I've only ever played the Turrican games on the Amiga, so I'm no expert on the C64 versions, but it looked like you were using a cheat mode. I saw at least a dozen times where you hit or got hit by something damaging and in my experience, that usually kills you in about 5 seconds.
@lurkerrekrul No cheating there. I could play the C64 version blind. ;) Too bad I put the message window above the status bar, or you could see... But maybe you have a look at some C64 longplay vid, to compare the damage taking process. Or you give me some timestamps, so I could see, if the collision detection is a bit special in this case on the C64. ^^
Turricam 2 is my 2nd favourite game of all time, only beaten by Unreal on the PC.
The music on the Amiga for Turrican was just truly brilliant, made the game. So mnay game developers dont realise its the music that immerses you int the game.
This is the 1st time I ever seen Turrican on a C64. Inferior to the Amiga version. But hats off to the C64 for being able to play Turrican. For such an old machine, shows just how great the C64 was.
Sounds more like you try too hard to convince yourself that the C64 version is better when in fact it is not. Jelous of the Amigas superiority back in the day?;)
@Chimmyt2 Back in the day I was just born, so I never witnissed any conflict like that, not even the Amiga/ST wars. ;)
The true purpose of this video is just to show all the stuff, I'm really missing, when playing on the Amiga. I should also have mentioned, that Manfred Trenz, the genius behind Turrican, programmed the C64 version, which surely is the reason for all those nice details I'm showing here.
@Turricanbronko Ok ok:) The Amiga Atari war was more like Germany invading Poland, blitzkrieg and "gg" lol.
I have to admit that when i watched a video of Turrican on the Amiga shortly after i must admire the Commodores greatness when it comes to gameplay and detail, it didnt have much power to boast in comparison. Great upload btw:)
@Chimmyt2 Thehe :D The Amiga version HAS some huge advantages though, such as great ingame music by Chris Hülsbeck in every level, and a very smooth scrolling. :)
@Bastiest Yes, it is. :D Manfred Trenz is the developer of the C64 R-Type port, so he embedded this small gag before the flight levels in TurricanII. It's missing on the Amiga, as well, d'uh... :D
@SzymSlay 1) The outtro is after the game of course, and looks like on the Amiga, as far as C64 Gfx can go. ;) 2) The giant walker? There is no giant walker in any Turrican 1. Turrican2 Amiga has it, but it DOESN't kick the wheel like a ball. xD 3) Yeah, would be great with the music... The flight levels DO have a great soundtrack though 4) Amiga rulez! :)
@MrFerdifuchs Ah great, here we have arguments, and on the other side the word "bullshit". I'm glad, that 90% of the viewers are smart enough to recognize, that I like both versions, and this video's purpose is, to demonstrate the pros of the C64 version, as everybody allready knows the one for the Amiga. See, the C64 version HAS those features, like an actually challenging fight against the machine. The only bullshit visible here, is in posts like yours. ;)
well, its a very strange attitude you have when you really intend to call this a comparision. Who wants to have a judge with a prebuild meaning that you obviously have? It´s a good c64 game I agree so far but does not even remotely achieve the quality on amiga. So bullshit is the only matching word for your "comparision" here.
its so wierd how nostalgia affects my opinion on these games. when i was younger i played only turrican 1 for c64, and the sequel on the amiga. so now i much prefer these 2 versions to any other. have to say tho those extra effects on c64 t2 are really nice n all, but t2 amigas music more than makes up for that ;)
@zakkattakk89 The Amiga music is awesome. I would love to have the C64 version with Amiga musics... However the flight levels still with Marcus Siebold's soundtrack... But that's nostalgia for me, maybe. ;)
Very cool video! :) I own the original C64 game and I spent hours on it when I was younger! I even tried the Amiga version some years later, but the C64 one is definetely the best! :)
I played Turrican 1 first on the C64 and then soon after bought an Amiga 500 in the same year which was 1990 for which i then played the Amiga version, but for the 2nd incarnation of Turrican i obviously played the Amiga version first and although the Amiga version is brilliant!!! I can definitely see the merit in what you are saying about the C64 version of Turrican 2 :) It does seem to be just that little bit better.
And about the graphics... I seriously don't understand the people who scoff at the C64 version's visuals. Sure, some of the small sprites (including main sprite) don't look so good, but everything else - levels, background, bosses - look almost the same, just less colourful. I would even say that the C64 version's graphics are much more impressive considering the technical limitations.
It seems the later bosses are harder on C64 while the first two are actually a lot easier. In the first boss battle the falling rocks are absent while in the second the laser beam is not aimed at you and always fires at the same spot. Both times you can just stand in one place and shoot away.
Also the music is a matter of taste. I didn't enjoy the music of T2 on the C64 as much as T1.
When I got an Amiga in 1990 I didn't even bother trying to sell the old C64, I just gave it away. I considered it an old piece of junk at the time. By the time I turned 17 in 1992, I discovered what one could do with REAL Amiga's(girlfriend) and playing video games had become seriously uncool all of the sudden, I sold my 500 for FL 900,- (about 600 quid)!!! Thank God I was a commodore kid in the 80's and early 90's, my life wouldn't have been the same without these two wonderful machines.
The C64 misses the awesome soundtrack by Chris Hülsbeck, other than that, it is just as awesome as on the Amiga (half the graphic power but double the charm :) )
I'd say more technically impressive on C64 regards to how the machine got pushed, but the music alone and sheer vibrancy of the Amiga version makes it more of a joy to experience- a preference of course concerning the visual side
I do like some of the extras the C64 got and so may have to play this again to completion
Genius video. Love the text and play so much. You got the timing just perfect. Only thing I found was the sound on the right ear cuts out at 1min57secs. Please fix
As much as i love the C64, I played Turrican 2 on Amiga first, and there's just too many things I'd miss when playing the C64 version.
Shame the game has some bad design choices. Infinite wheel mode makes the final boss a joke for example.
Some of the levels are also extremely uninteresting, like the blue labyrinth after the spacecraft levels. The alien levels are also just big and tedious and completely uninteresting. The first 4 levels + spaceship levels are the best IMO.
Funny, that you mention it, as some of those "bad design choices" didn't happen on the C64!
As you see in the video, you fight the final boss with a jet pack on the C64, and the labyrinth is filled with those strange things, that come after you if you shoot them, OR hold lots of power-ups. OK, I guess, those things won't make the level better for you (I liked it), but the final boss is a huge improvement!
Play Hülsbeck's Amiga music in the background, while playing the C64 version! :D
A lot of your positives seem rather silly, like how there are blocks you don't know whether they are visible or not, but you can see the spikes. That's NOT good game design. And lack of music in a game REALLY hurts how much fun it can be.
Ah I get it. Not SPIKES, I'm speaking of SPLICES there. In level 4-1, there are many secret passages, that are not secret on the Amiga at all, as you can tell the difference between those secret passage bricks in the wall, and solid bricks. On the C64 version, the bricks in those secret passages just look like the wall. But they are placed in a way, that you can see the SPLICES forming the passage, if you look close enough. Now that's a secret passage.
One of the few C64 games I actually bought :) Played and failed on the first few levels a few times, then suddenly played it all the way through to the end in one big adrenalin rush! Never experienced that again :)
It's the last level (the final fight if you like) which is the real difference between the 8 and 16 bit versions. Maybe the limitations of the C64 worked in it's favour for this stage, instead of grindingly going up rising platforms it was just a vertical shooter which apart from being less tedious it was consistent with the first game
Exactly! Turrican2 on the C64 has more lives to find, some of them in places, that don't exist on the Amiga (Like those I showed in the video).
As there are more lives, it's only fair, to have a harder game play as well.
So, you don't feel rewarded only, it was even useful. If you don't play so good, it's your only way to beat the game! And as you said, it's so much fun, to find those hidden things. :)
The Amiga version is already far too liberal on the extra lives. When reaching the "alien" type levels I was at around 14 lives and it felt like I was using a trainer.
@Turricanbronko - Maybe YOU lose less lives, I average a life every 30 seconds! Accidentally jump on a spike and half your life is gone. Drop into a pit, you immediately have bats swarming around you and your life meter goes down like a bonus counter at the end of a level. Climb uphill and you have the little robots dropping on your head every step of the way, 2 of which are enough to kill you. The fast ship sections have you crashing into the scenery every couple of seconds.
Amiga version is better... music means a lot in a game... and of course graphics too... in amiga version you don't find 1ups in every possible secret... and if you find the that's almost impossible to find 4 at once...
Music means in deed a lot, graphics however are only about style.
So, we've got better looking graphics on the Amiga, but what you see on the C64 is as capable in transporting the atmosphere. There are even some places, that look better on the C64. (Like the parallax scrolling water drops).
Talking about atmosphere, that is the point, where music comes in. Good musics creates the right atmosphere. No music however creates an atmosphere as well, which fit's quite well to Turrican, combined with the sound effects.
Compared to Hülsbeck musics, no music looses the match, that's clear. ;) Siebold's musics in the flight levels however, don't need to be ashamed in that comparism.
So as said at the beginning of the video: No music, slightly less nice graphics (...partly!), BUT... ^^
I agree with you. Turrican 2 is a lot more playable on the C64. I feel the same way about T1. T2 on the Amiga is an amazing game of course, but way too hard for me! The music though, is just outstanding. I wish they had the same tunes on the 64 (like with the original Turrican, the tunes were converted for the Amiga).
The music was a big part of what made that game great on amiga, 'The Wall' level epecially, think i'll listen to that now.... and you did have to roll into that secret room an amiga
The cooler boss nr 3 is just worse!! And the graphics are evil, too! Turrican, his ballmode and the maps looked faaar better on the amiga. FAAAR BEEEETTER! So far that I cant see it anymore. Cooler boss nr 4 = Same boss. Nothings cooler, except they stole him in Metroid 3. I bet they too the jetpack for the last level because the C64 couldnt handle the lifts^^ Its actually the same as under water. C64...pah!!
01Mai1983 , i love turrican as much as anyone who played as a kid, but did you ever see the arcade machine "psyconics Oscar" ?, a few elements of that game were the inspiration for the developers, apparently.The main sprite is quite similar, and even the musical arrangement is somewhat stylistically similar.
Turrican got inspired by many games, such as Metroid (the wheel), Mario, Psycho-Nics Oscar is already mentioned (I don't know, if that is a good game, though), and by some small elements of other games...
if you love turrican, you will LOVE psycho-nics orscar, and recognize a great many boss designs etc, and if you are VERY observant you will notice musical stylistic features almost identical to turrican.
anyway, i enjoyed your videos, hope you can get time to play Psycho-NIcs Oscar, its a brilliant game to say the least.
im going to play it now as its really is a great arcade game to say the least. one of those almost perfect games.
And im not saying turrican is a rip off, it was so original at the time, there was nothing like it at home , or in the arcade, to me turrican is like the guy from OSCAR on steroids, bloody fantastic game. i just like to see orscar get a good mention as it clearly has inspired turricans design.
Compared to the Amiga Version the C64 version is playable crap. It may look good and sound good. The fun ends already when seeing the character blocks around the shots.
If I have a look at the Amiga version of Turrican II in detail, I miss the details from the C64 one.
Admitted, if I play it on the C64, I miss the musics from the Amiga (Except in the flight levels). Graphically, I like both versions in their own way. So that is the point, where you look at the wrong kind of details, if you ask me. The right ones are shown in the video. ;)
Yeah, would be cool. I didn't know the game was released for other systems than the C64 as well. Oh wel, to be honest I only care about the C64 anyway. :-)
And as it's a comlete new game, it cannot be compared to Mega Turrican(Sega Megadrive) / Turrican3 (Amiga).
But hey, I could make a video, that shows, why Turrican3 is meant to be played on the Megadrive, despite the worse musics. Hey, quite like this video here! :D
I don't really see how its better. The only difference i can see worth noting, or at all id the graphic and sound quality is better on the Amiga version. This one does have a charm to it though.
Turrican 1 and 2 was always best on the Commodore 64. There one noticed the original Turrican is. With the Amiga or Atari computern became with Turrican then only misses done.
I don't know, it happens at random. They found that bug, but couldn't find, what causes it. So instead "vergiss is" was implemented. :D
So just play and try. With the meulator VICE I got it quite often. More than I remember from my C64. (There it came,too, but sometimes, it also crashed totally, and one time, it generated a funny level 1-1 afterwards, with all wrong tile information)
However, write protecting the *.d64 file actually does reconstruct "VERGISS ES" !
But maybe, it is just one way to trigger it, obviously the software detects a problem with saving the highscore on a write protected disc...I still remember the game, displaying this randomly, even without restarting the game...
If there is no writeable notch the disk isn't writeable by the disk drive. That might be different with an emulator but only if it isn't honoring this agreement
if you have the unmodified (with write protection) original turrican2 disk you can't save the highscore. If the VERGISS ES occures in other circumstances one had to check the source code ... shouldn't be a problem because you see which routines jump to that text routine ...
I don't know, if someone modified the disc, but as some highscores were saved on it, it is probable...
However, there are at least two disc versions with different contents (Some minor differences in level design), so maybe one of them never was write protected. :D
I'm talking about the original (ergo: bought) versions. There are a lot of cracked copies floating around.
There is a disk version and a datasette version. The Datasette version is slightly different to the disk version. In the past you could only find cracked versions (on disk) of the datasette version because it is easier cracked. As far as I know there were no working crack for the Turrican 2 disk version (that might have changed).
We looked into the protectionbut it was a very decent one.
Oh, that was easy, the datasette version doesn't even have the blue loading bar...
But beside that, it's just like our old original disc version, having a maximum of three bars for laser, only one way up in the water level, etc.
The disc versions in the web have got the blue loading bars, and no datasette stuff like rewind for continue, but in gamedesing, they have the other content: Five bars for maximum laser, etc.
Equally you could say the C64 version lacked some of the amiga's nice details, such as the copper coloured backdrops, the excellent music throughout, the smooth animation of the main character, the 50 frames a second scrolling, the faster loading, more colourful graphics, better sfx. They were both great versions in their own ways...
Actually i totally agree with you as you can't beat the sheer artistry of the original programmed by Manfred Trenz. I wonder what he's up to nowadays. Wasn't there supposed to be a 3D turrican for pc or something?
I'd say that what we need is a fan remake, with the C64's additional gameplay goodies and the amiga version's graphics and music (of course, you'd be able to switch between the c64 music and the amiga music on stages 3.x and 5.2.)
One the one hand it would be a cool thing, but on the other somewhat too much effort, which would be better made on some other complete new Turrican project. ;)
Well, the T2002 level Editor is quite simple to handle. The integrated help includes a nice tutorial. And if you have any questions, such as "How can I change sprites?", you allways can ask me. :)
However, the T2002 editor does not support spaceship or jetpack levels... (Morgul Returns uses the buggy T2002F beta, which is sadly not released. It's a long and sad story, how it finally got used semi legal in Morgul Returns...)
Also, i'm trying to run T2 in VICE (as i don't have a real C64, and copies of C64 T2 seem to be uncommon on eBay), and i can't get bren to move. i can make him do the surround attack, and that's it. i have controls configured to Rctrl+arrow keys...
You can use any Gamepd with VICE, as long as you can feed intWindows. Just look in your system control panel, open there Gamecontrollers, and calibrate your pad. However, it that gravis pad is for the C64, it won't work with a PC com-port.
TurricanII C64 uses the joystick in Port 2. However, there is a cracked trainer version of T2, using the real arrow keys for configurating the trainer! So better just don't define the arrow-keys to a joystick, use WASD, or something like that. ;)
The biggest thing about the NES version is that the music made heart catch on fire. When I played it on a Mac, it was good. When I played it on Windows, and was listenable free.
I've only ever played the Turrican games on the Amiga, so I'm no expert on the C64 versions, but it looked like you were using a cheat mode. I saw at least a dozen times where you hit or got hit by something damaging and in my experience, that usually kills you in about 5 seconds.
lurkerrekrul 4 months ago
@lurkerrekrul No cheating there. I could play the C64 version blind. ;) Too bad I put the message window above the status bar, or you could see... But maybe you have a look at some C64 longplay vid, to compare the damage taking process. Or you give me some timestamps, so I could see, if the collision detection is a bit special in this case on the C64. ^^
Turricanbronko 4 months ago
Turricam 2 is my 2nd favourite game of all time, only beaten by Unreal on the PC.
The music on the Amiga for Turrican was just truly brilliant, made the game. So mnay game developers dont realise its the music that immerses you int the game.
This is the 1st time I ever seen Turrican on a C64. Inferior to the Amiga version. But hats off to the C64 for being able to play Turrican. For such an old machine, shows just how great the C64 was.
Dookiedolf 5 months ago
What are all of these songs playing and where can I download them?
Apathesis0 6 months ago
@Apathesis0 Read the video description, and the video text, when a new track starts. ;)
Turricanbronko 6 months ago
@Turricanbronko I did, but I am curious what songs are playing during the video?
Apathesis0 6 months ago
@Apathesis0 That's, what I wrote in the text, every time, a new song begins. :)
Turricanbronko 6 months ago
@Turricanbronko Finally found them. Thanks.
Apathesis0 6 months ago
2.06 - The point i fell in love with Turrican, and computer games in general!
Morden101 6 months ago
Sounds more like you try too hard to convince yourself that the C64 version is better when in fact it is not. Jelous of the Amigas superiority back in the day?;)
Chimmyt2 8 months ago in playlist Amiga/C64 Nostalgia
@Chimmyt2 Back in the day I was just born, so I never witnissed any conflict like that, not even the Amiga/ST wars. ;)
The true purpose of this video is just to show all the stuff, I'm really missing, when playing on the Amiga. I should also have mentioned, that Manfred Trenz, the genius behind Turrican, programmed the C64 version, which surely is the reason for all those nice details I'm showing here.
So it is the true TurricanII. ;)
Turricanbronko 8 months ago
@Turricanbronko Ok ok:) The Amiga Atari war was more like Germany invading Poland, blitzkrieg and "gg" lol.
I have to admit that when i watched a video of Turrican on the Amiga shortly after i must admire the Commodores greatness when it comes to gameplay and detail, it didnt have much power to boast in comparison. Great upload btw:)
Chimmyt2 8 months ago
@Chimmyt2 Thehe :D The Amiga version HAS some huge advantages though, such as great ingame music by Chris Hülsbeck in every level, and a very smooth scrolling. :)
Turricanbronko 8 months ago
@Chimmyt2..and germany lost anyway;) it simply took a bit more time;)
iwiiiti84 4 months ago
T2 C64: Brilliant jump'n'shoot.
T2 AMIGA: Orgiastic Space Opera steeming with atmosphere.
Why? - Music. Music=Atmosphere.
Give me a C64 version with SID renditions of the Huelsbeck compositions and I might agree, until then it's meant to be played on the Amiga, ffs! ;.)
HerrCrossy 9 months ago
@HerrCrossy Listen to your Amiga, while PLAYING on the C64! :P ;)
Turricanbronko 9 months ago
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@Turricanbronko Not the worst idea actually - just need someone that changes the tunes according to the levels/bosses!! ;-)
HerrCrossy 9 months ago
Well let's just agree that both C=64 and AMIGA Versions are better than the Atari ST Version ;-)
MrBrown77 10 months ago
I'm gonna spend the rest of my life watching C64 videos in here.
BustyGretchen 10 months ago
Whoah, is it just me or is that a R-Type refference up there in chains at 2:00 minute mark? :o
Bastiest 10 months ago
@Bastiest Yes, it is. :D Manfred Trenz is the developer of the C64 R-Type port, so he embedded this small gag before the flight levels in TurricanII. It's missing on the Amiga, as well, d'uh... :D
Turricanbronko 10 months ago
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curbuser 11 months ago
i tells you when you complete this that i used all the c64 memory bar 4 bits.
thay could not sqeeze any more out of the machine if thay wanted to.
the c64 at its best.
thesman32 1 year ago
your overall argument seems to be 'its better cos its harder'
madcapoperator 1 year ago
@madcapoperator Partly, yes :) Because those places, where it's harder, the Amiga version actually is LAME! :(
Look at that giant space ship. Amiga players just can stand in this hole and shoot out, without being in danger whatsoever...
Not to mention the missing enemies in that labyrinth there, making it the most boring stage on the Amiga. (Bless this short cut!)
The other part, which makes it better for me, are the additional details, like the giant walker kicking the wheel off the screen. :D
Turricanbronko 1 year ago
Which god is better? Jove or Mars?
Chrono256 1 year ago
1) Ehem....wher's the outro? 2) Big boss nr.5 was in turrican 1 on amiga 3) no music ;P 4) respect for C64 but....AMIGA RULEZZ!!!!
SzymSlay 1 year ago
@SzymSlay 1) The outtro is after the game of course, and looks like on the Amiga, as far as C64 Gfx can go. ;) 2) The giant walker? There is no giant walker in any Turrican 1. Turrican2 Amiga has it, but it DOESN't kick the wheel like a ball. xD 3) Yeah, would be great with the music... The flight levels DO have a great soundtrack though 4) Amiga rulez! :)
Turricanbronko 1 year ago
@Turricanbronko hehe yeah i suppose you're right :) And you know what?? C64rulezz too :)) Peace!!!
SzymSlay 1 year ago
all of your arguments are bullshit, turrican 2 on amiga is the benchmark for any computer game ever made...
MrFerdifuchs 1 year ago
@MrFerdifuchs Ah great, here we have arguments, and on the other side the word "bullshit". I'm glad, that 90% of the viewers are smart enough to recognize, that I like both versions, and this video's purpose is, to demonstrate the pros of the C64 version, as everybody allready knows the one for the Amiga. See, the C64 version HAS those features, like an actually challenging fight against the machine. The only bullshit visible here, is in posts like yours. ;)
That should have fed the troll...
Turricanbronko 1 year ago 5
@Turricanbronko
well, its a very strange attitude you have when you really intend to call this a comparision. Who wants to have a judge with a prebuild meaning that you obviously have? It´s a good c64 game I agree so far but does not even remotely achieve the quality on amiga. So bullshit is the only matching word for your "comparision" here.
MrFerdifuchs 1 year ago 3
its so wierd how nostalgia affects my opinion on these games. when i was younger i played only turrican 1 for c64, and the sequel on the amiga. so now i much prefer these 2 versions to any other. have to say tho those extra effects on c64 t2 are really nice n all, but t2 amigas music more than makes up for that ;)
zakkattakk89 1 year ago
@zakkattakk89 The Amiga music is awesome. I would love to have the C64 version with Amiga musics... However the flight levels still with Marcus Siebold's soundtrack... But that's nostalgia for me, maybe. ;)
Turricanbronko 1 year ago
Bronko knows best ! ;)
Turrican0815 1 year ago
Is this the original commodore 64 music ?
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth No, those are Turrican inspired tracks created by fans, available at the Turrican Soundbase.
Turricanbronko 1 year ago
Very cool video! :) I own the original C64 game and I spent hours on it when I was younger! I even tried the Amiga version some years later, but the C64 one is definetely the best! :)
AldoProg 1 year ago
I played Turrican 1 first on the C64 and then soon after bought an Amiga 500 in the same year which was 1990 for which i then played the Amiga version, but for the 2nd incarnation of Turrican i obviously played the Amiga version first and although the Amiga version is brilliant!!! I can definitely see the merit in what you are saying about the C64 version of Turrican 2 :) It does seem to be just that little bit better.
blade004 1 year ago
wow that ship looks like the r9 from rtype
y2k4ever1 1 year ago
And at the end a protip: Get a C64 emulator and the soundtrack for Turrican on Amiga in mp3 format. There. Most commom complaint solved.
dipshitdoodah 1 year ago
And about the graphics... I seriously don't understand the people who scoff at the C64 version's visuals. Sure, some of the small sprites (including main sprite) don't look so good, but everything else - levels, background, bosses - look almost the same, just less colourful. I would even say that the C64 version's graphics are much more impressive considering the technical limitations.
dipshitdoodah 1 year ago
It seems the later bosses are harder on C64 while the first two are actually a lot easier. In the first boss battle the falling rocks are absent while in the second the laser beam is not aimed at you and always fires at the same spot. Both times you can just stand in one place and shoot away.
Also the music is a matter of taste. I didn't enjoy the music of T2 on the C64 as much as T1.
dipshitdoodah 1 year ago
Mein Schwengel ist so gross ... aber zum Thema - kannst Dein Video noch mal hochladen damit auch der Google VP6 Codec geht?
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7 Nein, ich habe das Original nicht mehr...
Turricanbronko 1 year ago
fuck the amiga - that's the best version
r8qt7 1 year ago
When I got an Amiga in 1990 I didn't even bother trying to sell the old C64, I just gave it away. I considered it an old piece of junk at the time. By the time I turned 17 in 1992, I discovered what one could do with REAL Amiga's(girlfriend) and playing video games had become seriously uncool all of the sudden, I sold my 500 for FL 900,- (about 600 quid)!!! Thank God I was a commodore kid in the 80's and early 90's, my life wouldn't have been the same without these two wonderful machines.
indivum 1 year ago
The C64 misses the awesome soundtrack by Chris Hülsbeck, other than that, it is just as awesome as on the Amiga (half the graphic power but double the charm :) )
DIMORULEZ 1 year ago
I'd say more technically impressive on C64 regards to how the machine got pushed, but the music alone and sheer vibrancy of the Amiga version makes it more of a joy to experience- a preference of course concerning the visual side
I do like some of the extras the C64 got and so may have to play this again to completion
Adropacrich2 1 year ago
Genius video. Love the text and play so much. You got the timing just perfect. Only thing I found was the sound on the right ear cuts out at 1min57secs. Please fix
nicholasthetaylor 2 years ago
Thanks!
Yes, YouTube ate the stereo.... but you can add &fmt=18 to the video-URL, to have better image quality, and stereo sound even after minute 1:57 . :)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
@Turricanbronko adding &fmt=18 made the video worse actually :P
pastorrtom 1 year ago
@pastorrtom Oh, true! :D The &fmt=18 thing comes from the time, when YouTube set a worse quality as standard...
Turricanbronko 1 year ago
As much as i love the C64, I played Turrican 2 on Amiga first, and there's just too many things I'd miss when playing the C64 version.
Shame the game has some bad design choices. Infinite wheel mode makes the final boss a joke for example.
Some of the levels are also extremely uninteresting, like the blue labyrinth after the spacecraft levels. The alien levels are also just big and tedious and completely uninteresting. The first 4 levels + spaceship levels are the best IMO.
God00000010 2 years ago
Funny, that you mention it, as some of those "bad design choices" didn't happen on the C64!
As you see in the video, you fight the final boss with a jet pack on the C64, and the labyrinth is filled with those strange things, that come after you if you shoot them, OR hold lots of power-ups. OK, I guess, those things won't make the level better for you (I liked it), but the final boss is a huge improvement!
Play Hülsbeck's Amiga music in the background, while playing the C64 version! :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
A lot of your positives seem rather silly, like how there are blocks you don't know whether they are visible or not, but you can see the spikes. That's NOT good game design. And lack of music in a game REALLY hurts how much fun it can be.
anupsanju 2 years ago
Blocks, spikes?
Ah I get it. Not SPIKES, I'm speaking of SPLICES there. In level 4-1, there are many secret passages, that are not secret on the Amiga at all, as you can tell the difference between those secret passage bricks in the wall, and solid bricks. On the C64 version, the bricks in those secret passages just look like the wall. But they are placed in a way, that you can see the SPLICES forming the passage, if you look close enough. Now that's a secret passage.
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Ah, I see. Never mind then :). That there C64 version should come to VC.
anupsanju 2 years ago
Yeah, but with physics, graphics and musics from the Amiga version. That would be great. And not only on VC! ;)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
One of the few C64 games I actually bought :) Played and failed on the first few levels a few times, then suddenly played it all the way through to the end in one big adrenalin rush! Never experienced that again :)
tsuihark 2 years ago
Seems you learned to play Turrican then! :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
It's the last level (the final fight if you like) which is the real difference between the 8 and 16 bit versions. Maybe the limitations of the C64 worked in it's favour for this stage, instead of grindingly going up rising platforms it was just a vertical shooter which apart from being less tedious it was consistent with the first game
SickmanDamian666 2 years ago
I beat the c64 version with 76 lives left so it's not just the amiga one which has an abundance of 1ups
SickmanDamian666 2 years ago
Actually, you find more lives on the C64, and it's still harder. :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
But I found that was half the fun of playing Turrican, it rewarded you for exploring rather than taking the beaten path.
SickmanDamian666 2 years ago
Exactly! Turrican2 on the C64 has more lives to find, some of them in places, that don't exist on the Amiga (Like those I showed in the video).
As there are more lives, it's only fair, to have a harder game play as well.
So, you don't feel rewarded only, it was even useful. If you don't play so good, it's your only way to beat the game! And as you said, it's so much fun, to find those hidden things. :)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
The Amiga version is already far too liberal on the extra lives. When reaching the "alien" type levels I was at around 14 lives and it felt like I was using a trainer.
God00000010 2 years ago
So, there you see, why I think, the Amiga version is too easy. It's not the amount of extra-lives, which is wrong. You just lose too less of them!
On the other hand, I read from many people, that they never beat that game, so once again, a difficulty setting would be just great. ;)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
@Turricanbronko - Maybe YOU lose less lives, I average a life every 30 seconds! Accidentally jump on a spike and half your life is gone. Drop into a pit, you immediately have bats swarming around you and your life meter goes down like a bonus counter at the end of a level. Climb uphill and you have the little robots dropping on your head every step of the way, 2 of which are enough to kill you. The fast ship sections have you crashing into the scenery every couple of seconds.
lurkerrekrul 4 months ago
@lurkerrekrul It's all about reacting fast and turn into the wheel IMMEDIATELY! :D
Turricanbronko 4 months ago
Amiga version is better... music means a lot in a game... and of course graphics too... in amiga version you don't find 1ups in every possible secret... and if you find the that's almost impossible to find 4 at once...
gupidamis 2 years ago
Music means in deed a lot, graphics however are only about style.
So, we've got better looking graphics on the Amiga, but what you see on the C64 is as capable in transporting the atmosphere. There are even some places, that look better on the C64. (Like the parallax scrolling water drops).
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Talking about atmosphere, that is the point, where music comes in. Good musics creates the right atmosphere. No music however creates an atmosphere as well, which fit's quite well to Turrican, combined with the sound effects.
Compared to Hülsbeck musics, no music looses the match, that's clear. ;) Siebold's musics in the flight levels however, don't need to be ashamed in that comparism.
So as said at the beginning of the video: No music, slightly less nice graphics (...partly!), BUT... ^^
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
...BUT.... the gameplay! It's still the most important part of a game for me. And TurricanII on the amiga has two huge problems for me:
1) It's too damn easy! The bosses are a joke!
2) Where are all those nice little features, like the giant walker kicking the wheel? It's like EA-games, now with more graphics and less behind. ;)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
I wish Manfred Trenz had made a game specifically for the Amiga. It would have been stunning...
retronostalgic 2 years ago
I agree with you. Turrican 2 is a lot more playable on the C64. I feel the same way about T1. T2 on the Amiga is an amazing game of course, but way too hard for me! The music though, is just outstanding. I wish they had the same tunes on the 64 (like with the original Turrican, the tunes were converted for the Amiga).
303bassline 2 years ago
Oh, wait, you think the Amiga version is harder?
That's not, what I want to say here, in my opinion, the Amiga version is even too easy! 0_o
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
The music was a big part of what made that game great on amiga, 'The Wall' level epecially, think i'll listen to that now.... and you did have to roll into that secret room an amiga
lorcansavo 2 years ago 2
Afaik, you can jump in there as well, but I'll test it again.
But you are right, the music is one of the best reasons for the Amiga version.
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
The cooler boss nr 3 is just worse!! And the graphics are evil, too! Turrican, his ballmode and the maps looked faaar better on the amiga. FAAAR BEEEETTER! So far that I cant see it anymore. Cooler boss nr 4 = Same boss. Nothings cooler, except they stole him in Metroid 3. I bet they too the jetpack for the last level because the C64 couldnt handle the lifts^^ Its actually the same as under water. C64...pah!!
stonefacex 2 years ago
The C64 was a wonderful machine.
Laoch111 2 years ago
Manfred Trenz on the cooler boss 4 ;)
01Mai1983 2 years ago
btw i prefer on c 64 the first turrican, because the surround shoot was a flash and not those ugly dots ;)
and i think it looks a little bit prettier, but turrican ist the godfather of all shooter ;)
01Mai1983 2 years ago
01Mai1983 , i love turrican as much as anyone who played as a kid, but did you ever see the arcade machine "psyconics Oscar" ?, a few elements of that game were the inspiration for the developers, apparently.The main sprite is quite similar, and even the musical arrangement is somewhat stylistically similar.
Great video Turricanbronko !
bastardtubeuser 2 years ago
Turrican got inspired by many games, such as Metroid (the wheel), Mario, Psycho-Nics Oscar is already mentioned (I don't know, if that is a good game, though), and by some small elements of other games...
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
if you love turrican, you will LOVE psycho-nics orscar, and recognize a great many boss designs etc, and if you are VERY observant you will notice musical stylistic features almost identical to turrican.
anyway, i enjoyed your videos, hope you can get time to play Psycho-NIcs Oscar, its a brilliant game to say the least.
bastardtubeuser 2 years ago
im going to play it now as its really is a great arcade game to say the least. one of those almost perfect games.
And im not saying turrican is a rip off, it was so original at the time, there was nothing like it at home , or in the arcade, to me turrican is like the guy from OSCAR on steroids, bloody fantastic game. i just like to see orscar get a good mention as it clearly has inspired turricans design.
bastardtubeuser 2 years ago
Uh, oh, ok, going to fire up my Mame. ;)
And Turrican is rather a mix-of than a rip-off. Like all the best of every game, combined with a good portion of new stuff. :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
the music is incredible!!
mirkokosmos06 2 years ago
Feel free, to download them at the turrican . eu soundbase! :)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
I did. :)
thanks a lot!
mirkokosmos06 2 years ago
Compared to the Amiga Version the C64 version is playable crap. It may look good and sound good. The fun ends already when seeing the character blocks around the shots.
olynxmano 2 years ago
It's sad for you, that so little things spoil your fun.
Seriously, your life must be livable crap from that point of view. ;)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
My life was more like this phantastic firework of experiences that the AMIGA version presented back in those days ;)
olynxmano 2 years ago
So, your life had great musics and graphics, but lacked in nice little details? ;D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
You actually don't need any details, if everything is a "detail" in all possible directions ;)
olynxmano 2 years ago
If I have a look at the Amiga version of Turrican II in detail, I miss the details from the C64 one.
Admitted, if I play it on the C64, I miss the musics from the Amiga (Except in the flight levels). Graphically, I like both versions in their own way. So that is the point, where you look at the wrong kind of details, if you ask me. The right ones are shown in the video. ;)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Yeah, would be cool. I didn't know the game was released for other systems than the C64 as well. Oh wel, to be honest I only care about the C64 anyway. :-)
Bergen79 2 years ago
The C64 Turrican 3 has nothing to do with the other versions.
So if you like Turrican, check them out, (as they are just different games), and if you like C64 games only, don't. ;)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Do you know Turrican 3 was released for the Commodore 64 in 2004? It's a free download, you can get it at lemon64.
Bergen79 2 years ago
Yes, nice game. :D
Not so nice collision detection though... ;)
And as it's a comlete new game, it cannot be compared to Mega Turrican(Sega Megadrive) / Turrican3 (Amiga).
But hey, I could make a video, that shows, why Turrican3 is meant to be played on the Megadrive, despite the worse musics. Hey, quite like this video here! :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
I don't really see how its better. The only difference i can see worth noting, or at all id the graphic and sound quality is better on the Amiga version. This one does have a charm to it though.
NSOmega2 2 years ago
It's about all those little details, that are missing on the Amiga. In exchange for nicer sound and graphics you get a duller design and game play.
Oh and just switch to HD and read the text next time, I did even mention the Amiga's superior graphics and musics at the very beginning of the video.
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Turrican 1 and 2 was always best on the Commodore 64. There one noticed the original Turrican is. With the Amiga or Atari computern became with Turrican then only misses done.
Kitt89 2 years ago
Yes, as I remember, many games were easier to play on C64 than on Amiga.
Phonolith303 2 years ago
Not this one! :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
You get more lives on C64 and some bosses are easier to duck..
Phonolith303 2 years ago
Other bosses are much harder, like the one in 3-2, and The Machine of course...
And as sthe scrolling isn't as smooth as on the Amiga, that allready makes the game a bit harder. ;)
The xtra enemies in 4-1 -> harder
etc. ;)
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Absolutely true, what's said in this video! Good job & god save the C=64!!
Trondyard 2 years ago
The first music piece is absolutely fantastic, anyone got the name or know if its from the Turrican games?
Veslefrikkos 2 years ago
As seen at 0:03 it's "Funny64" by Sebuko, which is not from a Turrican game. It's a a remix.
Look at the upper right video information, to see, where it's available for download.
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Why don't you geeks get a life?
RitschardLoewenherz 2 years ago
After playing Turrican2, I've got over 20 lives at least...
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
LOL - I play it with my playmate on my side ...
r8qt7 2 years ago 2
Why don't you get laid?
I mean, why bother replying to a stupid comment with anything more intelligent?
Stopmotionist 2 years ago 2
Obviously I love puns.
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Me? i'm too young to get laid! if i did it now, i'd be no better then that 13-year old who supposedly got some girl pregnant!
poopskinTheLiar 2 years ago
@Stopmotionist:
Just ask your girlfriend dude.
RitschardLoewenherz 2 years ago
c-64 version is the best!
Nicklacruz 3 years ago
Turrican 2 is the best platformer of all time. I like it even more than Super Metroid.
I'm also a huge Trenz fanboy, but still...
Stopmotionist 3 years ago
also, how do you get the Vergiss es! message to show up? try to save a highscore on a full disk?
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
I don't know, it happens at random. They found that bug, but couldn't find, what causes it. So instead "vergiss is" was implemented. :D
So just play and try. With the meulator VICE I got it quite often. More than I remember from my C64. (There it came,too, but sometimes, it also crashed totally, and one time, it generated a funny level 1-1 afterwards, with all wrong tile information)
A successful save was indeed the exception.
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
No thats not right .. the 'VERGISS ES' will be shown if you have write protected your disk.
r8qt7 2 years ago
Well, how do you do this on 5,25" disks?
However, write protecting the *.d64 file actually does reconstruct "VERGISS ES" !
But maybe, it is just one way to trigger it, obviously the software detects a problem with saving the highscore on a write protected disc...I still remember the game, displaying this randomly, even without restarting the game...
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
you can use some sticker on the disk (Tesafilm ...) - bought Games have no writable 'hole' so it doesn't matter.
Of course you can set up a write protection an an emulator.
r8qt7 2 years ago
Then it's not the only possible reason for "VERGISS ES".
We didn't put Tesa or stickers on our original Turrican2 disc! :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
But the original Turican2 disk is write protected by default (has no writable 'hole'). Check the 5,25 disk manual for mor information.
r8qt7 2 years ago
But we DID save some highscores on it! :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
If there is no writeable notch the disk isn't writeable by the disk drive. That might be different with an emulator but only if it isn't honoring this agreement
r8qt7 2 years ago
And again: We did save highscores, and sometimes got "VERGISS ES".... on our original Disc on an original C64!
That means, write protection is not the only thing, that triggers a "VERGISS ES".
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
if you have the unmodified (with write protection) original turrican2 disk you can't save the highscore. If the VERGISS ES occures in other circumstances one had to check the source code ... shouldn't be a problem because you see which routines jump to that text routine ...
r8qt7 2 years ago
I don't know, if someone modified the disc, but as some highscores were saved on it, it is probable...
However, there are at least two disc versions with different contents (Some minor differences in level design), so maybe one of them never was write protected. :D
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
I'm talking about the original (ergo: bought) versions. There are a lot of cracked copies floating around.
There is a disk version and a datasette version. The Datasette version is slightly different to the disk version. In the past you could only find cracked versions (on disk) of the datasette version because it is easier cracked. As far as I know there were no working crack for the Turrican 2 disk version (that might have changed).
We looked into the protectionbut it was a very decent one.
r8qt7 2 years ago
The version on our original disc is the very same version, which is available as datasette rom.
The disc versions I found in the web however were all the different one.
That's why I think it's likely, both versions were sold on discs.
Now you say, many disc versions in the net were copied from datasette. So propably, both versions were sold on datasette as well.
I will check my datasette version now, if it tells "turn-the-DISC" before level 3-1 as well. My discrom does (using the nice re bar)!
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
Oh, that was easy, the datasette version doesn't even have the blue loading bar...
But beside that, it's just like our old original disc version, having a maximum of three bars for laser, only one way up in the water level, etc.
The disc versions in the web have got the blue loading bars, and no datasette stuff like rewind for continue, but in gamedesing, they have the other content: Five bars for maximum laser, etc.
Turricanbronko 2 years ago
i typically don't consider the giant walkers in the factory stage bosses, but...
"MAEK MAH DEY!"
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
"Make my day" is indeed a good reason for the Amiga version...
But than again, the C64 has that soccer gimmick.
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
Is amiga's turricane II "uncomplete" in comparsion with C64 T2?
siphid 3 years ago
No, it just lacks in some nice details.
If you know them, you miss them. ;)
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
Equally you could say the C64 version lacked some of the amiga's nice details, such as the copper coloured backdrops, the excellent music throughout, the smooth animation of the main character, the 50 frames a second scrolling, the faster loading, more colourful graphics, better sfx. They were both great versions in their own ways...
retronostalgic 3 years ago
Yes, the sad thing is, it wouldn't have been a problem, to include all the nice things of the C64 version on the Amiga.
The other way around however is quite impossible.
Naturally a C64 version of any game SHOULD be worse then it's Amiga counter part, due to technical limitations.
However the things I show in the video make the C64 BETTER to me!
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
Actually i totally agree with you as you can't beat the sheer artistry of the original programmed by Manfred Trenz. I wonder what he's up to nowadays. Wasn't there supposed to be a 3D turrican for pc or something?
retronostalgic 3 years ago
Yeah, it got cancelled because the producers interfered with Trenz's artistic vision and he left the project.
Stopmotionist 3 years ago
I like both versions equal... :)
There both awesome games in their own ways!
Adolf41er 3 years ago
You guys are so wrong!
This game was sooooo much better on the a500!
The music was awesome... better than this 8bit
crap.
dahemper 3 years ago
Did you even watch?
First sentence: "Yeah, maybe no music, maybe a bit ugly-looking"...
Oh, and than followed by arguments for the C64, you didn't refer to.
But hey, I thought a comment like that would come much more early. :D
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
The C64 version was programmed by the genius Manfred Trenz. Amiga version was done by factor 5 who missed some of the original's features...
retronostalgic 3 years ago
someone is obsessed with turrican 2! I admit though it was a cool game. I completed the c64 version.
Even the loading made it cool!
Simon0 3 years ago
this secret in the first level at the waterfall was also in the amiga-version.
z0mtek 3 years ago
Yes, but all those extra-lives are missing, and on the Amiga you can just jump into the secret, on the C64 you have to use the gyroscope...
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
i can almost hear the repeating and nervous clicking from the joystick back then..:)gamepads are for whimps..:)))
bossinator666 3 years ago
heh.. for a moment, it lookd as though the protagonist was pissin'...
TJae1 3 years ago
Anyone played "Universal Soldier" on the Megadrive? Basically Turrican 2 with all the cool bits taken out! (even more so than the Amiga)
komodosp 3 years ago
Turrican 2 is meant to be played on the C64, Universal Soldier just is NOT meant to be played...
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
I'd say that what we need is a fan remake, with the C64's additional gameplay goodies and the amiga version's graphics and music (of course, you'd be able to switch between the c64 music and the amiga music on stages 3.x and 5.2.)
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
One the one hand it would be a cool thing, but on the other somewhat too much effort, which would be better made on some other complete new Turrican project. ;)
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
i suppose if i could figure out how to use T2002's level editor, i could make a "T2 Deluxe" level pack...
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
Well, the T2002 level Editor is quite simple to handle. The integrated help includes a nice tutorial. And if you have any questions, such as "How can I change sprites?", you allways can ask me. :)
However, the T2002 editor does not support spaceship or jetpack levels... (Morgul Returns uses the buggy T2002F beta, which is sadly not released. It's a long and sad story, how it finally got used semi legal in Morgul Returns...)
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
Also, i'm trying to run T2 in VICE (as i don't have a real C64, and copies of C64 T2 seem to be uncommon on eBay), and i can't get bren to move. i can make him do the surround attack, and that's it. i have controls configured to Rctrl+arrow keys...
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
Forgot to mention, i have a Gravis joypad for the C64, but no driver disk. Can i use it with VICE?
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
You can use any Gamepd with VICE, as long as you can feed intWindows. Just look in your system control panel, open there Gamecontrollers, and calibrate your pad. However, it that gravis pad is for the C64, it won't work with a PC com-port.
TurricanII C64 uses the joystick in Port 2. However, there is a cracked trainer version of T2, using the real arrow keys for configurating the trainer! So better just don't define the arrow-keys to a joystick, use WASD, or something like that. ;)
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
yes the c-64 version rocks the first game i play until the end!!
Nicklacruz 3 years ago 2
Would you say that the NES version is hard?
supermariogalaxian 3 years ago
Oh yes, because you always respawn at the level's beginning!
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
The biggest thing about the NES version is that the music made heart catch on fire. When I played it on a Mac, it was good. When I played it on Windows, and was listenable free.
supermariogalaxian 3 years ago
Although if you play it on the C64 you miss out on that beautiful soundtrack
...
And i already suck enough at T2.
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
Very cool! And everything is true =)
rgkooper 3 years ago
I did play every version available of Turrican 2 for my homepage... ;)
But as the C64 was my first computer as well (Ok, had a Nintendo Gamboy first, but it doesn't count as computer), my heart goes with the C64 version.
But as I discovered, there are lots of logical reasons as well, to play this one, rather than the Amiga one. :D
Turricanbronko 3 years ago
Purple Weapon? Bounce actually seems quite weak to me on the C64, if you don't use auto-fire. And if you do, you better don't use sound! :D
Turricanbronko 3 years ago