@Primitiveamoeba I did not intentionally take the rifle off of my shoulder. I try not to. It just worked out that way. Wasn't contiously thinking about it. 2007 amp Perry was my first real competition and this was my first Springfield match. Please don't be too critical.
@Primitiveamoeba Yes...I've noticed that, too. The action on this particualr rifle was very smooth. I do try not to take the rifle off my shoulder, though. Even so.....I could have taken more time as I had 10-15 seconds left at the end, even with the reload problem. Thank for contributing.
@nf9648 The sling is a reproduction of the 1914 Kerr sling. It's a very good sling. I bought from What Price Glory. They make reo uniforms/equipment, etc. Gogle the name. The sling was $30. originals can run as much as $150. I have a Kerr on all of my 1903 Springfieds.
The range commands are meant to be a part of the video. The guy doing the filming did not pojnt the camera toward the targets or other shooters. Sorry if any viewrs find this borning. it is what is is. Attend the Nationals at Camp Perry and experience it yourself.
@adamslurch71 READ the earlier posts for anexplanation of this. To you on the street, "Rapid Fire" probably means "Spray & Pray" without regard to taking aim or even ying to ht your target. This string was fired in COMPETITION...with RULES......see NRA High Power Ruls o CMP Rles. This is what is known in competitive High Power as "Timed Fire".....or just "RAPID". Time is different depending on the rifles used. In this 1903 Springfield match, 80 seconds are allowed to fire 10 rounds in prone.
@jason60chev try asking before you make assumptions, rapid fire is just that rapid, at minimum one shot per second anything slower and its not that rapid. and as for spray and pray, sorry I but there is no such philosophy with a firearm, if you think that way please sell you firearms to someone who is responsible. and 10 shots in 80 seconds no here near rapid fire no matter what the "rules" of competitive shooting states.
@adamslurch71 Why are you making an argument? It's a competitive shooting match with rules that have been developed over the past 100 years. I am not going to argue terminology with you. The TIMED fire (60 seconds for AR-15/M1A......70 seconds for M1 Garand....80 seconds for bolt actions) strngs in the match are commonly called "Rapids". In SLOW FIRE, 22 minutes are allted to fire 20 rounds + 2 sighters. I am sorry if that does not fit your strict definition. Competitors fire for score.
@adamslurch71 You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You would go unqualified in the Air Force. Now go hop on your bouncy ball and go away.
@adamslurch71 10 orunds in 80 seconds from the prone position. Shooter starts standing. When targets appear, drop into position and begin firing. A reload during the string is mandatory. The target is a standard military 200 yard bullseye target fired from 200 yards. The X ring is 3" , the 10 ring is 6" and the 9 ring is 12". Those rings comprise the "Aiming Black" as you see the target through your sights. Iron/open sighs only. This has been goining on since 1903.
"Rapid" is relative. The SR (200 yard) and SR-3 (300 yard) target has a 7-inch 10 ring. That's 3.5 MOA at 200 and 2.3 MOA at 300. An E-type silhouette used for routine military qualification is over 6 MOA at 300 and more than 9 MOA at 200, or 72 MOA at 25 yards.
@SuperNiggadave well no shit, I can hit a 200 yard target with iron/open sights faster then these people. It should take no more then 1-2 seconds to fire reacquire a sight picture and then fire again from a prone position. Not 10 shots in 80 seconds, 8 Seconds a shot? If you need that long your ass would be dead on a battlefield, and thats what these competitions where held for to help train for battlefield readiness.
@adamslurch71 I just shot in one of these matches we only got 70 sec to fire 10 rounds with reload, and most people finish with about 10-15 seconds left to spare. But, if you can score 80% or higher on the rapid prone with a 1903 or 03A3, I bet there's a few of us on here who'd love to see it...maybe we could all learn something. Many people's eyes aren't that good that a 12" target @ 200 yards is crystal clear, then having to manipulate a bolt, re-acquire target, front sight, breathe-squeeze.
@adamslurch71 as to the "dead on a battlefield" comment-that's a relevant point, but there are plenty of living Marines that learned to shoot this same way and dispatched quite a few enemy combatants.
@trevorpoopable 1st off my name's not adam, 2nd I'm not a cunt nor an idiot, just b/c you felt the need to make a retarded comment related to something I said over a month ago means your the idiot and a loser. feel free to comment back with yet more insults while talking about something you know nothing about.
@adamslurch71 LOL look at your channel page dude..there's like 3 pages of people calling you a troll. So obviously you should just get outta here. Go on now little boy, run!
@trevorpoopable Try again, i could care less what other people think about me, I'm not a troll. I watch a video and than comment on it like millions of others, the difference is I don't sit there and say awesome video even when it sucks. Just b/c you don't like the fact that I can so easily speak my mind don't hate me. that goes tot he millions of others out there. I no longer need to hear from you, Good-bye
@trevorpoopable Nope, I can just see that your immature and will never let a simple comment go so this is the final you will hear from me. It's called being the adult in the situation, once you grow up you may learn how to do that some day, but until than I don't care about you or anyone else who thinks they know me b/c guess what, your wrong. Before you try and come back bitching that your older than me and so I'm the immature one, remember that maturity has nothing to do with your age.
@noversibirsk Technicaly, this is actually called "Timed Fire". In competition, we call it "Rapid". With AR type rifles, 60 seconds is alloted for 10 rounds..including one reload. With an M1 Garand, 70 seconds is allotted, with one reload and in vintage/Springfield matches 80 seconds is alloted with one reload. The firing is for score....so, it is not "spray and pray as fast as you can...you cannot miss fast enough to win. Everyone has the same amount of time.
@CurlyTopsRicoa Have to wait for the range commands. There are no alibis in the CMP games matches, so they make every effort to make sure everyone is ready before they start. The targets are down in the pits, so there is nothing to shoot at until the range officer radios to the pit officer that the shooters are ready and the targets can be raised. When targets come up - time begins.
@kode1303..... I shot a 74 out of 100 inthis string of 10 rounds. No "Xs". This was my first trip to Camp Perry and I was new to competitive shooting...learning the positions, range commands, structure, etc. I had a really good time though.
so how do they determine the winners of the match. does each person at the end of the match have there own time as to how long it took them to shoot all ten round then the guy who has the closest group in the least amount of time wins? Just wondering how it all works
@adamsenig Match winner is determined by score for each string of fire...value of all shots fires + however many "X" ring shots. Rapid fire is 60-80 seconds depending on the rifle used and includes a mandatory reload. Slow fire is about 1 minute per round.
@Karamojo7mm The M1903A1 was made by Springfield into 1940 and then by Remington through 1942. The M1903A3 was a war time expediant using modified and stamped parts. Throughout the 1930's the M1903 and M1903A1 wre kings of the range. the National Match M1903A1's are a work of art unto themselves. George Farr fired 72 consecutive bullseyes at 1,000 yards in 1921 with an issue M1903 rifle and issue Frankford Arsenal ammo. He used the standard sights on the rifle.
Sir, I was lucky enough to purchase a Remington-made M1903A3. Besides cost-cutting measures to speed-up WWII production, is the M1903-A3 "much" inferior to the M1903A1 for all practical purposes? I have not much experience, as Springfield M1903s in general are not particularly widespread where I am residing. Any informations would be appreciated. BTW, that video is cooooool.
@Karamojo7mm There is nothing inherantly inferior about the '03-A3. Many shooters prefer it because the rear sight aperature is on the reciver bridge...closer to the eye. the '03-A3 fitted into the semi-pistol grip "C" stock makes for a wonderfully shooting rifle. I, personally, like the '03-A1 of the 1930's period. I own several...including an all origina, verified, l National Match version made in 1932. Enjoy the A3.
Thank you for your kind response, Sir. Your informations are greatly appreciated. I have bought the M1903-A3 for exactly the reasons you are addressing... and my rifle indeed has the semi-pistol grip "C" stock. It fits me like an old glove. I would love to own a M1903A1, though, not for shooting but because of its outstanding worksmanship and historic importance. I wish you a lot of success in shooting competition!
@brunobarrios213 The M1903/M1903A1 have aperatures in the rear leaf sight mounted ahead of the receiver. The M1903A3 uses an adjustable aperature sight mounted on the rear of the receiver just above the bolt. I collect the M1903A1 rifles.
@brunobarrios213 I am using an M1903A1 with the standard rear ladder sight mounted just forward of the action. The M1903A3 has the aperature sight mounted on the receiver bridge, closer to the eyes, but only goes to 800 yards.
Taken literally, no, this is not "Rapid" fire. In competition, it is officially referred to as "Timed Fire" because you have 60 -70 seconds to fire 10 rounds, depending on the rifle/match you are firing. In the Springfield match, it is 10 rounds in 70 seconds from the time the targets are raised and includes a reload. In the language of the the game of High Power and amongst the shooters, it is called "Rapid Fire" or just "Rapids". The Camp Perry matches have been fired this way for 100+years
@jason60chev hello sry to butt in. but i own a mint springfield with the photos and history of it dating back to july of 1918. the gun was appraised at 80,000!
@nomejodaspincheputin The target is the standard 20 yard rifle bullseye target. The aiming black extends out to the 9 ring. The 8, 7, 6 and 5 rings are white. Anythin outside the 5 ring is a miss, even if on the paper.
It's not as bad as you might think,but then if you shoot the rifle alot, you get used to it. Also, with the rifle slung up tight for sitting and prone, the felt recoil is alot less.
with the M1907 sling, using the Loop or the sling was prefered. But you could use it in the form known as the HASTY SLING. The loop isn't used and the sling is brought into use quicker. It's described in the early soldier's manuals.
You could Google how to use the M1907 sling or the M1 sling. Pull the sling open. Some disconnect it from the butt swivel. Holding the rifle muzzle up, let the sling hang natural. Pull the two KEEPERS upward from the D ring. Now, turn the sling 1/2 way to the left. Pass your arm into the open LOOP between the KEEPERS and the D ring. Slide it up as far onto your arm as you can and tighten the keepers around your arm.
Now warp your wrist between the sling and the rifle stock and grasp the rifle. Get into position and adjust the sling as necessary so that the rifle is tight and stable in your shoulder.
So I'm curious to know what people think, since I've heard arguments go either way on this. Which is more accurate (both guns non-scoped): the 1903 or the Schmidt-Rubin K31?
For me it is a toss up. I score about the same with either. About 265-270 out of 300. I am shooting both at camp perry in 2 weeks. The K31 is definatly faster to shoot rapid prone. You don't have to break your oposition as much. However I have found that the springfield is a little better to hold off hand. I also like the peep sight on my 03-A3
Thats true and I assume you are talking about iron sights as well. Such as in WW1 our troops sure as hell put up one hell of a long range shootout contest with the Germans and their Kar98, their both pretty much leveled in terms of which one is better, its features, its action, abilities, the only thing that really made a difference back in WW1 was the amount of time you had spent firing the rifle, and your experience. I've heard stories of
Well, it may be the sound pick up from the Flip camera I was using. Also, we were shooting in the open...NO covering over top of us as there usually is at a public range. We were firing Greek surplus 30-06 issued by the CMP for this match. 70 seconds may seem like a long time, but, Remember the shooting is for score and record....thus, RAPID fire in the matches is rapid AIMED fire...not just work the bolt and fling lead.
the kar98k was chosen as the rifle for the hitler assasination because the british were posing as german infantry to get close enough to hilter not because it was a more accurate rifle.
i've been posting a lot on how my gramps just gave me a 1903, its in 90% condition, but modified. he thinks it was his service rifle from the army, it has a serial number of over 1 mil. the stock is much shorter, and the bolt leg is chromed. it also has double circular sights, not the pull up sight seen on most 1903. any websites you can reccomend for overall care and parts etc? im in california.
love this weapon. I use it as my deer rifle with a 165gr bullet open sites. Dead on accurate and still original parts the riflings are still in prime condition. I guess the rifle never saw service
Personally, I prefer the Mauser Kar98K to 03. The 03 is basically a Mauser but it feels like a cheap knock-off more then anything else. The bolt on it isn't nearly as smooth on the 03 and the sights are simply aweful on it.
I also have a Lee-Enfield No.4 and tried the Mad Minute a couple of times with it. Now that was tough, slamming home two 5 round stripper clips of RIMMED .303 is abit tricky, especially when you have to do it quickly. But still alot of fun.
I actually prefer my Springfield to my Mauser 98. The bolt, for one is slightly more smooth. It also feels more solid. Sights wise, I like the Springfield's set up. The 98 is a little too complicated for my tastes.
for deer your damn right but make sure the srl #is above 800,000 cuz under that missfires have occured in ww2 and areound 40 were injured(3lost their eye)
Yes, in the rapid fire string, 70 seconds is alloted for the firing of 10 rounds. Downrange, when the targets are raised, the time starts. They are promptly lowered when time is up. Smoothness and quickness on the reload is essential. I had trouble with my clip on the reload, but was able to complete my 10 rounds. I think I fired a 76 out of 100 pts.
He is shooting in the open ,we shoot a lot under cover and boy do you here that !!!, i will see if i have a video of a rapid match under a roofed range .
To me the recoil seems more mild in the Garand. Probably has to do with the gas system reducing some of the force. The 1903 seemed to kick harder and has a more squared off butt so you feel it more. Still not bad once used to it.
ur probably not holding it right, cause ive shot 12ga rapid fir and M1 Garand rapid fire and im still okay. Its nothing to be ashamed about though, put the buttstock in ur chest side of the arm joint, that way, ur whole body will take the punch, not your arm
NO! No blanks. All of the matches at Camp Perry are LIVE fire. Keep in mind that we were firing out in the open. There are NO covers above us like on a public range which makes it louder. The ammo was Greek HXP surplus 30-06 issued by the CMP.
the effective maximum range of the M1903 was up to about 600 yards.... they would set up squad fire and mow down Z Germans from about that distance... Lone snipers took shots mostly from within 400 yards
I didn't do very well. For this string I fired a 73....1-10; 5-8's; 1-7; 1-6; 2-5's. This match was the first time I had fired this rifle beyond 100 yards and my first real competition.
Hello....Thanks for the comment. The Springfield model of 1903 was actually based on the Mauser action and The US paid royalties to Germany for the patent up to the start of WWI. The M1903 was/is a very accurate rifle and was a supreme target rifle for several decades, especially in it's Match Rifle configuration. It's quality is very good though some criticize the sights. It was #8 on the top 10 battle rifles. I would say it is on par or even superior to the Mauser rifles.
There are several good reference books on the M1903 Springfields. Check them out and become familiar with the rifle before you buy. There is also alot of material on-line. Good Luck!
i really don't get why people take the rifle off their shoulders when their working the bolt.
Primitiveamoeba 3 months ago
@Primitiveamoeba I did not intentionally take the rifle off of my shoulder. I try not to. It just worked out that way. Wasn't contiously thinking about it. 2007 amp Perry was my first real competition and this was my first Springfield match. Please don't be too critical.
jason60chev 3 months ago
@jason60chev what i mean to say is that everyone does it and its just a little inconvienient
Primitiveamoeba 3 months ago
@Primitiveamoeba Yes...I've noticed that, too. The action on this particualr rifle was very smooth. I do try not to take the rifle off my shoulder, though. Even so.....I could have taken more time as I had 10-15 seconds left at the end, even with the reload problem. Thank for contributing.
jason60chev 3 months ago
Barry Pepper aint got shit on you
Sturmmann 3 months ago
What a beautiful fucking gun. Seriously. I love Springfrields and Mausers with a passion. Einfields are really nice too.
skittlesareyum48 4 months ago
Watching videos like this titled "Rapid Fire" remind me why I'm so glad to be a lefty with a bipod.
IcabodCrane 4 months ago
i miss shooting at camp perry
tangodown475 5 months ago
Stevens bolt action 30-30 model 325b
bumpjumper99 5 months ago
What sling are you using with the 1903?
nf9648 6 months ago
@nf9648 The sling is a reproduction of the 1914 Kerr sling. It's a very good sling. I bought from What Price Glory. They make reo uniforms/equipment, etc. Gogle the name. The sling was $30. originals can run as much as $150. I have a Kerr on all of my 1903 Springfieds.
jason60chev 6 months ago
The range commands are meant to be a part of the video. The guy doing the filming did not pojnt the camera toward the targets or other shooters. Sorry if any viewrs find this borning. it is what is is. Attend the Nationals at Camp Perry and experience it yourself.
jason60chev 6 months ago
ay to stand there for half the video
Indabaz 6 months ago
this video is boring as hell
MyWordsAreLaw 7 months ago
Thanks for posting. Cool video.
p61guy 7 months ago
Beautiful...just beautiful...
20thcenturyfilmdocs 9 months ago
You should try it in australia we have 50 seconds to fire 10 shots prone at 300yds ,but we start from prone .
TVCSD 10 months ago
@TVCSD shooting Springfields or Enfields? Any reloads?
txstang84 9 months ago
@TVCSD as issued military rifles with any ammo and target rifles made from lee enfield rifles as a seperate class ,see my you tube page .
Its TVCSD
TVCSD 9 months ago
Ok so where the rapid fire at?
adamslurch71 11 months ago 4
@adamslurch71 READ the earlier posts for anexplanation of this. To you on the street, "Rapid Fire" probably means "Spray & Pray" without regard to taking aim or even ying to ht your target. This string was fired in COMPETITION...with RULES......see NRA High Power Ruls o CMP Rles. This is what is known in competitive High Power as "Timed Fire".....or just "RAPID". Time is different depending on the rifles used. In this 1903 Springfield match, 80 seconds are allowed to fire 10 rounds in prone.
jason60chev 11 months ago 6
@jason60chev try asking before you make assumptions, rapid fire is just that rapid, at minimum one shot per second anything slower and its not that rapid. and as for spray and pray, sorry I but there is no such philosophy with a firearm, if you think that way please sell you firearms to someone who is responsible. and 10 shots in 80 seconds no here near rapid fire no matter what the "rules" of competitive shooting states.
adamslurch71 10 months ago
@adamslurch71 Why are you making an argument? It's a competitive shooting match with rules that have been developed over the past 100 years. I am not going to argue terminology with you. The TIMED fire (60 seconds for AR-15/M1A......70 seconds for M1 Garand....80 seconds for bolt actions) strngs in the match are commonly called "Rapids". In SLOW FIRE, 22 minutes are allted to fire 20 rounds + 2 sighters. I am sorry if that does not fit your strict definition. Competitors fire for score.
jason60chev 10 months ago
@adamslurch71 in the YouTube search box, type in "Camp Perry Rapid fire" and check out the other videos and complain to them as well.
jason60chev 10 months ago
@adamslurch71 You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You would go unqualified in the Air Force. Now go hop on your bouncy ball and go away.
Robbob9933 8 months ago
@jason60chev Where do these morons come from?
Lonewlf7676 8 months ago
@adamslurch71 10 orunds in 80 seconds from the prone position. Shooter starts standing. When targets appear, drop into position and begin firing. A reload during the string is mandatory. The target is a standard military 200 yard bullseye target fired from 200 yards. The X ring is 3" , the 10 ring is 6" and the 9 ring is 12". Those rings comprise the "Aiming Black" as you see the target through your sights. Iron/open sighs only. This has been goining on since 1903.
jason60chev 11 months ago
@adamslurch71 The name of the event is a little misleading.
SuperNiggadave 11 months ago
@SuperNiggadave @adamslurch
"Rapid" is relative. The SR (200 yard) and SR-3 (300 yard) target has a 7-inch 10 ring. That's 3.5 MOA at 200 and 2.3 MOA at 300. An E-type silhouette used for routine military qualification is over 6 MOA at 300 and more than 9 MOA at 200, or 72 MOA at 25 yards.
friheren 11 months ago
@SuperNiggadave well no shit, I can hit a 200 yard target with iron/open sights faster then these people. It should take no more then 1-2 seconds to fire reacquire a sight picture and then fire again from a prone position. Not 10 shots in 80 seconds, 8 Seconds a shot? If you need that long your ass would be dead on a battlefield, and thats what these competitions where held for to help train for battlefield readiness.
adamslurch71 10 months ago
@adamslurch71 I just shot in one of these matches we only got 70 sec to fire 10 rounds with reload, and most people finish with about 10-15 seconds left to spare. But, if you can score 80% or higher on the rapid prone with a 1903 or 03A3, I bet there's a few of us on here who'd love to see it...maybe we could all learn something. Many people's eyes aren't that good that a 12" target @ 200 yards is crystal clear, then having to manipulate a bolt, re-acquire target, front sight, breathe-squeeze.
txstang84 9 months ago
@adamslurch71 as to the "dead on a battlefield" comment-that's a relevant point, but there are plenty of living Marines that learned to shoot this same way and dispatched quite a few enemy combatants.
txstang84 9 months ago
@adamslurch71 go back to play with your MGs and ARs you bloody fucking John rapid fire Rambo
neoioneo310 9 months ago
@neoioneo310 Thank you for commenting on something from over a month ago.
adamslurch71 9 months ago
@adamslurch71 stop being such a cunt adam, accept the fact that you're an idiot and move on.
trevorpoopable 8 months ago
@trevorpoopable 1st off my name's not adam, 2nd I'm not a cunt nor an idiot, just b/c you felt the need to make a retarded comment related to something I said over a month ago means your the idiot and a loser. feel free to comment back with yet more insults while talking about something you know nothing about.
adamslurch71 8 months ago
@adamslurch71 LOL look at your channel page dude..there's like 3 pages of people calling you a troll. So obviously you should just get outta here. Go on now little boy, run!
trevorpoopable 8 months ago
@trevorpoopable Try again, i could care less what other people think about me, I'm not a troll. I watch a video and than comment on it like millions of others, the difference is I don't sit there and say awesome video even when it sucks. Just b/c you don't like the fact that I can so easily speak my mind don't hate me. that goes tot he millions of others out there. I no longer need to hear from you, Good-bye
adamslurch71 8 months ago
@adamslurch71 aww, little adamslurch71 got ass hurt!
trevorpoopable 8 months ago
@trevorpoopable Nope, I can just see that your immature and will never let a simple comment go so this is the final you will hear from me. It's called being the adult in the situation, once you grow up you may learn how to do that some day, but until than I don't care about you or anyone else who thinks they know me b/c guess what, your wrong. Before you try and come back bitching that your older than me and so I'm the immature one, remember that maturity has nothing to do with your age.
adamslurch71 8 months ago
@adamslurch71 OOLOLOOLOLOL MATURITY ON YOUTUBE!!!
trevorpoopable 8 months ago
@adamslurch71 faggot ass BITCH
trevorpoopable 8 months ago
no so rapid...
sgtlara 1 year ago
sounds like popcorn
noversibirsk 1 year ago
@noversibirsk Technicaly, this is actually called "Timed Fire". In competition, we call it "Rapid". With AR type rifles, 60 seconds is alloted for 10 rounds..including one reload. With an M1 Garand, 70 seconds is allotted, with one reload and in vintage/Springfield matches 80 seconds is alloted with one reload. The firing is for score....so, it is not "spray and pray as fast as you can...you cannot miss fast enough to win. Everyone has the same amount of time.
jason60chev 1 year ago
dude sounds scary...
JayJay1990fromwiehl 1 year ago
@JayJay1990fromwiehl The range officer is really a nice man. He does his job well of managing the matches.
jason60chev 1 year ago
with the bolt open...take a nap
Chriznak 1 year ago
1:29,10rounds fired
Eagleboyhoove 1 year ago
Everything was obtained on Ebay.
jason60chev 1 year ago
where did you get that us army uniform?
MrMarcusLangseth 1 year ago
@MrMarcusLangseth Everything was obtained on Ebay. The hat, shirt, stripes, trousers and leggings are WWII. The cartridge belt is WWI dated 1918.
jason60chev 1 year ago
@jason60chev thank you very much.
MrMarcusLangseth 1 year ago
that sounded like fire crackling in the background
NitroNein 1 year ago
fire already!! this is wasting my time!
CurlyTopsRicoa 1 year ago
@CurlyTopsRicoa Have to wait for the range commands. There are no alibis in the CMP games matches, so they make every effort to make sure everyone is ready before they start. The targets are down in the pits, so there is nothing to shoot at until the range officer radios to the pit officer that the shooters are ready and the targets can be raised. When targets come up - time begins.
jason60chev 1 year ago
Look at Lee enfield Mad minute!
7JDH7NL7 1 year ago
@7JDH7NL7
they cant hit shit on this scale
this is a 12in target not a human silhoutte
Sturmmann 1 year ago
The shake of the head at the end says it all ... some days everything works, some days it doesn't.
kode1303 1 year ago
@kode1303..... I shot a 74 out of 100 inthis string of 10 rounds. No "Xs". This was my first trip to Camp Perry and I was new to competitive shooting...learning the positions, range commands, structure, etc. I had a really good time though.
jason60chev 1 year ago
so how do they determine the winners of the match. does each person at the end of the match have there own time as to how long it took them to shoot all ten round then the guy who has the closest group in the least amount of time wins? Just wondering how it all works
adamsenig 1 year ago
@adamsenig Match winner is determined by score for each string of fire...value of all shots fires + however many "X" ring shots. Rapid fire is 60-80 seconds depending on the rifle used and includes a mandatory reload. Slow fire is about 1 minute per round.
jason60chev 1 year ago
That Campaign hat, uniform and rifle is WAAAAAY COOOOOOOL!
I don't know how well you did shoot, Sir, but you certainly have been the most authentically dressed competitor!
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
@Karamojo7mm
he wouldve looked better as a Marine of that era
Sturmmann 1 year ago
which springfield is the one that uses a rear peep hole sight?
brunobarrios213 1 year ago
@brunobarrios213
I am not an expert in Springfield rifles, but I think it should be the M1903A3 of WWII fame.
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
@Karamojo7mm The M1903A1 was made by Springfield into 1940 and then by Remington through 1942. The M1903A3 was a war time expediant using modified and stamped parts. Throughout the 1930's the M1903 and M1903A1 wre kings of the range. the National Match M1903A1's are a work of art unto themselves. George Farr fired 72 consecutive bullseyes at 1,000 yards in 1921 with an issue M1903 rifle and issue Frankford Arsenal ammo. He used the standard sights on the rifle.
jason60chev 1 year ago
@jason60chev
Sir, I was lucky enough to purchase a Remington-made M1903A3. Besides cost-cutting measures to speed-up WWII production, is the M1903-A3 "much" inferior to the M1903A1 for all practical purposes? I have not much experience, as Springfield M1903s in general are not particularly widespread where I am residing. Any informations would be appreciated. BTW, that video is cooooool.
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
@Karamojo7mm There is nothing inherantly inferior about the '03-A3. Many shooters prefer it because the rear sight aperature is on the reciver bridge...closer to the eye. the '03-A3 fitted into the semi-pistol grip "C" stock makes for a wonderfully shooting rifle. I, personally, like the '03-A1 of the 1930's period. I own several...including an all origina, verified, l National Match version made in 1932. Enjoy the A3.
jason60chev 1 year ago
@jason60chev
Thank you for your kind response, Sir. Your informations are greatly appreciated. I have bought the M1903-A3 for exactly the reasons you are addressing... and my rifle indeed has the semi-pistol grip "C" stock. It fits me like an old glove. I would love to own a M1903A1, though, not for shooting but because of its outstanding worksmanship and historic importance. I wish you a lot of success in shooting competition!
Karamojo7mm 11 months ago
@brunobarrios213 m1903a3 has the rear peep sight.
Jrhoney 1 year ago
@brunobarrios213 The M1903/M1903A1 have aperatures in the rear leaf sight mounted ahead of the receiver. The M1903A3 uses an adjustable aperature sight mounted on the rear of the receiver just above the bolt. I collect the M1903A1 rifles.
jason60chev 1 year ago
@brunobarrios213 I am using an M1903A1 with the standard rear ladder sight mounted just forward of the action. The M1903A3 has the aperature sight mounted on the receiver bridge, closer to the eyes, but only goes to 800 yards.
jason60chev 1 year ago
man i really want one of these rifles. can anybody point in the right direction to getting one?
xXdEaThSeQuEnCeXx 1 year ago
sounds like me burning my maths teacher on a spit :)
DrUgSkIDOO 1 year ago
ok,i got it,i love my 03',R.Lee Ermey sighned it a few years ago,is that u shooting?
jojomojo1903 1 year ago
Yes, That is me shooting in this video clip.
jason60chev 1 year ago
THAT WAS NOT RAPID FIRE,
jojomojo1903 1 year ago
Taken literally, no, this is not "Rapid" fire. In competition, it is officially referred to as "Timed Fire" because you have 60 -70 seconds to fire 10 rounds, depending on the rifle/match you are firing. In the Springfield match, it is 10 rounds in 70 seconds from the time the targets are raised and includes a reload. In the language of the the game of High Power and amongst the shooters, it is called "Rapid Fire" or just "Rapids". The Camp Perry matches have been fired this way for 100+years
jason60chev 1 year ago
one of those rifles in mint condition can go for $1000 minimum!
SNIPINSPRINGFIELD 1 year ago
@SNIPINSPRINGFIELD Just regular run of the mill Springfields are bringing that now!!!!
jason60chev 1 year ago
@jason60chev wow!
SNIPINSPRINGFIELD 1 year ago
@jason60chev hello sry to butt in. but i own a mint springfield with the photos and history of it dating back to july of 1918. the gun was appraised at 80,000!
max98059 1 year ago
i like his unifrom and that hat is awesome!
SuperBobafet 1 year ago
wow super smooth action
envisionstar 1 year ago
haha at the end he's like wtf gimmie more ammo!
GamerDudeLewis101 1 year ago
Are you shooting camp butner in may? making my first trip down there hope it is much fun as perry
cmphighpower 1 year ago
@cmphighpower Camp Butner is a great match. I think it is better than Perry...less shooters. less stress, etc.
jason60chev 1 year ago
Popcorn!! lol. I love the Springfield.
SRH1092213111 1 year ago
me too buddy im with ya on that one 1903 rocks
TheGunguy1 1 year ago
Nothing's quite so invigorating as a hail of rifle reports from fine vintage peices.
Davito2000 1 year ago 14
The Line is NOT ready.....
TheZimpiko28Project 2 years ago 3
what are you shooting at??
nomejodaspincheputin 2 years ago
@nomejodaspincheputin germans
mastermike95 2 years ago
How much are rounds through CMP?
yadidimeanmaine 2 years ago
Standard 200 yard bullseye target
jason60chev 2 years ago
@nomejodaspincheputin Shooting at the NRA SR-1 200 yard bullseye target
jason60chev 1 year ago
@nomejodaspincheputin The target is the standard 20 yard rifle bullseye target. The aiming black extends out to the 9 ring. The 8, 7, 6 and 5 rings are white. Anythin outside the 5 ring is a miss, even if on the paper.
jason60chev 1 year ago
what ammo do you use?
GunFreak270 2 years ago
the Civilian Marksmanship program supplied the ammo....Greek 30-06 HXP surplus. I think they are issueing Hornandy ammunition now.
jason60chev 2 years ago
what was you score?
cmphighpower 2 years ago
I think my score for that string was 75/100 for 10 rounds.
jason60chev 2 years ago
hmm i think i can do it better;) nice shootin anyway
coppincopp 2 years ago
not bad.
fourstar7 2 years ago
@cmphighpower 74 No X
jason60chev 1 year ago
IS THE LINE READY??? the line is not ready.
worlddomin523 2 years ago 47
man i thought this dude was gonna break a hip when he got into the prone
dmellow45 2 years ago 2
Man, ive been dying to get a kar98k
Anyone know a good website?
ihatefatchicks666 2 years ago
hows the kick?
nsan3kcki11a 2 years ago
It's not as bad as you might think,but then if you shoot the rifle alot, you get used to it. Also, with the rifle slung up tight for sitting and prone, the felt recoil is alot less.
jason60chev 2 years ago
hasty sling?
dmellow45 2 years ago
with the M1907 sling, using the Loop or the sling was prefered. But you could use it in the form known as the HASTY SLING. The loop isn't used and the sling is brought into use quicker. It's described in the early soldier's manuals.
jason60chev 2 years ago
so a loop is just wrapping your arm around it or what?
ive learned all this at parris island, but i just cant seem to remember...
dmellow45 2 years ago
You could Google how to use the M1907 sling or the M1 sling. Pull the sling open. Some disconnect it from the butt swivel. Holding the rifle muzzle up, let the sling hang natural. Pull the two KEEPERS upward from the D ring. Now, turn the sling 1/2 way to the left. Pass your arm into the open LOOP between the KEEPERS and the D ring. Slide it up as far onto your arm as you can and tighten the keepers around your arm.
jason60chev 2 years ago
Now warp your wrist between the sling and the rifle stock and grasp the rifle. Get into position and adjust the sling as necessary so that the rifle is tight and stable in your shoulder.
jason60chev 2 years ago
thats what i thought, i just so happnd to forget
dmellow45 2 years ago
So I'm curious to know what people think, since I've heard arguments go either way on this. Which is more accurate (both guns non-scoped): the 1903 or the Schmidt-Rubin K31?
turb05 2 years ago
Scopes don't make the weapon more accurate, but they do make the shooter more precise.
Goodspittin 2 years ago 4
For me it is a toss up. I score about the same with either. About 265-270 out of 300. I am shooting both at camp perry in 2 weeks. The K31 is definatly faster to shoot rapid prone. You don't have to break your oposition as much. However I have found that the springfield is a little better to hold off hand. I also like the peep sight on my 03-A3
454pistolshooter 2 years ago
if you type in on google kadet trainer rifle parris it's almost an exact replica of the 1903
jjtj94 2 years ago
freken sounds like bb guns XD
cal011316 2 years ago
I've heard that the Springfield is a very accurate gun. And it looks fun to shoot. I always enjoy firing bolt action rifles.
assturd1236 2 years ago 3
more than accurate it competes with the kar98
damien345 2 years ago
It is quite a gun. I am saving up for one at the moment actually. Lookin for an M1903a4. Ya know, the sniper rifle
assturd1236 2 years ago
Thats true and I assume you are talking about iron sights as well. Such as in WW1 our troops sure as hell put up one hell of a long range shootout contest with the Germans and their Kar98, their both pretty much leveled in terms of which one is better, its features, its action, abilities, the only thing that really made a difference back in WW1 was the amount of time you had spent firing the rifle, and your experience. I've heard stories of
800yd kills off iron sights, pretty cool.
SSSDiaz7 2 years ago
The Springfield sounds pretty quiet
MadDawg010 2 years ago
Well, it may be the sound pick up from the Flip camera I was using. Also, we were shooting in the open...NO covering over top of us as there usually is at a public range. We were firing Greek surplus 30-06 issued by the CMP for this match. 70 seconds may seem like a long time, but, Remember the shooting is for score and record....thus, RAPID fire in the matches is rapid AIMED fire...not just work the bolt and fling lead.
jason60chev 2 years ago
Oh, okay.
MadDawg010 2 years ago
the mauser and the springfield are both good. END OF DISCUSSION
RKftw68 2 years ago
no way, how can you say that, the kar98k was years ahead in rifle design, loading, and accuracy,
it was the very rifle chosen to try and kill hitler with. no way man.
covGuk 2 years ago
the kar98k was chosen as the rifle for the hitler assasination because the british were posing as german infantry to get close enough to hilter not because it was a more accurate rifle.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
i've been posting a lot on how my gramps just gave me a 1903, its in 90% condition, but modified. he thinks it was his service rifle from the army, it has a serial number of over 1 mil. the stock is much shorter, and the bolt leg is chromed. it also has double circular sights, not the pull up sight seen on most 1903. any websites you can reccomend for overall care and parts etc? im in california.
himrchp 2 years ago
love this weapon. I use it as my deer rifle with a 165gr bullet open sites. Dead on accurate and still original parts the riflings are still in prime condition. I guess the rifle never saw service
NAVC130VET 3 years ago
Personally, I prefer the Mauser Kar98K to 03. The 03 is basically a Mauser but it feels like a cheap knock-off more then anything else. The bolt on it isn't nearly as smooth on the 03 and the sights are simply aweful on it.
I also have a Lee-Enfield No.4 and tried the Mad Minute a couple of times with it. Now that was tough, slamming home two 5 round stripper clips of RIMMED .303 is abit tricky, especially when you have to do it quickly. But still alot of fun.
AduneStormwind 3 years ago
I actually prefer my Springfield to my Mauser 98. The bolt, for one is slightly more smooth. It also feels more solid. Sights wise, I like the Springfield's set up. The 98 is a little too complicated for my tastes.
Tfarnham849 3 years ago
love this gun
m1903springfeild 3 years ago
just like pvt ryon
0YtsanBlowout0 3 years ago
u mean Jackson?
Du57yx91630n5 3 years ago
ya sorry
0YtsanBlowout0 3 years ago
Not too bad,bummer your stripper clip messed ya up.
rotundrooster 3 years ago
would the 1903 be a good hunting rifle
Eagle249 3 years ago
depends onm what your gonna hunt. lol
DanskerNr1 3 years ago
deer
Eagle249 3 years ago
eagle go for he mauser
Norguy77 3 years ago
i like the 1903 better
Eagle249 3 years ago 2
for deer your damn right but make sure the srl #is above 800,000 cuz under that missfires have occured in ww2 and areound 40 were injured(3lost their eye)
bf3pwner 3 years ago
thanks
Eagle249 3 years ago
do they have a time limit?
evan9201 3 years ago 2
Yes, in the rapid fire string, 70 seconds is alloted for the firing of 10 rounds. Downrange, when the targets are raised, the time starts. They are promptly lowered when time is up. Smoothness and quickness on the reload is essential. I had trouble with my clip on the reload, but was able to complete my 10 rounds. I think I fired a 76 out of 100 pts.
jason60chev 3 years ago
Check out the video above for noise.
doristhepig 3 years ago
He is shooting in the open ,we shoot a lot under cover and boy do you here that !!!, i will see if i have a video of a rapid match under a roofed range .
doristhepig 3 years ago
Sounds like there are a lot of Springfields firing there. How many?
masterDevis 3 years ago
A bunch!!! a few hundred anyway.
jason60chev 3 years ago
about what is the felt recoil like on a springfield
csaboy27 3 years ago
its strong. .30-06 bullet. havent fired one but ive fired the m1 garand. same bullet so its gotta have similar recoil.
Mike11069 3 years ago 2
To me the recoil seems more mild in the Garand. Probably has to do with the gas system reducing some of the force. The 1903 seemed to kick harder and has a more squared off butt so you feel it more. Still not bad once used to it.
Willkun 3 years ago
thats what i thought, since the explosion doesnt re-cock the gun, all of it goes directly into ur shoulder. its gotta have a nasty recoil
Mike11069 3 years ago
It's like a 12 gauge. Little more, but if you've ever fired a 12g. you should be comfortable with this.
Tfarnham849 3 years ago
i have a 308 with a scope not to bad but the without scope dislocated my shoulder
biggggggggg12 3 years ago
ur probably not holding it right, cause ive shot 12ga rapid fir and M1 Garand rapid fire and im still okay. Its nothing to be ashamed about though, put the buttstock in ur chest side of the arm joint, that way, ur whole body will take the punch, not your arm
Mike11069 3 years ago
no we measured the pressure and the one with no scope kicked at 40 more pounds of kickback force
biggggggggg12 3 years ago
what the hell a 308 doesnt kick that hard....a 375h&h kicks that hard a 308 is like 12 lbs in recoil
bf3pwner 3 years ago
not mine
biggggggggg12 3 years ago
then somethings really fucked up with it then
bf3pwner 3 years ago
were you firing blanks? there wasnt much noise.
117rebel 3 years ago
NO! No blanks. All of the matches at Camp Perry are LIVE fire. Keep in mind that we were firing out in the open. There are NO covers above us like on a public range which makes it louder. The ammo was Greek HXP surplus 30-06 issued by the CMP.
jason60chev 3 years ago
Oh geez, I don't know! Alot! There were at least 80 firing positions and we had 5-6relays. The Vintage rifle match was fired at the same time.
jason60chev 3 years ago
the effective maximum range of the M1903 was up to about 600 yards.... they would set up squad fire and mow down Z Germans from about that distance... Lone snipers took shots mostly from within 400 yards
j23brook 3 years ago
i forgot to ask what was your score ??.
doristhepig 3 years ago
I didn't do very well. For this string I fired a 73....1-10; 5-8's; 1-7; 1-6; 2-5's. This match was the first time I had fired this rifle beyond 100 yards and my first real competition.
jason60chev 3 years ago
Keep at it !!
doristhepig 3 years ago 2
jason60chev, what range were you firing at and how manny yards was it? 200? 300? 600?
243rem 3 years ago
Since it was camp perry I'd put my money on 200yds
mini4m3 3 years ago
Can anyone tell me what the effective and maximum range was on the .30 - 03 bullet was and also the muzzle velocity it had.
timmee2891 3 years ago
You should be able to find that information on the internet by doing a Google search on the cartridge.
jason60chev 3 years ago
Nice rifle. I have a quick question: is the Springfield 1903 in terms in quality equal or on par with a k98 or g98?
Milithane 3 years ago 2
Hello....Thanks for the comment. The Springfield model of 1903 was actually based on the Mauser action and The US paid royalties to Germany for the patent up to the start of WWI. The M1903 was/is a very accurate rifle and was a supreme target rifle for several decades, especially in it's Match Rifle configuration. It's quality is very good though some criticize the sights. It was #8 on the top 10 battle rifles. I would say it is on par or even superior to the Mauser rifles.
jason60chev 3 years ago
Thanks much for the detailed response, I appreciate it. Seems that my next purchase will be a 1903. :)
Milithane 3 years ago
There are several good reference books on the M1903 Springfields. Check them out and become familiar with the rifle before you buy. There is also alot of material on-line. Good Luck!
jason60chev 3 years ago