Seven Days of Creation: Part 1 of 5, Genesis 1: 1-5

[barrybrum]

Likewise, thank you. Yes, we will find the answer, if not here, then assuredly in His presence. 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. (and all things as he has made them) Barry

[P4hs]

God didn't create it all in one instance? What about Sirach 18:1 (which formed the core of Augustine's cosmology in De Genesi Ad Litteram): "Qui vivit in aeternum creavit omnia simul" ("He who lives in eternity created all thing together / at once.")? Now this doesn't negate the fact that God is still creating now (Jn 5:17). But it just says that God created all things simultaneously in a "seminal" way (again quoting Augustine), in the beginning. My advice: Always be careful what you deny.

[barrybrum]

@P4hs I do not accept Sirach as being inspired of God. Jesus referenced the entire Jewish Old Testament canon and never included the Apocrypha. Jewish leaders rejected Apocrypha. Origen, Cyril, and Athanasius, spoke against the Apocrypha. Jerome rejected the Apocrypha in the Latin Vulgate. Paul told Timothy, 2 Tim 3:17) "the scripture we have is "sufficient for every good work." I believe that in God’s sovereign wisdom He has ordained that which remains in Christian scripture today. Brum

[DarbyRides]

sirach? You can't use a fable to make a comparison to the Biblical story of creation.

[jubjubmh316]

So what do you think the bible means when taking about the firmament between the 2 waters, the ocean, the sky, and what is the waters above the firmament?

[barrybrum]

@jubjubmh316 In Genesis 1:6-7, the term “expanse” (without “of the heavens” added) was referring to the earth's crust. Liquid water (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, vapor, clouds, and rain) were above this crust. Liquid, solid or gaseous state (subterranean) waters were below (beneath) the crust of the earth (subterranean interstitial, fissure, and karst). I do not adhere to the “canopy theory”.

[mattandpatti222]

Let the Light come to be: and light came to be in Gen. 1:3 is not the sun and moon. This is when He made Yashayah our Savior. He is the LIGHT the WORLD. Sun and moon are in Gen. 1:16.

[barrybrum]

@mattandpatti222 Jesus is God incarnate and always existed. John 1: 1-3 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God. 2 He (Jesus) was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him (Jesus), and without Him (Jesus) nothing was made that was made. John 10:30 I and the Father are one.” Jesus said that He is eternal: John 8:57-58 "I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!"

[barrybrum]

@mattandpatti222 Genesis 1:3 is not a referral to Jesus. Here are two of the scriptures referring to Jesus as a spiritual “light” unto men:

John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

John 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (This is not referring to physical darkness, but of spiritual darkness of men)

[mkl62]

I am an ELCA Lutheran from South Carolina. Today (January 8, The Baptism of Our Lord), this was the Old Testament Lesson of the Day.

[SueAapro1]

The word “heaven” written in the Bible is synonymous with the scientific word “space.”

The word “earth” written in the Bible is synonymous with the scientific word “mass.”

The word “light” written in the Bible is synonymous with the scientific word “energy.”

Am I correct?

[barrybrum]

@SueAapro1 You’re correct, also wise to look for evidence of Creation. Resurrected, Jesus appeared to His disciples in the upper room and Thomas was not present (John 20:24). Told by the others they’d seen the risen Lord, Thomas insisted to see the evidence. "Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails . . . I will not believe" (v.25). When Jesus again appeared, Thomas was present. Jesus did not chastise Thomas for asking for evidence. God validates His Truth with evidence.

[SueAapro1]

@barrybrum

Thank you for answering.

I believe that the Bible contains the truth and that the scientists are looking for the truth.

Since heaven, earth and light, are same as space, mass, and energy, then this scientific “trinity” that exists within all matter maybe equivalent to the “trinity” in the scriptures.

[barrybrum]

@SueAapro1 In the BEGINNING (time), God CREATED (energy), the HEAVENS (space), and the EARTH (matter). Time has three elements, past, present, future. Space is three-dimensional, height, width, and depth. Matter is made up of atoms which consist of three basic components, protons, neutrons and electrons. Time, space, and matter each are made up of three separate parts which are part of the whole, none of the three parts can exist without the other two, and yet each part is distinct.

[SueAapro1]

@barrybrum

Interesting.

I think that the concept can be extended even deeper into the structure of matter.

For instance, the electron is said to have a wavelength associated with it, wherever there is a wave there must be something that moves, (mass?) for something to move, there must be space where it can move. According to physics, whenever something moves it contains kinetic energy.

So; even a single electron contains the “trinity” of space, mass, and energy.

[barrybrum]

@SueAapro1 Right again. MOVEMENT in an electron’s “orbital” energy levels near the nucleus are known as excursion length/amplitude, and quiver velocity/energy. Yes, electrons exist within SPACE and since it has MASS it also takes up space. The electron’s mass is shown as Me = 9.11*10^{-31} kg. Electrons increase ENERGY as their atoms absorb energy, and electrons lose ENERGY by emitting light. Electrons contain energy from their ground state, through ionization, to being agitated. B

[SueAapro1]

@barrybrum

Looking at properties of electrons from Wikipedia, I got the information that there are two different sizes attributed to the electron , one is larger than the other.

I suspect that the electron actually increases and decreases in size, like a balloon that is inflated and deflated alternately.

If that is true, then the volume of space within the electron mass would increase and decrease, and that internal space would be inseparable part of the electron. A true “trinity”.

[barrybrum]

@SueAapro1 Are you referring to electron affinity decrease because of the increase in size of the host atoms? For size first you need em2 / mc2 . e = the electron’s charge, m = mass and c = speed of light. In numbers, it reads as 2.81777×10-13 cm or rounded off as: 2.82 x 10-13 cm. Keep in mind that electrons are classified as “point particles.”, which are considered to be non-spatial, taking up no space as 3d objects do. Sort of like God is with us yet not bumping into us.

[SueAapro1]

@barrybrum

I am unable to imagine how a point of mass could have all the observed effects such as charge, magnetism, gravity, and wavelength.

The bubble idea would explain those and many more effects.

[barrybrum]

@SueAapro1 Consider the space between the nucleus and the electron? What holds and steers the electrons in order to keep them from crashing into and destroying each other? I'll help you with this much, it’s called the "god particle" by scientists, the still unknown "thing" that holds everything together in man and the universe. I will place my money on the “unknown thing” that holds everything together as being God the father. Brum

[SueAapro1]

@barrybrum

I do not understand how a “particle” could hold everything together, but I do understand how the “trinity” of the fluctuating bubble could do it.

God is referred to as “trinity” in the scriptures. Meaning that God is everywhere and in everything in the universe.

Is my idea wrong?

[barrybrum]

@SueAapro1 If you are referring to Neuro-Spiritual Quantum Consciousnes, it’s an incomplete theory. If you’re referring to Bubble Universes, keep in mind that the quantum mechanical vacuum state necessary for a Bubble Universe is dependent on previously existing substratum of space-time. Bubble believers ignore that one point that demands an answer… where did all that space-time come from to begin with? God said, I AM. The Alpha and the Omega. That's everything from beginning to end.

[SueAapro1]

@barrybrum

I agree that God IS Alpha and Omega and the creator who caused the “space/heaven“, “mass/earth“, and “energy/light” to come into existence, everything in the infinite universe is part of this “trinity”.

Father = Creator, Son = Creation, Holy Spirit = Life.

Electrons and everything else must contain this trinity of space, mass, and energy.

The bubble would explain how the electron and the universe works.

[barrybrum]

@SueAapro1 The principle of causality states that everything that is finite demands a cause. If we do not postulate some infinite “First Cause,” (God) we are left with an infinite regress, which not only is ridiculous due to its zero plausibility, but, is obviously an infantile (and hopeless) state of denial in order to be under no authority. Bowing of the heart and mind to our Creator is a big ego slap to those without Christ. As to the actuality of the bubble theory, only God knows.

[SueAapro1]

@barrybrum

I agree.

As for the bubble theory, at this moment in time, the Creator may be the only one that knows for sure, (perhaps the angels have that knowledge also) but He has granted us with the ability and wisdom to seek knowledge from His creation, so that we may grow in understanding and appreciation of His work. God willing we will find the answer.

Thank you for the intelligent dialogue.

[doh1959]

the mystery of who we are why we are and where we are going is truly fascinating whether you believe in god or not you have to admit the more we discover by science the closer the story of the bible comes .fascinating

[FknHectic]

All answers are located in His book,everything we need for salvation and eternal life is located inside its pages.Genesis 1:1 "In the begining God created the Heaven and the Earth" Had he not explained how he did what he did,we would all be questioning that. This almighty creator and sustainer of life took dust of the earth and "Breathed into it the breath of life and man became a living soul" Why question anything that God says? Your wasting time,its much easier to accept + START BELIEVING!

[ringsho100]

Genesis 1:5 On the first day there was morning and evening. This must not be confused. some think how on first day there could be 24 hours. Actually when God created light there was already dark in half of the globe and meanwhile there was light on the other parts which project towards the sun. When God created the earth it was revolving and rotating around the sun.

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