Carlos Santana & Wayne Shorter - Mandela

[scumber56]

I was late for work every Monday, because i stayed up watching David Sanborn's late night music show, the night before. David and Wayne together; nuff said.

[scumber56]

I was late for work every Monday, because i stayed up watching David Sanborn's late night music show, the night before.

[funkagent]

Bunch of assholes talking about horseshit like racism when Carlos and Wayne Shorter are jamming?! Wake up Y'all!

[SuperTornado2212]

@q2w3bn876 BRAVO!! I totally agree with you bro! When Carlos hits a note Iimmediately know it's him! :o)

[PhilAroundhits]

I love Carlos but Nelson Mandela deserved better than this composition. Was it written by Sri Chinmoy or what ? It can be something when they play Wayne's material, Elegant people, Shere Khan... Best part is the Afro blue citation.

[OuKrokodil]

@PhilAroundhits Mandela deserves shit. The terrorist and baby killer that he is!

[PhilAroundhits]

@OuKrokodil Clint Eastwood should have been aware of that.

[OuKrokodil]

@PhilAroundhits Yes, he should have been. Eastwood is another Mandela-worshipper though!

[PhilAroundhits]

@OuKrokodil Two great men respecting each other.

[OuKrokodil]

@PhilAroundhits I do not know why you think Mandela is great. He is a terrorist and murderer of civilians and a communist to boot!

[PhilAroundhits]

@OuKrokodil Greatness is in the eye of the beholder. NM spent 27 yrs in jail, didn't lose his strength, was legally elected. He convinced his people of forgiving the white men's patent and established crimes during apartheid. That 's what I call a man. Amnesty International helped to his release, you can trust this organisation. It's not conducted by maniacs.

[OuKrokodil]

@PhilAroundhits What is grest about orchestrating attacks on civilians---wake up and smell the roses. Mandela was imprisoned for accumulating arms caches intended to wage terror campaigns against civilians. The judges in the Rivonia Trials were actually too lenient on him as the original sentence was death. Apartheid was no crime.Blacks were treated unequally because they ARE NOT equal to Whites. AND more Blacks have been murdered since Mandela was freed (1000% more) than in all Apartheid time.

[OuKrokodil]

@PhilAroundhits And guess who Mandela ais BIG buddies with? Gadaffi, the dead terrorist Yasser Arafat, Fidel Castro, to name just a few! The Whte man did not need to be forgiven for ANYTHING, just by the way!

[PhilAroundhits]

@OuKrokodil Blacks are not equal to whites ? I knew people like you existed, but I never met one. I play jazz, and racists are away from it.

[OuKrokodil]

@PhilAroundhits Listen dude, look at Black countries/communities. They are cesspits of depravity. I'm not saying that ALL Black people are violent/lazy/destructive. But as a group, yes. Just look around you. Look at history! And you talk about jazz? Puh-leez!

[PhilAroundhits]

@OuKrokodil You talk about depravity. Look at the internet ! You talk about violence. Look at the US foreign politic. Racism is a well known psychological mechanism of defence, allowing retarded and failures to think they are worth something. The nazis used this with the so called superiority of aryan race. Hitler was a paranoiac. Carl Jung, one of the greatest spirits of manhood, worked with allied secret services and predicted his suicide. All men are born equal, doesn't ring a bell ?

[OuKrokodil]

@PhilAroundhits If all men are born equal then why are their achievements not equal?

[montes707]

I love Wayne's reaction @5:52 ; gangsta ass fist pump right there.

[ugusmul]

wayne's the man

[davemh333]

Wayne is so beautiful. Sanborn is so lite.

[69MC97gc]

Europa-the song was improvised back-stage with a song called Mushroom Lady in mind,a songCarlos played 1967 to a girl who was tripping.

[dolphindance25]

Wow, hearing Sanborn along side Shorter really makes me appreciate Wayne even more. Sanborn sounded like an easy-listening wanker trying to play over some heavy shit, while Wayne was was actually complimenting the intensity and excitement the music.

[69MC97gc]

Why don´t you appreciate both,,,David is no wanker ..so tired of this bs you write.Sorry.

[Svettjodd]

I didn't realize it was David Sanborn until he started to play and I recognised that characteristic "alto to cheek angle"!

Quite interesting to hear these two great, but VERY different, sax players soloing side by side.

[Girolata]

This was a great idea for a TV show - too bad it didn't last.

[StevenCharlesJazz]

Love seeing great players interacting like this! To diss a musical artist (& yes ARTIST, a person who uses music as his vehicle of expression), simply because he is not technician to the Nth degree, is sadly a short-sighted mindset.

I'll take true musical artistry any day, over someone who can play the most complicated scales & patterns, but has nothing much to say, or no personal flavor in saying it!

[xMASdestructionx]

Dude is Marley on Carlos shirt?

Either that or I'm too stoned right now :D

[osensei2987]

Yeah! Santana is a big Marley fan! He even called Marley a prophet!

[CalledOfGod74]

I can't believe people are hating on Carlos. I guess there's enough hate to go around for everybody.

[willmercury]

Furthermore, Carlos is foremost a blues player with a cultural understanding of Afro-Cuban rhythm structures, has great feel, phrasing and chops within the space of his musical roots and the versatility to complement other musicians in variety of contexts. He doesn't need to play anything else-- he is who he is, and those he plays with respect and admire it. If you don't like it, don't listen, but you're missing an important voice.

[fusheeny]

well said my friend..

[thekydd1]

@willmercury Bravo! nicely stated....some people really can't hear the music!

[willmercury]

So sick of ignorant rants against Carlos. Listen up: artistic greatness is individual, not idiomatic. Speaking multiple languages, having a vast vocabulary or being a fast typist doesn't by itself constitute great content. Passion, integrity and insight matter more. Carlos' appeal, influence and collaborations are the broadest in instrumental music and cross all boundaries. He's played with almost everyone for 40 years and not for the cache but for the soulful beauty of the blended voices.

[petar870602]

Santana has no feeling to improvise and he can play only pentatonics and harmonic minor...

he is the most overated guitarist on the planet!

[sumoblues]

sanborn & shorter don't seem to mind what CS can do with "only" pentatonic & harmonic minor scales...oh & carlos is the one playing with these jazz icons...you're not. so how does that "feel"?

[petar870602]

and how many times did he play with them lol!

they needed little comercial boost....thats why

[fusheeny]

your fucking idiot...bottom line...

[petar870602]

i have enough tallant,knowage and ability to say what ever the fuck i want..so STFU

[fusheeny]

you can say whatever you want but your still a fucking moron for making comments like that..I find it hard to believe that you have any musical talent..Anyone who plays and knows music, gives respect to a artist such as Santana..

[sumoblues]

@fusheeny  right on, plus, if you can't even spell "talent"......'nuff said.

[thekydd1]

@petar870602 you just can't spell...lol

[petar870602]

artist yes musician no....

real musicians cant play the same stuff for 30 years..wayne shorter plays always diffrent and is searching for diffrent scales and harmony!

on the other hand santana is playing pentatonics and minor box!and he is not even a real blues player! i respect people like steve ray thats a real blues player..santana is just comercial pop star of the 70's

[fusheeny]

your off the wall..lets leave it at that..

[osensei2987]

WTF? Commercial? Most of his stuff never made to the radio! Just the early years got play time. But the man has 40 yrs of shit that the radio never played! So how is that commercial! But in spite of this fact the man has had a successful 40 yr career and is not broke, drugged up or dead like some! Listen to Caravanaserai, Welcome, Illuminations and Borboletta if you think he's just pop! Some of that stuff is on youtube if you search it! You'll see he's more than just a pop artist noob!

[petar870602]

no one got my point and not i am tired to argue about this....i agree with you leave me alone

[osensei2987]

Look man I know what ur saying! Santana is no Alan Holdsworth to be sure! And for the most part he's self taught and knows little about harmony. He plays by ear mostly. But he can stretch out when he wants to. That's were I think you're not giving him enough credit. His Borboletta CD for example can hang with the best fusion CDs ever made! I say Santana is a great musician, but there are better guitarists than him to be sure!

[petar870602]

Exactly.....you have said what i wanted to say !

my problem is that so many players play the same pentatonics over and over again that when i hear it and i want to puke...i like to hear diffrent musical views like Holdsworth,lane,Corea,Gambale,­mclaughlin....

[osensei2987]

I see your point. I really do. There was a time in Carlos' career when he was collaborating with John McLaughlin and Alice Coltrane when he could have developed into a more sophisticated player. Once again I refer you the Borboletta LP! But he deviated from that path and went back to playing the same old Latin boogy. I honestly don't see him as the being the type to do the study that's required to get to the level of the great fusion players. He simply is what he is.

[petar870602]

well said...btw check my version of Spain and comment :)))

[osensei2987]

I think the secret to the great fusion flavored LPs Santana made in the 70's lies in who was playing keyboards at the time. Namely Tom Coster and Richard Kermode! These guys brought lots of jazz flavors to the Santana Band of that period! The tune Samba Pa Ti on Abraxas for example had a very noobish chord progression consisting of harmony made entirely of triads. But when Tom Coster came on board he enriched the changes to Samba Pa Ti by adding Maj and Min 7th to the harmony.

[petar870602]

i knew it :)))

[osensei2987]

Carlos actually put the melody for Europa together early in his career (probably around 1969 or 1970). But the song lay dormant for years until Tom Coster helped him finish it by adding the chord progression. Yet another example of his limitation. Chester is a good keyboard player but he just doesn't bring the same kind of vibe to band that Tom and Richard brought.

[fusheeny]

@osensei2987 you guys can analyze all you want....bottom line is Carlos can play one note and send chills down your spine.,,so all those technically great players that you mention, Yeah, perhaps more knowledge and skill but no one has the feel and heart like Carlos..By the way, calling chester thompson " good" is a insult.

the guy is a killer player..

[osensei2987]

@fusheeny U have no idea ur talking about. I'm not talking about some Stevie Vai / Malsteen jerk offs. Lots of guitarists have just as much feel as Carlos and knowledge to boot. Stop nut hugging!

[fusheeny]

@osensei2987 another know it all...

[69MC97gc]

Carlos has never been a sophisticated lady,nor has his music been sophisticated...as in refined (like sugar)---no way..His music is earthbound.Even when he and John and Alice are in Heaven.Playing Let Us Go Into The House Of the Lord or Angel Of Water-Angel Of Sunlight...He simply is what he is is actually a badge of honor to Carlos,and would I ever get such a badge,to me too.

[sumoblues]

@petar870602 your point, if one can even call it that, isn't hard to get, so...don't flatter yourself. you're a narrow minded jazz elitist snob buffoon....we get it. just because i love jim hall, kurt rosenwinkel, eric dolphy, & anthony braxton to name a few, doesn't mean i can't appreciate the late great dimebag darrell or heaven forbid, jimmy page. even jazz icon duke ellington once alluded that there's only 2 kinds of music...good and bad. everything in between is "gray matter".

[q2w3bn876]

@petar870602 You forget that Carlos has won 10 Grammies, 3 Latin Grammies and sold over 80 milliom albums. He is one of the few musicians to have had at least one Top 10 hit in each of the past 4 decades. He may not be a jazz or blues player nor be as technically skilled as many of the shredders out there today. But he has an unmistakeable easily identifiable tone, so when he hits a note you immediately know that it's Carlos. Something a lot of guitar players of today crave for.

[senders14]

What a compliment of music, playing Mandela on top of it. Absolute perfection at it's finest.

Nice!!!

[dbassmon]

Cool.

Night Music was the best. Does anyone know the name of resident bass player ?

I believe that's Hiram Bullock on rhythm guitar too.

[stevenrmc]

Excellent --- of course, that is to be expected from these three.