In my opinion, this is infallibly the best ending. The Dark Age ending basically means a period of unbridled chaos and mankind kept at a fixed state at development, while the Illuminati ending fundamentally implies the world's problems will be temporarily solved, but things will soon to regress to the way they were before. Helios is an infallible and emotionless machine devoid of the inherent flaws that hinder human leaders. A part of me wants there to be a world-governing AI one day.
Nope, not really. Any AI will inherently possess SOME flaws or bugs in programming because it was created by HUMAN programmers. We would need to get fully sentient AI that learns everything on their own (like a child would) from the day of their creation. But again, AI that doesn't learn the values of compassion, empathy, or any type of human emotion would be worse than a cold and ruthless dictator.
@jcdenton2k An AI created by humans will have flaws. The solution to this would to give the AI the task of creating a better AI. This recursive process would continue to further eliminate error until the final AI approaches perfection. When the final AI is finished, it would then be tasked to rule humans, maintaining a specified balance of happiness, free will, truth, and safety. This balance must be specified by humans and this will determine whenever it succeeds or not.
@Devilsnevercry61 you can control much better with mouse & keyboard.. btw there is a special edition of deus ex 3 (human revolution) which includes the full dx1
PC original is highly recommended for many reasons. The PS2 version has some very detrimental compromises made in order to get it to work within the limitations of the console. Had it been developed natively for PS2 without the Unreal Engine v1, then we'd probably have a much better console game.
You can grab the PS2 version dirt-cheap now, probably under $5 online. Same with the PC version.
Recommended to get the original GOTY PC version not Steam version
I had to finish this game with cheats because the stupid door to the Helios Router bugged out and didn't want to accept my code, so I had to spawn a multitool to hack through it........
In my opinion, this is infallibly the best ending. The Dark Age ending basically means a period of unbridled chaos and mankind kept at a fixed state at development, while the Illuminati ending fundamentally implies the world's problems will be temporarily solved, but things will soon to regress to the way they were before. Helios is an infallible and emotionless machine devoid of the inherent flaws that hinder human leaders. A part of me wants there to be a world-governing AI one day.
@Deadlydesperado An emotionless leader sounds like a great idea. Sort of like a cook who can't taste or a boxer with no arms. What do you think leadership is?
@sosiopat How rhetorical. Emotion influences leaders negatively. They base their actions on what they believe in, instead of compromising to find solutions that would satisfy all, as an emotionless leader would do. You don't need emotion or ambition to be a good leader, you need only the insight and knowledge(which an super AI like Helios would have) to do what's best.
@Deadlydesperado The aim of politics is to alleviate human suffering. For that you need to care. "Compromising to find solutions that would satisfy all" = a BELIEF in compromise. Satisfaction = an emotion. An emotionless computer wouldn't be able to care about human suffering at all, but blindly follow its programming - which would probably be ideologically formed by its programmer anyway! It's up to us to elect politicians that are driven by emotions like empathy, rather than greed.
@sosiopat The aim of politics is to establish a system that satisfies those it presides over. I doubt many political figures are driven by the plight of the suffering, but by their own conceited ambitions and misguided devotions. Just because a machine can't share or experience emotion doesn't mean it's incapable of understanding it. Helios would "care" about human suffering because its directive is to alleviate it. And since it can understand and interpret the fundamental needs of society witho
@sosiopat The aim of politics is to establish a system that satisfies those it presides over. I doubt many political figures are driven by the plight of the suffering, but by their own conceited ambitions and misguided devotions. Just because a machine can't share or experience emotion doesn't mean it's incapable of understanding it. Helios would "care" about human suffering because its directive is to alleviate it. And since it can understand and interpret the fundamental needs of society with
@sosiopat out its vision being hindered by its own personal feelings or convictions. A machine could potentially have the capacity to understand mankind and what it needs better than any human could. Furthermore, you seem to grossly misinterpret the ending. Helios merges with JC, and therefore inherits his empathy and understanding of mankind, while still remaining emotionless and uninfluenced by personal convictions.
@Deadlydesperado Not a misunderstanding, but a realization that it makes no sense. Empathy and understanding = emotions/personal convictions. "Helios would 'care* about human suffering because its directive is to alleviate it." Sure, but he'd still have to decide between the suffering of gay people and the suffering of homophobes who find it disgusting and believe it a threat to marriage. My personal conviction is that the latter are slightly insane, but they still suffer. WWHD?
@sosiopat I'd trust a massive AI unbiased by personal experience regarding homosexuality to make such a choice rather than someone with their own personal agenda. Since Helios could more easily observe mankind as a whole, it would better understand its wants and needs. It would make a decision based on logic and reason rather than misguided beliefs and personal convictions. Logically, we all have the inalienable right to live as we wish as long as it doesn't interfere with the lives of others.
@Deadlydesperado No, those rights have been GIVEN to us by social movements and politicians with strong convictions. If you programmed the AI to respect certain politically defined rights, then it would practically have such convictions itself. Homosexuality DOES interfere with certain some people's lives. The AI would have to make emotionally informed decisions about whom to help, and whether to respect disgust or solidarity. The answer may seem obvious to us, but only based on our convictions.
@sosiopat Homosexuality only conflicts with the religious and close-minded. It has been a naturally occurring thing since the origin of humanity. Everyone has the right to live however they want to live. But those rights are suspended in many places because of close-minded people with immoral convictions. Incidentally, the notion of an AI such as Helios(an all-knowing, all-seeing, world-governing deity-like figure) could render religion obsolete(something that should have happened years ago).
@sosiopat Your claim that homosexuality "interferes" with the lives of others is a lie. Because a premise of your argument is a lie, your conclusion is not reliable.
@Dimensiom That's quoted COMPLETELY out of context. My point is simply that an AI would have to make a decision about whether to listen to the disgust of one group of people, or the solidarity of another, and that this would be based on convictions in its software. Homosexuality IS an interference, in the sense that it offends religious sensibilities. These sensibilites are antiquated and terrifying, but their disgust is as real as our solidarity. How the fuck is that a "lie", Mr. Formal Logic?
@sosiopat Therefore, I believe Helios would seek to discontinue the persecution of homosexuals based on logic. All I'm saying is that I'd trust an AI with an infinite bank of information at its disposal, the ability to perpetually observe the needs of mankind, a total lack of personal agendas and convictions, and the capacity to make decisions based solely on elegant truth and reason rather than a politician with his own personal interests and needs in mind. We've been governing ourselves ever s
@sosiopat ince the inception of mankind, and while we've had optimistic blips of success, we've been trapped on a mostly uninterrupted downward trajectory that will ultimately lead to our destruction. Ultimately, we are unfit to govern ourselves and we always will be.
@Deadlydesperado You aren't satisfied with blips of success, so you envision some impersonal utopia that will save us all. This is the problem with most utopias: They imagine that individual needs are an obstacle to societal greatness, when in fact their fulfillment is the very goal of society. Any society that suppresses human needs based on an impersonal idea, is doomed to fail. The AI wouldn't come close to satisfying all needs, but would face the exact same challenges as any politician.
@sosiopat I can't imagine how individual needs would be suppressed under a super-intelligent AI with the singular directive of ensuring the survival of mankind and establishing a pure democracy, something we could never achieve in a world as flawed as the people who rule it. People are corrupt, conceited, and often driven by their own interests as much as, if not more than, their sympathy for the plight of the suffering. An AI driven by logic and reason wouldn't make a perfect world, but it woul
@sosiopat d do a hell of a lot better than a myriad of politicians driven by greed and misguided devotions. Individual needs and societal needs must be given equal attention, but if the humanity must become an impersonal singularity in order to survive the poignant prospect of mankind destroying itself, so be it. I understand and respect your opinion, but self-governing pushes us closer and closer to destruction. I believe a notion as radical as Helios would be the only cycle-breaker that would
@sosiopat "The aim of politics is to alleviate human suffering. For that you need to care."
Helios did merge with a human (JC) because it admitted that it, itself, did´nt harbor the understanding of human feelings and suffering. So, completely emotionless I don´t think the A.I. is.
@sosiopat An emotionless leader that could not possibly make mistakes is perfect. There is no better solution, and it would also mean that no one country ruled, as a computer has no nation attached to it. It could be built by the finest Engineers, Mechanics and Technicians all working together. All of the horror stories of Computers rebelling could only happen if the computer was programmed to rebel, which would obviously not happen. Personally, I would feel much more secure.
Helios is the only ending that provides a chance of breaking through the cycles that civilization goes through. Whether or not it works out the way JC hopes is the fun of it, and something that could have actually been explored in the sequel.
@JCDenton112788 It's the PS2 version, not PS3. I would like to see a remake of Deus Ex by Eidos Montreal. It could become the PS3 version you are talking about.
Can something perfect be made by the hands of the corrupt without being tainted? If not, then God cannot be made by man and everything we can make has flaws.
I don't mind merging myself with an egoless AI. For it is only intellegent. I DO MIND merging with another ego-tystical human, for they are sentaint. My personality is me, so cyberize, upload me, and even merge me with an AI, but long as my personality and memory is still intact then I'm still human, I'm still me.
I still vehemently oppose this ending. Man built Helios, and everything built by Man is tainted by Man's opinions/beliefs/faiths/whatevers. Helios can't be objective since his programming was designed by an race that is built upon subjective beliefs.
But hey, that's what makes Deus Ex great. Forces you to examine your own beliefs before selecting an ending.
I believe that we'll never be gods, my friend. Only something close to it, but being human is just what we are, nothing more, nothing less, therefore immortality for us is an abstract dream. Nice find, man. IMO we could use Icarus' demise as a warning, but we should know that we cannot become as perfect as God.
"if there were no god, it would be necessary to invent him" Bull-SHIIIT, the world is better off without one, just as we have it now. People just need to wake up, and see the truth, instead of believing in superstition.
@Revixy Helios is unbiased, fair, incorruptible. This kind of just dictatorship is better than any type of "democracy" we have right now. Actually we don't even have a democracy, we have oligarchy, we are all ruled by the small elite, our political parties are just like one and another, no change, because that's what the ruling elite has decided.
With Helios (and Denton, mind you), nothing like this would happen. No corruption in the government. Everybody has a fair chance, no elites, etc.
@Revixy I don´t really think Voltaire meant it like that:S I believe what he meant is that we humans tend to always look for someone to lead us, someone who has the ultimate power, sort of speak. Even in a democracy there are people/leaders who we, in time of crisis, look up to as our "saviors".
true, but that doesn't make them gods, now does it? :) They may have power, but that doesn't make them any better than any of us. People shouldn't stand out, and rule over others without the voice of the people to guide them. Which makes democracy so important to our way of living in this world.
@Xetrez, Denton, or so I would assume, since he was the main hero in the first game. But I disagree with that ending however, as it pretty much takes away human freedom, and privacy. But play it and see for yourself.
@Visarex Thats why every machine needs to evolve,become more advance. You know that organic life is machine too? Its just other design. Concept is the same.
Most people cant think in the logic way because of some errors in their "programming". We call it "the emotions".
And only bad thing about Helios ruling the world is that propably human creativity has died, so nothing interesting could be invent. But I hope its not.Then it is an ideal system.
@RawrWolfie I think you should've put it like this: Stupid people need religion to keep them from going off the deep end. Sad really, I agree about that.
I love how Helios never actually answers any of JC's questions. He doesn't even tell JC what will happen to him if they merge. And JC's just like, "Yeah, whatever, let's get this over with." I was hoping he'd be a little more resilient.
God was invented by humans because to some rulers it seemed necessary at the time, to keep the masses in check. So Voltaire just stated the obvious; it was as far as an atheist could go expressing that there is no god, at that time in catholic France.
@Trondesson Don't state theory as though it were fact. What sets us apart from the zealots is our ability to consider possibilities - even ones we consider unlikely or unsavoury. That is the core of being rational.
@pentherapy It is not a theory to claim something DOESN'T exist that has never been proven in the slightest. It is however a hypothesis that something someone has made up in times long forgotten DOES exist. Like this concept of a god. So I claim there is no god until proven otherwise. Since there has been no proof whatsoever since the Dawn of Mankind, it's reasonably safe to assume that there in fact is none. By the way, the proving has to be done by the claimants.
I love, but really, love this end and this fucking game, I thought that "If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent Him" has a meaning in other way, but i love this interpretation
Most people do not seem to understand the implications behind this ending. J.C "Helios" Denton becomes a benevolent dictator. His scope of intelligence must have totally expanded to a point of incomprehensibility.
By choosing this ending, players essentially bring upon the Singularity.
wtf why change epic ending osts? and why render cinematics which bassically use the same camera angles and phtography than the original sequences? me not understand, boy i'm glad i play the pc version, the hud seems the only advantage of the others.
Worse then the Matrix actually. The Matrix robots needed humans for energy reasons. Helios' only reason is curiosity. Next day he decides to wipe us out and humanity is gone. See, do you really care if some ants live or die, we have nothing in common with ants, and so does Helios have nothing in common with humanity, and there is no reason it should particularly care.
@roller4312 Helios' reason wasn't curiosity. He was programmed to serve humanity's best interests, but recognised that in order to do so he needed a human perspective. That is why he absorbed JC.
@roller4312 "Helios have nothing in common with humanity, and there is no reason it should particularly care." This is precisely why Helios wanted to merge with JC.
@jaranu That's what you like to think, because your opinion favors the current flawed system. This ending is actually the most perfect ending that any society could ever have.
I was simply stating that this game is not meant to have a "Good" ending. ALL of them are meant to be up to the player for a reason. Stop acting all high and mighty over a damn game. Its pathetic.
I consider the Illuminati ending to be good. The world needs an invisible hand to keep it from going haywire. The is because each one of us percieves freedom differently, and act differently. We need a "hand" to keep us on the same floating point, otherwise we return to what was in the stone age. Only together we can grow stronger and advance, but we can't do that if everyone does what HE thinks it's best.
@Visarex That's kinda what I thought when I beated the game first that (and chose the Illuminati ending), but there was a distinct feeling in the ending video that it was going MJ-12 Bob Page, (Everett) Walton Simons (JC Denton)- route again..Helios could be the 'best' ending if it achieved it's utopian vision, but we all know that utopian visions never achieve their true goal (communism f.e) so it is hard to say whether Helios would be 'good' choice either.
I wouldn't mind seeing all the cutscenes for 'Conspiracy.' I play 'GOTY' on my PC. Stuff really looks good. I can tell they reused lots of the base sounds, too.
I wouldn't mind seeing all the cutscenes for 'Conspiracy.' I play 'GOTY' on my PC. Stuff really looks good. I can tell they reused lots of the base sounds, too.
Helios' government isn't really a dictatorship since he rules based on consensus measured with fact.
It's basically the perfect republic in all aspects except that you have no choice in elections, but if I understand Helios correctly if the majority of the populace did not want him running things and they had sound reasoning, he would turn over control
@override367 - No, still a dictator, just a really really nice one. Doesn't matter how much consensus everyone under Helios exercises amongst themselves, Helios is still facilitating it.
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Meh id hate to choose here. But i wouldnt say JC, just as his brother didnt, would fall into a trap of being offered absolute power with an excuse of just giving it up later. Men are too easily corrupted for that. If he was out for power, he wouldnt betray Unatco earlier. JC was on a destruction course right from the beginning. All he does is destroy things. Not exactly a great builder figure isnt he.
I also thought first this would be the best ending....but actually none of the endings is supposed to be the "good one". thats why its called a philosophical trilemma (situation with three unwanted options).
This was clearly the best ending. The "New Dark Age" ending was originally my favourite ending until I realised how it was just an idealism. Destroying technology would just plunge our lives into complete darkness; instead of liberating us it would enslave us. That's the way I see it.
And the Illuminati ending's hardly better. Capitalism driving the world; as if that's not been done before... xD
Apologies for the rant - but a supercomputer running the world is quite cool!! ;D
its hardly "the best". Placing a single human as a ruler.. And a machine with no concept of morale. Welcome to the matrix. It is different though from anything humanity has tried before. Uncertain outcome is better than nothing i guess.
In 50 years they will either succeed, or JC dies of age and the machine merges with Bob Page Jr. and there we go...
and that is how the first 0bamabot named 0bama was created
it's purpose... to spread communism across the US...
and to have gay sex with arab children. *lulz*
runsaber1 6 days ago
@zuljalalkhan I saw it! OMG it's evil...
Mayhzon 3 weeks ago
Pause at 0:48 and look at JC's hair ... oh ... crap!
zuljalalkhan 1 month ago 2
And that is how the first Borg was created.
Resistance is Futile...
jcdenton2k 1 month ago
HIVEMIND :DD
sirjefferson9001 1 month ago
In my opinion, this is infallibly the best ending. The Dark Age ending basically means a period of unbridled chaos and mankind kept at a fixed state at development, while the Illuminati ending fundamentally implies the world's problems will be temporarily solved, but things will soon to regress to the way they were before. Helios is an infallible and emotionless machine devoid of the inherent flaws that hinder human leaders. A part of me wants there to be a world-governing AI one day.
MasterLPG 1 month ago
@MasterLPG:
Nope, not really. Any AI will inherently possess SOME flaws or bugs in programming because it was created by HUMAN programmers. We would need to get fully sentient AI that learns everything on their own (like a child would) from the day of their creation. But again, AI that doesn't learn the values of compassion, empathy, or any type of human emotion would be worse than a cold and ruthless dictator.
jcdenton2k 1 month ago
Example: Death camps created to contain world population. You and your loved ones are to be executed. Are you still happy?
jcdenton2k 1 month ago
@jcdenton2k An AI created by humans will have flaws. The solution to this would to give the AI the task of creating a better AI. This recursive process would continue to further eliminate error until the final AI approaches perfection. When the final AI is finished, it would then be tasked to rule humans, maintaining a specified balance of happiness, free will, truth, and safety. This balance must be specified by humans and this will determine whenever it succeeds or not.
poorkingz 2 weeks ago
f I try to get Deus ex for christmaIs. Which one should I get, this one, or the original.
Devilsnevercry61 1 month ago
@Devilsnevercry61 If I mean
Devilsnevercry61 1 month ago
@Devilsnevercry61 Get the PC version. It's on Steam :)
DeusExMJ12 1 month ago
@Devilsnevercry61 you can control much better with mouse & keyboard.. btw there is a special edition of deus ex 3 (human revolution) which includes the full dx1
sirjefferson9001 1 month ago
@sirjefferson9001 which special edition is it? I can't seem to find it.
Devilsnevercry61 1 month ago
@Devilsnevercry61 idk, I live in Germany and here it's usually on the shelves of the electronics & game shops (seen it in multiple places).
sirjefferson9001 1 month ago
@Devilsnevercry61:
PC original is highly recommended for many reasons. The PS2 version has some very detrimental compromises made in order to get it to work within the limitations of the console. Had it been developed natively for PS2 without the Unreal Engine v1, then we'd probably have a much better console game.
You can grab the PS2 version dirt-cheap now, probably under $5 online. Same with the PC version.
Recommended to get the original GOTY PC version not Steam version
jcdenton2k 1 month ago
That' not fucking JC...
ONNIHOLTTA 2 months ago
A bomb
gidioter 2 months ago
WHO ARE YOU?!
I'm dah bomb. I'm gonna whoop your ass.
MiketheUser 2 months ago
Well theres a game that deserves a remake , i mean srsly , way lamer games got a 10th anniversary remakes
The PS2 version surely had more impressive sinematics but the graphics kinda sucked.
Stotinkah 3 months ago
w00t!? I thought theres only 3 Deus Ex games, this is the 1st but.. a remake? :O
MrWarcraft1337 3 months ago
Deus - God
Ex - From
Machina - Machine
HardlyAstounding 3 months ago
This version sucks. PC version all the way!
tempac91 4 months ago
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ShupaNaraic 4 months ago
What is this? Some kind of high def version of the original ending? Im confused :/
orkkilla5589 4 months ago
@orkkilla5589 This is the PS2 version.
Hivnom 4 months ago
I'm probably alone on this, but I kinda feel bad for Page at the end.
GJ231 4 months ago 2
@GJ231 HAHA! I felt the same too!
alerommel1 1 month ago
I like the cinematics but imo the pc ingamescenes are more nostalgic^^
Tallatior 4 months ago
I had to finish this game with cheats because the stupid door to the Helios Router bugged out and didn't want to accept my code, so I had to spawn a multitool to hack through it........
gsdfczx 4 months ago
This is what the Hyron project strived for. Human & AI combined. This is the perfected version.
pokemanz 4 months ago 32
@pokemanz Combination of a singularity that would surpass the fundamentals of biology and technology together.
Azieru82 2 months ago
Oh my god! I've never seen this before! How stunning! I wish this is what they had done for the PC version's endings!!!
Knifegash 4 months ago
He did the head-shaking thing just like the syborg ninja frank yaeger from MGS1
NWKklown 4 months ago
In my opinion, this is infallibly the best ending. The Dark Age ending basically means a period of unbridled chaos and mankind kept at a fixed state at development, while the Illuminati ending fundamentally implies the world's problems will be temporarily solved, but things will soon to regress to the way they were before. Helios is an infallible and emotionless machine devoid of the inherent flaws that hinder human leaders. A part of me wants there to be a world-governing AI one day.
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago 3
@Deadlydesperado An emotionless leader sounds like a great idea. Sort of like a cook who can't taste or a boxer with no arms. What do you think leadership is?
sosiopat 4 months ago
@sosiopat How rhetorical. Emotion influences leaders negatively. They base their actions on what they believe in, instead of compromising to find solutions that would satisfy all, as an emotionless leader would do. You don't need emotion or ambition to be a good leader, you need only the insight and knowledge(which an super AI like Helios would have) to do what's best.
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago 2
@Deadlydesperado The aim of politics is to alleviate human suffering. For that you need to care. "Compromising to find solutions that would satisfy all" = a BELIEF in compromise. Satisfaction = an emotion. An emotionless computer wouldn't be able to care about human suffering at all, but blindly follow its programming - which would probably be ideologically formed by its programmer anyway! It's up to us to elect politicians that are driven by emotions like empathy, rather than greed.
sosiopat 4 months ago
@sosiopat The aim of politics is to establish a system that satisfies those it presides over. I doubt many political figures are driven by the plight of the suffering, but by their own conceited ambitions and misguided devotions. Just because a machine can't share or experience emotion doesn't mean it's incapable of understanding it. Helios would "care" about human suffering because its directive is to alleviate it. And since it can understand and interpret the fundamental needs of society witho
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@sosiopat The aim of politics is to establish a system that satisfies those it presides over. I doubt many political figures are driven by the plight of the suffering, but by their own conceited ambitions and misguided devotions. Just because a machine can't share or experience emotion doesn't mean it's incapable of understanding it. Helios would "care" about human suffering because its directive is to alleviate it. And since it can understand and interpret the fundamental needs of society with
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@sosiopat out its vision being hindered by its own personal feelings or convictions. A machine could potentially have the capacity to understand mankind and what it needs better than any human could. Furthermore, you seem to grossly misinterpret the ending. Helios merges with JC, and therefore inherits his empathy and understanding of mankind, while still remaining emotionless and uninfluenced by personal convictions.
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@Deadlydesperado Not a misunderstanding, but a realization that it makes no sense. Empathy and understanding = emotions/personal convictions. "Helios would 'care* about human suffering because its directive is to alleviate it." Sure, but he'd still have to decide between the suffering of gay people and the suffering of homophobes who find it disgusting and believe it a threat to marriage. My personal conviction is that the latter are slightly insane, but they still suffer. WWHD?
sosiopat 4 months ago
@sosiopat I'd trust a massive AI unbiased by personal experience regarding homosexuality to make such a choice rather than someone with their own personal agenda. Since Helios could more easily observe mankind as a whole, it would better understand its wants and needs. It would make a decision based on logic and reason rather than misguided beliefs and personal convictions. Logically, we all have the inalienable right to live as we wish as long as it doesn't interfere with the lives of others.
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@Deadlydesperado No, those rights have been GIVEN to us by social movements and politicians with strong convictions. If you programmed the AI to respect certain politically defined rights, then it would practically have such convictions itself. Homosexuality DOES interfere with certain some people's lives. The AI would have to make emotionally informed decisions about whom to help, and whether to respect disgust or solidarity. The answer may seem obvious to us, but only based on our convictions.
sosiopat 4 months ago
@sosiopat Homosexuality only conflicts with the religious and close-minded. It has been a naturally occurring thing since the origin of humanity. Everyone has the right to live however they want to live. But those rights are suspended in many places because of close-minded people with immoral convictions. Incidentally, the notion of an AI such as Helios(an all-knowing, all-seeing, world-governing deity-like figure) could render religion obsolete(something that should have happened years ago).
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@sosiopat Your claim that homosexuality "interferes" with the lives of others is a lie. Because a premise of your argument is a lie, your conclusion is not reliable.
Dimensiom 4 months ago
@Dimensiom That's quoted COMPLETELY out of context. My point is simply that an AI would have to make a decision about whether to listen to the disgust of one group of people, or the solidarity of another, and that this would be based on convictions in its software. Homosexuality IS an interference, in the sense that it offends religious sensibilities. These sensibilites are antiquated and terrifying, but their disgust is as real as our solidarity. How the fuck is that a "lie", Mr. Formal Logic?
sosiopat 4 months ago
@sosiopat Therefore, I believe Helios would seek to discontinue the persecution of homosexuals based on logic. All I'm saying is that I'd trust an AI with an infinite bank of information at its disposal, the ability to perpetually observe the needs of mankind, a total lack of personal agendas and convictions, and the capacity to make decisions based solely on elegant truth and reason rather than a politician with his own personal interests and needs in mind. We've been governing ourselves ever s
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@sosiopat ince the inception of mankind, and while we've had optimistic blips of success, we've been trapped on a mostly uninterrupted downward trajectory that will ultimately lead to our destruction. Ultimately, we are unfit to govern ourselves and we always will be.
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@Deadlydesperado You aren't satisfied with blips of success, so you envision some impersonal utopia that will save us all. This is the problem with most utopias: They imagine that individual needs are an obstacle to societal greatness, when in fact their fulfillment is the very goal of society. Any society that suppresses human needs based on an impersonal idea, is doomed to fail. The AI wouldn't come close to satisfying all needs, but would face the exact same challenges as any politician.
sosiopat 4 months ago
@sosiopat I can't imagine how individual needs would be suppressed under a super-intelligent AI with the singular directive of ensuring the survival of mankind and establishing a pure democracy, something we could never achieve in a world as flawed as the people who rule it. People are corrupt, conceited, and often driven by their own interests as much as, if not more than, their sympathy for the plight of the suffering. An AI driven by logic and reason wouldn't make a perfect world, but it woul
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@sosiopat d do a hell of a lot better than a myriad of politicians driven by greed and misguided devotions. Individual needs and societal needs must be given equal attention, but if the humanity must become an impersonal singularity in order to survive the poignant prospect of mankind destroying itself, so be it. I understand and respect your opinion, but self-governing pushes us closer and closer to destruction. I believe a notion as radical as Helios would be the only cycle-breaker that would
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@sosiopat save us from inevitable destruction.
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
@Deadlydesperado On that note, I'm withdrawing from this argument because it's become dreadfully one-sided.
Deadlydesperado 4 months ago
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@sosiopat "The aim of politics is to alleviate human suffering. For that you need to care."
Helios did merge with a human (JC) because it admitted that it, itself, did´nt harbor the understanding of human feelings and suffering. So, completely emotionless I don´t think the A.I. is.
Nekhet 4 months ago
@sosiopat An emotionless leader that could not possibly make mistakes is perfect. There is no better solution, and it would also mean that no one country ruled, as a computer has no nation attached to it. It could be built by the finest Engineers, Mechanics and Technicians all working together. All of the horror stories of Computers rebelling could only happen if the computer was programmed to rebel, which would obviously not happen. Personally, I would feel much more secure.
PrrrromotionGiven 1 month ago
Helios is the only ending that provides a chance of breaking through the cycles that civilization goes through. Whether or not it works out the way JC hopes is the fun of it, and something that could have actually been explored in the sequel.
shinhell 4 months ago 67
Wesker fused with helios!
setsuma2 4 months ago
@IlIIllIllII i dont know what that makes us...but i do know that PS3 version of Deus EX sucks.
JCDenton112788 4 months ago
@JCDenton112788 It's the PS2 version, not PS3. I would like to see a remake of Deus Ex by Eidos Montreal. It could become the PS3 version you are talking about.
yaroslavkhnygin 4 months ago
Can something perfect be made by the hands of the corrupt without being tainted? If not, then God cannot be made by man and everything we can make has flaws.
It's a fact of life.
ZezimaXL 4 months ago
@ZezimaXL excellently conveyed, sir.
NWKklown 4 months ago
@ZezimaXL Well, as someone else said: A man with a bad handwriting can create a typewriter which print out flawless text.
Nekhet 4 months ago
Well said
ikosabre 4 months ago
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
irritablerodent 4 months ago 4
I like how it took longer to install the game than it did for Helios to download into JC's brain.
rjbonacolta 4 months ago
@rjbonacolta It´s the future, baby!!;D
Nekhet 4 months ago
DEUS EX THE MOVIE ;_;
Theowest 4 months ago
jc looks more like albert wesker in this version.
Galapagos102 4 months ago
great ending great game went for dark age though
EnveeH2 4 months ago
Easily my favorite ending.
chadrageus 5 months ago
I don't mind merging myself with an egoless AI. For it is only intellegent. I DO MIND merging with another ego-tystical human, for they are sentaint. My personality is me, so cyberize, upload me, and even merge me with an AI, but long as my personality and memory is still intact then I'm still human, I'm still me.
whydid666 5 months ago
I still vehemently oppose this ending. Man built Helios, and everything built by Man is tainted by Man's opinions/beliefs/faiths/whatevers. Helios can't be objective since his programming was designed by an race that is built upon subjective beliefs.
But hey, that's what makes Deus Ex great. Forces you to examine your own beliefs before selecting an ending.
JohnnyC133 5 months ago
@JohnnyC133 So, what about the other endings?? They are just as much influenced by mankind and its flaws..
Nekhet 4 months ago
@IlIIllIllII maintenance man.
JCDenton112788 5 months ago
Check this...Helios says:
We are Daedalus (The Father)
We are Icarus (The Son)
But I have no knowledge of who or what it refers to as the Holy Spirit in the game.
DarqTalonAzel 5 months ago 2
@DarqTalonAzel Helios is the holy spirit.
AmonDevilman 5 months ago
@AmonDevilman
Really? Okay, thanks.
DarqTalonAzel 5 months ago
@DarqTalonAzel Other fun fact, Icarus died because he flew too near of the sun... Helios is the god of the Sun.
Should we take the Icarus´ tale as a warning of trying to reach Godliness, or ignore it as a mere miscalculation and keep trying?
buntado6 1 month ago
@buntado6
I believe that we'll never be gods, my friend. Only something close to it, but being human is just what we are, nothing more, nothing less, therefore immortality for us is an abstract dream. Nice find, man. IMO we could use Icarus' demise as a warning, but we should know that we cannot become as perfect as God.
DarqTalonAzel 1 month ago
@buntado6 latter
sirjefferson9001 1 month ago
"if there were no god, it would be necessary to invent him" Bull-SHIIIT, the world is better off without one, just as we have it now. People just need to wake up, and see the truth, instead of believing in superstition.
Revixy 5 months ago
@Revixy Helios is unbiased, fair, incorruptible. This kind of just dictatorship is better than any type of "democracy" we have right now. Actually we don't even have a democracy, we have oligarchy, we are all ruled by the small elite, our political parties are just like one and another, no change, because that's what the ruling elite has decided.
With Helios (and Denton, mind you), nothing like this would happen. No corruption in the government. Everybody has a fair chance, no elites, etc.
Xetrez 5 months ago 5
@Revixy Say that to Voltaire's face and see what happens.
tauwilltriumph 5 months ago
@Revixy I don´t really think Voltaire meant it like that:S I believe what he meant is that we humans tend to always look for someone to lead us, someone who has the ultimate power, sort of speak. Even in a democracy there are people/leaders who we, in time of crisis, look up to as our "saviors".
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Revixy 4 months ago
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true, but that doesn't make them gods, now does it? :) They may have power, but that doesn't make them any better than any of us. People shouldn't stand out, and rule over others without the voice of the people to guide them. Which makes democracy so important to our way of living in this world.
Revixy 4 months ago
@IlIIllIllII perfectionists, innovators, self starters..... our own projections of what was once known as "god"
blitzer1110 5 months ago
What's the canon ending in Invisible War? If there is one.
Xetrez 5 months ago
@Xetrez They kind of mix them all up for Invisible War, but Helios is the MOST canon, if that makes sense.
stevemcquark 5 months ago
@Xetrez, Denton, or so I would assume, since he was the main hero in the first game. But I disagree with that ending however, as it pretty much takes away human freedom, and privacy. But play it and see for yourself.
Revixy 5 months ago
THe Conspiracy port have some really good CG cutscenes.
ProkoLokor 5 months ago
@IlIIllIllII
Yes, but it's a machine, it needs maintenance, and it's not flawless.
A machine will never be able to think. It will always be limited to its programming, no matter how advanced that is.
Visarex 5 months ago
@Visarex Thats why every machine needs to evolve,become more advance. You know that organic life is machine too? Its just other design. Concept is the same.
Most people cant think in the logic way because of some errors in their "programming". We call it "the emotions".
And only bad thing about Helios ruling the world is that propably human creativity has died, so nothing interesting could be invent. But I hope its not.Then it is an ideal system.
vader228 5 months ago
I guess this means Page doesn't get the job.
goldzero1203 5 months ago 3
JC-"WHO ARE YOU?" Helios-"A BOMB"
TearsOfWar1 5 months ago 36
Favourtie line in the game
"I...We...are...ONE"
MrPromiscuousBlisc 5 months ago
@aidan456456 Wrong. It makes us just what we are. Humans.
Trondesson 6 months ago
Why is there a devil in his head.
thehungrynub 6 months ago
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Helios makes 0bama suck Osama's cock 2000x a week....
and take it up the ass by 1500 jihadists...
....then has him pray to allah each night. *L*
runsaber1 6 months ago
@IlIIllIllII I don't think there's such thing...maybe someday we will find another life forms, but that's about it.
LocoGroove 6 months ago
@LocoGroove
god is an illogical idea and yet "other life forms" are? you guys make me lol.
RATPT0I 6 months ago
@IlIIllIllII Great comment, except the parts where you mentioned "God"...it's 2011, I think we should get rid of those ridiculous religious ideas.
LocoGroove 6 months ago
@LocoGroove So because he spelled God is a capital G it automatically makes him a theist? wtf?
iBlah6666 6 months ago
@LocoGroove
No, people still need religion to keep them from going off the deep end.
RawrWolfie 5 months ago
@RawrWolfie Is that a joke?
LocoGroove 5 months ago
@LocoGroove
No, don't be so ignorant. I don't believe in religion but the world is too young to be so independent. Sad really.
RawrWolfie 5 months ago
@RawrWolfie I think you should've put it like this: Stupid people need religion to keep them from going off the deep end. Sad really, I agree about that.
LocoGroove 5 months ago
I love how Helios never actually answers any of JC's questions. He doesn't even tell JC what will happen to him if they merge. And JC's just like, "Yeah, whatever, let's get this over with." I was hoping he'd be a little more resilient.
19andoverlol 7 months ago 4
If there were no God it would be necessary to invent him
- Voltair
BAD ASS QUOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Danny21531 7 months ago
@Danny21531 ???
God was invented by humans because to some rulers it seemed necessary at the time, to keep the masses in check. So Voltaire just stated the obvious; it was as far as an atheist could go expressing that there is no god, at that time in catholic France.
Trondesson 6 months ago
@Trondesson still a bad ass quote
Danny21531 6 months ago
@Trondesson Don't state theory as though it were fact. What sets us apart from the zealots is our ability to consider possibilities - even ones we consider unlikely or unsavoury. That is the core of being rational.
pentherapy 6 months ago
@pentherapy It is not a theory to claim something DOESN'T exist that has never been proven in the slightest. It is however a hypothesis that something someone has made up in times long forgotten DOES exist. Like this concept of a god. So I claim there is no god until proven otherwise. Since there has been no proof whatsoever since the Dawn of Mankind, it's reasonably safe to assume that there in fact is none. By the way, the proving has to be done by the claimants.
Trondesson 6 months ago
JC Denton looks so much cooler in these cutscenes than he does in the original PC version. Still, he's the most badass character there is.
sunderking 7 months ago
@IlIIllIllII Good typewriter salesmen?
somekindofawesome1 7 months ago
I love, but really, love this end and this fucking game, I thought that "If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent Him" has a meaning in other way, but i love this interpretation
MIzrras 7 months ago
@IlIIllIllII
People like You make Youtube worthwile. You make us feel we don't waste time watching pointless videos. Bows to You.
kuniqs1 7 months ago
Most people do not seem to understand the implications behind this ending. J.C "Helios" Denton becomes a benevolent dictator. His scope of intelligence must have totally expanded to a point of incomprehensibility.
By choosing this ending, players essentially bring upon the Singularity.
lolbucketman 7 months ago 4
W.. Wesker?
Gauphastus 7 months ago
wtf why change epic ending osts? and why render cinematics which bassically use the same camera angles and phtography than the original sequences? me not understand, boy i'm glad i play the pc version, the hud seems the only advantage of the others.
sidaharta 8 months ago
@IlIIllIllII Creators
Piledriver86 8 months ago
when did the graphics get so good in Deus Ex 1?
27kdon 8 months ago
@27kdon this is from the ps2 version which replaced the endings with actual cutscenes
sword4005 8 months ago
@27kdon The PS2 version has prerendered (so no actual graphic) Cutscenes, I envy it for this.
Procredonioliostarca 8 months ago
@27kdon since PS2 version had cinematics...
13baldjj 8 months ago
@IlIIllIllII "If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent one". And so we did.
BaconIsOverrated 8 months ago
Was this game expecially for Playstation, isn't it? The PC version was totally different as graphic of cinematics
RiMa345 9 months ago
@InfinityWard312
Worse then the Matrix actually. The Matrix robots needed humans for energy reasons. Helios' only reason is curiosity. Next day he decides to wipe us out and humanity is gone. See, do you really care if some ants live or die, we have nothing in common with ants, and so does Helios have nothing in common with humanity, and there is no reason it should particularly care.
roller4312 9 months ago
@roller4312 Helios' reason wasn't curiosity. He was programmed to serve humanity's best interests, but recognised that in order to do so he needed a human perspective. That is why he absorbed JC.
thatsniperisaspy 9 months ago
@thatsniperisaspy They merged to be exact. Cuz JC is a good dude.
wcdornez 8 months ago
@roller4312 "Helios have nothing in common with humanity, and there is no reason it should particularly care." This is precisely why Helios wanted to merge with JC.
BaconIsOverrated 8 months ago
@roller4312 Dude you are the one that brought the matrix up not me.
InfinityWard312 8 months ago
It's not the same without the music.
tohopes 9 months ago
lol when u look in his gair 0:49 u can see the face of satan if u look good
IgarashiGanta 11 months ago
Zombie?
theLepisma 11 months ago
0:50 look at his hair =)
rakonda 11 months ago
i dont get it. is this the good ending? if not then which is?
TheFoxshot 11 months ago
@TheFoxshot there arent really any 'good' endings to Deus Ex, but yeah its one of the better ones^^
woodwyrm 11 months ago
@TheFoxshot There are no good endings. It all depends on what you think is the best outcome.
jaranu 11 months ago 37
@jaranu That's what you like to think, because your opinion favors the current flawed system. This ending is actually the most perfect ending that any society could ever have.
MarkFidelio 9 months ago
@MarkFidelio THIS IS MY FAVORITE ENDING DUMBASS.
I was simply stating that this game is not meant to have a "Good" ending. ALL of them are meant to be up to the player for a reason. Stop acting all high and mighty over a damn game. Its pathetic.
jaranu 9 months ago 2
@jaranu Agreed. There is no good or bad, there is only different points of view.
Empowerless 5 months ago
@Empowerless
I consider the Illuminati ending to be good. The world needs an invisible hand to keep it from going haywire. The is because each one of us percieves freedom differently, and act differently. We need a "hand" to keep us on the same floating point, otherwise we return to what was in the stone age. Only together we can grow stronger and advance, but we can't do that if everyone does what HE thinks it's best.
Visarex 5 months ago
@Visarex That's kinda what I thought when I beated the game first that (and chose the Illuminati ending), but there was a distinct feeling in the ending video that it was going MJ-12 Bob Page, (Everett) Walton Simons (JC Denton)- route again..Helios could be the 'best' ending if it achieved it's utopian vision, but we all know that utopian visions never achieve their true goal (communism f.e) so it is hard to say whether Helios would be 'good' choice either.
Empowerless 5 months ago
wesker!!!!!!!
Vzamm 11 months ago
man jc looks retarded in the ps2 version.
Jedimasta21 11 months ago
WHO ARE-YOU ?!
XtremeItachou 1 year ago
WE ARE THE BORG!
chabitz 1 year ago 3
Seriously, someone needs to make a movie based on the first game with this particular ending.
AtheistTower 1 year ago
Is the other guy Bob Page?
catlitta 1 year ago
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surangiable 1 year ago
At 0:49, am I the only one who sees the devil?
BahamutVoid 1 year ago 6
@BahamutVoid
In his hair?
MorpheusOmikron 1 year ago
@BahamutVoid No XD
catlitta 1 year ago
@BahamutVoid i saw that too, on the top of JC's head.
lilrizq 1 year ago
I wouldn't mind seeing all the cutscenes for 'Conspiracy.' I play 'GOTY' on my PC. Stuff really looks good. I can tell they reused lots of the base sounds, too.
Thanks for the post, JCPhoenix!
Aggedor1959 1 year ago
I wouldn't mind seeing all the cutscenes for 'Conspiracy.' I play 'GOTY' on my PC. Stuff really looks good. I can tell they reused lots of the base sounds, too.
JCPhoenix
Aggedor1959 1 year ago
awesome ending, although i always go with the dark age
YOYOdaMOOSE 1 year ago 2
Helios!!!
ImperVas5 1 year ago
cool he becomes a protoss archon
KillerTowfoo 1 year ago
Wth? Page looks like a crash test dummie in this one
Pelmenji 1 year ago
Helios' government isn't really a dictatorship since he rules based on consensus measured with fact.
It's basically the perfect republic in all aspects except that you have no choice in elections, but if I understand Helios correctly if the majority of the populace did not want him running things and they had sound reasoning, he would turn over control
override367 1 year ago 3
@override367 - No, still a dictator, just a really really nice one. Doesn't matter how much consensus everyone under Helios exercises amongst themselves, Helios is still facilitating it.
ToiletBomberAlpha 1 year ago
@ToiletBomberAlpha no that not right he is not facilitating it. they are.
lemons604 1 year ago
@override367 You kind of do have a vote, your vote is merely logged every nano-second. Perfect, up-to-date information.
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lavernedi 1 year ago
Meh id hate to choose here. But i wouldnt say JC, just as his brother didnt, would fall into a trap of being offered absolute power with an excuse of just giving it up later. Men are too easily corrupted for that. If he was out for power, he wouldnt betray Unatco earlier. JC was on a destruction course right from the beginning. All he does is destroy things. Not exactly a great builder figure isnt he.
roller4312 1 year ago
I also thought first this would be the best ending....but actually none of the endings is supposed to be the "good one". thats why its called a philosophical trilemma (situation with three unwanted options).
Mulieri7 1 year ago
@Mulieri7 How is this nót the best ending?
gannen33 1 year ago
They should let you join Page. I'd like to see his ending.
maledikt 1 year ago 5
JC looks like Mark Kermode in this.
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dharmastipulate 1 year ago
This was clearly the best ending. The "New Dark Age" ending was originally my favourite ending until I realised how it was just an idealism. Destroying technology would just plunge our lives into complete darkness; instead of liberating us it would enslave us. That's the way I see it.
And the Illuminati ending's hardly better. Capitalism driving the world; as if that's not been done before... xD
Apologies for the rant - but a supercomputer running the world is quite cool!! ;D
Amos1910 1 year ago 2
@Amos1910
its hardly "the best". Placing a single human as a ruler.. And a machine with no concept of morale. Welcome to the matrix. It is different though from anything humanity has tried before. Uncertain outcome is better than nothing i guess.
In 50 years they will either succeed, or JC dies of age and the machine merges with Bob Page Jr. and there we go...
roller4312 1 year ago