You are forgetting about the lack of money once the machines take the jobs. That is why money is going away too. Resource based economy. IT has started with OWS and yes you are correct. I will post my video I made in regards to this. You can Google it or look up the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement and other RBE groups out there.
here is some technology for peace: HEMP!!! hemp=strong fiber for clothes, hemp+lime=hempcrete(stronger and lighter than concrete). hemp seeds are complete proteins. Hemp=renewable. hemp=abundance, abundance=no profit, no profit means ILLEGALIZE IT.
It seems there are more than 5000 unreleased patents, why not using them all for the benefit of the people, the animals, the plants & even de-polluting the Earth entirely ? Then we should all be provided with a descent life, but also will be thrown in a real new world, not the old junk trap those Luciferans Nazis cultists want us to into. All Tesla, Reich & countless others need to be revealed to the world NOW !
Nanotechnology also has great potential to bring peace since such small yet highly purposeful devices can be developed using fewer resources and with little to no monetary cost. We will see amazing advancements in all sciences from technology to healthcare. Let us not forget Carl Sagan when he said, "Exactly the same technology can be used for good and for evil."
This jives 100% with what I've been thinking lately the only couple things I might want to add to your list of techs and ideas is this concept of livable food forests that I've been dwelling on. So imagine if everyone plants edible food gardens everywhere, food forest style, and then find a way to build tree houses among the canopy. Thats how I think I want to live! Gonna try to figure it out here on Vancouver Island I think. Thanks again for the inspirational videos!
@joskemom i know you wrote this 1 month ago but 3d-printers have been in use for roughly 3-5 years(known as rapid prototyping machines) now and atm even have the capability of printing some nonplastic materials and is being developed to include metals soon. Also the resolution in the average ones is up to 0.1 milimeter(yup 100 micrometers - the good ones can go up to 0.016mm) accuracy...
in addition mit made a 3d printer which prints FOOD! yep FOOD!
@DesertHamster Ok desert, you never made the claim of world peace through tech, I was just voicing out against this absurd video that makes the claim. But I am still not going to eat printer food.
so world peace depends all on how we use technology, totally a materialistic mindset, which is whats wrong with the world today...You know Native Americans lived in peace and harmony with earth because they had things like wisdom and intuition, all this technology means nothing if people don't have intuition and wisdom.
World Peace? Have you people completely ignored the thousands of years of war in earths history,even a toddler can notice that the more technology we create, the more violent we become. You know what would make the world a better place? Taking you're heads out of the future and consatrating on the problems we have now. Thats the problem with you and the "Venus PRoject" it pisses me off,you guys cant take the realities of today and the problems it has. So you live "wondering" and never ACTING.
:53 superficial? skin color is a great correlate, as in the book THE COLOR OF CRIME, guess who is the worst? from 1976-2000 15,400+ more whites were killed by blacks than blacks were killed by whites in USA, not to mention the thousands of even numbers of cross racial killings... You can live in your unrealistic world and with it make inaccurate lifestyle management decisions that SHOULD be based more on the odds... another book to make peace with: RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR (online...
@hefeltbad I am sick of people who don't understand how current age bull crap is about to end. The system you live in is on a ledge and is completely incapable to adapt to global environmental changes. Remember the other civilizations that have fallen! They all over stretched themselves in times of crisis and were unable to adapt to the coming changes. The current system is build directly off of those systems. So logically you can deduce that our system is predetermined to fail!
@hefeltbad And this system isn't filled with garbage? Seriously you have your priorities out of kilter if you think how we treat other members of our species. We horde good and fear others because they will take your horded goods to horde their own. The system is built on me and what is mine. The next age will not be that way because we will have to learn cooperation benefits us all! Capitalism doesn't allow for true cooperation.
@tokensocialist i guess your screen name says it all..there is no explaining my views to a person such as yourself..youve volunteered your preconcieved ideas of views that you assume i have.
@hefeltbad actually you could tell me your ideas. I made this account back when I thought that socialism could exist. I just have failed to figure out how to change the name. Also just because I was a socialist do not assume that I don't have a open mind. I am no robot! I do not blindly follow.
Now please explain to me why you think this system of ours is better than the "new age" bullcrap.
Big ups man. I think another piece of important technology is that will play a vital role in the fruition of peace in our world is transportation. Technology like the maglev, which allow people to travel vast distances in short periods of time, will foster greater understanding of different cultures and peoples as we are able to visit places and learn things we never have before. This will eliminate superficial fear of the unknown and our superfluous differences which act as barriers
@djkhaless Very interesting, and you're right. Transportation will expose more people to the diversity of the world... helping to overcome prejudice and ignorance.
I am currently reading a book on nanotechnology, which might be related to 3D printers, not sure, but when micro-machines can assemble atoms into anything we want, it will have a similar effect. What do you, Mr. Peacenik sir, think about nanotech?
@ChrisPMadden Nanotech? Love it. 3D printers are related to nanotech... do a search for "Nanotech assembler" or click the link in this video's description. nanotech assemblers work at the atomic scale to create our-sized devices (or bigger or smaller). Amazing potentials!
World Peace will be achieved when humanity no longer exists, I think you're as mad as a bag of squirrels, but I'll listen to what you have to say, :-)
Love it! Especially the part about 3D printers! =D People are always complaining that in a "centralized" planning system like TVP, all products will be "standardized," and we will no longer have "money" to allow people to "individually decide on a variety of products based on how much money they are willing to give for it." I've been trying to explain to people that this is how the distribution centers would work, using raw materials and open-source design, rather than prefabricated products!
I hear all the time that renewable engery sorces are more expensive than fossil fuels. Can someone please give me non byased evidence for that. Because how in hell can say a coal power plant be cheaper over say 30 years than a same sized solar power plant???
@krasteller Renewable energy is more expensive than fossil fuels right now. But, as you probably know, the cost of oil and others having been rising. Solar, wind and other renewables have been declining in cost for decades, and as more companies get involved, the price will keep dropping.
This trend means that within a few years, solar and wind will be cheaper than coal, but we may forgo power plants and rely on personal power stations instead.
@hitssquad Renewable energy will be cheaper than fossil fuels, with some estimating this will happen by 2015 - search "Grid Parity" for pages and graphs to support this notion.
If solar panels were free, then it wouldn't matter how efficient they are. But the cost to power your home with solar would be the upfront cost for the rest of the solar system - battery bank, charge controller, inverter... $500-2000 depending on your power needs... maybe less as the peripherals drop in price.
"This system uses three pairs of Trace Engineering SW5548 inverters."
When they were still legal, SW5548's cost about $3-4,000 each. So, that would be $18-24,000, for just the inverters alone. That dwarfs your whole-system estimate of $500-2000.
@hitssquad the site you reference is for a 30kW system, about 3-4 times the size of what the average home needs. A 10kW inverter costs about $1000 if you shop around (import from China or ebay). 10kW charge controller - $750. Batteries, cables, etc cost a good chunk of change too.
But this is where we are today. In 5 years, the costs will drop dramatically... more companies are hopping on the Green energy bandwagon. Renewable energy is the future of energy production.
@Peacenik "a 30kW system [is] about 3-4 times the size of what the average home needs."
In January?
"A 10kW inverter costs about $1000"
What are the caveats of using a cheap-inverter vs. Xantrex, and why do people choose the latter?
"In 5 years, the costs will drop dramatically"
Why didn't they do so four decades ago when social-activists were claiming: "In 5 years, the costs will drop dramatically". Do you think it's odd that China - the 5-year-plan nation - is instead investing in coal?
@hitssquad 40 years ago technological progress wasn't happening at the rate it is today, so 5 years progress in 2010 is different from 5 years progress in 1970. It is not unrealistic to expect great things to happen within a short period of time.
Renewable energy solutions have consistently been getting cheaper and will surpass fossil fuels in terms of cost in a matter of years.
China may still invest in coal, but they are also investing heavily into green.
@Peacenik "wiki/ Renewable_energy_in_China" That article admits that even by 2020 China plans to only have 20GW of solar capacity installed. Meanwhile: en. wikipedia. org/wiki/ Coal_power_in_China "China's installed coal-based electrical capacity was 484 GW, or 77% of the total electrical capacity, in 2006." "Year Coal Production (Billion short tons) 2000 . 1.00 2001 . 1.11 2002 . 1.42 2003 . 1.61 2004 . 2.00 2005 . 2.19 2006 . 2.38 2007 . 2.62 2008 . 2.72 2009 . 2.96"
China plans on having 1600GW of electrical-capacity by 2020.
world-nuclear. org/info/inf63. html
Even if it does manage to install 20GW of solar by then, that would amount to only 1.25% of the total. Putting that 20GW-of-solar-by-2020 further into perspective, in only a single year, "2008, the country added 20.1 GWe of hydro capacity [and] 65.8 GWe coal-fired capacity".
china might really be the endgame - GAME, SET AND MATCH of our collective enviro apocalypse to come... i've heard a point that if all 1.3 billion or so chinese lived like americans we'd need a few more earths? maybe you can get the statistical estimation of this for us, you internet research hound you! Ya google maven you! ya super duper internet number cruncher
@glorp896 "i've heard a point that if all 1.3 billion or so chinese lived like americans we'd need a few more earths?"
Some parties have been making that claim.
Since society's current supply of 200 trillion tonnes of fission-fuel (40 trillion tonnes U + 160 trillion tonnes Th) would be enough to last, at society's current burn-rate of 16 terawatts, for 32.4 billion years, it would last for 6.8 quadrillion of us, at the current per-capita burn-rate, for 32.4 thousand years.
wow, thats quite the high ranging lofty set of figures you got there... so no PEAK OIL or PEAK COAL era? of course the whole enviro argument is pollution as to we needing more earths... i doubt we will ever run out of energy, we can always conserve, not have lawns, walk, use two wheeled transport, renewable, wind turbines (except near Kennedy property), get rid of pets, less babies, solar, and what i've seen recently as to cost per kilowatt is that NUKE is the cheapest, not coal
What about more recent trends? Is our environment getting dirtier or cleaner Shifts in the pollutions that attract people's attention complicate the discussion of trends in the cleanliness of our environment. As we have conquered the microorganism pollutions that were most dangerous to life and health - plague, smallpox, malaria, tuberculosis, cholera, typhoid, typhus, and the like - lesser pollutions have come to the fore, along with improvements in technical
"capacity to discern the pollutants. And some new pollutions have arisen.
Here is an example of dramatically increased pollution: The danger of an airplane falling on your house is infinitely greater now than it was a century ago. And the danger from artificial food additives is now many times greater than it was 1,000 years ago (though it seems to be a very tiny danger today). You may or may not worry about falling airplanes or food additives, but an alarmist can always find some new man-made
"danger that is now increasing. We must, however, resist the tendency to conclude from such evidence that our world is more polluted now than it was before the existence of airplanes or food additives.
How may we reasonably assess the overall trend of health-related pollutions? It would seem reasonable to go directly to health itself to measure how we are doing. The simplest and most accurate measure of health is length of life, summed up as the average life expectancy. To buttress that general
"measure, which includes the effects of curative medicine as well as preventive (pollution-fighting) efforts, we may look at the trends in the mortality rate.
After thousands of years of almost no improvement, in the past two hundred years in the rich countries there has been a long upward climb in life expectancy. And in the poor countries, life expectancy has increased extraordinarily sharply during the latter half of this century. [...]
"environmental pollution - that is, from infectious diseases such as pneumonia, tuberculosis, and gastroenteritis. (The extraordinary decline in the great killer tuberculosis may be seen in figure 16-1. The recent upturn is only a blip due to lax public-health policies.) Humanity's success in reducing these pollutions has been so great that young people today do not even know the names of the great killer pollutions of history - such as typhoid fever, bubonic plague, and cholera."
USA coal production in billion short tons for 2008 was 1.1 something and a bit less for 2007! i would NOT have guess china was SO MUCH WORSE! yipe!, but to equal USA as a per captia coal head country they would need to mine 4.5 or so?! which is about 4 times what we mined a few years ago relative and equal to same population scenarios... so there 2008 figure is about pretty close to 2 billion short tons short? i think we have the best coal fields/mountains or close to it...
@Peacenik you dumbass, Nikola Tesla came up with ways to distribute electricity for free but had his inventions for free, obviously you've never heard of Nikola Tesla, Stan Meyers another inventor came out with the Water Powered Car but he was killed, the renewable energy solutions that are being offered are simply not enough to replace our dependancy on oil and especially if this climate legislation is passed it will make poverty in the world way worse
tesla may be the greatest mind ever... i just wonder what our USA government seized upon his death, i'm sure they didn't send it ALL back to Belgrade...
WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR?, a story about GM scrapping its electric car many years ago - narrated by martin sheen... great stuff given a conspiratorial edge...and with BP gulf leak going on MOST APPROPRIATE today as a clarion call!
@Peacenik so world peace depends all on how we use technology, totally a materialistic mindset, which is whats wrong with the world today...You know Native Americans lived in peace and harmony with earth because they had things like wisdom and intuition, all this technology means nothing if people don't have intuition and wisdom
@tfrenn Several of the key factors to world peace center around how we use technology, correct. Another factor to world peace, like the one you mention, is to find peace and harmony within ourselves.
New technology will soon help us meet the basic needs of every human. When someone is no longer starving to death or living in the desperation of extreme poverty, it can be easier for them to find the peace within.
@Peacenik Well, you pretty much untied a Gordian knot there friend...People are walking around a clueless zombies.Fighting losing battles through politics,flawed economic systems and short wars.When the answer is so simple that you can even explain it to a child.Abundance of vital resources is the only key to the equilibrium of human mind.So, through science to reach the stars, and everything else should just be static. we are still animals, it seems the stars will have to wait
thats a silly over idealized summation of indians... they had much worse kill ratios than did whitey who took over, and yes, fellow indians are part of earth and nature... THE SCIENCE OF GOOD AND EVIL is a book that shows data explaining why tribal communities (those simple nature lovers the hippies idealize) are far more violent and more likely to KILL THEM ALL... intuition and wisdom? more like inability to improve their lives - check out some IQ scores at the richard lynn site...
@tfrenn Which is why it is absolutely vital to establish communication with as many people as possible so that such intuition and wisdom can be accessible to as many as possible. I'm certain even you can comprehend the wisdom in that, agreed?
You are a dreamer! Next thing you know you'll be saying you want to help needy people, love one another, brotherhood and selflessness and all those nice virtues.
Wait a minute, that's not so bad afterall. Carry on, it might be infectious.
@wtam69 I'm definitely a dreamer, but like you say, it is infectious. The world around us responds to our actions, so the more peace we create ourselves, the more our world will create peace. =D
"Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe." H. G. Wells
"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom." -Martin Luther King, Jr.
The technology is ushering more global control from the master programmers who have been controlling us from our conception. We are slaves of the intradimensional beings and this NWO agenda that they want us to fight against is part of the their plan for a new New World Order. Peace comes with a price, mind you I wish nothing more than peace, but not with their agenda.
@shadieqa1 no one particular religion over another will be the answer. But a new way of thinking that bridges all religion must take over. When all people everywhere have enough to eat, a comfortable shelter to live in, complete health care coverage, and a decent education, religious differences and ideological barriers will break down completely. We will only accomplish this with the intelligent use of technology.
@shadieqa1 one question why do I have to see the world through Islam to have peace??? I don't wan't to believe in Islam or any other religion for that matter but I am an advocate for peace!!! So why can't religios pweople just accept that?
Allah obviosly doesn't wan't me to have freedom or he would not send you to try to missioniuse me would he??
You are forgetting about the lack of money once the machines take the jobs. That is why money is going away too. Resource based economy. IT has started with OWS and yes you are correct. I will post my video I made in regards to this. You can Google it or look up the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement and other RBE groups out there.
SpiritLadyArtist 4 months ago
here is some technology for peace: HEMP!!! hemp=strong fiber for clothes, hemp+lime=hempcrete(stronger and lighter than concrete). hemp seeds are complete proteins. Hemp=renewable. hemp=abundance, abundance=no profit, no profit means ILLEGALIZE IT.
AtheistAnarchoRudi 4 months ago
this is all great, as long as the monetary system changes dramatically eg:changed for an RBE. otherwise, it's just business as usual.
deniceinspain 4 months ago
It seems there are more than 5000 unreleased patents, why not using them all for the benefit of the people, the animals, the plants & even de-polluting the Earth entirely ? Then we should all be provided with a descent life, but also will be thrown in a real new world, not the old junk trap those Luciferans Nazis cultists want us to into. All Tesla, Reich & countless others need to be revealed to the world NOW !
ThunderHorse1966 4 months ago
Nanotechnology also has great potential to bring peace since such small yet highly purposeful devices can be developed using fewer resources and with little to no monetary cost. We will see amazing advancements in all sciences from technology to healthcare. Let us not forget Carl Sagan when he said, "Exactly the same technology can be used for good and for evil."
Matic293 4 months ago
FACE PALM. LMAO!
propelzero2011 11 months ago
This jives 100% with what I've been thinking lately the only couple things I might want to add to your list of techs and ideas is this concept of livable food forests that I've been dwelling on. So imagine if everyone plants edible food gardens everywhere, food forest style, and then find a way to build tree houses among the canopy. Thats how I think I want to live! Gonna try to figure it out here on Vancouver Island I think. Thanks again for the inspirational videos!
BladeMcCool 1 year ago
Hehe, very good...
I had the same idea (inspiration) about 3D printers, though way more advanced...
RBMDragon 1 year ago
Where do the idiots get this dumbass idea that technology will bring world peace.
3-D printers? What is the fool smoking?
joskemom 1 year ago
@joskemom i know you wrote this 1 month ago but 3d-printers have been in use for roughly 3-5 years(known as rapid prototyping machines) now and atm even have the capability of printing some nonplastic materials and is being developed to include metals soon. Also the resolution in the average ones is up to 0.1 milimeter(yup 100 micrometers - the good ones can go up to 0.016mm) accuracy...
in addition mit made a 3d printer which prints FOOD! yep FOOD!
DesertHamster 1 year ago
@DesertHamster Hey hamster, have fun eating your printer food. The idea that hi tech toys will bring world peace is just plain stupid.
joskemom 1 year ago
@joskemom where did i make the claim that it would? i just said the tech is out there.
DesertHamster 1 year ago
@DesertHamster Ok desert, you never made the claim of world peace through tech, I was just voicing out against this absurd video that makes the claim. But I am still not going to eat printer food.
joskemom 1 year ago
lol check it out bro, watch all 4parts & tell me what u think :)
watch?v=QgfnGNbASU8
EBANKSSS 1 year ago
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so world peace depends all on how we use technology, totally a materialistic mindset, which is whats wrong with the world today...You know Native Americans lived in peace and harmony with earth because they had things like wisdom and intuition, all this technology means nothing if people don't have intuition and wisdom.
Amen
apocolypse11 1 year ago
World Peace? Have you people completely ignored the thousands of years of war in earths history,even a toddler can notice that the more technology we create, the more violent we become. You know what would make the world a better place? Taking you're heads out of the future and consatrating on the problems we have now. Thats the problem with you and the "Venus PRoject" it pisses me off,you guys cant take the realities of today and the problems it has. So you live "wondering" and never ACTING.
jpiv100 1 year ago
:53 superficial? skin color is a great correlate, as in the book THE COLOR OF CRIME, guess who is the worst? from 1976-2000 15,400+ more whites were killed by blacks than blacks were killed by whites in USA, not to mention the thousands of even numbers of cross racial killings... You can live in your unrealistic world and with it make inaccurate lifestyle management decisions that SHOULD be based more on the odds... another book to make peace with: RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR (online...
glorp896 1 year ago
man i am so sick of all this new age bullcrap.
hefeltbad 1 year ago
@hefeltbad expect to hear more about it as we move forward into a new age =D
Peacenik 1 year ago 10
@hefeltbad New technology is new age? lol
luvmaika 1 year ago
@hefeltbad I am sick of people who don't understand how current age bull crap is about to end. The system you live in is on a ledge and is completely incapable to adapt to global environmental changes. Remember the other civilizations that have fallen! They all over stretched themselves in times of crisis and were unable to adapt to the coming changes. The current system is build directly off of those systems. So logically you can deduce that our system is predetermined to fail!
tokensocialist 1 year ago
@tokensocialist of course it will fall..But the system that comes after it is the question..I certainly hope it isnt filled with this garbage
hefeltbad 1 year ago
@hefeltbad And this system isn't filled with garbage? Seriously you have your priorities out of kilter if you think how we treat other members of our species. We horde good and fear others because they will take your horded goods to horde their own. The system is built on me and what is mine. The next age will not be that way because we will have to learn cooperation benefits us all! Capitalism doesn't allow for true cooperation.
tokensocialist 1 year ago
@tokensocialist i guess your screen name says it all..there is no explaining my views to a person such as yourself..youve volunteered your preconcieved ideas of views that you assume i have.
hefeltbad 1 year ago
@hefeltbad actually you could tell me your ideas. I made this account back when I thought that socialism could exist. I just have failed to figure out how to change the name. Also just because I was a socialist do not assume that I don't have a open mind. I am no robot! I do not blindly follow.
Now please explain to me why you think this system of ours is better than the "new age" bullcrap.
tokensocialist 1 year ago
Big ups man. I think another piece of important technology is that will play a vital role in the fruition of peace in our world is transportation. Technology like the maglev, which allow people to travel vast distances in short periods of time, will foster greater understanding of different cultures and peoples as we are able to visit places and learn things we never have before. This will eliminate superficial fear of the unknown and our superfluous differences which act as barriers
djkhaless 1 year ago 3
@djkhaless Very interesting, and you're right. Transportation will expose more people to the diversity of the world... helping to overcome prejudice and ignorance.
Peacenik 1 year ago 3
I am currently reading a book on nanotechnology, which might be related to 3D printers, not sure, but when micro-machines can assemble atoms into anything we want, it will have a similar effect. What do you, Mr. Peacenik sir, think about nanotech?
ChrisPMadden 1 year ago
@ChrisPMadden Nanotech? Love it. 3D printers are related to nanotech... do a search for "Nanotech assembler" or click the link in this video's description. nanotech assemblers work at the atomic scale to create our-sized devices (or bigger or smaller). Amazing potentials!
Peacenik 1 year ago
World Peace will be achieved when humanity no longer exists, I think you're as mad as a bag of squirrels, but I'll listen to what you have to say, :-)
RevDevilin 1 year ago
@RevDevilin Well, I'm optimistic that we will be able to achieve peace without resorting to extinction =D
Peacenik 1 year ago
Don't forget about Evacuated Tube Transport! (aka mag-lev trains)
ThreeSC 1 year ago
Love it! Especially the part about 3D printers! =D People are always complaining that in a "centralized" planning system like TVP, all products will be "standardized," and we will no longer have "money" to allow people to "individually decide on a variety of products based on how much money they are willing to give for it." I've been trying to explain to people that this is how the distribution centers would work, using raw materials and open-source design, rather than prefabricated products!
TVPchallenge 1 year ago
peace be upon you
yes muslims are people too who like to live in a world of peace
thank you for your words
shadieqa1 1 year ago
Awesome.
LittleBlueBird 1 year ago
@LittleBlueBird Thanks!
Peacenik 1 year ago
I hear all the time that renewable engery sorces are more expensive than fossil fuels. Can someone please give me non byased evidence for that. Because how in hell can say a coal power plant be cheaper over say 30 years than a same sized solar power plant???
krasteller 1 year ago
@krasteller Renewable energy is more expensive than fossil fuels right now. But, as you probably know, the cost of oil and others having been rising. Solar, wind and other renewables have been declining in cost for decades, and as more companies get involved, the price will keep dropping.
This trend means that within a few years, solar and wind will be cheaper than coal, but we may forgo power plants and rely on personal power stations instead.
Peacenik 1 year ago
@Peacenik "the cost of oil and others having been rising."
Actually, the price of oil has been falling.
"the price [of solar] will keep dropping."
Since solar and wind are diffuse fuels, their prices don't drop as fast as those of other fuels.
"This trend means that within a few years, solar and wind will be cheaper than coal"
Please show your math.
"[or] personal power stations instead."
How much would solar-homepower cost if solar-panels were free and 100% efficient?
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad Renewable energy will be cheaper than fossil fuels, with some estimating this will happen by 2015 - search "Grid Parity" for pages and graphs to support this notion.
If solar panels were free, then it wouldn't matter how efficient they are. But the cost to power your home with solar would be the upfront cost for the rest of the solar system - battery bank, charge controller, inverter... $500-2000 depending on your power needs... maybe less as the peripherals drop in price.
Peacenik 1 year ago
@Peacenik "If solar panels were free, then it wouldn't matter how efficient they are."
...Because land, solar-access, interconnecting-cables and mounting-hardware are free?
"$500-2000 depending on your power needs"
Given that sufficient solar-homepower installations start at a half-million dollars...
google. com/search?q=solar+warrior+adelman
...you seem to be implying that better than 99% of current overnight-costs are accounted for by the solar-panels alone. Are you sure about that?
hitssquad 1 year ago
@Peacenik
w w w. solarwarrior. com/gallery. html
"This system uses three pairs of Trace Engineering SW5548 inverters."
When they were still legal, SW5548's cost about $3-4,000 each. So, that would be $18-24,000, for just the inverters alone. That dwarfs your whole-system estimate of $500-2000.
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad the site you reference is for a 30kW system, about 3-4 times the size of what the average home needs. A 10kW inverter costs about $1000 if you shop around (import from China or ebay). 10kW charge controller - $750. Batteries, cables, etc cost a good chunk of change too.
But this is where we are today. In 5 years, the costs will drop dramatically... more companies are hopping on the Green energy bandwagon. Renewable energy is the future of energy production.
Peacenik 1 year ago
@Peacenik "a 30kW system [is] about 3-4 times the size of what the average home needs."
In January?
"A 10kW inverter costs about $1000"
What are the caveats of using a cheap-inverter vs. Xantrex, and why do people choose the latter?
"In 5 years, the costs will drop dramatically"
Why didn't they do so four decades ago when social-activists were claiming: "In 5 years, the costs will drop dramatically". Do you think it's odd that China - the 5-year-plan nation - is instead investing in coal?
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad 40 years ago technological progress wasn't happening at the rate it is today, so 5 years progress in 2010 is different from 5 years progress in 1970. It is not unrealistic to expect great things to happen within a short period of time.
Renewable energy solutions have consistently been getting cheaper and will surpass fossil fuels in terms of cost in a matter of years.
China may still invest in coal, but they are also investing heavily into green.
wiki/ Renewable_energy_in_China
Peacenik 1 year ago
hitssquad 1 year ago
@Peacenik
China plans on having 1600GW of electrical-capacity by 2020.
world-nuclear. org/info/inf63. html
Even if it does manage to install 20GW of solar by then, that would amount to only 1.25% of the total. Putting that 20GW-of-solar-by-2020 further into perspective, in only a single year, "2008, the country added 20.1 GWe of hydro capacity [and] 65.8 GWe coal-fired capacity".
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad
china might really be the endgame - GAME, SET AND MATCH of our collective enviro apocalypse to come... i've heard a point that if all 1.3 billion or so chinese lived like americans we'd need a few more earths? maybe you can get the statistical estimation of this for us, you internet research hound you! Ya google maven you! ya super duper internet number cruncher
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 "i've heard a point that if all 1.3 billion or so chinese lived like americans we'd need a few more earths?"
Some parties have been making that claim.
Since society's current supply of 200 trillion tonnes of fission-fuel (40 trillion tonnes U + 160 trillion tonnes Th) would be enough to last, at society's current burn-rate of 16 terawatts, for 32.4 billion years, it would last for 6.8 quadrillion of us, at the current per-capita burn-rate, for 32.4 thousand years.
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad
wow, thats quite the high ranging lofty set of figures you got there... so no PEAK OIL or PEAK COAL era? of course the whole enviro argument is pollution as to we needing more earths... i doubt we will ever run out of energy, we can always conserve, not have lawns, walk, use two wheeled transport, renewable, wind turbines (except near Kennedy property), get rid of pets, less babies, solar, and what i've seen recently as to cost per kilowatt is that NUKE is the cheapest, not coal
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 "the whole enviro argument is pollution"
People use energy to clean their environments. Pollution has been going down, over the course of human history:
juliansimon. com/writings/Ultimate_Resource
"Chapter 15
The Peculiar Theory Of Pollution
Chapter 16
Whither The History Of Pollution?
Chapter 17
Pollution Today: Specific Trends And Issues"
"From [...] pollution as measured by life expectancy - pollution has been declining since the beginning of the species."
hitssquad 1 year ago
"Life Expectancy and Pollution
What about more recent trends? Is our environment getting dirtier or cleaner Shifts in the pollutions that attract people's attention complicate the discussion of trends in the cleanliness of our environment. As we have conquered the microorganism pollutions that were most dangerous to life and health - plague, smallpox, malaria, tuberculosis, cholera, typhoid, typhus, and the like - lesser pollutions have come to the fore, along with improvements in technical
hitssquad 1 year ago
"capacity to discern the pollutants. And some new pollutions have arisen.
Here is an example of dramatically increased pollution: The danger of an airplane falling on your house is infinitely greater now than it was a century ago. And the danger from artificial food additives is now many times greater than it was 1,000 years ago (though it seems to be a very tiny danger today). You may or may not worry about falling airplanes or food additives, but an alarmist can always find some new man-made
hitssquad 1 year ago
"danger that is now increasing. We must, however, resist the tendency to conclude from such evidence that our world is more polluted now than it was before the existence of airplanes or food additives.
How may we reasonably assess the overall trend of health-related pollutions? It would seem reasonable to go directly to health itself to measure how we are doing. The simplest and most accurate measure of health is length of life, summed up as the average life expectancy. To buttress that general
hitssquad 1 year ago
"measure, which includes the effects of curative medicine as well as preventive (pollution-fighting) efforts, we may look at the trends in the mortality rate.
After thousands of years of almost no improvement, in the past two hundred years in the rich countries there has been a long upward climb in life expectancy. And in the poor countries, life expectancy has increased extraordinarily sharply during the latter half of this century. [...]
A century ago, most people in the U.S. died of
hitssquad 1 year ago
"environmental pollution - that is, from infectious diseases such as pneumonia, tuberculosis, and gastroenteritis. (The extraordinary decline in the great killer tuberculosis may be seen in figure 16-1. The recent upturn is only a blip due to lax public-health policies.) Humanity's success in reducing these pollutions has been so great that young people today do not even know the names of the great killer pollutions of history - such as typhoid fever, bubonic plague, and cholera."
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad
USA coal production in billion short tons for 2008 was 1.1 something and a bit less for 2007! i would NOT have guess china was SO MUCH WORSE! yipe!, but to equal USA as a per captia coal head country they would need to mine 4.5 or so?! which is about 4 times what we mined a few years ago relative and equal to same population scenarios... so there 2008 figure is about pretty close to 2 billion short tons short? i think we have the best coal fields/mountains or close to it...
glorp896 1 year ago
@Peacenik you dumbass, Nikola Tesla came up with ways to distribute electricity for free but had his inventions for free, obviously you've never heard of Nikola Tesla, Stan Meyers another inventor came out with the Water Powered Car but he was killed, the renewable energy solutions that are being offered are simply not enough to replace our dependancy on oil and especially if this climate legislation is passed it will make poverty in the world way worse
tfrenn 1 year ago
@tfrenn
tesla may be the greatest mind ever... i just wonder what our USA government seized upon his death, i'm sure they didn't send it ALL back to Belgrade...
WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR?, a story about GM scrapping its electric car many years ago - narrated by martin sheen... great stuff given a conspiratorial edge...and with BP gulf leak going on MOST APPROPRIATE today as a clarion call!
glorp896 1 year ago
@Peacenik so world peace depends all on how we use technology, totally a materialistic mindset, which is whats wrong with the world today...You know Native Americans lived in peace and harmony with earth because they had things like wisdom and intuition, all this technology means nothing if people don't have intuition and wisdom
tfrenn 1 year ago 5
@tfrenn Several of the key factors to world peace center around how we use technology, correct. Another factor to world peace, like the one you mention, is to find peace and harmony within ourselves.
New technology will soon help us meet the basic needs of every human. When someone is no longer starving to death or living in the desperation of extreme poverty, it can be easier for them to find the peace within.
Peacenik 1 year ago
@Peacenik Well, you pretty much untied a Gordian knot there friend...People are walking around a clueless zombies.Fighting losing battles through politics,flawed economic systems and short wars.When the answer is so simple that you can even explain it to a child.Abundance of vital resources is the only key to the equilibrium of human mind.So, through science to reach the stars, and everything else should just be static. we are still animals, it seems the stars will have to wait
TitoIsTheGreatest 1 year ago
@tfrenn
thats a silly over idealized summation of indians... they had much worse kill ratios than did whitey who took over, and yes, fellow indians are part of earth and nature... THE SCIENCE OF GOOD AND EVIL is a book that shows data explaining why tribal communities (those simple nature lovers the hippies idealize) are far more violent and more likely to KILL THEM ALL... intuition and wisdom? more like inability to improve their lives - check out some IQ scores at the richard lynn site...
glorp896 1 year ago
@tfrenn Which is why it is absolutely vital to establish communication with as many people as possible so that such intuition and wisdom can be accessible to as many as possible. I'm certain even you can comprehend the wisdom in that, agreed?
mdlittle5466 4 months ago
You are a dreamer! Next thing you know you'll be saying you want to help needy people, love one another, brotherhood and selflessness and all those nice virtues.
Wait a minute, that's not so bad afterall. Carry on, it might be infectious.
wtam69 1 year ago
@wtam69 I'm definitely a dreamer, but like you say, it is infectious. The world around us responds to our actions, so the more peace we create ourselves, the more our world will create peace. =D
Peacenik 1 year ago
Great message. I do think world peace is possible. The problem with the internet is it can be a tool for propaganda. Peace,,,,
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
very cool, I really hope peace is something we can actually obtain
biged2226 1 year ago
I never heard of such an idea as a 3-d printer. I thought ink was expensive, wait till we have to buy plastics and such for our printers lol
RayTutajjr 1 year ago
"Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe." H. G. Wells
"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom." -Martin Luther King, Jr.
silversobe 1 year ago
The technology is ushering more global control from the master programmers who have been controlling us from our conception. We are slaves of the intradimensional beings and this NWO agenda that they want us to fight against is part of the their plan for a new New World Order. Peace comes with a price, mind you I wish nothing more than peace, but not with their agenda.
markangeloc 1 year ago
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shadieqa1 1 year ago
@shadieqa1 no one particular religion over another will be the answer. But a new way of thinking that bridges all religion must take over. When all people everywhere have enough to eat, a comfortable shelter to live in, complete health care coverage, and a decent education, religious differences and ideological barriers will break down completely. We will only accomplish this with the intelligent use of technology.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
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shadieqa1 1 year ago
@shadieqa1 peace be upon you too. But Islam is an ancient way of thinking and your words make no sense to me.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
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shadieqa1 1 year ago
@shadieqa1 one question why do I have to see the world through Islam to have peace??? I don't wan't to believe in Islam or any other religion for that matter but I am an advocate for peace!!! So why can't religios pweople just accept that?
Allah obviosly doesn't wan't me to have freedom or he would not send you to try to missioniuse me would he??
krasteller 1 year ago
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shadieqa1 1 year ago