Can a Pro-Life Christian Vote for a Pro-Choice Candidate? 1 of 3

[stuckinnj]

very well broken down into a very logical argument. I personally don't understand how any Christian could kill or vote in a Politician who supports killing Period.

[aaa333ify]

They say that embryos are less human than children. Then are children less human than adults??

[skathay]

@aaa333ify Answer my question above.

[aaa333ify]

@skathay First answer my questions first.

[skathay]

@aaa333ify That's what I thought.

[aaa333ify]

@skathay IDK, but there should be a punishment. Once we have educated more people on what abortion actually is, then we can start punishing people who have had abortions as murderers. However, as of today, too many women who have had abortions are ignorant of abortions' reality.

[skathay]

@aaa333ify Prove to me that women who have had abortions are "ignorant of abortions' reality."

[aaa333ify]

@skathay Well some women know its murder, but I have known other women who have had abortions who are definitely not killers. Therefore, THOSE women are ignorant of the reality.

[aaa333ify]

Can't believe endangered species have more rights then humans! ( I DO believe in animal rights though lol)

[aaa333ify]

@skathy and if you're a Christian, u must believe that the soul enters the body @ the moment of existence (biology tells us that moment is conception). So the offspring of 2 humans (with a soul!) must be a human...what else could it be?

[skathay]

@aaa333ify Where in the Bible does it say that? And why do you use biology to argue your case when it is convenient to you? It is convenient now to say "biology tells us that life begins at the moment of conception" yet I'm assuming you reject biology's claim to evolution.

[aaa333ify]

@skathay I BELIEVE in evolution. Most christians do!

[skathay]

@aaa333ify Where in the Bible does it say that?

[aaa333ify]

@skathay Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me. (Isaiah 49:1)

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:5)

[aaa333ify]

@skathy Premarital sex doesn't directly violate anyone's rights.

The Constitution instills the government 2 secure our rights. (a fetus is a human... even when u were a fetus, you were still you!) So the government SHOULD interfere, 2 do it's job of securing human rights.

[skathay]

@aaa333ify So what about the rights of the woman?

[aaa333ify]

@skathay The woman has every right to do whatever she wants with HER OWN body, not ANOTHER PERSON'S body.

[qwerty123456789jhdtg]

Christians are indeed not used to the fact of making choices, maybe that should remain the same indeed.

[qwerty123456789jhdtg]

Pro-life for me means that by performing abortion, you can prevent a life from being miserable and unwanted. If that is not pro-life, I don't know. By not allowing abortion, you are allowing misery to be created. I agree babies should not be killed, but if you are not born, and you are not even close to that, is that life ? Theoretically, life starts at birth, but ethically, life starts somewhere before born. But when ? Just after conception ? No.

[dorthey4him]

There is no such thing as a pro choice Christian. Those two things are contradictory to each other. Anyone who claims they are both are deceiving themselves. The same goes for killing doctors who perform abortions. A true Christian would never do that. Thou shalt not kill. It's a commandment, not a suggestion

[ddawn23]

Can we assume then that you believe there is no such thing as a pro-death penalty Christian?

[gmussina]

no, because there is a big difference between killing guilty life, and innocent life. personally, im against the penalty, but i can understand why someone can be for the death penalty. there's justification in some of the killing of death row inmates because we know that a greater good can come out of it. we can never know if an abortion would be fo the better. so dont try to compare abortion with the penalty.

[ddawn23]

The point Dorthey4him was making was that abortion is wrong because Gods commandment says so without any qualifications. So if we're going with the "Killing is wrong. Period." interpretation of the scripture, then the guilt or innocence of the person is irrelevant.

[gmussina]

like i said, i personally against the death penalty and the war, so i agree with your last sentence there. my point was to say that i can see why someone can be for a war or for the death penalty, because a greater good can come out of those. there may or not be justification in those things, but there's NEVER justification in abortion. so even though killing can come from war or through the death penalty, its not nearly as bad as taking innocent life through abortion.

[skathay]

Wow are you absolutely wrong. I'm a pro-choice Christian. You see, what I believe spiritually, which influences what I believe morally, is NOT the same as legality.

It's legal to have sex before marriage, but the government doesn't condone sex before marriage. It should be legal for a woman to choose to have an abortion in certain circumstances, but that doesn't mean the government condones it. I certainly don't.

In summary, I'm against abortion morally, but not legally.

[BenjaminWirtz]

@skathay

That doesn't make sense, how can you oppose something legally but not morally? You can opposed something legally but not morally, but not the other way around.

What if I made the claim I am opposed to rape morally but not legally?

[skathay]

@BenjaminWirtz No rational person would argue that they are opposed to rape morally but not legally, but I think that reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of this topic. Those who are pro-choice do not support abortion. They support a woman's right to choose. This is thus a legal issue for us, and a moral issue for you.

It's similar to "Hate the sin, but not the sinner." I may hate what she chooses, but I will not hate her for choosing it.

[BenjaminWirtz]

@skathay

If abortion is murder then it must be opposed both legally and morally unless you think you can oppose murder yet let someone else support it if they want to. Hate the sin but not the sinner pertains to forgiveness, not apathy.

[skathay]

@BenjaminWirtz Tell me, if abortion is illegal, what the should the punishment be to a woman who gets an illegal abortion?

[BenjaminWirtz]

@skathay

I am glad you asked that question, because I just wrote a blog on that very question.

The woman should face serious criminal charges similar to murder or accessory to murder, as should the doctor, her boyfriend and anyone else who enticed her into it.

[Pandalady366]

I agree, before I was a christian i was ok with killing unborn babys. Then I met God and he shown me how evil it is. Abortion is sooooo wicked.

[swingman24]

Christians did NOT rule the earth during the Dark Ages. In England the ruling authorities, The Roman Catholic Church, claimed to be christian but were liars. By the way, catholicism is not true christianity anyway. The "Church" put down christians and kept them down. Also, England is not the "earth" as you put it. There are and were other countries on the"earth".