Go believe in the fairy tale history of England if you will. I have no illusions about the pathetic past of the United States. In the end though, my "country", the good ole USA, will dissolve itself just as it should. I look forward to it just as my Confederate ancestors did 149 years ago. And in the same token I hope that Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Malvenas will help dissolve the Great Britain. May they throw off the yoke of you Limey bastards and your international bankers.
@tortugabob The NI, Welsh and Scots can vote on full independence whenever they wish. They don't though, because they're all propped up by taxes from Westminster. And up until recently the British government at Westminster was mostly made up of Scots. Blair & Brown are both Scots, so is Cameron (his father was Scottish), as are many other MPs in Westminster. NI, Wales and Scottland all have their own independant governments. Only England hasn't got its own independant government. Some yoke, uh?
The English also "discovered" Tahiti and Hawaii. That didn't mean they got to keep them. Face it, the English want to hold on to the Malvenas because they think there may be oil around it. They really don't give a shit about the people who live there. No more than they give a shit about the people who live in any number of their other former colonies.
The English are responsible for most to the troubles in the Middle East right now. They stabbed the Arabs in the back at the end of WW1 when they promised the zionists a homeland in Palestine. The terms dictated by your banking interests to Germany after WW1 virtually assurred the rise of Hitler and WW2. The English promised war with Germany if they invaded one half Poland but remained allies with the Soviet Union when they invaded the other half!
Ever hear the expression, "Every dog has its day"? As it was with the Egyptians, Romans, French, Germans, British and many other powers, so it will be with the US. Knowledge is power, not just brawn. Unfortunately, the Yanks seem to always fall over their own ignorance and stupidity. They think tanks, aircraft carriers and bombers win wars. They didn't prove to work in Vietnam, did they? Nope, our big mouthed red neck cretin proves why the US will eventually fall.
The only reason we're still in those countries is more people want us in than out. And our history is not sordid, we have a lustrous history of being steadfast and honourable. What's you're history, the war of indipendance, a civil war, the world wars and present. Anyway, I cant be held responsible for what happened over 200 years ago! The main problems with southeast asia is NATO and the cold war, so noone person can be blamed for that.
You may not believe it but I would venture that within 50 years (maybe 25!) you will see the dissolution of the United States into separate areas having the same concept of rule, taxes and even ethnicity. Just as surely as the old Soviet Union fell apart in the 1990s it is going to happen. Face it, Washington DC, Wall St and international banking have just about stripped this country bare of its wealth, reputation and honor. I'm afraid YOUR United States is on its last legs.
I'm English, actually, but no matter. I love the way you're comparing a communist country, run by a group of tyrants making sure everyone else was the same, to its polar opposite, the United States of America. The soviet Union collapsed because communism doesn't work, A farmer who produces twice as much as another gets paid the same, it's a ridiculous system. At this moment in time, the USD is riding higher than a lot of currencies in the world, it's as wealthy as any western country.
The way I see it if you're English you don't have a dog in this fight. You should study your own sordid history. I'd say the vestiges of your English colonial past are a major cause of most of the problems in the Middle East and Southeast Asia today. Then there is Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Malvinas. Time for the English to get out and let rightful owners of those lands have them.
I can study, and be adept at, anything I want. I've learned all the important things im british history right back to the battle of Hastings, or perhaps that's too obscure for you, anyway, maybe you should study British history and get out of that nice oblivious hole you're in.
The Falklands are populated by people who are quite happy to be British. Are you suggesting their land should be "given" to a different foreign power. Possibly discovered by the Dutch,definitely by the British 1690,they have been strongly British since 1833-surely they have the right to decide where their interests lie?Similarly,the Welsh,Scots and Northern Irish can choose independence if they want.
@tortugabob You've been watching way too many Mel Gibson films. And what would the US be like if it wasn't for us English? For one thing you wouldn't be talking in that crude form of ENGLISH. Anyone for wearing sombreros? Nope, no Thanksgiving. No Stars & Stripes. No Coca Cola. No Harley Davidson. No Baseball. No US Football. No George Washington. No Thomas Jefferson. No Founding Fathers. No Apple Pie. No "Star-Spangled Banner". No Dr. Pepper. No Abraham Lincoln. No. Henry Ford. Need I go on?
As early as 1815 several of the states in New England had threateded to secede. They even held conventions about it. Today there are many secession movements in this country. Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont, the Pacific Northwest, and of course the South to name a few. And why are they doing it? Because they are as sick and tired of the parasitic class on Wall St. and Washington, DC as the South Carolinians were when they signed to Nullification Act on December 20th, 1860.
as long as more voters in each state want to stay in the free world, then the separtatists can spit and howl all they want but unless there is a mass cull of voters or some president makes a terrible mistake and they are going to stay in the union, just like democracy decrees.
The people who really run this country still cannot tell the truth about the War for Southern Secession. They are the same people who have treated the US as an economic colony since its founding. I'm talking about Wall St and the parasitic class that run it.
I'm sure they know a fair amount about your civil war, however, tha 'parasitic class' is part of what defines your country, just like the 'heritage' of the south is part of your country's fabric.
First off if you want to argue with me let us get some definitions correct. A civil war is where two or more parties fight to control one government or territory. The Confederacy was not trying to take control of the government in Washington, DC. or the entire U.S States. They were trying to secede from the U.S. The sessession was a declaration of independence from the U.S. The right of secession was demanded and documented by some of the states before they would join the U.S. in 1776.
The confederates weren't fighting to take the governemtn, but they were fighting for the control of their own states, the same states that the unionists were fighting for. Also, any war can be described as two factions fighting for the same governement or territory, that's what war is.
There was NEVER a CSS Merrimack only a USS Merrimack. And the phrase Monitor and Merrimack does not sound cool to a Southerner. The ship that carried the banner of the Confederacy that day was the CSS Virginia. That's the final word on this subject. And by the way, the war was not about slavery either.
Well, it wasn't, it was about state's rights, but the argument was sparked over the issue of the federal government banning slavery. So it is safe to say that the war was in part fought over the right to keep slaves. A right which I brook no sympathy for.
The South could have kept their slaves if they had stayed in the Union. The war was about tariffs and free trade. The South could trade cotton to the French and English and buy far better made goods from those countries than the could from the Northern industrialized states. But the North wanted that cotton cheap and they wanted to protect their manufacturing industry and especially their textile industry in New England.
Lincoln and the majority of Northerners didn't give a damn about the slaves. Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclaimation in 1863. That was 2.5 years after South Carolina passed the Nullification Act. The Emancipation Proclaimation didn't free one slave in the slave holding states that had stayed in the Union or the states that had been recaptured by Union forces. It was a ploy to keep Britain and France from coming into the war on the side of the Confederacy.
The Unionist Army was better equipped than the Confederate Army so what does that tell you about the North's industry? You fight a good argument, most thought provoking.
It is generally accepted that a ship should keep it's name if captured, for example ' La Pucelle was a French-made 74 that was captured by the Royal Navy and as a tribute to the gallantry of its former crew, the ship kept its name. It is reasonable, since most records of the ship can be traced back to seamen that recognised the merrimak's hull and thought the Confederate Navy would be gracious enough to keep its name, that there would be some confusion.
The USS Merrimack was not captured. She was scuttled by Union forces who set her on fire as she lay at anchor in Hampton Roads, Va. She burned to the water line. The Confederate Navy owed no obligation to the Union to name her the Merrimack. The Union Navy didn't think enough of her to try to take her North when they were retreating out of Virginia during the early stages of the war.
The Union Navy hadn't the time to take her, and better to attempt to scuttle her than allow a hostile military to take her, all anvies do it, Nelson did it, the Germans did it in both world wars etc. No naval captain would consider such a mighty frigate as the USS Merrimack insignifacant, the scuttling of a chaisse marrie would not be undertaken lightly.
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15Whoohoo 11 months ago
@tortugabob - you're right on one thing, it was the CSS Virginia. But the war was about slavery. Like it or not.
mkeithharris 1 year ago
Go believe in the fairy tale history of England if you will. I have no illusions about the pathetic past of the United States. In the end though, my "country", the good ole USA, will dissolve itself just as it should. I look forward to it just as my Confederate ancestors did 149 years ago. And in the same token I hope that Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Malvenas will help dissolve the Great Britain. May they throw off the yoke of you Limey bastards and your international bankers.
tortugabob 2 years ago
@tortugabob The NI, Welsh and Scots can vote on full independence whenever they wish. They don't though, because they're all propped up by taxes from Westminster. And up until recently the British government at Westminster was mostly made up of Scots. Blair & Brown are both Scots, so is Cameron (his father was Scottish), as are many other MPs in Westminster. NI, Wales and Scottland all have their own independant governments. Only England hasn't got its own independant government. Some yoke, uh?
Bubo25 1 year ago
The English also "discovered" Tahiti and Hawaii. That didn't mean they got to keep them. Face it, the English want to hold on to the Malvenas because they think there may be oil around it. They really don't give a shit about the people who live there. No more than they give a shit about the people who live in any number of their other former colonies.
tortugabob 2 years ago
The English are responsible for most to the troubles in the Middle East right now. They stabbed the Arabs in the back at the end of WW1 when they promised the zionists a homeland in Palestine. The terms dictated by your banking interests to Germany after WW1 virtually assurred the rise of Hitler and WW2. The English promised war with Germany if they invaded one half Poland but remained allies with the Soviet Union when they invaded the other half!
tortugabob 2 years ago
@tortugabob are you fucking kidding me? do the the words iraq and and Afghanistan mean anything to you?
typical yank talking like it's own shit doesn't stink.
No surprise coming from a Red neck, i do sincerely do hope USA breaks apart.
then us Limey's!! can laugh as uncle Sam's home caves in on itself.
NidalMalik 1 year ago
@NidalMalik And Vietnam.
Ever hear the expression, "Every dog has its day"? As it was with the Egyptians, Romans, French, Germans, British and many other powers, so it will be with the US. Knowledge is power, not just brawn. Unfortunately, the Yanks seem to always fall over their own ignorance and stupidity. They think tanks, aircraft carriers and bombers win wars. They didn't prove to work in Vietnam, did they? Nope, our big mouthed red neck cretin proves why the US will eventually fall.
Bubo25 1 year ago
The only reason we're still in those countries is more people want us in than out. And our history is not sordid, we have a lustrous history of being steadfast and honourable. What's you're history, the war of indipendance, a civil war, the world wars and present. Anyway, I cant be held responsible for what happened over 200 years ago! The main problems with southeast asia is NATO and the cold war, so noone person can be blamed for that.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
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tortugabob 2 years ago
You may not believe it but I would venture that within 50 years (maybe 25!) you will see the dissolution of the United States into separate areas having the same concept of rule, taxes and even ethnicity. Just as surely as the old Soviet Union fell apart in the 1990s it is going to happen. Face it, Washington DC, Wall St and international banking have just about stripped this country bare of its wealth, reputation and honor. I'm afraid YOUR United States is on its last legs.
tortugabob 2 years ago
I'm English, actually, but no matter. I love the way you're comparing a communist country, run by a group of tyrants making sure everyone else was the same, to its polar opposite, the United States of America. The soviet Union collapsed because communism doesn't work, A farmer who produces twice as much as another gets paid the same, it's a ridiculous system. At this moment in time, the USD is riding higher than a lot of currencies in the world, it's as wealthy as any western country.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
The way I see it if you're English you don't have a dog in this fight. You should study your own sordid history. I'd say the vestiges of your English colonial past are a major cause of most of the problems in the Middle East and Southeast Asia today. Then there is Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Malvinas. Time for the English to get out and let rightful owners of those lands have them.
tortugabob 2 years ago
I can study, and be adept at, anything I want. I've learned all the important things im british history right back to the battle of Hastings, or perhaps that's too obscure for you, anyway, maybe you should study British history and get out of that nice oblivious hole you're in.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago 2
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tortugabob 2 years ago
The Falklands are populated by people who are quite happy to be British. Are you suggesting their land should be "given" to a different foreign power. Possibly discovered by the Dutch,definitely by the British 1690,they have been strongly British since 1833-surely they have the right to decide where their interests lie?Similarly,the Welsh,Scots and Northern Irish can choose independence if they want.
adventussaxonum 2 years ago
@tortugabob You've been watching way too many Mel Gibson films. And what would the US be like if it wasn't for us English? For one thing you wouldn't be talking in that crude form of ENGLISH. Anyone for wearing sombreros? Nope, no Thanksgiving. No Stars & Stripes. No Coca Cola. No Harley Davidson. No Baseball. No US Football. No George Washington. No Thomas Jefferson. No Founding Fathers. No Apple Pie. No "Star-Spangled Banner". No Dr. Pepper. No Abraham Lincoln. No. Henry Ford. Need I go on?
Bubo25 1 year ago
As early as 1815 several of the states in New England had threateded to secede. They even held conventions about it. Today there are many secession movements in this country. Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont, the Pacific Northwest, and of course the South to name a few. And why are they doing it? Because they are as sick and tired of the parasitic class on Wall St. and Washington, DC as the South Carolinians were when they signed to Nullification Act on December 20th, 1860.
tortugabob 2 years ago
as long as more voters in each state want to stay in the free world, then the separtatists can spit and howl all they want but unless there is a mass cull of voters or some president makes a terrible mistake and they are going to stay in the union, just like democracy decrees.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
The people who really run this country still cannot tell the truth about the War for Southern Secession. They are the same people who have treated the US as an economic colony since its founding. I'm talking about Wall St and the parasitic class that run it.
tortugabob 2 years ago
I'm sure they know a fair amount about your civil war, however, tha 'parasitic class' is part of what defines your country, just like the 'heritage' of the south is part of your country's fabric.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
First off if you want to argue with me let us get some definitions correct. A civil war is where two or more parties fight to control one government or territory. The Confederacy was not trying to take control of the government in Washington, DC. or the entire U.S States. They were trying to secede from the U.S. The sessession was a declaration of independence from the U.S. The right of secession was demanded and documented by some of the states before they would join the U.S. in 1776.
tortugabob 2 years ago
The confederates weren't fighting to take the governemtn, but they were fighting for the control of their own states, the same states that the unionists were fighting for. Also, any war can be described as two factions fighting for the same governement or territory, that's what war is.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
There was NEVER a CSS Merrimack only a USS Merrimack. And the phrase Monitor and Merrimack does not sound cool to a Southerner. The ship that carried the banner of the Confederacy that day was the CSS Virginia. That's the final word on this subject. And by the way, the war was not about slavery either.
tortugabob 3 years ago 8
Well, it wasn't, it was about state's rights, but the argument was sparked over the issue of the federal government banning slavery. So it is safe to say that the war was in part fought over the right to keep slaves. A right which I brook no sympathy for.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
The South could have kept their slaves if they had stayed in the Union. The war was about tariffs and free trade. The South could trade cotton to the French and English and buy far better made goods from those countries than the could from the Northern industrialized states. But the North wanted that cotton cheap and they wanted to protect their manufacturing industry and especially their textile industry in New England.
tortugabob 2 years ago
Lincoln and the majority of Northerners didn't give a damn about the slaves. Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclaimation in 1863. That was 2.5 years after South Carolina passed the Nullification Act. The Emancipation Proclaimation didn't free one slave in the slave holding states that had stayed in the Union or the states that had been recaptured by Union forces. It was a ploy to keep Britain and France from coming into the war on the side of the Confederacy.
tortugabob 2 years ago
The Unionist Army was better equipped than the Confederate Army so what does that tell you about the North's industry? You fight a good argument, most thought provoking.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
It is generally accepted that a ship should keep it's name if captured, for example ' La Pucelle was a French-made 74 that was captured by the Royal Navy and as a tribute to the gallantry of its former crew, the ship kept its name. It is reasonable, since most records of the ship can be traced back to seamen that recognised the merrimak's hull and thought the Confederate Navy would be gracious enough to keep its name, that there would be some confusion.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
The USS Merrimack was not captured. She was scuttled by Union forces who set her on fire as she lay at anchor in Hampton Roads, Va. She burned to the water line. The Confederate Navy owed no obligation to the Union to name her the Merrimack. The Union Navy didn't think enough of her to try to take her North when they were retreating out of Virginia during the early stages of the war.
tortugabob 2 years ago
The Union Navy hadn't the time to take her, and better to attempt to scuttle her than allow a hostile military to take her, all anvies do it, Nelson did it, the Germans did it in both world wars etc. No naval captain would consider such a mighty frigate as the USS Merrimack insignifacant, the scuttling of a chaisse marrie would not be undertaken lightly.
mypassionisswords 2 years ago
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zirploxington134 3 years ago
Yeah it's called the CSS Virginia
nostradamusguy 3 years ago 2
the hull was the merrimack the top deck is the virginia plus "The Monitor and The Merrimack" sounds cooler not "The Monitor and The Virginia"
Maddisser101 3 years ago
Except it wasn't the "Merrimack", it was the CSS Virginia... built on the old hull of the Merrimack.
pferdflecker 4 years ago 5