Judging by the power losses inherent in the transistor, coil flux losses, and wiring, it would need to be able to run for AT LEAST a month without changing the battery.
So to all the builders : with optimum batteries, how long does the circuit work for?
we are all free to try and succeed at this over unity but when we succeed we are called con jobs sounds like a circular mind set of oppression now yes it does work their are a few others that also work but its big money that holds us back aka shadow gov
try to prove this to a university who gets lots of money from the same corporations stand to lose even more if this gets out
go learn something about cooperate greed then come back and take a second look
It's the little spinning bit that misleads people. It spins so people think power is being generated. The system takes some of the potential energy from the battery converts it to kinetic energy which is then stored in the flywheel and then converted back to electrical impulses that are sent back to the battery. Fun. But, it is a closed system. No energy is being taken out, save for friction and electrical losses (heat). This could run forever and without a load, prove nothing.
With all these 'Free Energy' generators here on Youtube, one wonders why not any of these people has stared an energy company bij himself and get rich. Aah, they are being threathened by the energy companies? Well if this really existed the energy companies wld already produce this free nergy and make us pay for it anyway. Well who knows, maybe what looks like a coal, gass or nuclear energy plant, might in fact house a Bedini generator, but they are not telling us. Now where is my aluminum hat?
Citation: "As the magnet approaches the coil, it induces a current in the trigger coil...." (and current flows over diode to charge separate battery)
And this cause transfer of kinetic energy from the rotating wheel to the circuit (and battery). At this point kinetic energy of the wheel decreases.
As the magnet passes the coil, circuit drain energy from the battery in order to "kick" that magnet. This energy from the battery is then transfered back to rotational kinetic energy.
@WXIIIR i've seen a few videos that have done it, in fact one guy even managed to escape the power company killing him, and than made a business on this and did a seminar that was free for people like you. was kinda set up like lego's so the so-called scientists could mix match and experiment easily. here i'll see if i can find the vid. watch?v=7wIjNJH0Cpw there it is theres proof, and if that doesn't do it than that sucks because the seminar has been over for a while now
When I was a kid I connected a smal coil with a 1,5 Volt battery, then I disconnected it - it gave me a 90 Volt spike... My father told me, that producing 90 volts spikes from 1,5 volts doesn't make it a free energy device, because energy is voltage multiplied by ampers and time. PS: I called my device electric chair, I think I should have patented it *lol*
@brotherboy77 Yes it really works. No it's not over unity. I used a 12 volt relay with the N/C contact in series with the coil going to the positve of a 12 volt car battery & the negative of the battery going to the other end of the relay.. It's called a buzzer. I connected a 200 V 22uF electrolytic capacitor backwards like the circuit above across the anode end of the diode & the positive end of the coil. It charges the capacitor to 100V in 2 seconds. & 200 volts in 15 seconds.
@urbex2007 Voltage is only one part of the power equation. Power = volts * amps. Getting a higher voltage from a lower voltage source is nothing new. Back emf can be many many many times higher than the voltage that initially energized the coil. Since there can be a bit of power stored in that field, the momentary surge can be quite impressive, just ask anyone who had to repair the results, but the total power stored in that coil cannot be greater than what was put in there to begin with.
from a quantum phys. point of view the virtual connection prim.batt--sec.batt. is equivalent to an entanglement or superposition of both. Theory says, that there is an unlimited Nr of correlated states between entangled entities. I called these states parallel universes according to David Deutschs explaination of correlations at a distance in quantum physics. This was one of Einsteins rare failures. He believed in determinism only.
The quantum probability wave is capable of sending the prim. bat energy to an unlimited number of parallel universes, where prim. batt is virtually connected to sec. batt. while in our world both batts are separated and prim.batt cant unload. Vice versa some energy spikes flash back to our universe and load sec. batt.
So concretely : the neon bulb establishes a virtual (!) circuit from prim. batt to sec. batt.
The primary batt. works as an energy -potential-blueprint. This means that the quantum fluxpath needs an information source, which doesnt have to unload in order to load the second. batt. because the current gap is filled by the quantum flux. . THis is the moment where energy is created from virtually nothing. You can modify this design by removing the moving parts. Essential of course are coils, where the q-flux can enter from hypersp. to 3-dim reality
a bedini as shown has a crucial element on board: the neon bulb, which randomizes the on-off cycle. So, if you want to add overunity you have to add a random delay to the coils, electronically with a white noise circuit or old school bedini like with the flickering bulb. The magic behind random is, that you create a hyperdimensional quantum probability wave flux and draw energy from this bizarre realm. You can upscale this principle to an arbitrary degree.
Please see Wikipedia, "blocking oscillator" to understand how a self starting blocking oscillator works.
The difference between the Wikipedia article and how most people are wiring the Bedini circuit is that the base drive coil is grounded and not connected to the supply voltage. This is another form of blocking oscillator.
Your explanation is close but not completely technically correct. The main point is that the magnet does not cause the base current to stop flowing.
And? So you take X amount of energy from a battery, run a motor, dump energy from the motor back into a circuit, then charge the battery with the energy in the flyback circuit, to the tune of X- all the losses.
It's short bus 'special'.
Any ignorant can pretend anything. What they can't do is start with a battery and charge anything more than what the battery had.
@ModelLights Yes and there's some crackpots running around lately claiming the earth is round!
My question is this, why is it that all you who 'know better' waste your time watching free energy videos in the first place? And then waste even more time writing responses? Do you get off on the I'm right and you're stupid concept? If you know so much better, then you are kinda stupid to waste your time here, no?
@78chuck So... what motivates you to watch these free energy videos? Have you tried to put anything here into practice or are you just watching some pretty moving objects and indulging in bit of fantasy... perhaps picking up a few buzzwords to bandy about? Instead of "wasting time" yourself complaining about us... prove us wrong. I am fairly certain you can't though. Why? Well... I won't "waste time" patiently repeating the reasons. Pick up a book and find out yourself.
@chrisp3E7My main point is, If you guys want to hang out in our clubhouse keep your parochial opinions to yourselves. The interesting thing is that here, we never know who we are talking to or what their accomplishments may be. Perhaps you should discard your books and get some new ones. You were proved wrong in 1900! If energy were free, would you use elecro-magnets on your refrigerator instead of ceramic ones? If they don't produce more energy than consumed, how do they elude gravity so long?
@78chuck What exactly was proved wrong in 1900 and how? Please cite a reference.
As far as the magnet on the fridge goes, that example pretty much tells me exactly what your accomplishments in this field are. The fact that the force of attraction between the magnet and the fridge is greater than the force exerted on said magnet by gravity has absolutely nothing to do with energy.
Force is not energy. Electrical voltage is not electrical power. Ignorance is not knowledge.
@chrisp3E7 Interesting that you cite the 'force of attraction' When I was studying your books, they referred to that force as the 'magnetic moment'. It indeed has everything to do energy, and is clear to me it is not worth the time, nor do I care to, explain what is actually going on within a magnet. I've done extensive research with my colleagues on this topic. The most successful scientists I work with keep an open mind enough to understand array of infinite possibilities within the field.
@chrisp3E7 But seasoned scientists are ENCOURAGING, and never condescending like some you-tubers. In case you didn't get the memo, quantum physics is proving classic physics to be a half truth in a new way every day. But conventional physics is certainly appropriate enough for the average construction worker. Do you have any patents? Publications? My main point remains, if you disagree with all of this, stay the hell out, this isn't for you! N. Tesla, he only invented, well you look it all up.
@78chuck Seasoned scientists are encouraging?!?!?! Now I know for a fact that you are completely out to lunch. Either that or an undergrad with half a semester of physics and a brain full of THC...
As far as publications that support my statements, pick up any text on basic physics.
Ok, I shall encourage you. Build one.. Build us a device that proves your point. Go ahead. There are plenty of physical examples that prove mine.
@78chuck "Extensive research".... please... Have anything to cite? Perhaps something I can read? Claiming that you have done extensive research to support your stance does little but take up space. I am not going to teach you the difference between force and energy. I shall leave that to your distinguished colleagues.
"And then waste even more time writing responses? "
Who's wasting time? Even if you are too pathetic to spend 2 seconds on, some others aren't. Pointing out that there are obvious simple tasks that this CAN'T do may help others, who might be fooled by pretend 'science'.
A SIMPLE, practical example shows this thing FAILS. No further need to discuss the pretend 'scientific' points.
@78chuck Your thinking and logic is so shitty, it's ridiculous.
I did not check back for your reply, Youtube emails it.
And replying doesn't somehow make your statements correct. YOUR statements fail on their own. I can reply or not, they still fail. I can choose to point out your failures, so that OTHERS will see them clearly.
Even pointing out this, that your general LOGIC is so shitty, can help others. They'll realize it's very unlikely you got ANYTHING else correct either.
@ModelLights Actually I stopped replying to you a while back, but I keep getting those emails from you tube that you're here whining about me not replying..
And I would like to personally thank you on behalf of all the souls you've guided away from failure. You're truely a noble being.
See, all the videos on the right ->
They're about breaking conservation of energy.
So get busy, you have many people to save from failure!
Well, I gotta go tell my generator it shouldn't be running, thx!
@ModelLights it trumps nothing buddy. your not actually useing a significant amount of energy to power the rotor... not a motor a rotor... than your rotor in turn works with you coil to excite than and than push the rotor around faster. so really its something like this (loss of energy in wireing)+(loss of kinetic energy)=(battery energy) X (kinetic energy after an alternator) + (back emf or flyback) so basically this means in the case of the better operating systems with this circuit...
@turkeyguy0 12v 40amp= 23.4v 40 amp when everything is all said and done... thats one made by scientists though, my mockup only performed at 108% his was 130%.... now i apologize if my little formula in the last post was off a little bit, but do you really want to get into this with an 18 year old who understands this technology and can replicate it, when you can't understand it and have no chance of replicating it? if so make more stupid comments that run a logic loop.
@turkeyguy0 post some videos with a properly mounted circuit with some properly made measurements. many say that they can do it, nobody puts a video where proof is supplied, and when i say nobody i mean really nobody. i never saw any video on youtube that made the free energy claim and supplied proof ( proper measurements ) and if you do it i promise you i will send it to at least 10000 people because of being something really really worth seeing
@turkeyguy0 oh and your not seeing the other coils the other circuits the alternator the batterys or anything in this animation. so i suppose your right a bunch of squiggly lines with green and red colors will not make more energy than your monitor used producing the image, however the bedini circuit when assembled correct will.
@ModelLights I agree except the small problem that it works. It should not I agree but build it and then bitch. Stupidity trumps Reality every time or did you miss Gorge Bush being President . Wonderful thought though Reality trumps stupidity every time. Wish it was true.
@dragondeathlord No, it doesn't. Just like the 'proofs' of 1=2, YOUR inability to understand what's wrong does NOT make it correct. Division by 0 errors etc that YOU don't spot, are STILL errors.
What you see: Idiots posting these like they work, pretending there's a conspiracy against them.
What you don't see: Anyone stacking 10 or 1000 of these, and getting rich selling power back to the power company etc.
Only liars and fools, get yourself out of that last category ASAP..
@ModelLights Actually my overunity pulse motor can recharge three batteries using only two batteries as I have did it many times. In my video on this I am only recharging two batteries with two batteries, but as I said it can recharge three batteries using only two batteries as I have did it many times, at some latter date perhaps Ill make a video showing it. The only catch or drawback if you want to call it that is it takes three days to do so.
Anyone can take 2 batteries, and using a circuit charge 3 batteries with them.
Any non-fool knows when you start using those 3 batteries, they'll have less total charge than the original 2 batteries between them. Better hope your life isn't depending on those batteries being fully charged.
Equating voltage to charge is an ERROR. No amount of your errors make something not true become true. Go discharge those 3 batteries, and find out how poorly charged they are.
@ModelLights Actually Thats what makes it work so well is to discharge the batteries being recharged at the beginning of the experiment, the more drained they are the more of a full recharge they take on,,and they take on a full recharge in three days of charging time by my design I said as much in my video called the overunity pulse charge, however the motor used is a modified motor, I mentioned how to make that as well.
@ModelLights A friend built one off the Bendini circuits and got it to charge both Ni-cads and a sealed battery , showing me the voltage on the "charged batteries" as proof, till I asked him to charge a lead acid battery , where I measured the acid's SG discharged and again, after the charge measured with the meter......some 78% short of the capacity. You cannot measure charge with meters!
There are all simple DC to AC(or pulsed DC) converters, simple transformers, nothing more or less.
@bigjoe5263 It is a way to take the energy in one battery and put some of it into the other one. There are many ways to do this, and this is just an over complex method that people can sell as putting out more than they put into it. They do this by explaining the step up voltage is some sort of power gain, but it's not, that is where the Bedini Circuit fails to meet the claims from the neophites. It is only a fun way to learn about the different components, but nothing else of value.
This circuit doesn't work verified by a Certain University so everyone ignore it and John Bendini if you looking him up you wont find anything about this guy anywhere. Sounds like a bit of a fraud.
Does putting more magnets on the wheel cause it to spin faster? Or does the added weight from the magnets cancel out the effect? What is the ideal number/spacing of the magnets? 4?
I've got money if you can prove it works. Send me a box (I don't care what is inside) that will provide 1 watt of continuous power for at least a month - I will pay for parts. If it passes the test, I can provide funds for commercial development.
@LarryH54 Why is the onus always put on the observer, not the person performing the experiment? If you've got something to sell, you have to make me want to buy it, not tell me to make it myself. If anyone meets the criteria, I will buy - hell, I expect NASA would buy!
@KippTheKidd The person performing the experiment is proving it to himself. The observer is likely not to believe somebody else's work. And several people HAVE tried to build such systems for sale, and ALL have been shut down by representatives of the Shadow Govt. You don't have to believe me. Try it and see for yourself.
As to NASA, their agenda is to preserve the status quo. They'll never even admit such technology is POSSIBLE.
@LarryH54 I have never seen nor succeeded at producing authentic "free energy". I have seen much evidence to support a LACK of "free energy", and NO evidence to support it. Wouldn't it be pretty idiotic for me to believe in something where evidence is to the contrary?
@LarryH54 Many searching people find explainable phenomenon that proves that their approach isn't working. A very few people actually find unexplainable phenomenon. But it's not the shadow government that stops them, it's the fact that it's unexplainable. The Bedini is a perfect example of this; it produces a huge draw in bursts too short to measure, and then returns that energy in a measurable way. With so many people searching for it, finding this illusion was inevitable... but it's not real.
@LarryH54 Yes, I've tried it. It produces the same results I see in the videos - a strange effect that can't be measured by a typical slow voltmeter. I've developed several sophisticated DC brushless motor controllers, from 10 millihorse to 50 horse. I understand how they work very well, and the Bedini motor is no different - except that it's built wrong.
i like it. ima build a bunch of them and hand them to friends. maybe those backwoods rednecks would like to get a charge on their batteries of their gamefinder in the woods.it's gonna be a big sale in the panhandle of florida.
i like it. ima build a bunch of them and hand them to friends. maybe those backwoods rednecks would like to get a charge on their batteries of their gamefinder in the woods.it's gonna be a big sale in the panhandle of florida.
The negative on the primary battery go’s to the inner 20 gauge wire on the coil which also go’s to the emitter on the transistor and the inner 24 gauge wire from the coil go’s to the collator on the transistor then the neon bulb is connected to the emitter and collator does it matter which way I put the neon bulb? And is there any problems you see in this hookup? Thanks for you help!
The potentiometer is connected to a 24 gauge outside coil wire. My 1N4007 diode is connected to the positive on the secondary battery. Then the outside 20 gauge wire runs to negative on the secondary battery and on the positive on the primary battery.
Hi I have been trying to get the bedini motor to work, but the wheel just comes to a stop. My setup is 1N4001 diode is connected on the emitter to the base on the transistor. Then the base is connected to a 470 resister. Then resister is connected to the potentiometer
I never was much good with understanding electronics," Being more mechanically minded" and conversant with a sledge hammer than screw driver, but you have made a good video here which does help numb Nuts like me in our comprehension, LOL, Thanks.
The battery will still deplete as electromagnetism takes power to build the magnetic field then collapses & induces current in secondary windings, you can change voltage at the sacrifice of amps in the secondary but it's impossible to get more or even equal actual power in watts from the secondary coil than what you have in the primary coil. W=AxV basically.
I sincerely hope no-one paid money for this, if only the laws of electricity worked this way !
@Grasim101 which part are you saying won't work, the motor or overunity from the motor? I don't see where the author of the video said it would produce overunity. I can confirm that the motor DOES actually work, as I've built a few of them myself. I can also tell you this circuit was not intended for overuntiy. What it DOES do quite well is condition lead acid batteries to hold a charge longer. I've managed to revive nearly dead batteries with this circuit. It's pretty cool.
IT is a gimmick, there is NO point to it or benefit from it but I suppose if someone has heaps of spare time on their hands, all to their own. If things like this interest you you want to get some of the kits from Jaycar or somewhere at least you would end up with something you could utilise & learn from, then branch out designing your own ideas.
As far as the above circuit is concerned it is a smoke & mirrors approach to imply energy production for free, if only !
I don't think it's a gimmick at all. When I started playing with this years ago Bedini was very clear that this circuit is not intended to be over unity. It shows that *some* wasted energy from the rotor can be captured in the charging battery and the circuit can increase battery life and charge capacity. It's also cool to learn how to build an electric motor that draws LESS current as a load decreases rotor speed... the opposite of typical electric motors.
Quite a bad spelling error. At interval 0:43 sec, the WRONG phrase says '' magnet has past the....'' WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
Correct:: Once the magnet has P A S S E D the....
The second error is in capitalization: Why do you capitalize ''Coil'' one time and then use lower case the next. Take an English 99 class or two and learn your syntax.
TAKE DOWN THIS VIDEO AND RE-POST IT AFTER YOU HAVE CORRECTED THE GRAMMAR ERROR
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Quite a bad spelling error. At interval 0:43 sec, the WRONG phrase says '' magnet has past the....'' WRONG WRONG WRONG!@!!
Correct:: Once the magnet has P A S S E D the....
The second error is in capitalization: Why do you capitalize ''Coil'' one time and then use lower case the next. Take an English 99 class or two and learn your syntax.
TAKE DOWN THIS VIDEO AND RE-POST IT AFTER YOU HAVE CORRECTED THE GRAMMAR ERROR
Alright MrGrammarnazi, he made a couple mistakes. I don't think this prevented any of us who aren't OCD from getting what we needed to from the diagram. Also, "@" is not punctuation.
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Charging a house.. 2 big battery banks, something like 1000-1500Ah and a multi-coiler or, better, scaled-up solid state version at high frequency. You'd charge one bank, while using and running on the other. When one goes low, you'd switch. You could run it for years with no maintenance. Occasional component or battery replacements. For around 20-25K it should be doable. Of course, it's just a guesstimate.
there have been NUMEROUS patents over the years using many variations on these types of motors, some of which have claimed overunity or self-running capability. the patents are there for anyones perusal.. bedini has a couple, as well as tesla, stubblefield, etc.. i have never witnessed these so i cant speak on them being genuine. the SSG however i have built and seen and it does what it claims to do.. rejuvenate batteries by charging them with spikes, using a system that draws LESS under load
for those who have never taken the time to thoroughly understand: the bedini motor does not "create or generate" "free" energy. it is a motor/generator that allows for the CAPTURING of "radiant"/"ambient"/"atmospheric" transient in order for it to become useful to us. this method has had extraordinary effects on gaseous batteries like SLA's in that more "charge" can be received than put into the system. running ones entire house off the grid was NEVER claimed, though IT IS POSSIBLE
The amount of energy needed to turn a fan and charge a battery are both measurable. If a Bendini device is producing free energy, then these outputs will add up to more than what is being input from the source battery. So go ahead and make these measurements on your devices and publish them. If your output ever adds up to more than the input then YOU WIN. Engineers and physicists all over the world will reproduce your results and sing your praises. It's that simple.
@u2bist i think everyone knows this by now. why do you think bedini does not do this on his SG motors? because they are not made to run themselves.. how many times must it be said? the SSG is a simple circuit demonstrating radiant capture and efficient energizing.. if u want to research (or bash) self-running or overunity designs, why not do it in a "bedini window motor" video? preaching the basic laws of physics as a basis for invalidating the bedini is a waste of your time and everyone elses
I find most incredible how many people commenting, completely seem to not see or know or accept the fact, that this circuit can take 1 (ONE) charged car battery and use it to charge many times that amount (8-10 is normal) car batteries full. Please, think about what I just wrote. How much more free do we expect nature to be? And as long as one doesn't just build it and tries, one will stay blind forever.
@AdiGeorgescu22 Yes, about 6 months ago, when I first came accross the diagram and Bedini's DVD series. It was SSG kit (parts only, for self-assembly) from "potentialtec".
@TheRadiastral so by using this circuit you claim to charge a number of batteries, 2 or more, from only one battery, right? Meaning that from a known quantity of energy you can pull out, by miracle, 2 or more times more, right?
@AdiGeorgescu22 Unfortunately, you completely misunderstand. "Known quantity of energy"? "by miracle"? Ehhh? :)
The battery you run on, has NO connection whatsoever to the batteries you charge. It just creates conditions, where another battery can charge itself. it's just a chemical reaction in the battery (called CHARGING) forced by high voltage impulses, rather than low voltage current like in standard charger. And yes, you can charge many from 1.
remove the diode from the C and E and u have your basic joule thief, which will oscillate on its own depending on the resistance. put the diode back and it keeps the tranny from oscillating between forwards and backwards voltage. the resistance on the base is important because its not just switching the tranny and letting current through the C and E, its inducting back into the trigger wire also which is why more resistance in the trigger means more output to the run as long as it still switches
Wow! A complicated way of transferring the energy in one battery to another. It's reasurring to know the laws of thermodynamics and physics are safe for another day. Until the day arrives that one is capable of getting more energy out of a mechanism or function that is input, you'll be a target for thieves.
Thank you for the basic explanation. It helps newbies like me to understand what I'm trying to create here. I believe we all need to work together to understand this because someday soon it may be the only power source we have left. Many things can happen and sometimes they come in groups. Let's get it together people. The big boys are working hard to stop us from being independent of their power over us. we need to generate our own power to escape from their stranglehold. Free energy is FREEDOM
@TheSeeker532 Actually, we understand the principles of electricity and magnetism better than nearly anything else in physics. This is a very basic circuit for which it would be very easy to calculate everything about, which is why so many people know that it doesn't work.
@ArcaneInquisitor would u happen to know if we have a modern physics explanation for the effect of magnetic locking? or more specifically how Ed Leedskalnin's permanent motion holder works?
@Magneticitist Sorry but i don't really know what those are. By magnetic locking do you mean like those electro-magnets on doors to hold them open, and what about them?
You're going to need to ask a more specific question.
@ArcaneInquisitor well i know practically nothing of what modern science tells us about certain topics regarding magnetism, though i have experimented heavily with them. one of the most interesting was Ed Leedskalnin's device called the permanent motion holder. basically an electromagnet on a U-bolt that once energized (by a quick battery tap for example) it will electromagnetically hold a crossbar indefinitely, even with the power source removed. do u know how modern physics may explain that?
@Magneticitist It seems kind of like a superconductor; something which has zero resistance therefore it can hold a current forever. But this thing seems to work at room temperature.
Unfortunately, from what I could find on this device the specifics are just far too vague. Its really hard to even know what exactly it is doing. If there is a serious experiment with this device, I would love to read the report.
@ArcaneInquisitor there have been many experiments on the device across the world ever since Ed released his book "Magnetic Current". I actually found one in an OLD german-made piece of audio equipment so i know its being used practically somewhere. i agree its hard to tell what is totally going on but Ed claimed after 6 months u could remove the bar and the same amount of current will escape. i do know that it is absolutely not a hoax.. it just hasn't been properly addressed. strange isnt it?
@Magneticitist Either way, considering how vague and informal all the demonstrations are, I would say its a hoax. If it works so well why not create a serious, quantifiable experiment to show once and for all? Instead they just point and say, "look, the light turned on, and trust me it stays on forever".
This would be more than perpetual motion, it is drawing energy from somewhere. Superconductors can hold a current indefinitely but if you use that current to power a light it will die off.
The U-bold holding the crossbar in place indefinitely is no mystery. The battery doesn't "energize" the U-bolt, it just orients the atoms in the same direction so the magnetic lines of force that already exist around them are parallel instead of random, so they reinforce each other instead of canceling each other out . You can magnetize a nail the same way by orienting it north-south and tapping the end a dozen times with a hammer. No electricity needed, and no "energizing."
@u2bist im starting to see that now. my impression of it is, its magnetizing the entire core creating a closed loop which orbits within itself. basically forming a new magnet as a whole. BUT there are still certain things about it that are not properly addressed.. for example the fact that there is no field coming from it recognizable by a gauss meter for example. ive seen people do the same thing to magnetize aluminum in the closed loop.
I invented a breakthrough energy source that contradicts the law of energy conservation. I have a PROOF that there are electrodynamic phenomena that contradict the law of energy conservation. I am looking for $300 000 for a prototype and for $3M for patents. Making a 6 kW generator will cost $1200 in mass production, value of energy produced yearly $5400.
@orangedac most would call it BS because they think its an attempt at defying physics. some look at it that way, and i think the idea has the ability to defy conventional physics.. easily.. the real intended use of this motor is to rejuvenate/charge batteries that have a larger capacity/voltage than the battery doing the charging. i have about 6 dead car batteries i got from the junk yard that are now working fine.. i also have a motor where i can swap the run and charge batteries, "forever"
have you tried hooking up your house to those batteries you claim you can charge forever. if indeed it is true, you will never have to pay another electric bill again.
the fact that i know of nobody who has done this makes me question whether any of it is real. for surely any person who can do that will win the Nobel prize.
@orangedac dude... that doesnt even make sense... think about what u just said... i said i can swap batteries forever.. its called UNITY. i also DO get a little extra meaning i can charge AA batteries for free.. but my house? your house needs alot of current there jack.. seems like u are just trying to hug the balls of your favorite physicist. when i have the ability to run my house for "free" ill let it be known, but never once have i claimed anything close to what u are mentioning
@orangedac oh wait... u mean the same way Nikola Tesla won the nobel prize? oh yea thats right... he didn't. it doesn't take a keen mind to know why..
believe me i understand your reasoning, but it seems to me like far too many people dont realize the United States functions off of GREED. why would anyone who provided free energy win a nobel prize? the same reason we used filament bulbs for half our lives man..
@Magneticitist you're just another smartass... what do you mean by free energy? perpetuum mobilae? u think it has been done? ever? you are mistaking, my friend... so stop joking and go to school...
@AdiGeorgescu22 go to school? you tell me to entrust my future to total strangers teaching me things that they themselves are regurgitating from FREE public school texts? and im the smartass? why dont YOU go and do some learning yourself buddy. like, literally, on your own. stop being such a gullible little bitch and get out there and learn shit for yourself. perpetual motion has been done by the cosmos since the beginning of time. and YES similar inventions have also been created by man.
@Magneticitist 1+1=2 not because someone said that in school. BECAUSE THAT HOW IT IS !! I'm not telling you to believe anything that you see before judging for yourself. See, judge, compare, calculate, experiment, do whatever you want. But please, don't be a fool. You cannot obtain energy by consuming nothing. All that is around us is energy, being it in the form of radiation, mass and so on. You can only convert energy from one for to another. Go out there and study. I'm a physicist.
@Magneticitist Have YOU studied on your own? DID YOU SEE any of theese devices performing what they pretend? Have you built one of theese at home, in this way having free energy, running off the grid? I didn't think so... so get lost...
@AdiGeorgescu22 what do you think im doing? experiencing it for myself. i have built many bedinis and other pulse motors. none of them "generate free energy" because thats not what they are supposed to do. its fools like you that make assumptions and presumptions about things u know absolutely nothing about, nor have ever tried on your own. you take the advice of others as if its empirical. why not stick to your own lane? learn before speaking and stop trying to put words into peoples mouths...
@Magneticitist -"...perpetual motion has been done by the cosmos since the beginning of time. and YES similar inventions have also been created by man. " Wrong & wrong.
@orangedac you wouldn't even be accepted as a candidate for the nobel prize if you say you built a perpetuum mobilae... and before any other wiseass in here starts to argue that this is some kind of a conspiration, just study physics... you'l soon find out WHY IT CANNOT BE DONE. But everybody is free to try it... like they did with that perendev motor shit and no one got it working... and the one who started all of this free energy bullshit is nowhere to be found... Why do you think that is?
@AdiGeorgescu22 You seem to think the laws of physics are real physical laws of nature. They are the laws as understood and determined by the people who study them. Obviously if they are real laws of nature they are unbreakable, but you are making that assumption. For example Newtons Laws were superseded by Einsteins Laws but Newtons are still practical and useful tools. Conservation of energy is Newtonian and liable to be superseded.
I invented a breakthrough energy source which violates the law of energy conservation. I have a PROOF that there are electrodynamic phenomena which violate the law of energy conservation. I am looking for $30 000 for a prototype and for $3M for patents. Making a 6 kW generator will cost $1200 in mass production.
While I cannot say if this works or not, I applaude everyone who may try this circuit because someone may find a slight tweak to it that would change the world. Remember, the world used to be flat to the most briliant scientific minds!
In a normal circuit the back EMF opposes the current flow to the coil. By shunting the back EMF to another battery you simply get the energy from the main supply battery. This is why you see a more or less constant current. Normally that current would reduce because of the back EMF. Net result is nothing gained. You cant capture back EMF without changing the rest of the circuit.
Your first sentence is correct, but then you lost the plot by the second sentence. What you suggested is impossible and your assumption that we see a "more or less constant current" is wrong.
Storern is constant current capturing EMF. The current depends on the circuit but what I say about back EMF gain is correct. If you capture the back EMF you have to put it back in somewhere in the input. Lets try this. Wire a relay to swap batteries. When the output battery charges swap batteries. This should run forever while powering a load IF you are capturing free energy. RIGHT
@oioioi3000: what I can make up is that it is just the energy of magnetic fields either collapsing, inverting in on itself, or being stretched and then released again like a rubber band of somekind. The engery in all those cases is being collected by the coils/battery/load. I don't know whether we can call that quantum or void or vacuum or.... -insert your favorite term here- unless messing with magnetic fields IS quantum physics/mechanics. I dunno ;-) To me, up to now it makes sense.
@oioioi3000 Hardly we really need quantum physics here. Well quantum mechanics can usually predict the same things but I would say that quantum mechanics in electronics like this would be unnecessary. Maxwell's equations explain the coupling of electronic and magnetic fields and we all know the properties of moving charge plus the normal potential, resistance and current connections. And to your question: no for area of electronics, yes for many other things.
Where did you learn simple elctronics. Conventional current flows from positive to negative. A first grader might not know the differences but anyone with basic knowledge in electronics would.
@introvertebrate: I never really got into electronics, but since I made engines out of thin air without any knowledge when I was four years old..... Well, this has gotten me intrigued in electronics again and I will be "in the mix". I hope to be able to put together and understand (truly get a feel for it) this technology soon. So prolly until soon ;-)
@introvertebrate It depends where you learn it electricians learn it as positive to negative engineers learn it negative flows to positive because electrons are bigger than protons. So quit being a fucking asshole smartass.
@monsieurmitosis No shit that's why the electrons being smaller are the ones moving towards the protons. Not the other way around and this is why in engineering it is taught this way.
basic laws of physics
energy in = enery out - losses
PICProjecsElectronix 1 month ago
This is it:
watch?v=3PUqEghYigw
min2oly 1 month ago
Pseudo science.
a1mint 1 month ago
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jr81472 1 month ago
Judging by the power losses inherent in the transistor, coil flux losses, and wiring, it would need to be able to run for AT LEAST a month without changing the battery.
So to all the builders : with optimum batteries, how long does the circuit work for?
CephasBorg 3 months ago
we are all free to try and succeed at this over unity but when we succeed we are called con jobs sounds like a circular mind set of oppression now yes it does work their are a few others that also work but its big money that holds us back aka shadow gov
try to prove this to a university who gets lots of money from the same corporations stand to lose even more if this gets out
go learn something about cooperate greed then come back and take a second look
gamer60634 3 months ago
It's the little spinning bit that misleads people. It spins so people think power is being generated. The system takes some of the potential energy from the battery converts it to kinetic energy which is then stored in the flywheel and then converted back to electrical impulses that are sent back to the battery. Fun. But, it is a closed system. No energy is being taken out, save for friction and electrical losses (heat). This could run forever and without a load, prove nothing.
chrisp3E7 3 months ago
With all these 'Free Energy' generators here on Youtube, one wonders why not any of these people has stared an energy company bij himself and get rich. Aah, they are being threathened by the energy companies? Well if this really existed the energy companies wld already produce this free nergy and make us pay for it anyway. Well who knows, maybe what looks like a coal, gass or nuclear energy plant, might in fact house a Bedini generator, but they are not telling us. Now where is my aluminum hat?
schoorl200 3 months ago
Citation: "As the magnet approaches the coil, it induces a current in the trigger coil...." (and current flows over diode to charge separate battery)
And this cause transfer of kinetic energy from the rotating wheel to the circuit (and battery). At this point kinetic energy of the wheel decreases.
As the magnet passes the coil, circuit drain energy from the battery in order to "kick" that magnet. This energy from the battery is then transfered back to rotational kinetic energy.
Am I correct?
MilanKarakas 3 months ago
The Bedini motor is nothing more than a rotary lead-acid battery desulphator.
This whole "overuity religion" is based on measuring errors.
I see a lot of video's where a digital multimeter is used to measure power pulses.
That is fooling yourself (and others). You need a "true RMS" meter for that.
drijfkip1 4 months ago
oh and another thing anyone who wants to doubt this. i encourage you to build one. its the only true way to get you guys to belive it.
turkeyguy0 4 months ago
@WXIIIR i've seen a few videos that have done it, in fact one guy even managed to escape the power company killing him, and than made a business on this and did a seminar that was free for people like you. was kinda set up like lego's so the so-called scientists could mix match and experiment easily. here i'll see if i can find the vid. watch?v=7wIjNJH0Cpw there it is theres proof, and if that doesn't do it than that sucks because the seminar has been over for a while now
turkeyguy0 4 months ago
When I was a kid I connected a smal coil with a 1,5 Volt battery, then I disconnected it - it gave me a 90 Volt spike... My father told me, that producing 90 volts spikes from 1,5 volts doesn't make it a free energy device, because energy is voltage multiplied by ampers and time. PS: I called my device electric chair, I think I should have patented it *lol*
brotherboy77 4 months ago
@brotherboy77 Yes it really works. No it's not over unity. I used a 12 volt relay with the N/C contact in series with the coil going to the positve of a 12 volt car battery & the negative of the battery going to the other end of the relay.. It's called a buzzer. I connected a 200 V 22uF electrolytic capacitor backwards like the circuit above across the anode end of the diode & the positive end of the coil. It charges the capacitor to 100V in 2 seconds. & 200 volts in 15 seconds.
altgenesis123 3 months ago
stop at 1:40 , back emf can be hundreds of volts, it isn't lower than the voltage of a battery!
When you can charge 12v batteries in a few hours or power a house, do get in touch!
you have had 3 years...
urbex2007 5 months ago
@urbex2007 Voltage is only one part of the power equation. Power = volts * amps. Getting a higher voltage from a lower voltage source is nothing new. Back emf can be many many many times higher than the voltage that initially energized the coil. Since there can be a bit of power stored in that field, the momentary surge can be quite impressive, just ask anyone who had to repair the results, but the total power stored in that coil cannot be greater than what was put in there to begin with.
chrisp3E7 5 months ago
Another ignorant fool sucked into thinking a Bedini circuit is somehow magical.
JRBeaman 5 months ago
magical overunity explaination: part4:
from a quantum phys. point of view the virtual connection prim.batt--sec.batt. is equivalent to an entanglement or superposition of both. Theory says, that there is an unlimited Nr of correlated states between entangled entities. I called these states parallel universes according to David Deutschs explaination of correlations at a distance in quantum physics. This was one of Einsteins rare failures. He believed in determinism only.
quantengott 6 months ago
magical overunity explaination: part3:
attention ! weird approach !
The quantum probability wave is capable of sending the prim. bat energy to an unlimited number of parallel universes, where prim. batt is virtually connected to sec. batt. while in our world both batts are separated and prim.batt cant unload. Vice versa some energy spikes flash back to our universe and load sec. batt.
So concretely : the neon bulb establishes a virtual (!) circuit from prim. batt to sec. batt.
quantengott 6 months ago
magical overunity explaination: part2:
The primary batt. works as an energy -potential-blueprint. This means that the quantum fluxpath needs an information source, which doesnt have to unload in order to load the second. batt. because the current gap is filled by the quantum flux. . THis is the moment where energy is created from virtually nothing. You can modify this design by removing the moving parts. Essential of course are coils, where the q-flux can enter from hypersp. to 3-dim reality
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magical overunity explaination:
a bedini as shown has a crucial element on board: the neon bulb, which randomizes the on-off cycle. So, if you want to add overunity you have to add a random delay to the coils, electronically with a white noise circuit or old school bedini like with the flickering bulb. The magic behind random is, that you create a hyperdimensional quantum probability wave flux and draw energy from this bizarre realm. You can upscale this principle to an arbitrary degree.
quantengott 6 months ago
what is being claimed here?
and what did Bedini claim. I've seen some funny stuff tied to the name Bedini
weeeendog 6 months ago
Please see Wikipedia, "blocking oscillator" to understand how a self starting blocking oscillator works.
The difference between the Wikipedia article and how most people are wiring the Bedini circuit is that the base drive coil is grounded and not connected to the supply voltage. This is another form of blocking oscillator.
Your explanation is close but not completely technically correct. The main point is that the magnet does not cause the base current to stop flowing.
olrowdy01 6 months ago
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olrowdy01 6 months ago
And? So you take X amount of energy from a battery, run a motor, dump energy from the motor back into a circuit, then charge the battery with the energy in the flyback circuit, to the tune of X- all the losses.
It's short bus 'special'.
Any ignorant can pretend anything. What they can't do is start with a battery and charge anything more than what the battery had.
Reality trumps stupidity every time.
ModelLights 6 months ago 14
@ModelLights Yes and there's some crackpots running around lately claiming the earth is round!
My question is this, why is it that all you who 'know better' waste your time watching free energy videos in the first place? And then waste even more time writing responses? Do you get off on the I'm right and you're stupid concept? If you know so much better, then you are kinda stupid to waste your time here, no?
78chuck 5 months ago
@78chuck So... what motivates you to watch these free energy videos? Have you tried to put anything here into practice or are you just watching some pretty moving objects and indulging in bit of fantasy... perhaps picking up a few buzzwords to bandy about? Instead of "wasting time" yourself complaining about us... prove us wrong. I am fairly certain you can't though. Why? Well... I won't "waste time" patiently repeating the reasons. Pick up a book and find out yourself.
chrisp3E7 5 months ago
@chrisp3E7My main point is, If you guys want to hang out in our clubhouse keep your parochial opinions to yourselves. The interesting thing is that here, we never know who we are talking to or what their accomplishments may be. Perhaps you should discard your books and get some new ones. You were proved wrong in 1900! If energy were free, would you use elecro-magnets on your refrigerator instead of ceramic ones? If they don't produce more energy than consumed, how do they elude gravity so long?
78chuck 5 months ago
@78chuck What exactly was proved wrong in 1900 and how? Please cite a reference.
As far as the magnet on the fridge goes, that example pretty much tells me exactly what your accomplishments in this field are. The fact that the force of attraction between the magnet and the fridge is greater than the force exerted on said magnet by gravity has absolutely nothing to do with energy.
Force is not energy. Electrical voltage is not electrical power. Ignorance is not knowledge.
chrisp3E7 4 months ago
@chrisp3E7 Interesting that you cite the 'force of attraction' When I was studying your books, they referred to that force as the 'magnetic moment'. It indeed has everything to do energy, and is clear to me it is not worth the time, nor do I care to, explain what is actually going on within a magnet. I've done extensive research with my colleagues on this topic. The most successful scientists I work with keep an open mind enough to understand array of infinite possibilities within the field.
78chuck 4 months ago
@chrisp3E7 But seasoned scientists are ENCOURAGING, and never condescending like some you-tubers. In case you didn't get the memo, quantum physics is proving classic physics to be a half truth in a new way every day. But conventional physics is certainly appropriate enough for the average construction worker. Do you have any patents? Publications? My main point remains, if you disagree with all of this, stay the hell out, this isn't for you! N. Tesla, he only invented, well you look it all up.
78chuck 4 months ago
@78chuck Seasoned scientists are encouraging?!?!?! Now I know for a fact that you are completely out to lunch. Either that or an undergrad with half a semester of physics and a brain full of THC...
As far as publications that support my statements, pick up any text on basic physics.
Ok, I shall encourage you. Build one.. Build us a device that proves your point. Go ahead. There are plenty of physical examples that prove mine.
chrisp3E7 4 months ago
@78chuck "Extensive research".... please... Have anything to cite? Perhaps something I can read? Claiming that you have done extensive research to support your stance does little but take up space. I am not going to teach you the difference between force and energy. I shall leave that to your distinguished colleagues.
chrisp3E7 4 months ago
@78chuck
"And then waste even more time writing responses? "
Who's wasting time? Even if you are too pathetic to spend 2 seconds on, some others aren't. Pointing out that there are obvious simple tasks that this CAN'T do may help others, who might be fooled by pretend 'science'.
A SIMPLE, practical example shows this thing FAILS. No further need to discuss the pretend 'scientific' points.
ModelLights 2 months ago
@ModelLights If you're so sure you're right, why would you care what my response is in the first place?
When I know something with certainty, and someone contradicts it, I don't bother checking back for their irrelevant reply. Why do you?
78chuck 2 months ago
@78chuck Your thinking and logic is so shitty, it's ridiculous.
I did not check back for your reply, Youtube emails it.
And replying doesn't somehow make your statements correct. YOUR statements fail on their own. I can reply or not, they still fail. I can choose to point out your failures, so that OTHERS will see them clearly.
Even pointing out this, that your general LOGIC is so shitty, can help others. They'll realize it's very unlikely you got ANYTHING else correct either.
ModelLights 2 months ago
@ModelLights Actually I stopped replying to you a while back, but I keep getting those emails from you tube that you're here whining about me not replying..
And I would like to personally thank you on behalf of all the souls you've guided away from failure. You're truely a noble being.
See, all the videos on the right ->
They're about breaking conservation of energy.
So get busy, you have many people to save from failure!
Well, I gotta go tell my generator it shouldn't be running, thx!
78chuck 2 months ago
@ModelLights it trumps nothing buddy. your not actually useing a significant amount of energy to power the rotor... not a motor a rotor... than your rotor in turn works with you coil to excite than and than push the rotor around faster. so really its something like this (loss of energy in wireing)+(loss of kinetic energy)=(battery energy) X (kinetic energy after an alternator) + (back emf or flyback) so basically this means in the case of the better operating systems with this circuit...
turkeyguy0 4 months ago
@turkeyguy0 12v 40amp= 23.4v 40 amp when everything is all said and done... thats one made by scientists though, my mockup only performed at 108% his was 130%.... now i apologize if my little formula in the last post was off a little bit, but do you really want to get into this with an 18 year old who understands this technology and can replicate it, when you can't understand it and have no chance of replicating it? if so make more stupid comments that run a logic loop.
turkeyguy0 4 months ago
@turkeyguy0 post some videos with a properly mounted circuit with some properly made measurements. many say that they can do it, nobody puts a video where proof is supplied, and when i say nobody i mean really nobody. i never saw any video on youtube that made the free energy claim and supplied proof ( proper measurements ) and if you do it i promise you i will send it to at least 10000 people because of being something really really worth seeing
WXIIIR 4 months ago 2
@turkeyguy0 oh and your not seeing the other coils the other circuits the alternator the batterys or anything in this animation. so i suppose your right a bunch of squiggly lines with green and red colors will not make more energy than your monitor used producing the image, however the bedini circuit when assembled correct will.
turkeyguy0 4 months ago
@ModelLights I agree except the small problem that it works. It should not I agree but build it and then bitch. Stupidity trumps Reality every time or did you miss Gorge Bush being President . Wonderful thought though Reality trumps stupidity every time. Wish it was true.
dragondeathlord 3 months ago
@dragondeathlord No, it doesn't. Just like the 'proofs' of 1=2, YOUR inability to understand what's wrong does NOT make it correct. Division by 0 errors etc that YOU don't spot, are STILL errors.
What you see: Idiots posting these like they work, pretending there's a conspiracy against them.
What you don't see: Anyone stacking 10 or 1000 of these, and getting rich selling power back to the power company etc.
Only liars and fools, get yourself out of that last category ASAP..
ModelLights 3 months ago
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stevensrd1 2 months ago
@ModelLights Actually my overunity pulse motor can recharge three batteries using only two batteries as I have did it many times. In my video on this I am only recharging two batteries with two batteries, but as I said it can recharge three batteries using only two batteries as I have did it many times, at some latter date perhaps Ill make a video showing it. The only catch or drawback if you want to call it that is it takes three days to do so.
stevensrd1 2 months ago
@stevensrd1
Anyone can take 2 batteries, and using a circuit charge 3 batteries with them.
Any non-fool knows when you start using those 3 batteries, they'll have less total charge than the original 2 batteries between them. Better hope your life isn't depending on those batteries being fully charged.
Equating voltage to charge is an ERROR. No amount of your errors make something not true become true. Go discharge those 3 batteries, and find out how poorly charged they are.
ModelLights 2 months ago 2
@ModelLights Actually Thats what makes it work so well is to discharge the batteries being recharged at the beginning of the experiment, the more drained they are the more of a full recharge they take on,,and they take on a full recharge in three days of charging time by my design I said as much in my video called the overunity pulse charge, however the motor used is a modified motor, I mentioned how to make that as well.
stevensrd1 2 months ago
@ModelLights A friend built one off the Bendini circuits and got it to charge both Ni-cads and a sealed battery , showing me the voltage on the "charged batteries" as proof, till I asked him to charge a lead acid battery , where I measured the acid's SG discharged and again, after the charge measured with the meter......some 78% short of the capacity. You cannot measure charge with meters!
There are all simple DC to AC(or pulsed DC) converters, simple transformers, nothing more or less.
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ghpiygfuy 6 months ago
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zibibbone17 6 months ago
This circuit supposed to do something? You got a hamster to move the magnet?
oracle2world 6 months ago
This would be so much more efficient with tubes aka valves.
kiyotewolf 7 months ago
just wondering, what would happen to the primary battery? will it be discharge or it is also being charge by the circuit?
bigjoe5263 7 months ago
@bigjoe5263 It is a way to take the energy in one battery and put some of it into the other one. There are many ways to do this, and this is just an over complex method that people can sell as putting out more than they put into it. They do this by explaining the step up voltage is some sort of power gain, but it's not, that is where the Bedini Circuit fails to meet the claims from the neophites. It is only a fun way to learn about the different components, but nothing else of value.
JRBeaman 6 months ago
isnt this basically how an electric engine works in reverse?
carpetmonk 7 months ago
This John Bendini is not an academic.
welshfluteplayer 7 months ago
This circuit doesn't work verified by a Certain University so everyone ignore it and John Bendini if you looking him up you wont find anything about this guy anywhere. Sounds like a bit of a fraud.
welshfluteplayer 7 months ago
@welshfluteplayer LMFAO - Yes, whatever you do PLEASE IGNORE THIS CIRCUIT!!! How can we possibly control you if you don't need us?
LarryH54 7 months ago
coooooool........
chepao76 7 months ago
Does putting more magnets on the wheel cause it to spin faster? Or does the added weight from the magnets cancel out the effect? What is the ideal number/spacing of the magnets? 4?
usedbandage9 8 months ago
I've got money if you can prove it works. Send me a box (I don't care what is inside) that will provide 1 watt of continuous power for at least a month - I will pay for parts. If it passes the test, I can provide funds for commercial development.
KippTheKidd 8 months ago
@KippTheKidd There's a proof of concept that you can build for practically nothing if you really want to know.
It's on Youtube. "Free Energy Step by Step Instructions Part 2"
LarryH54 7 months ago
@LarryH54 Why is the onus always put on the observer, not the person performing the experiment? If you've got something to sell, you have to make me want to buy it, not tell me to make it myself. If anyone meets the criteria, I will buy - hell, I expect NASA would buy!
KippTheKidd 7 months ago
@KippTheKidd The person performing the experiment is proving it to himself. The observer is likely not to believe somebody else's work. And several people HAVE tried to build such systems for sale, and ALL have been shut down by representatives of the Shadow Govt. You don't have to believe me. Try it and see for yourself.
As to NASA, their agenda is to preserve the status quo. They'll never even admit such technology is POSSIBLE.
LarryH54 7 months ago
@LarryH54 I have never seen nor succeeded at producing authentic "free energy". I have seen much evidence to support a LACK of "free energy", and NO evidence to support it. Wouldn't it be pretty idiotic for me to believe in something where evidence is to the contrary?
KippTheKidd 7 months ago
@LarryH54 Many searching people find explainable phenomenon that proves that their approach isn't working. A very few people actually find unexplainable phenomenon. But it's not the shadow government that stops them, it's the fact that it's unexplainable. The Bedini is a perfect example of this; it produces a huge draw in bursts too short to measure, and then returns that energy in a measurable way. With so many people searching for it, finding this illusion was inevitable... but it's not real.
KippTheKidd 7 months ago
@KippTheKidd The circuit is simple and inexpensive. HAVE YOU TRIED IT? Why trust one group of strangers over another? Why not find out for yourself?
LarryH54 7 months ago
@LarryH54 Yes, I've tried it. It produces the same results I see in the videos - a strange effect that can't be measured by a typical slow voltmeter. I've developed several sophisticated DC brushless motor controllers, from 10 millihorse to 50 horse. I understand how they work very well, and the Bedini motor is no different - except that it's built wrong.
KippTheKidd 7 months ago
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marshallthemaninhere 9 months ago 2
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marshallthemaninhere 9 months ago
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marshallthemaninhere 9 months ago
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marshallthemaninhere 9 months ago
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i like it. ima build a bunch of them and hand them to friends. maybe those backwoods rednecks would like to get a charge on their batteries of their gamefinder in the woods.it's gonna be a big sale in the panhandle of florida.
marshallthemaninhere 9 months ago
i like it. ima build a bunch of them and hand them to friends. maybe those backwoods rednecks would like to get a charge on their batteries of their gamefinder in the woods.it's gonna be a big sale in the panhandle of florida.
marshallthemaninhere 9 months ago
whos BEdini? HARRY BEDINI ? the Magician? lol jk
LUCKY4908 9 months ago
Joule Thief circuit LOL
one2manyification 9 months ago
The negative on the primary battery go’s to the inner 20 gauge wire on the coil which also go’s to the emitter on the transistor and the inner 24 gauge wire from the coil go’s to the collator on the transistor then the neon bulb is connected to the emitter and collator does it matter which way I put the neon bulb? And is there any problems you see in this hookup? Thanks for you help!
333kgb 9 months ago
The potentiometer is connected to a 24 gauge outside coil wire. My 1N4007 diode is connected to the positive on the secondary battery. Then the outside 20 gauge wire runs to negative on the secondary battery and on the positive on the primary battery.
333kgb 9 months ago
Hi I have been trying to get the bedini motor to work, but the wheel just comes to a stop. My setup is 1N4001 diode is connected on the emitter to the base on the transistor. Then the base is connected to a 470 resister. Then resister is connected to the potentiometer
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cushionofair 10 months ago
I never was much good with understanding electronics," Being more mechanically minded" and conversant with a sledge hammer than screw driver, but you have made a good video here which does help numb Nuts like me in our comprehension, LOL, Thanks.
Thom in Scotland.
fuelban 10 months ago
are all the magnet facing same way all north out?
eloid777 10 months ago
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cushionofair 10 months ago
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cushionofair 10 months ago
Thank you very much for your explanations, it means great.
Greetings.
Muchas gracias por tus explicaciones, se entiende genial.
Un cordial saludo.
delcopond 10 months ago
The battery will still deplete as electromagnetism takes power to build the magnetic field then collapses & induces current in secondary windings, you can change voltage at the sacrifice of amps in the secondary but it's impossible to get more or even equal actual power in watts from the secondary coil than what you have in the primary coil. W=AxV basically.
I sincerely hope no-one paid money for this, if only the laws of electricity worked this way !
Grasim101 1 year ago
@Grasim101 which part are you saying won't work, the motor or overunity from the motor? I don't see where the author of the video said it would produce overunity. I can confirm that the motor DOES actually work, as I've built a few of them myself. I can also tell you this circuit was not intended for overuntiy. What it DOES do quite well is condition lead acid batteries to hold a charge longer. I've managed to revive nearly dead batteries with this circuit. It's pretty cool.
maxc246 11 months ago
@maxc246
IT is a gimmick, there is NO point to it or benefit from it but I suppose if someone has heaps of spare time on their hands, all to their own. If things like this interest you you want to get some of the kits from Jaycar or somewhere at least you would end up with something you could utilise & learn from, then branch out designing your own ideas.
As far as the above circuit is concerned it is a smoke & mirrors approach to imply energy production for free, if only !
Al the best to U
Grasim101 11 months ago
@Grasim101
I don't think it's a gimmick at all. When I started playing with this years ago Bedini was very clear that this circuit is not intended to be over unity. It shows that *some* wasted energy from the rotor can be captured in the charging battery and the circuit can increase battery life and charge capacity. It's also cool to learn how to build an electric motor that draws LESS current as a load decreases rotor speed... the opposite of typical electric motors.
maxc246 11 months ago
@Grasim101 If the laws of electricity worked like this, then we would not exist.
O2streaming 10 months ago
video is not all that crappy and by reading the description I was able to find what I needed to move forward with zero-waste time == thank you !
pzmtuthcvpvl 1 year ago
lol
AlternativeEnergy100 1 year ago
uh... what?
mrrts312 1 year ago
Excellence Unveiled, as with all your videos. Thanks!
SuperMagnetizer 1 year ago
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Quite a bad spelling error. At interval 0:43 sec, the WRONG phrase says '' magnet has past the....'' WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
Correct:: Once the magnet has P A S S E D the....
The second error is in capitalization: Why do you capitalize ''Coil'' one time and then use lower case the next. Take an English 99 class or two and learn your syntax.
TAKE DOWN THIS VIDEO AND RE-POST IT AFTER YOU HAVE CORRECTED THE GRAMMAR ERROR
MrBluegrassfiddler 1 year ago
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Quite a bad spelling error. At interval 0:43 sec, the WRONG phrase says '' magnet has past the....'' WRONG WRONG WRONG!@!!
Correct:: Once the magnet has P A S S E D the....
The second error is in capitalization: Why do you capitalize ''Coil'' one time and then use lower case the next. Take an English 99 class or two and learn your syntax.
TAKE DOWN THIS VIDEO AND RE-POST IT AFTER YOU HAVE CORRECTED THE GRAMMAR ERROR
MrBluegrassfiddler 1 year ago
@MrBluegrassfiddler
Alright MrGrammarnazi, he made a couple mistakes. I don't think this prevented any of us who aren't OCD from getting what we needed to from the diagram. Also, "@" is not punctuation.
@introvertebrate
Thank you for the animation and the very easy to understand explanation. I am new to this and this was very helpful.
kamden1980 1 year ago
@MrBluegrassfiddler I'm pretty sure @ isnt punctuation dumbass
Oh, and u also didnt have a period at the end of your last sentence
Learn your own grammar before you become a grammar nazi
pwnzorgod 1 year ago
why is that crappy, obviously a magnet cutting field lines in a coil will generate voltage :)
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faerydhhlo 1 year ago
Why is their only one spool of coil on some machins while the schematic diagram for a bedini circuit has 2 coils at least.?
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
radiant particles are smaller in mass than electrons, so they flow before any current is created, and this is the reason why impulses are so special
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perplexfraction 1 year ago
Charging a house.. 2 big battery banks, something like 1000-1500Ah and a multi-coiler or, better, scaled-up solid state version at high frequency. You'd charge one bank, while using and running on the other. When one goes low, you'd switch. You could run it for years with no maintenance. Occasional component or battery replacements. For around 20-25K it should be doable. Of course, it's just a guesstimate.
TheRadiastral 1 year ago
there have been NUMEROUS patents over the years using many variations on these types of motors, some of which have claimed overunity or self-running capability. the patents are there for anyones perusal.. bedini has a couple, as well as tesla, stubblefield, etc.. i have never witnessed these so i cant speak on them being genuine. the SSG however i have built and seen and it does what it claims to do.. rejuvenate batteries by charging them with spikes, using a system that draws LESS under load
Magneticitist 1 year ago
for those who have never taken the time to thoroughly understand: the bedini motor does not "create or generate" "free" energy. it is a motor/generator that allows for the CAPTURING of "radiant"/"ambient"/"atmospheric" transient in order for it to become useful to us. this method has had extraordinary effects on gaseous batteries like SLA's in that more "charge" can be received than put into the system. running ones entire house off the grid was NEVER claimed, though IT IS POSSIBLE
Magneticitist 1 year ago
The amount of energy needed to turn a fan and charge a battery are both measurable. If a Bendini device is producing free energy, then these outputs will add up to more than what is being input from the source battery. So go ahead and make these measurements on your devices and publish them. If your output ever adds up to more than the input then YOU WIN. Engineers and physicists all over the world will reproduce your results and sing your praises. It's that simple.
u2bist 1 year ago
@u2bist Don't bother man... they're just too stupid to understand. They would be better off watching comercials and drinking beer...
AdiGeorgescu22 1 year ago
@u2bist i think everyone knows this by now. why do you think bedini does not do this on his SG motors? because they are not made to run themselves.. how many times must it be said? the SSG is a simple circuit demonstrating radiant capture and efficient energizing.. if u want to research (or bash) self-running or overunity designs, why not do it in a "bedini window motor" video? preaching the basic laws of physics as a basis for invalidating the bedini is a waste of your time and everyone elses
Magneticitist 1 year ago
I find most incredible how many people commenting, completely seem to not see or know or accept the fact, that this circuit can take 1 (ONE) charged car battery and use it to charge many times that amount (8-10 is normal) car batteries full. Please, think about what I just wrote. How much more free do we expect nature to be? And as long as one doesn't just build it and tries, one will stay blind forever.
TheRadiastral 1 year ago
@TheRadiastral did you built it?
AdiGeorgescu22 1 year ago
@AdiGeorgescu22 Yes, about 6 months ago, when I first came accross the diagram and Bedini's DVD series. It was SSG kit (parts only, for self-assembly) from "potentialtec".
TheRadiastral 1 year ago
@TheRadiastral so by using this circuit you claim to charge a number of batteries, 2 or more, from only one battery, right? Meaning that from a known quantity of energy you can pull out, by miracle, 2 or more times more, right?
AdiGeorgescu22 1 year ago
@AdiGeorgescu22 Unfortunately, you completely misunderstand. "Known quantity of energy"? "by miracle"? Ehhh? :)
The battery you run on, has NO connection whatsoever to the batteries you charge. It just creates conditions, where another battery can charge itself. it's just a chemical reaction in the battery (called CHARGING) forced by high voltage impulses, rather than low voltage current like in standard charger. And yes, you can charge many from 1.
TheRadiastral 1 year ago
Thank u for such a nice and informative tutorial.
And hoping for more and more.
Regs,
DilJalaay 1 year ago
remove the diode from the C and E and u have your basic joule thief, which will oscillate on its own depending on the resistance. put the diode back and it keeps the tranny from oscillating between forwards and backwards voltage. the resistance on the base is important because its not just switching the tranny and letting current through the C and E, its inducting back into the trigger wire also which is why more resistance in the trigger means more output to the run as long as it still switches
Magneticitist 1 year ago
I'm stoned like shit and wtf is this!?
picaticatara 1 year ago
Wow! A complicated way of transferring the energy in one battery to another. It's reasurring to know the laws of thermodynamics and physics are safe for another day. Until the day arrives that one is capable of getting more energy out of a mechanism or function that is input, you'll be a target for thieves.
moabrob 1 year ago
Thank you for the basic explanation. It helps newbies like me to understand what I'm trying to create here. I believe we all need to work together to understand this because someday soon it may be the only power source we have left. Many things can happen and sometimes they come in groups. Let's get it together people. The big boys are working hard to stop us from being independent of their power over us. we need to generate our own power to escape from their stranglehold. Free energy is FREEDOM
TheSeeker532 1 year ago
@TheSeeker532 Actually, we understand the principles of electricity and magnetism better than nearly anything else in physics. This is a very basic circuit for which it would be very easy to calculate everything about, which is why so many people know that it doesn't work.
Want to convince me? Show me the math.
ArcaneInquisitor 1 year ago
@ArcaneInquisitor would u happen to know if we have a modern physics explanation for the effect of magnetic locking? or more specifically how Ed Leedskalnin's permanent motion holder works?
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@Magneticitist Sorry but i don't really know what those are. By magnetic locking do you mean like those electro-magnets on doors to hold them open, and what about them?
You're going to need to ask a more specific question.
ArcaneInquisitor 1 year ago
@ArcaneInquisitor well i know practically nothing of what modern science tells us about certain topics regarding magnetism, though i have experimented heavily with them. one of the most interesting was Ed Leedskalnin's device called the permanent motion holder. basically an electromagnet on a U-bolt that once energized (by a quick battery tap for example) it will electromagnetically hold a crossbar indefinitely, even with the power source removed. do u know how modern physics may explain that?
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@Magneticitist It seems kind of like a superconductor; something which has zero resistance therefore it can hold a current forever. But this thing seems to work at room temperature.
Unfortunately, from what I could find on this device the specifics are just far too vague. Its really hard to even know what exactly it is doing. If there is a serious experiment with this device, I would love to read the report.
ArcaneInquisitor 1 year ago
@ArcaneInquisitor there have been many experiments on the device across the world ever since Ed released his book "Magnetic Current". I actually found one in an OLD german-made piece of audio equipment so i know its being used practically somewhere. i agree its hard to tell what is totally going on but Ed claimed after 6 months u could remove the bar and the same amount of current will escape. i do know that it is absolutely not a hoax.. it just hasn't been properly addressed. strange isnt it?
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@Magneticitist Either way, considering how vague and informal all the demonstrations are, I would say its a hoax. If it works so well why not create a serious, quantifiable experiment to show once and for all? Instead they just point and say, "look, the light turned on, and trust me it stays on forever".
This would be more than perpetual motion, it is drawing energy from somewhere. Superconductors can hold a current indefinitely but if you use that current to power a light it will die off.
ArcaneInquisitor 1 year ago
@ArcaneInquisitor google "energy from the vacuum 1-18" watch 1 and 2, then comment. ALL of you.
lukerides666 1 year ago
@Magneticitist
The U-bold holding the crossbar in place indefinitely is no mystery. The battery doesn't "energize" the U-bolt, it just orients the atoms in the same direction so the magnetic lines of force that already exist around them are parallel instead of random, so they reinforce each other instead of canceling each other out . You can magnetize a nail the same way by orienting it north-south and tapping the end a dozen times with a hammer. No electricity needed, and no "energizing."
u2bist 1 year ago
@u2bist im starting to see that now. my impression of it is, its magnetizing the entire core creating a closed loop which orbits within itself. basically forming a new magnet as a whole. BUT there are still certain things about it that are not properly addressed.. for example the fact that there is no field coming from it recognizable by a gauss meter for example. ive seen people do the same thing to magnetize aluminum in the closed loop.
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@TheSeeker532 There is a difference. Freedom is possible.
groknet 1 year ago
Thank you very much. it clears my mind on bendini. Plz mark source and charging battery.
Regs,
Tahir
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osalexandeko 1 year ago
is this stuff real or BS?
can someone who has actually investigated it and built such a device (as opposed to just throwing in their opinion) enlighten me?
orangedac 1 year ago
@orangedac most would call it BS because they think its an attempt at defying physics. some look at it that way, and i think the idea has the ability to defy conventional physics.. easily.. the real intended use of this motor is to rejuvenate/charge batteries that have a larger capacity/voltage than the battery doing the charging. i have about 6 dead car batteries i got from the junk yard that are now working fine.. i also have a motor where i can swap the run and charge batteries, "forever"
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@Magneticitist
have you tried hooking up your house to those batteries you claim you can charge forever. if indeed it is true, you will never have to pay another electric bill again.
the fact that i know of nobody who has done this makes me question whether any of it is real. for surely any person who can do that will win the Nobel prize.
orangedac 1 year ago
@orangedac dude... that doesnt even make sense... think about what u just said... i said i can swap batteries forever.. its called UNITY. i also DO get a little extra meaning i can charge AA batteries for free.. but my house? your house needs alot of current there jack.. seems like u are just trying to hug the balls of your favorite physicist. when i have the ability to run my house for "free" ill let it be known, but never once have i claimed anything close to what u are mentioning
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@orangedac oh wait... u mean the same way Nikola Tesla won the nobel prize? oh yea thats right... he didn't. it doesn't take a keen mind to know why..
believe me i understand your reasoning, but it seems to me like far too many people dont realize the United States functions off of GREED. why would anyone who provided free energy win a nobel prize? the same reason we used filament bulbs for half our lives man..
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@Magneticitist you're just another smartass... what do you mean by free energy? perpetuum mobilae? u think it has been done? ever? you are mistaking, my friend... so stop joking and go to school...
AdiGeorgescu22 1 year ago
@AdiGeorgescu22 go to school? you tell me to entrust my future to total strangers teaching me things that they themselves are regurgitating from FREE public school texts? and im the smartass? why dont YOU go and do some learning yourself buddy. like, literally, on your own. stop being such a gullible little bitch and get out there and learn shit for yourself. perpetual motion has been done by the cosmos since the beginning of time. and YES similar inventions have also been created by man.
Magneticitist 1 year ago
@Magneticitist 1+1=2 not because someone said that in school. BECAUSE THAT HOW IT IS !! I'm not telling you to believe anything that you see before judging for yourself. See, judge, compare, calculate, experiment, do whatever you want. But please, don't be a fool. You cannot obtain energy by consuming nothing. All that is around us is energy, being it in the form of radiation, mass and so on. You can only convert energy from one for to another. Go out there and study. I'm a physicist.
AdiGeorgescu22 1 year ago
@Magneticitist Have YOU studied on your own? DID YOU SEE any of theese devices performing what they pretend? Have you built one of theese at home, in this way having free energy, running off the grid? I didn't think so... so get lost...
AdiGeorgescu22 1 year ago
@AdiGeorgescu22 what do you think im doing? experiencing it for myself. i have built many bedinis and other pulse motors. none of them "generate free energy" because thats not what they are supposed to do. its fools like you that make assumptions and presumptions about things u know absolutely nothing about, nor have ever tried on your own. you take the advice of others as if its empirical. why not stick to your own lane? learn before speaking and stop trying to put words into peoples mouths...
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@Magneticitist -"...perpetual motion has been done by the cosmos since the beginning of time. and YES similar inventions have also been created by man. " Wrong & wrong.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
@orangedac you wouldn't even be accepted as a candidate for the nobel prize if you say you built a perpetuum mobilae... and before any other wiseass in here starts to argue that this is some kind of a conspiration, just study physics... you'l soon find out WHY IT CANNOT BE DONE. But everybody is free to try it... like they did with that perendev motor shit and no one got it working... and the one who started all of this free energy bullshit is nowhere to be found... Why do you think that is?
AdiGeorgescu22 1 year ago
@AdiGeorgescu22 You seem to think the laws of physics are real physical laws of nature. They are the laws as understood and determined by the people who study them. Obviously if they are real laws of nature they are unbreakable, but you are making that assumption. For example Newtons Laws were superseded by Einsteins Laws but Newtons are still practical and useful tools. Conservation of energy is Newtonian and liable to be superseded.
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henrykay01 1 year ago
Energy conservation!!!!
guillermuss 1 year ago
While I cannot say if this works or not, I applaude everyone who may try this circuit because someone may find a slight tweak to it that would change the world. Remember, the world used to be flat to the most briliant scientific minds!
briguy3455 1 year ago
Wow, I used to make animated schematics back in the day when Popular Electronics was still online. Brings back memories of that days long gone.
Anothercoilgun 1 year ago
I had no idea brittish people say crappy. I thought it was just us Americans.
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XxWhoopiexX 1 year ago
eh?
introvertebrate 1 year ago 5
In a normal circuit the back EMF opposes the current flow to the coil. By shunting the back EMF to another battery you simply get the energy from the main supply battery. This is why you see a more or less constant current. Normally that current would reduce because of the back EMF. Net result is nothing gained. You cant capture back EMF without changing the rest of the circuit.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
back again? lol
Your first sentence is correct, but then you lost the plot by the second sentence. What you suggested is impossible and your assumption that we see a "more or less constant current" is wrong.
introvertebrate 1 year ago
Storern is constant current capturing EMF. The current depends on the circuit but what I say about back EMF gain is correct. If you capture the back EMF you have to put it back in somewhere in the input. Lets try this. Wire a relay to swap batteries. When the output battery charges swap batteries. This should run forever while powering a load IF you are capturing free energy. RIGHT
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
It is disputed that Quantum Physics is the underlining principle here for the circuit.
Could it be that Radiant Energy is just an area of Quantum not delved yet??
Your thoughts introvertrbrate
oioioi3000 1 year ago
@oioioi3000: what I can make up is that it is just the energy of magnetic fields either collapsing, inverting in on itself, or being stretched and then released again like a rubber band of somekind. The engery in all those cases is being collected by the coils/battery/load. I don't know whether we can call that quantum or void or vacuum or.... -insert your favorite term here- unless messing with magnetic fields IS quantum physics/mechanics. I dunno ;-) To me, up to now it makes sense.
MegaKutzooi 1 year ago
@oioioi3000 Hardly we really need quantum physics here. Well quantum mechanics can usually predict the same things but I would say that quantum mechanics in electronics like this would be unnecessary. Maxwell's equations explain the coupling of electronic and magnetic fields and we all know the properties of moving charge plus the normal potential, resistance and current connections. And to your question: no for area of electronics, yes for many other things.
SpecklePattern 1 year ago
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TheNuclearWatermelon 1 year ago
Where did you learn simple elctronics. Conventional current flows from positive to negative. A first grader might not know the differences but anyone with basic knowledge in electronics would.
introvertebrate 1 year ago
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TheNuclearWatermelon 1 year ago
@introvertebrate: I never really got into electronics, but since I made engines out of thin air without any knowledge when I was four years old..... Well, this has gotten me intrigued in electronics again and I will be "in the mix". I hope to be able to put together and understand (truly get a feel for it) this technology soon. So prolly until soon ;-)
MegaKutzooi 1 year ago
@introvertebrate It depends where you learn it electricians learn it as positive to negative engineers learn it negative flows to positive because electrons are bigger than protons. So quit being a fucking asshole smartass.
Tab54o 1 year ago
@Tab54o You'll notice that the comment I was replying to has been deleted... my reply used his exact same words ^_^
introvertebrate 1 year ago 2
@introvertebrate heh i see.
Tab54o 1 year ago
@Tab54o
Are you serious? Even I know that protons are bigger than electrons. Much bigger.
monsieurmitosis 1 year ago
@monsieurmitosis No shit that's why the electrons being smaller are the ones moving towards the protons. Not the other way around and this is why in engineering it is taught this way.
Tab54o 1 year ago
@Tab54o
Awright, maybe it was a typo or something, but I'm pretty sure your comment ^^^ up there ^^^ states that electrons are bigger than protons.