This video is another funny BJJ marketing idea. Why did the world class BJJ fighter not fight against a world class Judoka??? All the BJJ top athletes can do is fight against third class Judoka. Judo is real, Judo throws work on the streets perfectly. BJJ is just very funny sport for very funny and for very weak people.
@ddk311 You are funny. The chokes of BJJ stem from Judo. Ne-waza of Judo is very powerful, there is no weak "flow". But even in Judo there is a soft style which resembles BJJ- it is called Kosen Judo. BJJ is great for doing sports. If you want to improve your self-defense skills you need Judo. Or you have to train BJJ and add Judo or wrestling (didn´t some Gracies also train Judo??). Helio Gracie was lucky to learn Kodokan Judo. For his self-defense videos he used the throws of Judo very often.
@01Proust First Brazilian JiuJitsu and Judo both stem from the same source which is jiujitsu started in japan as a way to fight armored enemy's. So of course there will be similarities. The gracies and franca were thought by a kodokan Judoka and used his teachings to focus more on mastering the ground. Reason why alot of bjj black belts obtain judo black belts is because the 2 together make for a deadly combination and complements the other.
@ddk311 Everybody knows BJJ stem from JUDO. JUDO came out before BJJ. Any source of the HISTORY of JUDO or BJJ including WIKIPEDIA states that BJJ is a OFFSHOOTS of JUDO . The founder of BJJ,Hélio Gracie first studied UNDER JUDO MASTERS. BJJ branched off JUDO. There would have never been BJJ if it wasnt for JUDO so dont try to make it sound like thier equals . Because One ORIGINATED from the OTHER. JUDO is SUPERIOR
@Chrom3Solid So you basically just repeated everything I just said and added that you thought judo is superior. Neither is technically better than the other because both focus on the others weakness. But that was never my point it was the other guys comment about jiujitsu guys being weak sooo yea
@Chrom3Solid Yurp never said otherwise...hope you know they both came from the same art called jiujitsu and that bjj of the past is completely different from today. Can judo say the same?
@01Proust Im dabbling with both of them right now but my main focus is jiujitsu..My problem with you isnt about if jiujitsu or judo are better but with your comment "BJJ is just very funny sport for very funny and for very weak people." that was rude of you to say seeing as you have no basis for that statement. Jiujitsu is more than a sport but a lifestyle get your stuff right. So I say once again go say that at a Brazialian Jiujitsu school and see watsup
the name of the move at 1:19 please how rigan breaks the defense, has that move a name.. i´m from austria and their no bjj clubs, only judo and go to them beacause i love bjj and use a lot of the submissions, passes, sweeps from guard but judokas do only play defense or go for sidecontroll ( katagatama ??) fuck that comoetionjudo here sucks sooo much, only controll the guy is soo boring, judo nowdays lame as fuck!!
jejejejejejeje he just did JUDO....I see nothing else than JUDO...inclusive he had a very good standing position something that no much BJJ practioner have...undestand something NE WAZA BELONG TO JUDO AND BJJ COMING FROM JUDO...and I LOVE BOTH, ARE THE SAME WITH DIFERENT RULE...JUST THAT...
@Welc01 Essentially yes. The rules of each different martial art's competitions have really transformed the focus of each art, but there is plenty of overlap between the two. I take both, because I see the value in each.
First of all were is the brazilian gay jitsu? all O see is Judo moves...Second, those Blck belts suck...They go grab each other Gis, then they take their time to apply a throw..Those types of black belts are moving like begineers...So fuck all you you trying to say that brazilian gay jitsu is superior...Machado was superior to those individuals...
@franciscoreatas11 brazilian jiu jitsu and judo aren't much different. you're pretty much calling judo gay too. the main differences are that bjj focuses on the ground and is much tighter, where as judo is more about takedowns. don't disrespect ANY martial art. i don't care who you are. they're both good martial arts and both deserve RESPECT! one isn't better than the other, but everyone on this post who isn't talking shit, is better than you.
@ihavetheherpes to my defense, posting a video of Machado (they kick ass) beating some Judokas and trying to insinuate that somehow the techniques he used were from BJJ is just dishonest and dishonorable. It is dishonorable to all the Japanese JuJutsu practitioners that developed those techniques while practising their killing art. I have beaten Black belt BJJs guys, I do not post videos of it and call it begineer Judoka vs. BJJ. ANyway my apologies for the vulgarities that I spit out..
@ihavetheherpes Well I can talk shit from behind the safety of the screen of my computer, but none of that will not help me any bit while engaged in combat. After taking just a few lessons in Judo, my ass kicking potential increased. I can only imagine were I will be within the next 5 years. I have learned that Judo has a response for any position and situation possible. I learned this the first time I rolled with my 145 pound, 70 + year old sensei, He kicked my ass. Me 225 and muscular
@franciscoreatas11 true shit. i want to learn judo after i get my black belt in bjj. i really admire the skill judokas have with their takedowns... and sweeps apparently as i've recently discovered.
@ihavetheherpes Right know I am exploring the original Jujutsu version of Judo Throws. THere are many modified throws that are meant to break limbs or kill. I know 4 so far. There is a neck breaker throw that was modified into a standing arm bar by Jigoro Kano. It's so easy to apply that I am glad it's not part of the current curriculum. I believe Nijitsu and Japanese Jujitsu have some of the original throws, but they are a recreation of Jujutsu. Jujutsu as akilling art died off during WWII.
@franciscoreatas11 probably because no one wears that steel/iron armor anymore lol. gotta have love for our roots though. samurai are pretty legit. gotta love that katana and wakazashi.
@glock70 because hed be thrown for ippon immediately,he totally depends on newaza.The level of sambo in america is useless so he beat the best there plus it allows much more newaza than judo.Rigan would have school any judoka in the world on the ground if he got it there and the rules allowed enough time.
@scarred10 Really ? then why not go to the source and school lets say a Judoka from Japan they play by Kodokan rules no IPPON he can use ground work all he wants or go after a Olympic Judoka you mean there were none in 93 that would except the challenge ? once again soup cans ! and don't forget Judoka Ezequiel paraquassu did the same thing to non soup cans when he subbed team Gracie Barra black belts left and right so the Gracie really have not fought the best!
@scarred10 And also were do get Sambo has more ground work then Judo? do you know that there are Judo Ne Waza tournaments all across the U.S and Europe and Asian you can even type it in right here on you tube along with freestyle Judo under AAU rules no IPPON everything is points for pins to subs to take downs to chokes and locks so where do you get you info stop watching highlight reels on you tube! Oh yeah and Sambo Ron Trip beat Rickson Gracie in 45 seconds before his loss to Rigan
@glock70 sambo allows more newaza than judo which allows virtually none nowadays.The comps you refer to are extreme minority,most schools go by olympic /ijf rules.Judo has the techs but the rules kill its practise in schools.Any decent judoka/wrestler would throw rickson,he was pissweak on his feet,he trained for the ground.
@scarred10 in all fairness Freestyle Judo has only been on the grid for a couple of years so its hard to say its a extreme minority, it has built a good following among Judoka so far and many Judoka want to see it come to their city or state also put into play it is going up against Olympic Judo tourneys and IJF and yes the current rule set sucks for judo and that is why you see more Judoka cross training & entering BJJ tourneys now days because they can use more on the mat.
BJJ vs Judo? All combats are in BJJ roles. Why? Because in Judo roles the BJJ has no chance. But in BJJ roles a judo figther has a good chance because Judo has a good technique on the ground and BJJ has a vey poor standing technique.
I was stationed in Okinawa when I started training in BJJ. For a month my instructor lost his on base contract so we trained offpost at sports center where kendo, aikido, & judo classes were held. 1 night there was literaly a class of Judoka training, an aikido class, and us training BJJ all sharing the same large tatami mat. The Judo guys did train both standing & ground but only live sparred standing, no randori on the ground. The aikido class did such unrealistic crap it was ridiculous.
@LittleJ2008 My point from that is you're not going to get as effective "ne waza" training in Judo as you would in BJJ. All of the Japanese students in my class converted over from Judo because of this. Aikido really needs to be more realistic & do live sparring like BJJ & Judo does, I know wristlock takedowns can easily snap the wrist but come on, it's a MARTIAL art. & yes, us BJJ guys should learn Judo cause pulling guard is stupid strategy in real fight & we don't train enough "tachi waza"
Yeah.. people need to understand that all these old videos of BJJ vs Judo were BJJ doing submissions off the bat while the judoka's were probably more confused since the rules where to score ippon from takedown or submission but no one in a judo tournament does a submission right at the start, unless it was a armbar or juji gatame.
@OVERCAPITALIZE The thing to consider here in this BJJ vs Judo vid is that it's a legendary BJJ player against prob average Judo black belts. Against the average BJJ black belt it's going to be the same result but against a Judoka of the same level he's prob getting thrown.
Remember like about 50 years ago, it was the boxing craze.. Then 1970-80, was the kungfu craze, then when ever karate kid came out back then it was the karate craze lol... Now it's the MMA craze... but then a couple years after, it'll be "normal" and not as popular.. Lol
@OVERCAPITALIZE I think boxing will always be popular, it's just hit a rough patch. MMA is flavor of the month and I think it will peak soon, just my opinion. When I watch MMA I just don't see the iconic moments in sport happening like they did in boxing.
Yeah man. I still think boxing isn't popular as the rising of MMA..
American MMA vs Japanese MMA. Totally go for Japanese, cause the fighters are always going for subs and KO, even the audience knows what's happening. While american mma, is all about points.. ~_~. I mean points should be the only thing to worry about if theres no way you can't KO or sub.
@OVERCAPITALIZE Ye MMA is ahead atm I like both so want them both to do well I think something big needs to happen soon in boxing tho. Totally agree, wrestling dominates in the states and it's probably the most useful tool in MMA but there's a lot of guys happy to get the takedown and control the opponent and not take too many risks. I think this will change over the years and all the top guys will be very well rounded, it's still a very new sport.
@Jimmynable exactly--this really isn't "bjj vs judo" with bjj winning over. this is one very highly skilled black belt (one of the best in the world) beating some other black belts.
I do enjoy both =D They both compliment each other well. I do like that taking both since the other class fills in what the other lacks by nature of the sport.
From my experience so far at my Judo club we do practice throws a lot more than newaza. When we do practice newaza it is solid. I do understand the rules are different between the two. And Judo newaza is more to the point since stalling gets you stood up right away. According to my instructors back in the day Judo ref would let you stay n the ground longer while now it's a lot quicker to get broken up.
@JasonSpiffy -- good point. I was a national judo competitor in the late 70's and early 80's. Judo rules back then let us stay on the mat for up to 30 seconds. During that time somebody had to gain a superior position and take the advantage. You're right BJJ rules are different from Judo. It's confusing. Rickson Gracie lost his only match ever to a judo man because of confusion over rules.
@healingglory The excuse he gave was confusion over rules, Rickson is also a black belt in Judo he must have known Uchimata on your back is ippon and defeat.
WOW, I just read the entire thread! That was a feat in itself. Some people really need to pick up a book or two and learn some history about BJJ and Judo. I have no prior martial arts experience and have started practicing Judo and BJJ at some local places.
Just to Add, what we have in this video is Rigan ( a world classbjj competitor) dominating a club level Judo tournament where most of the competitors are weekend warriours at best. So its hardly a fair comparison. NO Judo tourny of any high level would ever be held on wrestling mats with tape. That Said The Machado's are AMAZING. Would have been cool to see them take on some Olympic Judo competitors.
I don't get the big judo v bjj debate at all. Judo is better at Judo, BJJ is better at BJJ. If you put a world class competitor in each oin the mat, the winner will be determined by the rule set. You would also be suprised how competitive a player from each would be regardless of the rules. I'm sure Teddy Riner could give Roger Gracie a run for it, but he would lose in a BJJ match. Similarly Roger would prob hold his own but would lose to Teddy in Judo. Different rules = Different stratergy.
sure, judo gave way to jiujitsu... but that's evolution. bjj is better because even if you take the guy down, so what... im not gonna stand there and let you flip me. i'll pull guard, grab a sleeve, sit down, attack your ankles and ACTUALLY make you tap out...
judo was designed for samurai warriors with giant armors. you take them down and stab them with a sword... hand to hand combat, jiujtisu goes a long way.
especially if you take a bjj black belt... he'll run through judo guys in a sec
I do not consider my self a grappler but to me for defense in certain situations judo seems like the far superior martial art. In a lot of situations you do not want to be on the ground or get taken down for example if you have multiple opponents or if your fighting on pavement with glass and Judo is great for avoiding this. I also think the rule set of judo encourages a more aggressive faster style which is I think is better for self defense.
Is this a team tournament in early to mid 90's? I can see it is at West Covina Dojo. If so do you have footage of any other matches? I was teenager and competed against a jiu jitsu team at the same event. I lost by armbar as I stood back up. I would be interested in seeing the footage.
is bjj that useful in street fight? try hold my leg and lift me up, i will just seize your ears. when I fall, your ears will go off from your head, then scratch the shit out of your ear wound.
@alan513 You do realize that you're opponent can do that as well, right? It's obvious that you've never had to defend a real take down before. Also, I wouldn't recommend you try rip someones ears off unless you are 100% certain they want to kill you, especially if they have pretty good BJJ. Ripping off their ear won't stop them, they probably won't feel it, but it'll piss them off. They'll probably pop both your knees, snap both your arms, and then probably rip off your ears too. So you know.
@alan513 BJJ as a sport and BJJ as self defense are two different things. The US military trains in BJJ now, and do you think they train for sport with all it's rules and limitations?
@mrsparkle001 so its not only taught in gay club. there is a youtube video showing how gays love bjj. There is nothing wrong to be gay and love bjj u know.
Hey, all you assholes debating which one is better, shut your mouth and get in the gym and train, at this point, your jaws are getting a better work out than you guys are!!! I mainly focus on bjj but put a good amount of training on wrestling and judo. To love one, you must respect them all.
this whole BJJ vs Judo thing is ridiculous. Reminds me all rugby vs football ,PS3 vs xbox, or LCD vs Plasma shit, just do your thing and stop acting like what you are doing or have must be the best and basicly is a gift from the heavens. I do judo but never disrespected any of BJJ guys or any other MA representative, just because their are willing to work their asses off in the gym instead of just talking shit. And even if you do, please show some respect
I think judo is better to learn if street survival is important and bjj better if submission type events are important.Being able to " not go to ground " is vital in an assault situation.But for woman who are attacked and dragged to the ground by a much larger potential rapist bjj would probably be better.But all said and done its all down to the school attended and how much time spent on standup and groundwork.I'm a 90% judo 10% bjj player and i do fine in bjj and wrestling classes.
@Cod4pyro Don't base your comment only on this video. There are plenty of Judo black belts who win BJJ black belts all the time, in MMA and grappling sports. It's not the art, it's the practitioner.
@Cod4pyro Who got their ass beat by a Judoka? Oh yeah! Grandmaster Helio Gracie!
Seriously though, don't underestimate Judokas. Especially on the street. You can't really pull guard on cement unless you want to hurt your back or ruin your jacket. You can definitely IPPWN Seoi Nage some dude though.
@MobiusCoin guard pulling is a grappling tournament tactic to get to the ground as quickly as possible since there are no takedown wins in bjj.You can only score on the ground.For self defense nobody should pull guard obviously and wouldnt need to against a non wrestler or judoka.
I think Rigan would have had more trouble with A-level international Judo players. And at a Judo tournament lost more than he won, at BJJ tournament won alot more than he lost.
@Godsmasher22 - Agree. What I gather from this video is that Machado, one of the best grapplers in the world used Ne Waza to easily beat a number of American Judoka who had terrible Ne Waza.. I think Ne Waza must be badly neglected in the USA if that is the standard of the Dan grades.
@pcjudosambo - It seems neglection of Ne Waza is a USA specific problem. I wonder why this is. I doubt it is due to focus on stand up for competition because other countries also compete in Judo yet still practise Ne Waza, perhaps even to a standard where at higher grades there would be hardly any difference to BJJ.
@BluePittbull666 BJJ is excellent for MMA not so excellent for Self-Defense (unless the BJJ guy knows how to avoid takedowns or perform takedowns). Can't pull guard on the street where there's glass, sticks, knifes, guns, rocks, asphalt, concrete, metallic & sharp objects in the hands of the aggressor. There's a reason why US Military forbids going to ground grappling unless it's a completely necessary for survival. Plus, it's not the art, it's the practitioner.
@SeanOMatic ITS JUDO NEWAZA NAME A TECHNIQUE THATS NOT JUDO OR GRAPPLED BASED DONT GET FOOLED INTO THE HYPE CHECK HERE JUDO NEWAZA OR SENSEI ODA AND YOU WILL SEE IT WAS COPIED FROM JUDO
No, BJJ was adapted from newaza. There is a lot more intricacy and guard-work in BJJ and a BJJ guard is a lot more effective than a typical judo guard. Newaza is very basic ground game compared to modern BJJ, which is very, very technical on the ground, whereas Judo Newaza/Ground Work is basic in comparison. BJJ was adapted from Judo, for sure, but they've added and done a lot more to make it more effective.
@SeanOMatic i dont know what judo ur watchin but judo newaza is straight to the submission less energy in the end its the same submission so why the extra work sorry but bjj really didnt invent anthing new you must watch Tsunetane oda here in you tube the proof is there. watch judo newaza here modern bjj is copied straight from sensei oda the truth is coming out your confusing olympic judo its like sport bjj with rules dont sleep on judo newaza remember gjj was marketed tricked alot
You go find me the best judo black belt and put him against Roger Gracie. Let me know who gets submitted.
Actually, you go get me Satoshi Ishii, Japanese Olympic stud. I'll find you tons of BJJ guys who will submit him in a submission grappling tournament. Judo has such basic newaza. How can you submit a guy when his guard is superior? Judo doesn't have strong emphasis on guard and assumes your opponent is going to just lay flat on his back from the throw.
@SeanOMatic basic newaza? go find a newaza based class, and see how "basic" it is, i will agree that some judo schools dont put as much emphasis on it. but many teach very strong newaza.
@SeanOMatic you dont have to go to Asia to find someone who does judo that would ruin his day... Mark Huizinga, fedor, kosei Inoue, sergie ashwanden, nicolas gill.
There are really good Judo guys on the ground out there... Unfortunatley they all get tossed before they can do thier ground work...
You cant deny in real life... JUDO is better no one gets up from getting tossed onto a sidewalk, through a window... etc. BJJ you would end up with butt scooot abrasions...
@robinenman i think your misunderstanding how easy it is to takedown an untrained man when you can clinch them but how hard it is to throw someone trying to punch your head in when you dont train for that.Judoka who train mma are effective ,regular judoka may not be able to deal with a punch.Ive 15 yrs bjj,5 yrs wrestling,2 yrs judo,wrestling is physically the toughest,judo most technical and bjj most efficient .
@simsonyee I think the problem has become the fact that modern Judo events stand the players up really really quickly. This wasn't always the case, but now refs tend to stand people after a really short time. There is no incentive for someone who has just score a minor point to try to finish things on the ground. It becomes a waste of energy that will most likely be stopped prior to attainment of the goal of submission or even solid osaekomi.
This is to everyone that makes the comment of... without Judo there wouldn't be BJJ... if you're going to make such an idiotic comment as this, you better make sure that you go back even one more step...
IF THERE WASN'T JU JITSU, THERE WOULD BE NO JUDO, WITHOUT JUDO THERE WOULDN'T BE BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU...
@PLAYERKING20092010 I mean you could keep going back that argument you presented is an infinite regress. I think you just said that out of spite. Unfortunately we have a fallacy.
Yes this isn't BJJ beats Judo, this is Rigan Machado beats a bunch of people. Rigan is a monster. He would have been a monster regardless of if he had a BJJ, Judo, Sambo or whatever background. I've been lucky enough to train with the man and its his obsessive attention to detail and strong work ethic which set him apart from the masses.
Obviously there is natural talent there as well and this just makes it even worse for whoever has to face him.
Yes this isn't BJJ beats Judo, this is Rigan Machado beats a bunch of people. Rigan is a monster. He would have been a monster regardless of if he had a BJJ, Judo, Sambo or whatever background. I've been lucky enough to train with the man and its his obsessive attention to detail and strong work ethic which set him apart from the masses.
Obviously there is natural talent there as well and this just makes it even worse for whoever has to face him.
@SeanOMatic IF YOU KNEW YOUR HISTORY OF THE ART YOU WOULDN'T BE SITTING UP HERE CALLING PEOPLE NAMES WHEN YOUR THE DUMB ASS! JIGORO KANO CREATED JUDO AS A JIU-JITSU MASTER AND INSTRUCTOR, HE BORROWED THE BREAKING TECHNIQUES FROM JIU-JITSU AND ADDED THEM TO HIS NEW JUDO. NOW ANY LIMP DICK THAT EVER DREAMED OF BEING HARD KNOWS THIS, WHY DON'T YOU. LAST FUCKING TIME "JUDO COMES FROM JIU-JITSU" AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. BJJ IS JUST WHAT IT IS. JIGORO KANO WAS A JIU-JITSU MASTER THAT CREATED JUDO
Ju-Jutsu? Japanese Ju-Jutsu. Ever hear of it? Kano was indeed a master of Ju-Jutsu. Can you learn to type properly, do some research and stop using caps? It's annoying. K, thx.
Clarence, let's bet $1,000 that my statement was correct. I said without Judo there is no BJJ. Go find out how BRAZILLIAN JIU JITSU came to be and who originally taught the Gracie family. It was a judoka named Maeda. Now, shut up, realize you were wrong and take a hike. BJJ is not the same as Jiu Jitsu and I was sure to mention that in my above statement. So, why don't you get your facts together?
The guy who taught the Gracie's was a Jigoro Kano student named Maeda. They adapted his newaza techniques into what is known as BJJ. While you're sort of right, the man who taught the Gracie's was a judoka and taught them under Kano's blessing.
@SeanOMatic Judo > BJJ ? haha. then why 98 % of ADCC winner are BJJ guy? why in MMA most fighter learn BJJ? (even Judoka who compete in MMA they learn BJJ! ). the answer is clear, its because Judoka are greatly depends on Gi. Judo always use their opponent Gi to throw, pins, etc. while BJJ fighter can fight in any condition. BJJ fighter also have more endurance in ground fighting, and has more flexibility. even though, i admit that BJJ cant do a damn thing in stand up fighting against Judo
I was talking about what came first, not which is more effective. Do you know how to read? Apparently not. Also, why are 98% of ADCC winners BJJ guys? Because BJJ has a base as a competitive grappling sport, whereas Judo is more in line with wrestling/greco Roman. I am sorry you couldn't read/comprehend what I was saying. In reality, a guy with solid BJJ and Judo is going to do best. Many BJJ Black Belts have a judo black belt to go with it, too. (Noguiera Bros)
@SeanOMatic Wow watch that comment someone on here will say the noguiera brothers don't apply their Judo which I think is not true they really don't wrestle so their take down defense is what? I would think Judo I heard on another thread most Brazilian BJJer's are cross training in Judo as Judo is cross training in BJJ and they really don't fight about which is best they see Judo and BJJ as two different arts .
@SirRediazVh not necessarily. good judo fighters can do their throws and pins without a gi, so i wouldn't say they always use it. karo parysian was very successful with that. also, the first judo techniques i learned were from a brown belt and he taught them to me without a gi.
@SirRediazVh You're right. BJJ has a strong focus on ground fighting, and, therefore, excels while Judo's focus is on throws. That's why they work so well together. Using Judo to take the BJJ match to the ground creates a big weapon for BJJ practitioners. That's why I do both.
If you want a history lesson, I'll give it to you, but don't disrespect a martial art you have no idea about. Maeda was one of the kodokan's top Judoka's and had amazing newaza that he taught to the Gracie's. Without judo and Maeda, BJJ as you know it wouldn't be BJJ as you know it. Thank Jigoro Kano, without him, Maeda never would have come to Brazil and hooked up the Gracie's.
@SeanOMatic shure, but judo as it is today is obviously nothing compared to one Maeda and Kano were teaching. That part is really closer to BJJ or Kodokan judo. Judo today is way too limited with rules and on standup "only" (you see, 25 sec of newaza doesnt mean anything). And here is the crucial difference, in its current forms, BJJ kicks le living shit out of judo (in grappling means that is).
Judo is definitely limited currently in its sports incarnation. However, there are schools that teach more than just judo as a sport. Ideally, you should have a good judo and BJJ game, as judo will teach superior rondori and jiu jitsu will have your guard game/newaza tight.
You are sadly mistaken. Koryu JUJUTSU (Japanese JUJUTSU) is a parent of Judo. Brazillian Jiu Jitsu came FROM adapting Judo. I mean, the literature is out there. I gave a nice history lesson that is the #1 comment. It didn't get 8 thumbs up because it's wrong. Go read up on Jigoro Kano, The Gracies and the history of BJJ. Jujutsu: Judo: Brazillian Jiu Jitsu is the lineage. Get your education right.
@SeanOMatic SO this is the HISTORY ..correct me if im wrong..... Kano studied jiujitsu... and gotten a few throws and a few locks from jiujitsu and called it JUDO...gracies learned the few few locks and throws from judo added a few more and style and called it brazilian jiujitsu...
Why do you keep putting the letter "I" in JUJUTSU.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu: The art was derived from the Japanese martial art of Kodokan judo in the early 20th century.
Modern Jiu Jitsu is BJJ. Japanese JuJutsu never became as popular as BJJ. Judo was the father of BJJ. Had Maeda, a JUDO practitioner, never traveled to Brazil to teach, the Gracie's wouldn't have had an understanding of judo that allowed them to modify judo into modern day BJJ.
@2submit Ju-Jitsu is Japanese. Judo was born from Ju-Jitsu. Modern BJJ/Jiu-Jitsu came from Judo. So you can say that the "mother" of Judo, BJJ, Sambo, Shooto, Aikido, Karate, Hapkido is Japanese Ju-Jitsu and its variants (different Ryu schools). The only difference between Judo & BJJ is rules (for competition) and a few sweeps here and there a few setups here and there... the rest is identical (99%).
@SeanOMatic --- awesome job of presenting that history lesson. Carlos and Helio Gracie have written on Maeda was a great judo man. There is no rivalry between the father art of judo and its offspring BJJ. Its the younger BJJ players who don't realize that Maeda was actually a Judoka!
If anyone has ever read Dr. Jigoro Kano's book "Mind Over Muscle" you would know why he set-up Judo the way he did. He incorporated the idea of striking, however did not practice it because strikes are unforgiving unlike tapping out. The only true difference between Modern Jiu Jistu and Judo is the amount of time allowed on the mat and the ability to win by throw. Its practically the same sport with different focuses.
Judo is almost all standing unless you are a high level Judo player. A and B class Judo guys need to have an excellent ground game.
JiuJitsu is almost all ground, and same goes. Again, unless you are a high level player. Look at Jacare. It's obvious he has a pretty good Judo background.
In my eyes, we Judo players are on the same team as the JJ players. Each one focuses on a diff aspect of the same style. It all comes down to which you like better. For me it's Judo. You may be JJ.
@SaffuriousOne judo is definitely not more practical,in 99 % of judo schools they have no interest in self defense.Bjj is meant to be for self defense but really is only practised that way in relatively few schools today.
@Svittidiu a clean throw might end it if he landed heavy but no judoka is used to having strikes thrown at them or adapting their skills to that situation.BJJ taught properly does just that.
Did you know there is actually a striking syllabus in Judo? Judo teaches you to tie up immediately and not allow somebody else to strike you. Jiu Jitsu will teach you excellent ground submissions and positioning from the bottom, but in a fight, on the streets, judo will prepare you from the standing aspect, which is where most fights start. By landing a clean throw you're in great position to land a blow or walk away. Jiu Jitsu is good if you're under a heavier guy than you.
@SeanOMatic theres no striking syllabus in judo,its in a few kata but never sparred with so it might as well not exist.Judo doesnt even have any relationship to self defense in 99% of judo school and the vast majority of judoka have zero interest in self defense.Any type of grappling especially groundwork is very risky in the street where multiple attackers,blades,biting and eye gouging cant be prepared for.Leave the grappling for 1 on 1 or better still the dojo
Seeing as how I train at AKA and we have some MMA world champions under our roof, I think I know a bit about martial arts. Since I was in 3rd grade I trained Judo (Under Ed Lai of Oakland Judo Club) and now train at AKA. Some of my best friends are on the fight team. There's video of them on here wrecking shop. There's video of me using judo in a jiu jitsu tourney to outpoint people and having enough newaza to not get tapped.
Where is the video of you doing anything MA related?
@SeanOMatic you dont have any world champions,there is no world championship in mma,they are champs of a particular organisation and training at the same dojo doesnt make their ability rub offf on you.I trained at rogers in london for ages and it ws no better than many small clubs with brown belt coaches,he hardly ever coached himself anyway.IF youre training with dave your doing judo and bjj combined which is the way it should be.When i win something big or have something to teach i'll post.
I doubt you'll ever have anything to teach with your inability to spell and write proper sentences. Just keep your tainted opinions to yourself. You're from the UK? Yeah, you guys are really known for your grappling ability over there. Known for having inept grappling ability, that is. Mike Russell is great, though, so much respect to him.
Something tells me you think Kung Fu is the greatest martial art, don't you?
@SeanOMatic the brazilians have been teaching bjj in america for 20 yrs and most of them could hardly speak english when they started there so typing mistakes on youtube arent an issue.Anyway im not british but trained there a good bit,bjj has been there about 10 yrs and is nowhere near as popular as america.I think youll find british judo is way better than american judo,wrestling doesnt really hae any presence in the uk.Finally i dont rate non ful lcontact ,full resistance styles .
I'm a Judo black belt and after training in BJJ for a few months, I find Im the equivalent of a high blue belt to low purple. I have tapped many purple belts but not all . I have only been tapped twice by purple belts. I have never tapped a bjj brown belt but I've survived many a match with brown belts. Barely. Browns almost always tap me. LOL. Having said that, a BJJ black belt is not much better than a Judo green belt in standup. I've seen Judo purple belts smoke BJJ black belts standing,
@k0d0kan One is "used" to just Lying on their backs, while the Other is more Comfy on their Feet, but can QUICKLY Transition to any and aLL Defensive//OFFENSIVE Positions, I have the UTMOST respect for JUDO, hehS.....................
Basically, tizzzzz da "parent" of the OFF-SHOOT, Jiu-Jitsu
Primary differences aside, different Purposes: One is to "roll" the Other is to Stand-up & Throw, whichever is MORE Exhilarating for you
For smaller folks, they may enjoy JJ more, but that's another so-so
Jiu JItsu throws usually involve flowing to guard and they don't practice much standing grips, positioning on the feet, etc. Judo is a superior standing grappling art. Jiu Jitsu is superior on the ground.
Also, your levels of purple belts where you train could be on par with a blue belt elsewhere. Where I train (AKA) Dave Camarillo makes you work hard for belts. Our blue belts regularly beat Ralph Gracie's purple belts and blue belts when we have tourneys.
This is so fucking stupid. BJJ guys machoing like they always do. There are countless of videos of Judo practicioners submitting BJJ practicioners. I especially like the Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Royce Gracie fight where Yoshida put Royce to sleep. Ahh that was sweet. Remember how they had to revive Royce?
@Svittidiu he beat him using bjj. he was an mma fighter who's main art was judo. he started in judo then learned other martial arts like every good mma fighter should
@Svittidiu there are definitely not countless videos of that as its hardly ever happened,theyll get the takedown but rarely can submit.Royce didnt tap in that match and was never asleep.i dont think royce is a great grappler however,weakest gracie i think.Its very obvious that bjj is a stronger submission art just because thats the focus,its not magic,just mat time.
@billysue2 You are right. Royce clearly isn't the best Gracie. And he didn't tap against Yoshida. But he wasn't doing anything to free himself. There was no way he could've escaped that situation. Yoshida won, end of story. Yes, it's also true that BJJ is better on the mat. Then again Judo has better throws.
@Svittidiu the point is that he didnt sleep or tap,so he didnt lose.Theres no way royce would take a submission grappler of yoshidas size and skill though.
Royce actually might have been able to wait out that ezekiel. It wasn't deep and Royce has a very good ability to relax and manage to not get choked out. It would be interesting to see what would have happened has Yoshida not said Royce was out, because he wasn't. He actually had his hand posted and was
where the video of him losing to judoka?
r3xkilluh 2 hours ago
what i love about this sport, it is that i hated it, before i practiced it, i thought this was stupid.
After my MMA class, i met the coolest wrestler and Jiu jitsu black belts who teached me how to love the sport :D
llOoXxACExXoOllAS 1 week ago
This video is another funny BJJ marketing idea. Why did the world class BJJ fighter not fight against a world class Judoka??? All the BJJ top athletes can do is fight against third class Judoka. Judo is real, Judo throws work on the streets perfectly. BJJ is just very funny sport for very funny and for very weak people.
01Proust 3 weeks ago
@01Proust lls your funny go to a jiu jitsu school and say that...then roll. Oh and fyi this guys brother can choke you with a hand and a half.
ddk311 6 days ago
@ddk311 You are funny. The chokes of BJJ stem from Judo. Ne-waza of Judo is very powerful, there is no weak "flow". But even in Judo there is a soft style which resembles BJJ- it is called Kosen Judo. BJJ is great for doing sports. If you want to improve your self-defense skills you need Judo. Or you have to train BJJ and add Judo or wrestling (didn´t some Gracies also train Judo??). Helio Gracie was lucky to learn Kodokan Judo. For his self-defense videos he used the throws of Judo very often.
01Proust 5 days ago
@01Proust First Brazilian JiuJitsu and Judo both stem from the same source which is jiujitsu started in japan as a way to fight armored enemy's. So of course there will be similarities. The gracies and franca were thought by a kodokan Judoka and used his teachings to focus more on mastering the ground. Reason why alot of bjj black belts obtain judo black belts is because the 2 together make for a deadly combination and complements the other.
ddk311 5 days ago
@ddk311 Everybody knows BJJ stem from JUDO. JUDO came out before BJJ. Any source of the HISTORY of JUDO or BJJ including WIKIPEDIA states that BJJ is a OFFSHOOTS of JUDO . The founder of BJJ,Hélio Gracie first studied UNDER JUDO MASTERS. BJJ branched off JUDO. There would have never been BJJ if it wasnt for JUDO so dont try to make it sound like thier equals . Because One ORIGINATED from the OTHER. JUDO is SUPERIOR
Chrom3Solid 4 days ago
@Chrom3Solid So you basically just repeated everything I just said and added that you thought judo is superior. Neither is technically better than the other because both focus on the others weakness. But that was never my point it was the other guys comment about jiujitsu guys being weak sooo yea
ddk311 4 days ago
@ddk311 As long as you realize BJJ stems off JUDO its all good
Chrom3Solid 4 days ago
@Chrom3Solid Yurp never said otherwise...hope you know they both came from the same art called jiujitsu and that bjj of the past is completely different from today. Can judo say the same?
ddk311 4 days ago
@ddk311 Again as long as you know bjj is an OFFSHOOT of JUDO its all good
Chrom3Solid 4 days ago
@01Proust Im dabbling with both of them right now but my main focus is jiujitsu..My problem with you isnt about if jiujitsu or judo are better but with your comment "BJJ is just very funny sport for very funny and for very weak people." that was rude of you to say seeing as you have no basis for that statement. Jiujitsu is more than a sport but a lifestyle get your stuff right. So I say once again go say that at a Brazialian Jiujitsu school and see watsup
ddk311 5 days ago
the name of the move at 1:19 please how rigan breaks the defense, has that move a name.. i´m from austria and their no bjj clubs, only judo and go to them beacause i love bjj and use a lot of the submissions, passes, sweeps from guard but judokas do only play defense or go for sidecontroll ( katagatama ??) fuck that comoetionjudo here sucks sooo much, only controll the guy is soo boring, judo nowdays lame as fuck!!
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jejejejejejeje he just did JUDO....I see nothing else than JUDO...inclusive he had a very good standing position something that no much BJJ practioner have...undestand something NE WAZA BELONG TO JUDO AND BJJ COMING FROM JUDO...and I LOVE BOTH, ARE THE SAME WITH DIFERENT RULE...JUST THAT...
Welc01 1 month ago
@Welc01 Essentially yes. The rules of each different martial art's competitions have really transformed the focus of each art, but there is plenty of overlap between the two. I take both, because I see the value in each.
allentate 1 month ago
First of all were is the brazilian gay jitsu? all O see is Judo moves...Second, those Blck belts suck...They go grab each other Gis, then they take their time to apply a throw..Those types of black belts are moving like begineers...So fuck all you you trying to say that brazilian gay jitsu is superior...Machado was superior to those individuals...
franciscoreatas11 1 month ago
@franciscoreatas11 brazilian jiu jitsu and judo aren't much different. you're pretty much calling judo gay too. the main differences are that bjj focuses on the ground and is much tighter, where as judo is more about takedowns. don't disrespect ANY martial art. i don't care who you are. they're both good martial arts and both deserve RESPECT! one isn't better than the other, but everyone on this post who isn't talking shit, is better than you.
ihavetheherpes 1 month ago
@ihavetheherpes to my defense, posting a video of Machado (they kick ass) beating some Judokas and trying to insinuate that somehow the techniques he used were from BJJ is just dishonest and dishonorable. It is dishonorable to all the Japanese JuJutsu practitioners that developed those techniques while practising their killing art. I have beaten Black belt BJJs guys, I do not post videos of it and call it begineer Judoka vs. BJJ. ANyway my apologies for the vulgarities that I spit out..
franciscoreatas11 1 month ago
@franciscoreatas11 thank you for actually talking like an adult. that's very rare on youtube. it goes back and forth. just depends on the situation.
ihavetheherpes 1 month ago
@ihavetheherpes Well I can talk shit from behind the safety of the screen of my computer, but none of that will not help me any bit while engaged in combat. After taking just a few lessons in Judo, my ass kicking potential increased. I can only imagine were I will be within the next 5 years. I have learned that Judo has a response for any position and situation possible. I learned this the first time I rolled with my 145 pound, 70 + year old sensei, He kicked my ass. Me 225 and muscular
franciscoreatas11 1 month ago
@franciscoreatas11 true shit. i want to learn judo after i get my black belt in bjj. i really admire the skill judokas have with their takedowns... and sweeps apparently as i've recently discovered.
ihavetheherpes 1 month ago
@ihavetheherpes Right know I am exploring the original Jujutsu version of Judo Throws. THere are many modified throws that are meant to break limbs or kill. I know 4 so far. There is a neck breaker throw that was modified into a standing arm bar by Jigoro Kano. It's so easy to apply that I am glad it's not part of the current curriculum. I believe Nijitsu and Japanese Jujitsu have some of the original throws, but they are a recreation of Jujutsu. Jujutsu as akilling art died off during WWII.
franciscoreatas11 1 month ago
@franciscoreatas11 probably because no one wears that steel/iron armor anymore lol. gotta have love for our roots though. samurai are pretty legit. gotta love that katana and wakazashi.
ihavetheherpes 1 month ago
so he can do an armbar...
At that time he should have tried likes of Jimmy Pedro or Jason Morris...
Where are the ones he lost?
robinenman 1 month ago
SOUP CANS why not fight A Level Judoka ?
glock70 2 months ago
@glock70 because hed be thrown for ippon immediately,he totally depends on newaza.The level of sambo in america is useless so he beat the best there plus it allows much more newaza than judo.Rigan would have school any judoka in the world on the ground if he got it there and the rules allowed enough time.
scarred10 1 month ago
@scarred10 Really ? then why not go to the source and school lets say a Judoka from Japan they play by Kodokan rules no IPPON he can use ground work all he wants or go after a Olympic Judoka you mean there were none in 93 that would except the challenge ? once again soup cans ! and don't forget Judoka Ezequiel paraquassu did the same thing to non soup cans when he subbed team Gracie Barra black belts left and right so the Gracie really have not fought the best!
glock70 1 month ago
@glock70 they fought whoever would fight them at the time.
scarred10 1 month ago
@scarred10 Fair enough but here always has been good Judo players to test your skill against instead local tourney guys.
glock70 1 month ago
@scarred10 And also were do get Sambo has more ground work then Judo? do you know that there are Judo Ne Waza tournaments all across the U.S and Europe and Asian you can even type it in right here on you tube along with freestyle Judo under AAU rules no IPPON everything is points for pins to subs to take downs to chokes and locks so where do you get you info stop watching highlight reels on you tube! Oh yeah and Sambo Ron Trip beat Rickson Gracie in 45 seconds before his loss to Rigan
glock70 1 month ago
@glock70 sambo allows more newaza than judo which allows virtually none nowadays.The comps you refer to are extreme minority,most schools go by olympic /ijf rules.Judo has the techs but the rules kill its practise in schools.Any decent judoka/wrestler would throw rickson,he was pissweak on his feet,he trained for the ground.
scarred10 1 month ago
@scarred10 in all fairness Freestyle Judo has only been on the grid for a couple of years so its hard to say its a extreme minority, it has built a good following among Judoka so far and many Judoka want to see it come to their city or state also put into play it is going up against Olympic Judo tourneys and IJF and yes the current rule set sucks for judo and that is why you see more Judoka cross training & entering BJJ tourneys now days because they can use more on the mat.
glock70 1 month ago
BJJ vs Judo? All combats are in BJJ roles. Why? Because in Judo roles the BJJ has no chance. But in BJJ roles a judo figther has a good chance because Judo has a good technique on the ground and BJJ has a vey poor standing technique.
mrpizzato 2 months ago
Great video cross training is the best of both worlds!
judorican973 2 months ago
@judorican973 judo sucks
Notagayusername10 2 months ago
@Notagayusername10 bjj sucks
momo200090 2 months ago
No disrespect to anyone but I love Jiu Jitsu
130kali 5 months ago
I was stationed in Okinawa when I started training in BJJ. For a month my instructor lost his on base contract so we trained offpost at sports center where kendo, aikido, & judo classes were held. 1 night there was literaly a class of Judoka training, an aikido class, and us training BJJ all sharing the same large tatami mat. The Judo guys did train both standing & ground but only live sparred standing, no randori on the ground. The aikido class did such unrealistic crap it was ridiculous.
LittleJ2008 5 months ago
@LittleJ2008 My point from that is you're not going to get as effective "ne waza" training in Judo as you would in BJJ. All of the Japanese students in my class converted over from Judo because of this. Aikido really needs to be more realistic & do live sparring like BJJ & Judo does, I know wristlock takedowns can easily snap the wrist but come on, it's a MARTIAL art. & yes, us BJJ guys should learn Judo cause pulling guard is stupid strategy in real fight & we don't train enough "tachi waza"
LittleJ2008 5 months ago
Since BJJ gained popularity, a lot of judoka are training newaza harder than before. These fights can go either way now.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@TenteixSaigo
Yeah.. people need to understand that all these old videos of BJJ vs Judo were BJJ doing submissions off the bat while the judoka's were probably more confused since the rules where to score ippon from takedown or submission but no one in a judo tournament does a submission right at the start, unless it was a armbar or juji gatame.
OVERCAPITALIZE 5 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE The thing to consider here in this BJJ vs Judo vid is that it's a legendary BJJ player against prob average Judo black belts. Against the average BJJ black belt it's going to be the same result but against a Judoka of the same level he's prob getting thrown.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable
Or that too. But lets face it, an average dumbo joe wouldn't even go that dept in thinking. Which is why we hear "BJJ dominates" lol
OVERCAPITALIZE 5 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE True lol
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable
Remember like about 50 years ago, it was the boxing craze.. Then 1970-80, was the kungfu craze, then when ever karate kid came out back then it was the karate craze lol... Now it's the MMA craze... but then a couple years after, it'll be "normal" and not as popular.. Lol
OVERCAPITALIZE 5 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE I think boxing will always be popular, it's just hit a rough patch. MMA is flavor of the month and I think it will peak soon, just my opinion. When I watch MMA I just don't see the iconic moments in sport happening like they did in boxing.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable
Yeah man. I still think boxing isn't popular as the rising of MMA..
American MMA vs Japanese MMA. Totally go for Japanese, cause the fighters are always going for subs and KO, even the audience knows what's happening. While american mma, is all about points.. ~_~. I mean points should be the only thing to worry about if theres no way you can't KO or sub.
OVERCAPITALIZE 5 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE Ye MMA is ahead atm I like both so want them both to do well I think something big needs to happen soon in boxing tho. Totally agree, wrestling dominates in the states and it's probably the most useful tool in MMA but there's a lot of guys happy to get the takedown and control the opponent and not take too many risks. I think this will change over the years and all the top guys will be very well rounded, it's still a very new sport.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable
Totally dude.
Next thing you know the category name "martial arts" won't be here anymore..
it'll be categories.. with "Striking, Submission Wrestling"
OVERCAPITALIZE 5 months ago
@Jimmynable exactly--this really isn't "bjj vs judo" with bjj winning over. this is one very highly skilled black belt (one of the best in the world) beating some other black belts.
eamonob84 3 months ago
I do enjoy both =D They both compliment each other well. I do like that taking both since the other class fills in what the other lacks by nature of the sport.
JasonSpiffy 6 months ago
From my experience so far at my Judo club we do practice throws a lot more than newaza. When we do practice newaza it is solid. I do understand the rules are different between the two. And Judo newaza is more to the point since stalling gets you stood up right away. According to my instructors back in the day Judo ref would let you stay n the ground longer while now it's a lot quicker to get broken up.
JasonSpiffy 6 months ago
@JasonSpiffy -- good point. I was a national judo competitor in the late 70's and early 80's. Judo rules back then let us stay on the mat for up to 30 seconds. During that time somebody had to gain a superior position and take the advantage. You're right BJJ rules are different from Judo. It's confusing. Rickson Gracie lost his only match ever to a judo man because of confusion over rules.
healingglory 5 months ago
@healingglory
Ron Tripp is a pretty darn good judoka.
SeanOMatic 5 months ago
@healingglory The excuse he gave was confusion over rules, Rickson is also a black belt in Judo he must have known Uchimata on your back is ippon and defeat.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
WOW, I just read the entire thread! That was a feat in itself. Some people really need to pick up a book or two and learn some history about BJJ and Judo. I have no prior martial arts experience and have started practicing Judo and BJJ at some local places.
JasonSpiffy 6 months ago
Just to Add, what we have in this video is Rigan ( a world classbjj competitor) dominating a club level Judo tournament where most of the competitors are weekend warriours at best. So its hardly a fair comparison. NO Judo tourny of any high level would ever be held on wrestling mats with tape. That Said The Machado's are AMAZING. Would have been cool to see them take on some Olympic Judo competitors.
samson123450 6 months ago
I don't get the big judo v bjj debate at all. Judo is better at Judo, BJJ is better at BJJ. If you put a world class competitor in each oin the mat, the winner will be determined by the rule set. You would also be suprised how competitive a player from each would be regardless of the rules. I'm sure Teddy Riner could give Roger Gracie a run for it, but he would lose in a BJJ match. Similarly Roger would prob hold his own but would lose to Teddy in Judo. Different rules = Different stratergy.
samson123450 6 months ago 2
sure, judo gave way to jiujitsu... but that's evolution. bjj is better because even if you take the guy down, so what... im not gonna stand there and let you flip me. i'll pull guard, grab a sleeve, sit down, attack your ankles and ACTUALLY make you tap out...
judo was designed for samurai warriors with giant armors. you take them down and stab them with a sword... hand to hand combat, jiujtisu goes a long way.
especially if you take a bjj black belt... he'll run through judo guys in a sec
FlavaInYaMouf 6 months ago
I do not consider my self a grappler but to me for defense in certain situations judo seems like the far superior martial art. In a lot of situations you do not want to be on the ground or get taken down for example if you have multiple opponents or if your fighting on pavement with glass and Judo is great for avoiding this. I also think the rule set of judo encourages a more aggressive faster style which is I think is better for self defense.
antonyneal 7 months ago
Krav Maga would fuck both their shit
Zhucci 8 months ago
@Zhucci come on down. lets have a go krab magab
evulguy1 8 months ago
@Zhucci
Yeah, right, so how come that 20. dan super-duper krav maga expert Moti Horenstein got raped by Sakuraba than decided to learn BJJ?
BrickTop70 7 months ago
Is this a team tournament in early to mid 90's? I can see it is at West Covina Dojo. If so do you have footage of any other matches? I was teenager and competed against a jiu jitsu team at the same event. I lost by armbar as I stood back up. I would be interested in seeing the footage.
jessjduran 8 months ago
is bjj that useful in street fight? try hold my leg and lift me up, i will just seize your ears. when I fall, your ears will go off from your head, then scratch the shit out of your ear wound.
alan513 8 months ago
@alan513 You do realize that you're opponent can do that as well, right? It's obvious that you've never had to defend a real take down before. Also, I wouldn't recommend you try rip someones ears off unless you are 100% certain they want to kill you, especially if they have pretty good BJJ. Ripping off their ear won't stop them, they probably won't feel it, but it'll piss them off. They'll probably pop both your knees, snap both your arms, and then probably rip off your ears too. So you know.
willman808 8 months ago
@willman808 u wish ear is only thing I am going to deal with, try change position I have more surprises for ya.
alan513 8 months ago
@alan513 BJJ as a sport and BJJ as self defense are two different things. The US military trains in BJJ now, and do you think they train for sport with all it's rules and limitations?
mrsparkle001 8 months ago
@mrsparkle001 so its not only taught in gay club. there is a youtube video showing how gays love bjj. There is nothing wrong to be gay and love bjj u know.
alan513 8 months ago
@alan513 What? You're just trolling, aren't you?
mrsparkle001 8 months ago
Hey, all you assholes debating which one is better, shut your mouth and get in the gym and train, at this point, your jaws are getting a better work out than you guys are!!! I mainly focus on bjj but put a good amount of training on wrestling and judo. To love one, you must respect them all.
19thaman79 9 months ago
this whole BJJ vs Judo thing is ridiculous. Reminds me all rugby vs football ,PS3 vs xbox, or LCD vs Plasma shit, just do your thing and stop acting like what you are doing or have must be the best and basicly is a gift from the heavens. I do judo but never disrespected any of BJJ guys or any other MA representative, just because their are willing to work their asses off in the gym instead of just talking shit. And even if you do, please show some respect
przemoc666 9 months ago
Around the 2 min mark, why did they get stopped?
GJJalltheway 9 months ago
I think judo is better to learn if street survival is important and bjj better if submission type events are important.Being able to " not go to ground " is vital in an assault situation.But for woman who are attacked and dragged to the ground by a much larger potential rapist bjj would probably be better.But all said and done its all down to the school attended and how much time spent on standup and groundwork.I'm a 90% judo 10% bjj player and i do fine in bjj and wrestling classes.
MrHadenough996 10 months ago
Bjj is not judo two different styles this bjj guy wins because he already has a game plan " take it to the ground where he has a better chance".
Izajudo1995 10 months ago
BE CAREFUL DOWN THERE TOM.
chesterfieldking 10 months ago
Sambo>Bjj=Judo. ;)
MrRusian89 10 months ago
judo > bbj up in the air anyday. bbj > judo in the ground :( lol
bmxkid63 11 months ago
BJJ > Judo
Cod4pyro 11 months ago
@Cod4pyro Don't base your comment only on this video. There are plenty of Judo black belts who win BJJ black belts all the time, in MMA and grappling sports. It's not the art, it's the practitioner.
pcjudosambo 10 months ago
@Cod4pyro Who got their ass beat by a Judoka? Oh yeah! Grandmaster Helio Gracie!
Seriously though, don't underestimate Judokas. Especially on the street. You can't really pull guard on cement unless you want to hurt your back or ruin your jacket. You can definitely IPPWN Seoi Nage some dude though.
MobiusCoin 9 months ago
@MobiusCoin guard pulling is a grappling tournament tactic to get to the ground as quickly as possible since there are no takedown wins in bjj.You can only score on the ground.For self defense nobody should pull guard obviously and wouldnt need to against a non wrestler or judoka.
scarred10 9 months ago
I think Rigan would have had more trouble with A-level international Judo players. And at a Judo tournament lost more than he won, at BJJ tournament won alot more than he lost.
Godsmasher22 11 months ago
@Godsmasher22 - Agree. What I gather from this video is that Machado, one of the best grapplers in the world used Ne Waza to easily beat a number of American Judoka who had terrible Ne Waza.. I think Ne Waza must be badly neglected in the USA if that is the standard of the Dan grades.
henh32 11 months ago
@henh32 it is neglected
pcjudosambo 10 months ago
@pcjudosambo - It seems neglection of Ne Waza is a USA specific problem. I wonder why this is. I doubt it is due to focus on stand up for competition because other countries also compete in Judo yet still practise Ne Waza, perhaps even to a standard where at higher grades there would be hardly any difference to BJJ.
henh32 10 months ago
Makes it look easy, doesn't he?
Eastbay007 11 months ago
Brazilian jiu jitsu is far superior than judo.
BJJ is most effective fighting system.
BluePittbull666 11 months ago
@BluePittbull666 BJJ is excellent for MMA not so excellent for Self-Defense (unless the BJJ guy knows how to avoid takedowns or perform takedowns). Can't pull guard on the street where there's glass, sticks, knifes, guns, rocks, asphalt, concrete, metallic & sharp objects in the hands of the aggressor. There's a reason why US Military forbids going to ground grappling unless it's a completely necessary for survival. Plus, it's not the art, it's the practitioner.
pcjudosambo 10 months ago
@pcjudosambo - Don't these people realise that BJJ is Judo? You could sell Ice to these people calling it Brazilian frozen water.
henh32 10 months ago
@henh32
BJJ isn't judo. Adapted from judo with a ton more focus on the ground game.
SeanOMatic 10 months ago
@SeanOMatic ITS JUDO NEWAZA NAME A TECHNIQUE THATS NOT JUDO OR GRAPPLED BASED DONT GET FOOLED INTO THE HYPE CHECK HERE JUDO NEWAZA OR SENSEI ODA AND YOU WILL SEE IT WAS COPIED FROM JUDO
sonnych69 7 months ago
@sonnych69
No, BJJ was adapted from newaza. There is a lot more intricacy and guard-work in BJJ and a BJJ guard is a lot more effective than a typical judo guard. Newaza is very basic ground game compared to modern BJJ, which is very, very technical on the ground, whereas Judo Newaza/Ground Work is basic in comparison. BJJ was adapted from Judo, for sure, but they've added and done a lot more to make it more effective.
SeanOMatic 7 months ago
@SeanOMatic i dont know what judo ur watchin but judo newaza is straight to the submission less energy in the end its the same submission so why the extra work sorry but bjj really didnt invent anthing new you must watch Tsunetane oda here in you tube the proof is there. watch judo newaza here modern bjj is copied straight from sensei oda the truth is coming out your confusing olympic judo its like sport bjj with rules dont sleep on judo newaza remember gjj was marketed tricked alot
sonnych69 7 months ago
@sonnych69
You go find me the best judo black belt and put him against Roger Gracie. Let me know who gets submitted.
Actually, you go get me Satoshi Ishii, Japanese Olympic stud. I'll find you tons of BJJ guys who will submit him in a submission grappling tournament. Judo has such basic newaza. How can you submit a guy when his guard is superior? Judo doesn't have strong emphasis on guard and assumes your opponent is going to just lay flat on his back from the throw.
SeanOMatic 7 months ago
@SeanOMatic basic newaza? go find a newaza based class, and see how "basic" it is, i will agree that some judo schools dont put as much emphasis on it. but many teach very strong newaza.
1911Zombieslayer 7 months ago
@SeanOMatic you dont have to go to Asia to find someone who does judo that would ruin his day... Mark Huizinga, fedor, kosei Inoue, sergie ashwanden, nicolas gill.
There are really good Judo guys on the ground out there... Unfortunatley they all get tossed before they can do thier ground work...
You cant deny in real life... JUDO is better no one gets up from getting tossed onto a sidewalk, through a window... etc. BJJ you would end up with butt scooot abrasions...
robinenman 1 month ago
@robinenman i think your misunderstanding how easy it is to takedown an untrained man when you can clinch them but how hard it is to throw someone trying to punch your head in when you dont train for that.Judoka who train mma are effective ,regular judoka may not be able to deal with a punch.Ive 15 yrs bjj,5 yrs wrestling,2 yrs judo,wrestling is physically the toughest,judo most technical and bjj most efficient .
scarred10 1 month ago
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henh32 10 months ago
Machado could have beaten these guys by throwing ippons if he wanted to
LeatherAbraham 11 months ago
@seanOmatic: you mean judo will give you good tachiwaza.. Randori means free practice or free training
bluteo27 1 year ago
@bluteo27
Typically Rondori in Judo is going to be on the feet. Newaza is on the ground.
SeanOMatic 11 months ago
Most Judo player including the black belts have no idea how to defend their backs. This is one of the biggest problems judo has
simsonyee 1 year ago
@simsonyee I think the problem has become the fact that modern Judo events stand the players up really really quickly. This wasn't always the case, but now refs tend to stand people after a really short time. There is no incentive for someone who has just score a minor point to try to finish things on the ground. It becomes a waste of energy that will most likely be stopped prior to attainment of the goal of submission or even solid osaekomi.
Godsmasher22 11 months ago
3:25 what choke is that?
samme79 1 year ago
This is to everyone that makes the comment of... without Judo there wouldn't be BJJ... if you're going to make such an idiotic comment as this, you better make sure that you go back even one more step...
IF THERE WASN'T JU JITSU, THERE WOULD BE NO JUDO, WITHOUT JUDO THERE WOULDN'T BE BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU...
... read a book
PLAYERKING20092010 1 year ago
@PLAYERKING20092010 I mean you could keep going back that argument you presented is an infinite regress. I think you just said that out of spite. Unfortunately we have a fallacy.
jamesellis33 11 months ago
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Yes this isn't BJJ beats Judo, this is Rigan Machado beats a bunch of people. Rigan is a monster. He would have been a monster regardless of if he had a BJJ, Judo, Sambo or whatever background. I've been lucky enough to train with the man and its his obsessive attention to detail and strong work ethic which set him apart from the masses.
Obviously there is natural talent there as well and this just makes it even worse for whoever has to face him.
drm0xnz 1 year ago
Yes this isn't BJJ beats Judo, this is Rigan Machado beats a bunch of people. Rigan is a monster. He would have been a monster regardless of if he had a BJJ, Judo, Sambo or whatever background. I've been lucky enough to train with the man and its his obsessive attention to detail and strong work ethic which set him apart from the masses.
Obviously there is natural talent there as well and this just makes it even worse for whoever has to face him.
drm0xnz 1 year ago
@drm0xnz I completely agree. Rigan would have won even if he played for ippon by throw. He has been training BJJ everyday since he was a little kid.
LeatherandMike 1 year ago
good fighter, judo sucks
easyonetwothree 1 year ago
@easyonetwothree
You realize without Judo there is no BJJ, right? Fucking tool.
SeanOMatic 1 year ago 16
@SeanOMatic
You're exactly right man. And without monkeys, there wouldn't be any humans either.
zapkif 10 months ago
@SeanOMatic IF YOU KNEW YOUR HISTORY OF THE ART YOU WOULDN'T BE SITTING UP HERE CALLING PEOPLE NAMES WHEN YOUR THE DUMB ASS! JIGORO KANO CREATED JUDO AS A JIU-JITSU MASTER AND INSTRUCTOR, HE BORROWED THE BREAKING TECHNIQUES FROM JIU-JITSU AND ADDED THEM TO HIS NEW JUDO. NOW ANY LIMP DICK THAT EVER DREAMED OF BEING HARD KNOWS THIS, WHY DON'T YOU. LAST FUCKING TIME "JUDO COMES FROM JIU-JITSU" AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. BJJ IS JUST WHAT IT IS. JIGORO KANO WAS A JIU-JITSU MASTER THAT CREATED JUDO
vincespell 8 months ago
@vincespell
Ju-Jutsu? Japanese Ju-Jutsu. Ever hear of it? Kano was indeed a master of Ju-Jutsu. Can you learn to type properly, do some research and stop using caps? It's annoying. K, thx.
SeanOMatic 8 months ago
@vincespell
Do you want to argue that Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu was here before Judo? Do you really want to fucking do that, dummy?
SeanOMatic 8 months ago
@SeanOMatic
get your facts straight. Jiu Jitsu caame first then Judo
clarence569 6 months ago
@clarence569
Clarence, let's bet $1,000 that my statement was correct. I said without Judo there is no BJJ. Go find out how BRAZILLIAN JIU JITSU came to be and who originally taught the Gracie family. It was a judoka named Maeda. Now, shut up, realize you were wrong and take a hike. BJJ is not the same as Jiu Jitsu and I was sure to mention that in my above statement. So, why don't you get your facts together?
SeanOMatic 6 months ago
@SeanOMatic Not exactly. Judo is more BJJ's cousin than ancestor. They are both derived from the original Japanese Jiu Jitsu,
Dinoenthusiastguy 4 months ago
@Dinoenthusiastguy
Japanese Ju Jutsu>Judo>Brazillian Jiu Jitsu.
The guy who taught the Gracie's was a Jigoro Kano student named Maeda. They adapted his newaza techniques into what is known as BJJ. While you're sort of right, the man who taught the Gracie's was a judoka and taught them under Kano's blessing.
SeanOMatic 4 months ago
@SeanOMatic Judo > BJJ ? haha. then why 98 % of ADCC winner are BJJ guy? why in MMA most fighter learn BJJ? (even Judoka who compete in MMA they learn BJJ! ). the answer is clear, its because Judoka are greatly depends on Gi. Judo always use their opponent Gi to throw, pins, etc. while BJJ fighter can fight in any condition. BJJ fighter also have more endurance in ground fighting, and has more flexibility. even though, i admit that BJJ cant do a damn thing in stand up fighting against Judo
SirRediazVh 4 months ago
@SirRediazVh
I was talking about what came first, not which is more effective. Do you know how to read? Apparently not. Also, why are 98% of ADCC winners BJJ guys? Because BJJ has a base as a competitive grappling sport, whereas Judo is more in line with wrestling/greco Roman. I am sorry you couldn't read/comprehend what I was saying. In reality, a guy with solid BJJ and Judo is going to do best. Many BJJ Black Belts have a judo black belt to go with it, too. (Noguiera Bros)
SeanOMatic 4 months ago
@SeanOMatic well based on history, you're true...
SirRediazVh 4 months ago
@SeanOMatic Wow watch that comment someone on here will say the noguiera brothers don't apply their Judo which I think is not true they really don't wrestle so their take down defense is what? I would think Judo I heard on another thread most Brazilian BJJer's are cross training in Judo as Judo is cross training in BJJ and they really don't fight about which is best they see Judo and BJJ as two different arts .
glock70 2 months ago
@SirRediazVh you love bjj to much you clealry don t understand martial arts, its teh martial art not the martial artist, ask KAro
judopathoftruth 3 months ago
@SirRediazVh not necessarily. good judo fighters can do their throws and pins without a gi, so i wouldn't say they always use it. karo parysian was very successful with that. also, the first judo techniques i learned were from a brown belt and he taught them to me without a gi.
eamonob84 3 months ago
@SirRediazVh You're right. BJJ has a strong focus on ground fighting, and, therefore, excels while Judo's focus is on throws. That's why they work so well together. Using Judo to take the BJJ match to the ground creates a big weapon for BJJ practitioners. That's why I do both.
del1000005 2 months ago
@easyonetwothree
If you want a history lesson, I'll give it to you, but don't disrespect a martial art you have no idea about. Maeda was one of the kodokan's top Judoka's and had amazing newaza that he taught to the Gracie's. Without judo and Maeda, BJJ as you know it wouldn't be BJJ as you know it. Thank Jigoro Kano, without him, Maeda never would have come to Brazil and hooked up the Gracie's.
SeanOMatic 1 year ago 30
@SeanOMatic shure, but judo as it is today is obviously nothing compared to one Maeda and Kano were teaching. That part is really closer to BJJ or Kodokan judo. Judo today is way too limited with rules and on standup "only" (you see, 25 sec of newaza doesnt mean anything). And here is the crucial difference, in its current forms, BJJ kicks le living shit out of judo (in grappling means that is).
Morgothhhh 1 year ago
@Morgothhhh
Judo is definitely limited currently in its sports incarnation. However, there are schools that teach more than just judo as a sport. Ideally, you should have a good judo and BJJ game, as judo will teach superior rondori and jiu jitsu will have your guard game/newaza tight.
SeanOMatic 1 year ago
@SeanOMatic AND WHERE DID JUDO COME FROM??? JIUJITSU
2submit 11 months ago
@2submit
You are sadly mistaken. Koryu JUJUTSU (Japanese JUJUTSU) is a parent of Judo. Brazillian Jiu Jitsu came FROM adapting Judo. I mean, the literature is out there. I gave a nice history lesson that is the #1 comment. It didn't get 8 thumbs up because it's wrong. Go read up on Jigoro Kano, The Gracies and the history of BJJ. Jujutsu: Judo: Brazillian Jiu Jitsu is the lineage. Get your education right.
SeanOMatic 11 months ago
@SeanOMatic SO this is the HISTORY ..correct me if im wrong..... Kano studied jiujitsu... and gotten a few throws and a few locks from jiujitsu and called it JUDO...gracies learned the few few locks and throws from judo added a few more and style and called it brazilian jiujitsu...
2submit 11 months ago
@2submit
Why do you keep putting the letter "I" in JUJUTSU.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu: The art was derived from the Japanese martial art of Kodokan judo in the early 20th century.
Modern Jiu Jitsu is BJJ. Japanese JuJutsu never became as popular as BJJ. Judo was the father of BJJ. Had Maeda, a JUDO practitioner, never traveled to Brazil to teach, the Gracie's wouldn't have had an understanding of judo that allowed them to modify judo into modern day BJJ.
Go read or something.
SeanOMatic 11 months ago
@2submit Ju-Jitsu is Japanese. Judo was born from Ju-Jitsu. Modern BJJ/Jiu-Jitsu came from Judo. So you can say that the "mother" of Judo, BJJ, Sambo, Shooto, Aikido, Karate, Hapkido is Japanese Ju-Jitsu and its variants (different Ryu schools). The only difference between Judo & BJJ is rules (for competition) and a few sweeps here and there a few setups here and there... the rest is identical (99%).
pcjudosambo 10 months ago
@SeanOMatic --- awesome job of presenting that history lesson. Carlos and Helio Gracie have written on Maeda was a great judo man. There is no rivalry between the father art of judo and its offspring BJJ. Its the younger BJJ players who don't realize that Maeda was actually a Judoka!
healingglory 5 months ago
If anyone has ever read Dr. Jigoro Kano's book "Mind Over Muscle" you would know why he set-up Judo the way he did. He incorporated the idea of striking, however did not practice it because strikes are unforgiving unlike tapping out. The only true difference between Modern Jiu Jistu and Judo is the amount of time allowed on the mat and the ability to win by throw. Its practically the same sport with different focuses.
However its fun to watch the outcomes....
wolfhammer2010 1 year ago
Judo is almost all standing unless you are a high level Judo player. A and B class Judo guys need to have an excellent ground game.
JiuJitsu is almost all ground, and same goes. Again, unless you are a high level player. Look at Jacare. It's obvious he has a pretty good Judo background.
In my eyes, we Judo players are on the same team as the JJ players. Each one focuses on a diff aspect of the same style. It all comes down to which you like better. For me it's Judo. You may be JJ.
k0d0kan 1 year ago
@k0d0kan I Like Both, but, take what works and can be used for Either ONE:
Gripping, Balance & OFF-Balancing, are Principles that work in Either ReaLM, hehS
I like the Ground Game for Defense & Wizzzze ASS Submissions
But Judo, is more PracticaL & PeacefuL for the MIND BODY & SPIRIT
Jiu-Jitsu is GREAT 4 getting your Sweat ON, hehS
One of the MORE PracticaL, "Combative" Sports out there
It can be "lethaL" But I Prefer the CommunaL Spirit of Both
Cousins, Distant? Naw, Very CLose, hehS.....
SaffuriousOne 1 year ago
@SaffuriousOne judo is definitely not more practical,in 99 % of judo schools they have no interest in self defense.Bjj is meant to be for self defense but really is only practised that way in relatively few schools today.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 That's not true. A good judo throw on the streets will most likely knock the opponent out. I think Judo is good for self defence.
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu a clean throw might end it if he landed heavy but no judoka is used to having strikes thrown at them or adapting their skills to that situation.BJJ taught properly does just that.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Well I'm about to find that out as I'm going to start BJJ in january.
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@billysue2
Did you know there is actually a striking syllabus in Judo? Judo teaches you to tie up immediately and not allow somebody else to strike you. Jiu Jitsu will teach you excellent ground submissions and positioning from the bottom, but in a fight, on the streets, judo will prepare you from the standing aspect, which is where most fights start. By landing a clean throw you're in great position to land a blow or walk away. Jiu Jitsu is good if you're under a heavier guy than you.
SeanOMatic 1 year ago
@SeanOMatic theres no striking syllabus in judo,its in a few kata but never sparred with so it might as well not exist.Judo doesnt even have any relationship to self defense in 99% of judo school and the vast majority of judoka have zero interest in self defense.Any type of grappling especially groundwork is very risky in the street where multiple attackers,blades,biting and eye gouging cant be prepared for.Leave the grappling for 1 on 1 or better still the dojo
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
Seeing as how I train at AKA and we have some MMA world champions under our roof, I think I know a bit about martial arts. Since I was in 3rd grade I trained Judo (Under Ed Lai of Oakland Judo Club) and now train at AKA. Some of my best friends are on the fight team. There's video of them on here wrecking shop. There's video of me using judo in a jiu jitsu tourney to outpoint people and having enough newaza to not get tapped.
Where is the video of you doing anything MA related?
SeanOMatic 1 year ago
@SeanOMatic you dont have any world champions,there is no world championship in mma,they are champs of a particular organisation and training at the same dojo doesnt make their ability rub offf on you.I trained at rogers in london for ages and it ws no better than many small clubs with brown belt coaches,he hardly ever coached himself anyway.IF youre training with dave your doing judo and bjj combined which is the way it should be.When i win something big or have something to teach i'll post.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
I doubt you'll ever have anything to teach with your inability to spell and write proper sentences. Just keep your tainted opinions to yourself. You're from the UK? Yeah, you guys are really known for your grappling ability over there. Known for having inept grappling ability, that is. Mike Russell is great, though, so much respect to him.
Something tells me you think Kung Fu is the greatest martial art, don't you?
SeanOMatic 1 year ago
@SeanOMatic the brazilians have been teaching bjj in america for 20 yrs and most of them could hardly speak english when they started there so typing mistakes on youtube arent an issue.Anyway im not british but trained there a good bit,bjj has been there about 10 yrs and is nowhere near as popular as america.I think youll find british judo is way better than american judo,wrestling doesnt really hae any presence in the uk.Finally i dont rate non ful lcontact ,full resistance styles .
billysue2 1 year ago
I'm a Judo black belt and after training in BJJ for a few months, I find Im the equivalent of a high blue belt to low purple. I have tapped many purple belts but not all . I have only been tapped twice by purple belts. I have never tapped a bjj brown belt but I've survived many a match with brown belts. Barely. Browns almost always tap me. LOL. Having said that, a BJJ black belt is not much better than a Judo green belt in standup. I've seen Judo purple belts smoke BJJ black belts standing,
k0d0kan 1 year ago
@k0d0kan One is "used" to just Lying on their backs, while the Other is more Comfy on their Feet, but can QUICKLY Transition to any and aLL Defensive//OFFENSIVE Positions, I have the UTMOST respect for JUDO, hehS.....................
Basically, tizzzzz da "parent" of the OFF-SHOOT, Jiu-Jitsu
Primary differences aside, different Purposes: One is to "roll" the Other is to Stand-up & Throw, whichever is MORE Exhilarating for you
For smaller folks, they may enjoy JJ more, but that's another so-so
SaffuriousOne 1 year ago
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@k0d0kan Now, if only there were SOME Way, you could COMBINE the TWO, hehS.............................
NEW SPORT: Judo Jiu-Jitsu!!!!!!!!!!!?
hehS.....................Start Standing up, but WHY STOP after the THROW?
Go DIRECTLY into Ground Game, hehS.....................
Points? Nah, Submissions & Tap outs, hahahahahahS
You can do the "whoever" gets da throw gets First advantage, but then, whosoever gets the Sub, kinda Off-Sets that?
hehS, who cares? I'd just like to see THAT kinda MATCH!
SaffuriousOne 1 year ago
@k0d0kan
Jiu JItsu throws usually involve flowing to guard and they don't practice much standing grips, positioning on the feet, etc. Judo is a superior standing grappling art. Jiu Jitsu is superior on the ground.
Also, your levels of purple belts where you train could be on par with a blue belt elsewhere. Where I train (AKA) Dave Camarillo makes you work hard for belts. Our blue belts regularly beat Ralph Gracie's purple belts and blue belts when we have tourneys.
SeanOMatic 1 year ago
judo players in the 90's < bjj armbar
cLcnumber31 1 year ago
WOW how skinny he was then
RightWingCon81 1 year ago
This is so fucking stupid. BJJ guys machoing like they always do. There are countless of videos of Judo practicioners submitting BJJ practicioners. I especially like the Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Royce Gracie fight where Yoshida put Royce to sleep. Ahh that was sweet. Remember how they had to revive Royce?
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu he beat him using bjj. he was an mma fighter who's main art was judo. he started in judo then learned other martial arts like every good mma fighter should
GJJalltheway 1 year ago
@Svittidiu and also, please post some of those countless videos.
GJJalltheway 1 year ago
@Svittidiu there are definitely not countless videos of that as its hardly ever happened,theyll get the takedown but rarely can submit.Royce didnt tap in that match and was never asleep.i dont think royce is a great grappler however,weakest gracie i think.Its very obvious that bjj is a stronger submission art just because thats the focus,its not magic,just mat time.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 You are right. Royce clearly isn't the best Gracie. And he didn't tap against Yoshida. But he wasn't doing anything to free himself. There was no way he could've escaped that situation. Yoshida won, end of story. Yes, it's also true that BJJ is better on the mat. Then again Judo has better throws.
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu the point is that he didnt sleep or tap,so he didnt lose.Theres no way royce would take a submission grappler of yoshidas size and skill though.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Referee stoppage: Loss. How do you think Royce could've survived that choke hold?
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu
Royce actually might have been able to wait out that ezekiel. It wasn't deep and Royce has a very good ability to relax and manage to not get choked out. It would be interesting to see what would have happened has Yoshida not said Royce was out, because he wasn't. He actually had his hand posted and was