So in summary: "Yeah, I know nothing about music but I do have hands! It's so unfair that up until now people like have me been excluded from performing in public just because we can't actually play any musical instruments. But now that's all changed! This is the dawn of a new age and now everyone can jab their fists at keyboards on stage everywhere alongside even the most talented keyboard players without fear. I present to you the keyboard child safety lock!"
to all the haters.. people used to say the same thing about drum machines, stop judging and shitting on peoples ideas and dreams and maybe focus that energy into your own music
Nice bit of coding but it doesn't have any soul. You can correct, quantise all you want but the humanity is lost. If my cat can play it then it sort of misses the point of creating music for me. I like electronic music and I also like 'mistakes'. Live and Max are ace but 1 finger perfection isn't where it is at for me ...
its kinda funny cuz if he would have spend as much time programming this plug in into learning basic chords. he would be fucking amazing by now. hahaha
anybody else thinks that this is just cheating? i mean if anybody can press a NOTE and get a Mozart piece then how are we supposed to tell who are the real musicians?
this is fine for a performance setting to eliminate the chances of playing a "wrong note" in an improvisation, but the way he's talking about the idea bothers me and discourages folks from learning basic music theory.
Getting a grasp on your basic triads and seventh chords and their accompanying scales is something any musician should learn to do, and it's not especially difficult.
@UniversalFlyer the behavior of the Device depends on what you set in its parameters. If you randomize the notes, then even correct ones might be changed - especially if you have more than one note playing.
so.....they don't have a clue what they're doing.....how can it help you express something you feel, like reaaally the way you feel it, if 80% of people using it may be only messing around till something sounds fairly good to them
I've been using this program for years, and when I saw this, I thought it was fucking awesome. I started where this guy started, but was never afraid to press notes. Yet I'm still going to get this patch. Because it's a good fucking patch. Case closed.
Not calling scales by their names is completely retarded. What's wrong with learning a bit while you mindlessly hit your keyboard and think you're pro?
This guy is pretty smart and orginal for coming up with such a great tool.
Just remember we should all play music for other people not our egos. 95% of people listening to music only care about how well the music sounds, not what technique you used to achieve that sound.
This will be amazing to use with Komplete 7. My ocean keeps getting deeper and deeper.
ya right, just like deep blue ruined chess, right? mediocre musicians will stay play mediocre, even with this (but next level mediocre! whichis afucking good thing, cause there are so many mediocre musicians out there they may as well not sound half bad) anyway the true artists will just use this as a device and take their music even further
i'm all on board except the part where he's all 'we don't name it a scale, we name it after a track or a mood' thats ridiculous. spoon feeding someone mashed yams is just fine, but calling it 'yum yum' - teaching them to think 'yum yum' is just pushing the fucking limit. you don't have to learn music, but to have a fear or actually learning a bit is retarded
@jxw137 That was the only part I didn't like either. Mostly because it renders this thing useless in a collaborative setting. When the other guys in the band say "so this is in F#" and you have no idea what that is.. And all your chord presets are named "cookies floating on a pile of cheese", you're pretty much screwed...
@ronnysoeberg I was worried for the same reason at first, but you can just make your own scales, so all you really have to do is do some research online to find out the positions for each scale and make your own.
so people with less musician abilities aren't allowed to make cool beats wow guys thats just selfish. Just let people have fun making music and let ppl with less abilities than you mozarts have more success than they did before. wow.
i really don't get the behavior of some ppl in here.
Hi, my name is Bojan and i'm from Slovenia ( not Slovakia...:)). Ok, that doesn't matter now, what i eantes to say is at first that i really have to congratulate u, on what u did with that Schwarzonator. To cut the story short, i have an idea, that might interest u as a developer. I think u could get this thing on next level, well perhaps u are allready thinking about it allready, if so, than u are probablly not
going to read this proposal till the end, but if u don't, than u might will. Ok, so what's the deail? I'm shure u know DJ tool called Mixed in Key. So, where am i going with that? Perhaps u're allredy thinking about it. Is there anny posibility, that u insert another feauter not only from major to minor, but well lets say to give an
option when the device plays a 7th chord, to give it an exit to totaly other scale? exymple: let's say from E-flat minor TO B-flat minor or F-minor or E-minor, etc etc...I mean,this product what u did is really fantastic, and i really CONGRATULATE YOU!!!!, but suddenly, it opened a big amount of options, and i think this is one of them, and if u look at the other side, i think u began a revolution in making electronic music for people who has no clue about music theory
hatsoever, but appliing this posibility, would really ROCKS!!!! I mean, playing in camelot would really make a difference, actually, the infinity of creating melodies, acualy " the never ending story"...
One more thing, if u allready applied this option, than i probably fell out like a realy stupid guy, paying a closer attention to you invention. But if u havent, than i hope u will think about it.
Best reguards my friend, and a lot of untenced moments while u're playing...:)!!!
I'm sorry. I love electronic music to death, analog and digital are the future, but I believe this eliminates hard work.
He even says that he feels "much more safe than before", but should music even be safe. There artists like Cut Copy, and even traditional musicians who take the risks. Great music involves a risk, always.
The great songs and musical performances of our times all have mistakes and unique tones, but this is limiting it all to synthetic perfection. I'm torn in two about it.
Its just another tool to make music - you've still got to make the music sound good, and you can't 'cheat' at that..
I'm sure when the fairlight came out people thought that was cheating. Now it looks horrendously over complicated, and we have software to do this for us. Music hasn't suffered - its actually advanced.
People slagging this off clearly haven't seen any music software in the past 20 years.
nice tool . but the future of techno looks a bit different to me. funny gimmick and for sure quite helpful for the author and mister schwarz. nice but nothing special. have seen this on a lemur in a more developed way.. ... maybe that was the Visonator !!
yea this actually kind of pisses me off.dont get me wrong. Im both a trained musician and a producer. the fact that you can just "press these buttons" and get a result sucks balls. And then again maybe it doesnt matter because a pre set will always be a preset, and if you arnet an artist about it, you wont get an imaginative and innovative quality to your sound, which is what truly makes you an individual as a musician, but in the world we live who gives a shit about being distinct, right?ahfuck
some people like this. so you stick to your music and we'll stick to ours. it's like abragam lincoln said said "ah, the east and the west, never the two shall mall. and the east sucks" you're the east. and we're the north. GO UNION
Wow man, please check Henrik Schwarz' music and realise that you better stop whining..... He is innovative, and the man breaths music. Please just stick to your boring self, ok?
"Agreed. Passion and inspiration or more important than technical mastery. "
Absolutely. But I think this video shows a degree of that passion and inspiration being taken away from the aspiring producer/musican, whilst encouraging focus on technicalities - the technicalities are just prepared by someone else.
I think that you're missing the point. Max for Live basically opens up the guts of Ableton so that the user can get infinitely technical--if the user wants to. Or, the user can just use toys and tools developed in Max for Live by other people.
I'm a trained musician and producer. When I wanted to get into Djing, I didn't have the skills of beat matching, using vinyl or CDs, and Ableton Live allowed me to get out and Dj without having to learn these things. And of course I was criticized for my technique, that I wasn't a "real DJ." I support this plug-in because it is a chance for non-musicians to be musicians, just as a non-dj like myself can now be a Dj. it's all about having a passion for music and ableton makes it possiblel.
Agreed. Passion and inspiration or more important than technical mastery. Technology always makes it easier and there will always be nay sayers condemning it as too easy. The first person who invented the flute caught all kinds of flack from the whistlers of the world.
i can argue that this automated type of patch is in no way passionate or inspiring in the sense of becoming a musician. The digital age is making it tough to differentiate "the learned musician" from someone that can just play buttons, loop preset samples and do everything which is automated by a computer. The music comes from within and is physically and emotionally let out by the human brain which is so much more organic than automating it with a machine.not a fan of this type of auto-creation
if someone cares about something thats passion. you just think you're better than every one else. probably because you had parents wealthy enough to send you to music lessons. not all of us had that advantage. a real musician would want to share the joy of music with everyone in any way possible. so the way i see it, you are the one who is not a real musician.
Again some bullshit comment mate, sorry to be saying that. Music is about "hearing emotions", and if you can express them just by turning one simple button or hitting a hammer on a table, you're a musician too. If the music is within you and you are using the help of a machine, it doesn't make you less of a musician. Music is all about emotions, not which technique you're using.
I'm a huge fan of Ableton and fully support the idea that studio technicians are musicians in their own right. However, this seems lazy and a step backwards. Anyone can find notes that 'work' together without being musically trained or understanding theory. An algorithm isn't needed. Instruments like Live should break us away from what is considered 'correct' in music.
@toynoise i could not agree more ive never had any formal training and i can put notes one after the other. this while beeing a cleaver program does indeed seem lazy
i learning music but, this bad because sometimes you want to play a note out off the key for creating harsh changes and going into the next part of the song
The Hotz Midi Translator Software has been doing Chord and Scale interactive play along for many years and has recently been updated. It can run in an integrated fashion with Ableton Live, for very serious real-time interactive creative performance and writing. Also, it has extremely fast processing and the largest database of Chords and Scales in a single reference. Check out Videos on YouTube or go to the Jimmy Hotz website and see an amazing tool that can enhance your Ableton performances.
Jeez guys! I too am a traditional musician but you must always remember that music is nothing more than sound. If this tool allows people to express something that they hear in their minds then that is awesome. Music, as with all walks of life, has many avenues and I see no reason to place limitation on something which is so abstract in the first place.
Yes, but this good as a tool, but as Henrik uses it, he is using it to correct his ineptitude with a piano. Why did he not just learn how to play the piano? I do not think that the majority of people will use this is express what they hear in their minds, they will only hit some keys and say, "hey check out what i wrote". It is like saying that using a children's watercolor book where you only add water is a painting. Its not, everything is set out and u add one thing.
I know a boat load of theory. I play reasonably well and I can certainly put together a harmonically complex structure without using "tricks".
HOWEVER; devices such as this add something that is very illusive: Serendipity. That shit is worth its weight in GOLD, had it had, you know, an actual weight and all.
I think the problem is not the software, it's the *angle* of the video: "you don't have to know music" - for me the point is to augment your knowledge.
Come on people, as if this plugin would get rid of musical composing alltogether.
When someone wants a simple beat, it was possible to do so years ago as well.
Why not let us just concentrate on new things we can achieve with this plugin, instead of thinking about ways you could minimize your efforts in creating music?
Music, technology and humans have a really characteristic common factor which is called EVOLUTION. And right now it's happening faster than ever, so you better prepare yourself!
@AppA its not just about helping with music theory. you can always grab a book in the studio. I think the major benefit of this plug in is during a live show, because it prevents you from doing big mistakes. It also helps with improvisation, specially with various band members that probably didnt rehearse that much.
I'm sorry, but I actually do have a problem with this.
The new technology in general IS fantastic. But isn't the instrument a device to express your musical thoughts?
Why would I use a piano that play's a C when I press an E? For me that's lack of musicality. You can HEAR that it sounds like Minor so the E would have no function. (unless you WANT that musical color)
Why do classical, jazz and pop musicians study for years to improve their own hearing...?
It's no sin to lessen your efforts,but this patch fails to substitute for harmonic consideration.
Sure using this he will be able to perform live with B.W., but only as long as Wesseltoft doesn't wish to change key.(And even until then, what he will add to the flow may very well be obtrusive and stupid.) This is a huge limitation on your (and your partner's)musical thinking.And on this basic level music theory isn't that difficult either.Anyone can learn it in just a few days (hours?)!Seriously!
@kergeliba As far as i understand Wesseltoff can change to whatever key he likes and Schwarz gets the Information on his system...so there is no limitation for Wesseltoff and for Schwarz neither cause he can now concentrate on sound-sculpting, live arrangement and didn't have to worry about his "limited piano skills". And i have to say it sounds phantastic. Knowing the theory doesn't make you a good musician. Listen to this clip if you havn't already: /watch?v=A8wL6QQ-v4c&feature=related Peace!
really nice and well thought patch... like the attitude:)
I´ve did something simular for the Jazzmutant Lemur ("Scalomat"). It is so nice that we can build our own tools. that brings up new ideas...and it is not about beeing "no musican";)
I agree with you however things like this or say the tenori-on can help a musician think outside the box .. I can play a few instruments quite well but this gives one the opportunity to engage in musical creation from a diiferent point of view , which can be a very good thing
There's something about electronic music, that makes you think completely differently to traditional music, creating an electronic song is like building something, there are alot of puzzles, this was his interpretation of a solution to one of those puzzles.
Part of the attraction to performing and listening to music live is that it isn't all easy. If anyone "can do it", then where's the art?
Am I completely wrong or didn't music (like all art) use to be about something coming from within and the only way to convey that was to actually master that art?
you're absolutely right...it's PART of the attraction. you have to ask yourself if what you appreciate about music is the technical prowess of the performance, or the music itself.
really, the schwarzonator is no different than a sampler. is playing a sampler live "cheating"?
some people spend more time on producing than practicing their live set. things like this give an avenue to those producers to play live. and if it's cheating to you, why use ableton at all?
I would have to say that I appreciate both the music and the prowess.
All I'm saying is that it actually opens creative doors for anyone learning the theory behind notes and chords rather then just having it handed to you.
What if you felt that what this app was doing, didn't coincide with what was in your head?
trust me, i understand your perspective. but after i started producing about 2 years ago, i realized that a good song is a good song, regardless of how it was produced or performed live.
and with all due respect, yes, i think you might be missing the point. if it doesn't coincide with what you're trying to achieve, then don't use it. but you have to understand that this app might benefit some, as well as allow those "creative doors" to be open to people who don't understand the music theory.
alright, I personally started from piano, so my approach is pretty stereotypical, but it's a very solid way to start:
I used the faber and faber series of piano books when I was young, and later I played a lot of Chopin and Uematsu arrangements. After that, listen to jazz musicians and try to learn that. You'll pick up all you need to make electro & w/e.
Remember that this has been a 12-year process for me, so just stick with it and you'll have it.
Why all the hate? You all seem to play an instrument, learned it from the ground. Good for you.
This guy put quite some effort into this tool, and maybe we get some really good music out of it, by people who didn't had the blessing of the path you walked. Did you pay for your lessons, or your dad?
If you ask me what to change in music today, I'd say kill autotune, not some new approaches. Experimenting is ALWAYS good. If it was for guys like you, we wouldn't have Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
You are SOOOOO stuck to what this plugin is able to show you when you're not able to play something in real time and change it at the spur of the moment. It really hurts my brain to watch all this effort go into such a dead end streat project. And the music generated is actually completely retarded wheel chair music. No offense meant at wheels, chairs nor the people who is less lucky in life than me but this is one wof the worst attempts at making music I've ever seen or heard.
HAHAHA! What an ass backwards way of doing something very simple. Get ONE book on harmony like 300 pages on basic chords and scales and in three months you will fly in circles around the approach shown here. Then do some ear training, which half of the job is already done for this guy since he knows what sounds good already. Add note reading if you see some obvious benefit for what you do, communicating or digging up old books
Cool he made the plugin work but sorry, it's not the way to do it
Everyone who is saying that he has probably learnt a lot from making this plugin is missing the point. People will rely on things like this in the future, and end up knowing very little about what they are actually doing. If in 10 years time everyone was using this software, and then you took it away from all of them and told them to make a good tune, chances are they would not have a clue of what they were doing.
i think if you can't name music notes, you shouldn't be in this business. after all, this is the "MUSIC" industry. sorry to break the news, but for those who are so hyped up by this go learn some basic music skills and avoid this all together.
I can't believe the negative responses. In order to program this he had to learn the scales, the chords. What he has done is very clever and in the process of writing this plugin he will have discovered more about music theory that most of these critics know, and best of all he taught himself.
He sure doesn't have the "musician's talk", but I think you'd be surprised by what he has learned about music, chords and progressions by doing this.
By the way, if you ever had high level composition classes, you learn that some of these progressions and scales are pure mathematics, which allows programming to generate actual music (you still have to program it, obviously).
does that really bother you that much, the guy in the beginning of the video said he has never learned any instrument or officially taken lessons doucher
So in summary: "Yeah, I know nothing about music but I do have hands! It's so unfair that up until now people like have me been excluded from performing in public just because we can't actually play any musical instruments. But now that's all changed! This is the dawn of a new age and now everyone can jab their fists at keyboards on stage everywhere alongside even the most talented keyboard players without fear. I present to you the keyboard child safety lock!"
endscow 1 day ago
how do i get it on ableton
TheRealestSound 1 day ago
So this generates midi data, which you can then drop a VST synth onto the MIDI channel?
LawrenceHill2010 4 days ago
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LawrenceHill2010 4 days ago
Can I play a VST with this?
LawrenceHill2010 4 days ago
to all the haters.. people used to say the same thing about drum machines, stop judging and shitting on peoples ideas and dreams and maybe focus that energy into your own music
ptubeyall 1 week ago
Nice bit of coding but it doesn't have any soul. You can correct, quantise all you want but the humanity is lost. If my cat can play it then it sort of misses the point of creating music for me. I like electronic music and I also like 'mistakes'. Live and Max are ace but 1 finger perfection isn't where it is at for me ...
TheVimFuego 3 weeks ago
its kinda funny cuz if he would have spend as much time programming this plug in into learning basic chords. he would be fucking amazing by now. hahaha
mygoodshitzzz 3 weeks ago
"If you found a chord,..which one is the next one? ..and which one is the next one???"
BRILLIANT!!! ..If you plugged in one USB cable into your bum,..which hole is the next one!
..."FMajor7" is just for musician's talk ,...so what the flippin' hell exactly are you???
100slackerman1 3 weeks ago
A Laptop band -- Waahahahahahahah!!! Brilliant!
100slackerman1 3 weeks ago
have you got a plugin that can help me play La Bamba in Bb but in minor???
100slackerman1 3 weeks ago
anybody else thinks that this is just cheating? i mean if anybody can press a NOTE and get a Mozart piece then how are we supposed to tell who are the real musicians?
BELL12366 1 month ago
awesome patch!
I can control other vst instruments,like operator or other?...i want to use this for a midi send machine..
MrEcomist 3 months ago
this is fine for a performance setting to eliminate the chances of playing a "wrong note" in an improvisation, but the way he's talking about the idea bothers me and discourages folks from learning basic music theory.
Getting a grasp on your basic triads and seventh chords and their accompanying scales is something any musician should learn to do, and it's not especially difficult.
grampskvideo 3 months ago 2
@grampskvideo I agree although I hope people learn some theory from this. Assuming it comes with strong documentation.
estevancarlos 1 month ago
can any thing get crazier than max for live........? i don't think so........ he was rite...... it surely is a revolution.....
maramanand1 4 months ago
This patch change only incorrect notes? If I play the correct notes the program does not change anything?
UniversalFlyer 4 months ago
@UniversalFlyer the behavior of the Device depends on what you set in its parameters. If you randomize the notes, then even correct ones might be changed - especially if you have more than one note playing.
AbletonInc 4 months ago
I like this...
philxcorexinxurxface 4 months ago
Yezz... This is amazing! Exactly what we need! More crap automated music for idiots.
hookbox666 5 months ago
so.....they don't have a clue what they're doing.....how can it help you express something you feel, like reaaally the way you feel it, if 80% of people using it may be only messing around till something sounds fairly good to them
adrychopin 6 months ago
This just blew my mind
NarainVS 6 months ago
I've been using this program for years, and when I saw this, I thought it was fucking awesome. I started where this guy started, but was never afraid to press notes. Yet I'm still going to get this patch. Because it's a good fucking patch. Case closed.
MikeRat77 6 months ago
this is so gay :S I was just thinking awesome ableton is untill i found out about this :( i still love ableton, but this shit really sucks...
SmallFish616 10 months ago
@SmallFish616: If you don't like it, don't use it... simple.
jazzfunkandsoul 9 months ago
Not calling scales by their names is completely retarded. What's wrong with learning a bit while you mindlessly hit your keyboard and think you're pro?
bablouche 10 months ago
Smart
shoridotco 11 months ago
"I'm playing all the right notes—but not necessarily in the right order." - Eric Morecamb
Great idea for the non players - like me :-)
paulshillitomusic 1 year ago
may the schwarz be with you.
mattrozak 1 year ago
This guy is pretty smart and orginal for coming up with such a great tool.
Just remember we should all play music for other people not our egos. 95% of people listening to music only care about how well the music sounds, not what technique you used to achieve that sound.
This will be amazing to use with Komplete 7. My ocean keeps getting deeper and deeper.
christwagon1980 1 year ago
ya right, just like deep blue ruined chess, right? mediocre musicians will stay play mediocre, even with this (but next level mediocre! whichis afucking good thing, cause there are so many mediocre musicians out there they may as well not sound half bad) anyway the true artists will just use this as a device and take their music even further
jxw137 1 year ago
i'm all on board except the part where he's all 'we don't name it a scale, we name it after a track or a mood' thats ridiculous. spoon feeding someone mashed yams is just fine, but calling it 'yum yum' - teaching them to think 'yum yum' is just pushing the fucking limit. you don't have to learn music, but to have a fear or actually learning a bit is retarded
jxw137 1 year ago 9
@jxw137 That was the only part I didn't like either. Mostly because it renders this thing useless in a collaborative setting. When the other guys in the band say "so this is in F#" and you have no idea what that is.. And all your chord presets are named "cookies floating on a pile of cheese", you're pretty much screwed...
ronnysoeberg 4 months ago
@ronnysoeberg I was worried for the same reason at first, but you can just make your own scales, so all you really have to do is do some research online to find out the positions for each scale and make your own.
greenguy238 2 months ago
So what is the scale "leave my head alone brain?"
blissful0ne 1 year ago
@blissful0ne nvm i just answered my own question (i think...?)
is it a c minor with the 4th and 6ths degrees taken out?? I'm still learning music dont b too mean :b
blissful0ne 1 year ago
OMG you damn haters.
so people with less musician abilities aren't allowed to make cool beats wow guys thats just selfish. Just let people have fun making music and let ppl with less abilities than you mozarts have more success than they did before. wow.
i really don't get the behavior of some ppl in here.
pce
FooYeezy 1 year ago
Hi, my name is Bojan and i'm from Slovenia ( not Slovakia...:)). Ok, that doesn't matter now, what i eantes to say is at first that i really have to congratulate u, on what u did with that Schwarzonator. To cut the story short, i have an idea, that might interest u as a developer. I think u could get this thing on next level, well perhaps u are allready thinking about it allready, if so, than u are probablly not
LordshipEtor 1 year ago
going to read this proposal till the end, but if u don't, than u might will. Ok, so what's the deail? I'm shure u know DJ tool called Mixed in Key. So, where am i going with that? Perhaps u're allredy thinking about it. Is there anny posibility, that u insert another feauter not only from major to minor, but well lets say to give an
LordshipEtor 1 year ago
option when the device plays a 7th chord, to give it an exit to totaly other scale? exymple: let's say from E-flat minor TO B-flat minor or F-minor or E-minor, etc etc...I mean,this product what u did is really fantastic, and i really CONGRATULATE YOU!!!!, but suddenly, it opened a big amount of options, and i think this is one of them, and if u look at the other side, i think u began a revolution in making electronic music for people who has no clue about music theory
LordshipEtor 1 year ago
hatsoever, but appliing this posibility, would really ROCKS!!!! I mean, playing in camelot would really make a difference, actually, the infinity of creating melodies, acualy " the never ending story"...
One more thing, if u allready applied this option, than i probably fell out like a realy stupid guy, paying a closer attention to you invention. But if u havent, than i hope u will think about it.
Best reguards my friend, and a lot of untenced moments while u're playing...:)!!!
DJ Etor.
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LordshipEtor 1 year ago
I'm sorry. I love electronic music to death, analog and digital are the future, but I believe this eliminates hard work.
He even says that he feels "much more safe than before", but should music even be safe. There artists like Cut Copy, and even traditional musicians who take the risks. Great music involves a risk, always.
The great songs and musical performances of our times all have mistakes and unique tones, but this is limiting it all to synthetic perfection. I'm torn in two about it.
nethaneld 1 year ago
Great program. Thanks.
MrBlueHaze 1 year ago
Wonderful program thank you!!!!
MrBlueHaze 1 year ago
Owjeh,
Quote: 02:55 "The chordsets are not named like Fmaj7")
That's not so unlogic because Fmaj7 is a chord, but not a scale. And he is using scales.
For the ones interested... That "not a scale but a song title" it's C pentatonic minor" ;-p
bobvanluijt 1 year ago
This is what I call creative comping.
PrivateBuckwheat 1 year ago
please make a tutorial on how to install it ive tried all my best pleaseeee
dannyhance18 1 year ago
@dannyhance18 It`s pretty easy if you just google how to install schwazonator ?.) Installing SCHWARZONATOR:
Once you have installed Max 4 Live please put the SCHWARZONATOR folder into your Ableton Live Library:
Library/Presets/MIDI Effects/Max MIDI Effect/
Done
johnwally 1 year ago
12:00 This is beautiful. I really enjoy the music. Would love to find a downloadable MP3 or something of it...
Jobotslash 1 year ago
Can you use this for Logic pro?
gold95 1 year ago
@gold95 alas no, its for ableton live only
solconnection2 1 year ago
@solconnection2 that sucks... =(
gold95 1 year ago
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This fucker's French accent annoys me.
MrDarcyzPP 1 year ago
@MrDarcyzPP he's German you moron...
gold95 1 year ago
холи мазе блять..... холи мазе.......
sc4kdjmo 1 year ago
@fukademous andmvonwahde, you guys are the idiots lets see your ableton plug-ins, fuckin haters....
ghostsciencemusic 1 year ago
I can see both sides of this argument... im sure if you use this patch enough you will learn more about music as well
jonpo123 1 year ago
Surprised people are bothered about this?
Its just another tool to make music - you've still got to make the music sound good, and you can't 'cheat' at that..
I'm sure when the fairlight came out people thought that was cheating. Now it looks horrendously over complicated, and we have software to do this for us. Music hasn't suffered - its actually advanced.
People slagging this off clearly haven't seen any music software in the past 20 years.
drumz95 1 year ago
So good to the hear insightful, observant comments. All to often these post are full with overcritical/ condemnatory comments.
I concur that this is an advancement, a labour saving device.
BenBen808 1 year ago
@drumz95
MrDarcyzPP 1 year ago
nice tool . but the future of techno looks a bit different to me. funny gimmick and for sure quite helpful for the author and mister schwarz. nice but nothing special. have seen this on a lemur in a more developed way.. ... maybe that was the Visonator !!
beroshima1 1 year ago
BRILLIANT
What an arpegiator is to rhythm, this is to melody - it's nothing to be threatened by.
weaponEX 1 year ago
Paint by numbers.... doodoo.. the rise of the idiots takes a step further ....
fukademous 2 years ago
If the idiots rise, that would be a good thing.
Unless, of course, you want to keep the idiots down.
mvonwahlde 1 year ago
I have a cat to fall on my keyboard... why do I need a human for this?
fukademous 1 year ago
You're changing the subject from "the rise of the idiots" to your own personal needs.
Your own personal needs are your concern, not mine.
mvonwahlde 1 year ago
By the way: Is there something like the Schwarzonator for Reason 4.0??????
KonisAdonis 2 years ago
yea this actually kind of pisses me off.dont get me wrong. Im both a trained musician and a producer. the fact that you can just "press these buttons" and get a result sucks balls. And then again maybe it doesnt matter because a pre set will always be a preset, and if you arnet an artist about it, you wont get an imaginative and innovative quality to your sound, which is what truly makes you an individual as a musician, but in the world we live who gives a shit about being distinct, right?ahfuck
lkman4 2 years ago
some people like this. so you stick to your music and we'll stick to ours. it's like abragam lincoln said said "ah, the east and the west, never the two shall mall. and the east sucks" you're the east. and we're the north. GO UNION
PhantomVersusGohst 2 years ago
Wow man, please check Henrik Schwarz' music and realise that you better stop whining..... He is innovative, and the man breaths music. Please just stick to your boring self, ok?
KonisAdonis 2 years ago
@KonisAdonis
are you talking to me?
PhantomVersusGohst 2 years ago
@ PhantomVersusGhost
No way man, ofcourse not! I am commenting @ Ikman4!
KonisAdonis 2 years ago
amazing ?
lol
d33pS3Ad1v3r 2 years ago
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Roelandvinken 2 years ago
"Agreed. Passion and inspiration or more important than technical mastery. "
Absolutely. But I think this video shows a degree of that passion and inspiration being taken away from the aspiring producer/musican, whilst encouraging focus on technicalities - the technicalities are just prepared by someone else.
toynoise 2 years ago
I think that you're missing the point. Max for Live basically opens up the guts of Ableton so that the user can get infinitely technical--if the user wants to. Or, the user can just use toys and tools developed in Max for Live by other people.
mvonwahlde 2 years ago
I'm a trained musician and producer. When I wanted to get into Djing, I didn't have the skills of beat matching, using vinyl or CDs, and Ableton Live allowed me to get out and Dj without having to learn these things. And of course I was criticized for my technique, that I wasn't a "real DJ." I support this plug-in because it is a chance for non-musicians to be musicians, just as a non-dj like myself can now be a Dj. it's all about having a passion for music and ableton makes it possiblel.
wrlmuzik 2 years ago 2
Agreed. Passion and inspiration or more important than technical mastery. Technology always makes it easier and there will always be nay sayers condemning it as too easy. The first person who invented the flute caught all kinds of flack from the whistlers of the world.
654654321321 2 years ago
i can argue that this automated type of patch is in no way passionate or inspiring in the sense of becoming a musician. The digital age is making it tough to differentiate "the learned musician" from someone that can just play buttons, loop preset samples and do everything which is automated by a computer. The music comes from within and is physically and emotionally let out by the human brain which is so much more organic than automating it with a machine.not a fan of this type of auto-creation
lkman4 2 years ago
if someone cares about something thats passion. you just think you're better than every one else. probably because you had parents wealthy enough to send you to music lessons. not all of us had that advantage. a real musician would want to share the joy of music with everyone in any way possible. so the way i see it, you are the one who is not a real musician.
PhantomVersusGohst 2 years ago
Again some bullshit comment mate, sorry to be saying that. Music is about "hearing emotions", and if you can express them just by turning one simple button or hitting a hammer on a table, you're a musician too. If the music is within you and you are using the help of a machine, it doesn't make you less of a musician. Music is all about emotions, not which technique you're using.
KonisAdonis 2 years ago
I'm a huge fan of Ableton and fully support the idea that studio technicians are musicians in their own right. However, this seems lazy and a step backwards. Anyone can find notes that 'work' together without being musically trained or understanding theory. An algorithm isn't needed. Instruments like Live should break us away from what is considered 'correct' in music.
toynoise 2 years ago
@toynoise i could not agree more ive never had any formal training and i can put notes one after the other. this while beeing a cleaver program does indeed seem lazy
swarm69 2 years ago
i learning music but, this bad because sometimes you want to play a note out off the key for creating harsh changes and going into the next part of the song
SkeletinProductions 2 years ago
The Hotz Midi Translator Software has been doing Chord and Scale interactive play along for many years and has recently been updated. It can run in an integrated fashion with Ableton Live, for very serious real-time interactive creative performance and writing. Also, it has extremely fast processing and the largest database of Chords and Scales in a single reference. Check out Videos on YouTube or go to the Jimmy Hotz website and see an amazing tool that can enhance your Ableton performances.
Hotz777 2 years ago
Nice plug, lol
djbis 2 years ago
Dopest shit made ...just amazing thank you hanrik!!!!
DZMPLZ 2 years ago
lololol nice
you are such a xiter... this is aimbot!! ahahah!!!
oh man jewish people don't like you ... doing repetitive cyclic simple cool music :)
authmaax 2 years ago 2
hahaha i ♥ antisemitism!
supermouse720 2 years ago
i too adore anti-semitism =]
its my favorite thing containing "semitism"
PhantomVersusGohst 2 years ago
this is sick. awsome!
Kek5kopF 2 years ago
Great job.
DS10Dominator 2 years ago
I just got my virus TI and jammed a little yesterday with this stuff and it's absolutely amazing :D Love it!
LzI 2 years ago
Jeez guys! I too am a traditional musician but you must always remember that music is nothing more than sound. If this tool allows people to express something that they hear in their minds then that is awesome. Music, as with all walks of life, has many avenues and I see no reason to place limitation on something which is so abstract in the first place.
GlobalStaticMedia 2 years ago 40
Well said!
DS10Dominator 2 years ago
@GlobalStaticMedia
Yes, but this good as a tool, but as Henrik uses it, he is using it to correct his ineptitude with a piano. Why did he not just learn how to play the piano? I do not think that the majority of people will use this is express what they hear in their minds, they will only hit some keys and say, "hey check out what i wrote". It is like saying that using a children's watercolor book where you only add water is a painting. Its not, everything is set out and u add one thing.
EXTREME111111111 1 year ago
this looks damn cool :)
really well thought out
DarkShroom 2 years ago
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lobit12 2 years ago
Very nice...
Live just gets better and better.
I haven't played with Max yet but I have a feeling it will change the way a lot of people make music in the not so distant future.
Thank you Ableton.
Cheers
RRKS69 2 years ago
Henrik Schwarz you absolute legend. Thankyou.
crapsapeur 2 years ago
I know a boat load of theory. I play reasonably well and I can certainly put together a harmonically complex structure without using "tricks".
HOWEVER; devices such as this add something that is very illusive: Serendipity. That shit is worth its weight in GOLD, had it had, you know, an actual weight and all.
I think the problem is not the software, it's the *angle* of the video: "you don't have to know music" - for me the point is to augment your knowledge.
machinate 2 years ago 7
yeah tru tru
ellollio 2 years ago
totally agree, i think the same...it is an error think the opposite :)
juaxix 2 years ago
@machinate We are so in awe of you...let me assure you. Serendipity...fuck...as if you even know what that is.
MrDarcyzPP 1 year ago
Come on people, as if this plugin would get rid of musical composing alltogether.
When someone wants a simple beat, it was possible to do so years ago as well.
Why not let us just concentrate on new things we can achieve with this plugin, instead of thinking about ways you could minimize your efforts in creating music?
Music, technology and humans have a really characteristic common factor which is called EVOLUTION. And right now it's happening faster than ever, so you better prepare yourself!
AppA 2 years ago 24
bigup
ellollio 2 years ago
@AppA Oh thank you, oh insightful one. Why not focus on the fact that none of this is actually music, also?
MrDarcyzPP 1 year ago
@AppA its not just about helping with music theory. you can always grab a book in the studio. I think the major benefit of this plug in is during a live show, because it prevents you from doing big mistakes. It also helps with improvisation, specially with various band members that probably didnt rehearse that much.
fermixx 1 year ago
@AppA (and others)
I'm sorry, but I actually do have a problem with this.
The new technology in general IS fantastic. But isn't the instrument a device to express your musical thoughts?
Why would I use a piano that play's a C when I press an E? For me that's lack of musicality. You can HEAR that it sounds like Minor so the E would have no function. (unless you WANT that musical color)
Why do classical, jazz and pop musicians study for years to improve their own hearing...?
bobvanluijt 1 year ago 4
@bobvanluijt "But isn't the instrument a device to express your musical thoughts?"
Could be, but is not limited to.
Just about any form of music you hear is made possible through the use and abuse of technology. There is an application for every application :)
AppA 1 year ago
@AppA
yeah, another one who checks it !!!!!
AshtarKommando 1 year ago
It's no sin to lessen your efforts,but this patch fails to substitute for harmonic consideration.
Sure using this he will be able to perform live with B.W., but only as long as Wesseltoft doesn't wish to change key.(And even until then, what he will add to the flow may very well be obtrusive and stupid.) This is a huge limitation on your (and your partner's)musical thinking.And on this basic level music theory isn't that difficult either.Anyone can learn it in just a few days (hours?)!Seriously!
kergeliba 10 months ago
@kergeliba As far as i understand Wesseltoff can change to whatever key he likes and Schwarz gets the Information on his system...so there is no limitation for Wesseltoff and for Schwarz neither cause he can now concentrate on sound-sculpting, live arrangement and didn't have to worry about his "limited piano skills". And i have to say it sounds phantastic. Knowing the theory doesn't make you a good musician. Listen to this clip if you havn't already: /watch?v=A8wL6QQ-v4c&feature=related Peace!
lordoid 6 months ago
long live ableton, and the schwarzonator has some great programming ideas, but i hope my students never see this video.
koostapo 2 years ago
straight jacket music
entelekhia 2 years ago
really nice and well thought patch... like the attitude:)
I´ve did something simular for the Jazzmutant Lemur ("Scalomat"). It is so nice that we can build our own tools. that brings up new ideas...and it is not about beeing "no musican";)
tonvibration 2 years ago
really great example, i need max4live ...
wehkah 2 years ago
Not a fan of this. This is basically for people who can not learn an instrument. It's just the computer that's playing the keyboard.
FreedomBeats 2 years ago
tu eres tonto de verdad...
devolut10n 2 years ago
Why?
FreedomBeats 2 years ago
I agree with you however things like this or say the tenori-on can help a musician think outside the box .. I can play a few instruments quite well but this gives one the opportunity to engage in musical creation from a diiferent point of view , which can be a very good thing
memberboard1 2 years ago
no it doesn't. its exactly the same approach
ellollio 2 years ago
I agree i mean people work hard to play music and now we press buttons and it does for us
SkeletinProductions 2 years ago
ye man exactly my point
FreedomBeats 2 years ago
There's something about electronic music, that makes you think completely differently to traditional music, creating an electronic song is like building something, there are alot of puzzles, this was his interpretation of a solution to one of those puzzles.
Marwood91 2 years ago 3
With all the programming knowledge and time and experimentation it takes -- why not just learn some music theory? It's not *that* difficult.
NewSc2 2 years ago
he explained that...it's so he doesn't have to worry about messing up while performing live.
sitcomsidekick 2 years ago
Part of the attraction to performing and listening to music live is that it isn't all easy. If anyone "can do it", then where's the art?
Am I completely wrong or didn't music (like all art) use to be about something coming from within and the only way to convey that was to actually master that art?
titovalasques 2 years ago
you're absolutely right...it's PART of the attraction. you have to ask yourself if what you appreciate about music is the technical prowess of the performance, or the music itself.
really, the schwarzonator is no different than a sampler. is playing a sampler live "cheating"?
some people spend more time on producing than practicing their live set. things like this give an avenue to those producers to play live. and if it's cheating to you, why use ableton at all?
sitcomsidekick 2 years ago
I would have to say that I appreciate both the music and the prowess.
All I'm saying is that it actually opens creative doors for anyone learning the theory behind notes and chords rather then just having it handed to you.
What if you felt that what this app was doing, didn't coincide with what was in your head?
Or am I still missing the point?
titovalasques 2 years ago
trust me, i understand your perspective. but after i started producing about 2 years ago, i realized that a good song is a good song, regardless of how it was produced or performed live.
and with all due respect, yes, i think you might be missing the point. if it doesn't coincide with what you're trying to achieve, then don't use it. but you have to understand that this app might benefit some, as well as allow those "creative doors" to be open to people who don't understand the music theory.
sitcomsidekick 2 years ago
this is amazing....i want max for live
markosstratos 2 years ago
it reminds me of chord memory on some synths except the chords fit into a predetermined scale. awesome.
TW909 2 years ago
very nice pluggggggggin
kanske92 2 years ago
as he said .. its for him and people who never learned play instrument ..
enefkei 2 years ago
i will not let a computer make the notes.
AnalFuckingCow 2 years ago
so you dont even use a DAW to produce?
deaddevil6 2 years ago
@deaddevil6 i use ableton live 8.
AnalFuckingCow 2 years ago
thats neat.
YesterdaysIDOL 2 years ago
Great!!!
dimitris108 2 years ago
hahahah this is hilarious. basically it is:
"something to make music for someone who just never learned to play music"
just learn the damn music.
cavalier777 2 years ago
@cavalier777 i never find a book that helped me learn music. plese tell me one. do i really have to make a fucking uni study?
AnalFuckingCow 2 years ago
alright, I personally started from piano, so my approach is pretty stereotypical, but it's a very solid way to start:
I used the faber and faber series of piano books when I was young, and later I played a lot of Chopin and Uematsu arrangements. After that, listen to jazz musicians and try to learn that. You'll pick up all you need to make electro & w/e.
Remember that this has been a 12-year process for me, so just stick with it and you'll have it.
cavalier777 2 years ago
@cavalier777 ok thanks
AnalFuckingCow 2 years ago
Nice , thanks 4 the Prog...
sahlla1 2 years ago
this patch is really good for people who doesn't know the musical theory or instrument. But for the real player, it just a joke.
togor 2 years ago
cheers mate.
I hope to see some more Max for Live creations like this one here.
seratoloquetuquiera 2 years ago
Why all the hate? You all seem to play an instrument, learned it from the ground. Good for you.
This guy put quite some effort into this tool, and maybe we get some really good music out of it, by people who didn't had the blessing of the path you walked. Did you pay for your lessons, or your dad?
If you ask me what to change in music today, I'd say kill autotune, not some new approaches. Experimenting is ALWAYS good. If it was for guys like you, we wouldn't have Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
aberrossi 2 years ago 5
without guys like us, nothing from classical to metal solos would exist.
cavalier777 2 years ago
You are SOOOOO stuck to what this plugin is able to show you when you're not able to play something in real time and change it at the spur of the moment. It really hurts my brain to watch all this effort go into such a dead end streat project. And the music generated is actually completely retarded wheel chair music. No offense meant at wheels, chairs nor the people who is less lucky in life than me but this is one wof the worst attempts at making music I've ever seen or heard.
heyawhaw 2 years ago
HAHAHA! What an ass backwards way of doing something very simple. Get ONE book on harmony like 300 pages on basic chords and scales and in three months you will fly in circles around the approach shown here. Then do some ear training, which half of the job is already done for this guy since he knows what sounds good already. Add note reading if you see some obvious benefit for what you do, communicating or digging up old books
Cool he made the plugin work but sorry, it's not the way to do it
heyawhaw 2 years ago
could you give a book example? :)
AnalFuckingCow 2 years ago
Everyone who is saying that he has probably learnt a lot from making this plugin is missing the point. People will rely on things like this in the future, and end up knowing very little about what they are actually doing. If in 10 years time everyone was using this software, and then you took it away from all of them and told them to make a good tune, chances are they would not have a clue of what they were doing.
OscoCaster 2 years ago
i think if you can't name music notes, you shouldn't be in this business. after all, this is the "MUSIC" industry. sorry to break the news, but for those who are so hyped up by this go learn some basic music skills and avoid this all together.
andremzk 2 years ago
Dude! - I don't tell many people this but I think I love you!
davezuls 2 years ago
I can't believe the negative responses. In order to program this he had to learn the scales, the chords. What he has done is very clever and in the process of writing this plugin he will have discovered more about music theory that most of these critics know, and best of all he taught himself.
Good on you mate, that's awesome
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SimbosanYT 2 years ago 3
I'm sorry but I can't approve of this. Learn an instrument if you can, hard work pays off
csscplayer 2 years ago
if this guy donated 10 percent of his programming time to learning about music, he wouldn't be so ignorant
kabr 2 years ago
He sure doesn't have the "musician's talk", but I think you'd be surprised by what he has learned about music, chords and progressions by doing this.
By the way, if you ever had high level composition classes, you learn that some of these progressions and scales are pure mathematics, which allows programming to generate actual music (you still have to program it, obviously).
Cheers.
LeviFig 2 years ago
Ableton Live Hero coming soon for PS3/XBOX360/Wii
andreanjos 2 years ago 14
What a wonderful patch! So clever.
A really easy was to get a good run without having to sit down and write it. This would be great to get ideas quickly.
danxl5 2 years ago
That;s so awesome.
tobylawrence 2 years ago
Sehr Spass aber ,
You would think that after one went through programming the patch you would then ultimately start to understand note/chord progressions.
There is something to be said for fumbling through playing/trying out different combinations of notes by ear.......
Kkidzz 2 years ago
genelec monitors, very nice ( and expensive) taste.
andrew0596 2 years ago
how stupid is this!!!!???!??!!!
shit... the guy refuses to call them scales... no no no... "chord sets"!!!
i mean... its not that hard dude... you dont really need to know theory to understand chords and progressions...
and if there just not coming to you naturally then maybe you should just give it up...
rant rant rant
cobwebpulsarnet 2 years ago 6
does that really bother you that much, the guy in the beginning of the video said he has never learned any instrument or officially taken lessons doucher
tiLberede 2 years ago
this is amazing and also the ultimate cheat !
spankazoid 2 years ago 3