It was an argument between two Kings, thousands of men were lost and their families lives torn apart- sound familiar? Times don't change but at least its a good song if nothing else.
@marvlus69 You're right it was more of a walkover than a battle. The govt troops were hardly a crack force. Mostly completely raw recruits who'd never seen action - or aged veterans who were long passed their best. The artillery was in the hands of invalided seamen. The Jacobites didn't really encounter the govt army proper until Falkiirk which went quite well for the Jacobites - then Culloden which of course was a disaster for them!
@stuartE87 But do you speak the language of your ancestors? Dont say shitty boasts that arent true, scotland is a shadow of what it used to be thats for definite
In addition to the Campbells, the MacNabbs (sadly, the clan which I descend from) also betrayed the Scottish kings, both under Robert Bruce and Charlie. I hope I am descended from the few loyal scottish MacNabbs, which I suspect as my Grandfather always sang Loch Lomond
@erdbeerkirschtorte Roger picks up a gig singing at a modern-day festival and takes Bree along. It happens fairly early on in Drums of Autumn, after Jamie and Clare part ways with Bonnet. I'm sorry I can't give you the page numbers, but I don't have my copy with me :/
@twisterroo Fiery cross; page 270, when Jamie is about to renew the old tradition to light the cross to ask his men to go to war with him. Roger sings this song, so the people can come in the mood for war (:
It was not Scots against English, it was an ideological and historical war fought between a dying, superstitious and antiquated culture (represented by Charlie and all he stood for) against a more modern, prostestant lowland outlook. Plenty of Scots joined the latter. Charlie manipulated the naive highlanders into fighting for his dying cause. The poor clansmen were sent off to exile 50 years later by the same clan chiefs that had led them to their deaths at Culloden. A sad Scottish tale indeed.
It was hardly a lesson in warfare, it was an early morning ambush through a swamp that caught the government army half asleep and completely unprepared. In a face to face battle the Jacobites never stood a chance against the better trained, better equipped governement troops, as was demonstrated at Culloden.
You say you are a 'nationalist', however this shouldnt really be applicable to this war as Scots fought bravely and died on both sides.
@19wt60 As far as I remember he was talking about it in a very entertaining passage about piping and the best tunes of Scottish military pipe bands. I don't remember a military context, so I will have to read the book again - no hardship there!
@Taysidethistle & DinpleScot Thanks T ! There is indeed a pipe version on the Black Watch "Dark Island" CD, available on amazon. Price incl. p&p to the continent is ~ two uisghes in my favourite pub, which means for once in my life I might get home less than completely plastered.
I read about Johnny Cope in The Complete McAuslan as George MacDonald Fraser said it is the most terrifying tune an army pipe band can play. Anyone know where I can hear a pipe band version?
no they fought against a similar sized force. Luckily the Whigs turned after the first round and fled and thus suffered large losses compared with the Jacobite,Some of the Whigs behaved bravely despite the route ( Col. Gardiner) and Johnny cope wasn't quite the idiot made out in this song..basically his men panicked at the charge of the highlanders..if they had stayed,like at Culloden, the '45 may have ended here. Jacobites maybe lost about 50ish ,the Whigs 300ish?
As a Nationalist bill you ought to ken better than to generalise.
A linage that's traced back to Robert the Bruce cant be all bad. and Charlie's men were fighting a profesional Brit army. I'm a Jacobite to the core but most of my empathy is with the Loyal men who fought for thier rightful king.
The common man bled the ground at Culloden, but Prestonpans was a Jacobite day, and Cope's horse still echo's doon the street's of Dunbar
@jacobikerJames 2 was a disaster and James 3 not much better...cowards and stupid...they lost their throne by being inept if honest rather than it being taken ... Charlie was at least brave if nothing else but truth be told he used the clans to try and reach his real aim..the throne of England..Scotland was never enough..sad but true..the only real heroes were the poor sods forced into fighting for him...now they are the real story...not some king or prince whose lineage was only ever parts scot
Belle chanson écossaise(the Corriesqui raconte l'histoire de la bataille de Prestonpans(?) (une des rares victoires écossaises sur les Anglais. Les "Jacobites" étaient conduits par le "Bonnie Prince Charlie(Charles Edouard Stuart). Victoire hélas sans lendemain(voir 1745 Culloden ).
Oh, true enough that the Scots couldn't trust the French to keep a treaty much more than they could the English. There were a few times when the French were of some aid such as in sheltering David II, but they were by and large at best useless.
Lucky enough to see then NEAR CUMBERNAULD IN 66, IT TOOK THE JACOBITES MORE THAN 5 MINUTES, NEARLY 15 MINUTES...COPE RAN AWAY ON HORSEBACK ,,THEN HAD TO EXPLAIN WHERE HIS TROOPS WERE!!!
john cope was the commander of a government army in scotland in 1746 after the jacobites reteat to scotland john cope and his troops went after them , at falkirk moor ( now callander house ) the jacobites pulled a surprise attack and john cope fled away to stirling castle and faced the embarrasement of telling the castles commander why he was there , the battle for falkirk 1746 lasted less than 15 minutes
yep Garyoppolis. the song's about Prestonpans right enough. the scots flanked the english left side as they were going into formation and decimated them. nothing to do with Falkirk. the cause still lives on.
It wasn't really all his fault (as the court martial said). His troops weren't exactly battle hardened vetrans and they skeedaddled at the sight of a few thousand hairy highlanders charging them (and who wouldn't!).
what was the cause therefore ? .. there were more jacobites in england than scotland ... but the economically isolated clan chiefs were looking for some reversals in their fortunes as european trade opened via the lowlands.
There were many reasons for the "cause". Some fought for King some fought for religion, many as you say fought for fortune and some chiefs fought to regain titles they had lost. However there was also the promise that Scotland would regain it's status of pre 1707 and for every Jacobite that fought for these reasons there were others who fought for the Hanoverians for the same reasons, just in a different context. It was a civil war.
As for King James VI & I, he was Scots by birth only. He was raised and educated in England, groomed for the English crown. Disowned his mother, and never returned to Scotland once he had his crown.
One can only wonder how different the world would be if the Royal court had been in Edinburgh rather than London.
i beleive he was a stewart so he would have had to be of some royal scottish bloodline his mother mary queen of scots died in england executed by queen elizabeth wich killed her to execute and anagreated(spelling?) queen but his father i beleive was killed and him kidnapped by certain scottish nobles correct me if im wrong
Unfortunately like many, many of the misbegotten (sorry strong personal opinion there) Stewart line, he and many of them cared much less for Scotland than for England except when it was convenient.
I've often wondered what we did to offend God that we had such a royal line. (Ok, I'm ready for flames but it wasn't just Bonny Prince Charlie that wasn't exactly loyal when the chips were down.)
JT, you have to admit that life was never dull with the Stewarts.
Charlie is its true used the highlanders shamlessly, and others it has to be said. And didn;'t Elcho call him a"damn cowardly Italian" as he fled Culloden?
Regardless though many fought under his banner for a principle, have you seen the Jacobite swords etched with "Scotland and no Union!"
Sadlyb Charlie had as much interest in ending the hated Union as Gordon Brown has of being honest for five minutes.
Absolutely true on all points, Gaudd, although my gripe against the Stewarts go back further than. Whether it was Mary Stewart's arrant stupidity or murdering the Black Douglases at their own table or preferring England to their own loyal Scotland. But we were loyal to them because they were OURS. And heaven knows there were days when they were good kings too. But the flight of Charles Stewart has to make you a ill. So many good people paid. Ha. Gordon Brown and honest in the same sentence
Perhaps you were not familiar with the terrible obstacles that Charlie was up against in the uprising. He was treated horrendously by the French, by his father, by Lord George Murray, he overcame unbelievable internal Jacobite politics and came very close to pulling the whole thing off....and most importantly...destroying the Union and returning Scotlands independent status!
I shouldn't post when I feel mad at the Stewarts. Because you're right that Prince Charles and all of them had their good side. He was up against obstacles that were more than terrible. It is his later behavior I fault. But he was what he was and one of those things was the rightful Prince and later the rightful king.
I agree...the Stuarts were a useless lot and Charles Edward was about the worst.
He came here with no support or money and used the highlanders for his hopeless cause, then took off when it failed leaving those at home to pay the price.
It needn't have been a hopeless cause. The Jacobites could have won. Saying that the German and German-speaking usurpers had deep-seated love from most of their subjects just isn't true.
However, I can't argue that he shouldn't have come with more support -- which he could have done and his advisers told him and he should never have left his loyal supporters to pay the price that they did.
But their dastardy can't begin to compare to that of the Hanovers.
Yeah, the Campbells dishonored their name for just about all time. My grandparents refused to allow anyone of that name in their house.
I try to remember that one of King Robert's staunchest supporters from the first and through the darkest days was a Campbell. But it's hard to forget what later Campbells did to their own people--for profit.
Funny thing is that James flooded the English court with his Scottish favourites and the English didn't like it. It was a bit like Tony Blair's early cabinets.
How about us war planes using ireland as a depot.
Now then us politics becomes irelands problem.
The NAFTA and EU agenda are the same.
and the idea we should tell each other to fuck off stay out of my country's politics is exactly what is keeping you in the dark although you in the dark
I just want to say the irish and scotts in America have all but completely forgot they are descendent of irish or scottish at all.
Its completely systematic were called narrowbacks then bootleggers, still hillbily, redneck and these terms are used to make us think our culture we brought with us is wrong.
The federal goverment has targeted us in one way or the other. Prohibition is prime example.
In answer to your not seeing the humour of them having lost their roots, my coment is referring to "funny" being strange. You say the Americans have all but forgotten their roots but the amount of them coming to Europe and looking for the old country is very large, which would dispute your suggestion.
I'd imagine a large number of people in UK are the same. There are many families which are immigrant (from centuries back) but have little or no interest in it. Maybe there's a reason both here and there why it isn't important to them.
I am American, and I can assure you that many people care about their ancestry and would give a good deal to visit the places from whence their families came. A woman I know recently spent two years learning Polish and went there for a trip of several weeks. One very large obstacle, and not only for Americans, is EXPENSE. Most of us feel obliged to use our money for the kids' school bills, a comfortable home, and things that lie closer to the bone than travel. Be great to be idle and rich!!!
I agree EMasaros, as I've already pointed out above. Having lived in Ireland, Scotland and Poland I have met many Americans looking for their roots. I've also met German Americans on-line looking for roots etc. I've also got Canadian relatives (plastic yanks, I know) who are well aware of their heritage. I imagine there are many people who DON'T have an interest but it would be foolish to suggest nobody in US cares about their roots.
if you checked your history the term jacobite refers to a supporter of the stuart familly ie. james stuart illigitimate son of kings charles II who had alot more supporters in england than in scotland it was only when parliament invited william of orange over that the cause moved mainly to scotland. so to sum jacobite refers just as much to englishmen as to scots!
I tell you why the BBC never plays any of The Corries, it's because that The Corries play Jacobite songs and played to a young audiance it could create notions that Gordon Brown wouldn't be too happy about. If you listen to The Corries version of 'Scotland the Brave' they sing about a free Scotland and Westminster can't afford that.
Why don't you grow up? The idea that the BBC keeps the Corries off tv because it fears that they would stir up nationalist sentiment is just conspiracy theory nonsense. The great thing about YouTube is that it offers a chance for a new audience to discover music that's not in the mainstream.
As for the Irish, they're ok but they sat on their hands while the Scots (and the rest of the civilised world) fought against the Nazis. (That's the Germans that you prefer to the Brits, BTW).
My Grandfather fought for the Germans, yet I am still a proud Scottish Nationalist. This has nothing to do with Germany. Also remember most Germans who fought were not Nazis. They were merely fighting for their country as you would fight for yours if required.
Of course they believed in Hitler!!! Bloody hell, they voted for him. After the treaty of Versailles, Germany was totally fucked, the people were starving and poor. Hitler promised to take them out of that, you would vote for him in that situation. He didnt stand on a manifesto of genocide. He stood on a manifesto of dragging Germany out the gutter after the Europe destroyed it for no reason after WW1. (For which Germany was no more wrong than anyone)
Yes I agree and I think war is a ritual so my opinion is a little different.
but yes I dont think any germans were wrong for fighting in the war I think the war as whole was just wrong on all sides some americans were nazi supporters (jd rockefeller) (presscot bush)It's a big joke and the jokes on us and the people who fight and die.
the thing that gets me boat is that when a scot does something good they be a brit
tho when its a scot in jail hes a scot
iv been down tae england a few times and been jumped everytime for having a scottish accent so they cannae tell me the union spirt is strong down there
bbc is just used by westminster tae try and make everyone feel good bout being a brit, brit is just a other way of saying english
The only reason I know of the Corries is i'm old enough to have seen them. Why does BBC Scotland never play them on any of their Celtic Music radio shows. Young Scots are not getting the chance to hear their music.
I heard this song in class because we were studying Scottish dialect. It's a very nice Celtic song ^^ but the version I listened to is one from Tannahill Weavers and has bagpipes in it.
El escocés no es un dialecto. Supongo que te han enseñado o has leído que es un dialecto de inglés, ¿no? ¿Catalán y gallego son dialectos del castellano también entonces? Es mentira. Escocés es un idioma más antiguo que inglés, igual que gallego es más antiguo que castellano. Y tiene sus propios dialectos diferentes.
El Gaelico es un idioma, el escoces es un dialecto del bajo sajon. Y soy escoces. (Although they do say Edinburgh is the northernmost town in England).
El Catalan no es un dialecto, pero es una forma del bajo frances, o dicho de otro modo, es una dialecto del Provençal.
Sobre el Gallego mi ignorancia es tal que no are juicio alguno.
A'm no really heedin aboot thi languages o Spain bit wha telt yi thit Scots wis Low Saxon? Thi Germanic people in Sooth-West Scotland wur Angles fae Northumbria no Saxons. Modern Inglish is fae Saxon n Scots (n thi Geordie dialect) is fae Anglic bit thir's a Gaelic n Norse ifluence n evin a French influence thit Inglish disnae hae.
N how cin it be a dialect if it's goat it's ain dialects?Listen tae fowk fae Glescae n Dundee n Aiberdeen haein a bit crack n tell us thir aw speakin in thi same "dialect" o Low Saxon. In Franco's time thi Castillian's yaised tae say thit Catalan n Galician wur bad Spanish jist thi same as some fowk mak oot thit Scots is bad English.
Cannae mind wha it wis bit someb'dy a loat wycer thin me said, "A Language is a dialect with an Army and Navy."
Tha Gàidhlig agam-as cuideach'. 'Eil thu 'dol a dh'inns' dhomh gu bheil a' Ghàidhlig na bhlas-chainnt agus gu bheil i 'tighinn bhon Chainnt Eireannach? Nach eil prois aig na h-Albannaich nar rudan fhè'? 'Eil si' creidsinn gun d'thàin' gach nì a bh'againn bho na h-Èireannaich 's na Sasannaich?
Bha Alba na rìoghachd làidir dar nach robh Sasainn fiù 's na dhùthaich aonaicht' 's cha robh sìth ann 'sa cha robh Èirinn bhon aon rìgh a-riamh 's 's tha aid ag ràdh gun d'th'ainig ar cultura bhopu. Uill, chan eil mis' ga creidsinn co-dhiù.
It was an argument between two Kings, thousands of men were lost and their families lives torn apart- sound familiar? Times don't change but at least its a good song if nothing else.
13agibson 2 months ago
Three English soldiers watched this. Don't believe me? Check the red 'dislike' bar.
Oh, I'm sorry. It's invisible :)
MrGatonegroish 2 months ago
These guys are the best of the best
euanmaverduncan 7 months ago
anyone else notice how similar this song is to haughs o cromdale?
ScottieWallace 9 months ago
The cope wiZ a guid boozer
BOUNCER1941 10 months ago
the right side won at Prestonpans - The Scots !!
UP THE SCOTS
Steely1888 11 months ago
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@Steely1888 "the right side won at Prestonpans - The Scots !!"
And lost.
Cope's army had been recruited in Scotland and was largely made up of raw Scottish recruits.
oarfrost 11 months ago
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@Steely1888 "the right side won at Prestonpans - The Scots !!"
And lost. General Cope's troops were mostly Scots
oarfrost 10 months ago
I'm from Prestonpans, and live in England, no one knows of this battle down here.
It only lasted 2mins, even in history books it rarely gets a mention.
marvlus69 11 months ago
@marvlus69 You're right it was more of a walkover than a battle. The govt troops were hardly a crack force. Mostly completely raw recruits who'd never seen action - or aged veterans who were long passed their best. The artillery was in the hands of invalided seamen. The Jacobites didn't really encounter the govt army proper until Falkiirk which went quite well for the Jacobites - then Culloden which of course was a disaster for them!
gaconnochie 8 months ago
up the scots! From your gaelic cousins across the small sea. Saor Alba agús saor Éire!
Cliathairi 1 year ago 3
Class....sheer Class!
leithboy1 1 year ago
im from Campbeltown Argyll. Scottish to the core!
stuartE87 1 year ago
@stuartE87 But do you speak the language of your ancestors? Dont say shitty boasts that arent true, scotland is a shadow of what it used to be thats for definite
Pawnbroker00 1 year ago
Happy New Year from Hooks N Crooks!
wilsonj1954 1 year ago
im dutch and i lik scottish music
paramite55 1 year ago 2
In addition to the Campbells, the MacNabbs (sadly, the clan which I descend from) also betrayed the Scottish kings, both under Robert Bruce and Charlie. I hope I am descended from the few loyal scottish MacNabbs, which I suspect as my Grandfather always sang Loch Lomond
BlindKakashi 1 year ago
I couldn't understand a word... but it's cool ... yeah it is :D !
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nisestef01 1 year ago
I like this song. I read the Diana Gabaldon books who too?
Katyfan900 1 year ago
@Katyfan900 I have also read and found it great
babylone08 1 year ago
@Katyfan900 What's this about Diana Gabaldon's books? Why were they in her books and are they any good? I always thought she wrote fantasy.
DimpleScot 1 year ago
@DimpleScot One of the characters sings them. The books are simply amazing, and incredibly well-researched!
twisterroo 1 year ago
@twisterroo woah i read them like 3 times and i missed that! when is this song mentioned, and who sings it?
erdbeerkirschtorte 1 year ago
@erdbeerkirschtorte Roger picks up a gig singing at a modern-day festival and takes Bree along. It happens fairly early on in Drums of Autumn, after Jamie and Clare part ways with Bonnet. I'm sorry I can't give you the page numbers, but I don't have my copy with me :/
twisterroo 1 year ago
@twisterroo thanks a lot. my mom could remember that scene, too :) well i'm just gonna read the whole book, that not a problem!
erdbeerkirschtorte 1 year ago
@twisterroo Fiery cross; page 270, when Jamie is about to renew the old tradition to light the cross to ask his men to go to war with him. Roger sings this song, so the people can come in the mood for war (:
xSassenach 9 months ago
It was not Scots against English, it was an ideological and historical war fought between a dying, superstitious and antiquated culture (represented by Charlie and all he stood for) against a more modern, prostestant lowland outlook. Plenty of Scots joined the latter. Charlie manipulated the naive highlanders into fighting for his dying cause. The poor clansmen were sent off to exile 50 years later by the same clan chiefs that had led them to their deaths at Culloden. A sad Scottish tale indeed.
Huguenot1982 1 year ago
@Huguenot1982
A thoughtful and informed comment on You Tube, that's got to be a first.
best wishes
Stewart
SR61 1 year ago 2
Jacobiker-
It was hardly a lesson in warfare, it was an early morning ambush through a swamp that caught the government army half asleep and completely unprepared. In a face to face battle the Jacobites never stood a chance against the better trained, better equipped governement troops, as was demonstrated at Culloden.
You say you are a 'nationalist', however this shouldnt really be applicable to this war as Scots fought bravely and died on both sides.
Huguenot1982 1 year ago 6
@19wt60 As far as I remember he was talking about it in a very entertaining passage about piping and the best tunes of Scottish military pipe bands. I don't remember a military context, so I will have to read the book again - no hardship there!
DimpleScot 1 year ago
ah this is a great version of this song. Planxty do a great version aswell but its sang in a completely different air. pity its not on youtube...
timahoeboy 1 year ago 2
try Black Watch pipe band as they use this tune at reveille and it's on their CD
Taysidethistle 2 years ago
@Taysidethistle HELP me, lad. There are several CDs available on amathingy - which one would it be? I definitely need that one.
Pitfossil 1 year ago
@Taysidethistle & DinpleScot Thanks T ! There is indeed a pipe version on the Black Watch "Dark Island" CD, available on amazon. Price incl. p&p to the continent is ~ two uisghes in my favourite pub, which means for once in my life I might get home less than completely plastered.
Pitfossil 1 year ago
I read about Johnny Cope in The Complete McAuslan as George MacDonald Fraser said it is the most terrifying tune an army pipe band can play. Anyone know where I can hear a pipe band version?
DimpleScot 2 years ago
JOHNNY COPE ROX!!
xD
^^
iLuvPineapples666 2 years ago
Best version with the one of Planxty! Greetings from Ireland. K.
kitiamuriel 2 years ago
great performance - it rocks!
AyeWeCan 2 years ago 2
This song is about the battle of Prestonpans, The Jacobite army of The Bonnie Prince gave the British army a lesson in warfare..
jacobiker 2 years ago 33
Weren't the Highlanders fighting against a larger force then?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I tought they only lost about a hundred men.
Maedhros0Bajar 2 years ago 2
the highlanders lost less than 40 men at prestonpans they lost so little as they attacked the government armies flank in the morning mist
witchhunter32 2 years ago
no they fought against a similar sized force. Luckily the Whigs turned after the first round and fled and thus suffered large losses compared with the Jacobite,Some of the Whigs behaved bravely despite the route ( Col. Gardiner) and Johnny cope wasn't quite the idiot made out in this song..basically his men panicked at the charge of the highlanders..if they had stayed,like at Culloden, the '45 may have ended here. Jacobites maybe lost about 50ish ,the Whigs 300ish?
kendoscot 2 years ago
@jacobiker ENGLISH army. British does not equal ENGLISH .. *rolls eyes*
HaggisPowah 1 year ago
As a Nationalist bill you ought to ken better than to generalise.
A linage that's traced back to Robert the Bruce cant be all bad. and Charlie's men were fighting a profesional Brit army. I'm a Jacobite to the core but most of my empathy is with the Loyal men who fought for thier rightful king.
The common man bled the ground at Culloden, but Prestonpans was a Jacobite day, and Cope's horse still echo's doon the street's of Dunbar
Here's to the King sir!
jacobiker 2 years ago 23
Wasn't Robert the Bruce the Scottish king who fought against Edward "Long shanks"?
Maedhros0Bajar 2 years ago
Right you are, Jocobiker.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
@jacobiker i live in dunbar
robert123gb 1 year ago
@jacobikerJames 2 was a disaster and James 3 not much better...cowards and stupid...they lost their throne by being inept if honest rather than it being taken ... Charlie was at least brave if nothing else but truth be told he used the clans to try and reach his real aim..the throne of England..Scotland was never enough..sad but true..the only real heroes were the poor sods forced into fighting for him...now they are the real story...not some king or prince whose lineage was only ever parts scot
greyzorro1 7 months ago
Belle chanson écossaise(the Corriesqui raconte l'histoire de la bataille de Prestonpans(?) (une des rares victoires écossaises sur les Anglais. Les "Jacobites" étaient conduits par le "Bonnie Prince Charlie(Charles Edouard Stuart). Victoire hélas sans lendemain(voir 1745 Culloden ).
TheAMTRAK 2 years ago
The auld alliance did more for France than it ever did for Scotland....Flodden was the worst example.
BillDFC 2 years ago
Oh, true enough that the Scots couldn't trust the French to keep a treaty much more than they could the English. There were a few times when the French were of some aid such as in sheltering David II, but they were by and large at best useless.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
plastic yanks? maybe now, not in the two world wars
locheelad2 2 years ago
Lucky enough to see then NEAR CUMBERNAULD IN 66, IT TOOK THE JACOBITES MORE THAN 5 MINUTES, NEARLY 15 MINUTES...COPE RAN AWAY ON HORSEBACK ,,THEN HAD TO EXPLAIN WHERE HIS TROOPS WERE!!!
locheelad2 2 years ago
john cope was the commander of a government army in scotland in 1746 after the jacobites reteat to scotland john cope and his troops went after them , at falkirk moor ( now callander house ) the jacobites pulled a surprise attack and john cope fled away to stirling castle and faced the embarrasement of telling the castles commander why he was there , the battle for falkirk 1746 lasted less than 15 minutes
witchhunter32 3 years ago
Actually the song's about Prestonpans. The Duke of Cumberland was leading the Government forces by the time of Falkirk.
Garyoppolis 3 years ago
I thought as much. Good eye.
KiltDude32 3 years ago
yep Garyoppolis. the song's about Prestonpans right enough. the scots flanked the english left side as they were going into formation and decimated them. nothing to do with Falkirk. the cause still lives on.
pianoman1974 3 years ago
Cope wasn't commanding at Falkirk. He only did Prestonpans. Henry Hawley was in command of the government troops at Falkirk.
McAndy89 3 years ago
It wasn't really all his fault (as the court martial said). His troops weren't exactly battle hardened vetrans and they skeedaddled at the sight of a few thousand hairy highlanders charging them (and who wouldn't!).
moominpic 3 years ago
The Jacobite's weren't exactly battle hardened troops either. Nor were they professional soldiers unlike Copes men.
thistlewarrior 2 years ago
I think the notion of 'professional' differs a little these days.
moominpic 2 years ago
all right! gotta play this one!
Barrie562 3 years ago
dinnae flee lik a frichted bird that's chase fae its nest in the mornin
I love these guys. the cheesiness makes me laugh though. Jacobites through and through
glaschris08 3 years ago
When learning about the Jacobites in History our teacher plaed this all the time!
MervueMeringue 3 years ago
lol, at every 5th video i watch the comments are about politics.
why you always need to discuss about those topics?? enjoy this marvellous song!
sturmhammer88 3 years ago 2
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Because the song is ABOUT politics.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
what was the cause therefore ? .. there were more jacobites in england than scotland ... but the economically isolated clan chiefs were looking for some reversals in their fortunes as european trade opened via the lowlands.
charlie wasn't wearing tartan when he landed.
outshore 3 years ago
There were many reasons for the "cause". Some fought for King some fought for religion, many as you say fought for fortune and some chiefs fought to regain titles they had lost. However there was also the promise that Scotland would regain it's status of pre 1707 and for every Jacobite that fought for these reasons there were others who fought for the Hanoverians for the same reasons, just in a different context. It was a civil war.
thistlewarrior 3 years ago
ay and some fought for there very existance and name "MacGregors".....besides the first king of britain as a whole was a scottish one
TheScottsman13 3 years ago
Very true.
As for King James VI & I, he was Scots by birth only. He was raised and educated in England, groomed for the English crown. Disowned his mother, and never returned to Scotland once he had his crown.
One can only wonder how different the world would be if the Royal court had been in Edinburgh rather than London.
thistlewarrior 3 years ago
i beleive he was a stewart so he would have had to be of some royal scottish bloodline his mother mary queen of scots died in england executed by queen elizabeth wich killed her to execute and anagreated(spelling?) queen but his father i beleive was killed and him kidnapped by certain scottish nobles correct me if im wrong
TheScottsman13 3 years ago
Unfortunately like many, many of the misbegotten (sorry strong personal opinion there) Stewart line, he and many of them cared much less for Scotland than for England except when it was convenient.
I've often wondered what we did to offend God that we had such a royal line. (Ok, I'm ready for flames but it wasn't just Bonny Prince Charlie that wasn't exactly loyal when the chips were down.)
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
JT, you have to admit that life was never dull with the Stewarts.
Charlie is its true used the highlanders shamlessly, and others it has to be said. And didn;'t Elcho call him a"damn cowardly Italian" as he fled Culloden?
Regardless though many fought under his banner for a principle, have you seen the Jacobite swords etched with "Scotland and no Union!"
Sadlyb Charlie had as much interest in ending the hated Union as Gordon Brown has of being honest for five minutes.
Gaudd 2 years ago
Absolutely true on all points, Gaudd, although my gripe against the Stewarts go back further than. Whether it was Mary Stewart's arrant stupidity or murdering the Black Douglases at their own table or preferring England to their own loyal Scotland. But we were loyal to them because they were OURS. And heaven knows there were days when they were good kings too. But the flight of Charles Stewart has to make you a ill. So many good people paid. Ha. Gordon Brown and honest in the same sentence
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
Perhaps you were not familiar with the terrible obstacles that Charlie was up against in the uprising. He was treated horrendously by the French, by his father, by Lord George Murray, he overcame unbelievable internal Jacobite politics and came very close to pulling the whole thing off....and most importantly...destroying the Union and returning Scotlands independent status!
BonnieBlueFlag1314 2 years ago
I shouldn't post when I feel mad at the Stewarts. Because you're right that Prince Charles and all of them had their good side. He was up against obstacles that were more than terrible. It is his later behavior I fault. But he was what he was and one of those things was the rightful Prince and later the rightful king.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
I agree...the Stuarts were a useless lot and Charles Edward was about the worst.
He came here with no support or money and used the highlanders for his hopeless cause, then took off when it failed leaving those at home to pay the price.
BillDFC 2 years ago
It needn't have been a hopeless cause. The Jacobites could have won. Saying that the German and German-speaking usurpers had deep-seated love from most of their subjects just isn't true.
However, I can't argue that he shouldn't have come with more support -- which he could have done and his advisers told him and he should never have left his loyal supporters to pay the price that they did.
But their dastardy can't begin to compare to that of the Hanovers.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
The Campbells were the worst,enthusiastically persecuting their fellow Gaels in the name of government orders.
The Duke of Argyll was able to build the new Inverary castle on the money he received for supporting George 11.
BillDFC 2 years ago 2
Yeah, the Campbells dishonored their name for just about all time. My grandparents refused to allow anyone of that name in their house.
I try to remember that one of King Robert's staunchest supporters from the first and through the darkest days was a Campbell. But it's hard to forget what later Campbells did to their own people--for profit.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
there hasnt been a george the 11th
witchhunter32 2 years ago
Funny thing is that James flooded the English court with his Scottish favourites and the English didn't like it. It was a bit like Tony Blair's early cabinets.
moominpic 2 years ago
Hilarious.
thistlewarrior 2 years ago
Planet of the Apes
shallowcoat 3 years ago
as long as there will be men there will be war
killer1070 3 years ago
As long as there are men there will be war
killer1070 3 years ago
Saor Alba!
greeegs 3 years ago
how abour keep US politics in the USA........special relationship...FUCK OFF
dougie2172 3 years ago
How about us war planes using ireland as a depot.
Now then us politics becomes irelands problem.
The NAFTA and EU agenda are the same.
and the idea we should tell each other to fuck off stay out of my country's politics is exactly what is keeping you in the dark although you in the dark
uratsukudoji 3 years ago
I just want to say the irish and scotts in America have all but completely forgot they are descendent of irish or scottish at all.
Its completely systematic were called narrowbacks then bootleggers, still hillbily, redneck and these terms are used to make us think our culture we brought with us is wrong.
The federal goverment has targeted us in one way or the other. Prohibition is prime example.
Now they use crack.
uratsukudoji 3 years ago
That's funny... cos they come over and spend a lot of money rediscovering thir roots and buying tartan Loch Ness monsters.
moominpic 3 years ago
Why is that funny at all there lost from thier roots I fail to see the humor in it.
I think its great Im glad at least there trying.
uratsukudoji 3 years ago
In answer to your not seeing the humour of them having lost their roots, my coment is referring to "funny" being strange. You say the Americans have all but forgotten their roots but the amount of them coming to Europe and looking for the old country is very large, which would dispute your suggestion.
moominpic 3 years ago
very large compared to what I mean I met like nobody who even cares.
I live in america compared to our population there actually very few going there.
What would be strange is if everyone you met was like "yeah I been the european country my ancestors came from"
that would be like an episode of tales from the darkside.
uratsukudoji 3 years ago
I'd imagine a large number of people in UK are the same. There are many families which are immigrant (from centuries back) but have little or no interest in it. Maybe there's a reason both here and there why it isn't important to them.
moominpic 3 years ago
I am American, and I can assure you that many people care about their ancestry and would give a good deal to visit the places from whence their families came. A woman I know recently spent two years learning Polish and went there for a trip of several weeks. One very large obstacle, and not only for Americans, is EXPENSE. Most of us feel obliged to use our money for the kids' school bills, a comfortable home, and things that lie closer to the bone than travel. Be great to be idle and rich!!!
EMesaros 2 years ago
I agree EMasaros, as I've already pointed out above. Having lived in Ireland, Scotland and Poland I have met many Americans looking for their roots. I've also met German Americans on-line looking for roots etc. I've also got Canadian relatives (plastic yanks, I know) who are well aware of their heritage. I imagine there are many people who DON'T have an interest but it would be foolish to suggest nobody in US cares about their roots.
moominpic 2 years ago
if you checked your history the term jacobite refers to a supporter of the stuart familly ie. james stuart illigitimate son of kings charles II who had alot more supporters in england than in scotland it was only when parliament invited william of orange over that the cause moved mainly to scotland. so to sum jacobite refers just as much to englishmen as to scots!
rollerballrico 3 years ago
yes.. fair statement.... but Jacobites were generally the Highland clansmen... others fought for the cause.
miloshy01 3 years ago
I tell you why the BBC never plays any of The Corries, it's because that The Corries play Jacobite songs and played to a young audiance it could create notions that Gordon Brown wouldn't be too happy about. If you listen to The Corries version of 'Scotland the Brave' they sing about a free Scotland and Westminster can't afford that.
Glasgow232 4 years ago 3
aye the irish get off the union but wer left with them it just sucks like i always say il be a german before im a brit
spr65 4 years ago
Why don't you grow up? The idea that the BBC keeps the Corries off tv because it fears that they would stir up nationalist sentiment is just conspiracy theory nonsense. The great thing about YouTube is that it offers a chance for a new audience to discover music that's not in the mainstream.
As for the Irish, they're ok but they sat on their hands while the Scots (and the rest of the civilised world) fought against the Nazis. (That's the Germans that you prefer to the Brits, BTW).
gordyl 3 years ago
my grnadfather fought against the nazi. were american irish immigrants.
uratsukudoji 3 years ago
My Grandfather fought for the Germans, yet I am still a proud Scottish Nationalist. This has nothing to do with Germany. Also remember most Germans who fought were not Nazis. They were merely fighting for their country as you would fight for yours if required.
mog505 3 years ago
"They were merely fighting for their country as you would fight for yours if required."
...wrong, most people believed in hitler.some with more, some with less doubts.
Gruß vom kontinent
matzebrei07 3 years ago
Of course they believed in Hitler!!! Bloody hell, they voted for him. After the treaty of Versailles, Germany was totally fucked, the people were starving and poor. Hitler promised to take them out of that, you would vote for him in that situation. He didnt stand on a manifesto of genocide. He stood on a manifesto of dragging Germany out the gutter after the Europe destroyed it for no reason after WW1. (For which Germany was no more wrong than anyone)
mog505 3 years ago
Yes I agree and I think war is a ritual so my opinion is a little different.
but yes I dont think any germans were wrong for fighting in the war I think the war as whole was just wrong on all sides some americans were nazi supporters (jd rockefeller) (presscot bush)It's a big joke and the jokes on us and the people who fight and die.
uratsukudoji 3 years ago
yet you have no idea why. If you knew your history that was sold to you was a lie you might not be saying this.
conspiracy it is not there of course and the truth you think is nonsense is hard to accept.
so I hope your life in your is happy and you just accept the fact your a good little sheep.
Im sure your shepard will be pleased.
and as for my irish cousins across the ocean im sorry my great grandfather's left for america.
uratsukudoji 3 years ago
spr65 I think you are on to something
Why does BBC Scotland never show Scottish International football games, young people can't go into pubs to watch the games on SKY
Deprived of their culture, deprived of seeing the national team playing their countries national sport, what use is the BBC to the youth of Scotland.
Apart from feeding them Unionist Propaganda.
K100RS 4 years ago 2
the thing that gets me boat is that when a scot does something good they be a brit
tho when its a scot in jail hes a scot
iv been down tae england a few times and been jumped everytime for having a scottish accent so they cannae tell me the union spirt is strong down there
bbc is just used by westminster tae try and make everyone feel good bout being a brit, brit is just a other way of saying english
spr65 4 years ago 3
Proud to be scottish
LCarmichael9 4 years ago 4
The only reason I know of the Corries is i'm old enough to have seen them. Why does BBC Scotland never play them on any of their Celtic Music radio shows. Young Scots are not getting the chance to hear their music.
K100RS 4 years ago 3
becuase it would upset the union and they dinnae want that
spr65 4 years ago 3
awesome - cant help singing along!
bcnsco 4 years ago 3
Thanks for the poastan min.....
Smashan sang!
hoadmaback 4 years ago
we did this in class aswell...great song!
michaelmcguire93 4 years ago
I heard this song in class because we were studying Scottish dialect. It's a very nice Celtic song ^^ but the version I listened to is one from Tannahill Weavers and has bagpipes in it.
hekathombyon 4 years ago
AAl tail yi aaaaa yi need ti kain aboot Scoattish dialect.
Jist speir ma fin iver yi wunt....
(Sou Escoces i No hablar Espanol, mais falar Portugues)
hoadmaback 4 years ago
El escocés no es un dialecto. Supongo que te han enseñado o has leído que es un dialecto de inglés, ¿no? ¿Catalán y gallego son dialectos del castellano también entonces? Es mentira. Escocés es un idioma más antiguo que inglés, igual que gallego es más antiguo que castellano. Y tiene sus propios dialectos diferentes.
ElGalloDelNorte78 2 years ago
De acuerdo en cuanto la anciedad de el idioma de los Escoses, tanto como el idioma de Cataluna, y de el de los gallegos.
No entiendo a cuales de la gente quienes han comentado diriges tus comentos.
Disculpa q' mi Castillano es del Peru, y q' mi computadora no es bilingue.
Peor aun, soy natural de Texas, U.S.A.
buttonpuncher 2 years ago
El Gaelico es un idioma, el escoces es un dialecto del bajo sajon. Y soy escoces. (Although they do say Edinburgh is the northernmost town in England).
El Catalan no es un dialecto, pero es una forma del bajo frances, o dicho de otro modo, es una dialecto del Provençal.
Sobre el Gallego mi ignorancia es tal que no are juicio alguno.
socrateswept 2 years ago
A'm no really heedin aboot thi languages o Spain bit wha telt yi thit Scots wis Low Saxon? Thi Germanic people in Sooth-West Scotland wur Angles fae Northumbria no Saxons. Modern Inglish is fae Saxon n Scots (n thi Geordie dialect) is fae Anglic bit thir's a Gaelic n Norse ifluence n evin a French influence thit Inglish disnae hae.
ElGalloDelNorte78 2 years ago
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Shut the fuck up. Lowland scots isnt a language. Just because you peasant cunts forget the old language
CenturyGamer 2 years ago
N how cin it be a dialect if it's goat it's ain dialects?Listen tae fowk fae Glescae n Dundee n Aiberdeen haein a bit crack n tell us thir aw speakin in thi same "dialect" o Low Saxon. In Franco's time thi Castillian's yaised tae say thit Catalan n Galician wur bad Spanish jist thi same as some fowk mak oot thit Scots is bad English.
Cannae mind wha it wis bit someb'dy a loat wycer thin me said, "A Language is a dialect with an Army and Navy."
ElGalloDelNorte78 2 years ago
Tha Gàidhlig agam-as cuideach'. 'Eil thu 'dol a dh'inns' dhomh gu bheil a' Ghàidhlig na bhlas-chainnt agus gu bheil i 'tighinn bhon Chainnt Eireannach? Nach eil prois aig na h-Albannaich nar rudan fhè'? 'Eil si' creidsinn gun d'thàin' gach nì a bh'againn bho na h-Èireannaich 's na Sasannaich?
ElGalloDelNorte78 2 years ago
Bha Alba na rìoghachd làidir dar nach robh Sasainn fiù 's na dhùthaich aonaicht' 's cha robh sìth ann 'sa cha robh Èirinn bhon aon rìgh a-riamh 's 's tha aid ag ràdh gun d'th'ainig ar cultura bhopu. Uill, chan eil mis' ga creidsinn co-dhiù.
ElGalloDelNorte78 2 years ago
Ooooh - more Corries! I love the Corries!
(Why hasn't anyone else commented on this, it has been here for a year. You are neglecting our Corries!)
SaraCampbell0 4 years ago