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  • does this work with a wireless rock band kit

  • @TACOSRULE48 As far as I know, this will NOT work with the wireless rock band kit. It may be possible to use some of the parts, to get it to work. I do know you will need a USB receiver that plugs into your PC, that will allow the wireless drums to communicate with the PC.

    I'm not sure how lag would be trying to connect via wireless, I'm guessing it would be unplayable

  • well this is great i dont have alot of money but i need a drum set so this is all i can work with

  • I have a question; since you're using 2 rockband drums will corresponding pads ever register as the same hits or different hits? I'm getting 2 sets of the portable drums to make my own custom kit to play dtxmania; if I plug them into seperate usb ports, will they be considered different instruments so that I can assign corresponding pads different keys with joytokey?

  • @interviewproject1 With two drum sets, you can program the buttons on each to do separate things. Or you can program them to do the same thing if you desire. Joytokey allows you to program each drum set individually. I'm not familiar with dtxmania, but I believe this setup should work great with that game.

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  • can someone help me. somehow im using fl studio 9 addictive drums with joytokey. i can onnly use some ride cymbals, and cant use snare and stuff cos of it not having a key on my keyboard...can anyone help!!!

  • If you can afford EZDrummer, I suggest getting 2 sets of GoodWood Pads for the kit, $100 per and it reduces all sound to a very low volume on your pads, give realistic rebound (So you can do epic rolls on it), and it also gives lots more sensitivity. They're VERY durable and are definitely worth it, I've had mine for almost a year now and I play tons of RB 1/2/3 all month long.

  • @SupermoddedMinecraft Thanks for the recommendation! I have heard great things about the Goodwood pads. Are you using them on an RB1 kit? I really like the stock RB3 kit with cymbals. For the price, there's not much that can beat them. If you already have a double bass setup for RB, the RB3 kit is awesome with the PRO mode.

  • @snyperbob I used to use them on my RB1 kit, then my kit sat for too long (About 2 months for some reason) and died completely, I would plug it in, and it would turn on for 2 seconds then shut off. So then I went to target, since me and my dad had brought my little brother along, I had to watch him in the car. So apparently my dad found a great deal for RB: Beatles and got that instead of a regular RB2 set. So I had to buy ANOTHER one just to plug in my cymbals, other than that (Next comment)

  • @snyperbob The GoodWood pads have stayed up through the wires being separated and reconnected 3 times. So I definitely think these are worth it if your drums break and you need a new set. Since unlike most silencing pads, it replaces the pad, and it can stay/go for however long you like.

    PS: If I didn't have a real set, I would definitely pay the extra $350 to get EZDrummer, another set of GoodWoods, and another RB1 set.

  • The sound is a bit annoying, Why not just purchased a real set.

  • Toontrack's EZplayer has the ability to recognice MIDI drumsets like rockbands and guitar hero's... and it's also a VST, you should try it.

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  • How do you do the opened and closed hihat - thing???

  • @BigB444301

    My left foot pedal toggles the mode. Press the pedal once to switch to open high hat, push the pedal again to toggle back to closed high hat.

  • @snyperbob alright thanks for your fast response

    do you set that with joy to key or ez drummer??

  • @BigB444301 You can set it up within Joy2Key. My left foot pedal actually is set up inside Joy2Key to toggle between two different scripts, or key programmings. I keep all the keys mapped the same with the two scripts, only the high hat pad changes.

  • There is still a slight lag - small but very annoying

  • hi man! i want to make a drumkit like this for practice and i have a question: RB2 drum kits have velocity sensitivity to play with EZ drummer or addictive drums through the PC? your help would be much appreciated (sorry if my english is too bad)

  • @mariox82 Hello! I'm not 100% sure if this would work with RB2 drums. I do know that RB2 drums are wireless. They make wireless receivers that you can plug into the PC, and then interface XBox wireless controllers to the PC. I'm guessing it would work pretty much exactly the same. If you do try it, please let me know if it works. Eventually I would like to upgrade my setup to RB2 drums, for the same reason (velocity sensitive) Thanks for the comment

  • Yes, you can definitely hook the wireless RB2 drums up to PC... However, I wouldn't recommend it. I bought a pair a while back and experienced latency problems with them that I could only pin down to the wireless. (This was with the PS3/2 version.. 360 or Wii may be different, but I doubt it) Personally I wouldn't recommend getting the RB2 drums because of this issue.

  • @indstr666 Thanks for the feedback. I'm guessing this would explain why there's no videos on the net with ppl doing this with Rock Band 2 drum sets. If I get time I'll look into it more. Oh, and I would also need RB2 drums sets, lol.

  • You also mentioned in your video that there is "no lag", but I noticed significant latency that I wanted to make sure you were aware of... Don't believe me? Maybe I got too technical about what I am about to tell you, but this is just friendly advice coming from one "low budget electronic drummer" to another...

  • I made a recording of your video and opened it in audacity (wav editor), got to the part where you were playing the toms (since they were the loudest drums). What I did was zoom way in so you can see milliseconds, and look at the number of milliseconds between when you hear the drumstick hitting the pad, and when you hear the actual tom sample. Here is my screenshot of what this looks like in your recording

  • (sorry, it looks like youtube is having issues with url links... I will modify it slightly. just change it to h-t-t-p- obviously...

  • loopproject(DOT)(COM)/filebase­/sdcompo/organic_io/drumlag.jp­g

  • @indstr666 I can't seem to open any of the links you posted. If you got time, can you PM me one of the correct URLs and I'll see if I can open your links? THX!

  • you have to change the (dot)(com) to ... well, you know... But I can PM you also

  • OK, there it goes.. Sorry.. So it's about 45ms of latency, which is quite significant. Anything over about 5ms is detectable by the human ears.

  • @indstr666 - Did you analyze the middle of the video when the camera was behind me while playing, or near the end of the video where the video was in front of me? I think it may have something to do with the camera placement and stereo location. While playing there's no noticible lag. I think the lag perceived in the video is because the speakers are like 10-12 feet from the camera. That and the camera is just a picture camera on video mode.

  • It's around halfway through. May be partly physics related

  • There are several things you can do to reduce this. My first suggestion is to make sure you are using ASIO sound drivers (if you are using Windows, which it looks like you are), and setting the buffer/latency settings as low as you can get it. This should knock off at least 30 of those milliseconds, possibly more. Trust me, you want to get it as low as possible. Try playing some fast hihat patterns with 45ms of latency and you will have some serious trouble with it.

  • @indstr666 I have been using ASIO. With the setup in this video, I am getting anywhere from 7 ms to 13 ms lag with Asio. Reaper will tell you the lag right inside the program. With any other sound settings in Reaper, I get 45 ms or more. ASIO is money!

  • You will get "lost" trying to play anything very fast because of the latency. The reason I am telling you all this is because I have been working on a "poor man's DIY drum kit" for the last 6 months and have spent many hours tweaking it to be perfect... And it took me a long time before I got the latency settings to where I wanted them.

  • I noticed that in Windows, even with the lowest latency I could get on my M-audio Delta 44 soundcard, there was still noticable latency even with a wired drum controller. I had already been running Linux for a while so I spent some time getting the drum software up with that... Using Ubuntu Studio which has a realtime kernel specifically for handling low latency audio.

  • @indstr666 Hmm, with just my built in laptop sound card I consistently get around 7-8 ms lag with this setup. I would think you should get better than that with your M-audio card.

  • It took a lot of time, but it was well worth the effort. Now I have my JACK settings in Linux at about 5ms which has no noticable latency at all. As for my discontent with the RB2 wireless drums, I ended up hacking together several different kits, and it looks something like this --> loopproject(dot)(com)/filebase­/sdcompo/organic_io/drums-pads­.jpg

  • (Actually looks a little different now, but you get the idea). That is a rock revolution controller, combined with 2 "rock band portable" kits, one of which is mounted on the frame from the RB2 kit. I have spent about $100 on this so far, but it is still a lot cheaper than "real" e-drums.

  • 3 of the inputs from the rock revolution contoller are actually soldered onto audio cables which are running directly into my soundcard... and into Reaper which translates the acoustic hits into MIDI data that goes to Addictive drums. Those 3 are velocity sensitive, and then the rest are running through the "rock band portable" kits, which unfortunately are not velocity sensitive... But are really cool because you can plug different pads straight into the little controller.

  • More feedback: I noticed you were using joy2key into reaper's pianoroll... There is a lot better way to do this, and that is to run a vst inside of Reaper which will translate the controller's data straight into MIDI. Several programs do this, including Drumagog and ktdrumtrigger, both of which I had trouble getting to work in Linux for various compatibility reasons.

  • @indstr666 I don't see any difference in running a VST or just mapping the keys to the piano roll, in terms of my setup. Now if I had velocity sensitivity, then that would make sense, because I would need the midi data. RB1 drums, all the info you get is if the drum was hit, that's all. Similar to pressing a key on a piano. Do you think there would be any performance gains in running a VST? I would think that would use more resources and just using the built in piano

  • The main benefit is you don't have to have the piano roll in focus while you are playing... So you can tab over to other programs... It's essential for me because I am always tweaking stuff in addictive drums, and also running other microphone input stuff/ pedal controlled vsti's, and soon some looping software/lot's of crazy ideas/etc

  • @ snyperbob, I just had another thought... Even though your ASIO latency in reaper is 7-13ms, you may be getting artificial latency due to using joy2key... I would seriously recommend at least trying to use a gamepad --> MIDI vst directly inside of Reaper, just to see if there is an improvement. Speaking personally, when I was running an external program (edrum monitor) for some of my drums, and running reaper for the 3 acoustic inputs, I could definitely tell a difference in the response times.

  • @snyperbob (continued) -- As soon as I got Shoryuken2 going directly inside of reaper, I noticed an immediate improvement and finally the gamepad inputs were as fast as the acoustic ones.

    So... Seriously, just try it at least. Reaper also has some kind of script to use Rock band drums with it, but from taking a look at it, it looks like it is a cumbersome process that's not really worth the time when there are already several vst's that do the same thing

  • anyway.... good luck !!!

  • Maybe you would have better luck with them. But I found an obscure gem of a program called "Shoryuken2" which does it and does it well inside of Reaper in Linux (running via Wine). More info about my struggles with that here if you are interested --> ubuntuforums(dot)(org)/showthr­ead.php?t=1564376goto=newpost (also has a download link to the vst)

  • As for hi-hat solutions... I am currently struggling with this problem right now as for some reason my setup is sending unwanted MIDI CC data to Addictive Drums so the variable hi-hat openness is unreliable --> More info here: linuxmusicians(dot)(com)/viewt­opic(dot)php?f=4&t=2876

  • however if you do this in Windows you should definitely be able to get something like Edrum monitor to work --> edrummonitor(dot)(com). Basically you can make this "listen" to the hihat, and depending on whether it is "open or closed", it will send a different MIDI signal.

  • Also, the program RB2MIDI does the same thing --> mattgrounds(dot)(com)/rb2midi/ , but, I don't think it has support for more than 1 controller at a time.

  • So, as far as recommendations for what to "upgrade" to, I don't have a clear cut solution. Rock revolution drums do not have velocity sensitivity, and as far as I understand, neither does the guitar hero world tour drums... And of course the rb2 wireless has latency issues. So as game sets go, none of them is really a perfect solution because they all have problems.

  • @indstr666 I don't know about u, but I'm getting sick of tweaking my junk to get it to work. I spend more time playing with the hardware than actually playing the drums, lol. One of my pads stopped working all together, so I hacked and soldered leads onto it, so I could run the wire into the opposite side of the drum kit. That way the high hat pad still works. I don't use the right-most upper pad anyway, lol. Just gets frustrating

  • I know what you mean... it is a pain to get the hardware and software right... I have spent many, many hours...Probably (like you said) more tweaking than actually playing. However it's all very worth it now that I've gotten it how I want it to be... and now I can get down to practice :)

  • Personally, I will probably be taking my soldered and hacked up pads and buying an actual MIDI drum brain at some point so I can just connect the existing hardware into it and have that send MIDI out to the PC. However that will be sometime down the road as those can run anywhere from $100 on up on ebay.

  • @indstr666 If I were you, I would just look into the Alesis USB-Pro drum kit. It's basically a poor man's Roland kit. They were like $400-$500. I just looked now, and maybe they jacked the price up on them, because they definately aren't that cheap now. Choke-able cymbals, every pad is velocity sensitive, also they have like 3 zones each, real cymbals and drum heads. Very nice! Wish I bought one when they were new/cheap

  • Alternately, I was looking at something like either the AWOWO "Live Drums" or a Fender Starcaster. Those would at least have proper foot pedal support without any software hacks.

  • Lastly, here is a link to something I recorded with my setup the other day --> loopproject(dot)(com)/filebase­/sdcompo/organic_io/2010-10-26­t191508.mp3 ... No way I would have been able to play this with latency

  • So, I hope this is has been helpful, if not a bit too much info... Sometimes I get carried away, but I just want to help, so you can enjoy what you're doing. If this has been helpful to you, please share with others. If you have questions, feel free to contact me. Have fun!

  • how would i get to work this on fl studio?

  • @nickjoannides

    I believe you can get this to work in FL Studio. Everything else should be pretty much the same. Just instead of Reaper, you would be using FL Studio. EZ Drummer would work as a plugin in FL Studio just the same

  • wow amazing! o.o I got drums from guitar hero wourld tour band and it sucks :/

  • check my video on the acoustic kit conversion

    I spent about 100 on the drums and made my own heads

  • but even still. if you get something heavy enough to hold them down or if you can maybe jam them into place with something they shouldnt move on you much. just a thought. have fun. the set up looks great.

  • i have the same thing although i am not using reaper, i found that the drumsite works fine. i do need another drum set to use since having a single drumset only allows me to use the auxilary percussion pieces. i have noticed that you had some trouble with the drums moving. i would suggest not puting them on something that moves so well. even with a regular drumset i had trouble with everything running away from me as i drummed mostly due to the bass kicker,

  • Not bad for a beginner. Nice setup

  • This is awesome, lol - never seen before :D

  • This is pretty neat, Next I want to see you with 3 or 4 drum kits :D

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