If this truly generates more energy than what is put in, then why not build upon it and hook it up to a steam engine that can generate enough electricity to keep itself running AND provide the excess to us as a source of electricity? Seeing as it hasn't been done, I assume that this is incorrect, and that it's not over 100% efficient. Then again, the laws of physics have essentially just been shattered recently by the incident at CERN.
And western people say that Chinese are the lower educated part of the human beings...... Any Chinese who has graduated from junior high knows ¨The law of conservation of energy¨ that ¨Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another¨. Yet here they are using youtube to convince I-don´t-know-who that they are 70% more brilliant than Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.
a small electric motor that motor was atleast a 5kw.
if they were getting 150% out they would link it to a steam turbine and never pay an electric bill again. for them to have greater output than input they would have to be making something cold. enthalpy and georotation are the only possible "free" energy concepts because they pull from useless energy.
I could make this perpetual because you can use the steam to power the unit after you spin it up with the electric motor. Energy is not a universal constant in that the rate of changestate is not constant. According to the hyperdimentional physics model, over unity is not only possible but a given.
this seams to be able to very quickly heat water due to friction
however i fear that the hole-turbine-thing gets worn down and might introduce tiny metal-particles in the water stream which could make for a dangerous health risque.
For a closed circuit heating system it could be useful if the maintenance isn't too high
if the rule of conservation of energy holds then it is assumed that the universe is a closed system (means: it has borders...which raises the question: borders relative to what?). the energy which can be used by humanity can be in- as well as decreased. this is quite different from telling that energy in all of it's forms (and what isn't energy...nothing) cannot be destroyed nor produced.
I think it is about friction. But it is very confusing and paradoxal as it seems to obey something else than the conservation of energy, or at least it looks like it does. That's why I still don't understand it all.
@benny1473 OMG :/ electricity is not fuel , Any fuel converts, chemical potential energy contained in the fuel into some other form of energy such as heat to make electricity.
Electricity is not a substance so contains no chemical potential energy.
However sometimes it is produced using fuels. It doesn't count as a fuel because it is a form of energy - electrical energy.
@maumatos you must not know where electricity comes from then. Unless you have your own solar or hydro plant to provide the startup motor with energy it comes from the outlet. Which comes from the power plant which uses Fuel to create that electricity whether it's coal, gas or nuke. A small point but its important.
Supposedly this machine could provide its own energy to run the motor "after" it has been started but it will still use a very small amount of grid, or self provided electricity.
@Loganthered1 1 you are missing my point here I was responding benny1473 comments (it uses electricity,,,, its not fuelless...) BY DEFINITION electricity is not considered fuel ( However sometimes it is produced using fuels. It doesn't count as a fuel because it is a form of energy - electrical energy. ) NOT MY WORDS just Google it. you can use fuel to make electricity, but electricity is not FUEL BY ITSELF. that what the title means. NO FUEL, (chemical fuel wood gas etc )
This gizmo may not generate any greenhouse gases, but the power required to turn it does. This video was uploaded in 2006, and here we are 6 years later with nothing further to show other than this hype.
Nothing is for free. Listen to that spinning up motor, it has just raised your energy bill by 100$. Free energy just doesn't exist! Stop trying to bullshit about free energy sources, the whole universe is about energy transfers.
What is it about YouTube that attracts idiots with the mental capacity of a pot plant to post drivel about things that can be disproved in two minutes via Google.
The heating effect of cavitation has been documented for over 100 years and the amount of power used to turn this pump is 4-5 times that used if you just used an ordinary resistance heater.
probably does have more output as water force has energy itself. or does water not have mass? you are not using electricity to pump water in and extra energy is from water, as well as a little to loss to friction, heat, etc, etc.
the reason why this device produces 70% more energy than it consumes is because its releasing the energy potential stored in the water. Its not "over symmetry" its just an engine that powered by water.
@OpinionsofDave It is neither a "an engine that powered by water" or "releasing the energy potential stored in the water". It is converting energy from the electric motor into heat and steam. Their is absolutely no way to scavenge 100% of that heat and steam energy and loop it back into the system without loss.
i assume thes machine cannot produce steam for long periods of time, the center of the cylinder must be getting very cold as the outer ring gets very hot. as the center cools it will spread to the outer ring and the machine will no long produce steam...
@couchkilla its using the centrigul force of the water to evaporate the water in the center and then condense it at the outer ring this uses phase change cooling to pull the stored energy in the mass of the steel cylinder to transfer it to the water
@deltaklik Exactly what I was thinking. If it has 70% more energy coming out than going in, then have it power itself on a steam turbine instead of an electric motor, and use the extra 70% energy to run other things for free. Right... sounds as silly as it is. If it worked like that, then utilities would be building these things everywhere.
Someone should send a copy of this drivel to the myth busters.
@deltaklik well the thing is it has to be started somehoe so maby if he had the electric motor run for a shot second by a solar power capasitor, that way as soon as the this is running it can become a neverending steam powered heater...
@RubertaLang You come across as the most intelligent one here, so yeah you go ahead and say what you've got to say. You apparently failed grammar but that's probably all. You seem very intelligent otherwise.
I'm not saying who wrote the post BUT: mad should be made, thermodinamics should be thermodynamics, oh, and stong should be strong. The one who posted those mispellings educated?. HHMMmm, you be the judge.
@wolfe1970 Exactly right. Cause it's totally bogus. Some idiot with too much spare time. Some hillbilly put his hand in front of the valve and says "DAMN JIM BOB! THAT SHIT RIGHT THERE IS HOT!" and they assumed that it must be more than the electricity going in because the wires to the motor aren't that hot.
@psiewert83 yes everyone knows ,everything that can be invented already has , must be nice to be the smartest guys in the room UNLESS YOU ARE WRONG BUT ATLEAST YOU LOOK COOL..
It's called cavitation, simply a reverse of of what pump designers want for the reason is it's a very destructive problem. But in theory it makes a lot of sense because it's a very efficient way of making steam.
Well superman all that education mad you a jerk. I have a very stong background in thermodinamics. family tree the ones that stood and laughed at the wright brothers are living through you. I can assure you there are machines that total out put is more than goes in. It does not create it. it picks up surrounding energy in the process. through the heat of compression latent heat of evaporation. We are surrounded by energy since the beggining of time. Be nice because you dont know shit. superman
@slushjoe BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are SUCH a moron! "stong background in thermodynamics" MY ASS, hahahaha. Go play you "Wright Brother", hahahaha! Idiot.
THIS IS HILARIOUS! Do people actually believe this crap?! - OH! Wait a minute, I forgot this is U-Tube land where the law of conservation does not exist and Ideal engines and perpetual energy do, sorry, my bad . . .
Wait... So if they made this thing run off steam and used its produced steam to create electrical current, you would have free energy that's output is essentially infinity?
My best guest is that he's using a three phase electric motor and measuring the DC voltage and current. DC input power is P=amps*volts. However 3 phase AC power is, P_3phase = amps*volts*1.73.
Energy don't come from nowhere. We just have'nt figured out where it come from yet and to say something is impossible based on what we "know" is just plain stupied. In time even our precious physical "laws" will be overturned. Thats how science works.
its easy, the churning of the water produces cavitation which in turn heats up the water. Go to any fire dept and have them run their pump on the engine with the pump closed, that water will boil in the pump. As to the effeciency of it, you are measuring different things, when water turns to steam it expands roughly 1700 hundred times its original volume so running it through a turbine in a closed system should make alot of power.
Really? This isn't perpetual energy, its simple, the water is a fuel in this instance, you cant do this in a cycle it would never work, period. I would love it if it did work but thats not how it works, odd that there's a debate over this matter, if you think you can make it work go become an overnight billionaire.
very sad to see that many tha have studied "a degree in physics" their minds stuck....what a waste of time.yes its free energy what about our sun? most of it gets lost in outspace
@goodeyes2c Our sun gets energy from the hydrogen fuel inside it. When that runs out, the sun will stop working.
Meanwhile, my "degree in physics" is not necessary to see that this moron is wasting time making idiotic YouTube videos for morons instead of cruising the world in his yacht paid for by the free energy created by his invention.
The world is doomed if this is the level of non-thinking humans have achieved.
Perhaps we were just unable to tap into the full potential of the energy we were taking and by using this method, the energy is being used more efficiently.
so basically if you use electricity from the grid to power your water hammer, then what your really doing is heating water to power the turbine which generates the electricity to then power your water hammer to heat water. HEAT WATER TO HEAT WATER.
@UtubeFavourites The way i understood it is that the water hammer does NOT heat the water with any heating elements, it heats up the water by rotating at a high speed. Therefore, you're really taking energy from the grid to power a small motor which turns the turbine which produces steam, which may power another turbine. The transfer of energy from the grid to the second turbine may actually increase the efficiency of the energy in a sense... Gaining momentum or something like that.
puts out more energy than it uses????? come on now.... all I can say is what Joe Pesci said in his movie "My Cousin Vinny" ..."are you telling us that your grits cook faster than everyone else's in the entire grit eating world? or do the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove?"
Great idea and I know a guy that used something like this to heat a 30 x 40 pole shed all winter with the cost of a 60w light bulb. His brother is an electrician and tweaked the motor some how but it works great.
One more thing. If you think you can prove free energy exists, it would be worth your time to make sure the idea can follow the scientific method. The scientific method is what separates fact from opinion. And if an idea goes public, peer review is what separates crack pots from scientists. The scientific method is where the free energy ideas go to die. Prove the conservation of energy wrong, and I'll support you.
You should just let it go. Stick to things that have been understood for centuries and let others write the textbooks of the future. Why do you think the guy who invented the car that runs on water is dead? Why do you think this guy is selling his units for 30 grand each but only to refineries and giant companies, and they are telling the "consumer" that it's not feasible for household use? Why isn't the 300 mpg car from the late 60s being sold today? How come that guy's not famous and rich
@Superman83271 Well then you shouldn't have any difficulty defeating the laws of physics for your own use, would you? You don't have to go public. Just use it for yourself. I think it would be great if you proved these theories instead of posting opinions.
@xamboozi What I'm saying is I don't think it's defeating the laws of physics, and I AM putting some things together. The machine is consuming a fuel. Just because it's water, and water is free, everyone has to come out against the possibility. You go ahead and stick with things that are already well "understood." Let others try new things who aren't stuck in the textbooks. How do you people think anything new ever gets invented? Good grief why don't you make one to prove it doesn't work?
New things are invented by people who have a good understanding of basic concepts of chemistry, physics, biology, mathematics, astrology and go on to explore new theories. Something you seem to lack.
@fanmanabc Like I said, just stick to things that are already known. It's clear that if something is not taught in a university or written in a textbook, you are not open to it. You are doing a service here in any case. It seems like every great invention needs an educated nay-sayer to validate it.
Nice argument (sarcasm, in case you missed it), did you even read the article before you started typing? You know what, since you're so fond of this "invention", why don't you put your life savings on this thing to back it up. Invest in it, see how far you'll go. Go ahead. If not, STFU cause you have absolutely ZERO validity in your arguments. Did you even falsify ANY of my arguments? NO. Now troll somewhere else.
I am not investing my life's savings into this guy's company, but I did invest my own time and supplies in a prototype. I am heating 600 sf using about 1 amp at 110v. Outside temp is 28 degrees F. Inside is 68. One double pane window about 24 x 48 aluminum frame. 2x4 walls with R19 Fiberglass, half inch sheathing and drywall, vinyl siding, 1961 home. This area has 3 walls exposed and one wall attached to the interior of the house. Water freezes on the windowsill otherwise. What have you built?
Got my pilots license, going to university on a full scholarship studying premed. Your point? Seriously, good for you, you know how to renovate a house, yet you can't seem to comprehend simple physics. Why wouldn't you invest in his company? Like you said, he creates energy right? That's gotta be worth BILLIONS! What are you waiting for? I know why. Cause you know you're WRONG, and too ashamed to admit you are wrong. Isn't that one lesson we teach children? Admitting one's fault.
@fanmanabc I did not rennovate a house. I said I was heating a 600 sf area using less than 200 watts. I went on to give relevant data about the accomplishment including the inside and outside temperatures, and the type of wall and insulation, window, etc. I made a heater. To me, it works. To you, it doesn't. I would guess it's the same with this guy's water heater. For him, it apparently works. To you and others, it's a waste.
Did you read what you typed? "What have you built?" Suggests you built what you were describing. Instead should have been "What have you done/accomplished" And I could seriously give a rats ass about how you can heat 600 sf. You used energy to heat, well withing the laws of physics. What you support does not. Seriously, I'm not gonna argue with a 44year old troll who thinks he's right even though he can't comprehend basic physics let alone English.
@fanmanabc Once an inventor comes up with something that works, getting it into production and on the market is extremely difficult. The "overnight superstar" thing turns out to be a pipe dream in almost all cases. A revolutionary product does not automatically equate to billions of dollars. The 300mpg car I mentioned was a mid-size production car that was converted using technology of the day, I think it was late 60s or early 70s. It's in a museum now I think, I'll double check that.
I already double checked your "300 mpg" car in an earlier post. And guess what? You were wrong again. The thing is, this DOES NOT WORK. You say that this machine somehow meets the "harmonic frequency of water", you know what that is? Its 22Ghz, something that this machine is unable to reach. There goes your hypothesis. Drop it, this machine has already been debunked. Go find something else to troll on, cause face it, you have nothing to argue. Sad 44 year old troll.
@fanmanabc If you wouldn't mind smack talking this invention, you seem well educated enough to be a real nay-sayer, I would appreciate it. See, if we all agree, then we're all kooks. If we have a nay-sayer, then we're Thomas Edison.
Well it seems like you have nothing to argue. Insult all you want, but in the end you still fail........failed physics I'm guessing too? I would love to see some of your answers to questions regarding conservation of energy. Oh wait, you'd just pull energy right out of your ass.
@fanmanabc I am not trying to insult you. Your education is conventional and real. Your educated pessimism absolutely genuinely makes this thing that much more awesome.
@Superman83271 Because if you never read a book, you're reinventing the wheel. It makes more sense to read the book and prove it wrong, then to never read the book at all. How does illiteracy and ignorance produce creativity?
I'm not against reading the books. I did have chemistry and physics in college, and I got good marks although I didn't major in either. I believe in reading the books and still being open to something that might challenge an old law or an old idea. Trying new things is good education. Textbooks are written by people. How do I know those people tried everything? Maybe there is a configuration they didn't try.
@zamboozi To answer your question "How does illiteracy and ignorance produce creativity?" It doesn't. However, there have been illiterate and ignorant people who have produced creativity, but I don't believe the creativity actually came from the illiteracy or the ignorance. I think the person had some creativity that was able to come out even though he/she was illiterate and ignorant.
When I said "stuck in the textbooks" I didn't mean you shouldn't use them. I just meant what I said.
@xamboozi I think the innovators are being ignored because their results challenge the status quo. It is that simple and too obvious for those with book smarts to comprehend simple tmesurable results. Of course there are PhD physicists that have been derided right out of their own profession because their ideas were far too innovative and challenged the old boys club. The Math works for most of these innovations, they just need those stuck in concrete to investigate instead of knee jerk denial.
@Superman83271 I believe that the major driving factor in innovation is money and not true innovation. That would serve as a strong rationale to avoid accepting new strange technologies. A water powered car? It very well may be possible, but think of the cataclysmic effects that would have on the oil based economy. This "water pump" clearly works, but there will be great resistance. There is also the Alumina in water that produces hydrogen as the Aluminium oxidizes which frees hydrogen.
@PatheticHero It's refreshing to get a reply from someone who is open to a new idea when it makes sense. People feel so compelled to jump up and proclaim the world must be flat because it's already "understood." It's basic physics. The world is flat, then you get into more advanced stuff like where the edge might be, and what kind of sea monsters might be waiting below the edge to eat up the ships that sail off the edge. People who say it's round are missing the most elementary basic part!
By the 300mpg car, I think you mean the " three-wheeled, 300 MPG concept car that looks like it was lifted from a '60s science fiction flick" LOL (ctrl+f, search for "Aperta")
popsci.typepad.com/popsci/automotive_tech/
Seriously, don't try to pull stuff out of your ass. If you were so into this guy's idea, you would have taken the time and visited his website. Nowhere does it advertise over 100%+ efficiency, cause you CAN'T.
As well, cars cannot run on water per se. Water cars, AKA hydrogen cars runs by decomposing water into hydrogen and oxygen (off-site). The hydrogen is stored in tanks, then used as fuel to create electricity which is then used to power the car.
You people remind me of Harold Camping, the guy who kept insisting the end of the world was here because the bible "Guarantees It". Then the day comes and goes and he KEEPS INSISTING the end is here.
No amount of common sense or high school science or fully understood principles of mechanical engineering will change your mind.
Meanwhile, this video is almost 6 years old and the guy is making more videos instead of changing the world.
You know what? I give up. You folks WANT to be ignorant.
@JustDiploid No one on here understands what scientists do. They prove or disprove theories. Instead of these people posting opinions on things they don't understand, their time would be better spent understanding them completely and then proving these age old theories wrong with cold hard science. Free energy is a conspiracy? Prove it. If it works, they wont need our approval, they'll just enjoy the benefits of free energy.
What if the frequency of these holes spinning by matches some kind of harmonic that heats the water more efficiently than for instance using the "brute force" method of say a heating element? It's not making energy from nothing. It's consuming water. Water happens to be a fuel that will re-condense back into water as a function of ambient temperature if your return pipe is long enough, but I kind of like that idea. It doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.
It doesn't consume water. Definition of consume in this case: To expend; use up.
The total amount of water put in will equal the amount of steam released. Plus, that was not what this system was designed to do. Visit his website, it clearly states that it's used to heat water (not make energy), convert liquids to gas, gas to liquids. Cavitation has been used for ages, it's not an old technology. How to you think homologous milk stays homologous?
You could spin a diesel engine dry, and when you take away the power source, it would stop. However, when you feed diesel in, the machine heats the diesel beyond its flash point, it expands and provides its energy. Same with this thing. Spinning it dry doesn't produce any excess energy. Put water in, and the machine heats it beyond its exploding point (into steam) and more energy comes off than is required to spin the machine. It doesn't seem that complicated.
@Superman83271 It doesn't work that way. The energy required to make the steam MUST ALWAYS be more than the energy in the resulting steam. You can't pour a liter of water into an empty bucket and end up with two liters in the bucket.
Energy IN equals energy OUT. When you use energy to make steam, the steam contains exactly that amount of energy and no more.
This is grade school level science. It's embarrassing that so many people don't know this, and it's why China is handing us our own ass.
@JustDiploid What I am saying is with this machine we are using water as a fuel, the same as we are using diesel as a fuel in the diesel engine. With this contraption, they don't have the steam cycled back into a turbine to spin the rotor the way the expanding diesel fuel is directed to spin the crank to produce the next cycle, but if they did, why wouldn't it work? In the steam there is heat energy, but as it changes to steam there is also physical expansion that can make kinetic energy.
@Superman83271 It won't work because the maximum amount of kinetic energy you can get out of the system cannot be greater than the energy the motor put in the system in the first place.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Yes, it makes steam. Yes steam expands. Yes, you can recover kinetic energy from that. But NO the total recovered energy is NEVER more than you put in. You can't take 5 apples out of a box that contains only 4 no matter how many times you say you can.
I'm not trying to be right. I'm asking this question: We have two liquids. Diesel, and water. Both expand suddenly when they reach a certain temperature. Diesel can be brought past that temperature by compression. This guy has invented a machine that brings water to that temperature in a different mechanical fashion. Why is that so hard for you to understand? It's not energy from nothing. It's consuming a fuel. To insist it's over-unity and it can't work you just have to be a nay-sayer
@Superman83271 It doesn't matter by what fashion the water is converted to steam. The mechanism cannot release more energy than what was put in.
Let me ask you this cuz I've asked repeatedly and instead of an answer, I get the same runaround.
If this works, he can sell energy to his neighbors at zero cost to him. Scale up and he can sell energy to his whole city at zero cost to him. This will make him the richest man on Earth.
Why is he making videos in his crappy shop instead?
Again, water is not fuel. Electricity is the fuel in the system. It is what drives the whole system. Take electricity away, system stops. Diesel has stored energy, 45.4 MJ/kg it outputs more energy because it has stored energy. Guess what water's is? 0.001 MJ/kg. Your comparison does not work. Thank you, come again.
@Superman83271 You all keep acting like expanding steam is something new. The energy dynamics of steam have been FULLY understood by scientists for 200 years. The equations that govern heat vs steam expansion energy are taught to every first year mechanical engineering student. This is baby science. Those equations allowed engineers to invent steam locomotives 200 years ago!
This thing can't work, and the reasons have been fully understood for 200 years. Educate yourself. Google Carnot Cycle.
@JustDiploid You keep saying it won't work because it's understood that it can't work. Nobody tried heating water in this way until now. It's ok. You don't have to get one.
@Superman83271 Nobody is going to get one because it doesn't work. That is why he posted this in 2006 and is still making crappy videos in his crappy shop instead of becoming the richest man on Earth selling energy at half the cost of the local power company.
Heating via cavitation has been around for awhile already. An article to end this argument entirely. These people promoting their products are making false claims.
rexresearch(dot)com/frenette/frenette.htm
For this exact company too. Who's the arrogant one now?
That is where you're wrong, water is not the fuel. There is no exergonic chemical reaction taking place. The ONLY thing, and I say again, the ONLY thing happening is the conversion of kinetic energy in the form of agitation (from beating the water) to the physical change of water from liquid to gas. NO CHEMICAL RXN is taking place. Your idea of water as fuel is false. Water CAN be used as fuel when you decompose it into hydrogen and oxygen and use the hydrogen as in electric cars
@CrudeDude Im thinking that they meant to say this produces steam 70% more efficiently than traditional methods. I would think that would be reasonable or at least more possible than creating more energy than it uses. Maybe when this video was made there was a misunderstanding by the narrator or writer and thats why it claims what it does.
@JustDiploid Sorry bud, but your wrong. in the uk we have house heat pumps, pipes are layed around under the garden and the pumped liquid is compressed, The heat is released from the compression to the house. The cost of running the pump is lower than using the same gas/ oil boiler. (for the same output).More KW heat than KW electricity used.
@RICHLES01 That means it's EFFICIENT, not that it creates energy from nothing. Otherwise, why would there by any "cost of running the pump"? If it makes more energy than you need to buy to run it in the first place, then it would cost you nothing and you could make money selling the excess.
And it's "you're" not "your". Where did you go to skool?
Go to google, type in "steam turbines". Sit there, read the whole article. Sound familiar? This video is the exact reverse process. Too lazy to explain why your argument is wrong. I've been going through every argument you have written so far and debunked them. I see a trend appearing, do you?
Just because it claims to create more energy than it uses doesn't mean anything would be free.
Thermal units out is greater then thermal units in.In order to prove it in a way most of you would understand,it would take a way to harness the energy out in a machine that is just as efficient as the pump.....meaning....if the way you harness and measure the energy is less efficient than the source,you would be fooled into thinking the source is inefficient. Not sayin you're right or wrong.
There is no such thing as magical "free" energy. The energy is coming from another source, you just didn't put that energy in by any mechanics. For example, in this contraption there IS extra mechanical energy being brought in simply by the water flow introduced into the system.
I called the company that sells this now, they only sell for oil/ fuel refinery, they say it is too expensive for use as a boiler, they sell it for 30,000! I don't get it if I had one it would work great as a backup for my wood boiler or to preheat my wood boiler so I would always have instant hot water in the system/ it takes wood about an hour to get the water up to 200f
i dont think u guys quite understand how this works. if you had any brainsyou would realize that the heater uses friction to create the heat as opposed to a norman boiler which uses electricity for heat.
so yeah its not energy free but it sure is a hell of a lot more efficient than a regualr boiler
@lookhowcoolmynameis THIS I might believe. The thing might be more efficient than other methods of heating water. But that's a far cry from what people here are claiming that it's an over-unity machine.
What is IS NOT doing is making more energy than is put in by the electric motor. That's magic, not real life.
If it made more energy than is put in, the guy would have gotten rich by now selling energy that costs him nothing to produce. Instead, he's making YouTube videos. Ask yourself why.
@JustDiploid I don't see it as being very hard to believe that there is more energy coming out as heat or steam than the energy required to spin the rotor. The water going in could be thought of as a fuel. A diesel engine heats the diesel by compression to the point that it suddenly expands (explodes), producing more energy than is needed to spin the engine. In this case, water is being heated to the point it suddenly expands as well. It's not that hard for me to believe.
@Superman83271 A diesel engine compresses the fuel-air load with the energy that came from the diesel fuel burned in the previous compression cycle. The energy comes from the combustion of diesel fuel.
It is not possible to create energy from nowhere. I can't believe I have to even explain this to people.
If this thing made more energy than was put in, the guy could sell it at zero cost to him and change the world. Why is he making videos instead? Because it doesn't work.
You just proved yourself wrong. Diesel COMBUST, water EXPANDS. Guess which yields more energy? LOL Not gonna repeat myself. Water is not fuel............ ~face palm
If overunity was possible, we'd see examples of it in nature. Maybe we just haven't observed such examples. Keep an open mind. Remember, people once thought the earth was flat, the speed of sound unbreakable, and light the speed limit of the universe. Lets hope CERN's LHC's instruments are correct...
so why couldn't they use this output energy (steam) to run a steam engine that turns a generator that in turn powers the motor that powers the pump?? Is it because overunity is impossible?????? hmmmmmmmmm
@Key3812 This is not true. The net result is over-unity if you add together the amount of energy required to both heat and pump the water. The net amount of energy put in is less than the energy gained from both outputs, heat and kinetic energy.
I have a similar device at home. All I do is pour water in it and add heat and the water is transformed into steam! I doesn't make any greenhousgases! :-)
Highly efficient? Okay, I could go with that. Output greater than input? Close the loop, make the steam power the motor that drives it, and then we'll talk.
@UncleFexxer regardless if its a closed loop, it has a higher output than input. has over a 100% power factor. that is over unity. doesn't say it runs itself. it transfers energy from state to state, more than efficient.... then we'll talk... who are you? the energy police or the physics police? you learned real good science in High school i'm sure.
@UncleFexxer I agree with you, if this claim actually had any credibility, it would be all over the news in every country, but it will never happen because it is impossible. Maybe they measured the thermal energy output while ignoring the fact that the water initially already had some thermal energy to start with, anything above absolute zero has thermal energy.
If this truly generates more energy than what is put in, then why not build upon it and hook it up to a steam engine that can generate enough electricity to keep itself running AND provide the excess to us as a source of electricity? Seeing as it hasn't been done, I assume that this is incorrect, and that it's not over 100% efficient. Then again, the laws of physics have essentially just been shattered recently by the incident at CERN.
RoninEnsse 16 hours ago
@RoninEnsse I was JUST about to ask exactly the same question.. ;)
2000jago 9 hours ago
And western people say that Chinese are the lower educated part of the human beings...... Any Chinese who has graduated from junior high knows ¨The law of conservation of energy¨ that ¨Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another¨. Yet here they are using youtube to convince I-don´t-know-who that they are 70% more brilliant than Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.
Macsloverd 1 day ago
a small electric motor that motor was atleast a 5kw.
if they were getting 150% out they would link it to a steam turbine and never pay an electric bill again. for them to have greater output than input they would have to be making something cold. enthalpy and georotation are the only possible "free" energy concepts because they pull from useless energy.
TAPriceCTR 1 day ago
bull crap
kuvuakoj 1 day ago
Anyone who believes in free energy/perpetual motion probably also believes in Santa and the Easter bunny 8-)
veronicathecow 3 days ago 6
here we go with the over-unity shit again.......yawn!
amphilex 3 days ago 3
Why don't they just use an electric heater with coils??? Same difference pretty much.
Bamazrollin 3 days ago
It sounds like bullshit to me...
piranauss 4 days ago 2
Why is this not available to the public?
dakoffran 4 days ago
I could make this perpetual because you can use the steam to power the unit after you spin it up with the electric motor. Energy is not a universal constant in that the rate of changestate is not constant. According to the hyperdimentional physics model, over unity is not only possible but a given.
imez4god 4 days ago
aside from the obviously bogus over-unity claim
this seams to be able to very quickly heat water due to friction
however i fear that the hole-turbine-thing gets worn down and might introduce tiny metal-particles in the water stream which could make for a dangerous health risque.
For a closed circuit heating system it could be useful if the maintenance isn't too high
unamaxify 4 days ago
if the rule of conservation of energy holds then it is assumed that the universe is a closed system (means: it has borders...which raises the question: borders relative to what?). the energy which can be used by humanity can be in- as well as decreased. this is quite different from telling that energy in all of it's forms (and what isn't energy...nothing) cannot be destroyed nor produced.
partonace 5 days ago
I think it is about friction. But it is very confusing and paradoxal as it seems to obey something else than the conservation of energy, or at least it looks like it does. That's why I still don't understand it all.
Riskteven 5 days ago
I don't think I would want anything a hillbilly made. they know nothing.
TomBrown360 1 week ago
@TomBrown360 Your a fucking idiot. They know more than you think. Dumb ass!! Go back to what ever hole you came from.
4shacks1house 6 days ago
Bull shit, bull shit. bull shit. This is all bull shit
marcdepuma 1 week ago
it uses electricity,,,, its not fuelless...
benny1473 1 week ago 2
@benny1473 OMG :/ electricity is not fuel , Any fuel converts, chemical potential energy contained in the fuel into some other form of energy such as heat to make electricity.
Electricity is not a substance so contains no chemical potential energy.
However sometimes it is produced using fuels. It doesn't count as a fuel because it is a form of energy - electrical energy.
maumatos 6 days ago
@maumatos you must not know where electricity comes from then. Unless you have your own solar or hydro plant to provide the startup motor with energy it comes from the outlet. Which comes from the power plant which uses Fuel to create that electricity whether it's coal, gas or nuke. A small point but its important.
Supposedly this machine could provide its own energy to run the motor "after" it has been started but it will still use a very small amount of grid, or self provided electricity.
Loganthered1 6 days ago
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maumatos 6 days ago
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@Loganthered1 1 you are missing my point here I was responding benny1473 comments (it uses electricity,,,, its not fuelless...) BY DEFINITION electricity is not considered fuel ( However sometimes it is produced using fuels. It doesn't count as a fuel because it is a form of energy - electrical energy. ) NOT MY WORDS just Google it. you can use fuel to make electricity, but electricity is not FUEL BY ITSELF. that what the title means. NO FUEL, (chemical fuel wood gas etc )
maumatos 6 days ago
this video looks like it could be from the 80's.
SynthEnslaved 1 week ago
So use some solar to turn that thing and you have a descent idea. Even for a hotwater on demand system this could have some market to it.
RavenMad101 1 week ago
This gizmo may not generate any greenhouse gases, but the power required to turn it does. This video was uploaded in 2006, and here we are 6 years later with nothing further to show other than this hype.
cxoot 1 week ago in playlist FREE ENERGY
How much energy do you think it takes to run the well-pump to pump the water in there at such a high pressure?
gwanga13 1 week ago
Could they then use some of that steam to spin up a fly wheel turbine and shut off the electric motor?
thehappyinfidel2011 1 week ago 3
Why arnt they selling thees things at Home Depot?
alec4672 1 week ago
@alec4672 I don't think its real because it would be much more popular.
Alxjeffs 1 week ago
Nothing is for free. Listen to that spinning up motor, it has just raised your energy bill by 100$. Free energy just doesn't exist! Stop trying to bullshit about free energy sources, the whole universe is about energy transfers.
Engineer9736 1 week ago 2
What is it about YouTube that attracts idiots with the mental capacity of a pot plant to post drivel about things that can be disproved in two minutes via Google.
The heating effect of cavitation has been documented for over 100 years and the amount of power used to turn this pump is 4-5 times that used if you just used an ordinary resistance heater.
SCAM,.....
ozzirt 1 week ago
@ozzirt Who knows, it is crazy though. The same idiots have taken over several of my videos (which became unlisted as a result).
Make a video about a generator or something and they flock to it. Only thing they do good is click ads.
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ThomasCampbell2012 1 week ago
you know that if it uses electricity that that becomes the fuel! this is not Fuel-less!
yimig 2 weeks ago 28
@yimig Electricity is a power supply not a fuel.
MonkeySaurusPants 6 days ago
@MonkeySaurusPants So, what s the big deal with this then, cause electric heaters have been around for a very long time.
darkjedifertile 5 days ago 2
@MonkeySaurusPants True but electricity is created with fuels!
SilvaDreams 5 days ago
@SilvaDreams well - fuel can be used specifically or in a more general sense.
partonace 5 days ago
probably does have more output as water force has energy itself. or does water not have mass? you are not using electricity to pump water in and extra energy is from water, as well as a little to loss to friction, heat, etc, etc.
upbeatanime 2 weeks ago
BACK TO STEAM POWER!!!
jsnyara 2 weeks ago
the reason why this device produces 70% more energy than it consumes is because its releasing the energy potential stored in the water. Its not "over symmetry" its just an engine that powered by water.
OpinionsofDave 2 weeks ago
@OpinionsofDave It is neither a "an engine that powered by water" or "releasing the energy potential stored in the water". It is converting energy from the electric motor into heat and steam. Their is absolutely no way to scavenge 100% of that heat and steam energy and loop it back into the system without loss.
K2Carbides 2 weeks ago
...That looks to be at least 25-30 horse motor...so there's 15-20 K watts..that's more than a 40 gallon electric water heater...
dougspair 3 weeks ago
i assume thes machine cannot produce steam for long periods of time, the center of the cylinder must be getting very cold as the outer ring gets very hot. as the center cools it will spread to the outer ring and the machine will no long produce steam...
couchkilla 3 weeks ago
@couchkilla its using the centrigul force of the water to evaporate the water in the center and then condense it at the outer ring this uses phase change cooling to pull the stored energy in the mass of the steel cylinder to transfer it to the water
couchkilla 3 weeks ago
I am sure there not measuring the energy it takes to pump the water into the machine.
mgoebel810 3 weeks ago
Why dont they let it run itself to prove what it's doin
deltaklik 4 weeks ago 27
@deltaklik Exactly what I was thinking. If it has 70% more energy coming out than going in, then have it power itself on a steam turbine instead of an electric motor, and use the extra 70% energy to run other things for free. Right... sounds as silly as it is. If it worked like that, then utilities would be building these things everywhere.
Someone should send a copy of this drivel to the myth busters.
Loraguy 3 weeks ago
@deltaklik well the thing is it has to be started somehoe so maby if he had the electric motor run for a shot second by a solar power capasitor, that way as soon as the this is running it can become a neverending steam powered heater...
kdwedge243 2 weeks ago
i would like to know more about their measurement for energy before making any conclusion.
elijahvivio1996 1 month ago
@RubertaLang You come across as the most intelligent one here, so yeah you go ahead and say what you've got to say. You apparently failed grammar but that's probably all. You seem very intelligent otherwise.
Superman83271 1 month ago
Total BS
dblotsky 1 month ago
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jocell202 2 weeks ago
I'm not saying who wrote the post BUT: mad should be made, thermodinamics should be thermodynamics, oh, and stong should be strong. The one who posted those mispellings educated?. HHMMmm, you be the judge.
surrynet 1 month ago
if this is true (more energy out than in) why doesnt everyone in the world have one ??
wolfe1970 1 month ago
@wolfe1970 Exactly right. Cause it's totally bogus. Some idiot with too much spare time. Some hillbilly put his hand in front of the valve and says "DAMN JIM BOB! THAT SHIT RIGHT THERE IS HOT!" and they assumed that it must be more than the electricity going in because the wires to the motor aren't that hot.
psiewert83 1 month ago
@psiewert83 yes everyone knows ,everything that can be invented already has , must be nice to be the smartest guys in the room UNLESS YOU ARE WRONG BUT ATLEAST YOU LOOK COOL..
lowslowflyer77 1 month ago
@lowslowflyer77 There is a pretty hefty line between inventing something and breaking the laws of physics.
psiewert83 1 month ago
It's called cavitation, simply a reverse of of what pump designers want for the reason is it's a very destructive problem. But in theory it makes a lot of sense because it's a very efficient way of making steam.
HinsonR1 1 month ago
Well superman all that education mad you a jerk. I have a very stong background in thermodinamics. family tree the ones that stood and laughed at the wright brothers are living through you. I can assure you there are machines that total out put is more than goes in. It does not create it. it picks up surrounding energy in the process. through the heat of compression latent heat of evaporation. We are surrounded by energy since the beggining of time. Be nice because you dont know shit. superman
slushjoe 1 month ago
@slushjoe BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are SUCH a moron! "stong background in thermodynamics" MY ASS, hahahaha. Go play you "Wright Brother", hahahaha! Idiot.
RubertaLang 1 month ago
THIS IS HILARIOUS! Do people actually believe this crap?! - OH! Wait a minute, I forgot this is U-Tube land where the law of conservation does not exist and Ideal engines and perpetual energy do, sorry, my bad . . .
nurfays123 1 month ago
@nurfays123
lol, pretty much sums it up
fanmanabc 1 month ago
Wait... So if they made this thing run off steam and used its produced steam to create electrical current, you would have free energy that's output is essentially infinity?
iLetDie 1 month ago
My best guest is that he's using a three phase electric motor and measuring the DC voltage and current. DC input power is P=amps*volts. However 3 phase AC power is, P_3phase = amps*volts*1.73.
No free energy here...
eyeammi 1 month ago
Energy don't come from nowhere. We just have'nt figured out where it come from yet and to say something is impossible based on what we "know" is just plain stupied. In time even our precious physical "laws" will be overturned. Thats how science works.
kaxitaksi 1 month ago
it's not fueless electricity is it's fuel
creedrulz6000 1 month ago
i think we need to rewrite natures laws
hahapwndable 1 month ago
its easy, the churning of the water produces cavitation which in turn heats up the water. Go to any fire dept and have them run their pump on the engine with the pump closed, that water will boil in the pump. As to the effeciency of it, you are measuring different things, when water turns to steam it expands roughly 1700 hundred times its original volume so running it through a turbine in a closed system should make alot of power.
leofiremedic 1 month ago
Really? This isn't perpetual energy, its simple, the water is a fuel in this instance, you cant do this in a cycle it would never work, period. I would love it if it did work but thats not how it works, odd that there's a debate over this matter, if you think you can make it work go become an overnight billionaire.
ShroomsNinja 1 month ago
very sad to see that many tha have studied "a degree in physics" their minds stuck....what a waste of time.yes its free energy what about our sun? most of it gets lost in outspace
goodeyes2c 1 month ago
@goodeyes2c Our sun gets energy from the hydrogen fuel inside it. When that runs out, the sun will stop working.
Meanwhile, my "degree in physics" is not necessary to see that this moron is wasting time making idiotic YouTube videos for morons instead of cruising the world in his yacht paid for by the free energy created by his invention.
The world is doomed if this is the level of non-thinking humans have achieved.
JustDiploid 1 month ago
Perhaps we were just unable to tap into the full potential of the energy we were taking and by using this method, the energy is being used more efficiently.
babaG819 1 month ago
so basically if you use electricity from the grid to power your water hammer, then what your really doing is heating water to power the turbine which generates the electricity to then power your water hammer to heat water. HEAT WATER TO HEAT WATER.
That must be 100% efficient...NOT
UtubeFavourites 1 month ago
@UtubeFavourites The way i understood it is that the water hammer does NOT heat the water with any heating elements, it heats up the water by rotating at a high speed. Therefore, you're really taking energy from the grid to power a small motor which turns the turbine which produces steam, which may power another turbine. The transfer of energy from the grid to the second turbine may actually increase the efficiency of the energy in a sense... Gaining momentum or something like that.
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subhankar8925 1 month ago 2
puts out more energy than it uses????? come on now.... all I can say is what Joe Pesci said in his movie "My Cousin Vinny" ..."are you telling us that your grits cook faster than everyone else's in the entire grit eating world? or do the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove?"
41357500 1 month ago
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subhankarwork 1 month ago
arn't we getting electricity from coal?
890buba 2 months ago
What's the power consumption of the electric motor that spins the system??????
GeorgeKM84 2 months ago
Yeah, right. Finish your elementary school physics first and then come back.
PenZon 2 months ago
Great idea and I know a guy that used something like this to heat a 30 x 40 pole shed all winter with the cost of a 60w light bulb. His brother is an electrician and tweaked the motor some how but it works great.
CowboyCustumz 2 months ago
One more thing. If you think you can prove free energy exists, it would be worth your time to make sure the idea can follow the scientific method. The scientific method is what separates fact from opinion. And if an idea goes public, peer review is what separates crack pots from scientists. The scientific method is where the free energy ideas go to die. Prove the conservation of energy wrong, and I'll support you.
xamboozi 2 months ago
You should just let it go. Stick to things that have been understood for centuries and let others write the textbooks of the future. Why do you think the guy who invented the car that runs on water is dead? Why do you think this guy is selling his units for 30 grand each but only to refineries and giant companies, and they are telling the "consumer" that it's not feasible for household use? Why isn't the 300 mpg car from the late 60s being sold today? How come that guy's not famous and rich
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271 Well then you shouldn't have any difficulty defeating the laws of physics for your own use, would you? You don't have to go public. Just use it for yourself. I think it would be great if you proved these theories instead of posting opinions.
xamboozi 2 months ago
@xamboozi What I'm saying is I don't think it's defeating the laws of physics, and I AM putting some things together. The machine is consuming a fuel. Just because it's water, and water is free, everyone has to come out against the possibility. You go ahead and stick with things that are already well "understood." Let others try new things who aren't stuck in the textbooks. How do you people think anything new ever gets invented? Good grief why don't you make one to prove it doesn't work?
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271
New things are invented by people who have a good understanding of basic concepts of chemistry, physics, biology, mathematics, astrology and go on to explore new theories. Something you seem to lack.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
@fanmanabc Like I said, just stick to things that are already known. It's clear that if something is not taught in a university or written in a textbook, you are not open to it. You are doing a service here in any case. It seems like every great invention needs an educated nay-sayer to validate it.
Superman83271 1 month ago
@Superman83271
Nice argument (sarcasm, in case you missed it), did you even read the article before you started typing? You know what, since you're so fond of this "invention", why don't you put your life savings on this thing to back it up. Invest in it, see how far you'll go. Go ahead. If not, STFU cause you have absolutely ZERO validity in your arguments. Did you even falsify ANY of my arguments? NO. Now troll somewhere else.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
I am not investing my life's savings into this guy's company, but I did invest my own time and supplies in a prototype. I am heating 600 sf using about 1 amp at 110v. Outside temp is 28 degrees F. Inside is 68. One double pane window about 24 x 48 aluminum frame. 2x4 walls with R19 Fiberglass, half inch sheathing and drywall, vinyl siding, 1961 home. This area has 3 walls exposed and one wall attached to the interior of the house. Water freezes on the windowsill otherwise. What have you built?
Superman83271 1 month ago
@Superman83271
Got my pilots license, going to university on a full scholarship studying premed. Your point? Seriously, good for you, you know how to renovate a house, yet you can't seem to comprehend simple physics. Why wouldn't you invest in his company? Like you said, he creates energy right? That's gotta be worth BILLIONS! What are you waiting for? I know why. Cause you know you're WRONG, and too ashamed to admit you are wrong. Isn't that one lesson we teach children? Admitting one's fault.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
@fanmanabc I did not rennovate a house. I said I was heating a 600 sf area using less than 200 watts. I went on to give relevant data about the accomplishment including the inside and outside temperatures, and the type of wall and insulation, window, etc. I made a heater. To me, it works. To you, it doesn't. I would guess it's the same with this guy's water heater. For him, it apparently works. To you and others, it's a waste.
Superman83271 1 month ago
@Superman83271
Did you read what you typed? "What have you built?" Suggests you built what you were describing. Instead should have been "What have you done/accomplished" And I could seriously give a rats ass about how you can heat 600 sf. You used energy to heat, well withing the laws of physics. What you support does not. Seriously, I'm not gonna argue with a 44year old troll who thinks he's right even though he can't comprehend basic physics let alone English.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
@fanmanabc Once an inventor comes up with something that works, getting it into production and on the market is extremely difficult. The "overnight superstar" thing turns out to be a pipe dream in almost all cases. A revolutionary product does not automatically equate to billions of dollars. The 300mpg car I mentioned was a mid-size production car that was converted using technology of the day, I think it was late 60s or early 70s. It's in a museum now I think, I'll double check that.
Superman83271 1 month ago
@Superman83271
I already double checked your "300 mpg" car in an earlier post. And guess what? You were wrong again. The thing is, this DOES NOT WORK. You say that this machine somehow meets the "harmonic frequency of water", you know what that is? Its 22Ghz, something that this machine is unable to reach. There goes your hypothesis. Drop it, this machine has already been debunked. Go find something else to troll on, cause face it, you have nothing to argue. Sad 44 year old troll.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
@fanmanabc If you wouldn't mind smack talking this invention, you seem well educated enough to be a real nay-sayer, I would appreciate it. See, if we all agree, then we're all kooks. If we have a nay-sayer, then we're Thomas Edison.
Superman83271 1 month ago
@Superman83271
Well it seems like you have nothing to argue. Insult all you want, but in the end you still fail........failed physics I'm guessing too? I would love to see some of your answers to questions regarding conservation of energy. Oh wait, you'd just pull energy right out of your ass.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
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@fanmanabc I am not trying to insult you. Your education is conventional and real. Your educated pessimism absolutely genuinely makes this thing that much more awesome.
Superman83271 1 month ago
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Superman83271 1 month ago
@Superman83271 Because if you never read a book, you're reinventing the wheel. It makes more sense to read the book and prove it wrong, then to never read the book at all. How does illiteracy and ignorance produce creativity?
xamboozi 3 weeks ago
I'm not against reading the books. I did have chemistry and physics in college, and I got good marks although I didn't major in either. I believe in reading the books and still being open to something that might challenge an old law or an old idea. Trying new things is good education. Textbooks are written by people. How do I know those people tried everything? Maybe there is a configuration they didn't try.
Superman83271 3 weeks ago
@Superman83271 "Textbooks are written by people." Brilliant.
drpaulforprez 2 weeks ago
@drpaulforprez The point is that people don't already know everything. I guess you missed that, doctor.
Superman83271 2 weeks ago
@zamboozi To answer your question "How does illiteracy and ignorance produce creativity?" It doesn't. However, there have been illiterate and ignorant people who have produced creativity, but I don't believe the creativity actually came from the illiteracy or the ignorance. I think the person had some creativity that was able to come out even though he/she was illiterate and ignorant.
When I said "stuck in the textbooks" I didn't mean you shouldn't use them. I just meant what I said.
Superman83271 3 weeks ago
@xamboozi I think the innovators are being ignored because their results challenge the status quo. It is that simple and too obvious for those with book smarts to comprehend simple tmesurable results. Of course there are PhD physicists that have been derided right out of their own profession because their ideas were far too innovative and challenged the old boys club. The Math works for most of these innovations, they just need those stuck in concrete to investigate instead of knee jerk denial.
PatheticHero 2 months ago
@Superman83271 I believe that the major driving factor in innovation is money and not true innovation. That would serve as a strong rationale to avoid accepting new strange technologies. A water powered car? It very well may be possible, but think of the cataclysmic effects that would have on the oil based economy. This "water pump" clearly works, but there will be great resistance. There is also the Alumina in water that produces hydrogen as the Aluminium oxidizes which frees hydrogen.
PatheticHero 2 months ago
@PatheticHero It's refreshing to get a reply from someone who is open to a new idea when it makes sense. People feel so compelled to jump up and proclaim the world must be flat because it's already "understood." It's basic physics. The world is flat, then you get into more advanced stuff like where the edge might be, and what kind of sea monsters might be waiting below the edge to eat up the ships that sail off the edge. People who say it's round are missing the most elementary basic part!
Superman83271 1 month ago
@Superman83271
By the 300mpg car, I think you mean the " three-wheeled, 300 MPG concept car that looks like it was lifted from a '60s science fiction flick" LOL (ctrl+f, search for "Aperta")
popsci.typepad.com/popsci/automotive_tech/
Seriously, don't try to pull stuff out of your ass. If you were so into this guy's idea, you would have taken the time and visited his website. Nowhere does it advertise over 100%+ efficiency, cause you CAN'T.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
@Superman83271
As well, cars cannot run on water per se. Water cars, AKA hydrogen cars runs by decomposing water into hydrogen and oxygen (off-site). The hydrogen is stored in tanks, then used as fuel to create electricity which is then used to power the car.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
You people remind me of Harold Camping, the guy who kept insisting the end of the world was here because the bible "Guarantees It". Then the day comes and goes and he KEEPS INSISTING the end is here.
No amount of common sense or high school science or fully understood principles of mechanical engineering will change your mind.
Meanwhile, this video is almost 6 years old and the guy is making more videos instead of changing the world.
You know what? I give up. You folks WANT to be ignorant.
JustDiploid 2 months ago
@JustDiploid No one on here understands what scientists do. They prove or disprove theories. Instead of these people posting opinions on things they don't understand, their time would be better spent understanding them completely and then proving these age old theories wrong with cold hard science. Free energy is a conspiracy? Prove it. If it works, they wont need our approval, they'll just enjoy the benefits of free energy.
xamboozi 2 months ago
@JustDiploid
AGREED lol. I took a look at his site. SHITTY for someone who claims to pull free energy out of his ass.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
Where can i purchase one of these to replace my home boiler
ladydeathz 2 months ago
What if the frequency of these holes spinning by matches some kind of harmonic that heats the water more efficiently than for instance using the "brute force" method of say a heating element? It's not making energy from nothing. It's consuming water. Water happens to be a fuel that will re-condense back into water as a function of ambient temperature if your return pipe is long enough, but I kind of like that idea. It doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271
It doesn't consume water. Definition of consume in this case: To expend; use up.
The total amount of water put in will equal the amount of steam released. Plus, that was not what this system was designed to do. Visit his website, it clearly states that it's used to heat water (not make energy), convert liquids to gas, gas to liquids. Cavitation has been used for ages, it's not an old technology. How to you think homologous milk stays homologous?
fanmanabc 1 month ago
You could spin a diesel engine dry, and when you take away the power source, it would stop. However, when you feed diesel in, the machine heats the diesel beyond its flash point, it expands and provides its energy. Same with this thing. Spinning it dry doesn't produce any excess energy. Put water in, and the machine heats it beyond its exploding point (into steam) and more energy comes off than is required to spin the machine. It doesn't seem that complicated.
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271 It doesn't work that way. The energy required to make the steam MUST ALWAYS be more than the energy in the resulting steam. You can't pour a liter of water into an empty bucket and end up with two liters in the bucket.
Energy IN equals energy OUT. When you use energy to make steam, the steam contains exactly that amount of energy and no more.
This is grade school level science. It's embarrassing that so many people don't know this, and it's why China is handing us our own ass.
JustDiploid 2 months ago 9
@JustDiploid What I am saying is with this machine we are using water as a fuel, the same as we are using diesel as a fuel in the diesel engine. With this contraption, they don't have the steam cycled back into a turbine to spin the rotor the way the expanding diesel fuel is directed to spin the crank to produce the next cycle, but if they did, why wouldn't it work? In the steam there is heat energy, but as it changes to steam there is also physical expansion that can make kinetic energy.
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271 It won't work because the maximum amount of kinetic energy you can get out of the system cannot be greater than the energy the motor put in the system in the first place.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Yes, it makes steam. Yes steam expands. Yes, you can recover kinetic energy from that. But NO the total recovered energy is NEVER more than you put in. You can't take 5 apples out of a box that contains only 4 no matter how many times you say you can.
JustDiploid 2 months ago
I'm not trying to be right. I'm asking this question: We have two liquids. Diesel, and water. Both expand suddenly when they reach a certain temperature. Diesel can be brought past that temperature by compression. This guy has invented a machine that brings water to that temperature in a different mechanical fashion. Why is that so hard for you to understand? It's not energy from nothing. It's consuming a fuel. To insist it's over-unity and it can't work you just have to be a nay-sayer
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271 It doesn't matter by what fashion the water is converted to steam. The mechanism cannot release more energy than what was put in.
Let me ask you this cuz I've asked repeatedly and instead of an answer, I get the same runaround.
If this works, he can sell energy to his neighbors at zero cost to him. Scale up and he can sell energy to his whole city at zero cost to him. This will make him the richest man on Earth.
Why is he making videos in his crappy shop instead?
JustDiploid 2 months ago
@Superman83271
Again, water is not fuel. Electricity is the fuel in the system. It is what drives the whole system. Take electricity away, system stops. Diesel has stored energy, 45.4 MJ/kg it outputs more energy because it has stored energy. Guess what water's is? 0.001 MJ/kg. Your comparison does not work. Thank you, come again.
fanmanabc 1 month ago
@Superman83271 You all keep acting like expanding steam is something new. The energy dynamics of steam have been FULLY understood by scientists for 200 years. The equations that govern heat vs steam expansion energy are taught to every first year mechanical engineering student. This is baby science. Those equations allowed engineers to invent steam locomotives 200 years ago!
This thing can't work, and the reasons have been fully understood for 200 years. Educate yourself. Google Carnot Cycle.
JustDiploid 2 months ago
@JustDiploid You keep saying it won't work because it's understood that it can't work. Nobody tried heating water in this way until now. It's ok. You don't have to get one.
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271 Nobody is going to get one because it doesn't work. That is why he posted this in 2006 and is still making crappy videos in his crappy shop instead of becoming the richest man on Earth selling energy at half the cost of the local power company.
Stop being so gullible.
JustDiploid 2 months ago
@Superman83271
Heating via cavitation has been around for awhile already. An article to end this argument entirely. These people promoting their products are making false claims.
rexresearch(dot)com/frenette/frenette.htm
For this exact company too. Who's the arrogant one now?
fanmanabc 1 month ago
@Superman83271
That is where you're wrong, water is not the fuel. There is no exergonic chemical reaction taking place. The ONLY thing, and I say again, the ONLY thing happening is the conversion of kinetic energy in the form of agitation (from beating the water) to the physical change of water from liquid to gas. NO CHEMICAL RXN is taking place. Your idea of water as fuel is false. Water CAN be used as fuel when you decompose it into hydrogen and oxygen and use the hydrogen as in electric cars
fanmanabc 1 month ago
Thanks JustDiploid. It seems these morons will never get the concept that there is NO FREE LUNCH!
CrudeDude 1 month ago
@CrudeDude Im thinking that they meant to say this produces steam 70% more efficiently than traditional methods. I would think that would be reasonable or at least more possible than creating more energy than it uses. Maybe when this video was made there was a misunderstanding by the narrator or writer and thats why it claims what it does.
cougardout 1 month ago
@JustDiploid Sorry bud, but your wrong. in the uk we have house heat pumps, pipes are layed around under the garden and the pumped liquid is compressed, The heat is released from the compression to the house. The cost of running the pump is lower than using the same gas/ oil boiler. (for the same output).More KW heat than KW electricity used.
RICHLES01 1 month ago in playlist Cavitation Heater
@RICHLES01 That means it's EFFICIENT, not that it creates energy from nothing. Otherwise, why would there by any "cost of running the pump"? If it makes more energy than you need to buy to run it in the first place, then it would cost you nothing and you could make money selling the excess.
And it's "you're" not "your". Where did you go to skool?
Jesus you people are stupid.
JustDiploid 1 month ago
@JustDiploid Think inside the box... that's how you fall behind.
babaG819 1 month ago
@JustDiploid Maybe the energy is just being transfered more efficiently? But i do agree that energy can't just come from nowhere.
babaG819 1 month ago
@Superman83271
Go to google, type in "steam turbines". Sit there, read the whole article. Sound familiar? This video is the exact reverse process. Too lazy to explain why your argument is wrong. I've been going through every argument you have written so far and debunked them. I see a trend appearing, do you?
fanmanabc 1 month ago
I don't care what the technology is... add a British accent and it sounds brilliant. Add a southern accent and it sounds moronic.
But that's just my opinion.
Luzer170 2 months ago 2
Ok what about other things. like air. can we heat air.
killerbee04x 2 months ago
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universetechnique 2 months ago
OK its 2011 whats new with this?
69mrcrash 2 months ago
Just because it claims to create more energy than it uses doesn't mean anything would be free.
Thermal units out is greater then thermal units in.In order to prove it in a way most of you would understand,it would take a way to harness the energy out in a machine that is just as efficient as the pump.....meaning....if the way you harness and measure the energy is less efficient than the source,you would be fooled into thinking the source is inefficient. Not sayin you're right or wrong.
stayinstock 2 months ago
There is no such thing as magical "free" energy. The energy is coming from another source, you just didn't put that energy in by any mechanics. For example, in this contraption there IS extra mechanical energy being brought in simply by the water flow introduced into the system.
ITTutorCanada 2 months ago
I called the company that sells this now, they only sell for oil/ fuel refinery, they say it is too expensive for use as a boiler, they sell it for 30,000! I don't get it if I had one it would work great as a backup for my wood boiler or to preheat my wood boiler so I would always have instant hot water in the system/ it takes wood about an hour to get the water up to 200f
chesterjeanette 2 months ago
I'm 70% sure it might work.
TheMrBlinx 2 months ago
i dont think u guys quite understand how this works. if you had any brainsyou would realize that the heater uses friction to create the heat as opposed to a norman boiler which uses electricity for heat.
so yeah its not energy free but it sure is a hell of a lot more efficient than a regualr boiler
lookhowcoolmynameis 2 months ago
@lookhowcoolmynameis THIS I might believe. The thing might be more efficient than other methods of heating water. But that's a far cry from what people here are claiming that it's an over-unity machine.
What is IS NOT doing is making more energy than is put in by the electric motor. That's magic, not real life.
If it made more energy than is put in, the guy would have gotten rich by now selling energy that costs him nothing to produce. Instead, he's making YouTube videos. Ask yourself why.
JustDiploid 2 months ago
@JustDiploid I don't see it as being very hard to believe that there is more energy coming out as heat or steam than the energy required to spin the rotor. The water going in could be thought of as a fuel. A diesel engine heats the diesel by compression to the point that it suddenly expands (explodes), producing more energy than is needed to spin the engine. In this case, water is being heated to the point it suddenly expands as well. It's not that hard for me to believe.
Superman83271 2 months ago
@Superman83271 A diesel engine compresses the fuel-air load with the energy that came from the diesel fuel burned in the previous compression cycle. The energy comes from the combustion of diesel fuel.
It is not possible to create energy from nowhere. I can't believe I have to even explain this to people.
If this thing made more energy than was put in, the guy could sell it at zero cost to him and change the world. Why is he making videos instead? Because it doesn't work.
JustDiploid 2 months ago
@Superman83271
You just proved yourself wrong. Diesel COMBUST, water EXPANDS. Guess which yields more energy? LOL Not gonna repeat myself. Water is not fuel............ ~face palm
fanmanabc 1 month ago
Perhaps WE will be the example nature exhibits...
bencinurts 2 months ago
If overunity was possible, we'd see examples of it in nature. Maybe we just haven't observed such examples. Keep an open mind. Remember, people once thought the earth was flat, the speed of sound unbreakable, and light the speed limit of the universe. Lets hope CERN's LHC's instruments are correct...
bencinurts 2 months ago
so why couldn't they use this output energy (steam) to run a steam engine that turns a generator that in turn powers the motor that powers the pump?? Is it because overunity is impossible?????? hmmmmmmmmm
bencinurts 2 months ago
you still need electricity to turn the pump.........the electricity they are using is probably made from burning coal or gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrStrongarms 2 months ago
70% thats good
galegregory97comcast 2 months ago
Pistol shrimp uses a cavity and muscle in its claw to cavitate water to stun prey. Plexiglass tank was always breaking.
Experiments indicate extremely high temp in the cavitation bubble.
Is this the principle behind this machine?
gavincurtis 2 months ago
And unless your house is running on nuclear power, you're still producing greenhouse gasses
MrMeat42 2 months ago
could anyone provide the adress of this manufacturor ??
Rajachemayel 2 months ago
Nonsense !
sajidullah 2 months ago
1:17 "FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES"
Small eletric motor
Tzimnewman3 3 months ago
Was interested until he said you got more energy out than you put in. That's the sure way to tell a fraud.
Key3812 3 months ago
You get more energy out because you are dealing with a change of state, eg water to steam.
dufflight03 3 months ago
@Key3812 This is not true. The net result is over-unity if you add together the amount of energy required to both heat and pump the water. The net amount of energy put in is less than the energy gained from both outputs, heat and kinetic energy.
iPeel 2 months ago
I have a similar device at home. All I do is pour water in it and add heat and the water is transformed into steam! I doesn't make any greenhousgases! :-)
It's called a kettle...
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ThinkStage 3 months ago
2006, it's now 2011, almost 2012, so I guess the ultra efficient heater device was a fraud like all the others? heh
AdamPDresch 3 months ago
overunity my ass
danielmastia87 3 months ago
More than 100 percent...idiots.
Learn how to measure correctly.
MucusFelidae 3 months ago
Highly efficient? Okay, I could go with that. Output greater than input? Close the loop, make the steam power the motor that drives it, and then we'll talk.
UncleFexxer 3 months ago 17
@UncleFexxer regardless if its a closed loop, it has a higher output than input. has over a 100% power factor. that is over unity. doesn't say it runs itself. it transfers energy from state to state, more than efficient.... then we'll talk... who are you? the energy police or the physics police? you learned real good science in High school i'm sure.
Mannycom420 2 months ago
@UncleFexxer I agree with you, if this claim actually had any credibility, it would be all over the news in every country, but it will never happen because it is impossible. Maybe they measured the thermal energy output while ignoring the fact that the water initially already had some thermal energy to start with, anything above absolute zero has thermal energy.
drayner123 2 months ago
@drayner123 that would be like saying there isnt a cure for cancer, there is the government/FDA just doesnt want you to know about it
92BMW318is 2 months ago
This device converts mechanical or kinetic energy into heat and could be used to slow down or hold back vehicles with heav