faith without works is not faith. but we are saved by grace alone. this works and this faith cannot save us (no one can boast no one) If we are grateful in the grace both for us at Calvary we have faith that works. But we cannot save ourselves, Catholics don't understand this. Some, some protestants do. Most protestants have faith in faith. and most Catholics, try to save themselves.
@badpanda84 But the thief did do a good work... he defended Jesus against the disrespect thrown at Him from the guy on the third cross and professed his faith in Jesus (Luke23:39-43). But even it he didn't do a single visible "work", he'd still be saved because by grace he had faith and had he not died on that cross he would certainly have gone on to do good works and grow in sanctity.
If you have faith, you should have good works. When you accept christ you are "reborn" and you want to good works. Please tell me how praying to marry isn't worshiping her? And why would God choose Peter to be the first pope? He denied Christ 3 times. You worship statues, which it is said not to do. I have scripture to prove you wrong.
@SimplyAllMe Yes, and the logical extension of your statement is then, in that context, works are required for salvation.
Catholics worship/adore nothing but God almighty. We honor our elder siblings in Heaven, ask for their prayers, as I might ask you to pray for me. I am not worshiping you or Mary by asking for your or her prayers.
God chose whom He chose to be the first pope. That's His prerogative. You shouldn't argue with Him based on your misinterpretation of Scripture.
Faith without works means that a person has no faith. Salvation is started by belief than faith comes by trusting. Than a person will have actions to match - works of God. Works with out faith is just as false.If you don't trust God and don't believe that Jesus is your salvation, then your works are self motivated and don't have any salvation either. Works with out faith will not bring salvation either. So faith with works show salvation. One with out the other show not conversion to God.
@cburton103 Thanks you, I don't get the divisiveness of these statements when the teachings are so clear and concise. It is not one or the other but the process of becoming a Christian that is needed for understanding. We as Christians don't need these divisions and people need to stop preaching these divisions. Stop so that the world can see that we are all one in the Lord.
@MRGV7373 I do deeply desire unity for all of God's people. However, the departure from unity came in the form of Protestantism, so the only way to regain this unity is for all Christians to be unified again under the Church Christ built on Peter. It is up to each believer to give his life to the Lord and follow him on God's terms, not his own. Preaching the truth on the matter which Christians have believed for 2000 years is preaching unity - to preach faith alone is disunity. May God bless you
The real question would be, when was he saved, after he believed ( internal action), or after he professed his faith ( external expression of his faith) ?
@pixelspillover Protestants (in general, not necessarily all) and Catholics have a different understand of this. To most Protestants, being saved is an instantaneous act. To Catholics, salvation begins with justification (having a proper relationship with God) and continues with sanctification. The Bible presents salvation as a process that begins at one point and continues in time: (continued)
@pixelspillover If someone asks if you are saved, you should respond as the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5-8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9-10, 1 Cor. 3:12-15). Like the apostle Paul, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11-13). God bless.
what works did the criminal crucified next to Jesus have??? Yet Jesus told him he would be in paradise that very same day!!! It was his faith and not his works that saved him. Works is what follows faith. We ARE saved by works, but not our works, lest any man should boast. We are saved by HIS works.
@pixelspillover Good works are simply defined as anything we do to follow God's will. So, the Good Thief who was crucified next to Jesus first believed (which is indeed in conformity with God's will) and then professed his belief for all to hear. This is a good work because it pleases God. Do you agree?
But the head of your Church in Rome, knew about, covered up and protected child rapists! Last month ANOTHER Bishop was indicted by an American Court over these evil crimes.
@GaraGambini There is no evidence that the Pope covered up and protected child rapists. If you have such evidence, please spell it out. The sex scandal is indeed shameful, and no Catholic would deny that. However, what is never mentioned, is that while things were bad in the Catholic Church, they were even worse in the Protestant churches and, worst of all, are the public schools. That is not to in any way excuse even a single instance of this, but let's be consistent in our condemnations.
Firstly if you are putting child abuse on the same scale as public schools then you really need to examine your thinking. The Pope himself was indicted in 2005 by a US Court for his knowledge of the abuse of 3 US boys. The Bush administration granted him diplomatic immunity, FACT.
FACT: there are 5 Priests in the Vatican that are currently wanted by the US Government over child abuse, however the Vatican refuses to hand them over to face the process of law. SHAME
I think that if your faith is not fallowed by works then you really dont have faith. So then that goes back to you cant be saved without faith. Is really simple.
@xochiltanielka123 A Catholic would agree that faith is necessary for salvation. Catholics also believe in what Paul says in Romans 11:22, that we must "continue in his kindness. Otherwise, [we] also will be cut off". So, as this verse and many others show, our walk with the Lord begins with faith, but we must continue in God's kindness by following his commandments. Also, consider James 2:14-26 and Matthew 19 v. 16 and following to see that we must not stop with faith alone. May God bless you.
a helpful thing is to look at the writing style and context of James,give it a read without bias, you will see it is not not referring that you arnt saved by faith alone
@saleebyman How do you suggest that I read "Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" in context and get the exact opposite conclusion out of it?
"Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom" in james 4:9
u dont take him literally... you look at context
so James in chapter is addresing ppl hu say they have faith but dont have any works....and James is trying to express that without works your faith is dead or not existent
@saleebyman Yes, James is saying a faith without works is dead. James is also saying, "Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only". You didn't address this at all. You said how you think James isn't talking literally other places, but you didn't say why you don't think we should take him literally here. Please just look at the verse and give an honest answer.
this video is awesome! it is the truth as a former protsetant, i found the truth and my true home which we are all made for in our true Catholic Church, the oldest and first Christian Church established.
The whole concept of "faith alone" is the result of a ignorant society in medieval Europe, a extremely insecure and fearful Priest named Martin Luther who FEARED God and was VERY afraid of hell, a bad time in the Catholic church full of crap (I will admit the Catholic church has had BAD times) Martin Luther wanted so badly to be saved, and was SO insecure that he made his fantasy based on fear and insecurity a reality through the printing press and the CHANGING of the bible... Literally CHANGED
As I posted on previous video, the answer is that neither faith nor works really saves anyone. Christ has purchased our salvation already, taking on our penalty and allowing us to gain his righteousness. Faith is the means by which we accept that gift, repent, and commit to live for Him. Works are the proof that we have actually done that.
@Bubaloo37 "Works are the proof that we have actually done that." Please give me book, chapter, and verse that says works are the proof that one has faith, but have nothing at all to do with one's salvation? Question: Do we have to pick up our cross daily in order to follow Jesus...yes or no? If, "yes," then is that a work or not? Salvation is a process - we are saved by God's grace, but both faith and works are necessary responses to that grace. Faith, w/o works, is dead (James 2:26).
i paused it at the 50 second mark....at this point u hav misterpretted wat protestants say....the protestant view is we dont believe his SAID faith saves him...because we dont believe this person actually has faith in the first place....jus clarifying a protestants view point on that verse :)
@saleebyman What a rationalization for bad theology. Where does the Bible say that this man doesn't 'actually [have] faith in the first place?" Are you trying to say that a faith without works really isn't faith in the first place? Please give me book, chapter, and verse for that one...
well looking at context of james right, hes talking about the people who CLAIM to have faith, but these ppl h claim to have faith, dont show there faith by there works, so there faith is dead or non existent.
If you interpret it your way then your going against Paul, and i believe Paul and James dont contradict each other. Paul makes it very clear in Faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9, Rom. 3:28, romans 5.1, 1 tim 1.16, phil 3.9), but i believe works are an overflow of faith.
@CrimsonCatholic Not to start a war of words but I am Catholic and also think you may have misinterpreted the protestant understanding of that scripture. To answer your question I would like to add verse 18 -
"But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds."
This implies that faith must be proven true by deeds. It's not a question of having faith but a question of the quality of faith... is the faith true?
But doesn't stand to reason that, by virtue of the fact that Christ did works GREAT and small, that work has the greater virtue? We have to show our love for God and that means sacrifice. Sacrifice is work and work is rewarded.
You don't go to work and have faith that your boss will pay you if you do no work. He hopes you work and pays you when you do. If not, you're fired.
The Answer is that a christian will do good works without even knowing it, hence the book of Revelation were the sheep do not realize that they have helped the lord by helping people. Which means that the question is wrong, not the protestant answer. Also not all protestants are the same.
@meandeanmiler The question is wrong?! Really! It's a question that comes straight from the Bible (James 2:14) and you say it's "wrong." In Matt 25, not Revelation, the sheep don't realize they've helped the Lord, but they do realize they have done good works by helping the hungry, naked, etc. But, the whole point of Matt 25, is that if they had not done those good works, they would be headed off to Hell. So, instead of ducking and running, please answer the question...
Of course the answer is no... Protestant teaches that faith without works is not a faith at all. Is like you say that you have the will to study but u didn't study.. will you get a good grade? But at the same time good works without faith is not the way to the heaven.. If you say that good works can save a person then i ask you aren't that many non-christians who also do a lot of good deeds? well i would say that some of them even do more n greater deed than us.. So does that mean they r saved?
@anglefest You said, the "Protestant teaches that faith without works is not a faith at all." The Protestant might teach that, but the Bible doesn't. Check out video #1 in this series. Faith without works is still faith, but it's dead faith. Just as the body without the spirit is still a body, but it's a dead body.
@CrimsonCatholic if you look at the verse Only from one side many verse in the bible will be contradicting with one another.. we as a protestant should find the middle way within this verses.. its about the concept.. We need to get christian to get the concept right. We won't go to heaven if we do good deeds without faith, and neither will we go to heaven if we have the faith without good deeds. There's a reason why bible wrote both statement. The concept is if you have faith, good deeds is the
@anglefest don't miss the concept. You can do good deeds because u have faith. Good deeds without faith is meaningless. We must get the concept right. and faith without good deeds are dead faith just like what you say. So in other words faith and good deeds are one. Miss one of them and its meaningless.
@CrimsonCatholic So an atheist or Islamic Jihadist who feeds the poor will be saved according to your theology and gospel of works? Your job is to enlighten people. As God is our witness. Enlighten us about this gospel of works.
@abukid Don't assume what my theology teaches, since you are obviously ignorant of it. Answer my question first and then I will be more than happy to answer yours.
@abukid How would an atheist that rejects christianity be saved by christianity? Where are you arriving at these conclusions from? Certainly not Catholicism. And why are you attacking a faith that you apparently know nothing about? That is absurd.
Was Gandhi a Christian? Similar question, was a Samaritan a Christian in Jesus eyes, given they were of mixed religion. I say both were, and the priest most certainly was not.
Catholicism takes a lot of Roman religious beliefs when it comes to ceremony and things like that. Is "works" being applied to ceremony and things like a catholic mass, or is it being applied to good actions?
toeveryoneananswer......... Gods grace enables us to do His will, and when we are obedient and do his will their are eternal rewards that are attached to that. Not what we do on our own human strength, but what he gives us the grace to do. we still need to comply and be willing to receive his grace and do what he wants though. and yes, eternal life is part of that.
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@toeveryoneananswer Only faith in Christ can save a person (Ephesians 2:8-9). - Did it say only faith? Did Jesus say Love God and Love your Neighbor to receive Eternal Life?
Putting your faith in something else including your works will not save you. - AMEN! Whoever taught you need to put faith in works is really lost...
He is speaking not about being justified before God, but to himself. - James 2:14 was talking about a man that needs saving from himself??? it doesnt make sense at all..
@toeveryoneananswer If by “DEAD FAITH” you mean faith in something other than Christ then yes. -- Yes??? Faith in something other than Christ can save you?? What church do you go to again? What bible verse did you get that??
A faith alone in Christ alone is not dead faith. --- James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone... So you're saying that James was talking to men who have faith on other things other than God?
• Only faith in Christ can save a person (Ephesians 2:8-9). Putting your faith in something else including your works will not save you. James does not refute this in 2:24. He is speaking not about being justified before God, but to himself. James is concerned to show how a Christian knows he has real faith.
@toeveryoneananswer You quoted Ephesians 2:8-9 but ignored verse 10;For we are Gods workmanship,created in Christ Jesus to DO GOOD WORKS,which God prepared in advance for us to do.
and yes James does refute this;
. . .and he was called God's friend.You see that a person is justified by what he does and NOT BY FAITH ALONE' James 2:23-24
@toeveryoneananswer Yes, initially we are justified through our faith, that much is obvious. My question is why stop there? Why act as if the entire rest of the Bible does not exist? What is Jesus asked and what does he say directly when the subject of being saved is broached? "Keep the commandments".
What is said of the man who does not care for his family? He has renounced the faith and is worse than a non-believer! Is that man saved? He has faith but without works renounces the faith.
@dominicbarrios what is your point? when you die and God says " well done my good and faithful servant", what exactly is it that you have "done" that He is pleased with, if it takes nothing other than faith to please God?
@drbelitz Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and Love your Neighbor... Faith and Works working together through Love... not Faith alone...not works alone..
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life (1 John 5:11-13).
and many others throughout Acts. I think it's a matter of interpretation
@Guitarrhage "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who DOES the will of my Father..." Matt 7:21
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Phil 2:12
And many others throughout the New Testament.
You cannot give me a Scripture verse that I do not agree with. You can, however, give me your private, fallible interpretations of Scripture that I do not agree with.
@CrimsonCatholic Titus 3:5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..."
Rom. 4:4-5 "Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that works not but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
What works is Paul refering to without contradicting James?
@Guitarrhage he who eats my flesh and eats my blood has eternal life and i will raise him on the last day...he who does not has no life in him. john 6:54 and following verses.
I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, he has crossed over from death to life (John 5:24).
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9)
@Guitarrhage I believe both John 5:24 and Eph 2:8-10 100%! As a Catholic, I believe all of Scripture 100%!
Now, can you answer the question in the video, or not?
"For He will render unto every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, He will give ETERNAL LIFE." Rom 2:6-7
"What good deed must I do to have eternal life?...Keep the Commandments." Matt 19:16-17
You misunderstand what James is teaching. He is exhorting Christians to go beyond mere profession of faith to “demonstrating” that faith in his works. The works themselves have no atoning value in regards to salvation because Christ paid it in full. Colossians 2:13-14. If a man truly believes in Christ, good works will be shown. Those that just claim to believe but do not manifest works are not saved. Thats why its a dead faith.
@toeveryoneananswer Those that just claim to believe but do not manifest works are not saved. Thats why its a dead faith. -- Then you do need WORKS together with FAITH to say that you are saved... right? :)
@dominicbarrios Writes-“So can a DEAD FAITH save you? in other words, can Faith Alone save you?”
If by “DEAD FAITH” you mean faith in something other than Christ then yes. A faith alone in Christ alone is not dead faith. This faith will save. See Ephesians 2:8-9.
@CrimsonCatholic If a accept Jesus as my Saviour and become a "real" born-again christian, I will show the fruit of the Spirit of Gal 5. thus the works.
@Guitarrhage Where in the Bible does it say we have absolute assurance of our salvation? Does Paul not say in 1 Cor 4 not to judge before the coming of Christ? Plus, if works are a sign of our salvation, then do we not have to do works up until the day we die to know that we are indeed "really" saved? And, if we have to do works up until the day we die to know that we are "really" saved, then we can never be sure of our salvation until the day we die, can we?
@soccer21928 and if you dont mind me asking, how you you know you should follow the rcc? -- Check the history of the RCC church and the list of popes that lead the catholic church... It dates back from Peter (the first pope) upto Benedict XVI (the current pope)... (Matt 16:19)
Check how old the other churches are and their leaders... if they don't date back to any of the apostles of Christ, by whose authority are they teaching?
Who is the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth? (1 Tim 3:15)
Just because there is a list of popes back to Peter does not mean these men were the supreme leaders of the church. Take Peter. What encylical or mandate did he bind on the entire church? Where do we see Peter ruling the church from Rome itself?
@soccer21928 i would highly reccomend learning what sola fide actually is. - We do know what Sola Fide means and who started it... It surely wasn't taught in the bible.. agree?
we believe we are saved through faith alone, but not through a faith that is alone. -- Where in the bible did it say we are saved by faith alone? Kindly post the bible verse...
we are saved theough a living faith, not a dead faith, which bears no fruit. --- AMEN!! That's Faith and Works working together (James 2:22)
i would highly reccomend learning what sola fide actually is. we believe we are saved through faith alone, but not through a faith that is alone. we are saved theough a living faith, not a dead faith, which bears no fruit. and if you dont mind me asking, how you you know you should follow the rcc?
Here's a logical argument for you since you only use "logic" (which may have false assumptions from the outset) to interpret Scripture. If faith + works = real faith which justifies (which we don't believe, we think it = real faith which shows justification) then you're assuming that James is a Protestant who's arguing against Protestantism! That doesn't make any sense!
@solaphyde You are making absolutely no sense. I am not assuming James is a Protestant, and I have no idea how you get to that assumption. By the way, if my "logic" has false assumptions, then show them to be false. You do a great deal of talking around what I say, but not much actually answering what I say.
@silentknight3001 I've answered this already. Faith alone may still justify a person, but a dead faith wont justify a person. Also, like you've already admitted silentnight, and like James talks about in the context of James 2, it's about showing our faith (thus our real justification) to other men, NOT obtaining it from God. Just like in verse 18, professed faith can't be shown, but a faith with works can be shown.
@solaphyde Lol!!! No, really, LOL!!! "Faith alone may still justify a person, but a dead faith won't." Really! But, Scripture defines faith alone, faith without works, as being a dead faith (see James 2:17, 26). So, on the one hand you say faith alone justifies, but on the other hand you say a dead faith does not justify, yet the Bible defines faith alone as being a dead faith. The more you write the more you work yourself into a corner.
@CrimsonCatholic Yes a dead faith wont justify a person. Even demons believe and shudder. But James teaches how you "show" if your faith is alive or dead, not how you obtain justitication. Verse 18 says "show". Verse 22 says "you physically see" (bleppo), and verse 24 says "you notice", "you know", "make sure", etc (horate - indicative). Bible interpretations aren't ultimately determined by logical syllogisms, but context, context, context!
@solaphyde And, no, you have not yet answered my question. I will give you one more chance before banning you from this discussion, as I have no time to waste on people who refuse to dialogue in good faith. Question: If works are necessary for a complete faith (as the Bible tells us in James 2:22), and a complete faith is necessary for justification (as you have previously admitted), then are not works necessary for justification? It's simple logic Mr. Lol. Refute it or begone.
@CrimsonCatholic I've gone over this already. Ban me if you want, but you have to ultimately consult CONTEXT, not logic, since logic can carry with it false assumptions. We can answer your logic, but to we're supposed to interpret the context of James 2. Look at verse 21. James doesn't teach that faith + works = justification for Abraham in Gen 22, but that his future work (Gen 22) demonstrates his genuine distant past faith (Gen 15). So again, the context is about showing faith, v 18,22,24.
@solaphyde In other words, if you don't have any works to show your justifying faith, then you may be self-deceived and not really justified! That's the whole context. James NEVER says, faith is partially useful, now just add works like the Catholic assumes. James' example with Abraham doesn't match that since he refers to a distant past faith (when Abraham was justified through faith), and a distant future work! Thus, coincides with my interpretation.
@solaphyde Oh, so you might be self-deceived if you don't show your works, eh? I thought we were talking about justifying your faith to others, but now it's a question of having to justify your faith to yourself, is it? A little change of tune on your part. So, how many works over how many years do you have to do to justify your faith to yourself? And, how does justifying your faith to yourself fit in with all of this garbage you've spewed about other men physically seeing your works?
@CrimsonCatholic It's about justifying it to people, and since I am a person, I can help justify it to myself. We ourselves belong in the category of "people". That's why verse 18 says "show me your justification without works, and I'll show you my justification by my works". He doesn't say "you obtain it by faith, but I obtain it by faith and works". According to you then, James spews this out. And the other Catholic silentnight in there agreed with this point.
@solaphyde V. 18 is about challenging the notion of either faith or works - a very Protestant notion. Read the first few words of that verse. So, the demons are damned because they didn't show their works to people? Your attempts to CYA are getting laughable. So, a person really doesn't have to show their works to others, eh, only to themselves? So, your whole spiel about physically showing our works to other men's eyes was just smoke, then? The "other Catholic" was me, and no I didn't agree.
@CrimsonCatholic That's not what verse 18 says! To use your own argument, are you reading some weird Bible? We know that the demons are damned since they evidence they're not right with God. It's not BECAUSE they don't show it. Even Abraham wasn't damned when he didn't show it in Gen 16, but according to James he did show it in Gen 22. We must show our works to others, which will necessarily show it to ourselves. 2 Cor 13:5 "test yourselves to see if you're in the faith".
@solaphyde It is what V. 18 says!!! Regarding the demons, you are correct. The context is damnation vs. salvation, not showing your works before men or not showing your works before men. So, the whole argument of yours falls apart because the mention of the demons here shows that what is being talked about in James 2 is not the difference between showing your faith before men's eyes or not showing your faith before men's eyes, it's about salvation vs. damnation!!! You agree with me once more!
@CrimsonCatholic No, the reference to the demons isn't for them to show their faith by works, but to say that even correct theology doesn't show faith. Demons can't obtain justification by faith and works anyways since Jesus was the God-Man substitute, not the God-Demon substitute. Just like verse 24, it's not by faith only in this sense. Faith only doesn't show faith. Works show faith.
@solaphyde Where does it say anything about having "correct theology?!" Oh my gosh, you are totally making this up as you go along, aren't you? Does it say, "Even the demons have correct theology and shudder?" No!!!! It says, and please read it carefully, even the demons BELIEVE and shudder. James is saying that believing alone doesn't cut it. Faith, obtained by the grace of God, has to be completed by works, done by the grace of God, or one will not continue to abide in Christ.
@CrimsonCatholic That's the implication. You've implied that verse 18 says "you think you're justified by faith, but I am by faith and works". Was monotheism a unique theology to the Jews? This is why we can't just read the Bible, but must study it. He never says that demons believing is partially useful! 1. he never says that even about us, and 2. a demon can't be justified by faith + works! Jesus is only the God-Man substitute. Thus, works show justification. It's a possible interpretation.
@solaphyde I am consulting context. The context is shown by verse 14..."Can his faith save him?" It's not talking about justification in terms of showing something to men's eyes, rather about justification in terms of salvation. Verse 26 is talking about life - the analogy is between physical life and spiritual life, it is not about justifying your body before men's eyes. That's an absurd interpretation! Your fallible, non-authoritative, private interpretations lead to absolute lunacy!
@CrimsonCatholic No, verse 14 is clarified with the rest of the passage. Then I guess James was a lunatic to you then since he says in verse 18 that he going to show his faith by his works.
@solaphyde James was not a lunatic - do not put words in my mouth. James was simply making the point that works are a necessary addition to faith. Read v. 18, "Someone says, 'You have faith and I have works.;" James was replying to the Protestant notion of either-or: either faith or works. He gave the Catholic notion of both-and: both faith and works.
Now, tell me, v. 19 is about the demons being justified before men? Or is it about salvation vs. damnation? V. 26, is it about life or not?
@CrimsonCatholic I'm connecting the dots. You said my interpretation leads to lunacy. I'm interpreting James 2 in that we can show our faith by works. James says this in v.18. Lol, demons can't be justified! 1. They evidence they're not justified since they have hearts of stone (which is James' point), and 2. Jesus is the God-Man substitute, NOT the God-Demon substitute! Your argument there totally backfire because of this fact.
@solaphyde Sorry, but I am shaking the dust off of my sandals in regards to your bogus, although apparently infallible in your mind, private interpretations of James 2. And, sorry to be so rough on you, but, man, your logic and your scripture interpretations have been weighed, measured, and found wanting. If you hadn't been such a Balaam's ride with all of your condescending "Lol's," I might have been a bit less blunt. All you've done is shovel piles of Martin Luther here.
@CrimsonCatholic you're the one who posted this video, did so in a provocative way, and said to think about it. I'm only doing what you've asked and you resort to more name calling and ad-hominum remarks then I can count. "Horate" is infallibly indicative according to the Latin Vulgate. I've brought up the Vulgate, and you keep mentioning Luther, not me! You can't even say my interpretation is a possibility. Is that because you're "shoveling" sola Ecclesia?
@CrimsonCatholic Answer my question: If you say Paul says we're justified by "o nomos" in Rom 2, then why is it that Catholics agree we're not justified by "o nomos" in Rom 3????????????!!!!!!!!! Which is it?!
@solaphyde Where did I say that "o nomos" justifies in Rom 2, but not in Rom 3? Are you carrying on some imaginary conversation with someone?
Now, please disprove the "false assumptions" of the logic behind the question I have asked you over and over and over and over and over again, and which you still have not answered. Speak directly to the question, stop talking around it, dagnabit!
@CrimsonCatholic You said earlier that Rom 2:5-6 says we're justified by works, and only in verse 13 does it even use the word works which is "nomou" in the Greek. The very thing Catholics also say we're not justified by in Rom 3!!!!! Amazing infallibility.
@CrimsonCatholic "Now, please disprove the "false assumptions" of the logic behind the question I have asked you"
You have a false assumption because like I've already said, the context is showing if our faith is real. This is clear throughout the entire passage (v.18,22,24), especially with verse 18. Like I've said twice already, you can't say a demon believing is partially useful. Demons can't be justified.
@solaphyde "Answer my question: If you say Paul says we're justified by "o nomos" in Rom 2, then why is it that Catholics agree we're not justified by "o nomos" in Rom 3????????????!!!!!!!!! Which is it?!"
I'm still waiting for you to answer this please. Thank you.
@silentknight3001 Lol, silentnight, yes you are saying we need to keep the OT law to be saved since you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to say that Rom 3 is about how we're not saved by "o nomos", or the OT law, but when Rom 2:13 says we are justified by "o nomos" you want to say this is proof we are justified by the law. So ask you, which is it?
IF HE IS SAVED AND IN CHRIST, THEN THERE IS GOOD WORKS
Eph:2:10 For we are his workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ti: 3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Yes a Christian is full of good works, that’s how you can tell they are in Christ.
@hoffabrando You are a perfect example of why I named this series, "Questions Protestants Can't Answer." If a man has faith, but has not works, can his faith save him...yes or no?
Eph 2:10 If a man does not do the works that God ordained beforehand that he should walk in them, is he still saved...yes or no?
The washing of regeneration...that just happens to be Baptism, not accepting Jesus into your heart as your personal Lord and Savior, by the way.
When you talk of works Eph 2:10 If a man does not do the works that God ordained beforehand that he should walk in them, good works to gloryfy god then the anser is yes,If talking about works of righteousness what we do to help in our justification the answer is no. James is talking about a christen in name only not walking in the spirit, the Ro: 8:13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
@hoffabrando Sorry, but where does it say James is talking about those who are "Christian in name only?" In my Bible, it says James is addressing those who "hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ.'' Does that describe people who are "Christians in name only?" Look, why don't you admit that you have to interpret James the way you do because otherwise James, as it is written, simply destroys your theology.
@CrimsonCatholic THERE WERE CHRISTIANS IN NAME ONLY BACK IN THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES, PEACE I LEAVE WITH YOU
Ga:1:6: I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Ga:1:7: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.Ga:1:19: But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. PEACE
@hoffabrando So, if a man does not do the good works that God has prepared for him beforehand (Eph 2:10), you claim he is still saved. Yet, Matt 7:21 says that only those who DO the will of God will be saved. Is it God's will or not that we perform the works he has prepared for us beforehand that we SHOULD walk in them? Yes or no?
Ro:8:1: There is therefore now NO condemnation to them which are IN Christ Jesus, who walk NOTt after the flesh, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.
Ro:8:2: For the law of the SPIRIT OF LIFE IN Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro:8:3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: WALK IN THE SPIRIT, CHRIST IN YOU IS THE GOOD NEWS
@CrimsonCatholic Abraham didn't always do the works he should have, especially after recieving faith which justified him, according to James. He was justified in Gen 15 according to James, yet in Gen 16 committed adultery (a mortal sin according to the Catholic Church) yet proved his faith in Gen 22 many years later! So was Abraham still saved? YES! According to James!
@solaphyde Paul and James teach that real faith will work. Paul especially teaches that justification brings about works, since a heart of stone wont work for God, but a heart of flesh will and must. So if one needs a reason to do good works, do them because you're fully justified, since that person will necessarily have good works anyways!
@solaphyde Where does the Bible teach that good works "necessarily" flow from justification? Does a person lose their free and has to do good works once they've been justified? What about the branches (Christians) of the vine (Jesus Christ) that get cut off and thrown into the fire because they bore no fruit? Furthermore, view video #1 in this series. Is a dead body really a body? Is faith without works really faith? Indeed it is, but it is DEAD faith.
@solaphyde Your story about Abraham betrays your ignorance of Catholic moral teaching and apparently your lack of understanding of forgiveness. If Abraham had died in a state of mortal sin, he would not have been saved. Period! But, he did not die in a state of mortal sin. Answer the question: Does a man have to do the works that God prepared for him beforehand (Eph 2:10) in order to be saved? Yes or no?
@constantboo Lol, no in Rom 4 Paul speaks of "ergon" or general works not saving. In addition, even the Mosaic law which is referred to in Rom 2-3 encompasses every possible command in thought, word, deed, and intention since the sum of the law is to love God and others (Deut 6, Mat 22). This is why Rom 2:15-16 says even the Gentiles are required to uphold it, namely, the moral aspect of it! And 1 Clement 32:4 says we're not justified with works wrought in holiness of heart, but faith.
@solaphyde Lol, lol, lol...you are so smart I can't help but laugh. I feel so inferior to your gargantuan brain and your complete knowledge of all things scriptural. So, would you please explain to me, a poor stupid Catholic, where the Bible tells us that "ergon" means general works and not saving works? Are not the works of God, saving works? Are not the works of Christ, saving works? And, why does Rom 2:6-7 speak of works as leading to eternal life if they are not saving works?
@CrimsonCatholic I'm not extremely smart but I am smart enough to look up words in a Lexicon. Or is the Catholic church so infallible it gets to override Greek grammar and words?! Also, there is not infallible verse by verse exegeisis from the Megisterium. "Ergon" simply refers to doing labor or earning something, not the civil and ceremonial laws under the OT. Rom 2 talks about "o nomos" (the OT law), NOT "ergon"! So which is it that justifies? The OT law to you or ergon? Paul says neither.
Of course your response to God grace is essential, but the bible teachers that we are justified by what Jesus has done, and our job, works is to believe that, so we can receive the gift of the holy spirit, Christ is our hope, and our life, sanctification is dieing to self every day that the spirit that GOD gives you, Christ in you, can save you from your sins. Ro:8:10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
@hoffabrando essential or necessary? Unless I misunderstand, your response to God is not that of your own (free will). Faith gives you the ability to do good works ?
To part imputation our sins are imputed to him, his righteousness is imputed to us. This is why we are saved by what he did, Ro: 1:17: For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, the just shall live by faith. Ro:3:21: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, Ro:4:6: Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
James is not saying we need the merits of works but the presents of works, and what works is he talking about, it’s the fruit of the spirit. And what is that Ga: 5:22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, FAITH, James is saying that without the spirit of god, and the fruits (works) of the spirit of god in you, then you have a dead faith, and you are still in your sins,
@constantboo 2Th1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: Ro8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Ph’p2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. You always have free will, read Ro8:13 Ro 8:14 Ro:8:16 Re:2:11 Re 2:17 Re 3:5: Re:3:12: Re:3:21 Re 2:7: To him that overcomes
@constantboo 1Tm: 1:19: Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 1Pe: 3:21: but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Christ in you is our life. And if you are lead by the spirit, the spirit will impress you in your conscience right from wrong. Your free will is always there, your can be on the throne, but the children of god choose to be lead by the spirit and power of god. pt 2
@constantboo Joh: 12:32: And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
1Co: 2:2: For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Ro: 6:6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Free will is to except what Christ has done for us, and surrender you will to him,
Christians M't: 5:16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Very inportent, and if you are a Christian, you should feed the poor, and love your enemies, do good to them that hate you, M't: 16:27: For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. But if you are saying I need to keep the law to be saved your DEAD WRONG.
Ro: 3:28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the DEEDS OF THE LAW Ro: 3:30: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision BY FAITH, and uncircumcision through FAITH. Ga: 3:11: But that the LAW IN THE SIGHT OF GOD justifies no man, it is evident: for, the just shall LIVE BY FAITH.
Ga: 3:22: But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that BELIEVE.
The English translation of verse 14 says "can THAT faith save him" referring to a mere professed faith, or a dead faith (verse 17). It's not saying faith can't save someone, but a dead faith can't. If James were really a Roman Catholic he would have said "faith is partially useful, now you just need to add works", but instead says faith - works = dead faith, NOT dead justification.
@carriebrk Read Romans -wonderful illustration-says things like "Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as a debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness..." -- Amen! If you think that Catholics are "working" our way to heaven .. You have no idea of what the Catholics are teaching...
We believe in "Faith" and "works" (obedience, repentance, love etc.) working together to remain saved.
What works did the theif on the cross next to Jesus perform? Your argument was addressed by Paul in Romans 6 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! - if we believe Christ then we do what He says-that doesn't mean what we do is what saves us. That's why James says "I'll show you my faith by my works" It illustrates what He believes-but earns nothing.
@carriebrk well you tell me what works he did the bible doesnt say much about him. what does Christ say you know what he says in Matthew 25:33-46 dont ya gee why is it that we are only Judged on our works a the Last Judgment just toying with you want a good christian education on works let me know
@carriebrk What works did the theif on the cross next to Jesus perform? --
Luke 23:40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
The thief rebuked the other criminal, repented of his sins, humbled himself.... Isnt that works enough for you? Of course, Faith was also working with those works...
@dominicbarrios - Faith is not a "work"-faith-like salvation-is a gift of God-Eph 2:8-For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." Read Romans -wonderful illustration-says things like "Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as a debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness..."
@carriebrk Faith is not a "work"-faith-like salvation-is a gift of God-Eph 2:8-For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." --
Do tell me if God controlled you to believe in Him... We were all given the Free will. And I do agree that faith, like grace is a gift, you have always a "choice" to believe or not to believe in Christ.
2nd, aside from Faith, the thief rebuked , repented & humbled himself
@dominicbarrios -Romans 10:30-32 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attatined to righteousness, even the righteeousness of faith;but Isreal, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, and whoever believes..."
Just who chose the Books contained in the Bible again how do you know the authors are the authors you have to rely On the Catholic apostolic tradition for that one ROFL The? Bible is "authoritative" and "infallible" and "binding on all Christians" By the way who came up with the word bible again
I don't think the Pope or the Papacy are godly men. They might have been hundreds of years ago, or at some point or another I'm sure there have been good ones, but on the whole they have created a corrupt system.
if there be no vital change, no inward godliness; if there be no love to God, no prayer, no work of the Holy Spirit, then thy saying “I am saved” is but thine own assertion, and it may delude, but it will not deliver thee. —
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faith without works is not faith. but we are saved by grace alone. this works and this faith cannot save us (no one can boast no one) If we are grateful in the grace both for us at Calvary we have faith that works. But we cannot save ourselves, Catholics don't understand this. Some, some protestants do. Most protestants have faith in faith. and most Catholics, try to save themselves.
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1 Corinthians 3 12-14 has the answer..
But the theif on the cross had faith and he didnt do any good works -- yet he still got into heaven
badpanda84 4 weeks ago
@badpanda84 But the thief did do a good work... he defended Jesus against the disrespect thrown at Him from the guy on the third cross and professed his faith in Jesus (Luke23:39-43). But even it he didn't do a single visible "work", he'd still be saved because by grace he had faith and had he not died on that cross he would certainly have gone on to do good works and grow in sanctity.
AmericanBerean 3 weeks ago
If you have faith, you should have good works. When you accept christ you are "reborn" and you want to good works. Please tell me how praying to marry isn't worshiping her? And why would God choose Peter to be the first pope? He denied Christ 3 times. You worship statues, which it is said not to do. I have scripture to prove you wrong.
SimplyAllMe 1 month ago
@SimplyAllMe Yes, and the logical extension of your statement is then, in that context, works are required for salvation.
Catholics worship/adore nothing but God almighty. We honor our elder siblings in Heaven, ask for their prayers, as I might ask you to pray for me. I am not worshiping you or Mary by asking for your or her prayers.
God chose whom He chose to be the first pope. That's His prerogative. You shouldn't argue with Him based on your misinterpretation of Scripture.
AmericanBerean 3 weeks ago
Faith without works means that a person has no faith. Salvation is started by belief than faith comes by trusting. Than a person will have actions to match - works of God. Works with out faith is just as false.If you don't trust God and don't believe that Jesus is your salvation, then your works are self motivated and don't have any salvation either. Works with out faith will not bring salvation either. So faith with works show salvation. One with out the other show not conversion to God.
MRGV7373 2 months ago
@MRGV7373 Amen, the two are intimately intertwined. In reality, they can't be separated.
cburton103 2 months ago
@cburton103 Thanks you, I don't get the divisiveness of these statements when the teachings are so clear and concise. It is not one or the other but the process of becoming a Christian that is needed for understanding. We as Christians don't need these divisions and people need to stop preaching these divisions. Stop so that the world can see that we are all one in the Lord.
MRGV7373 2 months ago
@MRGV7373 I do deeply desire unity for all of God's people. However, the departure from unity came in the form of Protestantism, so the only way to regain this unity is for all Christians to be unified again under the Church Christ built on Peter. It is up to each believer to give his life to the Lord and follow him on God's terms, not his own. Preaching the truth on the matter which Christians have believed for 2000 years is preaching unity - to preach faith alone is disunity. May God bless you
cburton103 2 months ago
I agree. Works is what follllows faith.
The real question would be, when was he saved, after he believed ( internal action), or after he professed his faith ( external expression of his faith) ?
pixelspillover 3 months ago
@pixelspillover Protestants (in general, not necessarily all) and Catholics have a different understand of this. To most Protestants, being saved is an instantaneous act. To Catholics, salvation begins with justification (having a proper relationship with God) and continues with sanctification. The Bible presents salvation as a process that begins at one point and continues in time: (continued)
cburton103 2 months ago
@pixelspillover If someone asks if you are saved, you should respond as the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5-8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9-10, 1 Cor. 3:12-15). Like the apostle Paul, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11-13). God bless.
cburton103 2 months ago
what works did the criminal crucified next to Jesus have??? Yet Jesus told him he would be in paradise that very same day!!! It was his faith and not his works that saved him. Works is what follows faith. We ARE saved by works, but not our works, lest any man should boast. We are saved by HIS works.
pixelspillover 3 months ago
@pixelspillover Good works are simply defined as anything we do to follow God's will. So, the Good Thief who was crucified next to Jesus first believed (which is indeed in conformity with God's will) and then professed his belief for all to hear. This is a good work because it pleases God. Do you agree?
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But the head of your Church in Rome, knew about, covered up and protected child rapists! Last month ANOTHER Bishop was indicted by an American Court over these evil crimes.
Oh the shame!
GaraGambini 4 months ago
@GaraGambini There is no evidence that the Pope covered up and protected child rapists. If you have such evidence, please spell it out. The sex scandal is indeed shameful, and no Catholic would deny that. However, what is never mentioned, is that while things were bad in the Catholic Church, they were even worse in the Protestant churches and, worst of all, are the public schools. That is not to in any way excuse even a single instance of this, but let's be consistent in our condemnations.
CrimsonCatholic 4 months ago
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Firstly if you are putting child abuse on the same scale as public schools then you really need to examine your thinking. The Pope himself was indicted in 2005 by a US Court for his knowledge of the abuse of 3 US boys. The Bush administration granted him diplomatic immunity, FACT.
FACT: there are 5 Priests in the Vatican that are currently wanted by the US Government over child abuse, however the Vatican refuses to hand them over to face the process of law. SHAME
GaraGambini 4 months ago
I think that if your faith is not fallowed by works then you really dont have faith. So then that goes back to you cant be saved without faith. Is really simple.
xochiltanielka123 4 months ago
@xochiltanielka123 A Catholic would agree that faith is necessary for salvation. Catholics also believe in what Paul says in Romans 11:22, that we must "continue in his kindness. Otherwise, [we] also will be cut off". So, as this verse and many others show, our walk with the Lord begins with faith, but we must continue in God's kindness by following his commandments. Also, consider James 2:14-26 and Matthew 19 v. 16 and following to see that we must not stop with faith alone. May God bless you.
cburton103 3 months ago
@cburton103
a helpful thing is to look at the writing style and context of James,give it a read without bias, you will see it is not not referring that you arnt saved by faith alone
saleebyman 2 months ago
@saleebyman How do you suggest that I read "Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" in context and get the exact opposite conclusion out of it?
cburton103 2 months ago
@cburton103
same reason that when James writes
"Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom" in james 4:9
u dont take him literally... you look at context
so James in chapter is addresing ppl hu say they have faith but dont have any works....and James is trying to express that without works your faith is dead or not existent
saleebyman 2 months ago
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@saleebyman Yes, James is saying a faith without works is dead. James is also saying, "Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only". You didn't address this at all. You said how you think James isn't talking literally other places, but you didn't say why you don't think we should take him literally here. Please just look at the verse and give an honest answer.
cburton103 2 months ago
this video is awesome! it is the truth as a former protsetant, i found the truth and my true home which we are all made for in our true Catholic Church, the oldest and first Christian Church established.
jasmineflower05 5 months ago
The whole concept of "faith alone" is the result of a ignorant society in medieval Europe, a extremely insecure and fearful Priest named Martin Luther who FEARED God and was VERY afraid of hell, a bad time in the Catholic church full of crap (I will admit the Catholic church has had BAD times) Martin Luther wanted so badly to be saved, and was SO insecure that he made his fantasy based on fear and insecurity a reality through the printing press and the CHANGING of the bible... Literally CHANGED
ChamorruWarrior 5 months ago
As I posted on previous video, the answer is that neither faith nor works really saves anyone. Christ has purchased our salvation already, taking on our penalty and allowing us to gain his righteousness. Faith is the means by which we accept that gift, repent, and commit to live for Him. Works are the proof that we have actually done that.
Bubaloo37 5 months ago
@Bubaloo37 "Works are the proof that we have actually done that." Please give me book, chapter, and verse that says works are the proof that one has faith, but have nothing at all to do with one's salvation? Question: Do we have to pick up our cross daily in order to follow Jesus...yes or no? If, "yes," then is that a work or not? Salvation is a process - we are saved by God's grace, but both faith and works are necessary responses to that grace. Faith, w/o works, is dead (James 2:26).
CrimsonCatholic 5 months ago
The answer is yes (Romans 4:5) until this dispensation is over. You can't go to a book written to Jews to get Christian doctrine.
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
You have to go to a book written by the apostle of the Gentiles...like Romans.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
ChristianTruthHammer 6 months ago
i paused it at the 50 second mark....at this point u hav misterpretted wat protestants say....the protestant view is we dont believe his SAID faith saves him...because we dont believe this person actually has faith in the first place....jus clarifying a protestants view point on that verse :)
saleebyman 6 months ago
@saleebyman What a rationalization for bad theology. Where does the Bible say that this man doesn't 'actually [have] faith in the first place?" Are you trying to say that a faith without works really isn't faith in the first place? Please give me book, chapter, and verse for that one...
CrimsonCatholic 5 months ago
@CrimsonCatholic
well looking at context of james right, hes talking about the people who CLAIM to have faith, but these ppl h claim to have faith, dont show there faith by there works, so there faith is dead or non existent.
If you interpret it your way then your going against Paul, and i believe Paul and James dont contradict each other. Paul makes it very clear in Faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9, Rom. 3:28, romans 5.1, 1 tim 1.16, phil 3.9), but i believe works are an overflow of faith.
saleebyman 5 months ago
and sorry i didnt answer ur question, got a bit carried away there :p
we are assuming, they are talking about a faith claim
"What use is it, my brethren, if a man SAYS he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?"
if u were to take it as stand alone mayb id get ur opinion, but i think scripture interprets scripture
saleebyman 5 months ago
@CrimsonCatholic Not to start a war of words but I am Catholic and also think you may have misinterpreted the protestant understanding of that scripture. To answer your question I would like to add verse 18 -
"But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds."
This implies that faith must be proven true by deeds. It's not a question of having faith but a question of the quality of faith... is the faith true?
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But doesn't stand to reason that, by virtue of the fact that Christ did works GREAT and small, that work has the greater virtue? We have to show our love for God and that means sacrifice. Sacrifice is work and work is rewarded.
You don't go to work and have faith that your boss will pay you if you do no work. He hopes you work and pays you when you do. If not, you're fired.
missgreeneyes56 6 months ago
The Answer is that a christian will do good works without even knowing it, hence the book of Revelation were the sheep do not realize that they have helped the lord by helping people. Which means that the question is wrong, not the protestant answer. Also not all protestants are the same.
meandeanmiler 7 months ago
@meandeanmiler The question is wrong?! Really! It's a question that comes straight from the Bible (James 2:14) and you say it's "wrong." In Matt 25, not Revelation, the sheep don't realize they've helped the Lord, but they do realize they have done good works by helping the hungry, naked, etc. But, the whole point of Matt 25, is that if they had not done those good works, they would be headed off to Hell. So, instead of ducking and running, please answer the question...
CrimsonCatholic 7 months ago
Of course the answer is no... Protestant teaches that faith without works is not a faith at all. Is like you say that you have the will to study but u didn't study.. will you get a good grade? But at the same time good works without faith is not the way to the heaven.. If you say that good works can save a person then i ask you aren't that many non-christians who also do a lot of good deeds? well i would say that some of them even do more n greater deed than us.. So does that mean they r saved?
anglefest 8 months ago
@anglefest You said, the "Protestant teaches that faith without works is not a faith at all." The Protestant might teach that, but the Bible doesn't. Check out video #1 in this series. Faith without works is still faith, but it's dead faith. Just as the body without the spirit is still a body, but it's a dead body.
CrimsonCatholic 7 months ago
@CrimsonCatholic if you look at the verse Only from one side many verse in the bible will be contradicting with one another.. we as a protestant should find the middle way within this verses.. its about the concept.. We need to get christian to get the concept right. We won't go to heaven if we do good deeds without faith, and neither will we go to heaven if we have the faith without good deeds. There's a reason why bible wrote both statement. The concept is if you have faith, good deeds is the
anglefest 6 months ago
@anglefest don't miss the concept. You can do good deeds because u have faith. Good deeds without faith is meaningless. We must get the concept right. and faith without good deeds are dead faith just like what you say. So in other words faith and good deeds are one. Miss one of them and its meaningless.
anglefest 6 months ago
@CrimsonCatholic So an atheist or Islamic Jihadist who feeds the poor will be saved according to your theology and gospel of works? Your job is to enlighten people. As God is our witness. Enlighten us about this gospel of works.
abukid 8 months ago
@abukid Don't assume what my theology teaches, since you are obviously ignorant of it. Answer my question first and then I will be more than happy to answer yours.
CrimsonCatholic 8 months ago
@abukid How would an atheist that rejects christianity be saved by christianity? Where are you arriving at these conclusions from? Certainly not Catholicism. And why are you attacking a faith that you apparently know nothing about? That is absurd.
NotByBreadAlone77 8 months ago
Was Gandhi a Christian? Similar question, was a Samaritan a Christian in Jesus eyes, given they were of mixed religion. I say both were, and the priest most certainly was not.
RealJesusforAtheists 9 months ago
@RealJesusforAtheists Gandhi was a Hindu. The Samaritan was a Samaritan. Neither one of them was a Christian. Sorry.
CrimsonCatholic 9 months ago
To richamerican, Catholicism is True Christianity and to answer to your question; both.
cathomania 1 year ago
Catholicism takes a lot of Roman religious beliefs when it comes to ceremony and things like that. Is "works" being applied to ceremony and things like a catholic mass, or is it being applied to good actions?
richamerican 1 year ago
toeveryoneananswer......... Gods grace enables us to do His will, and when we are obedient and do his will their are eternal rewards that are attached to that. Not what we do on our own human strength, but what he gives us the grace to do. we still need to comply and be willing to receive his grace and do what he wants though. and yes, eternal life is part of that.
drbelitz 1 year ago
nice
nicaulchan 1 year ago
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Since this question is basically a parroting of your #1 question, I'll post my reply to it here.
If you have no faith, you're doomed.
If you have no works, your faith is wasted.
If not for the Grace of God, your faith and works, no matter how strong or numerous, would amount to nothing.
Is that too difficult a concept?
Curveball 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic i sent you a email, was it to hard for you to reply, peace
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando Sorry, but I get hundreds of emails daily and I simply do not have the time to reply to all of them.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic make time,
1Th:5:21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
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greenpatrick125 11 months ago
@CrimsonCatholic Is there a diiference between the works of the sinners/unbelievers and the works of the believers?
abukid 8 months ago
@abukid Answer the question first.
CrimsonCatholic 8 months ago
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@toeveryoneananswer Only faith in Christ can save a person (Ephesians 2:8-9). - Did it say only faith? Did Jesus say Love God and Love your Neighbor to receive Eternal Life?
Putting your faith in something else including your works will not save you. - AMEN! Whoever taught you need to put faith in works is really lost...
He is speaking not about being justified before God, but to himself. - James 2:14 was talking about a man that needs saving from himself??? it doesnt make sense at all..
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
@toeveryoneananswer If by “DEAD FAITH” you mean faith in something other than Christ then yes. -- Yes??? Faith in something other than Christ can save you?? What church do you go to again? What bible verse did you get that??
A faith alone in Christ alone is not dead faith. --- James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone... So you're saying that James was talking to men who have faith on other things other than God?
Faith without works is dead... James 2:17
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
@dominicbarrios
• Only faith in Christ can save a person (Ephesians 2:8-9). Putting your faith in something else including your works will not save you. James does not refute this in 2:24. He is speaking not about being justified before God, but to himself. James is concerned to show how a Christian knows he has real faith.
toeveryoneananswer 1 year ago
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dominicbarrios 1 year ago
@toeveryoneananswer You quoted Ephesians 2:8-9 but ignored verse 10;For we are Gods workmanship,created in Christ Jesus to DO GOOD WORKS,which God prepared in advance for us to do.
and yes James does refute this;
. . .and he was called God's friend.You see that a person is justified by what he does and NOT BY FAITH ALONE' James 2:23-24
yellowballpoets 1 year ago
@toeveryoneananswer Yes, initially we are justified through our faith, that much is obvious. My question is why stop there? Why act as if the entire rest of the Bible does not exist? What is Jesus asked and what does he say directly when the subject of being saved is broached? "Keep the commandments".
What is said of the man who does not care for his family? He has renounced the faith and is worse than a non-believer! Is that man saved? He has faith but without works renounces the faith.
NotByBreadAlone77 8 months ago
@toeveryoneananswer Works are the fruits of a living faith. --- Bible verse please? You do understand James 2:26 contradicts that already right?
Your works show you have faith. -- No! You and I both know that! There are atheists who can do good works but does not believe in God at all...
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
@dominicbarrios what is your point? when you die and God says " well done my good and faithful servant", what exactly is it that you have "done" that He is pleased with, if it takes nothing other than faith to please God?
drbelitz 1 year ago
@drbelitz Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and Love your Neighbor... Faith and Works working together through Love... not Faith alone...not works alone..
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life (1 John 5:11-13).
and many others throughout Acts. I think it's a matter of interpretation
Guitarrhage 1 year ago
@Guitarrhage "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who DOES the will of my Father..." Matt 7:21
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Phil 2:12
And many others throughout the New Testament.
You cannot give me a Scripture verse that I do not agree with. You can, however, give me your private, fallible interpretations of Scripture that I do not agree with.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@Guitarrhage No absolute assurance in this verse, either.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic So what kind of works are you talking about? Give me about 5 examples?
abukid 8 months ago
@abukid Works are works...things that we do. Answer the question.
CrimsonCatholic 8 months ago
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@CrimsonCatholic Titus 3:5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..."
Rom. 4:4-5 "Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that works not but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
What works is Paul refering to without contradicting James?
bulyabalive 7 months ago
@Guitarrhage he who eats my flesh and eats my blood has eternal life and i will raise him on the last day...he who does not has no life in him. john 6:54 and following verses.
drbelitz 1 year ago
I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, he has crossed over from death to life (John 5:24).
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Guitarrhage 1 year ago
@Guitarrhage I believe both John 5:24 and Eph 2:8-10 100%! As a Catholic, I believe all of Scripture 100%!
Now, can you answer the question in the video, or not?
"For He will render unto every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, He will give ETERNAL LIFE." Rom 2:6-7
"What good deed must I do to have eternal life?...Keep the Commandments." Matt 19:16-17
Both/and, dude...not either/or.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
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You misunderstand what James is teaching. He is exhorting Christians to go beyond mere profession of faith to “demonstrating” that faith in his works. The works themselves have no atoning value in regards to salvation because Christ paid it in full. Colossians 2:13-14. If a man truly believes in Christ, good works will be shown. Those that just claim to believe but do not manifest works are not saved. Thats why its a dead faith.
toeveryoneananswer 1 year ago
@toeveryoneananswer that's it , I totally agree,
think RC misinterpreted these verses
Guitarrhage 1 year ago
@toeveryoneananswer Those that just claim to believe but do not manifest works are not saved. Thats why its a dead faith. -- Then you do need WORKS together with FAITH to say that you are saved... right? :)
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
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Works are the fruits of a living faith. Your works show you have faith. If you have no works, then your faith is dead no matter what you say.
toeveryoneananswer 1 year ago
@toeveryoneananswer So can a DEAD FAITH save you? in other words, can Faith Alone save you?
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
@dominicbarrios Writes-“So can a DEAD FAITH save you? in other words, can Faith Alone save you?”
If by “DEAD FAITH” you mean faith in something other than Christ then yes. A faith alone in Christ alone is not dead faith. This faith will save. See Ephesians 2:8-9.
toeveryoneananswer 1 year ago
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I just wanted to thank Jesus for the promises He gave us. Just a few verses.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16)
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him (John 3:36).
Guitarrhage 1 year ago
but thank God for Ephesians 2:8. Works come as a result of our salvation
If a "christian" shows no works or his life doesn't reflect the new nature of a born-again man then he is not safe.
Guitarrhage 1 year ago
@Guitarrhage Where in Eph 2:8, or 2:9, or 2:10 does it say, "Works come as a result of our salvation?"
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
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Guitarrhage 1 year ago
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@CrimsonCatholic If a accept Jesus as my Saviour and become a "real" born-again christian, I will show the fruit of the Spirit of Gal 5. thus the works.
again I think it's just different interpretations
Guitarrhage 1 year ago
if salvation is by faith and works then we could never be sure of it.
Guitarrhage 1 year ago
@Guitarrhage Where in the Bible does it say we have absolute assurance of our salvation? Does Paul not say in 1 Cor 4 not to judge before the coming of Christ? Plus, if works are a sign of our salvation, then do we not have to do works up until the day we die to know that we are indeed "really" saved? And, if we have to do works up until the day we die to know that we are "really" saved, then we can never be sure of our salvation until the day we die, can we?
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@soccer21928 and if you dont mind me asking, how you you know you should follow the rcc? -- Check the history of the RCC church and the list of popes that lead the catholic church... It dates back from Peter (the first pope) upto Benedict XVI (the current pope)... (Matt 16:19)
Check how old the other churches are and their leaders... if they don't date back to any of the apostles of Christ, by whose authority are they teaching?
Who is the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth? (1 Tim 3:15)
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
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Just because there is a list of popes back to Peter does not mean these men were the supreme leaders of the church. Take Peter. What encylical or mandate did he bind on the entire church? Where do we see Peter ruling the church from Rome itself?
toeveryoneananswer 1 year ago
@soccer21928 i would highly reccomend learning what sola fide actually is. - We do know what Sola Fide means and who started it... It surely wasn't taught in the bible.. agree?
we believe we are saved through faith alone, but not through a faith that is alone. -- Where in the bible did it say we are saved by faith alone? Kindly post the bible verse...
we are saved theough a living faith, not a dead faith, which bears no fruit. --- AMEN!! That's Faith and Works working together (James 2:22)
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
i would highly reccomend learning what sola fide actually is. we believe we are saved through faith alone, but not through a faith that is alone. we are saved theough a living faith, not a dead faith, which bears no fruit. and if you dont mind me asking, how you you know you should follow the rcc?
soccer21928 1 year ago
Here's a logical argument for you since you only use "logic" (which may have false assumptions from the outset) to interpret Scripture. If faith + works = real faith which justifies (which we don't believe, we think it = real faith which shows justification) then you're assuming that James is a Protestant who's arguing against Protestantism! That doesn't make any sense!
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde You are making absolutely no sense. I am not assuming James is a Protestant, and I have no idea how you get to that assumption. By the way, if my "logic" has false assumptions, then show them to be false. You do a great deal of talking around what I say, but not much actually answering what I say.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@silentknight3001 I've answered this already. Faith alone may still justify a person, but a dead faith wont justify a person. Also, like you've already admitted silentnight, and like James talks about in the context of James 2, it's about showing our faith (thus our real justification) to other men, NOT obtaining it from God. Just like in verse 18, professed faith can't be shown, but a faith with works can be shown.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Lol!!! No, really, LOL!!! "Faith alone may still justify a person, but a dead faith won't." Really! But, Scripture defines faith alone, faith without works, as being a dead faith (see James 2:17, 26). So, on the one hand you say faith alone justifies, but on the other hand you say a dead faith does not justify, yet the Bible defines faith alone as being a dead faith. The more you write the more you work yourself into a corner.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic Yes a dead faith wont justify a person. Even demons believe and shudder. But James teaches how you "show" if your faith is alive or dead, not how you obtain justitication. Verse 18 says "show". Verse 22 says "you physically see" (bleppo), and verse 24 says "you notice", "you know", "make sure", etc (horate - indicative). Bible interpretations aren't ultimately determined by logical syllogisms, but context, context, context!
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde And, no, you have not yet answered my question. I will give you one more chance before banning you from this discussion, as I have no time to waste on people who refuse to dialogue in good faith. Question: If works are necessary for a complete faith (as the Bible tells us in James 2:22), and a complete faith is necessary for justification (as you have previously admitted), then are not works necessary for justification? It's simple logic Mr. Lol. Refute it or begone.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic I've gone over this already. Ban me if you want, but you have to ultimately consult CONTEXT, not logic, since logic can carry with it false assumptions. We can answer your logic, but to we're supposed to interpret the context of James 2. Look at verse 21. James doesn't teach that faith + works = justification for Abraham in Gen 22, but that his future work (Gen 22) demonstrates his genuine distant past faith (Gen 15). So again, the context is about showing faith, v 18,22,24.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde In other words, if you don't have any works to show your justifying faith, then you may be self-deceived and not really justified! That's the whole context. James NEVER says, faith is partially useful, now just add works like the Catholic assumes. James' example with Abraham doesn't match that since he refers to a distant past faith (when Abraham was justified through faith), and a distant future work! Thus, coincides with my interpretation.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Oh, so you might be self-deceived if you don't show your works, eh? I thought we were talking about justifying your faith to others, but now it's a question of having to justify your faith to yourself, is it? A little change of tune on your part. So, how many works over how many years do you have to do to justify your faith to yourself? And, how does justifying your faith to yourself fit in with all of this garbage you've spewed about other men physically seeing your works?
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic It's about justifying it to people, and since I am a person, I can help justify it to myself. We ourselves belong in the category of "people". That's why verse 18 says "show me your justification without works, and I'll show you my justification by my works". He doesn't say "you obtain it by faith, but I obtain it by faith and works". According to you then, James spews this out. And the other Catholic silentnight in there agreed with this point.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde V. 18 is about challenging the notion of either faith or works - a very Protestant notion. Read the first few words of that verse. So, the demons are damned because they didn't show their works to people? Your attempts to CYA are getting laughable. So, a person really doesn't have to show their works to others, eh, only to themselves? So, your whole spiel about physically showing our works to other men's eyes was just smoke, then? The "other Catholic" was me, and no I didn't agree.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic That's not what verse 18 says! To use your own argument, are you reading some weird Bible? We know that the demons are damned since they evidence they're not right with God. It's not BECAUSE they don't show it. Even Abraham wasn't damned when he didn't show it in Gen 16, but according to James he did show it in Gen 22. We must show our works to others, which will necessarily show it to ourselves. 2 Cor 13:5 "test yourselves to see if you're in the faith".
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde It is what V. 18 says!!! Regarding the demons, you are correct. The context is damnation vs. salvation, not showing your works before men or not showing your works before men. So, the whole argument of yours falls apart because the mention of the demons here shows that what is being talked about in James 2 is not the difference between showing your faith before men's eyes or not showing your faith before men's eyes, it's about salvation vs. damnation!!! You agree with me once more!
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic No, the reference to the demons isn't for them to show their faith by works, but to say that even correct theology doesn't show faith. Demons can't obtain justification by faith and works anyways since Jesus was the God-Man substitute, not the God-Demon substitute. Just like verse 24, it's not by faith only in this sense. Faith only doesn't show faith. Works show faith.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Where does it say anything about having "correct theology?!" Oh my gosh, you are totally making this up as you go along, aren't you? Does it say, "Even the demons have correct theology and shudder?" No!!!! It says, and please read it carefully, even the demons BELIEVE and shudder. James is saying that believing alone doesn't cut it. Faith, obtained by the grace of God, has to be completed by works, done by the grace of God, or one will not continue to abide in Christ.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic That's the implication. You've implied that verse 18 says "you think you're justified by faith, but I am by faith and works". Was monotheism a unique theology to the Jews? This is why we can't just read the Bible, but must study it. He never says that demons believing is partially useful! 1. he never says that even about us, and 2. a demon can't be justified by faith + works! Jesus is only the God-Man substitute. Thus, works show justification. It's a possible interpretation.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde I am consulting context. The context is shown by verse 14..."Can his faith save him?" It's not talking about justification in terms of showing something to men's eyes, rather about justification in terms of salvation. Verse 26 is talking about life - the analogy is between physical life and spiritual life, it is not about justifying your body before men's eyes. That's an absurd interpretation! Your fallible, non-authoritative, private interpretations lead to absolute lunacy!
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic No, verse 14 is clarified with the rest of the passage. Then I guess James was a lunatic to you then since he says in verse 18 that he going to show his faith by his works.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde James was not a lunatic - do not put words in my mouth. James was simply making the point that works are a necessary addition to faith. Read v. 18, "Someone says, 'You have faith and I have works.;" James was replying to the Protestant notion of either-or: either faith or works. He gave the Catholic notion of both-and: both faith and works.
Now, tell me, v. 19 is about the demons being justified before men? Or is it about salvation vs. damnation? V. 26, is it about life or not?
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic I'm connecting the dots. You said my interpretation leads to lunacy. I'm interpreting James 2 in that we can show our faith by works. James says this in v.18. Lol, demons can't be justified! 1. They evidence they're not justified since they have hearts of stone (which is James' point), and 2. Jesus is the God-Man substitute, NOT the God-Demon substitute! Your argument there totally backfire because of this fact.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Sorry, but I am shaking the dust off of my sandals in regards to your bogus, although apparently infallible in your mind, private interpretations of James 2. And, sorry to be so rough on you, but, man, your logic and your scripture interpretations have been weighed, measured, and found wanting. If you hadn't been such a Balaam's ride with all of your condescending "Lol's," I might have been a bit less blunt. All you've done is shovel piles of Martin Luther here.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic you're the one who posted this video, did so in a provocative way, and said to think about it. I'm only doing what you've asked and you resort to more name calling and ad-hominum remarks then I can count. "Horate" is infallibly indicative according to the Latin Vulgate. I've brought up the Vulgate, and you keep mentioning Luther, not me! You can't even say my interpretation is a possibility. Is that because you're "shoveling" sola Ecclesia?
solaphyde 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic Answer my question: If you say Paul says we're justified by "o nomos" in Rom 2, then why is it that Catholics agree we're not justified by "o nomos" in Rom 3????????????!!!!!!!!! Which is it?!
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Where did I say that "o nomos" justifies in Rom 2, but not in Rom 3? Are you carrying on some imaginary conversation with someone?
Now, please disprove the "false assumptions" of the logic behind the question I have asked you over and over and over and over and over again, and which you still have not answered. Speak directly to the question, stop talking around it, dagnabit!
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic You said earlier that Rom 2:5-6 says we're justified by works, and only in verse 13 does it even use the word works which is "nomou" in the Greek. The very thing Catholics also say we're not justified by in Rom 3!!!!! Amazing infallibility.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic "Now, please disprove the "false assumptions" of the logic behind the question I have asked you"
You have a false assumption because like I've already said, the context is showing if our faith is real. This is clear throughout the entire passage (v.18,22,24), especially with verse 18. Like I've said twice already, you can't say a demon believing is partially useful. Demons can't be justified.
solaphyde 1 year ago
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@solaphyde "Answer my question: If you say Paul says we're justified by "o nomos" in Rom 2, then why is it that Catholics agree we're not justified by "o nomos" in Rom 3????????????!!!!!!!!! Which is it?!"
I'm still waiting for you to answer this please. Thank you.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@silentknight3001 Lol, silentnight, yes you are saying we need to keep the OT law to be saved since you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to say that Rom 3 is about how we're not saved by "o nomos", or the OT law, but when Rom 2:13 says we are justified by "o nomos" you want to say this is proof we are justified by the law. So ask you, which is it?
solaphyde 1 year ago
@silentknight3001
IF HE IS SAVED AND IN CHRIST, THEN THERE IS GOOD WORKS
Eph:2:10 For we are his workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ti: 3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Yes a Christian is full of good works, that’s how you can tell they are in Christ.
Not by works of righteousness
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando You are a perfect example of why I named this series, "Questions Protestants Can't Answer." If a man has faith, but has not works, can his faith save him...yes or no?
Eph 2:10 If a man does not do the works that God ordained beforehand that he should walk in them, is he still saved...yes or no?
The washing of regeneration...that just happens to be Baptism, not accepting Jesus into your heart as your personal Lord and Savior, by the way.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic
When you talk of works Eph 2:10 If a man does not do the works that God ordained beforehand that he should walk in them, good works to gloryfy god then the anser is yes,If talking about works of righteousness what we do to help in our justification the answer is no. James is talking about a christen in name only not walking in the spirit, the Ro: 8:13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando Sorry, but where does it say James is talking about those who are "Christian in name only?" In my Bible, it says James is addressing those who "hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ.'' Does that describe people who are "Christians in name only?" Look, why don't you admit that you have to interpret James the way you do because otherwise James, as it is written, simply destroys your theology.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic THERE WERE CHRISTIANS IN NAME ONLY BACK IN THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES, PEACE I LEAVE WITH YOU
Ga:1:6: I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Ga:1:7: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.Ga:1:19: But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. PEACE
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando So, if a man does not do the good works that God has prepared for him beforehand (Eph 2:10), you claim he is still saved. Yet, Matt 7:21 says that only those who DO the will of God will be saved. Is it God's will or not that we perform the works he has prepared for us beforehand that we SHOULD walk in them? Yes or no?
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic PEACE
Ro:8:1: There is therefore now NO condemnation to them which are IN Christ Jesus, who walk NOTt after the flesh, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.
Ro:8:2: For the law of the SPIRIT OF LIFE IN Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro:8:3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: WALK IN THE SPIRIT, CHRIST IN YOU IS THE GOOD NEWS
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic Abraham didn't always do the works he should have, especially after recieving faith which justified him, according to James. He was justified in Gen 15 according to James, yet in Gen 16 committed adultery (a mortal sin according to the Catholic Church) yet proved his faith in Gen 22 many years later! So was Abraham still saved? YES! According to James!
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Paul and James teach that real faith will work. Paul especially teaches that justification brings about works, since a heart of stone wont work for God, but a heart of flesh will and must. So if one needs a reason to do good works, do them because you're fully justified, since that person will necessarily have good works anyways!
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Where does the Bible teach that good works "necessarily" flow from justification? Does a person lose their free and has to do good works once they've been justified? What about the branches (Christians) of the vine (Jesus Christ) that get cut off and thrown into the fire because they bore no fruit? Furthermore, view video #1 in this series. Is a dead body really a body? Is faith without works really faith? Indeed it is, but it is DEAD faith.
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@solaphyde Your story about Abraham betrays your ignorance of Catholic moral teaching and apparently your lack of understanding of forgiveness. If Abraham had died in a state of mortal sin, he would not have been saved. Period! But, he did not die in a state of mortal sin. Answer the question: Does a man have to do the works that God prepared for him beforehand (Eph 2:10) in order to be saved? Yes or no?
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@silentknight3001 Can't answer for the reasons the gentleman who made the video said.
It’s actually quite simple, if you do not do works you have no faith,,,its dead.
Paul, a observant Jew speaks of works of the law, Not works of love and charity, As scripture states the virtue of love is greater than faith.
Can anyone show me anywhere outside of the Bible where ANY Christian before the 1500's taught faith without works can justify you?
constantboo 1 year ago
@constantboo Lol, no in Rom 4 Paul speaks of "ergon" or general works not saving. In addition, even the Mosaic law which is referred to in Rom 2-3 encompasses every possible command in thought, word, deed, and intention since the sum of the law is to love God and others (Deut 6, Mat 22). This is why Rom 2:15-16 says even the Gentiles are required to uphold it, namely, the moral aspect of it! And 1 Clement 32:4 says we're not justified with works wrought in holiness of heart, but faith.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@solaphyde Lol, lol, lol...you are so smart I can't help but laugh. I feel so inferior to your gargantuan brain and your complete knowledge of all things scriptural. So, would you please explain to me, a poor stupid Catholic, where the Bible tells us that "ergon" means general works and not saving works? Are not the works of God, saving works? Are not the works of Christ, saving works? And, why does Rom 2:6-7 speak of works as leading to eternal life if they are not saving works?
CrimsonCatholic 1 year ago
@CrimsonCatholic I'm not extremely smart but I am smart enough to look up words in a Lexicon. Or is the Catholic church so infallible it gets to override Greek grammar and words?! Also, there is not infallible verse by verse exegeisis from the Megisterium. "Ergon" simply refers to doing labor or earning something, not the civil and ceremonial laws under the OT. Rom 2 talks about "o nomos" (the OT law), NOT "ergon"! So which is it that justifies? The OT law to you or ergon? Paul says neither.
solaphyde 1 year ago
@constantboo
Of course your response to God grace is essential, but the bible teachers that we are justified by what Jesus has done, and our job, works is to believe that, so we can receive the gift of the holy spirit, Christ is our hope, and our life, sanctification is dieing to self every day that the spirit that GOD gives you, Christ in you, can save you from your sins. Ro:8:10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando essential or necessary? Unless I misunderstand, your response to God is not that of your own (free will). Faith gives you the ability to do good works ?
constantboo 1 year ago
@constantboo
To part imputation our sins are imputed to him, his righteousness is imputed to us. This is why we are saved by what he did, Ro: 1:17: For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, the just shall live by faith. Ro:3:21: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, Ro:4:6: Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@constantboo
James is not saying we need the merits of works but the presents of works, and what works is he talking about, it’s the fruit of the spirit. And what is that Ga: 5:22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, FAITH, James is saying that without the spirit of god, and the fruits (works) of the spirit of god in you, then you have a dead faith, and you are still in your sins,
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando So you are saying that the presence of works is required to be justified but they are not of your own free will?
constantboo 1 year ago
@constantboo 2Th1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: Ro8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Ph’p2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. You always have free will, read Ro8:13 Ro 8:14 Ro:8:16 Re:2:11 Re 2:17 Re 3:5: Re:3:12: Re:3:21 Re 2:7: To him that overcomes
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@constantboo 1Tm: 1:19: Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 1Pe: 3:21: but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Christ in you is our life. And if you are lead by the spirit, the spirit will impress you in your conscience right from wrong. Your free will is always there, your can be on the throne, but the children of god choose to be lead by the spirit and power of god. pt 2
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@constantboo Joh: 12:32: And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
1Co: 2:2: For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Ro: 6:6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Free will is to except what Christ has done for us, and surrender you will to him,
eternal life only in christ.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
Christians M't: 5:16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Very inportent, and if you are a Christian, you should feed the poor, and love your enemies, do good to them that hate you, M't: 16:27: For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. But if you are saying I need to keep the law to be saved your DEAD WRONG.
PT1
hoffabrando 1 year ago
Ro: 3:28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the DEEDS OF THE LAW Ro: 3:30: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision BY FAITH, and uncircumcision through FAITH. Ga: 3:11: But that the LAW IN THE SIGHT OF GOD justifies no man, it is evident: for, the just shall LIVE BY FAITH.
Ga: 3:22: But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that BELIEVE.
PT2
hoffabrando 1 year ago
The English translation of verse 14 says "can THAT faith save him" referring to a mere professed faith, or a dead faith (verse 17). It's not saying faith can't save someone, but a dead faith can't. If James were really a Roman Catholic he would have said "faith is partially useful, now you just need to add works", but instead says faith - works = dead faith, NOT dead justification.
solaphyde 1 year ago
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@carriebrk Read Romans -wonderful illustration-says things like "Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as a debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness..." -- Amen! If you think that Catholics are "working" our way to heaven .. You have no idea of what the Catholics are teaching...
We believe in "Faith" and "works" (obedience, repentance, love etc.) working together to remain saved.
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
What works did the theif on the cross next to Jesus perform? Your argument was addressed by Paul in Romans 6 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! - if we believe Christ then we do what He says-that doesn't mean what we do is what saves us. That's why James says "I'll show you my faith by my works" It illustrates what He believes-but earns nothing.
carriebrk 1 year ago
@carriebrk well you tell me what works he did the bible doesnt say much about him. what does Christ say you know what he says in Matthew 25:33-46 dont ya gee why is it that we are only Judged on our works a the Last Judgment just toying with you want a good christian education on works let me know
martlut 1 year ago
@carriebrk What works did the theif on the cross next to Jesus perform? --
Luke 23:40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
The thief rebuked the other criminal, repented of his sins, humbled himself.... Isnt that works enough for you? Of course, Faith was also working with those works...
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
@dominicbarrios - Faith is not a "work"-faith-like salvation-is a gift of God-Eph 2:8-For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." Read Romans -wonderful illustration-says things like "Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as a debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness..."
carriebrk 1 year ago
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@carriebrk Faith is not a "work"-faith-like salvation-is a gift of God-Eph 2:8-For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." --
Do tell me if God controlled you to believe in Him... We were all given the Free will. And I do agree that faith, like grace is a gift, you have always a "choice" to believe or not to believe in Christ.
2nd, aside from Faith, the thief rebuked , repented & humbled himself
dominicbarrios 1 year ago
@dominicbarrios -Romans 10:30-32 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attatined to righteousness, even the righteeousness of faith;but Isreal, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, and whoever believes..."
carriebrk 1 year ago
Just who chose the Books contained in the Bible again how do you know the authors are the authors you have to rely On the Catholic apostolic tradition for that one ROFL The? Bible is "authoritative" and "infallible" and "binding on all Christians" By the way who came up with the word bible again
martlut 1 year ago
absurd statement preaching Christ is ungodly
I don't think the Pope or the Papacy are godly men. They might have been hundreds of years ago, or at some point or another I'm sure there have been good ones, but on the whole they have created a corrupt system.
martlut 1 year ago
Charles H. Spurgeon says:
if there be no vital change, no inward godliness; if there be no love to God, no prayer, no work of the Holy Spirit, then thy saying “I am saved” is but thine own assertion, and it may delude, but it will not deliver thee. —
martlut 1 year ago