Adam Ashley Cooper disallowed try against the Waratahs

[rugbyali]

wot the hell is he thinking?

[Fiction409]

i don't see why people are bitching about this :P yeah Steve Walsh isn't a very good referee a lot of the time, but that was a fair call there, as it was CLEAR double movement

[cassiussirelli9090]

sorry but crawling has become a growing problem in the game. decision was harsh, but necessary. Adam AC has gotten away with worse in the past. Schalk Burger is also another compulsive crawler. Once you're held on the grown, you can't propel yourself forwards - exactly what AC did here.

[NZTGI]

Yep like i said before "NO TRY" and good on you Steve Walsh these aussie whingers don`t know "SHIT" about rugby.

[NZTGI]

Fucking whingeing aussie`s, its obvious the player was tackled and was supposed to release the ball but continued by turning then got up on his knees then jumped over the opposing player without releasing the ball, No try ya fuckin whingers.

[MGoose66]

@NZTGI Learn or at least read the Laws, then make comment. Walsh himself has since admitted the error.

[senzers69]

this would not have happened in the heineken cup.

[number6Mclovin]

its the touch judge who called it not walsh. its a joke he didn go to the video ref..

[mickser101]

That was a clear try, unfortunately Walsh is the worst ref in the Southern Hemisphere and everyone knows it

[tamaolemaa]

I really wanted Walsh to be correct here. But this is a right cock-up. I don't see why you can't go to the video ref for a double-movement? It is in the act of scoring the try, why not?

I think Lyndon Bray knows Walsh cocked up here.

[MGoose66]

@tamaolemaa You CAN go to the Video ref - you're right - so he is wrong on this count too.

[deankett7]

If it was given a try I would have no problem with it, most refs would give it. He was tackled 4 metres out and he must immediately release the ball. If it were forwards barging for the line from close range and the ball carrier was grounded but then driven over it would be a straight forward penalty. This is a similar situation but the fact that he is lying on the Tahs player makes it a little less clear cut but he is still tackled.

[MGoose66]

@deankett7 The law says: Once tackled, you must immediately PLAY the ball. 'Immediately' does not mean 'instantly' and 'play' does not mean 'release'. Fair try.

[187prettyboy]

NO TRY, you cannot crawl in rugby while somebody is trying to hold you, you either stand up, or its a ruck.

[MGoose66]

@187prettyboy No, the law says that once you are tackled, you must immediately PLAY the ball. So in this case momentum, crawling or otherwise, that's what he did. Besides, Walsh himself has admitted the error.

[187prettyboy]

@MGoose66 Got a link for this quote and admission of error

[MGoose66]

@187prettyboy Unfortunately it was in the Canberra Times and their on-line content is restricted. I believe he didn't specifically say this decision was wrong, but rather something like he had "had much better nights with the whistle" and "this would ordinarily have been awarded a try" when questioned about it. The same article details a history of bad blood between Walsh and the Brumbies going back years, including a particular post match incident in Durban resulting in his official sanction.

[MGoose66]

@187prettyboy Actually here's an edit / summarised version, or at least a pre-detailed on line version of the same story. This includes a similar admission about a different crucial penalty.

[187prettyboy]

@MGoose66 That doesn't really say "admitted it was a try", the aussie commentators went quiet on the 3rd replay because they saw the knee movement.

[cjrodwell]

Walsh was swapped for his next brumbies game with chris pollock only cuz of giteau's comments.. but giteau will get a nice fine & hopefully a match suspension for opening his big mouth.

@smartcooky99 - the mark is always at 5m for in goal infringements.

anyways, lyndon bray has said publicly that the post-match video assessment of the match concluded that double movement was the correct call.

[thomnz]

Gee, how far do you want to crawl AAC? Real time, I thought was a try, 2nd look, right ref call. you can't crawl/lunge like that and call it momentum.

Also, @ Neighorn, why don't you try and find 'boring in', 'Shepherding' etc...nope, not in there either but are they wrong? Ruling correct, the term used prob not so...

[BallymenaBazza]

another cock up by Steve Walsh - he is the biggest plonker in world rugby!

[vinniechan]

@BallymenaBazza

Wasn't he banned from refereeing?

[rosscomatic]

He was clearly driven over the line by the pack. No double movement. Try time.

[187prettyboy]

@rosscomatic He was pushing with his knees

[187prettyboy]

@rosscomatic Salesi had one index finger on him, thats hardly a pack. Anyway, he drove with his knee while being held, thats double movement .

[hakkinenrules]

If he had just let momentum carry him he would have scored a legitimate try.

Because he did the final push off his knees it constituted a double movement.

Not as bad as some others that have been incorrectly given as tries though.

[Nieghorn]

Love the 'Double Movement' signal! Let me just flip through my law book for that one ... :)

[hplatais]

No try! Not releasing the ball immediately, consists the double movement. Wasn´t a wrong decision.

Perfect.

[SergeInho]

THAT'S A TRY!!! no doubt about it!

[deankett7]

No try. You can't keep crawling on your knees towards the tryline when held in a tackle, propelling yourself is not momentum. All scrums, penalties, lineouts, marks etc are brought out to the 5m, always have. Giteau is a sulky little sook and will struggle to make the Wallabies.

[smartcooky99]

Fair try. He had momentum, and is allowed to reach out. To top off Walsh's cock-up, he has given the penalty kick in the wrong place. It should have been at the place of infringement, not 5m out from the goal line.

[cjrodwell]

good video.. proves that steve walsh deserves to be at the top level and Giteau is an idiot... player was certainly held in the tackle and you can see his knees pumping on the ground & propelling him in the camera angle from behind.