It depends upon what the federal government is encouraging people to volunteer to do and why. But the mandatory public service point is a good. Bail enforcement agents are private operators. It's the type of not quite fish or foul thing you'll see a lot more of when "government" goes free market. Bail/bond is so shady Illinois did away with it. And, as I recall, IL law does not allow bail enforcement agents to make arrests in the state. IL looks down upon BEA's.
This is private property - "Not when it comes to bail enforcement." So basically, they are saying, as long as their bullshit "laws" say it's ok, nobody has private property... What a pathetic government, so disgusting, oh they have no idea what revolution is coming their way, I hope to God it's peaceful.
How can idiots like Ron Paul blame "socialism" for the problems in the country when a system of "socialism" (i.e. workers' control of the means of production) has NEVER existed in the US? I'm sorry folks but this government intervention isn't "socialism" in the least. If you want real socialism look at Anarchist Catalonia (and yes, I use "anarchist" the way it was used by P.J. Proudhon not the way Murray Rothbard hijacked it to mean).
There is no objective permanent definition for any word. Words evolve over time to mean different things. A "bitch" used to mean a female dog. Now it's primarily used to describe a mean woman. As an anarchist I think it's hilarious that you try to force your definition of words onto others. People over time have defined anarchy and socialism in different ways. Market anarchism is a legitimate concept that is far more humane than socialism as you define it.
Governments have killed their own people in greater numbers than all the wars ever fought.
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If the FreeState ever tries to secede I full expect the Federal tanks to roll in. Hopefully, such an act will be so embarrassing and reprehensible that it causes many/most other states to do the same and the Federals lose control entirely.
"gvmnts have killed their own people in greater numbers than all the wars ever fought."
Care to back that statement up with any kind of proof?
Are you conflating all types and kinds of governments with tyranny and totalitarianism? ... Since the totalitarian gvmnt of China or Russia (or where ever) does awful things to its people ... all governments are bad?
@fczwartek "Care to back that statement up with any kind of proof?"
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Google image search "national geographic genocide"
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Or visit JPFO dot org, maybe try their video "Innocents Betrayed".
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If you want it handed to you, in only the last 100 years 250,000,000 dead at the hands of their own governments, compared to "mere" hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed in "horrific" wars like Napoleonic and WW2.
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The 250,000,000 also leaves out civilian "collateral" deaths in those wars.
"hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed in the Napoleonic wars and WW2."
I think you mean tens of millions?
In WW2 Russia alone had over 10 million soldiers killed .. Germany 6 million .. Japan 2 million ... China 4 million ...Poland 1/4 million ... USA almost 1/2 a million .. Something like 25 million soldiers killed in a single war .... that's not even counting the civilian "collateral" or the holocaust (add another 50 million to the 25 millions soldiers killed.)
@fczwartek "I think you mean tens of millions?" . Good, you looked it up. Now lets look at your numbers. . "25 million soldiers killed in a single war" . Compared to 250 Million non-soldiers killed by their own governments. . "or the holocaust (add another 50 million to the 25 millions soldiers killed.)" . Sorry, Fc, the systematic extermination of civilians inside Germany, by the German government, falls into the category of "killed by their own government".
@fczwartek "Are you conflating all types and kinds of governments with tyranny and totalitarianism?"
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Fair question. The only difference is one of degree. A few dozen dead Americans each year by over-zealous police is just as awful, to the ones killed, as being one of thousands of natives in Guatemala.
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I just don't see how being killed by one's "own" government can be excused because of the type of government. There are always people who think murder is justified, regardless of number.
Comparing the actions of some over-zealous or corrupt cops in a free democratic society with (for instance) the massacre at Tiananmen square or a corporate fascist-CIA-green beret sponsored death squad crackdown on natives in Latin America is ludicrous.
Governments ... like human beings ... can be good, bad, ugly, mediocre, evil, or whatever.
@fczwartek Dead is dead, and immune from prosecution is the same no matter what uniform or badge the murderer is wearing.
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Just because you want to rationalize some people being killed here and condemn other people being killed there, doesn't make you right, or them any less dead.
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Governments are made up of people. Corrupt, incompetent people with sovereign immunity.
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I oppose all government because of that immunity. Remove the immunity, it's no longer a government.
"you want to rationalize government murder here.."
Absolutely not.
There is no justification for brutality and murder. I'm even against the death penalty ... because it is nothing more than state sanctioned vengeance. It has no place in a free society.
But a few corrupt rogue cops is not the same thing as gvmnt sponsored campaign of terrorism. Surely you realize that?
In a free society rogue gvmnt officials are caught and punished ...
@fczwartek "But a few corrupt rogue cops is not the same thing as gvmnt sponsored campaign of terrorism."
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It is exactly the same thing, different only in degree. That is why I said you are rationalizing murder, because you try to say while one is unacceptable, the other is acceptable.
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"In a free society rogue gvmnt officials are caught and punished."
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Which ones? Lon Horiuchi? The cops who murdered the 7 year old in Chicago? No, none of them. Not even drunk driving cops.
@fczwartek "That's precisely the opposite of what I said"
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No, Fc, go back and read it. You said "But...", which means you are making an exception to the otherwise unequivocal prior statement.
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All flowers are blue, but I have a red one.
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You rationalize murder based upon form of government, you said so yourself twice already. You said "But a few rogue corrupt cops is not the same thing", and yes, their murders are no less murders, their immunity from prosecution no less effective.
@fczwartek Oh, Fc, don't start that Utopian crap, we've been over that before.
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The real world is that murderers come in all sizes, shapes, and uniforms. Giving one batch sovereign immunity makes a mockery of prosecuting others for acts which the "boys in blue" get away with daily.
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It's sad that you label treating people equally under the law "utopia". However, so long as government apologists continue to rationalize away government abuse, a free society is just as unachievable.
@fczwartek "In a free society rogue gvmnt officials are caught and punished"
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In a truly free society, there would be no Sovereign Immunity, no police investigating their own and finding the officers not liable, no "thin blue line" which comes together to protect those "rogue govt officials".
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So you're absolutely correct. And that is why I push for a free society. Free of coercion, free from the institution of coercion: Government.
It's pretty simple Kurt ... corrupt cops can (and are) caught, prosecuted, punished for illegal activities.. Sovereign immunity does not give an individual carte blanche to ignore laws! I'm sure you can grasp that concept.
If nothing else at least libertarian insanity is kind of entertaining, You're really saying that a free democratic society is essentially the same thing as Pol Pot's Cambodia (separated only by a "difference of degree") .... ?
Ok, Rumsfeld ... I guess you have resorted to just making stuff up now. When all else fails .... fabricate!
I never said murder was justifiable ... under any circumstance... ever.
It's hilarious that you would tie your make believe fabrication of what I supposedly said to public school mind control propaganda! 2 birds ...1 stone? Very efficient of you ... laughably intellectually dishonest ... but efficient nonetheless!
@fczwartek "I never said murder was justifiable ... under any circumstance... ever."
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What you said is that there is a "difference" between government agents getting away with murder because they are "death squads", and because they are "police". Here is the quote, go read it yourself:
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"But a few corrupt rogue cops is not the same thing as gvmnt sponsored campaign of terrorism."
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How are their victims any less dead? Why do you think it matters if their government is "elected" or not?
ron paul reminds me of Ian McKellen
Minan3 10 months ago
It depends upon what the federal government is encouraging people to volunteer to do and why. But the mandatory public service point is a good. Bail enforcement agents are private operators. It's the type of not quite fish or foul thing you'll see a lot more of when "government" goes free market. Bail/bond is so shady Illinois did away with it. And, as I recall, IL law does not allow bail enforcement agents to make arrests in the state. IL looks down upon BEA's.
newdarnaccount 1 year ago
Are we the Land of the brave Home of the Free? You judge for yourself.
bluestreak2653 1 year ago 2
This is private property - "Not when it comes to bail enforcement." So basically, they are saying, as long as their bullshit "laws" say it's ok, nobody has private property... What a pathetic government, so disgusting, oh they have no idea what revolution is coming their way, I hope to God it's peaceful.
awkword519 1 year ago
How can idiots like Ron Paul blame "socialism" for the problems in the country when a system of "socialism" (i.e. workers' control of the means of production) has NEVER existed in the US? I'm sorry folks but this government intervention isn't "socialism" in the least. If you want real socialism look at Anarchist Catalonia (and yes, I use "anarchist" the way it was used by P.J. Proudhon not the way Murray Rothbard hijacked it to mean).
juliaisafilmbuff123 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123,
There is no objective permanent definition for any word. Words evolve over time to mean different things. A "bitch" used to mean a female dog. Now it's primarily used to describe a mean woman. As an anarchist I think it's hilarious that you try to force your definition of words onto others. People over time have defined anarchy and socialism in different ways. Market anarchism is a legitimate concept that is far more humane than socialism as you define it.
truthadvocate 1 year ago
theres no stoping the truth. it just slows down----but all-ways wins
terrygus1 1 year ago
One day they will call all of us terrorists
jfarris4417 1 year ago 6
@jfarris4417 One day they will make most of us terrorists.
raider6504 1 year ago
@raider6504 they already have, just ask homeland security!!!
66132145 1 year ago
Governments have killed their own people in greater numbers than all the wars ever fought.
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If the FreeState ever tries to secede I full expect the Federal tanks to roll in. Hopefully, such an act will be so embarrassing and reprehensible that it causes many/most other states to do the same and the Federals lose control entirely.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
"gvmnts have killed their own people in greater numbers than all the wars ever fought."
Care to back that statement up with any kind of proof?
Are you conflating all types and kinds of governments with tyranny and totalitarianism? ... Since the totalitarian gvmnt of China or Russia (or where ever) does awful things to its people ... all governments are bad?
fczwartek 1 year ago
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@fczwartek "Care to back that statement up with any kind of proof?"
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Google image search "national geographic genocide"
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Or visit JPFO dot org, maybe try their video "Innocents Betrayed".
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If you want it handed to you, in only the last 100 years 250,000,000 dead at the hands of their own governments, compared to "mere" hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed in "horrific" wars like Napoleonic and WW2.
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The 250,000,000 also leaves out civilian "collateral" deaths in those wars.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
"hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed in the Napoleonic wars and WW2."
I think you mean tens of millions?
In WW2 Russia alone had over 10 million soldiers killed .. Germany 6 million .. Japan 2 million ... China 4 million ...Poland 1/4 million ... USA almost 1/2 a million .. Something like 25 million soldiers killed in a single war .... that's not even counting the civilian "collateral" or the holocaust (add another 50 million to the 25 millions soldiers killed.)
fczwartek 1 year ago
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CurtHowland 1 year ago
@fczwartek "Are you conflating all types and kinds of governments with tyranny and totalitarianism?"
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Fair question. The only difference is one of degree. A few dozen dead Americans each year by over-zealous police is just as awful, to the ones killed, as being one of thousands of natives in Guatemala.
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I just don't see how being killed by one's "own" government can be excused because of the type of government. There are always people who think murder is justified, regardless of number.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
Comparing the actions of some over-zealous or corrupt cops in a free democratic society with (for instance) the massacre at Tiananmen square or a corporate fascist-CIA-green beret sponsored death squad crackdown on natives in Latin America is ludicrous.
Governments ... like human beings ... can be good, bad, ugly, mediocre, evil, or whatever.
fczwartek 1 year ago
@fczwartek Dead is dead, and immune from prosecution is the same no matter what uniform or badge the murderer is wearing.
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Just because you want to rationalize some people being killed here and condemn other people being killed there, doesn't make you right, or them any less dead.
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Governments are made up of people. Corrupt, incompetent people with sovereign immunity.
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I oppose all government because of that immunity. Remove the immunity, it's no longer a government.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
"you want to rationalize government murder here.."
Absolutely not.
There is no justification for brutality and murder. I'm even against the death penalty ... because it is nothing more than state sanctioned vengeance. It has no place in a free society.
But a few corrupt rogue cops is not the same thing as gvmnt sponsored campaign of terrorism. Surely you realize that?
In a free society rogue gvmnt officials are caught and punished ...
fczwartek 1 year ago
@fczwartek "But a few corrupt rogue cops is not the same thing as gvmnt sponsored campaign of terrorism."
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It is exactly the same thing, different only in degree. That is why I said you are rationalizing murder, because you try to say while one is unacceptable, the other is acceptable.
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"In a free society rogue gvmnt officials are caught and punished."
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Which ones? Lon Horiuchi? The cops who murdered the 7 year old in Chicago? No, none of them. Not even drunk driving cops.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
"you say gvmnt murder is acceptable."
That's precisely the opposite of what I said, actually ... But keep hammering away at that straw man if it makes you feel better.
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Cops get away with murder ... regular joes get away with murder ... politicians get away with murder ... Welcome to the "real world."
Though your utopia does sound appealing...
fczwartek 1 year ago
@fczwartek "That's precisely the opposite of what I said"
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No, Fc, go back and read it. You said "But...", which means you are making an exception to the otherwise unequivocal prior statement.
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All flowers are blue, but I have a red one.
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You rationalize murder based upon form of government, you said so yourself twice already. You said "But a few rogue corrupt cops is not the same thing", and yes, their murders are no less murders, their immunity from prosecution no less effective.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@fczwartek Oh, Fc, don't start that Utopian crap, we've been over that before.
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The real world is that murderers come in all sizes, shapes, and uniforms. Giving one batch sovereign immunity makes a mockery of prosecuting others for acts which the "boys in blue" get away with daily.
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It's sad that you label treating people equally under the law "utopia". However, so long as government apologists continue to rationalize away government abuse, a free society is just as unachievable.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@fczwartek "In a free society rogue gvmnt officials are caught and punished"
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In a truly free society, there would be no Sovereign Immunity, no police investigating their own and finding the officers not liable, no "thin blue line" which comes together to protect those "rogue govt officials".
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So you're absolutely correct. And that is why I push for a free society. Free of coercion, free from the institution of coercion: Government.
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Murder is murder, Fz. I do not rationalize it.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
Once again ... the words you are attributing to me are precisely the opposite of what I actually said!
I may as well bash my head against a brick wall ... or have a conversation with Donald Rumsfeld...
fczwartek 1 year ago
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@fczwartek "the words you are attributing to me are precisely the opposite of what I actually said!"
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How can they be the opposite when I quote you?
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"But a few corrupt rogue cops is not the same thing as gvmnt sponsored campaign of terrorism. Surely you realize that?"
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No, I don't excuse murder just because of which badge someone is wearing.
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Now please tell me where I am reading you wrong?
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
It's pretty simple Kurt ... corrupt cops can (and are) caught, prosecuted, punished for illegal activities.. Sovereign immunity does not give an individual carte blanche to ignore laws! I'm sure you can grasp that concept.
fczwartek 1 year ago
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@fczwartek "corrupt cops can (and are) caught, prosecuted, punished for illegal activities"
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And corrupt cops are absolved of responsibility for their murders by internal investigations on a daily basis.
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injusticeeverywhere com
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Soldiers kill people on a continuous basis, and are never prosecuted for those murders, unless they happen to be on the losing side.
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Did you forget about soldiers? Murder, and a perfect example of Sovereign Immunity. Those "death squads" are just soldiers
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
If nothing else at least libertarian insanity is kind of entertaining, You're really saying that a free democratic society is essentially the same thing as Pol Pot's Cambodia (separated only by a "difference of degree") .... ?
fczwartek 1 year ago
@fczwartek Yes.
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The fact is that there are people who get away with murder because they work for the government.
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And one more time: I don't excuse that murder just because of the color of their uniforms, or the form of their government.
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That you consider murder to be different depending upon which government does the murdering only shows the effectiveness of government schooling.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland
Ok, Rumsfeld ... I guess you have resorted to just making stuff up now. When all else fails .... fabricate!
I never said murder was justifiable ... under any circumstance... ever.
It's hilarious that you would tie your make believe fabrication of what I supposedly said to public school mind control propaganda! 2 birds ...1 stone? Very efficient of you ... laughably intellectually dishonest ... but efficient nonetheless!
fczwartek 1 year ago
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@fczwartek "I never said murder was justifiable ... under any circumstance... ever."
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What you said is that there is a "difference" between government agents getting away with murder because they are "death squads", and because they are "police". Here is the quote, go read it yourself:
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"But a few corrupt rogue cops is not the same thing as gvmnt sponsored campaign of terrorism."
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How are their victims any less dead? Why do you think it matters if their government is "elected" or not?
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland see the plot for red dead redemption and realize how your point relates to it.
Minan3 10 months ago
Great video. You won't find freedom through a representative.
ProtestSpp 1 year ago
Is Ron Paul for Death Penalty?
SuperUnlawful 1 year ago
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@SuperUnlawful "Is Ron Paul for Death Penalty?"
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A quick search returns "No."
CurtHowland 1 year ago
all you young uns better watch out. obama has a job for you
callieland 1 year ago
Amen Amen Amen!
cmcphee 1 year ago