HITCHENS WAS AN ELITE DEBATER FOR TRUTH AND HUMANITY. HE WORE AN IMPENETRABLE METAPHORIC ARMOR OF INTELLECT, LINGUISTIC PROWESS AND KNOWLEDGE, THAT HAS NOT BEEN BREACHED. FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE RELIGIOUS, A DEBATE AGAINST HITCH IS ALWAYS AN EMBARRASSING, HEADACHE PRODUCING DEBACLE AS THEY ARE SWEPT UP BY THE SYMPHONY OF LOGIC AND REASON ORCHESTRATED BY CHRISTOPHER. HE IS THE PIERCING LASER IN A ROOM OF DARKNESS AND WE ARE HIS REFRACTIVE MEANS BY WHICH THAT ROOM BECOMES DAY. HITCH,RESPECT!
I wonder what the Hitch would say instead of "Godfather"...which is what (I have to assume) he would have said about Stephen Fry as well. I really miss the Hitch.
Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
If you asked me is religion bad, I would say no. But if you asked me the same about the catholic church I would say yes. The catholic church is perhaps one of the worst interpretations of the bible. Much of what they teach and perform is nothing to do with the teachings of jesus.
@borgoff55 "All these things cause the Father-General [of the Jesuits] to be feared by the Pope and sovereigns... A sovereign who is not their [the Jesuits'] friend will sooner or later experience their vengeance." (1852)
Luigi Desanctis (Official Censor of the Inquisition)
@borgoff55 ...Wherever a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi, a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'advisor' or leader; in [Communist] Cuba Fr. Armando Llorente and in Argentina the neo-Nazis are led by Fr. Menvieille."
@borgoff55 "[Jesuit-trained Illuminist Adam] Weishaupt's success in forcing the Vatican to reestablish the abolished Jesuit Order [Ed. Note: it had been abolished in 1773 by Pope Clement XIV], through revival of the Church's original Nazarene Communism in the form of present-day Communism, led to the conspiracy's control by the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuits]...
so hitchens sais that we shoul rely on our brain, the reasoning and...common sounse...; not in prozelitism, misionarism, lobby earners very well wrapped in the sour-sweet candy for the ignorants--the religion that is-the institusionalized and the "self-righteous" shapeshifter of churches and "charity fundations"!
@DraskyVanderhoff Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
For Hitch! I’m trying to get a website going, and hopefully a book one day, called Letters to Hitch. Basically it’s a tribute to Hitchens, and a place where people can go to, to talk about him, share stories, etc. The site is in the beginning phases, so it may not be 100% yet. But with support from Hitch fans, hopefully one day it can become a monumental tribute to Christopher Hitchens. YouTube doesn’t allow me to post the site, so e-mail LetterstoHithens@gmail.com and I will forward it.
@trisoutlaw86 I did not say the only options were Heaven or Hell and yes I do believe there is sonething else after death which has little or nothing to do with Religious dogma, although love is vastly important.
here's a thought, what if the old testament (jewish bible) was referring to rape, not homosexuality? or what if by "put to death" what was really meant was die out eventually, because it didn't say that it was a sin, it said that it was an abomination?
@KatanaRapierCombo2 You setting up your own new strain of exegesis here? You may have to take a number and get in line -- it's been a popular competitive sport for the last several score centuries.
@KatanaRapierCombo2 You want to turn the distasteful and unacceptable take the Bible assumes about homosexuals on its head? To what purpose? Is this some kind of apologetics? There is nothing said in the Old Testament of any positive nature on the topic. How does it serve the homosexual suffering the indignity of bible interpretation about his nature, to try and mitigate that with counterinterpretation? This is a new one on me. Please do go on, explain further.
@manthasagittarius i'm implying that perhaps, since the beginning we misunderstood the message, or lacked some of it's entirety
did we notice that the bible said "abomination" and not "sin", the bible explains how the punishment of sin is death, well if homosexuality is an "abomination" then there's hope
Hahaha, I assumed JoEEll2233 (below this comment) would be some 14 year old. I correct myself, he is not just 'some 14 year old', he is a 14 year old with a moustache! I wrote better lyrics than this in year 8 drama class.
Hahaha, I assumed JoEEll2233 (below this comment) would be some 14 year old. I correct myself, he is not just 'some 14 year old', he is a 14 year old with a moustache! I wrote better lyrics than this in year 8 drama class.
Hahaha, I assumed JoEEll2233 (below this comment) would be some 14 year old. I correct myself, he is not just 'some 14 year old', he is a 14 year old with a moustache! I wrote better lyrics than this in year 8 drama class.
@me351 Thanks for your feedback re: my song, although I don't know which song you are referring to as all my lyrics are lousy. I think all the others songs you did not comment on are feeling left out. I care more about melody. Lyrics area pain in the butt and I just throw them together so I can sing. my tunes. Cheers.
["We are conducting a vast toxicological experiment in which our children and our children's children are the experimental subjects." — Dr. Herbert Needleman] Suddenly & inexplicably I'm reminded of that time-honored, shop-warn adage which I'll paraphrase: “You snooze, you don't emerge as victorious.”
Bill Blythe (Clinton) was successful at furthering David Rockefeller's New World Order agenda. He's brought us a smidgen closer to planetary enslavement.
Obscurantist/plagiarist/historical revisionist Christopher (bearer of Christ) Hitchens supports the eugenic policies of the modern-day Western World: carbon taxes (which will double the price of grain); abortion (infanticide/genocide); endless warfare (as Orwell had warned us of in "1984"); confiscatory taxation; Z.P.G. (Zero Population Growth); "atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty) & internationalism (planetary government).
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild I'm not sure if he was against abortion, he just saw a hypocrisy in it legally. If a pregnant women is murdered it can be double homicide, but she can terminate half of that double homicide at any point.
A pregnant women wanting the baby sees it as life during the pregnancy because it will be that at some point. One not wishing to have that baby, may do so with guilt and hard feelings, but is still allowed an option not to.
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild No, he was not. He was very much in support of medical abortion, he just personally thought that the fetus should be considered an unborn child in the process and hence cried for more contraceptive awareness and availability. The poster below has the gist of it.
@Banned4Life Truth be told, he always dodged giving a direct answer to the question of if he was for or against abortion. However, he made it very clear he believed an unborn fetus to being an unborn child, entitled to human rights.
He was against abortion. I assume you are referring to him opposing the overturning of roe vs. wade, but this was due to him feeling it was the wrong way to go about stopping abortion, he preferred encouraging alternatives, like safe sex
@Treblaine Haha it is not, you've just picked that up from atheist videos without grasping the concept. But thats fine, I have evidence, watch these videos:
/watch?v=UcYv9hAkenI
/watch?v=B8HhTKzmvas
Also check his wikipedia. I have always found he was against abortion, the only reason he opposed the overturning of roe vs wade was that he preferred other alternatives to stopping abortion
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild He seems to be opposed to trivial LATE-term abortions when a viable fetus/baby has a functioning mind. OK for early-term.
This matches my views, as pre-25 weeks science shows the fetus doesn't have any neurotransmitters so brain activity - life - is impossible pre-25 weeks, abortion then is analogous to pulling-plug on brain-dead patient.
Post-25 weeks, living thought is possible. I have issues with abortion then, especially as viable delivery is possible around then.
@Astrolutra yeah just responded to someone else, i'll repost for you
watch these videos:
/watch?v=UcYv9hAkenI
/watch?v=B8HhTKzmvas
Also check his wikipedia. I have always found he was against abortion, the only reason he opposed the overturning of roe vs wade was that he preferred other alternatives to stopping abortion
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild He was? Interesting. Didn't know that. Would be nice to have a source if its true, because it'll be one of the few things we'd have disagreed upon.
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild Ah, seems he's against aborting 'viable babies'. Which is fair enough. But abortion is one of those words that means different things to different people. Same with 'pro life', quite honestly. Some say condoms are abortions, for example. And many pro-life people are murderous and hateful towards the born. So go figure.
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild I don't think that's the complete truth. He never (that I know of) fully explained his position on abortion, but from what I have heard him say, he doesn't believe there's any merit to the idea of life at conception, but at some point the embryo *does* become a human deserving of its own rights. At what point, I haven't heard him specify. If you know of a video where he talks more about it, I'd love to watch it.
@johnjsal Yeah, check a page or two back in the comments, I replied to some other people with videos.
Very true he did his best to avoid coming out and saying yes or no to abortion. But what I got from the videos I replied with is that he is against abortion. He opposes the overturning of roe vs. wade because he believes there are better alternatives to stopping it
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild Thanks very much. Ignore my recent comment where I said the videos weren't available. I removed the comment because I had made a mistake and pasted in two double slashes.
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild He actually said that he was deeply uncomfortable with it, and that the distinction between a fully perceiving human being and a cluster of cells and half-formed organs was a blurred one. He never categorically stated that he was against abortion, nor did he suggest he was in favour of banning it.
@QuasiGood He is actually specifically against banning it, saying that there are better alternatives than overturning Roe vs. Wade. But I think its safe to say he was against abortions, I posted a couple replies to other people with my video evidence a page or two back
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild I think most people are against abortions in that sense, that they should be legal, safe and rare. He also spoke in favour of medical abortion, with abortifacient drugs made more available, and also in the greater availability of contraception and reproductive rights, since that would avert the need for surgical abortions altogether.
@procommenter Zero population growth? What's wrong with that you silly person? Do you think you live on an infinitely large planet? Because I checked, and it isn't.
""atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty)"
Religion is a far great denigration of both the person and self-sovereignty. "Obey and love me or you'll burn forever" - I feel so uplifted.
"something about the question brought out their inner coward" ... can't be better said lol ... Ask someone and watch how they react to the question of whether they support same-sex marriage. Ask someone and watch how uneasy they get ... the real entertainment is the inner story behind each and every feeling of unease ... because that's why they feel like cowards. Hitch hit the nail right on the fucking head ... as usual.
Homosexuality's not a form of love. Dont even say heterosexuality is. It is a geasture of love. Its really sad the Hitchens thinks that love is a thing that sprung up and it spurted out in another way from our body, metablolism and biology, and here came another form. And homosexuality cannot be tolerated without it costing you to not understand what body you have and what its for in relation to the others.
@desasterz I don't understand what your trying to explain... are you against homosexuality or for it? It can't possibly be a 'gesture' of love, a gesture of love is like giving them flowers, or kissing them, or defending them...
Because love does come in many forms, not just in one, and homosexuality is a form or love it's the same form of love that heterosexuals have.
And homosexuality shouldn't be something you say 'cannot be tolerated if...' It's not your place to decide
@MusicFreak9646 It is a jeasture of love. Forms of love dont exist, they dont exist. There is just love and the object doesn't redirect its course and its form.You love a child the same way you love an adult.Them being a child means you minister to them out of lov ein a different way but as they grow up,your love for them doesnt change form. There ar no different forms of love. There is just love and you should love everybody in the same way.
@desasterz 1. Love is not an object, it is not material and cannot be seen or touched. 2. Yes, there are forms of love, five actually: Agape-unconditional, self-sacrificing love, Philia-like brotherly love, Storge-natural affection as for a puppy, Eros-romantic love, Thelma-lustful, sexual love. 3. Are you telling me, that you would love your child in the same form as you would love your wife/husband? Form is not being in QUANTITY, it is the type or kind of love.
@MusicFreak9646 No, homosexuality is not loving. Its not a form of love, as in an example of love. It is just like pedophilia. When you are looking at homosexuality, you are looking at a pervertion and sin the same as a strike. And I dont think the alternatives to being the kind of person to consider it are dry, inelegent, uncharming, flat, frumpy or controling, syruppy or wooden. We are entirely open and free to sympathetic and spiritual passonsand everything personal.
@desasterz I have already cleared up the fact that indeed, that there are forms of love homosexuality AND heterosexuality fitting into 3 of them. In what way is homosexuality like pedophilia?
By saying that it is a perversion (desire that is considered abnormal, or unacceptable) and a sin, you are clearly showing you are closed minded, which is inelegent, uncharming, flat, frumpy, controlliny, syruppy or wooden.
@MusicFreak9646 Homosexuality is like pedophilia in that it is perversive desire. And pervertion isnt a desire. Some desires are perverted.
And no, you have to be both closed minded and open minded in a way both at the same time to make a decision. I bet you are very closed minded about what colour(s) your clothing is. And I do hope you are closed minded about pedophilia bieng wrong.
And you are not s atractive to all of us as you may think.
@MusicFreak9646 And since when is it not my place to decide?Am I not a moral human being?If I have made the wrong decision it would be my place to move over to the right one.And its just like english culture.Accepting homosexuality is a completely altering thing to do and it ahs an effect on your own body and your understanding of it and its function and purpouse when it comes to this matter.
@desasterz I am saying it is not in your place to state (your deciding this for others ) in what case homosexuality should be tolerated or not... I am not sure wether or not you are a moral human being, because you think that just because two people that love each other and both have a penis or a vagina, is a sin, is abnormal, is unacceptable... you're showing you will judge these people because of same genitals, hormones... these have nothing to do with love between two people.
@MusicFreak9646 I am a morla human being, that is not in question. If I wasnt you couldnt blame me for imorality. The question is only, am I exercizing that morality. Because people can only be imoral if they are doing something against their morality.
And it seems to me that also, you are only agreeing with me that homosexuality is not a form of love. But to feel lust for another man is indeed imoral and sinful. And all homosexuals can see it and if they cant, they're blind.
@desasterz Human morality: ''Human morality, though sophisticated and complex relative to other animals, is essentially a natural phenomenon that evolved to restrict excessive individualism that could undermine a group's cohesion and thereby reducing the individuals' fitness.'' This is a definition straight from wikipedia in 'Morality'. That is what a moral human being is. I'm sorry but I didn't understand your definition of what it is.
@MusicFreak9646 I rest my case. It must have been another "woops quick!" then. Like the ambiloceitus eventual swiming gear. You're treating it like a building pillar! Its no wonder you gutys know nothing. No, morality is something everybody has. The heart of it is love your neighbour as yourself. But you dont even beleive in a self. Just in a car that needs maintanance. So dont driv too fast, dont drive rough, give it petrol and some atention every now and againe. Ridiculous.
@desasterz love your neighbour as yourself. This means, love everybody, (even if they're gay, masturbate, a divorcy....) something I think you need to start practicing honestly. I'm starting to get tired of you being rude to me when I haven't even sprouted an insult to you. I do believe in myself, because I am present,I can touch myself,I can see myself,I know how I feel,I know how I react to things,I know that being open minded and respectful to others is best that is what i believe.
@MusicFreak9646 U dnt have any idea how much ur ofensive.Its jus that everyone these days thinks like u basicly in the west.But u ahve ofended me,many many times.ur definition of morality was scandalous,u caling me jujmental was in itself quite jujmental in itself,because it sujests that every single possible interpretation of me thinking that someone is doing bad,a certain bad,is due to self absorbtion.If I want to stand for purity in any way I must stand against your vewclaims.
@desasterz If I offended you im sorry, but we seem to not agree on anything about the subject.I think that the reason your so against it is because of your religious views, which go against gay love,sex, and marriage. No I don't respect your religious beliefs, just as i'm very sure you don't respect mine (or lack of). But I will not disrespect you as a person and a human being no matter what you practice. Have a good day sir/m'am.
@MusicFreak9646 And yes,love ur neighbour as urself does meaneverybody must b lved & that includes everybody.I fully agree that it is imperative to love everybody as if they were two months old and had never done nothing wrong.No matter who they are.But,I also beleive that as soon as one has sined they diserve no more love.And the only way it is still just and normal to love them is through the equasions of Jesus on the cross.
@desasterz I think that once someone has sined (which I call doing something wrong) at they still deserve love, probably even more. Everybody has sined through their lives, humans make mistakes and are not perfect (the God you believe in ''created'' us this way). Everyone has lied (even a tiny mislead from the truth) through their lives, done something wrong... EVERYONE. If what you applied what you believe in, in this real life situatio, this would mean you think everyone deserve no love.
@desasterzI think that once someone has sined (which I call doing something wrong) at they still deserve love, probably even more. Everybody has sined through their lives, humans make mistakes and are not perfect (the God you believe in ''created'' us this way). Everyone has lied (even a tiny mislead from the truth) through their lives, done something wrong... EVERYONE. If what you applied what you believe in, in this real life situatio, this would mean you think everyone deserve no love.
@MusicFreak9646 That means I dont have fake,alteration,diminished love. I dont have a video game instruction style manuel on how to love people in moral life. With demerits, average human behaviour evaluation, tolerance systhems, forgiveness morality, forgiveness acceptability boards... Sin enlifing, diservings, repayings, earnings, I dont have any of that.
@desasterz No one has a fake alteration, diminished love. Homosexuels neither. They dont just wake up saying 'Hey, I want to be treated badly, judged, ridiculed, disrespected, feel self-hatred, cause family problems... so i'll become gay and start putting my p*nis in an ass*ole instead of a v*gina!' They're born gay, they have no choice, they cannot force themselves to love the opposite sex, theyre not hardwired that way. If you dont want to respect them don't, I'm tired of arguing with you
@desasterz Not everyone is moral. If you believe so I suggest a reality check, visit a prison, or watch a video on youtube where theyre burning people alive, watch the news and the criminals that they focus on. Are these people moral? But whatever, I know your going to reply by saying something that is totally out of context. I gave you the real definition straight off of a credible, reliable site. If you don't agree with the definition, take it up with Wikipedia.
@MusicFreak9646 Yes,everyone is moral.Otherwise you couldnt be outraged against these people.Everyone is moral, its part of humanity.But we're just sinful.If Aristotle or John Lennon could get it wrong and if the vast vast vast majority of the people I know get it wrong,than so can Wiki.Wiki would have to show me a way in which my reaosning is wrong just like anyone else.If its right,then I need sorting out somehow and I dont know which way and how tbh wiht the values I have.
@desasterz Sigh.... you keep bringing up religion in this, which I understand because it's what makes you so against gays.
I hope you learn to start accepting and respecting these people through your life, if not.... well enjoy life. I just promote love and acceptance, and open mindedness to understand and learn
@MusicFreak9646 By th way,shouldnt u get rid of all that & just send all of us cars who need so much 2 the tip?& let the best cars stay & then use thier model for the next generation?Shame even that has to happen right?We're doing it wrong then.I mean look,every1 else is geting ahead.It is unfortunately esablished though its essencial,that even the bst cars need some maintenance.
@MusicFreak9646 But the maintenance feels good. From that, a continuum arises. And there you have morality! You call it geneous and fascinating nd amazing and wonderful. I call it sick! Just sick!
@desasterz Morality isnt something you are born with, you are raised and what you are taught and what you learn, shows you right from wrong. This is so far away from what the real discussion is about. And we've reached an impass, which means that even if we continue to discuss this there won't be an agreement. If you want to continue the argument please talk to me through my account, not on this comment board, it gets hard to keep track of who says what and where.
@MusicFreak9646 Then how can a human being naturaly receive love? And why do they have natural morality? Its not just like a video game, I mena even that is more than simple education. People have natural tendancies towards things. Spontaneous, natural. When I sin against my friend, she wanted to get angery at me, tell me what I was how bad I was, hurt me and turn her back on me and leave me. Curioussly, what happened to Jesus. Its antural morality.
@desasterz,You receive love by others. Ok, I agree with you on the fact that humans, and all other animals have natural tendencies towards things, it's instinct.But it doesn't make someone moral if they know it's wrong to kill someone.It doesn't stop them from doing it.And not all natural tendencies cover the basis of morality.How you were raised is always to consider. If you were raised wrongly, taught wrongly, learnt wrongly etc. you do wrongly. Thats why we want parents to raise kids rightly
@MusicFreak9646 And in fact, the majority of heterosexuals are blind too as it happens. And dont understand it to its fullest depth. If it wasnt the case, there would be no acceptance of divorce (exept of course in critical circumstances.), friends with benefits, pollygamy or porno, masturbation or lust.
@desasterz You are obviously a very religious person, Christian it would seem. I, on the other hand, am the complete opposite. I'm a proud atheist. I do not believe in a world where we discriminate groups of people because of; same-sex love or lust, or people that can't seem to get along or no longer love their spouse, or people that want to pleasure themsleves, or people that want a sexual relationship without emotions involved. I believe in a free and liberal world.
@MusicFreak9646 You probably beleive in parentse being free to leave their children then. You dont get naked body around people for a reason. Did you know? And why in the world would you fully entrust someone all personaly and then they leave and dishonour it? And treat it like just as well as any other concept goes threw in this life? You wouldnt degrade a personal being, if you even beleive in them. You probably tell them to grow up and call them mental diseased titles.
@desasterz No, I do not believe in that, when have I said it? I know I didnt imply it. Yes, it happens often that when you trust someone and then dishonour them like if they cheat on you. Most marriages lead to divorce, this means that it does happen often and for many reasons that you trust someone and not later on.
You get naked if you want to, infront of who you want to, when you want to. It's your desicion when your 18, and nobody is to tell you the opposite.
@MusicFreak9646 The reason itdoesnt work somewhere down the line is becauase we sin! We would never do any of that if we where perfect. We have a limited attention and energy, thats why we must stay with the same person all the time, amungst other reasons. Iits to do with the face to face issue too. If theres three persons, four, five, some of them are going to be left out some times. And they will not have the same attention to each other as they should. Not that its technical.
@MusicFreak9646 I dont see why you dont understand that. You've got to understand that its at least the objective and the purpouse. Its got to at least be the eutopian ideal situation.
Look mate, Im going to sleep. Its not that it takes effort but arguing for lifes matters really wears you out. I wont deleat any of your coments from my inbox I'll keep talking to you tomorow. + Ive been drawing human faces too.
@desasterz i don't call people, mental diseased titles in any circumstances unless the truly piss me off. It's very offensive, disrespectful and highly rude to the mental diseased company. Whatever I say to someone's back is what I make sure to say to their faces. If you want to continue any argument please talk to me through my account, not on this comment board, it gets hard to keep track of who says what and where.
@MusicFreak9646 But thats what you do when you do what you're beleiving in right now. Why is it that it seems that sexual high is the bigest possible high in the body? And why does it seem like sometimes we are made for it? And why does the urge feel like it has such a personality to it? And why doe sit take up your whole body in that certain way? You guys dont even honour personal awearness and you treat the bigest jeasture for it and to it and threw and around it like a toy.
@desasterz I don't agree with polygamy. But if I see a couple that practices that, I will not discriminate them, be mean to them, put a book of belief (in my case of being an atheist: a psychological book) in their faces... no, I will show them respect, not because I agree with them (I really do not) but because they might be very good people and I think there's too much hate in the world. And I'll ask questions to better understand their situation, even if after I still do not agree.
@MusicFreak9646 The bigest problem in the world is that we do not ahve a right to hate every bad thing and every bad person. Thankfully we do. When Jesus died on the cross, that satisfied it all and we dont have to negociate anymore.Everythings gone. It all went on him, it was all paid for perfectly completely.And there is an oportunity for everyone who has sined to be redeemed and washed completely and perfectly.There is no humanitarian evil and compromise anymore.Just all good.
@desasterz We do have a right to hate anything, eveything, anybody and everybody in the world if we wanted to.
I don't believe in God, in the Holy Spirit, in the Bible, and that Jesus rose from the cross. So there is no point what so ever telling me all this. No not everything is all good.... If it was we wouldn't be having this discussion on the hate and judgment of sames*x love/sex/marrige.
@desasterz Yes, I completley agree with you that when YOU make the wrong decision, it's in YOUR place to move over to the right one. Not just you, but anybody. This doesn't mean homosexuality is a decision, it in no way effects your body physically or your brain mentally.
There are 1 thousand 5 hundred animals species, on our planet today that display homosexual behavior including humans. Are these animals being perversive? If yes what possible reason or influence do they have?
@MusicFreak9646 If it is made ok or aceptable that gay people have sex and are attracted to each other and not at least seen as a rotten apple or a dead twig, that affects the strait peoples view of thie rbody and when you hear american evangelists say "we need to protect the institution of mariage." some of them dont know hwat they're talking about and in their mind are just being puritst, but there is a sens ein which the phraze is very accurate indeed.
@desasterz ... please explain to me in what matter and how exactly (do not involve religion in your answer please, because I don't believe in God or Goddess and we will reach an impass, where we can't have a discussion because of different religious beliefs and we won't have any agreements) does heterosexual (The marriage you believe in) marriage need to be protected by homosexual love/sex/marriage?
@MusicFreak9646 Because, unlike other differences between individuals, the issue of sex and sexuality is grieved by the concept that these parts and functionalities of the body can be used for something else it should be used for. It doesnt make any sense. It just looks good how you say it should be alowed bt its like a porn rollercoaster and nothing else.
@desasterz Oh! I get it! You think that these people should be using their p*nises and v*ginas to reproduce with people they are not sexual attracted to even FURTHER overpopulate our planet (overpopulated by 3 billion people), which in effect creates more pollution, higher pverty rates, worser economy, higher hunger rate, less food for people and less jobs! which in also in affect, creates broken families where the gay parent can't be with the straight one and splits the family!Oooh!
@desasterz I am a straight person, and I can tell you that it does not in anyway affect my view on my body or any one elses. I know what a p*nis is and what a v*gina is, I don't care where someone wants to put theirs, it's not your buisness or anyone else's choice or decision to tell them where they should put it. If it effects straight peoples body, we obviously are very mentally vulnerable, shallow, self conscious beings and judgemental people that can't mind their own buisness
@MusicFreak9646 Replace the word shallow with deep and I'll agree wiht you.Againe you are dishonouring the vulnerable and untouchability of a person!A person is ment to be, and technicly and is meant to be aknowlaged to me Shalom. It means fullness, wholeness.A person is not alterable.Thats why you dont rape babies.Jujemental mans a perosn who is devoting his life ot jujing,but jujemental is the right thing in an other sense.Because we are Shalom moral beings.All round the compas
@desasterz I'm starting to think your a troll... (you're not serious about what your saying and joking)
I find it very fascinated that what a gay couple does in there bed bothers you so much that it makes you forget where your p*nis wants to go! I'm trully sorry you have this problem and suggest seeing a doctor, hon.
If you want to continue any argument please talk to me through my account, not on this comment board, it gets hard to keep track of who says what and where
@MusicFreak9646 And you dont need a reason or an influence for something to be perverted. Do not think that how people think is all normal. It is not all just bad experience, bad influence or even self interest that makes us do evil. By self interest, I dont mean that it should be of self interest to do evil, but self interest, like, being selfish gets you more cake and so on. It is not only that kind of self interest that leads people to do wicked things.
@desasterz Read 'the animal displaying homosexual behavior' article from Wikipedia.
I suggest you read it,before you reply to this.I'll know if you read it or not by the context of how you'll reply to my question and if you make a fool out of yourself.If these animals have no reason or influence, like you said,does that mean they were born that way?You say there wasn't any influence/ reason for them to be gay growing up, so how did they become gay? Born that way
@MusicFreak9646 Well there isnt any reason or influence for any baby to go upto another baby and argue with him.You may have forgoten what it looks like when babies argue. They were born like that and everybody knows its wrong. And they sure know it is too. If you see homosexual sex as a good thing or acceptable, it deosnt make you gay,but it effects he vew you have of your sex with your spouse.You cant have one without the other.Its like lies with the truth,it just doesnt work.
@desasterz No, it doesnt effect the 'way' I have sex with my partner, we don't have the same sex as homosexuels. I don't know about you, but when I have intercourse I don't think about other people's sex lives, its really none of my buisness and im busy.....
But we arent going to agree with each other obviously... if you want to continue, again please dont continue on this conversation board, here's my email: baconmonster@hotmail.ca
"Well there isnt any reason or influence for any baby to go upto another baby and argue with him"
huh? since when can you claim to know intimately the mind of a baby sufficiently to declare it has no reason for doing anything? what an absurd thing to say.
"but it effects he vew you have of your sex with your spouse" - yes, I suppose.so what? does it make it worse, or better for you? or neither? what is your point here?
@Eniacbc They've both been wrong on many many many times. Stephen Fry's wrong even about his Bi-Polar. Its an emotional reaction to a certain opinion of the world. And you can tell his opinion on the world when he talks. I can see exactly what his dipression is. Everyone who tries to continue on that thinking about people having that bi polar disorder are disgraceful and stupid and abusive.
This was perhaps the best and most one sided debate I've ever seen, Atheism is such an easy subject to argue against religion but when its got two brilliant minds like Fry and Hitchens (R.I.P) fighting its corner, its genuinely thrilling to watch. As well as very funny . . . "FIRST a cab and then the police" What a line!
HITCHENS WAS AN ELITE DEBATER FOR TRUTH AND HUMANITY. HE WORE AN IMPENETRABLE METAPHORIC ARMOR OF INTELLECT, LINGUISTIC PROWESS AND KNOWLEDGE, THAT HAS NOT BEEN BREACHED. FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE RELIGIOUS, A DEBATE AGAINST HITCH IS ALWAYS AN EMBARRASSING, HEADACHE PRODUCING DEBACLE AS THEY ARE SWEPT UP BY THE SYMPHONY OF LOGIC AND REASON ORCHESTRATED BY CHRISTOPHER. HE IS THE PIERCING LASER IN A ROOM OF DARKNESS AND WE ARE HIS REFRACTIVE MEANS BY WHICH THAT ROOM BECOMES DAY. HITCH,RESPECT!
699backstab 14 hours ago
I wonder what the Hitch would say instead of "Godfather"...which is what (I have to assume) he would have said about Stephen Fry as well. I really miss the Hitch.
newguy33X 1 day ago
damn hitch why did u have to die and leave us with these religious psychopaths
RGOC2012 2 days ago
Hitchens! Yay, Hitchens! God bless him.
TOMHYLE88 2 days ago
HITCHSLAP !!!!
ryantheatheist22 4 days ago
RIP Hitchens
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tigersforchrist 1 week ago
The lady at 0:44 is about to laugh her ass out, then she realizes is surrounded by nuns!
FMMAROTO 1 week ago 2
If you asked me is religion bad, I would say no. But if you asked me the same about the catholic church I would say yes. The catholic church is perhaps one of the worst interpretations of the bible. Much of what they teach and perform is nothing to do with the teachings of jesus.
borgoff55 2 weeks ago
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@borgoff55 "All these things cause the Father-General [of the Jesuits] to be feared by the Pope and sovereigns... A sovereign who is not their [the Jesuits'] friend will sooner or later experience their vengeance." (1852)
Luigi Desanctis (Official Censor of the Inquisition)
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@borgoff55 ...Wherever a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi, a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'advisor' or leader; in [Communist] Cuba Fr. Armando Llorente and in Argentina the neo-Nazis are led by Fr. Menvieille."
Emanuel M. Josephson (1968)
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@borgoff55 "[Jesuit-trained Illuminist Adam] Weishaupt's success in forcing the Vatican to reestablish the abolished Jesuit Order [Ed. Note: it had been abolished in 1773 by Pope Clement XIV], through revival of the Church's original Nazarene Communism in the form of present-day Communism, led to the conspiracy's control by the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuits]...
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so hitchens sais that we shoul rely on our brain, the reasoning and...common sounse...; not in prozelitism, misionarism, lobby earners very well wrapped in the sour-sweet candy for the ignorants--the religion that is-the institusionalized and the "self-righteous" shapeshifter of churches and "charity fundations"!
scathomancer 2 weeks ago
Hitch pwned like the fucking BOSS
MrFlibble2011 2 weeks ago
So many miss you Mr. Hitchens!
Akhotnik 3 weeks ago
he is gay?
gQuaresma07 3 weeks ago
Fry and Hitchens...must have had great conversations.
adstanra 3 weeks ago
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God is Great! Praise Allah!
JonathonAnthony24242 3 weeks ago
@JonathonAnthony24242 No, god is shit.
kriss299 3 weeks ago 39
@kriss299 long as you admit he exists man
JonathonAnthony24242 3 weeks ago
@JonathonAnthony24242 witty
Guichotpresident 3 weeks ago
@JonathonAnthony24242 God is a fairytale.
kriss299 3 weeks ago 3
@kriss299 I would sooner believe in fairies though....
musicmode13100 3 weeks ago
@kriss299 No, god is not :P
DraskyVanderhoff 1 week ago
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@DraskyVanderhoff Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 1 week ago
@DraskyVanderhoff Yeah, he doesn't even exist.
GraffitiBMXskate 5 days ago
@JonathonAnthony24242 Navy SEALS > Allah.
TomFynn 3 weeks ago
Big LULZ at non-clapping front row.
1878EFC2008 3 weeks ago 3
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For Hitch! I’m trying to get a website going, and hopefully a book one day, called Letters to Hitch. Basically it’s a tribute to Hitchens, and a place where people can go to, to talk about him, share stories, etc. The site is in the beginning phases, so it may not be 100% yet. But with support from Hitch fans, hopefully one day it can become a monumental tribute to Christopher Hitchens. YouTube doesn’t allow me to post the site, so e-mail LetterstoHithens@gmail.com and I will forward it.
kermykermitt1112 3 weeks ago
I absolutely loved this debate.
karadan100 3 weeks ago
Fuck Yeah!!!
TBlenx1995 3 weeks ago
My daughter's baby sitter for several years was an hiv positive gay man. He was a great baby sitter and remains a family friend to this day.
chmkla 4 weeks ago
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it is the only man i have not met, that i will miss wholeheartedly.
prowled 4 weeks ago
it is the only man i have not met, that i will miss wholeheartedly.
prowled 4 weeks ago
he is dead wonder where is he ? just wonder
albusai 4 weeks ago
@albusai Probably in his grave.
Mumfin 4 weeks ago
Whom or what are you hopeful about interpreting more positively? Scripture, or homosexual reality, or the relation between the two?
manthasagittarius 1 month ago
god bless Christopher Hitchens.
WKRPinCINN 1 month ago
@WKRPinCINN derp what
MacHelL99 1 month ago 7
@WKRPinCINN That's just rude.
manthasagittarius 1 month ago
Christopher Hitchens got A Big HitchSlap from Cancer
TheOdhisattva 1 month ago
@TheOdhisattva And still you use the nickname Odhisattya when you're clearly a rotten person. Grow a sense of shame "Odhisattya".
Helenabu 1 month ago
@Helenabu Bodhisattva
TheOdhisattva 1 month ago
@TheOdhisattva Yes, I assumed the deviation as such.
Helenabu 1 month ago
@TheOdhisattva
Devout christians die of cancer...you fucktard.
At least Hithens got his point across to the multitudes without being tortured to death by some religious nut job like you.
You seem to be a poster child for the second amendment.
PaleHearse 3 weeks ago
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@PaleHearse God is Great! Praise Allah! :)
JonathonAnthony24242 3 weeks ago
@trisoutlaw86 I did not say the only options were Heaven or Hell and yes I do believe there is sonething else after death which has little or nothing to do with Religious dogma, although love is vastly important.
JoEEll2233 1 month ago
here's a thought, what if the old testament (jewish bible) was referring to rape, not homosexuality? or what if by "put to death" what was really meant was die out eventually, because it didn't say that it was a sin, it said that it was an abomination?
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 month ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 You setting up your own new strain of exegesis here? You may have to take a number and get in line -- it's been a popular competitive sport for the last several score centuries.
Git -- what do you think "PUT TO DEATH" means?
manthasagittarius 1 month ago
@manthasagittarius i don't know if there is a line for it, but anyway, just think about it.
before "put to death" the sentence was "they will surely be put to death" that could imply that a/the community would excecute it on their own accord
i'm just suggesting that perhaps we should be more open-minded for possible positive things said about homosexuality in the bible (old testament)
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 month ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 You want to turn the distasteful and unacceptable take the Bible assumes about homosexuals on its head? To what purpose? Is this some kind of apologetics? There is nothing said in the Old Testament of any positive nature on the topic. How does it serve the homosexual suffering the indignity of bible interpretation about his nature, to try and mitigate that with counterinterpretation? This is a new one on me. Please do go on, explain further.
manthasagittarius 1 month ago
@manthasagittarius i'm implying that perhaps, since the beginning we misunderstood the message, or lacked some of it's entirety
did we notice that the bible said "abomination" and not "sin", the bible explains how the punishment of sin is death, well if homosexuality is an "abomination" then there's hope
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 month ago
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Hahaha, I assumed JoEEll2233 (below this comment) would be some 14 year old. I correct myself, he is not just 'some 14 year old', he is a 14 year old with a moustache! I wrote better lyrics than this in year 8 drama class.
watch?v=J3j1LNQ5dRs&list=UURL3QnxWn-e7R82hYHev9dg&index=2&feature=plcp
*CRINGE*
me351 1 month ago
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Hahaha, I assumed JoEEll2233 (below this comment) would be some 14 year old. I correct myself, he is not just 'some 14 year old', he is a 14 year old with a moustache! I wrote better lyrics than this in year 8 drama class.
watch?v=J3j1LNQ5dRs&list=UURL3QnxWn-e7R82hYHev9dg&index=2&feature=plcp
*CRINGE*
me351 1 month ago
Hahaha, I assumed JoEEll2233 (below this comment) would be some 14 year old. I correct myself, he is not just 'some 14 year old', he is a 14 year old with a moustache! I wrote better lyrics than this in year 8 drama class.
watch?v=J3j1LNQ5dRs&list=UURL3QnxWn-e7R82hYHev9dg&index=2&feature=plcp
*CRINGE*
me351 1 month ago
@me351 Thanks for your feedback re: my song, although I don't know which song you are referring to as all my lyrics are lousy. I think all the others songs you did not comment on are feeling left out. I care more about melody. Lyrics area pain in the butt and I just throw them together so I can sing. my tunes. Cheers.
JoEEll2233 1 month ago
@JoEEll2233 Man, I feel like a dick for that. Something about youtube comments brings out the worse in me. Sorry.
me351 1 month ago
Hitchens is no longer atheist. He can now be only be a believer or nothing at all.
JoEEll2233 1 month ago
@JoEEll2233 Incoherent fool.
me351 1 month ago
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@manchapalmeiras105 "is this the same dude that william lane craig made a fool of?"
No, but it may be the same dude the Christians *thought* William Lane Craig made a fool of.
guitarpedant 1 month ago
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["We are conducting a vast toxicological experiment in which our children and our children's children are the experimental subjects." — Dr. Herbert Needleman] Suddenly & inexplicably I'm reminded of that time-honored, shop-warn adage which I'll paraphrase: “You snooze, you don't emerge as victorious.”
procommenter 1 month ago
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Bill Blythe (Clinton) was successful at furthering David Rockefeller's New World Order agenda. He's brought us a smidgen closer to planetary enslavement.
procommenter 1 month ago
Obscurantist/plagiarist/historical revisionist Christopher (bearer of Christ) Hitchens supports the eugenic policies of the modern-day Western World: carbon taxes (which will double the price of grain); abortion (infanticide/genocide); endless warfare (as Orwell had warned us of in "1984"); confiscatory taxation; Z.P.G. (Zero Population Growth); "atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty) & internationalism (planetary government).
procommenter 1 month ago
@procommenter and "procommenter" is an idiot...thank you for clarifying that.
ThreeLions89 1 month ago
@ThreeLions89 : Your gay-pride is wanting.
procommenter 1 month ago
@procommenter aaaaaaaaand the idiot is still replying.
Idiot.
ThreeLions89 1 month ago 31
@procommenter Darwinism isn't atheism. That's just science.
rhinnawi95 1 month ago
@procommenter Ignore this human singularity of insanity, he's clearly forgotten to take his medication, again..
I'm his psychiatrist, I'll fix him up with some nice anti-psychotics soon.
Incognitoification1 1 month ago
@Incognitoification1 Sister, no! Don't kill your baby!!!
procommenter 1 month ago
@procommenter Christopher Hitchens was against abortion, at least try to do your research before you make a fool of yourself
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 1 month ago 27
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild I'm not sure if he was against abortion, he just saw a hypocrisy in it legally. If a pregnant women is murdered it can be double homicide, but she can terminate half of that double homicide at any point.
A pregnant women wanting the baby sees it as life during the pregnancy because it will be that at some point. One not wishing to have that baby, may do so with guilt and hard feelings, but is still allowed an option not to.
Herv3 1 month ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild No, he was not. He was very much in support of medical abortion, he just personally thought that the fetus should be considered an unborn child in the process and hence cried for more contraceptive awareness and availability. The poster below has the gist of it.
Banned4Life 4 weeks ago
@Banned4Life Truth be told, he always dodged giving a direct answer to the question of if he was for or against abortion. However, he made it very clear he believed an unborn fetus to being an unborn child, entitled to human rights.
He was against abortion. I assume you are referring to him opposing the overturning of roe vs. wade, but this was due to him feeling it was the wrong way to go about stopping abortion, he preferred encouraging alternatives, like safe sex
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 4 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild He may have called a fetus an "unborn" child but supported Roe v. Wade ruling, supporting abortion.
Treblaine 4 weeks ago
@Treblaine I can find nothing of him ever supporting abortion. I explained him not advocating overturning roe vs wade. Do you have a link?
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 4 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild I think the onus is on you to show that he did oppose abortion.
Treblaine 4 weeks ago
@Treblaine Haha it is not, you've just picked that up from atheist videos without grasping the concept. But thats fine, I have evidence, watch these videos:
/watch?v=UcYv9hAkenI
/watch?v=B8HhTKzmvas
Also check his wikipedia. I have always found he was against abortion, the only reason he opposed the overturning of roe vs wade was that he preferred other alternatives to stopping abortion
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 3 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild He seems to be opposed to trivial LATE-term abortions when a viable fetus/baby has a functioning mind. OK for early-term.
This matches my views, as pre-25 weeks science shows the fetus doesn't have any neurotransmitters so brain activity - life - is impossible pre-25 weeks, abortion then is analogous to pulling-plug on brain-dead patient.
Post-25 weeks, living thought is possible. I have issues with abortion then, especially as viable delivery is possible around then.
Treblaine 3 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild {Full Citation needed} do you have any prof that he said so and in what context.
Astrolutra 3 weeks ago
@Astrolutra yeah just responded to someone else, i'll repost for you
watch these videos:
/watch?v=UcYv9hAkenI
/watch?v=B8HhTKzmvas
Also check his wikipedia. I have always found he was against abortion, the only reason he opposed the overturning of roe vs wade was that he preferred other alternatives to stopping abortion
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 3 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild He was? Interesting. Didn't know that. Would be nice to have a source if its true, because it'll be one of the few things we'd have disagreed upon.
andromidius 3 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild Ah, seems he's against aborting 'viable babies'. Which is fair enough. But abortion is one of those words that means different things to different people. Same with 'pro life', quite honestly. Some say condoms are abortions, for example. And many pro-life people are murderous and hateful towards the born. So go figure.
andromidius 3 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild I don't think that's the complete truth. He never (that I know of) fully explained his position on abortion, but from what I have heard him say, he doesn't believe there's any merit to the idea of life at conception, but at some point the embryo *does* become a human deserving of its own rights. At what point, I haven't heard him specify. If you know of a video where he talks more about it, I'd love to watch it.
johnjsal 2 weeks ago
@johnjsal Yeah, check a page or two back in the comments, I replied to some other people with videos.
Very true he did his best to avoid coming out and saying yes or no to abortion. But what I got from the videos I replied with is that he is against abortion. He opposes the overturning of roe vs. wade because he believes there are better alternatives to stopping it
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 2 weeks ago
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johnjsal 2 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild Thanks very much. Ignore my recent comment where I said the videos weren't available. I removed the comment because I had made a mistake and pasted in two double slashes.
johnjsal 2 weeks ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild He actually said that he was deeply uncomfortable with it, and that the distinction between a fully perceiving human being and a cluster of cells and half-formed organs was a blurred one. He never categorically stated that he was against abortion, nor did he suggest he was in favour of banning it.
QuasiGood 1 week ago
@QuasiGood He is actually specifically against banning it, saying that there are better alternatives than overturning Roe vs. Wade. But I think its safe to say he was against abortions, I posted a couple replies to other people with my video evidence a page or two back
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 1 week ago
@jsahkljdhkashvbosild I think most people are against abortions in that sense, that they should be legal, safe and rare. He also spoke in favour of medical abortion, with abortifacient drugs made more available, and also in the greater availability of contraception and reproductive rights, since that would avert the need for surgical abortions altogether.
QuasiGood 1 week ago
@procommenter Zero population growth? What's wrong with that you silly person? Do you think you live on an infinitely large planet? Because I checked, and it isn't.
""atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty)"
Religion is a far great denigration of both the person and self-sovereignty. "Obey and love me or you'll burn forever" - I feel so uplifted.
guitarpedant 1 month ago
@guitarpedant Sacrifice yourself for mother Earth.
procommenter 1 month ago
@procommenter "Sacrifice yourself for mother Earth"
You're telling me to kill myself? Oh nice. Now I and anyone who reads this knows exactly what sort of person you are.
guitarpedant 1 month ago
@guitarpedant : An example must be made of you.
procommenter 1 month ago
Whoosh!
dummychaos 1 month ago
@manchapalmeiras105 William lane craig made a fool of someone? I have to see this to believe it....you gotta link?
HAZFRAME 1 month ago
Am I the only one who thinks the term "Hitchslapped" is fucking hilarious?
555kl789 1 month ago
@555kl789 : Yes, you are alone. You are frightened.
procommenter 1 month ago
The best videos of Hitchens are when he's sucking butts, pulling long drags off a cigarette as if he were back in the showers at prep school.
onefodderunit 1 month ago
Fucking christians always have that entitlement mentality...but, they got Hitch slapped down.
spareaxe 1 month ago
The look on their faces at 0:47 .... SHUUUHHH ZINNNGGG
lugia3 1 month ago
"something about the question brought out their inner coward" ... can't be better said lol ... Ask someone and watch how they react to the question of whether they support same-sex marriage. Ask someone and watch how uneasy they get ... the real entertainment is the inner story behind each and every feeling of unease ... because that's why they feel like cowards. Hitch hit the nail right on the fucking head ... as usual.
oODarkEnergyOo 1 month ago
Homosexuality's not a form of love. Dont even say heterosexuality is. It is a geasture of love. Its really sad the Hitchens thinks that love is a thing that sprung up and it spurted out in another way from our body, metablolism and biology, and here came another form. And homosexuality cannot be tolerated without it costing you to not understand what body you have and what its for in relation to the others.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz I don't understand what your trying to explain... are you against homosexuality or for it? It can't possibly be a 'gesture' of love, a gesture of love is like giving them flowers, or kissing them, or defending them...
Because love does come in many forms, not just in one, and homosexuality is a form or love it's the same form of love that heterosexuals have.
And homosexuality shouldn't be something you say 'cannot be tolerated if...' It's not your place to decide
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 It is a jeasture of love. Forms of love dont exist, they dont exist. There is just love and the object doesn't redirect its course and its form.You love a child the same way you love an adult.Them being a child means you minister to them out of lov ein a different way but as they grow up,your love for them doesnt change form. There ar no different forms of love. There is just love and you should love everybody in the same way.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz 1. Love is not an object, it is not material and cannot be seen or touched. 2. Yes, there are forms of love, five actually: Agape-unconditional, self-sacrificing love, Philia-like brotherly love, Storge-natural affection as for a puppy, Eros-romantic love, Thelma-lustful, sexual love. 3. Are you telling me, that you would love your child in the same form as you would love your wife/husband? Form is not being in QUANTITY, it is the type or kind of love.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 forgot two things.
The other ones arent even love and arent even in the same category.
And you've got to understand that if you love a child and they grow up that love for them wont change.
desasterz 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 No, homosexuality is not loving. Its not a form of love, as in an example of love. It is just like pedophilia. When you are looking at homosexuality, you are looking at a pervertion and sin the same as a strike. And I dont think the alternatives to being the kind of person to consider it are dry, inelegent, uncharming, flat, frumpy or controling, syruppy or wooden. We are entirely open and free to sympathetic and spiritual passonsand everything personal.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz I have already cleared up the fact that indeed, that there are forms of love homosexuality AND heterosexuality fitting into 3 of them. In what way is homosexuality like pedophilia?
By saying that it is a perversion (desire that is considered abnormal, or unacceptable) and a sin, you are clearly showing you are closed minded, which is inelegent, uncharming, flat, frumpy, controlliny, syruppy or wooden.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 Homosexuality is like pedophilia in that it is perversive desire. And pervertion isnt a desire. Some desires are perverted.
And no, you have to be both closed minded and open minded in a way both at the same time to make a decision. I bet you are very closed minded about what colour(s) your clothing is. And I do hope you are closed minded about pedophilia bieng wrong.
And you are not s atractive to all of us as you may think.
desasterz 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 And since when is it not my place to decide?Am I not a moral human being?If I have made the wrong decision it would be my place to move over to the right one.And its just like english culture.Accepting homosexuality is a completely altering thing to do and it ahs an effect on your own body and your understanding of it and its function and purpouse when it comes to this matter.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz I am saying it is not in your place to state (your deciding this for others ) in what case homosexuality should be tolerated or not... I am not sure wether or not you are a moral human being, because you think that just because two people that love each other and both have a penis or a vagina, is a sin, is abnormal, is unacceptable... you're showing you will judge these people because of same genitals, hormones... these have nothing to do with love between two people.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 I am a morla human being, that is not in question. If I wasnt you couldnt blame me for imorality. The question is only, am I exercizing that morality. Because people can only be imoral if they are doing something against their morality.
And it seems to me that also, you are only agreeing with me that homosexuality is not a form of love. But to feel lust for another man is indeed imoral and sinful. And all homosexuals can see it and if they cant, they're blind.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz Human morality: ''Human morality, though sophisticated and complex relative to other animals, is essentially a natural phenomenon that evolved to restrict excessive individualism that could undermine a group's cohesion and thereby reducing the individuals' fitness.'' This is a definition straight from wikipedia in 'Morality'. That is what a moral human being is. I'm sorry but I didn't understand your definition of what it is.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 I rest my case. It must have been another "woops quick!" then. Like the ambiloceitus eventual swiming gear. You're treating it like a building pillar! Its no wonder you gutys know nothing. No, morality is something everybody has. The heart of it is love your neighbour as yourself. But you dont even beleive in a self. Just in a car that needs maintanance. So dont driv too fast, dont drive rough, give it petrol and some atention every now and againe. Ridiculous.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz love your neighbour as yourself. This means, love everybody, (even if they're gay, masturbate, a divorcy....) something I think you need to start practicing honestly. I'm starting to get tired of you being rude to me when I haven't even sprouted an insult to you. I do believe in myself, because I am present,I can touch myself,I can see myself,I know how I feel,I know how I react to things,I know that being open minded and respectful to others is best that is what i believe.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 U dnt have any idea how much ur ofensive.Its jus that everyone these days thinks like u basicly in the west.But u ahve ofended me,many many times.ur definition of morality was scandalous,u caling me jujmental was in itself quite jujmental in itself,because it sujests that every single possible interpretation of me thinking that someone is doing bad,a certain bad,is due to self absorbtion.If I want to stand for purity in any way I must stand against your vewclaims.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz If I offended you im sorry, but we seem to not agree on anything about the subject.I think that the reason your so against it is because of your religious views, which go against gay love,sex, and marriage. No I don't respect your religious beliefs, just as i'm very sure you don't respect mine (or lack of). But I will not disrespect you as a person and a human being no matter what you practice. Have a good day sir/m'am.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 And yes,love ur neighbour as urself does meaneverybody must b lved & that includes everybody.I fully agree that it is imperative to love everybody as if they were two months old and had never done nothing wrong.No matter who they are.But,I also beleive that as soon as one has sined they diserve no more love.And the only way it is still just and normal to love them is through the equasions of Jesus on the cross.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz I think that once someone has sined (which I call doing something wrong) at they still deserve love, probably even more. Everybody has sined through their lives, humans make mistakes and are not perfect (the God you believe in ''created'' us this way). Everyone has lied (even a tiny mislead from the truth) through their lives, done something wrong... EVERYONE. If what you applied what you believe in, in this real life situatio, this would mean you think everyone deserve no love.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
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@desasterzI think that once someone has sined (which I call doing something wrong) at they still deserve love, probably even more. Everybody has sined through their lives, humans make mistakes and are not perfect (the God you believe in ''created'' us this way). Everyone has lied (even a tiny mislead from the truth) through their lives, done something wrong... EVERYONE. If what you applied what you believe in, in this real life situatio, this would mean you think everyone deserve no love.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 That means I dont have fake,alteration,diminished love. I dont have a video game instruction style manuel on how to love people in moral life. With demerits, average human behaviour evaluation, tolerance systhems, forgiveness morality, forgiveness acceptability boards... Sin enlifing, diservings, repayings, earnings, I dont have any of that.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz No one has a fake alteration, diminished love. Homosexuels neither. They dont just wake up saying 'Hey, I want to be treated badly, judged, ridiculed, disrespected, feel self-hatred, cause family problems... so i'll become gay and start putting my p*nis in an ass*ole instead of a v*gina!' They're born gay, they have no choice, they cannot force themselves to love the opposite sex, theyre not hardwired that way. If you dont want to respect them don't, I'm tired of arguing with you
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@desasterz Not everyone is moral. If you believe so I suggest a reality check, visit a prison, or watch a video on youtube where theyre burning people alive, watch the news and the criminals that they focus on. Are these people moral? But whatever, I know your going to reply by saying something that is totally out of context. I gave you the real definition straight off of a credible, reliable site. If you don't agree with the definition, take it up with Wikipedia.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 Yes,everyone is moral.Otherwise you couldnt be outraged against these people.Everyone is moral, its part of humanity.But we're just sinful.If Aristotle or John Lennon could get it wrong and if the vast vast vast majority of the people I know get it wrong,than so can Wiki.Wiki would have to show me a way in which my reaosning is wrong just like anyone else.If its right,then I need sorting out somehow and I dont know which way and how tbh wiht the values I have.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz Sigh.... you keep bringing up religion in this, which I understand because it's what makes you so against gays.
I hope you learn to start accepting and respecting these people through your life, if not.... well enjoy life. I just promote love and acceptance, and open mindedness to understand and learn
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 By th way,shouldnt u get rid of all that & just send all of us cars who need so much 2 the tip?& let the best cars stay & then use thier model for the next generation?Shame even that has to happen right?We're doing it wrong then.I mean look,every1 else is geting ahead.It is unfortunately esablished though its essencial,that even the bst cars need some maintenance.
desasterz 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 But the maintenance feels good. From that, a continuum arises. And there you have morality! You call it geneous and fascinating nd amazing and wonderful. I call it sick! Just sick!
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz Morality isnt something you are born with, you are raised and what you are taught and what you learn, shows you right from wrong. This is so far away from what the real discussion is about. And we've reached an impass, which means that even if we continue to discuss this there won't be an agreement. If you want to continue the argument please talk to me through my account, not on this comment board, it gets hard to keep track of who says what and where.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 Then how can a human being naturaly receive love? And why do they have natural morality? Its not just like a video game, I mena even that is more than simple education. People have natural tendancies towards things. Spontaneous, natural. When I sin against my friend, she wanted to get angery at me, tell me what I was how bad I was, hurt me and turn her back on me and leave me. Curioussly, what happened to Jesus. Its antural morality.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz,You receive love by others. Ok, I agree with you on the fact that humans, and all other animals have natural tendencies towards things, it's instinct.But it doesn't make someone moral if they know it's wrong to kill someone.It doesn't stop them from doing it.And not all natural tendencies cover the basis of morality.How you were raised is always to consider. If you were raised wrongly, taught wrongly, learnt wrongly etc. you do wrongly. Thats why we want parents to raise kids rightly
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 And in fact, the majority of heterosexuals are blind too as it happens. And dont understand it to its fullest depth. If it wasnt the case, there would be no acceptance of divorce (exept of course in critical circumstances.), friends with benefits, pollygamy or porno, masturbation or lust.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz You are obviously a very religious person, Christian it would seem. I, on the other hand, am the complete opposite. I'm a proud atheist. I do not believe in a world where we discriminate groups of people because of; same-sex love or lust, or people that can't seem to get along or no longer love their spouse, or people that want to pleasure themsleves, or people that want a sexual relationship without emotions involved. I believe in a free and liberal world.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 You probably beleive in parentse being free to leave their children then. You dont get naked body around people for a reason. Did you know? And why in the world would you fully entrust someone all personaly and then they leave and dishonour it? And treat it like just as well as any other concept goes threw in this life? You wouldnt degrade a personal being, if you even beleive in them. You probably tell them to grow up and call them mental diseased titles.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz No, I do not believe in that, when have I said it? I know I didnt imply it. Yes, it happens often that when you trust someone and then dishonour them like if they cheat on you. Most marriages lead to divorce, this means that it does happen often and for many reasons that you trust someone and not later on.
You get naked if you want to, infront of who you want to, when you want to. It's your desicion when your 18, and nobody is to tell you the opposite.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 The reason itdoesnt work somewhere down the line is becauase we sin! We would never do any of that if we where perfect. We have a limited attention and energy, thats why we must stay with the same person all the time, amungst other reasons. Iits to do with the face to face issue too. If theres three persons, four, five, some of them are going to be left out some times. And they will not have the same attention to each other as they should. Not that its technical.
desasterz 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 I dont see why you dont understand that. You've got to understand that its at least the objective and the purpouse. Its got to at least be the eutopian ideal situation.
Look mate, Im going to sleep. Its not that it takes effort but arguing for lifes matters really wears you out. I wont deleat any of your coments from my inbox I'll keep talking to you tomorow. + Ive been drawing human faces too.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz i don't call people, mental diseased titles in any circumstances unless the truly piss me off. It's very offensive, disrespectful and highly rude to the mental diseased company. Whatever I say to someone's back is what I make sure to say to their faces. If you want to continue any argument please talk to me through my account, not on this comment board, it gets hard to keep track of who says what and where.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 But thats what you do when you do what you're beleiving in right now. Why is it that it seems that sexual high is the bigest possible high in the body? And why does it seem like sometimes we are made for it? And why does the urge feel like it has such a personality to it? And why doe sit take up your whole body in that certain way? You guys dont even honour personal awearness and you treat the bigest jeasture for it and to it and threw and around it like a toy.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz The sexual high is not the biggest possible high for everyone.
You say "you guys"... 'you guys' being who?
And how do you know what I honour and what I don't.
You have sex if you want to, with who you want to, when you want to. It's your desicion when your 18 and up, and nobody is to tell you the opposite.
Sex isn't a toy, I just believe that if people want to treat it like one, let them do so... when has it become any of your buisness?
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@desasterz I don't agree with polygamy. But if I see a couple that practices that, I will not discriminate them, be mean to them, put a book of belief (in my case of being an atheist: a psychological book) in their faces... no, I will show them respect, not because I agree with them (I really do not) but because they might be very good people and I think there's too much hate in the world. And I'll ask questions to better understand their situation, even if after I still do not agree.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 The bigest problem in the world is that we do not ahve a right to hate every bad thing and every bad person. Thankfully we do. When Jesus died on the cross, that satisfied it all and we dont have to negociate anymore.Everythings gone. It all went on him, it was all paid for perfectly completely.And there is an oportunity for everyone who has sined to be redeemed and washed completely and perfectly.There is no humanitarian evil and compromise anymore.Just all good.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz We do have a right to hate anything, eveything, anybody and everybody in the world if we wanted to.
I don't believe in God, in the Holy Spirit, in the Bible, and that Jesus rose from the cross. So there is no point what so ever telling me all this. No not everything is all good.... If it was we wouldn't be having this discussion on the hate and judgment of sames*x love/sex/marrige.
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 I couldnt live without that.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz Yes, I completley agree with you that when YOU make the wrong decision, it's in YOUR place to move over to the right one. Not just you, but anybody. This doesn't mean homosexuality is a decision, it in no way effects your body physically or your brain mentally.
There are 1 thousand 5 hundred animals species, on our planet today that display homosexual behavior including humans. Are these animals being perversive? If yes what possible reason or influence do they have?
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 If it is made ok or aceptable that gay people have sex and are attracted to each other and not at least seen as a rotten apple or a dead twig, that affects the strait peoples view of thie rbody and when you hear american evangelists say "we need to protect the institution of mariage." some of them dont know hwat they're talking about and in their mind are just being puritst, but there is a sens ein which the phraze is very accurate indeed.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz ... please explain to me in what matter and how exactly (do not involve religion in your answer please, because I don't believe in God or Goddess and we will reach an impass, where we can't have a discussion because of different religious beliefs and we won't have any agreements) does heterosexual (The marriage you believe in) marriage need to be protected by homosexual love/sex/marriage?
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 Because, unlike other differences between individuals, the issue of sex and sexuality is grieved by the concept that these parts and functionalities of the body can be used for something else it should be used for. It doesnt make any sense. It just looks good how you say it should be alowed bt its like a porn rollercoaster and nothing else.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz Oh! I get it! You think that these people should be using their p*nises and v*ginas to reproduce with people they are not sexual attracted to even FURTHER overpopulate our planet (overpopulated by 3 billion people), which in effect creates more pollution, higher pverty rates, worser economy, higher hunger rate, less food for people and less jobs! which in also in affect, creates broken families where the gay parent can't be with the straight one and splits the family!Oooh!
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@desasterz I am a straight person, and I can tell you that it does not in anyway affect my view on my body or any one elses. I know what a p*nis is and what a v*gina is, I don't care where someone wants to put theirs, it's not your buisness or anyone else's choice or decision to tell them where they should put it. If it effects straight peoples body, we obviously are very mentally vulnerable, shallow, self conscious beings and judgemental people that can't mind their own buisness
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 Replace the word shallow with deep and I'll agree wiht you.Againe you are dishonouring the vulnerable and untouchability of a person!A person is ment to be, and technicly and is meant to be aknowlaged to me Shalom. It means fullness, wholeness.A person is not alterable.Thats why you dont rape babies.Jujemental mans a perosn who is devoting his life ot jujing,but jujemental is the right thing in an other sense.Because we are Shalom moral beings.All round the compas
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz I'm starting to think your a troll... (you're not serious about what your saying and joking)
I find it very fascinated that what a gay couple does in there bed bothers you so much that it makes you forget where your p*nis wants to go! I'm trully sorry you have this problem and suggest seeing a doctor, hon.
If you want to continue any argument please talk to me through my account, not on this comment board, it gets hard to keep track of who says what and where
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 And you dont need a reason or an influence for something to be perverted. Do not think that how people think is all normal. It is not all just bad experience, bad influence or even self interest that makes us do evil. By self interest, I dont mean that it should be of self interest to do evil, but self interest, like, being selfish gets you more cake and so on. It is not only that kind of self interest that leads people to do wicked things.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz Read 'the animal displaying homosexual behavior' article from Wikipedia.
I suggest you read it,before you reply to this.I'll know if you read it or not by the context of how you'll reply to my question and if you make a fool out of yourself.If these animals have no reason or influence, like you said,does that mean they were born that way?You say there wasn't any influence/ reason for them to be gay growing up, so how did they become gay? Born that way
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
@MusicFreak9646 Well there isnt any reason or influence for any baby to go upto another baby and argue with him.You may have forgoten what it looks like when babies argue. They were born like that and everybody knows its wrong. And they sure know it is too. If you see homosexual sex as a good thing or acceptable, it deosnt make you gay,but it effects he vew you have of your sex with your spouse.You cant have one without the other.Its like lies with the truth,it just doesnt work.
desasterz 1 month ago
@desasterz No, it doesnt effect the 'way' I have sex with my partner, we don't have the same sex as homosexuels. I don't know about you, but when I have intercourse I don't think about other people's sex lives, its really none of my buisness and im busy.....
But we arent going to agree with each other obviously... if you want to continue, again please dont continue on this conversation board, here's my email: baconmonster@hotmail.ca
Only if you want to continue this convo
MusicFreak9646 1 month ago
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@desasterz
mind if I point out a few fallacies?
"Well there isnt any reason or influence for any baby to go upto another baby and argue with him"
huh? since when can you claim to know intimately the mind of a baby sufficiently to declare it has no reason for doing anything? what an absurd thing to say.
"but it effects he vew you have of your sex with your spouse" - yes, I suppose.so what? does it make it worse, or better for you? or neither? what is your point here?
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
Watch the debate with Hitchens and Turek too.
bryanchance100 1 month ago
Hitchens and Fry on the same side. Your argument is automatically invalid!
Eniacbc 1 month ago 57
@Eniacbc They've both been wrong on many many many times. Stephen Fry's wrong even about his Bi-Polar. Its an emotional reaction to a certain opinion of the world. And you can tell his opinion on the world when he talks. I can see exactly what his dipression is. Everyone who tries to continue on that thinking about people having that bi polar disorder are disgraceful and stupid and abusive.
desasterz 1 month ago
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"The one unforgivable sin is to be boring." - Christopher Hitchens
autumncathedral 1 month ago
This was perhaps the best and most one sided debate I've ever seen, Atheism is such an easy subject to argue against religion but when its got two brilliant minds like Fry and Hitchens (R.I.P) fighting its corner, its genuinely thrilling to watch. As well as very funny . . . "FIRST a cab and then the police" What a line!
ripper7070 1 month ago
Hitchslap rhymes with bitchslap
espyd21c 1 month ago