DONT READ THIS CAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS YOULL BE KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. TOMORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE POSSIBLE HOWEVER IF U DONT POST THIS TO ATLEAST THREE VIDEOS OR YOU WILL DIE WITHIN TWO DAYS.NOW UV STARTED READING THIS DONT STOP THIS IS SO SCARY PUT THIS ON AT LEAST FIVE VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN YOUR DONE PRESS F6 AND YOUR LOVERS NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS THIS IS SO SCARY IT
@Joshl92 he is more powerful and he is imortal if you didn't know that and if you think im wrong look for the info on shadow the hedgehog and see for yourself.
@w0nd100 dud immortal also means invicible not just ageless and dont forget he is the ultimate life form not just mere hedgehog like sonic.shadow is created to be perfect keep that in mind.
@Sepulcture if he was invincible his game play would be pointless...."oh you shot me, guess im not dead".."oh i dont need to collect rings because i cant die". and what happens when he collects an invincible box...he gets double invincibility or what... As a character he doesn't make sense lol
@Sepulcture Shadow is immortal but not invincible. If he was invincible he wouldn't have needed to go Super to beat The Final Hazzard,Devil Doom, or Solaris.
@AWSNATION Shadow is more powerful than Sonic. He can use Chaos Control without an emerald, Chaos Spear, become Dark Shadow and use Chaos Blast and become Hero Shadow. Shadow can also take off his rings and WTF pwn Sonic but that will never happen in a game. Even in the Brotherhood Game Shadow says Sonic might be faster than him but he's more powerful.
@AWSNATION They aren't. If Shadow takes off his rings he gets stronger and faster. If Shadow becomes Dark Shadow he can use Chaos Blast. Shadow is stronger than Sonic. Don't deny this.
@AWSNATION I will not leave you alone about this because you are lying. Prove Sonic and Shadow are the same strength. I've already given facts about why Shadow's base form is stronger than Sonic's base form. All your doing is running away from the issue. Coward. You won't even defend your opinion.
@ImmaBritannian play sonic adventure 2 and sonic battle sonic and shadow are the same strenght and it's a fact and you're stupid and gay. Who EVEN cares who's stronger? Sonic is not life, you're just a little nerd who is gay over Shadow. Me i'm going to be real. You're gay Sonic and Shadow are the same strenght. And you're arguing over soomething stupid about who's stronger. You are an immature brat. You know that. No one even cares about you're opinion. They are the smae strnght. Get over it.
@AWSNATION In Sonic Battle Shadow was stronger AND Faster than Sonic. You tried to insult me by calling me a nerd but you still haven't proven why Sonic and Shadow are the same strength. Try again.
@ImmaBritannian wrong and thats not an insult and if you played sonic adventure 2 you would know. You are a nerd for arguing over stupid shit. I swear this is one of the stupidest confersation i have ever had. Sonic and Shadow are the same strenght but who cares anyway. Sonic is not life. Stop treating it like life. You need Jesus. And PS. Neither of them can hold a candle to the DBZ charecters.
@AWSNATION I do have Sonic Adventure 2. Characters abilities have changed since then(Sonic can run on water, Shadow can fly in Sonic Generations). In Shadow the Hedgehog Shadow gained a bunch of chaos abilities that make him superior to Sonic. Jesus doesn't exist bro. Also the Archie Comic version of the Sonic characters can make DBZ look like nothing but the Archie Comic is non canon so it doesn't matter.
@ImmaBritannian you have crossed the line bro. I hope yo dumbass get sent straight to hell with that shit. Jesus is real. Go to church for once. He is real and he is with us. God sent his own son to die on the cross for our sins. And you don't believe in him then you ain't going to hell, you are going in the abyss. You better change and you better believe in jesus.
@AWSNATION Humanity does not react well to people telling them what to believe. It doesn't matter what you think is right, you have no right to tell people that they have to believe what you do. In the end, you do not turn them to your belief, you only make them more resistant to the idea, and you and them become enemies.
That is the way humans work.
You were foolish to bring up your belief on something THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
@AWSNATION -_- Hilarious. Your intelligently constructed response has utterly defeated me.
My god, is this what passes for an intelligent Christain these days?
That "other dude" is allowed to believe... or not believe... whatever he wants, as are you. Shoving what that is in other people's faces makes you a retarded asshole.
And your terrible comebacks are laughable, even for a human.
@nizer555 Sonic is better he's faster and STRONGER but shadow is fast in teleporting Shadow lost because SOnic wuz in Super and Shadow wasn't fighting aggressively
darn it... i bet shadow's gonna win.... becuase can't you guys tell? every time someone is losing. they start to win and then wins! ...... joshl you better make sonic win...
@Joshl92 Just ignore the fag... I would love to see his expression if Shadow won.. Probably post retarded videos stating ' I HATE YOU!! TROLL TROLL TROLL'
@BloodSonicFlux Heh I read the message on Gmail... sorry I didnt know what was going on,you know people can do that sometimes =P.Sorry but I wanna know too.I didnt mean it on a bad way,well,respond if you can... cya around.
XD. dude calm down. i was just having some fun. Regarding a part 2 i've been very lazy when it comes to animating. I was working on an ichigo vs vegeta but just lost all interest on it. So a part 2 to this will probably come out sooner or later.
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Freakin sweet. Just wondering did you get these ideas any chance by the create of FinalFantasy Sonic X, Or Sonic RPG? I ask because i got the same ideas from em aswel.
nice!!
brynglove00 3 weeks ago
Nice. Can you give me the link to the super sonic sprite sheet?
sonic90001000 1 month ago
anybody who names them self after sonic is a sonic fag, just sayin.
not just sayin sonic. anybody who names themselves after any character is a fagget
bigc5544 1 month ago
it's need name at Sonic's Revenge!
felipe10032002 2 months ago
I don't know if it's the music, but I love this flash.
FrSpriterMan 2 months ago
4R6K7-MJGY3-T2KDD-CJFP6-29XXZ
Joshl92 2 months ago
@Joshl92 we dont know whats the for
superman11111000 2 months ago
did u make this with paint
ellingtonmalik 2 months ago
@ellingtonmalik no he used flash man u see the moyea icon above?
dbzawesome100 2 months ago
DONT READ THIS CAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS YOULL BE KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. TOMORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE POSSIBLE HOWEVER IF U DONT POST THIS TO ATLEAST THREE VIDEOS OR YOU WILL DIE WITHIN TWO DAYS.NOW UV STARTED READING THIS DONT STOP THIS IS SO SCARY PUT THIS ON AT LEAST FIVE VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN YOUR DONE PRESS F6 AND YOUR LOVERS NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS THIS IS SO SCARY IT
MegaSsj100 2 months ago
hahaha your intro its cool hahahahha
ana13sanchez 3 months ago
Sonic rofl stomped!
CrimsonVermillioneye 3 months ago
hahaha! lets go. yea!
ana13sanchez 3 months ago
que video tan estupido
androidshadow300 3 months ago
sonic is the best
AWSNATION 4 months ago
Sonic is tired of all of Shadow's crap.
ImmaBritannian 4 months ago
Can I have that 1st super sonic sprite where his back is to the video screen? I've been looking for it EVERYWHERE! D:
99HyperShadic 4 months ago
super :D
BatuTheHedgehog 4 months ago
shadow is 185 times more powerful of sonic
paulmarmol 4 months ago
@paulmarmol where did you get that number from?...
ArtistProductions 4 months ago
nice fight but it was kind of unfair for shadow to be regular and sonic be super
ilovebananas437 4 months ago
this vid sucks shadow always wins
nizer555 4 months ago
@nizer555
prove it...
Joshl92 4 months ago 2
@Joshl92 he is more powerful and he is imortal if you didn't know that and if you think im wrong look for the info on shadow the hedgehog and see for yourself.
nizer555 4 months ago
@nizer555
ok now answer my questions.
1. Do I give a shit?
2. Does it matter?
"OH NOEZ DIZ IZ NOT CANNON TO TEH STOREEY" "DIZ SUCKS!" Get out sonicfag
Joshl92 4 months ago
@nizer555 he's ageless and immortal but he's not invincible. he can be killed, he just doesn't age.
w0nd100 3 months ago
@w0nd100 dud immortal also means invicible not just ageless and dont forget he is the ultimate life form not just mere hedgehog like sonic.shadow is created to be perfect keep that in mind.
Sepulcture 3 months ago
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@Sepulcture if he was invincible his game play would be pointless...."oh you shot me, guess im not dead".."oh i dont need to collect rings because i cant die". and what happens when he collects an invincible box...he gets double invincibility or what... As a character he doesn't make sense lol
w0nd100 3 months ago
@Sepulcture Shadow is immortal but not invincible. If he was invincible he wouldn't have needed to go Super to beat The Final Hazzard,Devil Doom, or Solaris.
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w0nd100 3 months ago
@nizer555 lie
AWSNATION 4 months ago in playlist sprites
@nizer555 lie he's not powerful than sonic
AWSNATION 4 months ago in playlist sprites
@AWSNATION Shadow is more powerful than Sonic. He can use Chaos Control without an emerald, Chaos Spear, become Dark Shadow and use Chaos Blast and become Hero Shadow. Shadow can also take off his rings and WTF pwn Sonic but that will never happen in a game. Even in the Brotherhood Game Shadow says Sonic might be faster than him but he's more powerful.
ImmaBritannian 3 months ago
@ImmaBritannian sonic and shadow are the same strenght so leave me the hell alone
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION They aren't. If Shadow takes off his rings he gets stronger and faster. If Shadow becomes Dark Shadow he can use Chaos Blast. Shadow is stronger than Sonic. Don't deny this.
ImmaBritannian 3 months ago
@ImmaBritannian sonic and shadow are the same strenght end of story leave me alone
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION I will not leave you alone about this because you are lying. Prove Sonic and Shadow are the same strength. I've already given facts about why Shadow's base form is stronger than Sonic's base form. All your doing is running away from the issue. Coward. You won't even defend your opinion.
ImmaBritannian 3 months ago
@ImmaBritannian play sonic adventure 2 and sonic battle sonic and shadow are the same strenght and it's a fact and you're stupid and gay. Who EVEN cares who's stronger? Sonic is not life, you're just a little nerd who is gay over Shadow. Me i'm going to be real. You're gay Sonic and Shadow are the same strenght. And you're arguing over soomething stupid about who's stronger. You are an immature brat. You know that. No one even cares about you're opinion. They are the smae strnght. Get over it.
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION In Sonic Battle Shadow was stronger AND Faster than Sonic. You tried to insult me by calling me a nerd but you still haven't proven why Sonic and Shadow are the same strength. Try again.
ImmaBritannian 3 months ago
@ImmaBritannian wrong and thats not an insult and if you played sonic adventure 2 you would know. You are a nerd for arguing over stupid shit. I swear this is one of the stupidest confersation i have ever had. Sonic and Shadow are the same strenght but who cares anyway. Sonic is not life. Stop treating it like life. You need Jesus. And PS. Neither of them can hold a candle to the DBZ charecters.
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION I do have Sonic Adventure 2. Characters abilities have changed since then(Sonic can run on water, Shadow can fly in Sonic Generations). In Shadow the Hedgehog Shadow gained a bunch of chaos abilities that make him superior to Sonic. Jesus doesn't exist bro. Also the Archie Comic version of the Sonic characters can make DBZ look like nothing but the Archie Comic is non canon so it doesn't matter.
ImmaBritannian 3 months ago
@ImmaBritannian you have crossed the line bro. I hope yo dumbass get sent straight to hell with that shit. Jesus is real. Go to church for once. He is real and he is with us. God sent his own son to die on the cross for our sins. And you don't believe in him then you ain't going to hell, you are going in the abyss. You better change and you better believe in jesus.
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION You trollin' bro are you just stupid? Well I'm done here. Cuz now I'm just laughing. Thank you for the entertainment.
ImmaBritannian 3 months ago
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@ImmaBritannian i'm not trollin ass im speaking truth. And you are stupid cause you don't belive in jesus
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION You are a fool, not for believing in Jesus or God, but for shoving your belief in other people's faces.
BloodSonicFlux 3 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux what?
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION Humanity does not react well to people telling them what to believe. It doesn't matter what you think is right, you have no right to tell people that they have to believe what you do. In the end, you do not turn them to your belief, you only make them more resistant to the idea, and you and them become enemies.
That is the way humans work.
You were foolish to bring up your belief on something THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
BloodSonicFlux 3 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux what are you gay
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION Oh, how mature and intelligent you are! Calling someone gay because they are infintely smarter than you!
Grow a brain, grow a pair, and get a life.
BloodSonicFlux 3 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux are you gay
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION As a matter of fact, no. I'm simply knowledgeable from my observations of humans over the years.
Why does it matter?
BloodSonicFlux 3 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux you was riding that other dude dick
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION -_- Hilarious. Your intelligently constructed response has utterly defeated me.
My god, is this what passes for an intelligent Christain these days?
That "other dude" is allowed to believe... or not believe... whatever he wants, as are you. Shoving what that is in other people's faces makes you a retarded asshole.
And your terrible comebacks are laughable, even for a human.
How about I make it understandable for you?
(0M3 0N, FU(|<3R, D@7 @LL U G07?!
BloodSonicFlux 3 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux i wasn't making a comback r retard
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@AWSNATION Implying I'm gay is a comeback ( a bad one, but one nonetheless)
FYI, I am Christain. Im just smarter than you.
Cannot tell if ur trolling, or if ur just stupid.
BloodSonicFlux 3 months ago
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@BloodSonicFlux no it wasn't
you are not a christen and if you were smater than me than you wouldn't start anything
i'm not trolling and i'm not stupid you is
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux i wasn't making a comback r retard and you're not a christen
AWSNATION 3 months ago
@nizer555 Sonic is better he's faster and STRONGER but shadow is fast in teleporting Shadow lost because SOnic wuz in Super and Shadow wasn't fighting aggressively
3742Shadow 3 months ago
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can you tell me where to get the sprites of the kick of 0:25 and 0:47, please?
omegasonic2000 5 months ago
can you tell me where to get the sprites of the kick of 0:25, please?
omegasonic2000 5 months ago
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Ya, Im sure shadow would just sit still for all of this. Plus, if sonic becomes super sonic, then shadow can too!
swiry55 5 months ago
Ya, Im sure shadow would just sit still for all of this. Plus, if sonic becomes super sonic, then shadow can too!
swiry55 5 months ago
can you send the sprites
tikranbayatian 5 months ago
I like the style of your animations :D *suscribed*
Vide0G4m3R 6 months ago
Shadow would definitely win, I mean, in Sonic X, Shadow was beating up Super Sonic in his normal form
Cancan967 6 months ago
@Cancan967 Dont Know That Episode What It Called
tikranbayatian 6 months ago
@tikranbayatian i don't remember what episode it was neither, since i haven't watched Sonic X for 6 years, but I do remember that scene
Cancan967 6 months ago
@Cancan967 k
tikranbayatian 6 months ago
i love super shadow
kimmie11953 6 months ago
I hope Shadow wins this I mean he is the more powerful character.
mee091000 7 months ago
darn it... i bet shadow's gonna win.... becuase can't you guys tell? every time someone is losing. they start to win and then wins! ...... joshl you better make sonic win...
SonicTheHedgehog593 7 months ago
@SonicTheHedgehog593
Don't tell me what to do.
Joshl92 7 months ago 6
@Joshl92 Just ignore the fag... I would love to see his expression if Shadow won.. Probably post retarded videos stating ' I HATE YOU!! TROLL TROLL TROLL'
untoldkiller123 6 months ago
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Dobiekinq 4 months ago
@Joshl92 this vid is good dude, but in reality sonic would just punch shadow and kill him but nice job
Dobiekinq 4 months ago
DUDE THTS AWESOME XD
phobiabsk01 7 months ago
awesome intro
supershadow661 7 months ago
what did you use to make this?
Summerbreeze126 8 months ago
POOR SHADOW.
Daniel27125 8 months ago
give the part 2 liar!!
nani2416 8 months ago
@nani2416
I will when you Go for Broke
Joshl92 8 months ago
waar is part2
coolguy5772 8 months ago
pretty obvoius
REZAFORMA 8 months ago
Well, its been 2 years since you uploaded this....
I ain't seein a part 2.
BloodSonicFlux 9 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux
Get out.
Joshl92 9 months ago
@Joshl92 Oh ho, I will get out... AFTER I GET OFF.
Anyways, I'm just pointing out that you have said you were making a part two... and there is none...
Did you cancel it or something?
BloodSonicFlux 9 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux
Get out.
Joshl92 9 months ago
@Joshl92 But... I wanna knoooowwww!
Did you cancel it?
BloodSonicFlux 9 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux
Get out
Joshl92 9 months ago
@Joshl92 YOU get out.
BloodSonicFlux 9 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux
I don't give.
Joshl92 9 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux Why dont you BOTH get out?That settles it!
Gamorade 7 months ago
@Gamorade I don't get the whole purpose of the conversation.
All I did was ask a simple question, and I get told to go away.
That's just mean. I just wanna know if part 2 is going to be made or not. Not caring when, just trying to confirm it's existance.
BloodSonicFlux 7 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux Heh I read the message on Gmail... sorry I didnt know what was going on,you know people can do that sometimes =P.Sorry but I wanna know too.I didnt mean it on a bad way,well,respond if you can... cya around.
Gamorade 7 months ago
@Gamorade SEE?!
Everyone wants to know, Joshl92!!
Is there actually going to be a part 2, is it cancelled, or just delayed?!
A simple "yes" or "no" is a much easier answer then "get out"!!!
BloodSonicFlux 7 months ago
@BloodSonicFlux
XD. dude calm down. i was just having some fun. Regarding a part 2 i've been very lazy when it comes to animating. I was working on an ichigo vs vegeta but just lost all interest on it. So a part 2 to this will probably come out sooner or later.
Joshl92 7 months ago
@Joshl92 THERE. Much better. Thank you.
BloodSonicFlux 7 months ago
somebody knows who is successful in this battle I never vi this youtube who is successful who is optimum fighter
victorvalentim09 9 months ago
shadow
MsAngel10189 9 months ago
this is good but it is only need more battles
MrBrandis21 9 months ago
where do you get the super sonic sheet
salzford 10 months ago
its easy to tell that super form wins all the time, but its still fun to watch
darkflamesonic1 10 months ago
Please tell me how to make these =(
Is there a guide?
Akuroth1 1 year ago
@Joshl92 where'd you get the sprites?
AfraidofButterflies 1 year ago
hay bro how u make chaos controle @ 0:26?
lightningskull7 1 year ago
que bkn po :)
lalin2111 1 year ago
Good quatily!
robloxlol123 1 year ago
Shadow will kill sonic even when sonic is in super form Dark form any others dat can be name shadow will kill him
scentthehedgehog88 1 year ago
Shadow will kill sonic even when sonic is in super form
scentthehedgehog88 1 year ago
dawww. y didnt shadow bring out magikarp? D:
EvanTheMarioFan 1 year ago
where did u get the dust sprites. like for the tornado
assyrianmike08 1 year ago
OMG..
COOOOOOOOOOOOOL...
But why Shadow lose??
^^
SasukeUschiaNightmar 1 year ago
can you give me the effects? i need them for my flash
FreekTheFox 1 year ago
the color you edit for shadow is bad :/ i like the original
Mrhoho3 1 year ago
i like it,your a pretty good artist.i want to see more from you
chrisall76 1 year ago
Your awesome
MRXkick 1 year ago
Yeahr sonic is better as mario
SonicundMario 1 year ago
super sonic + shadow = shadow dead
MegaCharizard1000 1 year ago
owo" poor shadow Lol
fairlydogcat 1 year ago
shadow could have turn to super shadow then it will be a diffrent ending shadow could have won!!!
haxicehog 1 year ago
@haxicehog But where's the fun in that?
CrimsonVermillioneye 1 year ago
Shadow would murder Super Sonic if he was Super Shadow.
Gamemaster5394 1 year ago
Sonic: This is for kicking my ass in Sonic X and shooting me in Shadow the Hedgehog!
CrimsonVermillioneye 1 year ago
SWEET
plaes learn me how you do this
ImSonicSeedOfSound1 1 year ago
This is deadly Super Sonic is my favourite character :D
legolad247 1 year ago
That song is a revamped megaman battle network song
nagiku99 1 year ago
at the begin sonic is so small
Firesonic1 1 year ago
@Firesonic1 thats cuz he's in the distance :3
conka2000 1 year ago
Where did u get those custom super sonic sprites?
creatureofthedepths3 1 year ago
not bad but the speed was a little slow. Other than that itn was awesome
sonicunlimided42 1 year ago
more like uzumaki barrage
bleachvssonic 1 year ago
shadow...got...his...ass...kicked...that's impossible!
StarzGirl09 1 year ago
that was the point
hes super sonic
hes not gonna give him the chance to attack but i do see you're point
part 2 will be different
Joshl92 2 years ago
dude no offense but this wasnt even a fight i mean, shadow didnt attack even once
allstarbrawlingfan2 2 years ago
poor super sonic
Ajeel 2 years ago
Where did you get the sound effect when Sonic transform and Super Sonic teleport?
Tubito09 2 years ago
I used it before him
he even said in the description he got the idea from me
Joshl92 2 years ago
ummmm shadow is completly dieing like crazy u ppl
liveitdreamitloveit1 11 months ago
umm why did you use kixxs theme
cmpunk577 2 years ago
that was goos ;P where did you get them lines at the end of the video when shadow got hit in the air ? been looking that
muskyjamjam 2 years ago
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what was the song called
WakkoisCrazy 2 years ago
Dude thats awesome nice work !
IceyCold316 2 years ago
Awesome!
secretsupersonic 2 years ago
I luv this video =3
diademmaster45 2 years ago 8
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You would be surprised how many people care. And if somebody goes to jail for something and somebody else does it and gets caught they go to jail too.
Volkain10 2 years ago
wow your exaggerating dog is right who cares about that!
CrazzyD140 2 years ago
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MADFACEPSP 2 years ago
idiot --
Goku2132 2 years ago
the song is MMBN5 Title (DnB Mix)
Joshl92 2 years ago
aswome vid fav and thnx for the song ^_^
supersonic11g 2 years ago
Awesome :D
Whats the name of the song ^_^
1marioherox 2 years ago
pretty much final fantasy sonic x
Joshl92 2 years ago
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Umm no. If he steals he has the right to be punished just as I was.
Volkain10 2 years ago
idiot --
Goku2132 2 years ago
whered u get the super sonic sprites?
creatureofthedepths3 2 years ago
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How so? I haven't stole in 6 months.
Volkain10 2 years ago
idiot --
Goku2132 2 years ago
Awesome! 5/5
kanatamon1 2 years ago
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Stolen Effects
Volkain10 2 years ago
idiot --
Goku2132 2 years ago
Freakin sweet. Just wondering did you get these ideas any chance by the create of FinalFantasy Sonic X, Or Sonic RPG? I ask because i got the same ideas from em aswel.
kixx6 2 years ago