and all you morons from other countries just shut the hell up, where do you get your facts? stories? opinions? they are all created in your mind by some half mental broadcaster that airs news for their televisions ratings sake. You never believe the news. Fuckin idiots...all of you!
All you full blown retards that think the US is just going to the middle east and slaying everyone, your dead wrong. I've been to afghanistan and that was actually the complete opposite. We aided a poor valley with money and sheep at times, built them a school (just to find an IED placed in front of it by the taliban). So all of you dumbasses talking like you might know even remotely what is going on over there just shut the hell up. If you have never been there you will never know.
The phony left-right puppet show is a mere facade. Orwell understood this. It's the point he makes at the end of Animal Farm, when the animals look at their old masters. the humans, then at their new masters, the pigs, and can't see any difference, because in reality there is none. In Orwell's day totalitarianism wore two masks, Communism and Fascism. Today's totalitarians have found a "third way". They wear the mask of liberal-minded humanism. George Soros is a case in point.
I won't be responding to your posts anymore, as there is no point is discussing or reasoning with profoundly demented thinking. So spout on all you want, you will get no further reply from me.Have a good life...I hope you get to experience the utopia of non-westernized civilization! And watch those illuminati! LOL! They might have tunnels under your house! and I hope "the lawless one deals with the tenebrae soon", or we'll all be toast. That is called sarcasm, btw. hahaha. What a nutcase!
Isn't this some more of your words you posted on some kind of "illuminati" video or something?...."You all worry to much, the tenebrae won't ever achieve a full fledged application of their "rule of law", the lawless one will deal with them just as he will deal with all the problems of the world. Find respite from the pain of the world and your own woe..." hahaha. What a nut, man! Wtf kind of crazy shit are you into anyway. Nevermind, I don't want to know...just stay the fuck away from me.
Now listen, you really are embarassing yourself, so in the interest of your own dignity you should stop. Your rants are nonsensical, your arguments illogical and flawed to the point of making you look like an ass. Even to the ultra-liberal, you likely sound mentally ill and ultra foolish. But I forget that you already know this, as in one of your earlier posts you asked that you be called crazy. I didn't think you meant it literally, but you may have. It definitely is an appropriate term.
@MarvelousGeorge I don't know who these "real specialists" are...and I don't know why you insinuate that the "suspects" who are interrogated are actually just innocent people, or that they are "just anyone we feel like waterboarding tonight". That is truly a silly, unfounded, and profoundly irresponsible statement for you to make without some kind of proof or evidence. Again, I ask why you are not mortified by the insanely barbaric attrocities of terrorists??? You sidestepped that question.
I don't believe we should "avoid waterboarding" of terrorists just because of some BS "ethics" thing. It is much more horrendous, offensive, and heinous to allow murderous terrorist attacks on our citizens simply because we don't want to appear offensive in obtaining information that will prevent terrorist attacks. Before you get on your high horse, keep in mind of who we are dealing with here, and the things they have demonstrated that they will do to you and your family if given the chance.
@leland61 Nah, that's not the problem. The problem is the rest of the world sees the USA as a nation of cowards worried about being called names instead of what they SHOULD be worried about. Paralyzed by the "worry" that self-serving hostile nations might accuse the great USA of being a terrorist bunch of torture-mongers. And the most hilarious part is...the very nations that accuse the USA of that are bona-fide terrorist nations. USA a terrorist state...what a joke man.
@Sweeper5 Not exactly a terrorist state, but one with highly questinable ethics to say the least. What would you think about the country that invades state under false pretense? (with the rather obvious reason being money) How would you call a country that kidnaps any foreign citizen they feel like kidnapping and then torture him without giving him fair trial? (and man, the information is already out, a disturbing number of the people tortured havent done anything)
@MarvelousGeorge Your question..." How would you call a country that kidnaps any foreign citizen they feel like kidnapping and then torture him without giving him fair trial?".... My answer; I would call a country like that Iran or Syria or any number of Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist nations. Or maybe what the KGB used to do behind the iron curtain. Are you so stupid that you can't see the distinction???
@Sweeper5 I guess I am so stupid, because I really cant see the distinction - so please, tell me where is the difference. I mean, just because we are told they only kidnap and torture "bad guys", well, thats not exactly that different from the countries you mentioned. They also dont do this just because they are so evil and need some fun, this the EXACTLY same excuse they give to their citizens. We go after "bad guys", because otherwise they will go after us, so please, look the other way...
@MarvelousGeorge I guess you are so stupid indeed. Actually, you are beyond that...you're more of a nut case if you really believe this nonsense that you are spouting. I think you just want to be "different" so you argue a case that is ridiculous. If you really are convinced of this lunacy you speak of, then go on believing it. I'm embarassed for you, "Marvelous". I would think that you probably believe weirdness in general...like maybe we are decended from space men or something.
@Sweeper5 OK, you give me a piece of your mind, good for you.
Now explain me the difference (and if you can also explain what is "my ridiculous case" you were talking about, I would appreciate it too... is it the fact that USA does kidnap and torture people or is it something else, your post wasnt exactly easy to understand)
@MarvelousGeorge There are many differences. First, "waterboarding" for interrogation of a terrorist is not in the same ballpark as watching masked terrorist animals saw off the head of a civilian American just to make a point. I take it you think that this murder-on-film was a good thing? Do you think these terrorists wouldn't do the very same thing to you, or your sister/father/mother/brother? They would, you know. These are ruthless and cruel people, and....
@MarvelousGeorge ...and if waterboarding or other means of interrogation will prevent a suicide bomber from mass-murdering innocent civilians, do it! Do you think the USA should simply ask terrorists for life-saving information? And if they refuse to answer, just do nothing and allow terrorist murders/bombings/911 attacks, etc.? Is that what you think that ANY government should do? Why the hell aren't you up in arms about terrorist attrocities instead of waterboarding interrogations?
@Sweeper5 The problem is that its not always only terrorist that are waterboarded, it could be also "suspects" which is basically the same as "anyone we feel like waterboarding tonight". I dont think they should simply ask them, but there are other interrogation methods - I mean listen to quite a few of real specialist in this field, which actually deal with terrorists on a daily basis - they say waterboarding is rubbish because it usually gives you false/useless data.
@Sweeper5 And the reason why are people (including me) worried about this is that with the logic of "by this, we can save lives of innocent people" you can in time end up with pretty fucked up system where anything goes (and you will end up there). Why just waterboard them? Why not go full blown knife to the guts torture on their asses since they are terrorist anyway? Why not torture their wife or children too? I mean, it can "save lives", so why should USA hold back?
@MarvelousGeorge You said, " you can in time end up with pretty fucked up system where anything goes (and you will end up there)." This fucked up system of "anything goes" is exactly what the fucking terrorists adopt and impose on us! And you too if they get a chance! I mean ANYTHING. So why aren't you all up in arms about them????? Why instead, are you up in arms about waterboarding the terrorists to extract information??? You don't make any sense, dude. Do you see MY point?
@Sweeper5 Last thing - and I dont particulary like saying this - not all so called terrorist are such an evil and vile creatures as you think. They are doing despicable crimes, dont get me wrong, I hate them with all my passion, but it would be a bad mistake to think that they just fell from the sky and turned "evil" for no reason. See it from their side - often their homes have been destroyed by USA, their family killed ("whoopsie, civilian casualties" - look at the numbers from Iraq)..
@MarvelousGeorge What you are saying in a roundabout way, is that the USA deserves all this, and even more. Well, we don't deserve it. We didn't deserve 911, I'm sorry. The USA helps more than anyone whenever a catastrophe strikes a foreign country. I mean come on...how much did Syria or Iran or Saudi contribute to Port Au Prince? Yet the USA remains the most hated country, despite the humanitarian aid we dole out. The more we give, the more we're hated. Well, too bad I say.
@Sweeper5 Call me crazy but I don't think what the US deserves can be determined by someone who lives within it, also your accursed nation doesn't help more than it hurts, hence the reason it is such a hated place.
@BANE616 OK, I'll do as you asked and call you crazy. Because you are. Out of curiosity, what utopian lovenest country do you dwell in? I'll bet it is a wonderful place filled with benevolence and love for it's fellow man. I can tell that by your comments. Once again...hi crazy. Oh, and maybe the reason the US is a hated place is not because it hurts anyone more than it helps. The world has always been a place where the ignorant and backward somehow blame the succesful and hate them.
@Sweeper5 It's pretty amusing how you throw those words about, considering how "ignorant and backward" the USA is, not only is it a vile decadent shit hole, it's also populated by what are possibly the most atrocious specimens of humanity ever to walk the earth. The thought of a nation the likes of yours having the power to influence other nations is very scary indeed, and the further your nation is brought down the better off the world will be.
@BANE616 Ignorant and backwards...yeah right, genius. LOL! I'm so embarassed that we aren't advanced like Iran and Iraq and Syria and the likes (terrorist nations...not freedom fighters, you moron). And our citizens are "the most atrocious specimens of humanity ever to walk the earth"? hahaha I'm embarassed for you to be making such irresponsible and outrageously silly statements.
@Sweeper5 You keep down talking those nations, personally I would rather take my chances living in any one of those nations over say Detroit for example... Mr. Advanced.
Also how could you be embarrassed for me, you know full well what I'm saying is right. Gluttony, wrath, greed, lust, envy, slothfulness, and of course pride are the foundations and driving mechanisms of the greater portion of American society, and it is displayed clearly in the people.
@BANE616 Why don't you try a really good country to live in. Say maybe...Syria? Or maybe join Bin Laden in Afghanistan (even though I think Bin Laden is long dead...just on one will admit it). Anyway, those countries might suit you well, Mr. Bane. Australia is much too westernized for your "cultured" tastes, I would presume. You'd do much better in an Islamic Fundamentalist State. Iran and Saudi are also good choices for you. Pakistan. Hell, you should go and experience what real evil is.
@Sweeper5 I fail to see what any of that has to do with your beloved nation being a stain upon the earth, most of your comment alludes to you simply disliking middle eastern nations and I suppose accordingly anyone from the middle east, have you ever heard the saying one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist? Perhaps if you gave the blind patriotism a rest you might be able to see a little clearer.
Oh and btw I can assure you that you do not know what "real evil" is, yankee clown.
@BANE616 Wow man, you really ARE crazy. Like certifiable dude. Freedom fighters, eh? Wow, you need help. Stain upon the earth? Oh man, talking to you is like talking to someone from Mars.
@BANE616 Sharper than you, and a lot more grounded in reality. In case you didn't get it, the Mars thing was not meant literally, it was a figure of speech. With your infinite intelligence, you somehow seemed to miss that point. Anyway, this discussion is over, as I won't dignify your insanity with a response from here on out. Dialogue with you is akin to arguing with a truly irrational and insane person. I guess you hate your own country too? You must since Aus. is allied with the US.
@Sweeper5 I somehow doubt that considering the utter bullshit spewed forth in your comments, and as for being more grounded in reality, your floating pal, floating in a sea of propaganda and half truths. Also I am aware it's a figure of speech you utter moron, however it's also a stupid figure of speech, isn't it (Especially if someone decides to ask the question I did). Oh and yes, I do hate Australia, loath it with a passion.
@Sweeper5 Funny how you don't answer any important questions Sweep, just browsing your other posts, you have been smashed by several other ppl already, you're a joke and you're actually the loony here, but then I suppose considering where you live that's no big surprise. Every yank I meet is as dumb as dog shit and twice as ugly, not to mention they have the sensibility and power to reason of a 4 yr old.
@Sweeper5 I suppose that if large chunks of the rest of the world are terrified of the USA and what they're going to do next (eg Iran - ?), then you probably are a terrorist state... The rest of the world certainly doesn't see the US as a nation of cowards - rather the opposite. By the way: I hear that the definitition of a terrorist is a man who has a bomb, but no airforce. I think that joke is aimed at the US and the UK.
@nowthatsinteresting1 And conversely... I suppose that if large chunks of the civilized world are terrified of rogue terrorist-supporting nations (eg Iran-?) developing nuclear weapons despite international treaties to the contrary...and unabashedly lying about it; claiming their nuclear program is peaceful...well, if you have one shred of intelligence you will see where I'm going with this. How stupid do you guys think the US is???
@Sweeper5 I raised Iran because, given half a chance, your leaders would attack Iran in the same way and under the same pretext as Iraq. The IAEA are in Iran all the time. Iran is 3 years away from having enough material to make a bomb - even if that is their aim and they're doing it in secret under the noses of the IAEA. FYI, it takes a large number of high spec centrifuges to produce bomb material - can't be done in a hurry. The US not stupid - it's acting in its own selfish best interests.
@nowthatsinteresting1 You raised Iran why? WTF do you mean "if my leaders were given half a chance to attack Iran in the same way as Iraq". Do you think they couldn't do that if that's what we were about? That's NOT what we're about and you fucking know it. When there's a tsunami, a quake in Port au Prince its US who is there with humanitarian aid. Not France, not Saudi, not Africa, not Russia, and definitely not IRAN. Maybe they're all just too paralyzed with fear of the USA to offer help.
@nowthatsinteresting1 And..."three years away from a nuclear weapon" is not a long time bro. I see from your profile that you are from the UK. From what I read, you must be quite a sympathizer of middle eastern terrorist agenda. At least you can admit that. Maybe you should consider moving to Iran or maybe Syria. Sounds like you'd fit right in there. Certainly your political perspectives would be at home there, more than in the UK for sure.
@Sweeper5 Yeah - I think that the actions of the US are bad for world stability and world economy - so I must support the terrorists therefore. By the way, my opinions about the US and its evil part in world politics fits in totally with most of us here. Your leaders would attack Iran if they thought they could get away with it on the world stage. After Iraq, they can't. Discussion over.
@nowthatsinteresting1 You are a fucking supporter of terrorists!?! Oh My God (not Allah, by the way). Yes, discussion over indeed. You have the unmitigated gall to blatant say you support terrorists, and in the next breath say that you hate my country because you consider it a terrorist nation. You're fucking insane. And I don't mean that as a figure of speech...I mean it literally. Now discussion over. Go back to your bombmaking and murdering of innocent children. Now leave me alone.
@Sweeper5 ... their country is occupied and everything that under false pretenses. Again, I hate their methods, I really REALLY do, but sometimes I can see the reasons behind their hate - and the reasons are pretty valid, I think.
As I said - its a mistake to simplify things and think that your enemy is just some evil creature being evil for the purpose of being evil.
I think he tells the truth, why would they change the definatation of waterboarding from torturing to not torturing just because America does it?..It goes against the 8th amendment in the Bill of Rights so its unconstitutional. Please tell me if im wrong but is the constitution not what you Americans base your entire Government round and the point of you having Liberties?
we should waterboard this false 'reporter'. He is a liberal scum leftist and should be tortured for the entertainment of all to view, especially the young children. Bwahahahaaaaaaaa
And if obama condoned the use of waterboarding....this clown 'reporter' would stand behind it 100 percent...fucking liberals....alwasy a double standard
I'm against any sort of tortures , but this is not scientific to describe a single "term" before and after 2004.
The term "waterboarding" was coined in 2004 (Source : Wikipedia) , so even if they used another word for it , you can not use percentages for non-equal terms
Haha! did he just say the democrats are center right? does he realize that Obama and the democratic congress just spent a higher percentage of money than the Spviet Union did during its peak of spending? The soviets were communist so of course government spending was high
Dude. You better speak the truth just like this when you host Ratigan's show. We wont accept anything less than you bringing the righteous anger just like this video Cenk. All progressives just wish for this "what if i got just 1 day to to speak the truth on the establishment owned airwaves" and you got it brutha. Don't bring that weak sauce in other words. And if they throw you off the air then you did your job.
@armstrongkj21 So you managed to be racist and homophobic but did not actually comment on the video. I can not help but wonder what you think you just achieved?
This is the reason y when I was younger thought the USA was the good guys, but as I grew older and learnt more and found out this is the reason y I was lead to believe the USA was the good guys it's all brain wash and propaganda by the establishment media.
if people could think for themselves, without having to be told what to think then there wouldn't be this problem and the main stream media would be out of business. But thats a big if
Torture is not interrogation. Interrogation is used to obtain information. Torture is used to obtain compliance. If a government wants to know what someone has been doing, that government will interrogate them. If a government wants a person to confess to a specific crime, whether he did it or not, that government will torture him.
@fredtheredshirt however, you could use the act of torture on someone to get information. in that sense the people are not subject to torcture, but rather they are being tortured for interrogation purposes. its just semantics now.
@clcluv1708 No. You cannot use the act of torture to get information. That is the point. Torture is useless for the purpose of obtaining factual information.
Interrogation does not use torture. Ask any trained interrogator.
@fredtheredshirt That's a very interesting distinction. I wonder if it is that black and white -- not likely, I think. Thanks for the point. I think that certainly holds for most instances, surely.
He removed the embargo so Saddam could fight our enemy Iran. What's wrong with that? I seriously doubt Reagan knew Saddam was planning on building WMD's. You are using sources from Liberal organizations who twist, distort and exaggerate facts.
Waterboarding isn't torture according to obama's attorney general. It goes to intent. If the intent of waterboarding is to gain information, it isn't torture. The intent for waterboarding our special forces is for training purposes. Even obama's home boy eric holder got it but, he sure didn't like it.
@nolibhere4923 Holden is just as wrong as Gonzales. It doesn't go to intent, intent has nothing to do with it. The laws about waterboarding are very clear and have been for decades. The reason waterboarding special forces troops isn't illegal is because they aren't prisoners, it's being done for training purposes, and the people doing it are on their side.
so I guess were not entitled to have different opinions than the liberal fascists who twist facts...Cenk called the democrats center right when this past year they spent more money than the soviet union ever spent adjusted for inflation
@pennjersey83 First of all, you still haven't provided and references to back up your outrageous claims. Second, name one policy the Fascists came up with and implemented that can be equated to the progressive policies before or after WWII. Fascist and progressive ideologies have absolutely nothing in common. Also, my advice to you, stop using your nonsensical fear tactics on the Youtube audience, it will not work, people here are far more rational and intelligent than the audience of Fox News.
@pennjersey83 Wow, you certainly have a funny way of looking at things. Give me the references that back up your numbers. The fact of the matter is that one of the most beloved "conservatives", Ronald Reagan, inflated the bloated defense spending to such proportions that it ended up being many times bigger than that of the Soviet Union could ever afford. Redistributing wealth from the middle class to the rich and dumping rest on defense spending is not fiscally conservative at all.
Beleive me or not, I don;t care. The Obama administration has spent more of a percentage of its GDP than the USSR did in any time period of it's existence
Archbishop Charles Chaput -- "We make a very serious mistake if we rely on media like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, or MSNBC for reliable news about religion. These news media simply don’t provide trustworthy information about religious faith — and sometimes they can’t provide it, either because of limited resources or because of their own editorial prejudices.”
If you can't believe these sources about religion, then doesn't that color everything they publish?
@pennjersey83 You need to let go of your warped perception of "socialism" as if it is an evil entity here to destroy your freedoms. Almost every respectable first-world nation's economy has a healthy mixture of free market and socialist policies implemented in such a way as to make the economy viable and provide its citizens with enough social and economic stability for them to not worry about the future. Classical examples are Canada and France, both fit definition of a modern socialist nation.
Maybe he removed an Embargo but that isn't the same thing as knowingly suppling him with WMD's. Clinton removed Embargos on N. Korea, so I guess Clinton supplied N. Korea with Nuclear technology.
We need a new generation of people in congress. I'm sick of neither side representing me and only representing big business. Neither side will even talk about prison reform. According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics "In 2008, over 7.3 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end — 3.2% of all U.S. adult residents or 1 in every 31 adults."[6]
We need a new generation of people in congress. I'm sick of neither side representing me and only representing big business. Neither side will even talk about prison reform. According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics "In 2008, over 7.3 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end — 3.2% of all U.S. adult residents or 1 in every 31 adults."[6]
And this is exactly why I dont watch the news anymore.. When I do watch it I cant help but laugh at the worthless stories that the media fronts.. Keeping the real unbiassed news in the closet and then feed a load of shit to the people.
Mainstream Media Journalists and Reporters are Corporate-Slave Establishment-Puppet Neocon OWNED by the Military Industrial Complex, War Industry, Corporations, Zionists and Neocons. Their job is to get access to the powerful and wealthy and keep the powerful and wealthy HAPPY. Their Job IS TO SELL NEOCON/ZIONIST LIES, PROPAGANDA & WARS TO ALL GULLIBLE OUT THERE WHO LOVES BELIEVING IN LIES). NO REAL JOURNALISTS ON TV. Media loves keeping the Fascist state (1 entity of Gov & Corporations) happy.
Limbaugh, Murdoch, CNN, MSNBC & NEOCON MEDIA have 1 GOAL, it's to keep the Two Party Fascist Corporate-Owned System going, they want ALL Americans to be Divided ONLY as Dem or GOP, they know Neocon Corporate-Whore Obama is doing everything they want and they are on Obama's side & Obama is on their side, but they have to ACT like Wrestling Actors, ACT like they hate each other. Neocon Corporate-Owned Israel-Owned US Politics is Fake Wrestling & Acting, No 3rd parties allowed, No Democracy allowed
Media's fully owned by Israel & War Industry (CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC & FOX). ALL Executives in these neocon media giants are Establishment Zionist Neocon Likud GOP Jews with double citizenship w/ Israel. Israel tells US Media which Corporations to support, which groups to support, which Wars to support (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Wars against Islam for Israel/USA/Oil/Corporate Empire). Israel tells US Media what to report & what to show
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Big newspapers have more important things to worry about. Like quarterly profits and ad revenue, for example. Opposing the administration could have cost them a couple advertisers, which means the CEO wouldn't hit his bonus.
Cenk touched on something here and I wish he'd stuck with it a little longer so I just want to expand and clarify what I think's the central point here.
At 518 Cenk says "If the American people decide 'no, bush is right, we should torture people', OK, we've becomes an ugly and hideous country but, that's what they've decided."
The point of this media bias is to ensure that people don't get to make that choice, in fact they don't even know there is a choice. It just slowly becomes normal.
Reagan provided Iraq with arms not WMD to fight our enemy Iran. That is a great idea. Why not get them to do your dirty work. The republican party of today is the same party of Reagan. A demonstration wouldn't have done shit. Just like sanctions agains North Korea and Iran haven't done shit.
@NeoQuello i dunno if you went through it you'd feel like you were being drowned and probably feel the same amount of fear you would in any kind of torture
Great story. Anyone would confess to anything with waterboarding. Navy seals break, anyone will break. It's controlled drownig. This is what JFK warned us about before he was killed. And "THEY" have been in charge and making there own rules since JFK loss. He was the last true president, flaws & all.
@vashguud .... LOL JFK warned us about? Another dummy. This never happenned. Give me the quote. You are confused I can only guess with Eisenhower who warned about the military industrial complex. It wasn't Kennedy. But it's more romantic if Kennedy said it I assume. So you could of had a cavaet like "Based on a True Story" like Hollywood does when they lie. LOL
@aSingleDallasGuy ""Some say that it is useless to speak of world peace or world law or world disarmament and that it will be useless until the leaders of the Soviet Union adopt a more enlightened attitude. I hope they do. I believe we can help them do it. But I also believe that we must reexamine our own attitudes as individuals and as a Nation for our attitude is as essential as theirs.
@aSingleDallasGuy "And every graduate of this school, every thoughtful citizen who despairs of war and wishes to bring peace, should begin by looking inward by examining his own attitude toward the possibilities of peace, toward the Soviet Union, toward the course of the cold war and toward freedom and peace here at home."
Just one of several examples of how JFK felt about war and the pressure he was under from the MIC/CIA.
@NCAJAX Do you happen to wear a tin foil hat? You couldn't be more wrong lol I hope you are being sarcastic.
First, Obama calls it torture and always has. 2nd, this story is about the News bowing down to Bush during the Bush years. The report is from 1930-2008 and 2004-2008. In NONE of those years was Obama even President.
Note: Move the antenna on the tin foil hat to the left.
Republicans = for torturing America's enemies (not friends, not citizens, our ENEMIES)
Democrats = against torturing America's enemies...instead, they are for giving them U.S. Constitutional Rights and the best taxpayer funded lawyers in America
Shows you who's controlling the media, doesn't it. Shining cities on hills burn the brightness. Can The Young Turks say, without pause, that they always give the unbiased truth?
not like we all already didnt know that the mainstream media is a manipulative propaganda machine used by governments and corporations against us... but this story really helps hammer that point home. lol
A similar study was done on how much reporting was done between the Pol Pot atrocity and the East Timor atrocity. Both atrocities were happening at the same time. The Pol Pot atrocity was a communist atrocity, the East Timor actrocity was a capitalist atrocity. The number of East Timoreans killed by capitalists made the Holocaust look like nothing in comparison.
Guess which atrocity the U.S media reported the most and which the U.S. media failed to report on.
"Race" didn't become a codified law until the 16th century. Before then people we aware of each other's differences, but it was more of customary rather than a legalized way.
I think we should agree to disagree. I don't think that your world is one that I would prefer to inhabit in.
I believe in a future where humanity grows & evolve to a higher level of consciousness & morality. It seems that you believe otherwise.
Hulk has seriously no respect for anyone who won't admit waterboarding is torture. Our CORPORATE media is just that.
CORPORATE MEDIA.
They want evertthing for only the already corporate rich AND at any and all costs. They are the enemies of freedom and opportunity for they only want either to live thier hands.
@Bellita1 You should thank the Democrats, last time I checked FDR, the POTUS during WWII, was a Democrat and he is a big reason why we are speaking English and not German right now. He is also one of the reasons we remained a Country instead of dissolving after the Great Depression.
@Bellita1 You are an idiot. Also, "Saved us from Carter?" You are the only person that I know of that believes Carter was a threat to ANYTHING. But at least Carter created 10 million jobs by the time he left office in 4 years, Bush created less than 1 million in 8 years.
P.S. If you hate debt, then you must hate Reagan. He put us in big time debt.
Carter caused our energy crisis in the 70s and was the worst president ever. Carter created a double dip resession that Reagan brought us out of. Carter didn't create 10M jobs. Please cite your examples. You are a freaking liar.
@Bellita1 Well, you just proved you don't know anything on the Subject. Stating Carter was the worst POTUS ever is completely ignorant. Bush will be listed as the worst and currently is listed at bottom 5. Hoover was much worse than Carter. As per jobs, Check out the Wall Street Journal article under title "Bush on JObs: Worst track Record On Record" Look at Carter and Bush job created. It says Bush created 3million but 2.5 million of those jobs were lost right after he left office.
@Bellita1 Here is another article from Think Progress, under the title "Steele Makes Up Facts: ‘George Bush Created A Lot Of Jobs." Read down and you will see the number of jobs created under Bush, Clinton, and Carter.
@Bellita1 You are a moron. That Think Progress link used that WSJ source that I additionally gave you, as their source in that article. Funny, how you didn't say anything about the WSJ article that states the same thing. But by your logic, my point must be correct (even though it already is) b/c the WSJ said it and we know the WSJ is a conservative newspaper, owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News
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TheAwesomeAnt 5 months ago
and all you morons from other countries just shut the hell up, where do you get your facts? stories? opinions? they are all created in your mind by some half mental broadcaster that airs news for their televisions ratings sake. You never believe the news. Fuckin idiots...all of you!
jdoubs14 6 months ago
All you full blown retards that think the US is just going to the middle east and slaying everyone, your dead wrong. I've been to afghanistan and that was actually the complete opposite. We aided a poor valley with money and sheep at times, built them a school (just to find an IED placed in front of it by the taliban). So all of you dumbasses talking like you might know even remotely what is going on over there just shut the hell up. If you have never been there you will never know.
jdoubs14 6 months ago
Cenk, the media is not right-wing.
dmcarefuldriver 7 months ago
The phony left-right puppet show is a mere facade. Orwell understood this. It's the point he makes at the end of Animal Farm, when the animals look at their old masters. the humans, then at their new masters, the pigs, and can't see any difference, because in reality there is none. In Orwell's day totalitarianism wore two masks, Communism and Fascism. Today's totalitarians have found a "third way". They wear the mask of liberal-minded humanism. George Soros is a case in point.
MrTobytwirl 7 months ago
Disgusting media control.
bebopbountyhead 8 months ago
I won't be responding to your posts anymore, as there is no point is discussing or reasoning with profoundly demented thinking. So spout on all you want, you will get no further reply from me.Have a good life...I hope you get to experience the utopia of non-westernized civilization! And watch those illuminati! LOL! They might have tunnels under your house! and I hope "the lawless one deals with the tenebrae soon", or we'll all be toast. That is called sarcasm, btw. hahaha. What a nutcase!
Sweeper5 1 year ago
Isn't this some more of your words you posted on some kind of "illuminati" video or something?...."You all worry to much, the tenebrae won't ever achieve a full fledged application of their "rule of law", the lawless one will deal with them just as he will deal with all the problems of the world. Find respite from the pain of the world and your own woe..." hahaha. What a nut, man! Wtf kind of crazy shit are you into anyway. Nevermind, I don't want to know...just stay the fuck away from me.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
Now listen, you really are embarassing yourself, so in the interest of your own dignity you should stop. Your rants are nonsensical, your arguments illogical and flawed to the point of making you look like an ass. Even to the ultra-liberal, you likely sound mentally ill and ultra foolish. But I forget that you already know this, as in one of your earlier posts you asked that you be called crazy. I didn't think you meant it literally, but you may have. It definitely is an appropriate term.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge I don't know who these "real specialists" are...and I don't know why you insinuate that the "suspects" who are interrogated are actually just innocent people, or that they are "just anyone we feel like waterboarding tonight". That is truly a silly, unfounded, and profoundly irresponsible statement for you to make without some kind of proof or evidence. Again, I ask why you are not mortified by the insanely barbaric attrocities of terrorists??? You sidestepped that question.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
Doesn't News Corp on the Time and WSJ? I know they own the WSJ, which makes them just Fox News in sheep's clothing.
keepinlow 1 year ago
Mainstream media is the servant of the ruling class.
leland61 1 year ago
I don't believe we should "avoid waterboarding" of terrorists just because of some BS "ethics" thing. It is much more horrendous, offensive, and heinous to allow murderous terrorist attacks on our citizens simply because we don't want to appear offensive in obtaining information that will prevent terrorist attacks. Before you get on your high horse, keep in mind of who we are dealing with here, and the things they have demonstrated that they will do to you and your family if given the chance.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 When you say "terrorists" you are referring to the government right? Because I'm all for waterboarding them.
ibtsv 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 the problem is that the rest of the world sees the USA as a terrorist state and that is exactly what it has become.
leland61 1 year ago
@leland61 Nah, that's not the problem. The problem is the rest of the world sees the USA as a nation of cowards worried about being called names instead of what they SHOULD be worried about. Paralyzed by the "worry" that self-serving hostile nations might accuse the great USA of being a terrorist bunch of torture-mongers. And the most hilarious part is...the very nations that accuse the USA of that are bona-fide terrorist nations. USA a terrorist state...what a joke man.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 Not exactly a terrorist state, but one with highly questinable ethics to say the least. What would you think about the country that invades state under false pretense? (with the rather obvious reason being money) How would you call a country that kidnaps any foreign citizen they feel like kidnapping and then torture him without giving him fair trial? (and man, the information is already out, a disturbing number of the people tortured havent done anything)
I mean, those are the facts.
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge Your question..." How would you call a country that kidnaps any foreign citizen they feel like kidnapping and then torture him without giving him fair trial?".... My answer; I would call a country like that Iran or Syria or any number of Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist nations. Or maybe what the KGB used to do behind the iron curtain. Are you so stupid that you can't see the distinction???
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 I guess I am so stupid, because I really cant see the distinction - so please, tell me where is the difference. I mean, just because we are told they only kidnap and torture "bad guys", well, thats not exactly that different from the countries you mentioned. They also dont do this just because they are so evil and need some fun, this the EXACTLY same excuse they give to their citizens. We go after "bad guys", because otherwise they will go after us, so please, look the other way...
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge I guess you are so stupid indeed. Actually, you are beyond that...you're more of a nut case if you really believe this nonsense that you are spouting. I think you just want to be "different" so you argue a case that is ridiculous. If you really are convinced of this lunacy you speak of, then go on believing it. I'm embarassed for you, "Marvelous". I would think that you probably believe weirdness in general...like maybe we are decended from space men or something.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 OK, you give me a piece of your mind, good for you.
Now explain me the difference (and if you can also explain what is "my ridiculous case" you were talking about, I would appreciate it too... is it the fact that USA does kidnap and torture people or is it something else, your post wasnt exactly easy to understand)
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge There are many differences. First, "waterboarding" for interrogation of a terrorist is not in the same ballpark as watching masked terrorist animals saw off the head of a civilian American just to make a point. I take it you think that this murder-on-film was a good thing? Do you think these terrorists wouldn't do the very same thing to you, or your sister/father/mother/brother? They would, you know. These are ruthless and cruel people, and....
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge ...and if waterboarding or other means of interrogation will prevent a suicide bomber from mass-murdering innocent civilians, do it! Do you think the USA should simply ask terrorists for life-saving information? And if they refuse to answer, just do nothing and allow terrorist murders/bombings/911 attacks, etc.? Is that what you think that ANY government should do? Why the hell aren't you up in arms about terrorist attrocities instead of waterboarding interrogations?
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 The problem is that its not always only terrorist that are waterboarded, it could be also "suspects" which is basically the same as "anyone we feel like waterboarding tonight". I dont think they should simply ask them, but there are other interrogation methods - I mean listen to quite a few of real specialist in this field, which actually deal with terrorists on a daily basis - they say waterboarding is rubbish because it usually gives you false/useless data.
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 And the reason why are people (including me) worried about this is that with the logic of "by this, we can save lives of innocent people" you can in time end up with pretty fucked up system where anything goes (and you will end up there). Why just waterboard them? Why not go full blown knife to the guts torture on their asses since they are terrorist anyway? Why not torture their wife or children too? I mean, it can "save lives", so why should USA hold back?
Do you see my point?
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge You said, " you can in time end up with pretty fucked up system where anything goes (and you will end up there)." This fucked up system of "anything goes" is exactly what the fucking terrorists adopt and impose on us! And you too if they get a chance! I mean ANYTHING. So why aren't you all up in arms about them????? Why instead, are you up in arms about waterboarding the terrorists to extract information??? You don't make any sense, dude. Do you see MY point?
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 Last thing - and I dont particulary like saying this - not all so called terrorist are such an evil and vile creatures as you think. They are doing despicable crimes, dont get me wrong, I hate them with all my passion, but it would be a bad mistake to think that they just fell from the sky and turned "evil" for no reason. See it from their side - often their homes have been destroyed by USA, their family killed ("whoopsie, civilian casualties" - look at the numbers from Iraq)..
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge What you are saying in a roundabout way, is that the USA deserves all this, and even more. Well, we don't deserve it. We didn't deserve 911, I'm sorry. The USA helps more than anyone whenever a catastrophe strikes a foreign country. I mean come on...how much did Syria or Iran or Saudi contribute to Port Au Prince? Yet the USA remains the most hated country, despite the humanitarian aid we dole out. The more we give, the more we're hated. Well, too bad I say.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 Call me crazy but I don't think what the US deserves can be determined by someone who lives within it, also your accursed nation doesn't help more than it hurts, hence the reason it is such a hated place.
BANE616 1 year ago
@BANE616 OK, I'll do as you asked and call you crazy. Because you are. Out of curiosity, what utopian lovenest country do you dwell in? I'll bet it is a wonderful place filled with benevolence and love for it's fellow man. I can tell that by your comments. Once again...hi crazy. Oh, and maybe the reason the US is a hated place is not because it hurts anyone more than it helps. The world has always been a place where the ignorant and backward somehow blame the succesful and hate them.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 It's pretty amusing how you throw those words about, considering how "ignorant and backward" the USA is, not only is it a vile decadent shit hole, it's also populated by what are possibly the most atrocious specimens of humanity ever to walk the earth. The thought of a nation the likes of yours having the power to influence other nations is very scary indeed, and the further your nation is brought down the better off the world will be.
BANE616 1 year ago
@BANE616 Ignorant and backwards...yeah right, genius. LOL! I'm so embarassed that we aren't advanced like Iran and Iraq and Syria and the likes (terrorist nations...not freedom fighters, you moron). And our citizens are "the most atrocious specimens of humanity ever to walk the earth"? hahaha I'm embarassed for you to be making such irresponsible and outrageously silly statements.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 You keep down talking those nations, personally I would rather take my chances living in any one of those nations over say Detroit for example... Mr. Advanced.
Also how could you be embarrassed for me, you know full well what I'm saying is right. Gluttony, wrath, greed, lust, envy, slothfulness, and of course pride are the foundations and driving mechanisms of the greater portion of American society, and it is displayed clearly in the people.
BANE616 1 year ago
@BANE616 Oh, your an ozzy. I'll be Crocodile Dundee would whip your ass if he heard you talking such rubbish. LOL!
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@BANE616 Why don't you try a really good country to live in. Say maybe...Syria? Or maybe join Bin Laden in Afghanistan (even though I think Bin Laden is long dead...just on one will admit it). Anyway, those countries might suit you well, Mr. Bane. Australia is much too westernized for your "cultured" tastes, I would presume. You'd do much better in an Islamic Fundamentalist State. Iran and Saudi are also good choices for you. Pakistan. Hell, you should go and experience what real evil is.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 I fail to see what any of that has to do with your beloved nation being a stain upon the earth, most of your comment alludes to you simply disliking middle eastern nations and I suppose accordingly anyone from the middle east, have you ever heard the saying one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist? Perhaps if you gave the blind patriotism a rest you might be able to see a little clearer.
Oh and btw I can assure you that you do not know what "real evil" is, yankee clown.
BANE616 1 year ago
@BANE616 Wow man, you really ARE crazy. Like certifiable dude. Freedom fighters, eh? Wow, you need help. Stain upon the earth? Oh man, talking to you is like talking to someone from Mars.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 Your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you Sweep. You do understand what that saying implies don't you?
btw How many people from mars have you spoken to?
BANE616 1 year ago
@BANE616 Sharper than you, and a lot more grounded in reality. In case you didn't get it, the Mars thing was not meant literally, it was a figure of speech. With your infinite intelligence, you somehow seemed to miss that point. Anyway, this discussion is over, as I won't dignify your insanity with a response from here on out. Dialogue with you is akin to arguing with a truly irrational and insane person. I guess you hate your own country too? You must since Aus. is allied with the US.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 I somehow doubt that considering the utter bullshit spewed forth in your comments, and as for being more grounded in reality, your floating pal, floating in a sea of propaganda and half truths. Also I am aware it's a figure of speech you utter moron, however it's also a stupid figure of speech, isn't it (Especially if someone decides to ask the question I did). Oh and yes, I do hate Australia, loath it with a passion.
BANE616 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 Funny how you don't answer any important questions Sweep, just browsing your other posts, you have been smashed by several other ppl already, you're a joke and you're actually the loony here, but then I suppose considering where you live that's no big surprise. Every yank I meet is as dumb as dog shit and twice as ugly, not to mention they have the sensibility and power to reason of a 4 yr old.
BANE616 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 I suppose that if large chunks of the rest of the world are terrified of the USA and what they're going to do next (eg Iran - ?), then you probably are a terrorist state... The rest of the world certainly doesn't see the US as a nation of cowards - rather the opposite. By the way: I hear that the definitition of a terrorist is a man who has a bomb, but no airforce. I think that joke is aimed at the US and the UK.
nowthatsinteresting1 1 year ago
@nowthatsinteresting1 And conversely... I suppose that if large chunks of the civilized world are terrified of rogue terrorist-supporting nations (eg Iran-?) developing nuclear weapons despite international treaties to the contrary...and unabashedly lying about it; claiming their nuclear program is peaceful...well, if you have one shred of intelligence you will see where I'm going with this. How stupid do you guys think the US is???
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 I raised Iran because, given half a chance, your leaders would attack Iran in the same way and under the same pretext as Iraq. The IAEA are in Iran all the time. Iran is 3 years away from having enough material to make a bomb - even if that is their aim and they're doing it in secret under the noses of the IAEA. FYI, it takes a large number of high spec centrifuges to produce bomb material - can't be done in a hurry. The US not stupid - it's acting in its own selfish best interests.
nowthatsinteresting1 1 year ago
@nowthatsinteresting1 You raised Iran why? WTF do you mean "if my leaders were given half a chance to attack Iran in the same way as Iraq". Do you think they couldn't do that if that's what we were about? That's NOT what we're about and you fucking know it. When there's a tsunami, a quake in Port au Prince its US who is there with humanitarian aid. Not France, not Saudi, not Africa, not Russia, and definitely not IRAN. Maybe they're all just too paralyzed with fear of the USA to offer help.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@nowthatsinteresting1 And..."three years away from a nuclear weapon" is not a long time bro. I see from your profile that you are from the UK. From what I read, you must be quite a sympathizer of middle eastern terrorist agenda. At least you can admit that. Maybe you should consider moving to Iran or maybe Syria. Sounds like you'd fit right in there. Certainly your political perspectives would be at home there, more than in the UK for sure.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 Yeah - I think that the actions of the US are bad for world stability and world economy - so I must support the terrorists therefore. By the way, my opinions about the US and its evil part in world politics fits in totally with most of us here. Your leaders would attack Iran if they thought they could get away with it on the world stage. After Iraq, they can't. Discussion over.
nowthatsinteresting1 1 year ago
@nowthatsinteresting1 You are a fucking supporter of terrorists!?! Oh My God (not Allah, by the way). Yes, discussion over indeed. You have the unmitigated gall to blatant say you support terrorists, and in the next breath say that you hate my country because you consider it a terrorist nation. You're fucking insane. And I don't mean that as a figure of speech...I mean it literally. Now discussion over. Go back to your bombmaking and murdering of innocent children. Now leave me alone.
Sweeper5 1 year ago
@Sweeper5 ... their country is occupied and everything that under false pretenses. Again, I hate their methods, I really REALLY do, but sometimes I can see the reasons behind their hate - and the reasons are pretty valid, I think.
As I said - its a mistake to simplify things and think that your enemy is just some evil creature being evil for the purpose of being evil.
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
I think he tells the truth, why would they change the definatation of waterboarding from torturing to not torturing just because America does it?..It goes against the 8th amendment in the Bill of Rights so its unconstitutional. Please tell me if im wrong but is the constitution not what you Americans base your entire Government round and the point of you having Liberties?
tony2t9adfw 1 year ago
we should waterboard this false 'reporter'. He is a liberal scum leftist and should be tortured for the entertainment of all to view, especially the young children. Bwahahahaaaaaaaa
PornStar650Biker2012 1 year ago
@PornStar650Biker2012 you havn't watched cenk enough then if you think that. do it!
and nice -and nice random blaming.
thetrueturnip 1 year ago
Conservatives are hawks about the U.S. and disparage other countries suffering with government controlled media. So our country is different how???
barba3gr 1 year ago
Democrats and Republicans: Both enemies of free will.
Billymaysfan6837 1 year ago
And if obama condoned the use of waterboarding....this clown 'reporter' would stand behind it 100 percent...fucking liberals....alwasy a double standard
PornStar650Biker2012 1 year ago
@PornStar650Biker2012 lol tyt often call Obama up on his many many faults.
e105b5 1 year ago
@PornStar650Biker2012 The first video in my suggestions for this video is Cenk getting mad at Obama for authorizing the assassination of US Citizens.
balderdash707 1 year ago
the corporate media in order to support the Bush administration changed the wording to lessen the negative implication of torture
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
I'm against any sort of tortures , but this is not scientific to describe a single "term" before and after 2004.
The term "waterboarding" was coined in 2004 (Source : Wikipedia) , so even if they used another word for it , you can not use percentages for non-equal terms
g1code 1 year ago
@g1code I had a look at the study and it states in the methodology that they searched for the term “waterboarding” and its historical synonyms.
Type this: Torture at Times: Waterboarding in the Media
The first result in google is a pdf of the study.
Thought you might be interested.
BeveledSpilchOnion 1 year ago
@BeveledSpilchOnion I am , thanks for the effort
g1code 1 year ago
I hate the us specialy because of the twissted news!
7thPlace 1 year ago
lol @ head restructuring.
YourMovieSucksDOTorg 1 year ago
Head reconstruction-ing
ston3thro 1 year ago
Haha! did he just say the democrats are center right? does he realize that Obama and the democratic congress just spent a higher percentage of money than the Spviet Union did during its peak of spending? The soviets were communist so of course government spending was high
pennjersey83 1 year ago
Dude. You better speak the truth just like this when you host Ratigan's show. We wont accept anything less than you bringing the righteous anger just like this video Cenk. All progressives just wish for this "what if i got just 1 day to to speak the truth on the establishment owned airwaves" and you got it brutha. Don't bring that weak sauce in other words. And if they throw you off the air then you did your job.
FuXnDajenariht 1 year ago
American Media is complete bullshit.
treid100182 1 year ago 3
Republican fucks always piss me off
spaik007 1 year ago
"The establishment media SUCKS!" Right on, Cenk. Keep The Young Turks on top of the stories, man.
amazingbollweevil 1 year ago 3
There's a reason they're called the "lamestream media."
Sanguiluna 1 year ago
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you suck you screaming turkish fag
armstrongkj21 1 year ago
@armstrongkj21 So you managed to be racist and homophobic but did not actually comment on the video. I can not help but wonder what you think you just achieved?
WillShakespeare2007 1 year ago
@armstrongkj21 hahah you amuse me because you are dumb
spaik007 1 year ago
This is yet another perfect vindication of Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent thesis.
nomis101uk 1 year ago
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nomis101uk 1 year ago
This is the reason y when I was younger thought the USA was the good guys, but as I grew older and learnt more and found out this is the reason y I was lead to believe the USA was the good guys it's all brain wash and propaganda by the establishment media.
superphi 1 year ago
This piece would go perfectly on Rattigans show. hard facts and to the point.
wimscheers 1 year ago
virtually all of the ownership of major media outlets are republican. ..
.. the only difference is that some, like MSNBC, *tolerate* progressives like Keith Olbermann and Racheal Maddow, while others like fox do not.
milkgodnl 1 year ago
I hope TyT stays true to their roots as their message grows
lilpoindexter 1 year ago
if people could think for themselves, without having to be told what to think then there wouldn't be this problem and the main stream media would be out of business. But thats a big if
walshybhoy1 1 year ago
Torture is not interrogation. Interrogation is used to obtain information. Torture is used to obtain compliance. If a government wants to know what someone has been doing, that government will interrogate them. If a government wants a person to confess to a specific crime, whether he did it or not, that government will torture him.
fredtheredshirt 1 year ago 45
@fredtheredshirt however, you could use the act of torture on someone to get information. in that sense the people are not subject to torcture, but rather they are being tortured for interrogation purposes. its just semantics now.
clcluv1708 9 months ago
@clcluv1708 No. You cannot use the act of torture to get information. That is the point. Torture is useless for the purpose of obtaining factual information.
Interrogation does not use torture. Ask any trained interrogator.
fredtheredshirt 7 months ago
@fredtheredshirt That's a very interesting distinction. I wonder if it is that black and white -- not likely, I think. Thanks for the point. I think that certainly holds for most instances, surely.
cbrusharmy 9 months ago
@Rata4You
Send me the link
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Rata4You
He removed the embargo so Saddam could fight our enemy Iran. What's wrong with that? I seriously doubt Reagan knew Saddam was planning on building WMD's. You are using sources from Liberal organizations who twist, distort and exaggerate facts.
Bellita1 1 year ago
20 should go f... themselfs >_>
tqrules 1 year ago
Bush administration spin-doctoring, perhaps?
mynameis677 1 year ago
Waterboarding isn't torture according to obama's attorney general. It goes to intent. If the intent of waterboarding is to gain information, it isn't torture. The intent for waterboarding our special forces is for training purposes. Even obama's home boy eric holder got it but, he sure didn't like it.
nolibhere4923 1 year ago
@nolibhere4923 SERE training hasn't included waterboarding for years and years (going back before 9/11) because it was judged too dangerous.
shalcall 1 year ago
@nolibhere4923 Holden is just as wrong as Gonzales. It doesn't go to intent, intent has nothing to do with it. The laws about waterboarding are very clear and have been for decades. The reason waterboarding special forces troops isn't illegal is because they aren't prisoners, it's being done for training purposes, and the people doing it are on their side.
ismeme 1 year ago
Wow, 15 morons actually thumbed this video down, must be the heads of the major media sources and Chaney using 10 of his Youtube accounts!
neutrality2 1 year ago 44
@neutrality2
It's probably Liz Cheney or some other "Dictator" wannabe !
luchpockets 1 year ago
@neutrality2 HAHAHAHAHAHA :D
Trippy420Hippy 1 year ago
@neutrality2
so I guess were not entitled to have different opinions than the liberal fascists who twist facts...Cenk called the democrats center right when this past year they spent more money than the soviet union ever spent adjusted for inflation
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 "Liberal Fascist" is an oxymoron.
You, on the other hand, are just a moron.
FuckYouLetMeLogIn 1 year ago 15
@FuckYouLetMeLogIn
actually...progressives were called fasist up until ww2 and changed their name due to public opinion...but the policies remained the same
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83
Are you nuts? Progressives were called Fascists up until WW2? Word of advise. Don't get your history lessons from Glenn Beck.
FuXnDajenariht 1 year ago
@FuXnDajenariht
Ok, Hitler was fascist.
He implemented high regulatory policies against business.
He had universal health care
He allowed government to take over any business that threatened national security (BP)
He had a welfare and public housing program
He taxed the rich at a rate of 90 percent
I'm not gonna give you my sources but if you use google you can see for yourself that this is documented
pennjersey83 1 year ago 2
@pennjersey83
HITLER ROCKS!!!
woodyfly 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 First of all, you still haven't provided and references to back up your outrageous claims. Second, name one policy the Fascists came up with and implemented that can be equated to the progressive policies before or after WWII. Fascist and progressive ideologies have absolutely nothing in common. Also, my advice to you, stop using your nonsensical fear tactics on the Youtube audience, it will not work, people here are far more rational and intelligent than the audience of Fox News.
neutrality2 1 year ago
@neutrality2
Ok, Hitler was fascist.
He implemented high regulatory policies against business.
He had universal health care
He allowed government to take over any business that threatened national security (BP)
He had a welfare and public housing program
He taxed the rich at a rate of 90 percent
I'm not gonna give you my sources but if you use google you can see for yourself that this is documented
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@FuckYouLetMeLogIn
And callling people you've never met names isn't moronic?
MrTobytwirl 7 months ago
Our new would-be slave-masters feign humanism,when in reality they have nothing but contempt for humaity.
They feign altruism and philathropy, when in reality they are motivated by greed and lust for power.
They claim custodianship of our liberty when liberty, by its very nature, requires no custodian.
They claim exclusive custodianship of the very earth and all creatures on it, when such custodianship is the birthright of usall.
MrTobytwirl 7 months ago
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Our new would-be slave-masters feign humanism,when in reality they have nothing but contempt for humaity.
They feign altruism and philathropy, when in reality they are motivated by greed and lust for power.
They claim custodianship of our liberty when liberty, by its very nature, requires no custodian.
They claim exclusive custodianship of the very earth and all creatures on it, when such custodianship is the birthright of us all.
MrTobytwirl 7 months ago
@pennjersey83 Wow, you certainly have a funny way of looking at things. Give me the references that back up your numbers. The fact of the matter is that one of the most beloved "conservatives", Ronald Reagan, inflated the bloated defense spending to such proportions that it ended up being many times bigger than that of the Soviet Union could ever afford. Redistributing wealth from the middle class to the rich and dumping rest on defense spending is not fiscally conservative at all.
neutrality2 1 year ago 7
@neutrality2
Beleive me or not, I don;t care. The Obama administration has spent more of a percentage of its GDP than the USSR did in any time period of it's existence
pennjersey83 1 year ago
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Archbishop Charles Chaput -- "We make a very serious mistake if we rely on media like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, or MSNBC for reliable news about religion. These news media simply don’t provide trustworthy information about religious faith — and sometimes they can’t provide it, either because of limited resources or because of their own editorial prejudices.”
If you can't believe these sources about religion, then doesn't that color everything they publish?
vechorik 6 months ago
@pennjersey83 You need to let go of your warped perception of "socialism" as if it is an evil entity here to destroy your freedoms. Almost every respectable first-world nation's economy has a healthy mixture of free market and socialist policies implemented in such a way as to make the economy viable and provide its citizens with enough social and economic stability for them to not worry about the future. Classical examples are Canada and France, both fit definition of a modern socialist nation.
neutrality2 1 year ago
@neutrality2 Actually, Chaney only has 9 youtube accounts. one of those thumb downs was Internet Killer Joe Lieberman
DrQuijano 1 year ago 3
@Rata4You
Maybe he removed an Embargo but that isn't the same thing as knowingly suppling him with WMD's. Clinton removed Embargos on N. Korea, so I guess Clinton supplied N. Korea with Nuclear technology.
Bellita1 1 year ago
but cenk why do you care what happend in the 1930s? lol just saying,,, yes yes mainstream media is a joke
519ist 1 year ago
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We need a new generation of people in congress. I'm sick of neither side representing me and only representing big business. Neither side will even talk about prison reform. According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics "In 2008, over 7.3 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end — 3.2% of all U.S. adult residents or 1 in every 31 adults."[6]
anus565 1 year ago
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We need a new generation of people in congress. I'm sick of neither side representing me and only representing big business. Neither side will even talk about prison reform. According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics "In 2008, over 7.3 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end — 3.2% of all U.S. adult residents or 1 in every 31 adults."[6]
anus565 1 year ago
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anus565 1 year ago
And this is exactly why I dont watch the news anymore.. When I do watch it I cant help but laugh at the worthless stories that the media fronts.. Keeping the real unbiassed news in the closet and then feed a load of shit to the people.
ummmwhatnow 1 year ago
Mainstream Media Journalists and Reporters are Corporate-Slave Establishment-Puppet Neocon OWNED by the Military Industrial Complex, War Industry, Corporations, Zionists and Neocons. Their job is to get access to the powerful and wealthy and keep the powerful and wealthy HAPPY. Their Job IS TO SELL NEOCON/ZIONIST LIES, PROPAGANDA & WARS TO ALL GULLIBLE OUT THERE WHO LOVES BELIEVING IN LIES). NO REAL JOURNALISTS ON TV. Media loves keeping the Fascist state (1 entity of Gov & Corporations) happy.
halcyon0830 1 year ago
Limbaugh, Murdoch, CNN, MSNBC & NEOCON MEDIA have 1 GOAL, it's to keep the Two Party Fascist Corporate-Owned System going, they want ALL Americans to be Divided ONLY as Dem or GOP, they know Neocon Corporate-Whore Obama is doing everything they want and they are on Obama's side & Obama is on their side, but they have to ACT like Wrestling Actors, ACT like they hate each other. Neocon Corporate-Owned Israel-Owned US Politics is Fake Wrestling & Acting, No 3rd parties allowed, No Democracy allowed
halcyon0830 1 year ago
BIGGEST LIE = US Media "Liberal"
Media's fully owned by Israel & War Industry (CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC & FOX). ALL Executives in these neocon media giants are Establishment Zionist Neocon Likud GOP Jews with double citizenship w/ Israel. Israel tells US Media which Corporations to support, which groups to support, which Wars to support (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Wars against Islam for Israel/USA/Oil/Corporate Empire). Israel tells US Media what to report & what to show
watch?v=Kiyyp9cZdY0
halcyon0830 1 year ago
ALL US MEDIA OWNED BY AIPAC NEOCON ZIONIST GOP JEWS
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TimeWarner/CNN CEO Jeffrey Bewkes (Jew), NewsCorp CEO Peter Chernin (Jew), Murdoch (Jewish Mother), Viacom Owner Sumner Redstone (Jew), BBC CEO Greg Dyke (Jew), Paramount CEO Brad Grey (Jew), Walt Disney/ABC CEO Robert Iger (Jew), Sony Chair Michael Lynton (Jew), MSNBC President Phil Griffin (Jew), CBS CEO Leslie Moonves (Jew), MGM Harry Sloan (Jew) & NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker (Jew)
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watch?v=k1-Bbz_TBMc
halcyon0830 1 year ago
Big newspapers have more important things to worry about. Like quarterly profits and ad revenue, for example. Opposing the administration could have cost them a couple advertisers, which means the CEO wouldn't hit his bonus.
And we can't have that now, can we?
mhirtes12 1 year ago
Cenk you are so right - the established media now SUX! Is it mainly due to Rupert Murdoch and Fox?
UnkleSi 1 year ago
Cenk touched on something here and I wish he'd stuck with it a little longer so I just want to expand and clarify what I think's the central point here.
At 518 Cenk says "If the American people decide 'no, bush is right, we should torture people', OK, we've becomes an ugly and hideous country but, that's what they've decided."
The point of this media bias is to ensure that people don't get to make that choice, in fact they don't even know there is a choice. It just slowly becomes normal.
tangent272 1 year ago
@Rata4You
Reagan provided Iraq with arms not WMD to fight our enemy Iran. That is a great idea. Why not get them to do your dirty work. The republican party of today is the same party of Reagan. A demonstration wouldn't have done shit. Just like sanctions agains North Korea and Iran haven't done shit.
Bellita1 1 year ago
Just goes to show, it is not terrorism when we do it.
stewart0312 1 year ago 2
Its not just the establishment media in the usa.. its practically everything in the usa that is deceiving.
DRDNIBOY 1 year ago
well... be happy its not Hostel style TORTURE..
NeoQuello 1 year ago
@NeoQuello i dunno if you went through it you'd feel like you were being drowned and probably feel the same amount of fear you would in any kind of torture
NellieIee 1 year ago
Great story. Anyone would confess to anything with waterboarding. Navy seals break, anyone will break. It's controlled drownig. This is what JFK warned us about before he was killed. And "THEY" have been in charge and making there own rules since JFK loss. He was the last true president, flaws & all.
vashguud 1 year ago 21
@vashguud .... LOL JFK warned us about? Another dummy. This never happenned. Give me the quote. You are confused I can only guess with Eisenhower who warned about the military industrial complex. It wasn't Kennedy. But it's more romantic if Kennedy said it I assume. So you could of had a cavaet like "Based on a True Story" like Hollywood does when they lie. LOL
aSingleDallasGuy 1 year ago
@aSingleDallasGuy ""Some say that it is useless to speak of world peace or world law or world disarmament and that it will be useless until the leaders of the Soviet Union adopt a more enlightened attitude. I hope they do. I believe we can help them do it. But I also believe that we must reexamine our own attitudes as individuals and as a Nation for our attitude is as essential as theirs.
....cont'd
ismeme 1 year ago
@aSingleDallasGuy "And every graduate of this school, every thoughtful citizen who despairs of war and wishes to bring peace, should begin by looking inward by examining his own attitude toward the possibilities of peace, toward the Soviet Union, toward the course of the cold war and toward freedom and peace here at home."
Just one of several examples of how JFK felt about war and the pressure he was under from the MIC/CIA.
ismeme 1 year ago
@aSingleDallasGuy Look up JFK secret societies speech.
jwhyte67 1 year ago
@vashguud how do you know Navy SEALs "break" during waterboarding?
njlaxattack17 1 year ago
This is just one more example of the media looking the other way for Obama, the guy the media chose.
NCAJAX 1 year ago
@NCAJAX Do you happen to wear a tin foil hat? You couldn't be more wrong lol I hope you are being sarcastic.
First, Obama calls it torture and always has. 2nd, this story is about the News bowing down to Bush during the Bush years. The report is from 1930-2008 and 2004-2008. In NONE of those years was Obama even President.
Note: Move the antenna on the tin foil hat to the left.
dfrutled 1 year ago
@dfrutled lmao
QueenLioness84 1 year ago
@TheSafecracker777 Shut the fuck uo
You idiot
xSsj3Sasukex 1 year ago
democrats, republicans. neither party is looking out for the interest of the common people. Their ONLY loyalty is to the corporations that fund them.
Gr00veDrag0n 1 year ago
wish I could watch genk on NBC but I can't gotta work. GIVE THEM HELL GENK
Raikaze 1 year ago
yeah, Cenk, You convinced me. you are the best journalist around aside from Amy Goodman.
wateryskipper 1 year ago
Republicans = for torturing America's enemies (not friends, not citizens, our ENEMIES)
Democrats = against torturing America's enemies...instead, they are for giving them U.S. Constitutional Rights and the best taxpayer funded lawyers in America
ChaseRocker 1 year ago
Shows you who's controlling the media, doesn't it. Shining cities on hills burn the brightness. Can The Young Turks say, without pause, that they always give the unbiased truth?
nobuckle40 1 year ago
also, i wanna take anna out to applebees... or maybe the olive garden :)
ott0Kitam 1 year ago
not like we all already didnt know that the mainstream media is a manipulative propaganda machine used by governments and corporations against us... but this story really helps hammer that point home. lol
ott0Kitam 1 year ago
A similar study was done on how much reporting was done between the Pol Pot atrocity and the East Timor atrocity. Both atrocities were happening at the same time. The Pol Pot atrocity was a communist atrocity, the East Timor actrocity was a capitalist atrocity. The number of East Timoreans killed by capitalists made the Holocaust look like nothing in comparison.
Guess which atrocity the U.S media reported the most and which the U.S. media failed to report on.
666brainiac 1 year ago
This is 1984 - Newspeak.
romanmir01 1 year ago
perfect example of how gov't controls the media
shell7324 1 year ago
@JASONNHENCHMENN
"Race" didn't become a codified law until the 16th century. Before then people we aware of each other's differences, but it was more of customary rather than a legalized way.
I think we should agree to disagree. I don't think that your world is one that I would prefer to inhabit in.
I believe in a future where humanity grows & evolve to a higher level of consciousness & morality. It seems that you believe otherwise.
God bless & peace be with you.
willia3r 1 year ago
Hulk has seriously no respect for anyone who won't admit waterboarding is torture. Our CORPORATE media is just that.
CORPORATE MEDIA.
They want evertthing for only the already corporate rich AND at any and all costs. They are the enemies of freedom and opportunity for they only want either to live thier hands.
HulkSmashPunyHumans 1 year ago
Hey Cenk. We waterboarded 3 people. At least 1 of the persons that were waterboarded was directly responsible for 911. Who the fuck cares.
How about the Free pass NObama gets from the media.
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Bellita1 Thank you for opening your mouth, you left us with no doubt that you are a moron.
dfrutled 1 year ago
@dfrutled
Thank You for being a Democrat and siding with the Terrorists against the people of the United State of America. You are a typical Democrat
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Bellita1 You should thank the Democrats, last time I checked FDR, the POTUS during WWII, was a Democrat and he is a big reason why we are speaking English and not German right now. He is also one of the reasons we remained a Country instead of dissolving after the Great Depression.
dfrutled 1 year ago
@dfrutled
No I thank Eisenhower for droping the bomb and ending the war. I also thank Reagan for saving us from Carter
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Bellita1 Harry Truman dropped the bomb...a democrat....
WhoKnowsDenver 1 year ago
@WhoKnowsDenver
You are right. My bad.
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Bellita1 You are an idiot. Also, "Saved us from Carter?" You are the only person that I know of that believes Carter was a threat to ANYTHING. But at least Carter created 10 million jobs by the time he left office in 4 years, Bush created less than 1 million in 8 years.
P.S. If you hate debt, then you must hate Reagan. He put us in big time debt.
dfrutled 1 year ago
@dfrutled
Carter caused our energy crisis in the 70s and was the worst president ever. Carter created a double dip resession that Reagan brought us out of. Carter didn't create 10M jobs. Please cite your examples. You are a freaking liar.
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Bellita1 Well, you just proved you don't know anything on the Subject. Stating Carter was the worst POTUS ever is completely ignorant. Bush will be listed as the worst and currently is listed at bottom 5. Hoover was much worse than Carter. As per jobs, Check out the Wall Street Journal article under title "Bush on JObs: Worst track Record On Record" Look at Carter and Bush job created. It says Bush created 3million but 2.5 million of those jobs were lost right after he left office.
dfrutled 1 year ago
@dfrutled
So those jobs were lost by Obama?
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Bellita1 Here is another article from Think Progress, under the title "Steele Makes Up Facts: ‘George Bush Created A Lot Of Jobs." Read down and you will see the number of jobs created under Bush, Clinton, and Carter.
dfrutled 1 year ago
@dfrutled ,
Think Progess, is a liberal organization. If I sent you quotes from Fox News would you believe them?
Bellita1 1 year ago
@Bellita1 You are a moron. That Think Progress link used that WSJ source that I additionally gave you, as their source in that article. Funny, how you didn't say anything about the WSJ article that states the same thing. But by your logic, my point must be correct (even though it already is) b/c the WSJ said it and we know the WSJ is a conservative newspaper, owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News
dfrutled 1 year ago