Wynton Marsalis - Hindemith Trumpet Sonata

[thaifighter7693]

so i saw him play this live. it was disgustingly loud. I know this is an aggresive piece but he played it too loud, plus his monett makes him even louder. Wynton is a great trumpeter, but certainly not my favorite. I have to say though on this recording it sounds beautiful. Live though....No....sorry wynton

[TrillliumBrass]

Hindemith would have been honored.

Elliott Oppenheim, TrillliumBrass

[TheAngeltoDemon]

I wish he didn't use the monette here though. I like the monette for the jazz playing, just my opinion.

[rdn91]

@TheAngeltoDemon i agree

[HaightNLife]

@unttrmptplyr I listened to it at the University of Miami's Music Library many years ago. It took some searching, but it can be found on amazon by searching for "Hindemith Sonatas for Brass and Piano by Glenn Gould" on Bing or Google. It's the first result.

[MoteyJoe]

What a wild style of playing! Loads of respect to him!

[theschwarz11]

Wynton's tone is phenomenal, and to say that it sounds too jazzy is just false. He has a big enormous sound which you want in classical music; not like a lead trumpet in a big band, but a full sound. When he grows to ff and uses a ton of wide vibrato, he is playing musically and stylistically correct. Hindemith's music is big, bold and dark, so playing with the tone he does is totally appropriate.

[theschwarz11]

Wynton's tone is phenomenal, and to say that it sounds too jazzy is just false. He has a big enormous sound which you want in classical music; not like a lead trumpet in a big band, but a full sound. When he grows to ff and uses a ton of wide vibrato, he is playing musically and stylistically correct. Hindemith's music is big, bold and dark, so playing with the tone he does is totally appropriate.

[HaightNLife]

I love Wynton with all my heart, and his performance on this piece is absolutely amazing. It's relatively hard to find, but try to find this piece performed by Gil Johnson from the 50s. He was the principal trumpet of the Philly Philharmonic for 30 years, and later taught at UM until his death where I studied under him (as did Mr. Marsalis from time to time). Mr. Johnson's recording of this piece brought me to tears repeatedly and is definitely worth a listen.

[unttrmptplyr]

@HaightNLife Where did you find Gil Johnson performing this?

[Paul3326]

Very well done - takes chops to play this bad boy right.

[JMillerBayRidge]

"Breit" ist "broad". I like Wynton, his tryptique amongst other things are good.. I like his Hindemith tempo. I used his tempo...but I don't like the vibrato. The markings of Hindemith tell you that...and nothing in Hindemith;s repertoire would even lead you to play anything with vibrato..even the oboe solo in Mathis Der Maler

[Peter909Reilich]

I couldn't give a crap about Marsalis. I came here for the Hindemith. Excellent performance by both instrumentalists, though.

[CatholicRoyalist]

What a wondrous musical genius Mr. Marsalis is! It's rather a shame about the actual music, though...

[sam0xin]

GREAT MUSICIAN ... MR. Marsalis ! I can not stop listen his baroque album with Kathleen Battle...IT IS SO PERFECT !

[Maltrumpet]

I never said I like everything about the way Mr. Marsalis plays. I don't like everything about the way anyone plays. I really don't understand the way people feel the need to criticize others in such a emotional way. Anger, jealousy, bitter regret can all devour your love of music. I mean, we do all Love music right?

[rk2qt]

Can you post the other movements?

[nonnopirro52]

The Best

[michaelbme]

This is real music.

[HillaryAndMattPiano]

wow...I guess I don't know this solo as well as I thought I did. shit. haha

[proggoth]

Addressing the comments criticizing his wide vibrato I was wondering is it particular to Hindemith's use of quartal harmonization that a thinner vibrato is preferable?

[5191263]

The only serious problem with this video is the lack of a special musical magic. I always wonder why people complain about individual and specific stylistic faults as passionately as they do... would a nicer vibrato change the indescribable essence of the performance?

Not one of these comments has anything to do with the piano, which has the far more interesting part, and which is the better performance in this case.

[cherae16]

All that talk about too much vibrato in this piece is a farse...what a stereotype placed on this german composition ...this was taken from an ITG conference review...The highlight of the recital was his performance of the Hindemith Sonata for Trumpet and Piano. In his introduction to the piece, Manny Laureano's deliberate use of vibrato gave the piece a distinctive German style. The end result was a powerful conclusion to the recital.

[cherae16]

On the 20th Century w/ judith Stillman on Piano

[SsoccerANDvball]

Which of his CD's would I be able to find this recording on?

[15MusicLove]

@SsoccerANDvball Um, i believe its called something like "On the Twentieth Century...Hindemith; Poulenc; Berstein; Ravel", at least thats where i got mine.

[Maltrumpet]

OH, and by the way. Who are all you fing hacks on here criticizing the way WYNTON FING MARSALIS plays!? Sorry your life didn't work out the way you planned. J F-ing C! Your all like movie critics. It's Beautiful. (Mr. Marsalis' sound being the antecedent to the general pronoun it used in the contraction it's) What do you got? If your education made you an overly critical A hole you got cheated. "Education is a crap filter". Take in all the info you can find and decide what matters to you. 123456

[LadyMiles08]

@Maltrumpet Almost EVERY trumpet player criticizes Wynton's playing on some level...it is a sign of intelligence to be able to analyze not arrogance. To say you like everything about Wynton's playing makes you look like a groupie,lol

[Maltrumpet]

RE: The music. Love it. Played it

RE: The Player. Love him. I don't think I've ever heard Mr. Marsalis play anything I didn't enjoy

RE: Legit. I use this term sometimes and when I do I roll my eyes and put up the quotation mark fingers.

RE: Musical interpretation. everyone just take the branch out of your sphincters. there's a saying "Never play Holst at contest" Because there are so many diametrically opposed opinions on it.

RE: racism and anger. they're both real. forgive someone. it heals

[LadyMiles08]

Oh did I mention I was a Dean's List student at THE University of Virginia in history of this great country called America & attended Spelman College where I studied jazz history on the same campus that produced Alice Walker...This is the Obama Era bigots didn't give us our 40 Acres & a mule so we took 50 States & the White House,lol.

[LadyMiles08]

I will conceed that Wynton's use of vibrato is a matter of taste...I tend 2 be a strict constructivist...as for my knowledge of trumpet, studied under 2 world renowned trumpeters one who subbed for Terence Blanchard & can pummel Wynton in a jazz trumpet battle..Actually played the Hindemith Symphony at the Kennedy Center at 16...but what do niggers beside Wynton know about classical music right ?

[LadyMiles08]

I do enjoy when Caucasians need 2 resort to profanity...oh if Freddie Hubbard or Miles Davis was a live,lol..I guess "fuck" those who use racism every chance they get also include Wynton right ? I guess that includes EVERY black musician who refuses 2 be silent about continued bigotry...I would tell you to do your own etymology of the word "legit" but seeing how your vocabulary is limited I doubt u have the intellect 2 do so.

[8hhhhaaaahhhh8]

happy birthday martin luther king...sorry some assholes didnt get your message

[nauJRodriguez]

This is a nice sound from Wynton. He is in good shape. Who is the piano player?

[jazznhorns]

I played this in a solo and ensemble contest in high school. Brings back memories. I was instructed to play it without vibrato (German interpretation?)...but I love Winton's vibrato on it, and he does a superb job. Gorgeous. I wish I had used vibrato too. What a killer piano part!

[trumpetdemon]

I'm in totally agreeance with girlietpt. IF you were to listen to this piece with no vibrato at all, it would be boring, flat, and static. His vibrato proves that he has total control over his horn and tone. He played this piece precisely as intended. Listen to the recording of the trumpet instructor from the Royal Conservatory in London who plays this, no vibrato, there is no life in the piece. I'm glad that LadyMiles pulled the "legit" is a racist term out of her ass and proved her ignorance.

[gsxrbikerlad]

Previous comments it appears certain peopleare not commenting on the video but simply having a little slagging match.

RE: the video - TOO MUCH REVERB!

Ensemble=impressive. Balance not consistent. Piano could be slightly louder. Fig. 13 in the Schott edition (25 bars from the end) I felt a slight lack of excitement due to certain rhythms not being as sharp & crisp as written. Occasional notes on trumpet a little too much vibrato. I hope my comments are constructive

[LadyMiles08]

Demon you are the typical Wynton fan, highly bigoted and ignorant of racial politics. "Wynton is not like those other niggers because he can play our music." Wynton sincerely needs to stop pandering and enabling people like you, because it is a disservice to people of color all over the world.

[trumpetdemon]

Yeah, that's totally correct right? Because I said all of that. You just had to pull the race card didn't you. Even if this WASN'T Wynton playing I would think that the music was beautifully interpreted. Seems like you have some problems you need to go get checked out. I just play the trumpet. =)

[applejacks888]

you guys are both idiots....can't you get over that bringing color into music is absurd. all music is the human spirit singing out...souls don't have skin color.....either you dig the music or you don't

[LadyMiles08]

First of all music is a cultural express...race is a social construct. Clearly applejack you are white, because only white people say race doesn't matter. Wynton just gave a talk on CNN about the role racism has played in the marketing and understanding of blues. The term "legit" is a racist term and any black musician you ask will explain it the same way. Terms like that diminish the cultural and monetary value placed on jazz music.

[applejacks888]

wow im impressed you knew i was white! i had to do a double take...but seriously bout your comment, thats what i love about jazz. 'its a cultural express'....i play jazz and im white and you obviously like/play jazz and your black...its a connecting force. we can now share some of the same culture...thank god for the music and fuck the racism

[XxnkklllllxX]

@LadyMiles08

can you explain to me how legit is a racist term? its just fuckin slang. and race only matters to people who make it matter. fuck. People who cry racism at every chance they can are just as bad as people who try and pretend racism doesn't exist.

[LadyMiles08]

Instructors also said that black people were apes. I don't give a crap what a white instructor has to say. And yes if you talk to anyone who grew up with jazz music, calling jazz illegitimate was the same as calling black people coons. DON'T USE ARCHAIC BIGOTED TERMS TO DEFINE MY PEOPLE'S MUSIC. But seeing how you are a demon, I am simply casting pearls before a swine.

[jakeyates2]

Jazz as a whole is AMERICAN music. So unless"my peoples music" refers to all americans, i think your mistaken.

[LadyMiles08]

Let me exorcise you mister demon...first of all you sound ignorant for calling it a "legit piece". Are you saying that jazz is illegitimate ? Shostakovich is also written in the 20th Century are you saying that's not Classical ? There are various eras in the genre from Baroque to Contemporary. Your use of profanity also shows a limited intellect. And to be clear no one is casting stones at Wynton, this is merely a discussion on the piece and isn't a personal attack against him..

[trumpetdemon]

What's really funny is, I'm not a "mister". And you are casting stones against Wynton. You're saying his using Vibrato makes the piece not worth listening to. As for insulting my intellegence, I'm not the one text spelling in my comments. Know your music history, Hindemith wasn't your ordinary German composer. And Baroque-Comtemporary aren't "genres". They're periods. XD A genre would classify as a concerto, chanson, minuet and trio, concerto grosso, mass, fugue, etc. You know nothing don't you?

[trumpetdemon]

BTW, Shostakovich wasn't written. =) Shostakovich was a composer. And no...it's not Classical, it's 20th century. And "legit" is a completely appropriate term, ask any applied instructor. And yes...jazz is illegitimate. And no...that's not a slur against jazz either. "Legit" as defined in the music world as repertoire that is not contemporary, and composed for orchestra, solo instrument, or chamber ensemble. No, your High School jazz band isn't chamber music. ;)

[LadyMiles08]

If all classical is up for interpretation then by all means I would love 2 see a polka version. The truth is there are predetermined critera 4 songs that students have 2 adhere 2. I am just saying if anyone but Wynton played it like this they may loose in a competition 2 someone who played with less vibrato in the spirit of German composers.

[SilentSnare]

Hey, Sergei Nakariakov plays Cello Concertos on a flugelhorn. It's all about what an audience wants to see/hear, or how originality will get you a job. The abstract "rules" of music only get in the way of music's true personality.

Oh, and if someone who wasn't Wynton were to play the Hindemith Trumpet Sonata like this, they would win their audition, and could become an international soloist.

[trumpetdemon]

That is a farce. Because, if you knew your music history, you would know that the Hindemith IS NOT a classical piece. It is a 20th century piece. Which means that anything is up for interpretation. If you've ever played the piece you'd know. But suppose not. And if you're going to call it anything, call it a legit piece. If you don't know which era it was written in don't assume. But even if you didn't the harmonies would give away the fact that it was a 20th century piece.

[trumpetdemon]

That and Wynton makes a shit ton of money for doing what he does for a reason. If your talent is anything comprable to his, then cast your stones.

[steven4570]

well that depends on the aural concept of who ever was judging it

[MrGoldentrumpet92]

worse...

[jarrad7777]

I do not think that this is a recording of Wynton Marsailis. Can anyone confirm this?

[TehChahlesh]

No, this is him. It's the same recording as on his twentieth century album.

[guitarslim56]

Logically, I cannot confirm the thoughts of another person. All I can do is relate what the person said.

[girlietpt]

It's him. Wynton has a very distinct sound.

[VivaLaTrumpet]

I want his sound. I try to imitate it on my trumpet. It's so pretty.

[Mu5IcFr3ak01]

My brother goes to berklee school of music in Boston and he is playing this for a kind of recital thing.

[MeganKandSarahT]

i am so excited because i get to play this on saturday. this has helped me so much this year and i am ready to show some boys that i am better than they think i am.

[squandermania]

You go, girl!

[classictoheavymetal]

Wynton Marsalis isn't a girl

[VivaLaTrumpet]

How can you be so sure?

[JStrange13]

How did the performance go? Don't leave us in suspense!!!

[LadyMiles08]

I find it fascinating that those who are in the Wynton cult do not have the ability to contribute to any discussion intelligently. If Wynton wasn't playing this piece and it sounded exactly the same I highly doubt people would call it inspiring. It is the like the McDonald's test done on children. Everything tasted better with the brand on it even if it was the same food. LOL

[boggis26]

apart from wynton has debatably the most amazing tone in the world - only balsom wins over him.

mcdonalds doesn't do the best food in the world. they have sperm in their burgers. have a listen to wynton doing the grand russian fantasia - there are not many people who can pull it off as well as he does - or his haydn's concerto in eb cadenza - again - this is why we love dear, dear wynton

[XxnkklllllxX]

@boggis26

I know this is from a long time ago, but I think that Maurice Andre or Hakan Hardenberger have a slightly better tone than Balsom. For Andre, I mean his later years. They did instruct her afterall :)

[firemanboy]

isn't it lovely to listen to a piece of music without criticizing how it's being played, and just enjoy it? I think the talk of vibrato is very interesting. but when it comes down to it, this is a really nice piece of music and Wynton Marsalis does an inspiring job of it :)

[muzacallysound]

Right If it sound the same as another persons performance what is the point of listening, you know every artist has his or her own style

[DJChrisBradley]

This is an excellent interpretation. He uses a little more vibrato than some, but it's applied discriminately. If he were using it excessively to mask errors in pitch or tone quality, than the 8th and 1/4 notes would also have the vibrato. Instead, he plays them full value with consistent attack and unwavering tone, as they should be played, saving the vibrato for notes no shorter than 1/2 notes. I don't hear any jazz permeating Hindemith; I hear a versatile soloist playing soloistically.

[LadyMiles08]

Again clear pitch is very important to take advantage of the harmonies that Hindemith uses. Perhaps the person who said that I can't criticize Wynton should put down the purple kool-aid he is drinking and pick up a book about composition, theory and German composers. Every great trumpet player should listen with a critical ear so as not to make the same mistakes or regurgitate what others have done.

[muzacallysound]

I agree with that statement composers write pieces a certain way for a certain reason. True, vibrato may be against what the composer thought and that deserves to be respected. Although, everyone plays differently, and every one misses notes or messes up.

[LadyMiles08]

My trumpet teacher studied at Eastman and with one of the greatest trumpet teachers in the world. We discussed this piece at length because I plan to play ti. No the vibrato is not up to the interpretation of the artist, this is classical not jazz where a person can randomly interpret the works of a great composer. Yes perhaps tempo or dynamics can be but Hindemith was a German composer who used non-triadic harmony and was not a fan of vibrato. Wynton is not God just better promoted.

[SilentSnare]

Why would you say something so contrary to music? You are the exact reason why classical music is making no progression in the world. Because of that snoody attitude you just flaunted. ALL music is left up to interpretation by the player; that's what's so great about music. It's a free form of expression. Who do you think is going to get mad at you for playing a piece of music the way you want to? So in response to you: I CAN "randomly interpret" the works of any great composer.

[nauJRodriguez]

This piece is not hard to play, but I must say that Wynton plays it very well!!

[alezander666]

hindemith always does wild stuff with piano,i have allot of his piano works,and NOBODY comes close to the psychological beauty of the instrument like him,bartok,messiaen,do indeed send me rapture,but his "KLEIN KLAVIERMUSIK,LIECHTE FUNFTONSSTUCKE OP. 45 1929 ,IS MYSTICAL.i will always hear incessant mozart and baroque on classical channels,most people do not even know paul's music,so sad. to be MODERN,get "ludus tonalus",a recording by kabbi lauretei,the wife of ingmar bergman is cosmic

[bluebarman1]

bravo marsalis eccellente strepitoso

[Rinhos]

one of the best interpretations of this sonata! Much better even than Gould's recording with Gilbert Johnson

[JerseyBoys918]

This the only movement of Sonata by Wynton? you don't have the 2nd or 3rd mvt

[thetrumpetrocks]

Im playing this tomorrow for a solo contest...my pianist cant play this at all lol

[joshogax]

Don't you love how the piano parts are harder than the solo? xD

[KrummyBear]

That's true of aloooot of brass solos... That's why I can never find a damn accompanist... grr grr grr.

[girlietpt]

lol. I've noticed that

[polaris2632]

funny how the piano part is extremley more difficult then the trumpet part hindemith piano accompaniments are usually impossible

[blackwoodla]

it's because they aren't just accompaniment - it's a sonata for piano and trumpet, taking much skill from both players to pull it off. very fun piece to play.

[musiplusi]

great piece. great interpretation. great vibrato.

(why hang on that? it's just an - individial - possibility of ornament - isn't it? very individual: here I like it very much.)

[TBoneman098]

I actually think the vibrato is very appropriate.

He knows what he's doing, don't worry.

Otherwise he wouldn't be so popular, you know.

[deevo117]

Wow the piano accompaniment is so strange.

Sounds like a completely different song.

Props to the pianist though, Hindemith piano accompaniments deserved to be labeled "impossible."

[jaymusic09]

i think it sounds great. im a high school senoir attempting to play this movement. its good to hear it played well lol.

[LadyMiles08]

Question it my friends. Wynton is not God. He does in fact put way too much vibrato which makes me question his ability to control his embouchure through this. It seems he needs the Eastman's trumpet teacher's buzz exercises. Musical control is sometimes compromised when you are just blowing your horn playing jazz. Trumpet playing is different from horn blowing. Horn blowers dominate jazz not trumpet players.

[cousinunion1995]

He has mor eof a jazz trumpet tone IMO. That vibrato is out of control and is not meant for classical. However, he did do

an amazing job with this.

[saxbari]

That is preposterous. His vibrato is Excellent. what I like most about it is how he indicates the time with his vibrato. That takes extreme amounts of control of the air stream.

[theelitemusician]

Wow...his vibrato is awesome. What are you hearing?

[girlietpt]

wow. are you a trumpet player? or even a musician at all? Do you know anything about this work? Yes, the use of vibrato in this piece is always a topic of discussion, but to say it is out of control? Really? And he does not jazz this piece up at all.

[ToyMachine22122]

Couldn't disagree more.

The appropriate level of vibrato is up to the player to interpret. His tone is impeccable, which indicates control.

Also, it's not advisable to make such types of attacks on accepted leaders in the business. Saying Wynton Marsalis has little control on the trumpet is like saying Einstein had little comprehension of physics.

[LadyMiles08]

@ToyMachine22122 I just feel that with Wynton being such a Neo-Conservative about jazz he should be consistent in how he interprets classical as well....I am not saying he doesn't have control at all...but it sounds a little too much like the Dixieland jazz that he plays which I dislike as well...Plus every trumpet player has strengths and weaknesses...Also Wynton had no problem attacking Miles when he was growing up so what is advisable is a matter of opinion..

[randomness44444]

dang that's a lotta vibrato

[Dallasfansareretards]

thats what i was thinking...hindemith isnt supposed to have that much vibrato, but then who am i to challenge wynton marsalis's interpertation

[NoirMusic]

You are a discerning listener. He's got chops, and I do like some of his stuff, but it does get tiring hearing that he is the only great trumpet player, or "the best" over and over.

[jakeyates2]

I don't think it's the amount of vibrato, but the style. to me, it sounds like a jazz player attempting a "big orchestral" vibrato. Don't get me wrong, I love jazz and i love wyntons stuff, but thats what it sounds like to me.

[girlietpt]

Wynton has a fantastic orchestral sound. In fact, he is my favorite because of his orchestral and solo works. not his jazz.

[jakeyates2]

He does have a fantastic orchestral sound. I just think his vibrato is a little wide. Oh, and by the way, if he's not your favorite because of jazz as well, you should really listen to it, its just as "fantastic" as his orchestral playing.

[ulicastrowsky]

pianist who is recording this?

[graizer281]

Love Hindemith, Marsalis sets the tone perfectly.