Germany was so bitterly humiliated by the allies that her ambassador was told to sit in another room while the allies negotiate the terms of agreement, even on behalf of Germany without the Germany. All her mineral rich lands were taken from her and her scope of industrial development was limited. Britain virtually took all her naval belongings. If Germans had not felt so humiliated from this treaty, a Hitler would never have risen from its ashes. THIS treaty was the cause of WWII
Treaty of Trianon WASN'T based on democratic referendums(general equal&secret ballots)The"national councils"were elected suspiciously-way,without any local documentations.Czechs don't trust in Slovaks(because very few slovaks joined/supported the"czechoslovak"army against Hungarians(Slovaks were 48%).Romanian politicians didn't trust in Transylvanian romanians,perhabs they didn't want to join to backward poor romania(romanians were 53% in Transylvania).Serbs were minority(22%)in Southern Hungary
Trianon WASN'T based on democratic referendums(general equal & secret ballots)The"national councils"were elected suspiciously-way,without any local documentations. WHY? Czechs don't trust in Slovaks(because very few slovaks joined/supported the"czechoslovak"army against Hungarians(Slovaks were 48%).Romanian politicians didn't trust in Transylvanian romanians,perhabs they didn't want to join to backward poor romania(romanians were 53% in Transylvania).Serbs were minority(22%)in Southern Hungary
yes sir, Wilson like obama today. says one thing in campaign and then wins and does somthing different.. lol, not to deviate from this video, politicians tend to do this, only great leaders can stand up and stick to their guns, history full of bad men, but how many good leaders has there been? dont tell me FDR, and Jesus dont count.
Russia was stabbed in the back by the Allies and this treaty - being the only Entente/Allied country to not even sign it. Former Russian territories were not returned to Russia (unlike French or Belgian) but rather given international sovereignty. Reparations or return of POWs to Russia was not even mentioned.
While there has been much said about how the treaty was unfair to Germany, some of this needs to be examined in closer context. Much has been made about how Germany was bitter about concessions in the east to Poland. But it is forgotten that most of the land given to Poland, including the Polish Corridor, had been grabbed by Prussia at the time of the Polish Partitions. And a lot of the resentment was due to racial feelings--the Germans despised the Poles as "inferior", even before Hitler.
Today the jewish neo-cons are continuing their relatives' work in the middle east. Saddam tried to reunite the Ottoman empire (the land of Kuwait and Iraq had both been part of it), and Hitler tried to reunite Austria-Hungary to its pre-WW1 borders. England and France started the war, not Germany.
Anyone here moaning about the harshness of Versailles doesn't need to go too far back to see similar unjust peace treaties drawn up by the Germans such as Brest-Litovsk.
In fact I would go so far as to say the German peace treaty with the Russians was harsher than the treaty of Versailles
wilson was a confused man. gets elected on no war platform, then goes to war and then signs and hurts germany peace and league of nation he does not attend
Germany should get it land back i wish i was not french and German i wish i was only German but hail Germany it should get all of Germania and it lands lost during this treaty but i am not Nazi i have nothing againt the "impuritys"
But you do realize don't you that the people of Alsace and Lorraine were not happy in the German Empire...that's why they protested the annexation in the French legislature in Bordeaux in 1871 ..and in the Reichstag in 1874...and kept electing men like Abbe Emile Wetterle to the Reichstag from Colmar who opposed the annexation...and the Savern Incident of Oct/Nov 1913...desertians of Alsation German troops to the French army in WW1, etc, etc.
The Germans paid disgracefully, jackals French did their utmost to recover Alsace and Lorraine and the mines of the Saar. And the champion Wilson in the end it proved only a flash in the pan, the League of Nations never sat sufficiently political conflicts of the postwar period.
One of the most unjust and vengeful treaties ever enacted. As Field Marshall Foch stated," This is not peace.This is an armistice for twenty years. His words were prophetic,
The French , greedy that they are, had always had their eye on the saar and the ruhr. Their constant invasions of germany in the century that proceeded was an act of a superior agreesor. The US said of the 1870 war that Germany was fighting for survival against a tyrannical neighbour hell bent on its destruction. Have a look at Frances glorious empire , I could fill a book of the crimes that continued until recently. No liberté,Egalité or Fraternité in Algeria, Congo,Vietnamor Germany etc
Yes, France, like Britain, was an imperialist power who exploited large parts of the world. Also, the French were hellbent in getting back Alsace and Lorraine from Germany. World War 1 should have never happened, it was utterly insane.
LOL no égalité, faternité in Algeria but you forgot no civil right in USA itself for the black people. then USA is officially imperialist since 1898 ("Officially" because it started with the amerindian genocide and the slavery)
@gipcambero What have I added to what you have written? All I did is just ask you a couple of questions. If I may ask, where are you from? It's not my intention to get into an argument with you, just generally interested.
The treaty was the cause of WW2, when the Germans were democratic they got versailles, The saarland taken and the invasion of the Ruhr by france, Loss of lands to the east and over 8 million Germans living outside the reich in hostile countries and avery reduced Military and industrial production not to mention the bill for the war.When they had Hitler, they got the ruhr back, Saarlands, and reunited the Reichs germans with the homeland, prosperity etc Its no wonder he became a Cult
If you were a german after versaille and you saw the changes that hitler had brought to most germans you would have supported him ! Democracy brought the Germans poverty and humilatation , ethnic cleansing and theft. There were many cases in the International court in the Hague dealing with Polish state persecution of German minorities in the Danzig and polish corridoir long before hitler came to power , adding fuel to the fire.
When the armistice was signed it was on the understanding that there would be a fair and honorable peace treaty. Well the theives and liars reaped the whirlwind for the treatment of the Germans.
When I was in Hungary during our ops in Bosnia, the Hungarians were very nice to us. They didn't appear to be evil or barbarous - although many did have some very strong ideas about what Hungary's political borders ought to properly look like.
What ought to be done about the Hungarians? Well, if you want them to treat you with deference and respect, I suggest you extend them the same polite courtesy.
The dumb hunGAYrians still dream about old days where empires rule and smaller nations suffer at the hands of the occupiers. The romanians living in Transilvania were opressed by the hungayrians who were under the wings of the austrians. Yes, this is possible. Even today many hungayrians cannot comprehend the concept of an empire and its mechanism of power. Little hungayry thinks that they can own half of Europe, even today. What can be done to educate these savages?
Nonsense. Germany did not start WW1 (alone). All major nations involved in WW1, are equally responsible for the causes of the war and the massacre that ensued.
Britain, France, Russia, Italy, and Serbia all wanted to take the Austrian ultimatum crisis to the Hague Tribunal..but Germany and Austria refused to even consider the idea...even when they knew a world war could result.
That's why everyone blamed Germany for the war.. Germany was the power behind Austria. Without Germany supporting them...Austria would never dare to upset russia.
The makers of the Versailles Treaty and treaty of St. Germain and Trianon did not use Wikepedia for self-determination of the European peoples because there was no Wikepedia in 1919.
But the Wikepedia article shows an ethnic map of Austria-Hungary that was published back in 1910 and was based on the 1910 Austro-Hungarian census....it was your own government's data...so don't shoot the messenger!
The Allies used this census to breakup AH...makes sense after AH and Germany started WW1.
You lose 10 points for using Wikipedia as a referance. Transylvania was all Hungarians until the treaty of Trianon stripped Hungary of 72% of its land. You call this fair?
You need to find a map of the ethnic makeup of Austria-Hungary. Wikepedia has a nice one but if you don't trust Wikepedia...find one in a good atlas, or a good encyclopedia or read some books on the history of Austria-Hungary. That Transylvania area was predominantly Romanian speaking not Hungarians speaking.
the Magyars of Austria-Hungary were reputed to be as harsh with their minorities as the Austrian Germans or the German Empire.
you are canadian so you dont know anything about Romanian history.Romanians were in Transylvania since Antiquity.When hungarians came in the 10th century and conquered Trans. they brought hungarians to colonize.Yet in 1918 there were 78% Romanians there
well at least Romania has a history you guys have what?ehm....yeah.....something related to England....get a history my friend Canada is real bad at this chapter.And even an American told you about Romanians in Trans.
and btw if you say our history is lies go ask a Hungarian historian(not an immature extremist) and he will tell you what I and the American guy told you
I don't trust you, I don't trust the Hungarian historians, and I don't trust the Amercians because all their history was written by criminal jews. The entire system is fake and your denying it.
The versailles and treaty of Trianon were actually very fair.
Go to Wikepedia and see the article on "Austria-Hungary. the treaties actually broke up the empires by enthnic lines completely.
Hungarians part of Austria-hungary actually included many slavs,....Slovakians, Croatians, Serbs...plus many Romanians in Trasylvania...yes Hungary lost 2/3 of its area...but the slavs wanted freedom...they wanted self-rule.
They were supposed to follow the ethnic lines, they have not, however. Just for an example, over 1 million of Hungarian people become "Czechoslovakian" citizen, almost 2 million Hungarian become Rumanian (now called Romanian) citizen. And I should continue with the Germans in Silesia, Moravia, Elsass and Lothringen (Alsace and Lorraine), West Prussia.
transylvania had mostly Romanians living there with a Hungarian minority.
Alsace_Lorraine was never happy as part of the German Empire. In 1874 the first representatives they sent to the Reichstage...15 of the 15 representatives were opposed to the annexation...many of the alsatians left to move to France....Zabern affair in 1913 where Alsatians rebelled agaisnt German troops
W. Prussia and posen were 50/50 polish/German
Versailles treaty did give Sudeten Germans to Chechoslovakia
Maybe the Third Reich was the new Jerusalem and Hitler Sargon III.
But Evil won WWII?!
Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people that will produce its fruit He wends to a listening group of german legionaries "You will it be!"
Treaty of Versailles is a shame and can be blamed for WW2.
Look at the borders. The Czech and Slovaks wanted even a bigger country. They even told a whacker to the russian tsar before the war, that Vienna is total slavic and they want to join it to later Czechslovakia.Even the new borders of Hungary were(are) 50km far from the real national borders.Thats why millions of germans and hungarians had to be deported!
A true shame was the cowardly behaviour of Allies before war. They made nothing when Hitler became more and more more strong. If they reacted earlier, there would be no this horror. The cancer button is little threatening, when one goes into liquidation him early. When himself it does not react, becomes more and more more strong. Till his removal becomes difficult and deadly.
shut the fuck off... allies got what they deserved by this horrible (peace treaty) well, i don't consider it a (peace treaty) i consider it a (declaration of war).
@somethingirreversib well it seems that USA and Britiain have had more sympathy to Germans than to trelaible slavic allies. Versailles... Marshall Aid...Germans won once again. Greetings from Poland we know the truth.
First Reich was a loose confederacy of tens small states. With difficulty to call this with the country. You suggest that Dutchmen have not rights to the own country? Germany are most important in the world. Neighbours let get out. I explained already why Austria-Hungary was a giant on clay-legs. Ten nationalities which did not want to be under the common yoke. Hapsburgs mastered with Czech so joined to Austria.
2. When Austria lost the war with Prussia, categorically refused losses of Second Reich. Never there was the Soviet nationality , nor Yugoslav nationality. Who so speaks, misses behind those at times. This were multinational such countries as Austria-Hungary which ascertained that were sick of yokes.
The nation Soviet and Yugoslav are time-limits invented by local authorities wanting to hold to keep "status quo". I never was in Lublin. But is a part of my Homeland. So I would have the right to grow angry, if Lublin announced the secession. I am vain? Germans possessed and still possess the huge country. Czeches, not. Austria-Hungary were in the same way artificial as Yugoslav and USSR.
Germany during the First World War was aggressors. Attacking on neutral Belgium and declaring war Russia. Austria-Hungary lived surely 10 nations which badly felt under the common yoke. Many from them already earlier it was independent. Austria-Hungary it was a giant on clay-legs. Natural that it scattered. The idea that people resident the
definite ground can decide for the membership is silly idea.
Because lets on easy shattering of states. Countries of the Entente proposed this, because on their own grounds did not have such problems. In the international policy there is no honesty. Only the reason of State. On definite grounds Germans they could have the own country. And on some grounds they had to be a minority. Germany was and is very large country. Otherwise they would determine the threat for the stay of neighbours.
Annexation of grounds which in spite of the German minority, on the ground of the German country were not. Lots and lots grounds. Very they dispersed right and left the world. Else would become very conceited. Sudeten Germans always were in Czech. When Czech were not independent, lived in the province the name Czech .
Local people will not decide about the national status. Why for the opinion not to ask other inhabitants of the country? Have such themselves rights. As other citizens of this country. You are American? If California will want to join to Mexico, you will let on this? Remaining states will have the right to grow angry ? Doubt, so that they permit. I never was in Lublin. But surely I would have the right to grow angry , if he wanted to become detached. It is a part of my Homeland.
In 1866 Austria was at war with Prussia. The German country not yet existed. Austria became a part of Reich in 1938 . Earlier was a separate independent country from Reich. And the German state came into being in 1871. Austria remaining with himself.
Czeches are a nation about so old as Poles. Or to yet older. Borders of present Czech are approximately such as in Middle Ages. Czech became a province of Hapsburgs. But as the province, remaining within current. After the recovery of the independence, they had the right to borders as in times of Austria-Hungary. If some province one wants to become detached, it is proper to ask the central authority for the opinion.
Sudeten were not a part Germany, but Austria-Hungary within the framework of Czechc. Cannot so be that people dictate central authorities the national status. Otherwise become conceited and troublesome. Odd things you tell. The murderer one ought to exculpate, because had a sad childhood? Germany they attacked on almost all Europe. Justifies nothing these crimes.
On this rule, you can put to death prisons, because every prisoner soon will say that he had a sad childhood or that so him was brought up. It not justifies. And the judge was brought up that as is the crime, had to be the punishment. Every is accountable for all, whereupon has an influence.
A greatest stupidity of Allies was the absolute unresponsiveness, when Treaty of Versailles began to be broken. There would be no this nightmare, if attacked III Reich, when was still weak.
Yes. Was part of Austria. Not Germany. And Czech were already independent before came Hapsburgs. Countries of Entente fixed the fad is which dictating of central authority by regions conditions. Because Englishmen, the French and Americans didn't have so troublesome grounds. If they had otherwise would speak. Who asked Czeches for the opinion? Czeches had the right to grow angry. No country doesn't let on the separation of the part of its own territory. Surely that it wants to commit suicide.
Sudeten are a historic part of state of Czech. Never was a part Germany. Who lives in the definite country, this must be loyal. Or the out. If Sudeten Germans wanted to live in Germany, could voluntarily go to Germany! Sacred cows. Who invented, so that inhabitants of regions dictate conditions to central authorities of countries? This twists the order upside down. The map Czechoslovakia looked sadly, after the theft of this grounds.
This is a shit. Various ethnic groups would have their separate countries? Bullshit!
Hungary lost 2/3 of its original size and 2.5 MILLION Hungarians were cut from the mothercountry. The Whole transilvania and whole of now south Slovakia was ethnicly almost purely Hungarian.
and gee, I thought for sure when they said the breaking up of those nations into small nations.. would prove disastrous for the power hungry .. USSR!! It phased in at the same time! USSR swallowed up Eastern Europe, Asia, and had its fangs loaded to sink deep into Western Europe, but these liars always are forced to say, Germany is the epitomy of evil. Aw, who gives a blasted fart if Stalin murdered FIFTY MILLION and COMMIES MURDERED 100 MILLION.. shhhh, the leftwing doesn't want that truth told
And map mistake at 0:37 as Elsace and Lorrine was part of Germany before WW1. After the Versailles it was given to France. In WW2 and after the fall of France it became part of the German Reich. After 1945 it became again France.
They dismemberd Hungary with Trianon. It was an own Kingdom what was forced into the monarchy with Austria. Long story short "WW2 was the fault from french politicians"
Still the same tactic in talks with Sensymilla, noone calls you a nazi, but you`r referring to thier sources. You`r doing the same what you`r blameing on others, "shooting" them down by accuseing of some "germanophoby" and calleing everone "nazi".
So if you belive in nazi "evidences", why you`ll not belive in other of thier theories? Becouse doesn`t make you to look better and more objective? As you said: "who reads NAZI Bulletins, except NAZIS?"
I`v red some "reports" of appeasment "activists", much in favor of Germans. One can belive that 1mio German minority deserved half of the Greater Poland and so called "corridor", but pop censuses says differet.
The logic thing is, when someone is attacking you, you shoot back. Poland was attacked and destroyed starting from 1772, do you expect Poles would give up their home so easy? The only one who is responsible for murdering Germans are Germans themselves. You "mess with the bull, you get the horns" or different: "you made us cry prussian evil, cry yourself now"!
ElbeRiver - Do you think that partition of Poland and erase us from the european map for 123 years was a right thing???
You can tell about poor Germans, what about Kulturkampf, Deutscher Ostmarkenverein, "Selbstschutz" organization, brutal germanization after Germany, Aus-Hun and Russia partited Poland.
You don't want to see Germans harassing Poles during that time and accept that this treaty gave us freedom after 123 years of brutal occupation.
Appesment created war for real, Germany get even Bohemia and Moravia what was a most cowardly move i can imagine from the side of "allies".
Yeah, just like German industry made a great busyness on the forced labor or plain staling from conquared territories, not to mention how much art they stole.
"In this "Corridor", 1 Million Germans got harrassed"
-Stop lieing! The German monarchy was stealing our properity and denyeing any rights, even supressing becouse of religion for about century. In pre-war Poland even gays were decriminalised and every minority had its own party in parliment.
Why? Becouse of your wage war, our hiperinflation and closed borders, Weimar rep. was a paradise in comparation to Poland at that time.
What a bullshit, either Pomerellia (not any "corridor") and Greater Poland (not any "Posen") had Polish majority, despite the century of germanisiation and colonisation policy.
"most hostile environment"
Another bullshit, Germans had even parlimentar representation and what about that Polish minority in Germany was (and is) about three millions?
The Treaty of Versailles was a total disaster. There was not a damn thing good about it at all. Germany was forced to take the blame for the start of WWI when they did not start the war. But what was the real disaster was the war debt they were forced to pay it plunged Germany into depression and ultimately led to the rise of Hitler and set the stages of another World war which was more bloodier then the last.
The humiliation toward Germany through this and, previously, the armistice goes deep. The armistice was a myth, a lie:Germany made to feel they hadnt lost, when really the allies just didnt want to see any more men dead, it seemed pointless. Woodrow's ideals proved to shape European politics, what was but visionaries are now fundamentals today: 'self determination' of people such as the Slovaks, Austrians, and Hungarians. But frankly, this crippled their economy and spirit i mean, war guilt?pfft
i agree Elbe!...well the holocaust referred to Germans is also nothing more but to curtain what you mentioned and what is to be followed i.e. Palestine!
The Versailles treaties secured the break out of WWII. Those who maid the demands lacked reason and vision of the consequences.
Although there were some who warned that the german army hasn't been 'defeated' in the open field, and therefore it'd be a dangereous step to insult the german people with such a treaty.
I agree... whatever grudges the "Good guys" had against Germany, it thought it was completely unfair to leave without some say in the process. Germany had every right to make a complaint. First of all , Germany is in the heart of Europe, and if something really bad happens to it, Europe will suffer. This was pretty much the case in 1923 and again in the early 1930s.
It amazes me that they did not modify the Treaty following the economic collapse of 1923...
This "treaty" was the biggest lie in History!! Now I skip the territorial and other material questions, focus only ethnic rights. The Entente, the Legaue of Nations, and the posterior states also guaranteed this rights, but the minorities has nothing by now, also in EU, 88 years after this shit... Thx
France is responsible for WW2 and for million dead people. Lets dismember france just as they did that to Hungary and Germany. Lets humiliate them as they did that to us. We wont forget !
french are cultured and have a lovely language,they SHOULD NOT HAVE OPPRESED GERMANY.SILLY OF THEM.GREED?WHCH LED TO MILLIONS OF LIVES WASTED.THEY HAD OTHER PATNERS IN COMPLICITY TOO.
furthermore, the treaty of versailles show how dangerous ideas can be. ideas such as democracy, self determination and human rights MUST NOT be enforced by some external power. it won't work. especially the idea of self determination linked with the notion of nation states proved disastrous. the structure of austria hungary was by far better suited to deal with europe's peoples.
the treaty of versailles is a magnificient example how the modern world has forgotten to make peace treaties. amnesty was a crucial part of peace treaties before 1919, but was deliberately ignored in versailles especially from the french delegates such as clemenceau.
this threaty was unfair, if it was fair hungaristan should be much smaller since they still occupy large areas of historichal slovakian teritory, so the mongols should praise God for this.
5 mmillion hungarians are under occupation till nowdays by slovakia, rumania, serbia.. Can u imagine when familys friends are separeted from each other? we want back our brothers and lands!!!!
SHAME OF EUROPE what u did to Hungary! not we started the war, and we were punished the most!!! JUSTICE FOR HUNGARY!!!!! I hope one day France will lost 70% of his land
The Versailles treaties assured the breakout of World War II.
There is was a series about a joung Indian Jones. In one episode he was at the Versailles Treaty as a member of the belgian delegate. His friend remarked that chance of peace was lost and there will be war again in 10 or 20 years.
Hungary's most distinguished emissaries were placed under house arrest and treated as criminals when they arrived in Paris. They were even prevented from communicating with their own government. This is to the eternal shame of France.
In Bohemia (presently known as Czech Republic) there were 3.25 million Sudeten Austrian Germans equal to 28% of the whole population. The eastern province of Ruthenia was "snipped off" and incorporated into the USSR after WW2 by Stalin.
The Treaty of Trianon was even more vindictive and draconian than Versailles -- Hungary lost 72% of her territory which included present day Slovakia and Croatia. Czechoslovakia was no more than an artificial creation and in the 1930s Czechia and Slovakia wanted to become two separate countries.
This evil so-called "peace" treaty was more accurately described in Germany as the Versailles Diktat. The Versailles "Polish Corridor" and the creation of the Free City of Danzig were to be the main cause of the German-Polish conflict that broke out in 1939.
Germany was so bitterly humiliated by the allies that her ambassador was told to sit in another room while the allies negotiate the terms of agreement, even on behalf of Germany without the Germany. All her mineral rich lands were taken from her and her scope of industrial development was limited. Britain virtually took all her naval belongings. If Germans had not felt so humiliated from this treaty, a Hitler would never have risen from its ashes. THIS treaty was the cause of WWII
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YippieKyo91 2 months ago
versailles treaty and trianon treaty have destroy a nation!!!
elazar79 5 months ago
Thanks you, Herr Hitler, for destroying this political and territorial atrocity named 'Treaty of Versailles'.
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Treaty of Trianon WASN'T based on democratic referendums(general equal&secret ballots)The"national councils"were elected suspiciously-way,without any local documentations.Czechs don't trust in Slovaks(because very few slovaks joined/supported the"czechoslovak"army against Hungarians(Slovaks were 48%).Romanian politicians didn't trust in Transylvanian romanians,perhabs they didn't want to join to backward poor romania(romanians were 53% in Transylvania).Serbs were minority(22%)in Southern Hungary
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Trianon WASN'T based on democratic referendums(general equal & secret ballots)The"national councils"were elected suspiciously-way,without any local documentations. WHY? Czechs don't trust in Slovaks(because very few slovaks joined/supported the"czechoslovak"army against Hungarians(Slovaks were 48%).Romanian politicians didn't trust in Transylvanian romanians,perhabs they didn't want to join to backward poor romania(romanians were 53% in Transylvania).Serbs were minority(22%)in Southern Hungary
celebration81 1 year ago
yes sir, Wilson like obama today. says one thing in campaign and then wins and does somthing different.. lol, not to deviate from this video, politicians tend to do this, only great leaders can stand up and stick to their guns, history full of bad men, but how many good leaders has there been? dont tell me FDR, and Jesus dont count.
Rico8458 1 year ago
Russia was stabbed in the back by the Allies and this treaty - being the only Entente/Allied country to not even sign it. Former Russian territories were not returned to Russia (unlike French or Belgian) but rather given international sovereignty. Reparations or return of POWs to Russia was not even mentioned.
RodinaZovet 1 year ago
And it must be remembered that World War I wasn't started by Belgium invading Germany.
zooeyhall 1 year ago
While there has been much said about how the treaty was unfair to Germany, some of this needs to be examined in closer context. Much has been made about how Germany was bitter about concessions in the east to Poland. But it is forgotten that most of the land given to Poland, including the Polish Corridor, had been grabbed by Prussia at the time of the Polish Partitions. And a lot of the resentment was due to racial feelings--the Germans despised the Poles as "inferior", even before Hitler.
zooeyhall 1 year ago
Today the jewish neo-cons are continuing their relatives' work in the middle east. Saddam tried to reunite the Ottoman empire (the land of Kuwait and Iraq had both been part of it), and Hitler tried to reunite Austria-Hungary to its pre-WW1 borders. England and France started the war, not Germany.
hughtub 1 year ago 2
Anyone here moaning about the harshness of Versailles doesn't need to go too far back to see similar unjust peace treaties drawn up by the Germans such as Brest-Litovsk.
In fact I would go so far as to say the German peace treaty with the Russians was harsher than the treaty of Versailles
wiggy1988 1 year ago
wilson was a confused man. gets elected on no war platform, then goes to war and then signs and hurts germany peace and league of nation he does not attend
Rico8458 1 year ago
@Rico8458 nice grammar.
true tho
ImthebaGamerify 1 year ago
And it was the Allies (GERMANY) who offered complete peace negotiations in December 1916:
Original statement:
"The Governments of Austria-Hungary, Germany, Turkey, and. Bul-
garia have addressed today identical notes to the diplomatic representa-
tives in the capitals concerned who are intrusted with the promotion
of enemy nationals, expressing an inclination to enter into peace nego-
tiations and requesting them to transmit this overture to enemy States."
nogocologne 1 year ago
Treaty of Versailles is fags
geodude99999 1 year ago 2
HA they are total fags
bashes1 1 year ago
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geodude99999 1 year ago
Austro-Hungarian Empire was the prison of nations
jimmydemoney 1 year ago
It was the Treaty of Versailles which paved the way for Hitler and WW2!
mathis1980 1 year ago
Germany should get it land back i wish i was not french and German i wish i was only German but hail Germany it should get all of Germania and it lands lost during this treaty but i am not Nazi i have nothing againt the "impuritys"
falloutgodTeutonicL 2 years ago
But you do realize don't you that the people of Alsace and Lorraine were not happy in the German Empire...that's why they protested the annexation in the French legislature in Bordeaux in 1871 ..and in the Reichstag in 1874...and kept electing men like Abbe Emile Wetterle to the Reichstag from Colmar who opposed the annexation...and the Savern Incident of Oct/Nov 1913...desertians of Alsation German troops to the French army in WW1, etc, etc.
Germany can't get it's land back...too late now!
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
plus what r u talken about i just say Germany should get it lands back i think i only put 1 comment on this
falloutgodTeutonicL 2 years ago
silesia, pomerania and east-prussia belongs to germany !
wilson had said it, too !
freedom for east-germany !
against gerat-poland propaganda.
Germane2010 2 years ago
are you from Schleswig part of Denmark?
It is unfortunate that Germany is only 65% of its 1914 size. But it can be rationally explained if you thoroughly study German history...WW1...WW2
Then it will all make perfect sense to you
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
The Germans paid disgracefully, jackals French did their utmost to recover Alsace and Lorraine and the mines of the Saar. And the champion Wilson in the end it proved only a flash in the pan, the League of Nations never sat sufficiently political conflicts of the postwar period.
reading70 2 years ago
This is by far the best video on Youtube
captaincrap1995 2 years ago
look german map. this is real german map.
Germane2010 2 years ago 2
Treaty of Versailles was the breeding ground of WW II
Gameinggames 2 years ago
One of the most unjust and vengeful treaties ever enacted. As Field Marshall Foch stated," This is not peace.This is an armistice for twenty years. His words were prophetic,
villanovakid84 2 years ago 27
I think Foch wanted Germany to be even more slaughtered, thinking Versailles was not enough...
FFulmenTheFinnish 2 years ago
You are absolutely correct. The French, especially Clemenceau wanted Germany to pay higher reparations than were finally agreed upon at Versailles.
villanovakid84 2 years ago
The French , greedy that they are, had always had their eye on the saar and the ruhr. Their constant invasions of germany in the century that proceeded was an act of a superior agreesor. The US said of the 1870 war that Germany was fighting for survival against a tyrannical neighbour hell bent on its destruction. Have a look at Frances glorious empire , I could fill a book of the crimes that continued until recently. No liberté,Egalité or Fraternité in Algeria, Congo,Vietnamor Germany etc
godstargodstar 2 years ago
Yes, France, like Britain, was an imperialist power who exploited large parts of the world. Also, the French were hellbent in getting back Alsace and Lorraine from Germany. World War 1 should have never happened, it was utterly insane.
villanovakid84 2 years ago 4
LOL no égalité, faternité in Algeria but you forgot no civil right in USA itself for the black people. then USA is officially imperialist since 1898 ("Officially" because it started with the amerindian genocide and the slavery)
gipcambero 2 years ago
@gipcambero I'm sure that your native country is a paragon of virtue, no doubt.
jmad627 1 year ago
None is, that's what every decent person should understand
gipcambero 1 year ago
@gipcambero Then the point you are trying to make is what exactly? Focus on what is negative, and ignore anything positive?
jmad627 1 year ago
@jmad627
I want people stop to be hyppocrit and stop to think " All that I do has been positive, All that people who I criticize have done was negative"
It's not "We are good, You are bad", Life isn't as simple as that.
What shocked you in this ??
Why you need to add things that I haven't written ???
gipcambero 1 year ago
@gipcambero What have I added to what you have written? All I did is just ask you a couple of questions. If I may ask, where are you from? It's not my intention to get into an argument with you, just generally interested.
jmad627 1 year ago
@gipcambero I'd like to add that I'm genuinely not only generally interested in where you're from as well.
jmad627 1 year ago
The treaty was the cause of WW2, when the Germans were democratic they got versailles, The saarland taken and the invasion of the Ruhr by france, Loss of lands to the east and over 8 million Germans living outside the reich in hostile countries and avery reduced Military and industrial production not to mention the bill for the war.When they had Hitler, they got the ruhr back, Saarlands, and reunited the Reichs germans with the homeland, prosperity etc Its no wonder he became a Cult
godstargodstar 2 years ago
If you were a german after versaille and you saw the changes that hitler had brought to most germans you would have supported him ! Democracy brought the Germans poverty and humilatation , ethnic cleansing and theft. There were many cases in the International court in the Hague dealing with Polish state persecution of German minorities in the Danzig and polish corridoir long before hitler came to power , adding fuel to the fire.
godstargodstar 2 years ago
When the armistice was signed it was on the understanding that there would be a fair and honorable peace treaty. Well the theives and liars reaped the whirlwind for the treatment of the Germans.
godstargodstar 2 years ago
@villanovakid84
You're right.
That couldn't have worked for long. And it didn't.
TheDeraos 1 year ago
Ottoman Empire map is wrong, they didn't have Bulgaria in WW1.
gianlucanders 2 years ago
No it's not. Because it doesn't show that. It shows Bulgaria as an ally of Germany, which it was.
FFulmenTheFinnish 2 years ago
Ah, ok then I misunderstood the map.
gianlucanders 2 years ago
When I was in Hungary during our ops in Bosnia, the Hungarians were very nice to us. They didn't appear to be evil or barbarous - although many did have some very strong ideas about what Hungary's political borders ought to properly look like.
What ought to be done about the Hungarians? Well, if you want them to treat you with deference and respect, I suggest you extend them the same polite courtesy.
DrCruel 2 years ago
hungarian magyar calvinist?
Rico8458 2 years ago
The dumb hunGAYrians still dream about old days where empires rule and smaller nations suffer at the hands of the occupiers. The romanians living in Transilvania were opressed by the hungayrians who were under the wings of the austrians. Yes, this is possible. Even today many hungayrians cannot comprehend the concept of an empire and its mechanism of power. Little hungayry thinks that they can own half of Europe, even today. What can be done to educate these savages?
sharkloaner 2 years ago
Isn't this treaty what promted Hitler to get into politics?
abola2121 2 years ago 10
Romanians are gypsys!!!
Patronushungaricus 2 years ago
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Patronushungaricus 2 years ago
Justice for Hungary!!!!!!
Patronushungaricus 2 years ago
yes ! Budapest is Romanian!!!
genox36 2 years ago
Can anybody send me this video. Because i have to put it in to a powerpoint. pleaseee
noellaaaa 2 years ago
Oh to hell with this. German started WW1 and WW2. Nobody feels sorry for Germany after the Holocaust.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Nonsense. Germany did not start WW1 (alone). All major nations involved in WW1, are equally responsible for the causes of the war and the massacre that ensued.
havoc873 2 years ago 4
"Never Forget, Never Forgive"
hammerita 2 years ago
does anyone know of videos like this...and where this video is from...i got an exam on this in the next few days
unspokenscene97 2 years ago
Britain, France, Russia, Italy, and Serbia all wanted to take the Austrian ultimatum crisis to the Hague Tribunal..but Germany and Austria refused to even consider the idea...even when they knew a world war could result.
That's why everyone blamed Germany for the war.. Germany was the power behind Austria. Without Germany supporting them...Austria would never dare to upset russia.
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
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StudentvsMaster 2 years ago
That's the penalty for starting WW1...a war that killed 10 million men and maimed another 20 million men.
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
The makers of the Versailles Treaty and treaty of St. Germain and Trianon did not use Wikepedia for self-determination of the European peoples because there was no Wikepedia in 1919.
But the Wikepedia article shows an ethnic map of Austria-Hungary that was published back in 1910 and was based on the 1910 Austro-Hungarian census....it was your own government's data...so don't shoot the messenger!
The Allies used this census to breakup AH...makes sense after AH and Germany started WW1.
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
You lose 10 points for using Wikipedia as a referance. Transylvania was all Hungarians until the treaty of Trianon stripped Hungary of 72% of its land. You call this fair?
Praune2Forevea 2 years ago
You need to find a map of the ethnic makeup of Austria-Hungary. Wikepedia has a nice one but if you don't trust Wikepedia...find one in a good atlas, or a good encyclopedia or read some books on the history of Austria-Hungary. That Transylvania area was predominantly Romanian speaking not Hungarians speaking.
the Magyars of Austria-Hungary were reputed to be as harsh with their minorities as the Austrian Germans or the German Empire.
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
you are canadian so you dont know anything about Romanian history.Romanians were in Transylvania since Antiquity.When hungarians came in the 10th century and conquered Trans. they brought hungarians to colonize.Yet in 1918 there were 78% Romanians there
TatooineBoy 2 years ago
History is written by the winners by friend. Stop trying to mislead people with your god damn false history bullshit because its not true.
Praune2Forevea 2 years ago
you tell me that I don't know MY OWN HISTORY?you are either a frustrated hungarian either -no offense- stupid
TatooineBoy 2 years ago
No I'm saying your history is all lies.
Praune2Forevea 2 years ago
well at least Romania has a history you guys have what?ehm....yeah.....something related to England....get a history my friend Canada is real bad at this chapter.And even an American told you about Romanians in Trans.
TatooineBoy 2 years ago
and btw if you say our history is lies go ask a Hungarian historian(not an immature extremist) and he will tell you what I and the American guy told you
TatooineBoy 2 years ago
I don't trust you, I don't trust the Hungarian historians, and I don't trust the Amercians because all their history was written by criminal jews. The entire system is fake and your denying it.
Praune2Forevea 2 years ago
ok you don't trust them I agree I dont trust 80% of them but you Deny the existence of 80% of Romanians in Trans. in present day?
TatooineBoy 2 years ago
Down with Versailles, down with Trianon...
RevisionNow 2 years ago 4
The versailles and treaty of Trianon were actually very fair.
Go to Wikepedia and see the article on "Austria-Hungary. the treaties actually broke up the empires by enthnic lines completely.
Hungarians part of Austria-hungary actually included many slavs,....Slovakians, Croatians, Serbs...plus many Romanians in Trasylvania...yes Hungary lost 2/3 of its area...but the slavs wanted freedom...they wanted self-rule.
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
They were supposed to follow the ethnic lines, they have not, however. Just for an example, over 1 million of Hungarian people become "Czechoslovakian" citizen, almost 2 million Hungarian become Rumanian (now called Romanian) citizen. And I should continue with the Germans in Silesia, Moravia, Elsass and Lothringen (Alsace and Lorraine), West Prussia.
No, they were not fair at all.
RevisionNow 2 years ago 3
transylvania had mostly Romanians living there with a Hungarian minority.
Alsace_Lorraine was never happy as part of the German Empire. In 1874 the first representatives they sent to the Reichstage...15 of the 15 representatives were opposed to the annexation...many of the alsatians left to move to France....Zabern affair in 1913 where Alsatians rebelled agaisnt German troops
W. Prussia and posen were 50/50 polish/German
Versailles treaty did give Sudeten Germans to Chechoslovakia
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
This is a part of reasons why WW2 happened.
xujince 2 years ago 6
I love you
Kukapetal 2 years ago
The world of lies! Forever!
I´m too?
987654321zeroDonner 2 years ago
Maybe the Third Reich was the new Jerusalem and Hitler Sargon III.
But Evil won WWII?!
Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people that will produce its fruit He wends to a listening group of german legionaries "You will it be!"
987654321zeroDonner 2 years ago
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fuck your name is fuking racist to islam so fuck you and your fuck lecture of ww2 cunt!
b9brap123 3 years ago
Treaty of Versailles is a shame and can be blamed for WW2.
Look at the borders. The Czech and Slovaks wanted even a bigger country. They even told a whacker to the russian tsar before the war, that Vienna is total slavic and they want to join it to later Czechslovakia.Even the new borders of Hungary were(are) 50km far from the real national borders.Thats why millions of germans and hungarians had to be deported!
And Poland was shifted 200km west!
somethingirreversib 3 years ago 26
A true shame was the cowardly behaviour of Allies before war. They made nothing when Hitler became more and more more strong. If they reacted earlier, there would be no this horror. The cancer button is little threatening, when one goes into liquidation him early. When himself it does not react, becomes more and more more strong. Till his removal becomes difficult and deadly.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
shut the fuck off... allies got what they deserved by this horrible (peace treaty) well, i don't consider it a (peace treaty) i consider it a (declaration of war).
hilletehnoob 3 years ago
@somethingirreversib You're RIGHT ! The JELOUS west european countries didn't want Hungary to be as big as it was !
They will pay for it ! It's COMING ! The world is changing fast, and west europe will DIE !
SuperiorHuns 1 year ago
@somethingirreversib well it seems that USA and Britiain have had more sympathy to Germans than to trelaible slavic allies. Versailles... Marshall Aid...Germans won once again. Greetings from Poland we know the truth.
kashoob2123 11 months ago
First Reich was a loose confederacy of tens small states. With difficulty to call this with the country. You suggest that Dutchmen have not rights to the own country? Germany are most important in the world. Neighbours let get out. I explained already why Austria-Hungary was a giant on clay-legs. Ten nationalities which did not want to be under the common yoke. Hapsburgs mastered with Czech so joined to Austria.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
2. When Austria lost the war with Prussia, categorically refused losses of Second Reich. Never there was the Soviet nationality , nor Yugoslav nationality. Who so speaks, misses behind those at times. This were multinational such countries as Austria-Hungary which ascertained that were sick of yokes.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
3.
The nation Soviet and Yugoslav are time-limits invented by local authorities wanting to hold to keep "status quo". I never was in Lublin. But is a part of my Homeland. So I would have the right to grow angry, if Lublin announced the secession. I am vain? Germans possessed and still possess the huge country. Czeches, not. Austria-Hungary were in the same way artificial as Yugoslav and USSR.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
@fucK0islAm0666
1.
Germany during the First World War was aggressors. Attacking on neutral Belgium and declaring war Russia. Austria-Hungary lived surely 10 nations which badly felt under the common yoke. Many from them already earlier it was independent. Austria-Hungary it was a giant on clay-legs. Natural that it scattered. The idea that people resident the
definite ground can decide for the membership is silly idea.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
2.
Because lets on easy shattering of states. Countries of the Entente proposed this, because on their own grounds did not have such problems. In the international policy there is no honesty. Only the reason of State. On definite grounds Germans they could have the own country. And on some grounds they had to be a minority. Germany was and is very large country. Otherwise they would determine the threat for the stay of neighbours.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
3.
Annexation of grounds which in spite of the German minority, on the ground of the German country were not. Lots and lots grounds. Very they dispersed right and left the world. Else would become very conceited. Sudeten Germans always were in Czech. When Czech were not independent, lived in the province the name Czech .
AZsaturn 3 years ago
4.
Local people will not decide about the national status. Why for the opinion not to ask other inhabitants of the country? Have such themselves rights. As other citizens of this country. You are American? If California will want to join to Mexico, you will let on this? Remaining states will have the right to grow angry ? Doubt, so that they permit. I never was in Lublin. But surely I would have the right to grow angry , if he wanted to become detached. It is a part of my Homeland.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
In 1866 Austria was at war with Prussia. The German country not yet existed. Austria became a part of Reich in 1938 . Earlier was a separate independent country from Reich. And the German state came into being in 1871. Austria remaining with himself.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
Czeches are a nation about so old as Poles. Or to yet older. Borders of present Czech are approximately such as in Middle Ages. Czech became a province of Hapsburgs. But as the province, remaining within current. After the recovery of the independence, they had the right to borders as in times of Austria-Hungary. If some province one wants to become detached, it is proper to ask the central authority for the opinion.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
Sudeten were not a part Germany, but Austria-Hungary within the framework of Czechc. Cannot so be that people dictate central authorities the national status. Otherwise become conceited and troublesome. Odd things you tell. The murderer one ought to exculpate, because had a sad childhood? Germany they attacked on almost all Europe. Justifies nothing these crimes.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
On this rule, you can put to death prisons, because every prisoner soon will say that he had a sad childhood or that so him was brought up. It not justifies. And the judge was brought up that as is the crime, had to be the punishment. Every is accountable for all, whereupon has an influence.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
A greatest stupidity of Allies was the absolute unresponsiveness, when Treaty of Versailles began to be broken. There would be no this nightmare, if attacked III Reich, when was still weak.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
Yes. Was part of Austria. Not Germany. And Czech were already independent before came Hapsburgs. Countries of Entente fixed the fad is which dictating of central authority by regions conditions. Because Englishmen, the French and Americans didn't have so troublesome grounds. If they had otherwise would speak. Who asked Czeches for the opinion? Czeches had the right to grow angry. No country doesn't let on the separation of the part of its own territory. Surely that it wants to commit suicide.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
'Racist assholes'? that kind of General also a bit hypocritical comeing from someone who calls themselves FuckIslam
AldoWrexham 3 years ago
Sudeten are a historic part of state of Czech. Never was a part Germany. Who lives in the definite country, this must be loyal. Or the out. If Sudeten Germans wanted to live in Germany, could voluntarily go to Germany! Sacred cows. Who invented, so that inhabitants of regions dictate conditions to central authorities of countries? This twists the order upside down. The map Czechoslovakia looked sadly, after the theft of this grounds.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
germans are hardworking,thrifty .with a technical mind.if they were to built commercial aircrafts ,there would be near
zero air crashes !makers of present day
aircrafts u know what i am talking about.!!
billions are involved,so germans out1
germans know how to obey their leader.
cosmicfile 3 years ago
i agree with .
cosmicfile 3 years ago
The treaty responsible for the second world war if you ask me. In a way the Allies can take responsibility for WW2
AldoWrexham 3 years ago
This is a shit. Various ethnic groups would have their separate countries? Bullshit!
Hungary lost 2/3 of its original size and 2.5 MILLION Hungarians were cut from the mothercountry. The Whole transilvania and whole of now south Slovakia was ethnicly almost purely Hungarian.
Falisfied fake documentary.
szjozsi 3 years ago
3.3 MILLION Hungarians were cut from the mothercountry!
hammerita 3 years ago 5
If they wanted to live in Germany, should leave to proper Germany. It is historically Czech grounds.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
Versailles was a crime!
Entschlossner87 3 years ago 4
1871 - 1919 GERMAN EMPIRE!
1945 - FUTURE = German EMPIRE
Federal Republic of Germany dont exist!
long life German Emperor Wilhelm
Versailer Treaty is blame for 2nd worldwar!!!
kurdologe09 3 years ago
and gee, I thought for sure when they said the breaking up of those nations into small nations.. would prove disastrous for the power hungry .. USSR!! It phased in at the same time! USSR swallowed up Eastern Europe, Asia, and had its fangs loaded to sink deep into Western Europe, but these liars always are forced to say, Germany is the epitomy of evil. Aw, who gives a blasted fart if Stalin murdered FIFTY MILLION and COMMIES MURDERED 100 MILLION.. shhhh, the leftwing doesn't want that truth told
AryanSpirituality 3 years ago
Hi Aryan, the video I'm doing is coming along nicely. If you unblock me I can tell you more.
snackegg 3 years ago
i agree with u.why are people against germans?
i find them brilliant and hard working.and loyal.
cosmicfile 3 years ago
And map mistake at 0:37 as Elsace and Lorrine was part of Germany before WW1. After the Versailles it was given to France. In WW2 and after the fall of France it became part of the German Reich. After 1945 it became again France.
QuickSixx 3 years ago
this treaty was nothing compearing toour treaty!
Zolega89 3 years ago
this treaty was a crime against humanity, since it would lead to such a tragedy 20 years later
bogsnuiter 3 years ago
JUSTICE FOR HUNGARY!!!VESSZEN TRIANON!!!copy paste pls!
suttogo4nyilas 3 years ago
They dismemberd Hungary with Trianon. It was an own Kingdom what was forced into the monarchy with Austria. Long story short "WW2 was the fault from french politicians"
QuickSixx 3 years ago
Still the same tactic in talks with Sensymilla, noone calls you a nazi, but you`r referring to thier sources. You`r doing the same what you`r blameing on others, "shooting" them down by accuseing of some "germanophoby" and calleing everone "nazi".
So if you belive in nazi "evidences", why you`ll not belive in other of thier theories? Becouse doesn`t make you to look better and more objective? As you said: "who reads NAZI Bulletins, except NAZIS?"
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
I`v red some "reports" of appeasment "activists", much in favor of Germans. One can belive that 1mio German minority deserved half of the Greater Poland and so called "corridor", but pop censuses says differet.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
You mean that "encyclopedia" written by internauts?
Czechs and Germans wanted that country, broke the Munich agreement and totally took Bohemia and Moravia, not only Sudetia.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
The logic thing is, when someone is attacking you, you shoot back. Poland was attacked and destroyed starting from 1772, do you expect Poles would give up their home so easy? The only one who is responsible for murdering Germans are Germans themselves. You "mess with the bull, you get the horns" or different: "you made us cry prussian evil, cry yourself now"!
Sensymilla 3 years ago
ElbeRiver - Do you think that partition of Poland and erase us from the european map for 123 years was a right thing???
You can tell about poor Germans, what about Kulturkampf, Deutscher Ostmarkenverein, "Selbstschutz" organization, brutal germanization after Germany, Aus-Hun and Russia partited Poland.
You don't want to see Germans harassing Poles during that time and accept that this treaty gave us freedom after 123 years of brutal occupation.
Sensymilla 3 years ago
in history, it has always been one opressing another, no one ever seems to want a compromise
outcastofhell 3 years ago 3
Appesment created war for real, Germany get even Bohemia and Moravia what was a most cowardly move i can imagine from the side of "allies".
Yeah, just like German industry made a great busyness on the forced labor or plain staling from conquared territories, not to mention how much art they stole.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
You call Czech rep. or Czechoslovakia an 'artificial' country? Are you all right?
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
"In this "Corridor", 1 Million Germans got harrassed"
-Stop lieing! The German monarchy was stealing our properity and denyeing any rights, even supressing becouse of religion for about century. In pre-war Poland even gays were decriminalised and every minority had its own party in parliment.
Why? Becouse of your wage war, our hiperinflation and closed borders, Weimar rep. was a paradise in comparation to Poland at that time.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
What a bullshit, either Pomerellia (not any "corridor") and Greater Poland (not any "Posen") had Polish majority, despite the century of germanisiation and colonisation policy.
"most hostile environment"
Another bullshit, Germans had even parlimentar representation and what about that Polish minority in Germany was (and is) about three millions?
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
The Treaty of Versailles was a total disaster. There was not a damn thing good about it at all. Germany was forced to take the blame for the start of WWI when they did not start the war. But what was the real disaster was the war debt they were forced to pay it plunged Germany into depression and ultimately led to the rise of Hitler and set the stages of another World war which was more bloodier then the last.
YamatoTitanic 3 years ago
Es lebe Deutschland!!!
sandruk82 3 years ago
The humiliation toward Germany through this and, previously, the armistice goes deep. The armistice was a myth, a lie:Germany made to feel they hadnt lost, when really the allies just didnt want to see any more men dead, it seemed pointless. Woodrow's ideals proved to shape European politics, what was but visionaries are now fundamentals today: 'self determination' of people such as the Slovaks, Austrians, and Hungarians. But frankly, this crippled their economy and spirit i mean, war guilt?pfft
Judas130 3 years ago
i agree Elbe!...well the holocaust referred to Germans is also nothing more but to curtain what you mentioned and what is to be followed i.e. Palestine!
archhangell 3 years ago
The Versailles treaties secured the break out of WWII. Those who maid the demands lacked reason and vision of the consequences.
Although there were some who warned that the german army hasn't been 'defeated' in the open field, and therefore it'd be a dangereous step to insult the german people with such a treaty.
bbenjoe 3 years ago
I agree... whatever grudges the "Good guys" had against Germany, it thought it was completely unfair to leave without some say in the process. Germany had every right to make a complaint. First of all , Germany is in the heart of Europe, and if something really bad happens to it, Europe will suffer. This was pretty much the case in 1923 and again in the early 1930s.
It amazes me that they did not modify the Treaty following the economic collapse of 1923...
DNchap1417 3 years ago
Germany is a fucking idiot!It lost nearly every war.
gun844 3 years ago
before ww1, germany had never lost a war as a united nation, except against napoleon in 1806 (and nearly everybody lost to him)
outcastofhell 3 years ago
There was no Germany as a state during Napoleon and actually most of the German states were on his side, either voluntary (like Saxxony) or not.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
This "treaty" was the biggest lie in History!! Now I skip the territorial and other material questions, focus only ethnic rights. The Entente, the Legaue of Nations, and the posterior states also guaranteed this rights, but the minorities has nothing by now, also in EU, 88 years after this shit... Thx
HuFritz 3 years ago
hi ^^ i was wonderin if anyone knows wen this was made?
reply asap please i need it for a project
thx
xxaznsarekawaiixx 4 years ago
France is responsible for WW2 and for million dead people. Lets dismember france just as they did that to Hungary and Germany. Lets humiliate them as they did that to us. We wont forget !
QuickSixx 4 years ago 3
I guess you already did that in WWII
eztamonia2 4 years ago 2
french are cultured and have a lovely language,they SHOULD NOT HAVE OPPRESED GERMANY.SILLY OF THEM.GREED?WHCH LED TO MILLIONS OF LIVES WASTED.THEY HAD OTHER PATNERS IN COMPLICITY TOO.
cosmicfile 3 years ago
furthermore, the treaty of versailles show how dangerous ideas can be. ideas such as democracy, self determination and human rights MUST NOT be enforced by some external power. it won't work. especially the idea of self determination linked with the notion of nation states proved disastrous. the structure of austria hungary was by far better suited to deal with europe's peoples.
matzenoe 4 years ago
the treaty of versailles is a magnificient example how the modern world has forgotten to make peace treaties. amnesty was a crucial part of peace treaties before 1919, but was deliberately ignored in versailles especially from the french delegates such as clemenceau.
matzenoe 4 years ago
this threaty was unfair, if it was fair hungaristan should be much smaller since they still occupy large areas of historichal slovakian teritory, so the mongols should praise God for this.
dezacordat 4 years ago
thx france thx great britian fucking asses
nasenweich 4 years ago 3
WE got the versailles dictate for protecting western europes ass from the Ottoman turk invasion in the 15-17th century!? thank you europe!!!!!
shame on you!
xiivampire 4 years ago
THan u did the same thing after the 2nd WW !!! double shame of europe!!
xiivampire 4 years ago
5 mmillion hungarians are under occupation till nowdays by slovakia, rumania, serbia.. Can u imagine when familys friends are separeted from each other? we want back our brothers and lands!!!!
xiivampire 4 years ago
DESTROY VERSAIILES!!!!!
DESTROY trianon PALACE !!!
SHAME OF EUROPE what u did to Hungary! not we started the war, and we were punished the most!!! JUSTICE FOR HUNGARY!!!!! I hope one day France will lost 70% of his land
xiivampire 4 years ago
France Bottled It
nigzylfc 4 years ago
aw the french have no balls anyhows...the Vichy backstabbers...oh ya nice fort..er maginot line...worked good
gotcha109 4 years ago
JUSTICE FOR HUNGARY !
CsakALoki 4 years ago 2
The Versailles treaties assured the breakout of World War II.
There is was a series about a joung Indian Jones. In one episode he was at the Versailles Treaty as a member of the belgian delegate. His friend remarked that chance of peace was lost and there will be war again in 10 or 20 years.
bbenjoe 4 years ago 2
Hungary's most distinguished emissaries were placed under house arrest and treated as criminals when they arrived in Paris. They were even prevented from communicating with their own government. This is to the eternal shame of France.
stevedn1 4 years ago 2
In Bohemia (presently known as Czech Republic) there were 3.25 million Sudeten Austrian Germans equal to 28% of the whole population. The eastern province of Ruthenia was "snipped off" and incorporated into the USSR after WW2 by Stalin.
stevedn1 4 years ago
The Treaty of Trianon was even more vindictive and draconian than Versailles -- Hungary lost 72% of her territory which included present day Slovakia and Croatia. Czechoslovakia was no more than an artificial creation and in the 1930s Czechia and Slovakia wanted to become two separate countries.
stevedn1 4 years ago
yeh,this is broad daylight robbery.
cosmicfile 3 years ago
This evil so-called "peace" treaty was more accurately described in Germany as the Versailles Diktat. The Versailles "Polish Corridor" and the creation of the Free City of Danzig were to be the main cause of the German-Polish conflict that broke out in 1939.
stevedn1 4 years ago
I am agree that is the greatest mistake in history
loveyoun 4 years ago 3
Just see that the most it hit Hungary when they took over the 1/3 from the country.Find more under "Trianon"
JUSTICE FOR HUNGARY !
QuickSixx 4 years ago
The greatest mistake was in not enforcing it.
LairdKeir 4 years ago
agrees
Daedric19 4 years ago
greatest mistake in history
Cyclonus21 4 years ago 2