the parachute on the line opens at 25sec mark, which would indicate that the tension had come off the line momentarily. Swinging the legs really reduces the ability to weight shift a glider, crossing the feet is a good habit and gives more control and might have been able to save it.
It sounds like it was way too windy to be training. The height is controlled by the scooter operator. He shouldn't have been allowed to get this high until he knew what he was doing. Low and slow. Also, I can't tell if they were using a pulley, but chances are they weren't. The student had very poor technique...didn't run. Bottom line, it was too windy for training that day.
I used to hate towing in strong winds when I learned. The problem is when you are learning you don't feel able to say I will wait for another day if you don't mind. I did much the same sort of thing anyway. I imagine most people do.
i stand corrected scooter towing is quite comon US mainly i think here in the UK we use static winches. i think if this chap had let go when he impacted swung through his are would be ok
@RealVinceSamios I'm sorry, but I disagree 100%. I am a Hang gliding Instructor and I use a scooter when I teach. My beginner students start at 8:00am and I want them in as little wind as possible. Wind speeds change, sometimes in an instant. A new student has no idea what to do in those situations. I want as much control over their speed and altitude as I can get so that I can do my best to keep them safe. Ground speed is NOT the important factor in any form of aviation. AIR SPEED is.
@TheLarryBrown this ground speed argument is stupid. It's about airspeed. Groundspeed is only higher upwind, if the glider gets into a turn (which it does here btw), the groundspeed increases as well. If you're going downwind, high windspeed increases groundspeed. It's about the AIRSPEED.
@HGFlyer: I don't know, but I can say that during his mishap he successfully corrected several times to keep the glider level. Watch the slo-mo version elsewhere on youtube and you can see that, at least in that respect, he did pretty well.
Looks like you pushed out and got all the weight into the right of the control frame, from then on you were doomed. I have done much worse myslef. Don't feel to bad about it.
It looks like the wind was too strong and the student got in over his head. Perhaps the instructor should have called it off? I really can't say but it was avoidable.
increase tow speed should have helped in reducing chances of this occurring. instructor and driver fault 100%
onlytwothings 8 months ago
@onlytwothings yeah sure, and have him come down from 100ft instead of 20. the student needs to learn to control the glider first.
timmay301 4 months ago
..that glider looked too large for that wind and that pilot...complicated efforts to
control glider.
jwm239 11 months ago
A fool and his health are soon parted.
unapro3 1 year ago
the parachute on the line opens at 25sec mark, which would indicate that the tension had come off the line momentarily. Swinging the legs really reduces the ability to weight shift a glider, crossing the feet is a good habit and gives more control and might have been able to save it.
MrAndrew1101 1 year ago
It sounds like it was way too windy to be training. The height is controlled by the scooter operator. He shouldn't have been allowed to get this high until he knew what he was doing. Low and slow. Also, I can't tell if they were using a pulley, but chances are they weren't. The student had very poor technique...didn't run. Bottom line, it was too windy for training that day.
FutzAndTinker 2 years ago
Take off into wind?
bigaaroncunny 2 years ago
I used to hate towing in strong winds when I learned. The problem is when you are learning you don't feel able to say I will wait for another day if you don't mind. I did much the same sort of thing anyway. I imagine most people do.
tommytipitcup 2 years ago 2
@tommytipitcup Possibly you might be correct, but the other problem is that the student mightn't have known that it was too windy.
winterka100 1 year ago
guys guys guys read the title, scooter tow ? there was no instructor here
FCbisleybob 2 years ago
There was an instructor. Scooter towing is reported to be very safe when instructed properly.
NMERider 2 years ago
i stand corrected scooter towing is quite comon US mainly i think here in the UK we use static winches. i think if this chap had let go when he impacted swung through his are would be ok
FCbisleybob 2 years ago
...very tricky getting airborne via winch
tow unless you can stay pointed directly
into the [strong] wind; looked so windy
that the instructor could have pulled that
pilot aloft without the powered tow...!
jwm239 3 years ago
Looks like a new student. If so, all instructor error. Absolutely no reason to put a new student on a glider in that much wind.
HGFlyer 3 years ago 16
@HGFlyer it's arguably safer for a new student to learn to tow in higher winds because the relative ground speed is so much lower...
RealVinceSamios 1 year ago
@RealVinceSamios I'm sorry, but I disagree 100%. I am a Hang gliding Instructor and I use a scooter when I teach. My beginner students start at 8:00am and I want them in as little wind as possible. Wind speeds change, sometimes in an instant. A new student has no idea what to do in those situations. I want as much control over their speed and altitude as I can get so that I can do my best to keep them safe. Ground speed is NOT the important factor in any form of aviation. AIR SPEED is.
HGFlyer 1 year ago
@HGFlyer: In certain respects ground speed is the only important factor, because how fast you are moving when you hit the ground matters.
TheLarryBrown 1 year ago
@RealVinceSamios: any safety gains from lower ground speed are more than offset by increased risks and complications of higher winds.
TheLarryBrown 1 year ago
@TheLarryBrown this ground speed argument is stupid. It's about airspeed. Groundspeed is only higher upwind, if the glider gets into a turn (which it does here btw), the groundspeed increases as well. If you're going downwind, high windspeed increases groundspeed. It's about the AIRSPEED.
timmay301 4 months ago
@RealVinceSamios if you're falling straight down, the groundspeed is zero and the airspeed about 200 km/h. Now which is it that matters then.
timmay301 4 months ago
@HGFlyer: I don't know, but I can say that during his mishap he successfully corrected several times to keep the glider level. Watch the slo-mo version elsewhere on youtube and you can see that, at least in that respect, he did pretty well.
TheLarryBrown 1 year ago
@HGFlyer Think the theory might have been to keep the gound speed low, but he obviously hadn't leaned the value of pulling the bar in yet!
armandin2048 6 months ago
Looks like you pushed out and got all the weight into the right of the control frame, from then on you were doomed. I have done much worse myslef. Don't feel to bad about it.
tommytipitcup 3 years ago
good, i have the same plan soon as I get better
krunoslav2509 3 years ago
I'm gald to know that you're sticking with it. Hang Gliding is truly a great sport.
NMERider 3 years ago
Do you think it was a student fault? and what he should have done?
krunoslav2509 3 years ago
It looks like the wind was too strong and the student got in over his head. Perhaps the instructor should have called it off? I really can't say but it was avoidable.
NMERider 3 years ago 9
OUCH!
flyhghgy 3 years ago
just disclocated shoulder myself like this
krunoslav2509 3 years ago
Bummer! The student in this video wasn't discouraged and is actively flying.
NMERider 3 years ago