I think a reasonable concern with this build would be its susceptibility to artillery and sustained light archer or crossbow fire due to the tightly packed infantry formations. Peasant archers/crossbows only cost 220 florins in this game compared to double that for arquebusiers and significantly more still for musketeers. Combined with artillery they could smash those tightly compacted pike columns and obtain ranged superiority for an eventual infantry charge.
I think the Pike and Shot is great and from the top of my head i only potentially see problems comming from the Turks with their Janissary Musketeers which can outgun the musketeers and cause damage to those tightly packed ranks forcing you to move, maybe lose cohesion in the process etc...
That depended on the pikemen and how many were present. Pikemen were still quite effective against even heavy cavalry. The mount and rider may have been heavily armored, but there's only so much one can do to protect themselves when they're charging at full speed into a wall of spear points, which is why the pike & shot was so valuable as a formation.
Unfortunately, the AI is far too stupid to understand how to sensible combat it-- or anything for that matter.
@Dakeyras83 Why wouldn't they stop? Why the fuck would the horse and rider want to impale themselves on the pikes? And no, heavy cavalry wouldn't steamroll a pike formation. They'd get impaled on the pikes before getting close enough the hurt the pikemen in any significant way.
@Dakeyras83 The pike would go through if the cavalry was charging at full speed. Besides, they could always stab the horse. See the Battle of Cerignola.
@xxMrFablexx Through cavalry yes, through heavy cavalry no, it was in the end depend on many factors like design and quality of armor of course.
True heavy cavalry is not name like that because there is fat guy on horse, horse itself was armored too. Check google for various heavy cavalry armors.
"See the Battle of Cerignola"
Wiki states that battle this was won thx to artillery, arquebusiers and entrenched position. Nothing about pikes making mayor role in this battle.
@Lemgardandre Yes, i would say that Portugal is better since they have better pikes, though i belive the Spanish invented it although the portuguese used since medieval period more Infantry then Cavalry therefore they where better... But in the case of fighting England you should use Portuguese Arquebusiers since they have more damege and armour then musketeers and are better at melee, in this case he fergot to put some artillery.
no need for portugese muskets online i have only seen them once and it put my ally at a disadvantage.
its easy to beat longbows with muskets just stretch them out 2 rows keep tigth formation and put on skirmish mode that way the muskets kneel just like in empire fire by rank altho only 2 rows fire and reload immidietly after firing its volley.
in a max 5 muskets portugese arqbesier would come handy as cav support but as long you get the first volley you will dominate.
@BeedrillYanyan They don't shoot anymore from melee, but if you don't have them in skirmish mode then they will not flee and will fight in melee with their swords.
been wanting to see someone else who layers their units together, it's very effective with many troops, super effective with pike and shot, as I see you explain in the video xD
I think a reasonable concern with this build would be its susceptibility to artillery and sustained light archer or crossbow fire due to the tightly packed infantry formations. Peasant archers/crossbows only cost 220 florins in this game compared to double that for arquebusiers and significantly more still for musketeers. Combined with artillery they could smash those tightly compacted pike columns and obtain ranged superiority for an eventual infantry charge.
Redfingers 2 months ago
4:45 Perfectly surrounded! Nice video!
TheTravianhero 3 months ago
luv mtw2
TheCoolestever12 11 months ago
Great vid love it.
I think the Pike and Shot is great and from the top of my head i only potentially see problems comming from the Turks with their Janissary Musketeers which can outgun the musketeers and cause damage to those tightly packed ranks forcing you to move, maybe lose cohesion in the process etc...
Anyway 5*
AcoDaGr8 11 months ago
Lol stupid game, cavalry in charge stopping right before pikes formation...
Plus Heavy cavalry were steamrolling even over pikemans in true life.
Dakeyras83 1 year ago
@Dakeyras83
That depended on the pikemen and how many were present. Pikemen were still quite effective against even heavy cavalry. The mount and rider may have been heavily armored, but there's only so much one can do to protect themselves when they're charging at full speed into a wall of spear points, which is why the pike & shot was so valuable as a formation.
Unfortunately, the AI is far too stupid to understand how to sensible combat it-- or anything for that matter.
Str8Murder 1 year ago
@Dakeyras83 Why wouldn't they stop? Why the fuck would the horse and rider want to impale themselves on the pikes? And no, heavy cavalry wouldn't steamroll a pike formation. They'd get impaled on the pikes before getting close enough the hurt the pikemen in any significant way.
xxMrFablexx 2 months ago
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Dakeyras83 2 months ago
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@xxMrFablexx Heavy armored cavalry were medieval tanks, how you want impale a tank?
Plate armor was bulletproof to early gunpowder weapons for god sake...
Dakeyras83 2 months ago
@Dakeyras83 The pike would go through if the cavalry was charging at full speed. Besides, they could always stab the horse. See the Battle of Cerignola.
xxMrFablexx 2 months ago
@xxMrFablexx Through cavalry yes, through heavy cavalry no, it was in the end depend on many factors like design and quality of armor of course.
True heavy cavalry is not name like that because there is fat guy on horse, horse itself was armored too. Check google for various heavy cavalry armors.
"See the Battle of Cerignola"
Wiki states that battle this was won thx to artillery, arquebusiers and entrenched position. Nothing about pikes making mayor role in this battle.
Dakeyras83 2 months ago
yo dude wat ur pc rig?
mine sucks lol it;s a laptop.
3 gigs ram
2.00 ghz. 512 mb ram, AMD athlon (tm)duel core ql-62
32-bit windows 7 2009 :(
and a nividia 9600M gt geforce sucks and can't play that good on empire total war when i put maxed setting, i can play maxed settings on m2tw fine tho
narutorocks3424 1 year ago
I built my PC myself:
Intel Q6600 @ 3.0ghz CPU
4gb Corsair Dominator memory
NVidia GTX 285 (gpu)
2x 500gb HDD (I put my games on the second HDD, separate from my OS)
Windows Vista Home 64-bit (it works for me contrary to all of the complaints about it, it could be worse I guess)
22 inch LG Flatron L227WT monitor (very good gaming monitor, looks great and doesn't lose quality during fast gameplay like Crysis)
I cool my CPU with Noctua NH-U12P, very very good air cooler.
500 watt PSU
got2nesa 1 year ago
did you stretch your pikes to 2 rows each behind eachother or 4 rows for each unit were they in guard mode?
I also use it but many players consider´it boring.
I wonder if Portugal is better sence they got the better pikes anyways great display of pike and shoot.
Lemgardandre 1 year ago
@Lemgardandre I believe they're in 4 rows deep, I rarely stretch units to 2 rows, they route too easily that way.
I don't play Late period often so I never use this tactic really, but it is just an interesting historical tactic which works.
got2nesa 1 year ago
@Lemgardandre Yes, i would say that Portugal is better since they have better pikes, though i belive the Spanish invented it although the portuguese used since medieval period more Infantry then Cavalry therefore they where better... But in the case of fighting England you should use Portuguese Arquebusiers since they have more damege and armour then musketeers and are better at melee, in this case he fergot to put some artillery.
PompeusMagnus 11 months ago
@PompeusMagnus
no need for portugese muskets online i have only seen them once and it put my ally at a disadvantage.
its easy to beat longbows with muskets just stretch them out 2 rows keep tigth formation and put on skirmish mode that way the muskets kneel just like in empire fire by rank altho only 2 rows fire and reload immidietly after firing its volley.
in a max 5 muskets portugese arqbesier would come handy as cav support but as long you get the first volley you will dominate.
Lemgardandre 11 months ago
How do you make the musketeers work when the pikes are in melee?
BeedrillYanyan 1 year ago
@BeedrillYanyan They don't shoot anymore from melee, but if you don't have them in skirmish mode then they will not flee and will fight in melee with their swords.
got2nesa 1 year ago
Trying to decide whether overlapping your pikemen, or stacking them is better. They both seem like effective ways
PrinceNation 1 year ago
yay!
I'm not the only guy who layers units! xD
been wanting to see someone else who layers their units together, it's very effective with many troops, super effective with pike and shot, as I see you explain in the video xD
leeham991 1 year ago
Who is dumb enough to charge cavalry into pike?
BeedrillYanyan 1 year ago
That really explains it for me, I was doing it wrong. Thanks haha.
PrinceNation 1 year ago 2
@PrinceNation hey bro I'm glad it helped lol
It's a fun game, practice makes perfect
got2nesa 1 year ago