Philip Zimbardo- The Lucifer Effect- Part 2

[cygil1]

I've always thought Dr Z. looks a lot like lucifer himself.

[Mrgettygirl]

The fact that such scenarios and countless others like them actually exist, shows how easily and quickly a person's alliance in life can change, and how in the end, what really makes a person good or evil are their actions.

[catestuff]

can't believe how cruelly the prisoners were treated! :(

[psipsychologytutor]

This is great info to extend understanding of the Stanford Prison Experiment.

[Paigedarage]

It hurts to watch this video; to see these pictures.

[music4life829]

This guy is such a genius. I'm 14 and he makes all of this so interesting to me and it makes so much sense.

[Pfsif]

Dr. Z still thinks people are good, but power only exposes how wicked people can be. I see "good" people become sadistic in the work place all the time, just because they have power and advantage over others. Some of the workplace shooting can be explained this way.

[eslubin]

how about ACORN

[HIMYNAMEISEVAN]

The image at 7:19, what happened to the man? is he dead? why is he that color?

[chenni2x]

@HIMYNAMEISEVAN

his dead and roting

[bertdockx]

I don't really get the pretty sudden transition from the pictures of torture (that we know from the media) to the images of people who where shot (?) in the head. I mean, i never heard of people being executed at Abu Ghraib. (not that it would be unthinkable for it to have happened,) or is it explained later on maybe?

[Hrko1992]

this guy is interesting lol

[BrianLeexx]

Power is the ability to create change.

[EveryTongueShallTell]

@BrianLeexx Changing power is the ability to create.

[Kelekolio]

I think it is a losing proposition to try and find a consistent theme to Hitler's philosophy regarding religion or secularism - he believed in destroying whatever was not about his own self image and it had both secular and religious aspects at that time. Certain forms of Marxism would have been the only real atheistic philosophy with much of a public following ... that and objectivism.

Again, neither religion nor secularism hold all virtue or all evil and neither created Hitler.

[templarx122]

@Kelekolio Read Friedrich Nietzsche and his relation to nazism.

[Kelekolio]

Now we know who watches Glenn "I have a 6th grade view of reality" Beck.

[Kelekolio]

Secular humanism is not the problem anymore than Christianity is the problem. Simple cliche's are only important to simple minds.

Humans are both good and evil. I'm Christian, Chuichupahichi, and I don't believe you need to believe in the Judeo-Christian God to live a good life and though you might not to get to Heaven - who knows? - good people will still do good and bad people will do bad.

BTW, Chui, both the Monarchy and the American Revolutionaries were both largely Christians!

[BaileysBeads]

@Kelekolio Name one atrocity committed in the name of secular humanism.

[templarx122]

@BaileysBeads The holocaust. ie eugenics and ethnic supremacy based on social darwinism. The betterment of humanity based on pseudo-scientific and secular theory.

[BaileysBeads]

@templarx122 for starters Hitler got his antisemetic cues from the Bible, Martin Luther to be more exact. And secondly, this has nothing to do with secular humanism.

Again, one atrocity in the name of secular humanism.

[Kelekolio]

@BaileysBeads First of all, "secular humanism" as a label has not been the basis for many regimes or for many centuries in the same way that religions have been. I have no problem with secular humanism, only simplistic views of it by the Bill O'Reilly's of the world AND some secular humanists.

Secular humanists are not immune to atrocities. You may not like Stalin or consider him a sec. humanist, but he was expressly anti-religion and instigated many atrocities. And Hitler wasn't religious.

[BaileysBeads]

@Kelekolio Yeah, Secular Humanism hasn't really had much chances to prove itself be it a functioning or disfunctioning life-view.

I agree that Stalin was pretty much an antitheist, Hitler however, was deeply religious, also very anti-atheists. Mein Kampf was full of god and the Bible.

[templarx122]

@BaileysBeads Mein Kampf has little to discuss with religion, it is about his perverse political theory. Any mention of religion (which is little at that) was nothing more as political propaganda to snare the largely catholic population of Germany.

If you are not satisfied with hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Nero, Caligula, Attila the Hun, Maximilien Robespierre, Idi Amin Dada, Pinochet, Pol Pot are all secular leaders who committed atrocities based on secular ideology. I can list hundreds more.

[templarx122]

@BaileysBeads "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." - Hitler

Heiden, Konrad (1935). A History of National Socialism, p. 100, A.A. Knopf

"the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" - Hitler Youth Mandate

SHARKEY 'How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity', New York Times, 13 January 2002

NOT RELIGIOUS.

[BaileysBeads]

@templarx122 "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. "

- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

[templarx122]

@BaileysBeads its called propaganda. As you can see, the speech was in 1933 when Hitler was still attempting to gain power. Its called propaganda. His actions afterwards suggest something different. Learn history.

[BaileysBeads]

@templarx122 Propaganda isn't necessarily false. Besides, Hitler would never have gained so much support if it weren't for the Catholic church backing him up, or just Christianity as a whole handing him a whole culture of anti-antisemitism to get his cues from.

[templarx122]

@BaileysBeads yes by definition propaganda is false. It's a gross exaggeration of the truth to gain popular support. Regardless of church support (irrelevant to the argument) the fact is the nazi party was a secular institution motivated by ethnic purity, indivisible support to the furor and country (Ie SECULAR). It was a perversion of Psudo-Darwinism, not christianity or christian culture, which motivated the nazis. Do you understand the basic difference between ethnicity and religion? fool.

[BaileysBeads]

@templarx122 Look it up, propaganda can be 100% true. The Nazi party wasn't secular at all, the Waffen SS had 'Got mitt uns' written on their belt buckles. The antisemitism is all taken from Christianity, especially the works of Martin Luther.

[templarx122]

@BaileysBeads not true. Not at all, it was based on Eugenics and social darwinism. He wanted to ethnically remove them as they were genetically inferior to the 'aryan' race, which has absolutely no basis in religious doctrine but psudo-scientific theory. You obviously have no knowledge of this subject at all.

If not I suggest you look up Stalin's purges. An atheist secular ideology which killed millions of soviet citizens in the name of creating a better society.

[Kelekolio]

@templarx122 We have to be honest that the holocaust was a sick mixture of social darwinism and religion-like, cult fanaticism and anti-semitism, which has a deep roots in the Christian history of Europe. It was both secularism and mysticism. But it wasn't humanist nor particularly religious.

[templarx122]

@Kelekolio There is no basis in Hitlers ideology in Christianity. In addition Christian anti-semitism was opposed to THE RELIGION of Jews. Hitler was against the ETHNICITY of jews themselves. These are two distinct ideas, one was religious and one was a secular. You cannot mesh the two together as they were very different. Humanism deals with the betterment of Humanity, in Hitlers perspective to make humanity better, you remove the weakest ethnicity. Again NOTHING to do with religion.

[philipcy]

about administrative evil; you are forgetting the key .. the coorporations are run by people... and they make the decisions; dont hate the tool they use

[suutari13]

They knew what was going on in Abu Ghraib.

[mdandrea39]

I grew up in a Ghetto in Brooklyn, NYC in the 50s and 60s. The key to going forward for me is to make "good" hip, sexy, profitable, just , and causes happiness. We need examples from all walks of life and we need to celebrate these acts of heroism. Folks "it is hip to be square." Good is cool. What is good? The NYC Subway hero is something new and fresh. No more anti hero heroes!

[AnonOrange]

This type of incarceration is happening at a church is several places. This so-called church is Scientology. Google "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) Gold Base Gilman Hot Springs human rights abuses.

[Gardeniaqueen]

p.s. the Constitution has 'Freedom of Religion' written into it for a reason (like, say, 'witch-burning' which these so-called fake Christians practiced back then and would surely still be practicing today if they could, make no mistake) Why aren't you guys content enough with your beliefs to be confident in them w/o having to force them onto others? That's the crux of my observation. No indoctrination here. Look in the mirror for that Mr. Chuchu...

[Chuichupachichi]

@Gardeniaqueen

The Constitution amended freedom "for" religion, not freedom "from" religion. That's not to say that individuals can't live apart from religion. But that the government doesn't have to be sterilized of religious individuals as is mistakenly believed today by many. Also, it's silly to believe that the founders intended it to mean that there can be nothing from the government or it's individual officials that can be seen as encouragement or even promotion of religion

[Chuichupachichi]

Notice that the 1st amendment disallows only Congress. Thats because only Congress is authorized to legislate. Thus the prohibition is "shall make no LAW". The way that intolerant haters are seeing it today is far removed from the 1st. Students are far from being Congress & for them to read their Bibles in school or speak of their faith in a graduation speech is far from making law. In fact, even if a Congressman wanted to say to society that he thinks they should go to church, he can because

[Chuichupachichi]

thats not making law either. Thats already true to the 1st. But it gets even better. "Congress shall make no law respecting (regarding) the establishment of religion". When you consider that the second half to that sentence is "nor prohibit the practice thereof". Then it makes much more sense to recognize that they're saying that when the people are establishing religion, Congress shall make no law regarding that matter. They foresaw that bad future Congressmen could have gotten sneaky & allowed

[Chuichupachichi]

the establishment of religion because the 1st requires it. But then figured out ways to prohibit the practice thereof. The second half after the comma, not period, is a extension of the first half. Today, the intolerant haters are believing that the Constitution mandates the elimination of religion from all things public. The 1st is to protect the people from having the government do precisely that. How silly to think that the founders said that we were endowed by the creator with the right to

[Chuichupachichi]

eliminate all traces of the creator from the public square even if there are many who want him there. Madison would argue with the rest of the men from the Constitutional Convention, saying that they all, collectively were responsible for the Constitution. Because they would all say Madison did it. He was from Virginia where most people from his class would go to William & Mary College. However, Madison instead went to New Jersey & studied under John Witherspoon. Find out who was that man!

[donotgettmeseriously]

Are people god or they just behave like they are god?

[Chuichupachichi]

"Administrative Evil" - American society has come to despise Christianity. Marginalizing it to within limits of being mentioned only in private homes & churches. Even then, it's being attempted to legislate hate speech that would disallow Christianity's unregulated practice within it's own churches, such is the complete intolerance for it. Thus, even greater intolerance within any public place, including the workplace

[Gardeniaqueen]

@Chuichupachichi (gee, I wonder why.....)

[Chuichupachichi]

Don't wonder... instead, why don't you tell me with specification? You list some reasons that explain why such attitudes are justified or correct and I'll identify & explain where your delusion hides from you

Already, I see the "queenie" one. No doubt, "entitlement" will shine through, bright & clear

I'll be waiting!

[Gardeniaqueen]

o.k.......for starters, condescending one, how tolerant are most 'Christians' nowadays of others who have different religions, hmmm? Then complain some more about how others are intolerant of 'Christians'! Didn't Jesus say 'Love your neighbor as your brother but only if they're a Christian'? Oops, that was some crazy 'Christian' misquoting the original saying......nevertheless it's what I hear over and over from you guys who claim to love Jesus teachings....

[Chuichupachichi]

@Gardeniaqueen,

Oh, the good ol "intolerant" attribution. OK, I promised I'd identify & explain your delusion to you... the poor victim of Christian intolerance

Well, hopefully I won't be required to come back later simply to refute any revisionists brainwashing you might have been victimized with regarding early American history. But since the fact of the matter is that the country originally consisted of a predominantly (virtually all) Christian population. As can be recognized from the fact

[Gardeniaqueen]

@chuchupocici the FACT is that Native Americans occupied this country during 'early American history' b4 so-called 'Christians' came over and poisoned them all with toxic blankets and outright murder. Again I ask, 'Who would Jesus poison/murder/plunder??' And you STILL did not explain to me how I am wrong in assessing your intolerance. ARE YOU tolerant of, say, Buddhists?Hindus? Jews?Agnostics? Answer the question and quit trying to impress me with your vocabulary. Jesus was not arrogant like u!

[Chuichupachichi]

@Gardeniaqueen

So those are the facts, huh? I doubt that giving you the facts will do any good. Since it's obvious that your method of determining what are the facts, is simply whatever is consistent with your hatred. For you, the facts are predetermined

Any reasonable mind could easily discern that the picture you paint is ridiculously tainted & skewed. While my picture is consistent with undeniable facts. Example - People like you never fail to recognize that the early Americans were

[Chuichupachichi]

Christians when you talk about & heavily distort things regarding Indians, New England Clam Baked Witches, slavery etc. However, when the topic is liberty, the Constitution, your rights, US prosperity...suddenly the early Americans, especially the founders, were anything but Christians

"came & poisoned w/toxic blankets"?

I don't know what toxins you've been smoking, but they've blanketed your brains in the darkness of willful disinformation by way of hatred. They "came" & made friends w/Indians

[Chuichupachichi]

I know that these days the atheist/secular schools like to teach that Thanksgiving was the pilgrims giving thanks to God for providing many red savage targets to shoot at or something along those lines. But isn't it amazing that the history that had been recorded since those days, is "incorrect". Yet, somehow the history presented by those living furthest from that time, is right on the mark... please, don't be such a gullible child of mind

[Chuichupachichi]

{explain to me how I am wrong in assessing your intolerance}

This started with you replying to my posts in which I spoke of the intolerance towards Christianity. Yet, from that you determined that I'm the intolerant one. You want explanation? From the fact that I just wrote above, its obvious that for you, as with many other indoctrinated haters... Christianity automatically means intolerant. Thus, from your brainwashed view, arises your unjustified intolerance of Christians

[Chuichupachichi]

Being given you your "rights" is even better than being merely tolerated

Consider the fact that the Continental Congress from during the Revolutionary War was nicknamed the "Bible Congress". Along with the fact that when considering the founding documents that make it all possible, the very beginning of the first document is the beginning because that is literally where the whole entire American thing begins. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men were

[Chuichupachichi]

CREATED equal and were endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights"

Now take a wild guess as to what were the people who thought enough of your rights that they made their protection the most important law of the land

Just because a bunch of NWO Loserferians have lead you to believe that this country wasn't founded by Christians, doesn't automatically make it true

[wugglestehgnome]

@Chuichupachichi created doesnt refer to christianity. it refers to a ambiguous deity.

most of the founding fathers were more secular then religious. being a deist at the time was a very secular thing. they were thinkers. and many of them spoke outwardly against organized religion

[Chuichupachichi]

@wugglestehgnome

Oh certainly! The 3 most often claimed to be Deists were Jefferson, Franklin & Paine. When Congress commissioned Jefferson & Franklin to design the Great Seal of the U.S., both of them suggested a depiction of God's pillar of fire leading Moses & the Israelites across the Red Sea while Pharaoh & his army were overcome by the sea. I guess pillars of fire & parted seas are not considered God involving himself with the affairs of man??? Its time you get your education. The elected

[Chuichupachichi]

politicians are merely the puppets of the Corporate Oligarchy. The Corporations provide gold to the universities. Thus, they make the golden rules. The Oligarchy knows that intelligent people are difficult to tyrannize & Christians are even more difficult...since they are who founded the U.S. Thats why the universities are now the fabrication facilities of "Cretins Manufacturing Corp." One way in which they make a dummy out of you is by revising American history. Amongst the educated ignoramuses

[Chuichupachichi]

"secular minded U.S. founders" is an extremely popular idiocy. Not to mention, "ancestral bacterial forebears". Guess what? The American Revolution's battle cry was "rebellion to tyrants, is obedience to God". The Continental Congress was nicknamed "The Bible Congress". Guess what else? After winning, the colonists went around giving credit to "the hand of providence" aka God. Wake up already, if it were not for Christianity, there never would have been an American Revolution

[Chuichupachichi]

@wugglestehgnome

At the root of Materialism, Atheism, Anti-Christianity etc. is Secular Humanism. Humanist doctrine says that man is inherently good. You can already see how "The Lucifer Effect" is completely saturated with Humanism. But as far back as we know, man has always murdered, robbed, tyrannized, lied, warred & has never rested from these practices. "inherently good" is sounding more & more brilliant, isn't it? The Psychological studies modeled after the Stanford prison that Zimbardo

[Chuichupachichi]

mentioned, have all shockingly shown most humans to be willing to do "evil". However, "shocked" are only the humanists. Its what happens when your slapped in the face with a cold shot of reality, while deluded. Yet, as a humanist, Zimbardo still can't bring himself to the realization of the loud & obvious evidence produced by the studies... man is not inherently good. Leave it to Psychology, that even when they conduct all the right studies, they still make all the wrong interpretations! fools

[Chuichupachichi]

that the people were represented by the Continental "Bible Congress" as they were nicknamed. Is why it stands to reason that for the many years during which Christians were by far, the majority, all the others (gays, atheists etc.) were such a insignificantly small minority that percentage wise they'd most likely amount to 0 as individual groups

Thus, for those groups to have grown to todays numbers & to have obtained their current levels of political power, can be "only" because they were

[Chuichupachichi]

"tolerated"... by the Christian vast majority. However, the only reason why you & I are even having this modernly repeated, now common debate is because the tolerated have, upon becoming significantly numerous, are proving to be intolerant of those who tolerated them

To this day there's many places around the world that when USA is mentioned to the people there, due to the many missionaries from the 1800's & early 1900's, they still respond by saying, "oh, you mean the Christian country?"

[Chuichupachichi]

Interesting how those around the world who received their "neighbors love", never refer to the US as the "atheist country". However, there are many in the world who still remember their loved one's, 20th century, adamantly atheist, Marxist murderers

I promised you I would help you obtain clarity. It's useful for repelling your deceitfully indoctrinating, true enemies

[Chuichupachichi]

The scriptures reveal that under all circumstances, including in one's business, should it's moral codes be applied. It's practitioners are usually self policing. But simply a mere encouraging or proposal outside of the home is taken as an attempt to forcibly mandate it's practice. Society has chosen it's personally codeless, secularist "Administrative Evil"

[HeavensHelp1]

I don't remember reading in the bible about God wanting Satan to bow down to Adam. It seems that I read that Satan wanted to be like God, and that was his undoing.

[Rhademanthus]

It's taken as canon in the Quran, sourcing it from earlier Biblical texts. So who knows.

[timjeezyy]

I just watched a LIVE but condensed version of this at the 2009 APA convention in Toronto. It was awesome, great job Dr. Zimbardo

[LoveYourFun]

haha, i appreciate the coughing after the introduction of the secretary of defense.

[NazChow]

where are the captions??

[poopybambam]

In your butt.