So Honda employees all stupid people who can't stick a cell in a car and make car running solely on water but you are smart? Maybe Honda is an Arabic country who doesn't want to free you from oil?
Just go learn some Chemistry, or talk to a Chemical Engineer who will tell you that it takes more energy to split water into HHO than energy produced by outcome. That simple.
Jamy always saiz: "well there's your problem"! But not in this show. The Solution is simple and i still cant believe Grant (the genius) said nothing! Gasoline burns WAY slower than hydrogen. All they had to do was turn the ignition timing past top dead center and that backfire would not have happened, and Adam could happily rev away.
But it is true, with some tweeking, an engine can run 100% on HHO.
Shuttle Main Booster runs on Hydrogen/Oxygen (Rocket Fuel in other words)
Myth Busters tried to bust this one with a half ass attempt. Just as they was ordered to. (Propaganda) It ended up Busting them. Their show went down hills from then on. Goes to show ya, people know bullshit when they see it. The establishment thinks that people are stupid.
True, without proper research, materials, and a proven design, not to mention safety in mind at every step things can go south quickly. Most home built HHO systems do not produce enough to be useful. Even more use stainless steel which produces a poison. I think more research is in order. ppl running massive amps into these machines are trying to force a reaction when proper design may be the only real hurdle.
This is naive! They try to car work only on HHO!(Look whole episode) Why they have not tested HHO as an additive like in the previous test with acetone, in same episode! They try to make perpetum mobile! And the generator doesn't provide enough gas, it's obvious. NOT BUSTED AT ALL! Greetings from Serbia
After watching this episode (exploding pants episode) I lost all respect, and belief in anything the mythbusters say or do. I have built 3 of these cells myself. They work just fine. It was no doubt spurred by the authorities not wanting a bunch of red necks producing hydrogen gas bombs in their garages.
first of all,with this cell them can produce exxxxxxxxtra more gas but this is bulshit , y made one and work wrily whell , and increase mileage wery ,sory for bad wroting , y m from serbia
I never liked that show. I find those guys too full of themselves, and who knows what powers are at work behind the scenes to make certain things look like myths. Governments and corporations are powerful.
@UnoQueLlegaYDice though if you verify their claims yourself, they turn out to be true 99.9% of the time. either that or they edit every single website on the things they do... ever... although sometimes they're a bit too pessimistic ór optimistic.
what they need to realize is it may not be a good source to run a car off of alone but more as a hybrid where it runs off a precentage of gasoline and a precentage of HHO together
united nuclear made a very safe and effective hydrogen fuel system with an industrialized hoffman appareatus you can run off solar or wind power, you just turn it on and fill the tanks in the trunk of your car and its all good.
ok in cailf i did do it EPA found out and told me if they catch my truck they would inpound it 2006 i used a generator in the truck not alternator. they called me everyday and bugged me at work they don't want us not paying taxes, they told me millions of people will be out of work????
What if instead of the backfire it was really a rifle blast by some sniper hiding in the bushes. They were getting a little too deep into the mystery hehe.
look its quite simple, this is american tv, and as we all know the goverment controles what is being shown, there for even if this did work they wouldent be alowed to show it and if you ask me they dident make it work on purpose anyways
Adding baking soda or 'electrolytes' to the water and giving the cylinders a 3/8 gap will do absolutley nothing to change the results on the video..this method simply does not produce enough hydrogen to run an engine or even assist you to 'save fuel' in a gasoline/HHO hybrid..period...get into the reality that if someone is telling you that onboard HHO cells can produce enough hydrogen to run an engine or save you fuel they are out to scam you and/or just telling outright lies..
3: Note that the cycle is Water-Hydrogen and Oxygen- combustion-expansion-contraction-water.
This is not petroleum, your engine was built for petroleum, so you need to really rethink in detail. Use a mower engine for tests and a syringe or free piston in tube device.
Standard electrolysis is a waste of time, too much power used, not enough gas produced.
90 % of all HHO gear being sold is an intentional or unintentional scam.
1: produce gas with less electrical imput, low amps, high frequency, harmonics and tuned cavities.
2: Use a precombustion mixing/ ignition chamber that is screwed into the spark plug hole, that will allow you to use around 1/7 the gas for the same work done.
The video that you used as your evidence implied that the hydrogen source be created onboard the vehicle, by the vehicle. Common sense tells most people that you can't take the output of an engine and use it to make the fuel that the engine runs on in a perpetual manner. The video of '5 minutes of electrolysis fills a shopping bag' is misleading as that shopping bag of hydrogen (and oxygen and contaminants from the electrolyte) will not run a car for 5 minutes or produce another bag of fuel.
in my opinion, in order for this to work, we need a better way to create the electricity used to create hydrogen from water
if we used hydroelectric or wind or solar, that hydrogen becomes free if we can store it and transport it like gas, or if we can use enough solar or wind power directly on the vehicle itself
@dramey03 We can store its like Gas and we do, we can store much more of it in a smaller space than gas but the material that enables you to store it is a minor non dangerous component of Hydrogen Bombs and Is thus illegal to sell, It is not radioactive or explosive just a component.
HOH can only allow you to run exceptionally lean mixtures but not to run the car in total. You could use it to brun kerosene, oil or any other low octane fuel extremely lean.
Problem with your theory, the power produced by the alternator requires HP which is an additional load on the engine, and that additional load required more HHO than was produced by alternator power, remember the engine creates heat that is part of the entire enengy consumed when the engine runs. Best luck on really saving any money here....It's impossible
A lot of people have the misconception that HHO cells are snake oil because they don't understand that the alternator produces more electricity than is needed to keep a car running, thereby defeating the argument that hydrogen cannot be economically produced. Even in a straight gasoline vehicle, when the alternator stops working, the car stops running. HHO being produced means mechanical energy to create electrical energy to keep the car going but you always have to make more, just like gas.
The Japanese are going for patents as mass market right now with this very idea.On a liter of water the car can run for an hour at 50mph.It's in our near future,oil companies gotta be worried,if we can run cars we can do a lot more.Apparently it can run on any water too,salt,ocean,rain,whatever.
:26 *the diagram is completly wrong.. LOL.. Tubes are seperated from each other? This is back assward.. @ :38 his shoulder blocks half the one sheet of plans they show. @48 yet another partial snap shot. China man builds a circuit board of some sort? No mention of its use beyond fermicity fermidiling? *Is this how schools teach, after an hour you just understand it from fermicity? LoL. Then also, adams fuel cell doesnt even look like the cell plans first shown, myth busters is governed also.
and right off the bat he says, we got plans off the internet... *whos plans? Where are the plans? Why are they not shown while they build it? What parts did they skip? Did they skip parts? Do you know if they did? How can you tell if you do not have these plans or can see them? TV isnt a friend, its the enemy.. Understand what LIGHT is, and you will understand how TV is used to manipulate the mind, way more then you can tell if your still handing over your life to the TV box. Wake up people.
Oh yea and id say this, myth busters would not be allowed to show you a working device as OIL owns all TV stations, all NEws stations, ALL tv Networks and even, the manufacturing of the TV device, all of it, every last bit and on top of this, they own all radio also, ACROSS THE PLANET people... so, your never gonna learn shitola off the TV network, not ever, well, maybe youll learn some disease from watchign the commercials like polly wants a cracker. Poison tv is, notice this, turn it off now.
Electrolosis includes sound waves... Where is anyones sound wave device on these systems? NO PMW, NO car will run. NO tuning of the tubes, NO car will run. Can these heat a home as is, well, partially id say, depending on the design.. I hope the right person see's this stuff as I can not afford to move on my project and do my best to pass this down yet again i will say this, TUNE THE TUBES, Get a proper Working PMW built. Compare stans Tube Sizes and reproduce exactly as he does says the lenght.
None of these will ever produce enough HHO to run a car with out the PWM and the TUBES being TUNED properly (no idea what pitch). This is what needs testing, the pitch and tuning of the tubes themselfs must be a specific thing that stan did not really reveal except with his voice in 1 and only 1 interview. Not seing this interveiw leaves us all blinded to the whole thing as the most important part is skipped by everyone. Resonance Frequencies, Learn about them if you wish to move on this project
So if your going to build this like I did, i would suggest building the PWM first, then the silver tubes. Tune the tubes to eath other and look at stants plans as to how long the pipes are will also determine what pitch they operate at, must get the same size as stan to be sure where at least close to the proper pitch or note. When the pmw works right and the tubes are tuned right, it should produce 4X the HHO with 4 times the amount of energy stored in each atomic structure meaning, more power.
Id also say, I do not know how to tune my tubes to each other. I would imagine an oscilisope would help me do this? This is where i am stuck personally, how do i test metal for what note it is making in musical notes? The tubes are tuned to a certain pitch alike we know a high c note will shatter glass, NO one is making this part of stans system, the peice that shatters the water more effeciently. Seen one where he tuned the tubes and it POURS out bubbles. This one video the guy had it right.
No word of Stan Meyers Resonator device, the Pulse wave mdoulator that is... Stan also says this, the Tubes are TUNED to the same note, so, the tube inside should be smaller then one one outside and Tuned to the same Frequency or note like an AIR piano in a church that inwhich NO ONE Does... THE PMW is very important and also the tuning of the silver pipes is what everyone forgets. I have stans device yet I havent tuned the tubes or do i have the PWM. Makes HHO, prolly not enough as it is now.
the myth busters failed because they were payed to. No expense will be spared in the protection of the monopoly. Several methods have been developed over the years that would have made efficient use of the power of gasoline. The ones that held the most promise were bought out or imprisoned, and buried. They do this to scare anyone else from trying, and to keep the secret. It's really about "energy" and "control"; of YOU!!! First they make you reliant on them, then they have the control!!!
You know what this sounds like is what lead acid batteries (aka typical car batteries) do already. They actually produce hydrogen and oxygen toward the end of their charge cycle which is why you have to add water to them occasionally. I wonder if there's a way to harness that in some way rather than adding a whole other system that essentially does the same thing.
as much as i want this to be real, please name one HHO cell that produces 600 to 700 liters per minute (which is what an average car takes in at idle)... don't get me wrong - i wish these worked, but i have not yet come across one that does... if you know of one (and have proof) please write me back and let me know...
@walkerbeckman The way I see it...Why not build one and introduce it as a suppliment for your gas...? I don;t know if I have the balls to run my car completely off of hydrogen, but I think I little love in the combustion and mpg area would warrant rigging up a little contraption to push a little HHO into the intake...It would increase gas mileage and help clean the motor a little as well right?
What we need to do is redesign our engines. Everbody wants to improve the efficency of the same internal combustion engines that have been around for over a century. Does anyone that has viewed this video (and others like it) really believe this is the type system that will power vehicles 10 or 100 yrs from now? Look at the steam engines, this was the mainstay of trains for years. but what happened? Diesel/electric power trains today. Internal combustion will soon be a thing of the past also.
@91fatboy51 I agree...electric is the way to go...We find a way to get electric cars in the mainstream, we can then influence energy companies to start getting with the geothermal and tidal energy along with wind and we can get some damn progress...But yeah, I totally agree man...We're just beating a dying horse lol
@91fatboy51 I agree...electric is the way to go...We find a way to get electric cars in the mainstream, we can then influence energy companies to start getting with the geothermal and tidal energy along with wind and we can get some damn progress...But yeah, I totally agree man...We're just beating a dying horse lol
@lophilip, hydrogen is made another way now too, one that is far more efficient than electrolysis called hydrogen reformation, where you turn fuel and diesel into hydrogen that you can then use on demand without having to be stored.
BMW has made a hydrogen internal combustion engine that you can buy. It won't solve the energy crisis though. Oil is far cheaper then hydrogen plus hydrogen today is gather in 2 ways, the cheapest is cracking crude oil, or the inefficient way is electrolysis of water. Hydrogen is not a good fuel to use.
I Have never liked nor respected the ''mythbusters''.
They do an experiment all wrong and claim it does not work.What is worst is that they do it on purpose.
They don't encourage you to discover and help change the world. They take real discoveries,dreams, and knowledge mock them and tell you ''don't even try it'' ''They are lies & myths'' ''stop thinking about them and go read a comic''.
You have to use electricity to produce the hydrogen gas which comes from fossil fuels, so why not just burn the fossil fuel in a car directly? What's the point of burning fossil fuels to produce electricity to produce hydrogen to run your car when you can run your car on fossil fuels directly?
I'm disappointed with the myth busters. I see they are confirming or busting according to the will of their corporate masters. They have lost a lot of respect from me.
Wow Mythbusters did a really bad job on this one, me and my dad made one in a PVC Champer ran it of car battire then shot a neft buttlet out of a gun we made using a bike but 18 blocks now the road... and it was A TINY amount of hydrgen lol a 6ft flame shot out the barrel
operate a gasoline engine on the hydrogen from water and operate a diesel engine on filtered used cooking oil. simple. Hydrogen bubbles off of the positive (+) and you slightly compress and contain it as a buffer so it is not need to be made on demand.
@panzerveps Fuck you, it's not my fault you don't know shit unless mythbusters tells it to you and they are not always correct or thorough, you can run cars on hydrogen, wood alcohol, and all sorts of other shit, Stan Meyer was murdered by the government for pioneering this shit. It wouldn't kill you to know some shit, I guess knowing things makes me a redneck hillbilly, fuck you.
@fatguyaaron Right.. For your information, I've studied organic chemistry for 4 years before I got sick of it and started as a mechanic instead.
So I know my chemistry (even tho I'm a bit rusty) and I know how engines work very well.
Stop your conspiracy theories, get your finger out your arse and understand basic physics; There is no such thing as free energy. No matter what method you use.
@panzerveps you have the concept that there is no other fuel than fossil fuel because we live in a country that is corrupted and kept in the dark by big oil companies and crooked politicians who are standing in the way of progress to fill their pockets. It's sad that people don't even try and explore new options, they just sit on their ass and do nothing, because they are told nothing can be done. And fuck you and your manners you stupid fuck.
Hydrogen cars work just fine, IF you do it the right way. And these contraptions is not the right way. Hydrogen fuel cells work, this fraud wont.
Electrolysis in the car wont work, because it draws power from the engine that produces the electricity needed to extract the hydrogen that keeps the engine running, and after heatloss and other energy loss, you end up with less power than the engine can ever produce. now go read a book.
@panzerveps So why can't I use one of my 4 120amp alternators to run the cell on my 305? not trying to be a smart ass...I'm just intrigued by the idea of getting some better mpg and a little more umph in the little 305 lol
@taledarkside you must not have read the whole argument man because mine is the same as yours. Go to the very top and read as you scroll down you ignorant fucking piece of shit.
@taledarkside No It was because he challenged the status quo and had the balls to go against the tyranny that keeps us down and progress down. Not thinking outside the box is what is stagnating America and also why other country's studies are leaving us in the dust.
@taledarkside how is it fake? I still havent gotten a reason why this couldnt be used to suppliment burning gas and save some money? I mean, it can't be more than a few hundred if you're buying quality supplies? And why wouldn't this work with the proper non-ferrous metals and a conditioning system? I know it would be stupid to think you could completely run a car off HHO, but adding it through the intake to increase combustion cant be a terrible idea...
If you are using baking soda, that will eat away your cylinders. 2nd. the amount of HHO is so small, you will not notice a difference.
Creating HHO is such a slow process.
You got a motor that is sucking in 1000 2 liter bottles of air mixed with gasoline per minute. Adding like a teaspoon of HHO minute is useless. Plus, you are using the energy of the engine to create HHO. So the engine will have to use more gas to create the electricity.
a man came by my shop today and was telling my dad about this he claims he has perfected it and can install it for about 700 he also mentioned he was able to mix water and deisel and it worked in a car i think the ratio was 40% diesel and 60% water
You can never get more energy from electrolysis of water than you put in. You can't even get the same amount of energy because the process can never be 100% efficient. You can burn hydrogen and it will produce water, but you'd have to produce the hydrogen first. Then you'd have to liquify it under pressure to get anywhere more than a couple of miles.
The safest way to do this is convert at the point of use. These guys figured that out. I knew they were running a 70s model Pontiac on water back in the mid 80s. This tech. is highly guarded.
Look under "gasoline vaporizer using hollow metal ball " on youtube this device really works mounts under carb or throttle body units to mix fuel air mixture. No hydrogen or anything elsa I wish Adam and Jamie would try this one out Thanks
why dont we build small wind and solar units on our own property and use the current to make hydrogen, then you compress the hydrogen and can use it whenever. I'm not sure if compressing it would take too much energy but its the only way I know that will work. The water HHO I don't know about, I'd like to try it
LIGHT!!!wind, waves, lightning, HYDRO!!! these are the abundant sources of energy that everyone is ignoring! if the same amount of effort put into building and designing cars , was put into these 5 energies instead,we would already be on our way past fossil fuels and internal combustion! but no, burning fuel is easier, and we know how to do it already... people need to realize that there is no easy way, but they have been proven effective, and nobody gives a fuck because its the hard way!
A fuel cell is an electrochemical reactor, using hydrogen and oxygen to produce water and electricity. It´s the opposite of an electrolyzer, which was shown here.
You can produce hydrogen with an electrolyzer and electric energy.
You can produce electricity with a fuel cell and hydrogen.
You can drive an internal combustion engine with hydrogen.
You can drive an electric car with electricity from a fuel cell.
But: You need energy to produce hydrogen. More than you get back from it.
@701983 yes, thats my point. But ... make electricity is cheaper than buy gas. So, if you can recharge the batteries for cheap, it will make your car money saver.
@vrso2 But why hydrogen? If you have power in the battery, use it in an electric motor! If you first use the battery power to produce hydrogen, then feed an ICE with the hydrogen, you lose about 80 or 90 percent of the energy. You would need a battery of 200 lbs just for 6 or 7 miles. You would combine the disadvantages of electric (range) and hydrogen cars (inefficiency) without any necessity.
@701983 You are thinking too far outside the box. The increased oxygen allows for the gasoline to burn more efficiently. It's like how turbo chargers and super chargers work. Both require a certain amount of outside energy to pump more O2 into an ICE. Hydrogen combustion is likely a small part of the combustion reaction itself.
@Ziji1 Electrolysis of water gives you 2 parts of hydrogen and 1 part of oxygen. There is no surplus for a more efficient combustion of gasoline. I even doubt, whether it would make a difference.
And you underestimate the needed amount of electric energy and the battery weight.
And still: If you have a big battery, why not use it directly for an electric motor? Why this complicated, energy-wasting detour with hydrogen?
@701983 Oxygen makes up 21% of the earths atmosphere. Oxygen then makes up 33% of a water molecule. See where the simple math is misleading you? By volume, there is far more oxygen in a liter of water compared to a liter of breathable air. Even a fraction of splitting water molecules results in a higher O2 content compared to 1 liter of breathable air, especially at higher altitudes. Splitting water supplements standard breathing air with greater amounts of O2 leading to better gas mileage,
@Ziji1 No misleading. You seem to think, you would just need 1 gallon of oxygen for 1 gallon of gasoline. But it´s about 1200 gallons of oxygen for 1 gallon of gasoline. Okay, my example was for a 100-percent-supplement of oxygen. How much would you supplement? And how much higher could the efficiency of the ICE be?
From 20 percent average efficiency to 25 percent?
How much more efficiency would you need to compensate the higher power demand for heavy additional equipment?
@701983 To reply to your battery question think of this: Even the most technologically advanced battery has poor efficiency. All batteries suffer internal and external energy loss. Don't believe me? Don't start your car for a month and tell me if it starts. Now H2 is very efficient at holding it's energy. It takes a H2 delta O2 reactions to make it release said energy. Hydrogen can be thought of as the ultimate battery.
@Ziji1 You don´t get the point: Even if batteries would really be so inefficient (not true), why using them to produce hydrogen and oxygen? You could take both gases with you in high pressure tanks. These tanks would weigh much less than the battery you would need for electrolysis.
Hydrogen as the ultimate battery: Yes and no. Advantage: You can store more energy with a certain weight. Disadvantage: Very high energy losses in electrolysis and fuel cell. Much more than with even old batteries.
@701983 #1 The ALTERNATOR is used to split the water NOT the battery. Batteries are horribly inefficient. The gasoline is feeding itself more oxygen in essence. As for your above comment..an intake pumps AIR not pure O2. After heat expansion the engine will see a very small amount of true O2 compared to outside AIR. Plug a pure O2 canister into your intake and tell me what happens. There is an article on Howstuffworks. Go read it for crying out loud.
@Ziji1 Okay, using onboard generated electricity is less stupid, but still stupid.
A calculation again:
An ICE generates about 8 kWh mechanical power from 1 gallon of gasoline.
If you use 10 percent of this power to produce hydrogen and oxygen, you get about 50 gallons of hydrogen and 25 gallons of oxygen.
For 1 gallon of gasoline, you need about 6000 gallons of air. The air would have 21,4 percent of oxygen instead of 21,0 percent. 10 percent from the power for 0,4 percent more oxygen?
@ 7010983 Actually I think it's closer to 1,700, not 1.260 gallons of O2 at 1 atmosphere to burn a gallon of gas. If a system could actually pump that much air to the engine I would laugh at this device along with you. There are problems like 160 C "Under Hood" temperatures that prevent this. Atmospheric pressure at 160 C is significantly less than at 20 C. You would make lots of money designing an engine that does what you claim.
@Ziji1 There seem to be different views about how producing and using hydrogen and oxygen. A last time, my main point: You can use hydrogen as a fuel and you can use oxygen for higher efficient combustion. But generating these gases onboard makes no sense, you always need more energy for it than you get back.
You could produce this gases at home and take them with you in pressure tanks.
I think, I did enough educational work for a while.
@Ziji1 I did the calculation: You would need about 35 kWh electric energy to produce enough oxygen for the combustion of 1 gallon of gasoline. 35 kWh means a battery of 700 lbs. Additional, you would need almost 2 gallons of water as a source of oxygen.
@701983 The plus side is this: science! Cobalt Oxide nanocrystals combined with a photosensitizer can use sunlight to split water molecules. Turnover frequency is about 1,140 oxygen molecules per second per cluster, which is commensurate with solar flux at ground level. Much more efficient than a standard solar panel.
@Ziji1 There are some experimental methods of more efficient hydrogen production, right. But again, you underestimate the needed amount of energy. Maybe, some day, we have hydrogen-producing panels on the roof or our house. But we will NEVER produce hydrogen on board of a car to drive an internal combustion engine with it.
High voltage/low amperage will break apart water molecules without killing the battery... You may have to strengthen the cylinder walls in the motor and modify the injectors/carburetor keep it from blowing up (hydrogen burns much hotter than gasoline), but you can modify a gas motor to run on propane or methane, so I don't think it's out of the question... I hate paying almost $4.00/gallon for gas... I think I'm going to try it... If my car blows up I can always take the bus...
@12201185234 Well.,there is cars running on LPG (propane) all around the world. My brother have chevy suburban, 2009 running on propane with no problem.
But question is, how much is cost you gallon of gas a n gallon of propane (LPG) in US ? And more important, whose gonna fill your LPG tank ?
Man, that is so janky, they need to make an engine like I produced a video for. Weather or not it requires conservation of energy, I really agree that you can't add hho to motor oil, or petrolium, that is a wrong idea, it needs a nuclear capable background. The HHO should ignite and stall the engine out point blank.
those guys are pretty much dumbasses. I watched one of their shows for 20 minutes and it was clear to me that they lack common sense and maybe are slightly retarded. But they have their own show so they must have connections or rich family or some shit like that.
i got an idea from this. if you make a hydrogen fuel cell and connect it to a generator that powers the battery wouldn't it be an eternal electricity source? im no physicist but wouldn't it work?
Maybe "drill baby drill" would work if you get rid of all the unions and the fair labor laws in the US. Otherwise, relying exclusively on our own oil will be even more expensive than dealing with OPEC.
Respectfully...you are mistaken. Over unity is a simple matter of engineering the geometry of the matter/energy phenomenon. All collapsing EM fields produce a current SPIKE. Where do you think that spike is coming from. When "state change" occurs, additional energy is produced. Just as water forced into cavitation produces excess energy in the form of heat. The universe is expanding and ACCELERATING away from its center. Acceleration of matter INCREASES its mass and kinetic energy.
@Lliafaill With very little respect, you are the one who is mistaken. In all the pseudo - science babble you are trying to argue that there is energy coming from nowhere in a state change which is untrue - its all accounted for in the equations. Water forced into cavitation generates heat but again, the energy is put into the water (usually in soun waves) its efficient but thats all. The latter stuff about Dark matter is just silly red herrings. You argie for breaking Conservation Of Energy.
@Lliafaill Yeah but this is beyond your basic 19th century Boyles law and Newtonian stuff that are the unbreakable laws of physics. You are getting into the Einstein and Quantum type of weirdness. Ie these people are flat Earth people and you are saying the Earth is a sphere.
I found a BBC video in the same vein as the myth busters. They obviously had a clear message to send out to us all and put us off the trail. Both videos seem to say that we we want to run our cars just on water. This can be done but that's a whole other story! The H H O on demand Hydrogen is just a supplement. Also in both videos no mention of electrolyte!! This makes the H H O Gas! That over sized unit that wont even fit under the bonnet is a joke also! Don't give up, just do ur homework 1st!
@RockMeAquaponics No- DO give up and stop wasting your life. Doing your homework starts with going to the library or School and doing physics and Chemistry courses, not hopefully watching YouTube videos. That teaches you that the amount of energy going into releasing the Hydrogen and Oxygen can not be greater than the amount of energy recombining it in combustion. IF you don't understand this statement, give up on this and go back to school until you do understand it. Then you see why it failed
I do not know much about this at all, but converting H2O into H2+O2 while using NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate/baking soda) as an electrode. Plain water into 2 atoms of oxygen and hydrogen each while one molecule of water contains one oxygen and two hydrogen; this isn't adding up well, you'd be making twice the oxygen than the initial reactant, or does it get an oxygen atom from the sodium bicarbonate? That being said, does the sodium bicarbonate convert itself to sodium formate (NaHCO2) during it?
The problem with these guys is that they never asked the right people to teach them how to make things right in their test. They keep on skipping a lot of things. Like their Bamboo Cannon. They used dried bamboo. Anyone who makes them during the holliday season knows that dried bamboo is not a good idea and will breakdown easily. We use newly cut green bamboo. Second, they should pick the right kind of bamboo not just an ordinary bamboo. Different bamboo breed means different wall thickness...
@DarthCrumbie Look I am sorry that you believe a horribly ineffecient toy that has been used to scam people for years is the next big thing... But seriously think about it. Everyone knows that every time energy is converted from one form to another some of it is lost. It is called diminishing returns. Logically it is far more effecient to just use the electricity that would have been used in the electrolysis process to run an electric motor. Safer too. Imagine a crash involving hydrogen tanks...
@MrAwsome514 I am yet to prove if its a good thing or not but there are plenty of people who have got this working for them on cars trucks and motorbikes. All I am here to say is that the Myth Busters did do it wrong, I love the over sized electrolysis unit that doesn't fit under the car even! They didn't mention or use any electrolyte in their water, not gonna get any big gas output without it.
@RockMeAquaponics Not true. Everyone who has ever had an electolysis unit installed into their car has claimed that it did not improve their mileage at all. If you look into it the only people who have ever claimed otherwise are also the same people who try to sell the units. The guys on myth bustera may not have had an electrolyte in their set up but if you look at the unit you can see that they have let hydrogen build up in it for a while prior to the test.
@kovacs88 yet Nasa makes enough hydrogen to use in a spacecraft, yet, you think you cannt just BOTTLE the stuff?
Anyway, 240 watts to split a gallon of hydrogen from water... 6000 watts to refine 1 gallon of gasoline from crude oil....
you were saying? oh right BMW Hydrogen 7 has a fuel tank that stores hydrogen as a liquid. So yes, its very possible WE can make our own fuel and run it in our cars, no Its not likely entirely on "hho" YET
These guy's are corprate monkeys ! I stopped watching or believing them after the Archomedes Death ray episode. They said there was no way to adjust the mirrors properly with known materials of the times forgetting about leather of course.
@kovacs88 critical error... the volume for gasoline is aprox 3x more then you need for the same results running HHO, effeciency is based by fuel in Internal combustion engines. The weight of HHO is uh negative pounds... since air is zero weight and hydrogen is lighter then air. Funny as hell watching drag racers pumping up there tires with helium to lighten the car a fraction of a gram.. lol hey Its all horsepower to weight ratio :-)
use to run Nitrous, but Hydrogen is better, burns colder
@taztaz79 you're an idiot. You completely missed my point.
I never said the alternator produced free energy. I said it's "already" producing energy. So it's not costing anything "extra" to separate the hydrogen and oxygen!
There are certain constants in this equation that can't be changed. I just figured most here were smart enough to realize what those were. But I guess you're not one of them.
Constant 1. You're gonna use gasoline to run an engine.
@DarthCrumbie Except there is no spare energy in the alternator. The car's system puts a certain load on the alternator it requries, no more, no less. If you put extra load on it, that takes extra Horse Power.
@NoFaithNoPain so yourt saying you cant upgrade to a permanent magnet alternater that puts out at least 3x the power of any standard ELECTROMAGNET alternator... wonmder where your power is going??
Electromagnet is using close to 30% of the power the alt generates in the first place :-\
I just switched my trucks 40 amp one for a pma 120 amp. I gained a couple horsepower too.. apparently its easier to turn too :-)
@Me102288 I am not saying anything, except you talk pseudo-engineering babble and miss the point. So you put a more efficient alternator on you car? IF true, HHO on demand generators still don't work, you just got a more efficient alternator.
@NoFaithNoPain so you've never heard of pma's.. no prob, I'll explain, astandard alternator generats power by first charging an electromagnet (which takes power, constant.. power)
A Permanent magnet alternator use's permanent magnets, thus NOT taking any power to produce power..
understand? its simply better technology. thats all.
If you understand, you would wastse that power on electric moter and never get it back, my way is completely regenerating as long as the engine is running
@Me102288 Oh you stupid stupid man. You are missing the point, totally. It does not matter if you use the most efficient alternator designed by God himself that runs at a full 100%. H H O still wont work. You are trying to put me down by assuming I don't know anything whilst showing yourself up with everything you write because you do not understand you are violating conservation of Energy. Yes, I know you understand COE but no, you don't see why you are violating it. Staggering.
@NoFaithNoPain Two points. First HHO may make standard fuel run and engine with better efficiency since it's not at 100%. Second obviously you cant run a car on it's own HHO generator UNLESS you break conservation of energy law. Maybe that law can be broken.
So Honda employees all stupid people who can't stick a cell in a car and make car running solely on water but you are smart? Maybe Honda is an Arabic country who doesn't want to free you from oil?
Just go learn some Chemistry, or talk to a Chemical Engineer who will tell you that it takes more energy to split water into HHO than energy produced by outcome. That simple.
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Dadagnos 1 day ago
Jamy always saiz: "well there's your problem"! But not in this show. The Solution is simple and i still cant believe Grant (the genius) said nothing! Gasoline burns WAY slower than hydrogen. All they had to do was turn the ignition timing past top dead center and that backfire would not have happened, and Adam could happily rev away.
But it is true, with some tweeking, an engine can run 100% on HHO.
19Armada84 1 day ago
2200°C = 3992°F, for Propane/Oxygen
2927°C = 5300°F, for MAPP Gas/Oxygen
2700°C = 4892°F, for Acetylene/Oxygen
3200°C = 5792°F, for Hydrogen/Oxygen
Shuttle Main Booster runs on Hydrogen/Oxygen (Rocket Fuel in other words)
Myth Busters tried to bust this one with a half ass attempt. Just as they was ordered to. (Propaganda) It ended up Busting them. Their show went down hills from then on. Goes to show ya, people know bullshit when they see it. The establishment thinks that people are stupid.
Thorrin102070 1 day ago
True, without proper research, materials, and a proven design, not to mention safety in mind at every step things can go south quickly. Most home built HHO systems do not produce enough to be useful. Even more use stainless steel which produces a poison. I think more research is in order. ppl running massive amps into these machines are trying to force a reaction when proper design may be the only real hurdle.
ymdeardorff1 2 days ago
This is naive! They try to car work only on HHO!(Look whole episode) Why they have not tested HHO as an additive like in the previous test with acetone, in same episode! They try to make perpetum mobile! And the generator doesn't provide enough gas, it's obvious. NOT BUSTED AT ALL! Greetings from Serbia
miloss018 2 days ago
After watching this episode (exploding pants episode) I lost all respect, and belief in anything the mythbusters say or do. I have built 3 of these cells myself. They work just fine. It was no doubt spurred by the authorities not wanting a bunch of red necks producing hydrogen gas bombs in their garages.
ymdeardorff1 4 days ago
HHO is no myth.
Terratracks 6 days ago
The government payed them to discredit this theory all together just like it has silenced many others.
iLEGENDARYx 1 week ago 2
Yeah but they got this off of the internet
sscooterManicZZ 1 week ago
This car needs to run on Brawndo then cause its got electrolytes.
LookItsRiceCake 1 week ago
first of all,with this cell them can produce exxxxxxxxtra more gas but this is bulshit , y made one and work wrily whell , and increase mileage wery ,sory for bad wroting , y m from serbia
djEpokalipsa 1 week ago
I never liked that show. I find those guys too full of themselves, and who knows what powers are at work behind the scenes to make certain things look like myths. Governments and corporations are powerful.
UnoQueLlegaYDice 1 week ago 2
@UnoQueLlegaYDice though if you verify their claims yourself, they turn out to be true 99.9% of the time. either that or they edit every single website on the things they do... ever... although sometimes they're a bit too pessimistic ór optimistic.
UltimatePwnageNL 1 week ago
i have runned my bike with hydrogen im 15 to :) i liked the video
akinorhan5 1 week ago
ok but how much voltage are you running your electrodes at?
Thepockets88 1 week ago
myth busters is right. this entire gambit is a myth in violation of physics.
ufo's are more real than H2O powered engines.
RealityGrapple 1 week ago
@RealityGrapple pleasepleasepleaseplease be a troll
UltimatePwnageNL 1 week ago
@UltimatePwnageNL i'll leave the trolling to you, son.
RealityGrapple 1 week ago
what they need to realize is it may not be a good source to run a car off of alone but more as a hybrid where it runs off a precentage of gasoline and a precentage of HHO together
rockinbass01 1 week ago
they off'd a guy for making an h20 car. how much did they pay mythbusters?
TheHouse230 1 week ago
united nuclear made a very safe and effective hydrogen fuel system with an industrialized hoffman appareatus you can run off solar or wind power, you just turn it on and fill the tanks in the trunk of your car and its all good.
cobalt788 2 weeks ago
desinformadores
diegoaureaveronica 2 weeks ago
MythBusters desinformadores
diegoaureaveronica 2 weeks ago
Need to bear in mind these guys are "artists" primarily and "physical scientists" secondary... It's TV people...
RealityShift1981 2 weeks ago
Dirty hippies. Get jobs and pay your taxes like AMERICANS are supposed to do. Get out of your damned communes and be members of society.
since1876 2 weeks ago
@since1876 the loyal slave loves the lash
RealityShift1981 2 weeks ago
they didnt tested properly a lot of myths..
igneous061 2 weeks ago
@igneous061 They didn't properly do a lot of things, but hey... they have a SMOKIN hot girl... so is good entertainment, yeah?
RealityShift1981 2 weeks ago
i was not using any gas just hydrogen, sick america we think we have to pay taxes alll the time
alvindavis991 2 weeks ago
ok in cailf i did do it EPA found out and told me if they catch my truck they would inpound it 2006 i used a generator in the truck not alternator. they called me everyday and bugged me at work they don't want us not paying taxes, they told me millions of people will be out of work????
alvindavis991 2 weeks ago
@alvindavis991 bs
RealityGrapple 1 week ago
What if instead of the backfire it was really a rifle blast by some sniper hiding in the bushes. They were getting a little too deep into the mystery hehe.
jaymorpheus11 2 weeks ago
Take a tip from Stan's tool box & use red laser light to quantum leap the electrons to a higher level. Then ionization requires less input.
HLANGEL100 2 weeks ago
look its quite simple, this is american tv, and as we all know the goverment controles what is being shown, there for even if this did work they wouldent be alowed to show it and if you ask me they dident make it work on purpose anyways
chrisbell1987 2 weeks ago
Adding baking soda or 'electrolytes' to the water and giving the cylinders a 3/8 gap will do absolutley nothing to change the results on the video..this method simply does not produce enough hydrogen to run an engine or even assist you to 'save fuel' in a gasoline/HHO hybrid..period...get into the reality that if someone is telling you that onboard HHO cells can produce enough hydrogen to run an engine or save you fuel they are out to scam you and/or just telling outright lies..
Abreen11 2 weeks ago
3: Note that the cycle is Water-Hydrogen and Oxygen- combustion-expansion-contraction-water.
This is not petroleum, your engine was built for petroleum, so you need to really rethink in detail. Use a mower engine for tests and a syringe or free piston in tube device.
1BustedMyth 3 weeks ago
Standard electrolysis is a waste of time, too much power used, not enough gas produced.
90 % of all HHO gear being sold is an intentional or unintentional scam.
1: produce gas with less electrical imput, low amps, high frequency, harmonics and tuned cavities.
2: Use a precombustion mixing/ ignition chamber that is screwed into the spark plug hole, that will allow you to use around 1/7 the gas for the same work done.
1BustedMyth 3 weeks ago
The video that you used as your evidence implied that the hydrogen source be created onboard the vehicle, by the vehicle. Common sense tells most people that you can't take the output of an engine and use it to make the fuel that the engine runs on in a perpetual manner. The video of '5 minutes of electrolysis fills a shopping bag' is misleading as that shopping bag of hydrogen (and oxygen and contaminants from the electrolyte) will not run a car for 5 minutes or produce another bag of fuel.
buckstarchaser 3 weeks ago
Even if they make this they gona charge us for water....
hacatan24 3 weeks ago
@hacatan24 Gallon for gallon, convenience store bottled water cost more than the gasoline they sell. CONSPIRACY??????
buckstarchaser 3 weeks ago
in my opinion, in order for this to work, we need a better way to create the electricity used to create hydrogen from water
if we used hydroelectric or wind or solar, that hydrogen becomes free if we can store it and transport it like gas, or if we can use enough solar or wind power directly on the vehicle itself
dramey03 3 weeks ago
@dramey03 We can store its like Gas and we do, we can store much more of it in a smaller space than gas but the material that enables you to store it is a minor non dangerous component of Hydrogen Bombs and Is thus illegal to sell, It is not radioactive or explosive just a component.
traindude70 2 weeks ago
HOH can only allow you to run exceptionally lean mixtures but not to run the car in total. You could use it to brun kerosene, oil or any other low octane fuel extremely lean.
josephdupont 3 weeks ago
Problem with your theory, the power produced by the alternator requires HP which is an additional load on the engine, and that additional load required more HHO than was produced by alternator power, remember the engine creates heat that is part of the entire enengy consumed when the engine runs. Best luck on really saving any money here....It's impossible
grimmrlg 3 weeks ago
A lot of people have the misconception that HHO cells are snake oil because they don't understand that the alternator produces more electricity than is needed to keep a car running, thereby defeating the argument that hydrogen cannot be economically produced. Even in a straight gasoline vehicle, when the alternator stops working, the car stops running. HHO being produced means mechanical energy to create electrical energy to keep the car going but you always have to make more, just like gas.
amishnation 3 weeks ago
The Japanese are going for patents as mass market right now with this very idea.On a liter of water the car can run for an hour at 50mph.It's in our near future,oil companies gotta be worried,if we can run cars we can do a lot more.Apparently it can run on any water too,salt,ocean,rain,whatever.
TerryTresner 3 weeks ago
It is possible to run a car just on HHO, I have almost successfully done it, u can watch my first video just by clicking on pieterdavison
PieterDavison 3 weeks ago
:26 *the diagram is completly wrong.. LOL.. Tubes are seperated from each other? This is back assward.. @ :38 his shoulder blocks half the one sheet of plans they show. @48 yet another partial snap shot. China man builds a circuit board of some sort? No mention of its use beyond fermicity fermidiling? *Is this how schools teach, after an hour you just understand it from fermicity? LoL. Then also, adams fuel cell doesnt even look like the cell plans first shown, myth busters is governed also.
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
and right off the bat he says, we got plans off the internet... *whos plans? Where are the plans? Why are they not shown while they build it? What parts did they skip? Did they skip parts? Do you know if they did? How can you tell if you do not have these plans or can see them? TV isnt a friend, its the enemy.. Understand what LIGHT is, and you will understand how TV is used to manipulate the mind, way more then you can tell if your still handing over your life to the TV box. Wake up people.
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
Oh yea and id say this, myth busters would not be allowed to show you a working device as OIL owns all TV stations, all NEws stations, ALL tv Networks and even, the manufacturing of the TV device, all of it, every last bit and on top of this, they own all radio also, ACROSS THE PLANET people... so, your never gonna learn shitola off the TV network, not ever, well, maybe youll learn some disease from watchign the commercials like polly wants a cracker. Poison tv is, notice this, turn it off now.
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
Electrolosis includes sound waves... Where is anyones sound wave device on these systems? NO PMW, NO car will run. NO tuning of the tubes, NO car will run. Can these heat a home as is, well, partially id say, depending on the design.. I hope the right person see's this stuff as I can not afford to move on my project and do my best to pass this down yet again i will say this, TUNE THE TUBES, Get a proper Working PMW built. Compare stans Tube Sizes and reproduce exactly as he does says the lenght.
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
None of these will ever produce enough HHO to run a car with out the PWM and the TUBES being TUNED properly (no idea what pitch). This is what needs testing, the pitch and tuning of the tubes themselfs must be a specific thing that stan did not really reveal except with his voice in 1 and only 1 interview. Not seing this interveiw leaves us all blinded to the whole thing as the most important part is skipped by everyone. Resonance Frequencies, Learn about them if you wish to move on this project
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
So if your going to build this like I did, i would suggest building the PWM first, then the silver tubes. Tune the tubes to eath other and look at stants plans as to how long the pipes are will also determine what pitch they operate at, must get the same size as stan to be sure where at least close to the proper pitch or note. When the pmw works right and the tubes are tuned right, it should produce 4X the HHO with 4 times the amount of energy stored in each atomic structure meaning, more power.
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
Id also say, I do not know how to tune my tubes to each other. I would imagine an oscilisope would help me do this? This is where i am stuck personally, how do i test metal for what note it is making in musical notes? The tubes are tuned to a certain pitch alike we know a high c note will shatter glass, NO one is making this part of stans system, the peice that shatters the water more effeciently. Seen one where he tuned the tubes and it POURS out bubbles. This one video the guy had it right.
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
No word of Stan Meyers Resonator device, the Pulse wave mdoulator that is... Stan also says this, the Tubes are TUNED to the same note, so, the tube inside should be smaller then one one outside and Tuned to the same Frequency or note like an AIR piano in a church that inwhich NO ONE Does... THE PMW is very important and also the tuning of the silver pipes is what everyone forgets. I have stans device yet I havent tuned the tubes or do i have the PWM. Makes HHO, prolly not enough as it is now.
RobMonty248 3 weeks ago
oh for fucks sake put this HHO / Meyer crap to rest.
EEguy85 3 weeks ago
the myth busters failed because they were payed to. No expense will be spared in the protection of the monopoly. Several methods have been developed over the years that would have made efficient use of the power of gasoline. The ones that held the most promise were bought out or imprisoned, and buried. They do this to scare anyone else from trying, and to keep the secret. It's really about "energy" and "control"; of YOU!!! First they make you reliant on them, then they have the control!!!
maladjustable 3 weeks ago 2
unmodified engine hydrogen explodes on contact with oxygen
Rogue4891 1 month ago
@Rogue4891 No it does not! It absolutely needs a catalyst to fuse 2H2+O2 = 2h2o + heat
arctictimberwolf 1 month ago
You know what this sounds like is what lead acid batteries (aka typical car batteries) do already. They actually produce hydrogen and oxygen toward the end of their charge cycle which is why you have to add water to them occasionally. I wonder if there's a way to harness that in some way rather than adding a whole other system that essentially does the same thing.
packinwood2009 1 month ago
HHO cel is not for running the engine, is just to help to burn the gasoline or diesel more efficently.
jcrespo1984 1 month ago
LOL
MARTICEWATSON 1 month ago
as much as i want this to be real, please name one HHO cell that produces 600 to 700 liters per minute (which is what an average car takes in at idle)... don't get me wrong - i wish these worked, but i have not yet come across one that does... if you know of one (and have proof) please write me back and let me know...
walkerbeckman 1 month ago
@walkerbeckman The way I see it...Why not build one and introduce it as a suppliment for your gas...? I don;t know if I have the balls to run my car completely off of hydrogen, but I think I little love in the combustion and mpg area would warrant rigging up a little contraption to push a little HHO into the intake...It would increase gas mileage and help clean the motor a little as well right?
Deciblaster 1 month ago
What we need to do is redesign our engines. Everbody wants to improve the efficency of the same internal combustion engines that have been around for over a century. Does anyone that has viewed this video (and others like it) really believe this is the type system that will power vehicles 10 or 100 yrs from now? Look at the steam engines, this was the mainstay of trains for years. but what happened? Diesel/electric power trains today. Internal combustion will soon be a thing of the past also.
91fatboy51 1 month ago
@91fatboy51 I agree...electric is the way to go...We find a way to get electric cars in the mainstream, we can then influence energy companies to start getting with the geothermal and tidal energy along with wind and we can get some damn progress...But yeah, I totally agree man...We're just beating a dying horse lol
Deciblaster 1 month ago
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@91fatboy51 I agree...electric is the way to go...We find a way to get electric cars in the mainstream, we can then influence energy companies to start getting with the geothermal and tidal energy along with wind and we can get some damn progress...But yeah, I totally agree man...We're just beating a dying horse lol
Deciblaster 1 month ago
@lophilip, hydrogen is made another way now too, one that is far more efficient than electrolysis called hydrogen reformation, where you turn fuel and diesel into hydrogen that you can then use on demand without having to be stored.
shmigoli 1 month ago
BMW has made a hydrogen internal combustion engine that you can buy. It won't solve the energy crisis though. Oil is far cheaper then hydrogen plus hydrogen today is gather in 2 ways, the cheapest is cracking crude oil, or the inefficient way is electrolysis of water. Hydrogen is not a good fuel to use.
lophilip 1 month ago
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I Have never liked nor respected the ''mythbusters''.
They do an experiment all wrong and claim it does not work.What is worst is that they do it on purpose.
They don't encourage you to discover and help change the world. They take real discoveries,dreams, and knowledge mock them and tell you ''don't even try it'' ''They are lies & myths'' ''stop thinking about them and go read a comic''.
mrchibitix59 1 month ago
You have to use electricity to produce the hydrogen gas which comes from fossil fuels, so why not just burn the fossil fuel in a car directly? What's the point of burning fossil fuels to produce electricity to produce hydrogen to run your car when you can run your car on fossil fuels directly?
pmfabri 1 month ago
@pmfabri
So stupid people can buy the kits that don't work and make other people rich.
taledarkside 1 month ago
Are the mythbusters expert about everything?
8student 1 month ago
I'm disappointed with the myth busters. I see they are confirming or busting according to the will of their corporate masters. They have lost a lot of respect from me.
timothywiesner 1 month ago
Wow Mythbusters did a really bad job on this one, me and my dad made one in a PVC Champer ran it of car battire then shot a neft buttlet out of a gun we made using a bike but 18 blocks now the road... and it was A TINY amount of hydrgen lol a 6ft flame shot out the barrel
ht448 1 month ago
Hell yeah, anybody who thinks myth busters is the be all and end all is a fucktard
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
operate a gasoline engine on the hydrogen from water and operate a diesel engine on filtered used cooking oil. simple. Hydrogen bubbles off of the positive (+) and you slightly compress and contain it as a buffer so it is not need to be made on demand.
RiaRadioFMHD773 1 month ago
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These worthless devices lower fuel economy. Why don't you clowns take my $1,000 prize?
Desertphile 1 month ago
@OG96932 ehm, no.
Making hydrogen takes more energy than it produces.
You cannot, ever, make a system that produce enough hydrogen to keep a car running for more than a few seconds.
If this worked, you would need more and more hydrogen the faster you go.
The alternator produces a flat amount of juice, so there's no way a system like that could keep up.
I'm not saying you can't run a car on hydrogen, just that these systems are pure bullcrap.
panzerveps 1 month ago
@panzerveps Tell that to Stan Meyer you stupid fuck.
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron Fuck of and die, redneck hillbilly
panzerveps 1 month ago
@panzerveps Fuck you, it's not my fault you don't know shit unless mythbusters tells it to you and they are not always correct or thorough, you can run cars on hydrogen, wood alcohol, and all sorts of other shit, Stan Meyer was murdered by the government for pioneering this shit. It wouldn't kill you to know some shit, I guess knowing things makes me a redneck hillbilly, fuck you.
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron Right.. For your information, I've studied organic chemistry for 4 years before I got sick of it and started as a mechanic instead.
So I know my chemistry (even tho I'm a bit rusty) and I know how engines work very well.
Stop your conspiracy theories, get your finger out your arse and understand basic physics; There is no such thing as free energy. No matter what method you use.
And learn some manners while you're at it.
panzerveps 1 month ago
@panzerveps you have the concept that there is no other fuel than fossil fuel because we live in a country that is corrupted and kept in the dark by big oil companies and crooked politicians who are standing in the way of progress to fill their pockets. It's sad that people don't even try and explore new options, they just sit on their ass and do nothing, because they are told nothing can be done. And fuck you and your manners you stupid fuck.
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron I dont think you know how to read.
Hydrogen cars work just fine, IF you do it the right way. And these contraptions is not the right way. Hydrogen fuel cells work, this fraud wont.
Electrolysis in the car wont work, because it draws power from the engine that produces the electricity needed to extract the hydrogen that keeps the engine running, and after heatloss and other energy loss, you end up with less power than the engine can ever produce. now go read a book.
panzerveps 1 month ago
@panzerveps Or I could just look it up on Wikipedia like you did and hope it's a correct source.
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
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@panzerveps So why can't I use one of my 4 120amp alternators to run the cell on my 305? not trying to be a smart ass...I'm just intrigued by the idea of getting some better mpg and a little more umph in the little 305 lol
Deciblaster 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron
They have been running hydrogen cars and propane cars for decades dumb fuck.
Doing the bullshit kit called HHO isn't going to work.
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside you must not have read the whole argument man because mine is the same as yours. Go to the very top and read as you scroll down you ignorant fucking piece of shit.
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron
Stan Meyer was murdered by the government for pioneering this shit
dumbfuck
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside you are a stupid fucking Idiot, I already said that, stop trolling you stupid asshole.
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron
you claim what, that the government killed a guy that was a conartist, because he was using 200 year old technology?
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside No It was because he challenged the status quo and had the balls to go against the tyranny that keeps us down and progress down. Not thinking outside the box is what is stagnating America and also why other country's studies are leaving us in the dust.
fatguyaaron 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron
So he was thinking out of the box by using 200 year old technology? ROFL
Where is Japans car that runs on water? Germany? Russia?
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside fa t gu y aar o n is f b i and a t f
arctictimberwolf 1 month ago
@fatguyaaron
you claiming some guy was killed by the government because he made an electrolysis kit he was trying to rip people off with?
Not ignorant. I'm an engineer, and know these bullshit HHO kits that conartists sell on ebay youtube is fake.
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside how is it fake? I still havent gotten a reason why this couldnt be used to suppliment burning gas and save some money? I mean, it can't be more than a few hundred if you're buying quality supplies? And why wouldn't this work with the proper non-ferrous metals and a conditioning system? I know it would be stupid to think you could completely run a car off HHO, but adding it through the intake to increase combustion cant be a terrible idea...
Deciblaster 1 month ago
@Deciblaster
If you are using baking soda, that will eat away your cylinders. 2nd. the amount of HHO is so small, you will not notice a difference.
Creating HHO is such a slow process.
You got a motor that is sucking in 1000 2 liter bottles of air mixed with gasoline per minute. Adding like a teaspoon of HHO minute is useless. Plus, you are using the energy of the engine to create HHO. So the engine will have to use more gas to create the electricity.
taledarkside 1 month ago
I had that car!
nws7verizonnet 1 month ago
a man came by my shop today and was telling my dad about this he claims he has perfected it and can install it for about 700 he also mentioned he was able to mix water and deisel and it worked in a car i think the ratio was 40% diesel and 60% water
thomasandfriends612 1 month ago
@thomasandfriends612 mix water and diesel, and you ruin the engine, lol...
panzerveps 1 month ago
You can never get more energy from electrolysis of water than you put in. You can't even get the same amount of energy because the process can never be 100% efficient. You can burn hydrogen and it will produce water, but you'd have to produce the hydrogen first. Then you'd have to liquify it under pressure to get anywhere more than a couple of miles.
TheEvilDrR 1 month ago
@TheEvilDrR Actually....watch?v=LzGU_8uvsZ0&feature=youtu.be
NordenzurZukunft 1 month ago
The safest way to do this is convert at the point of use. These guys figured that out. I knew they were running a 70s model Pontiac on water back in the mid 80s. This tech. is highly guarded.
watch?v=0mKh3hARv8M&feature=uploademail
Zalobar 1 month ago
Look under "gasoline vaporizer using hollow metal ball " on youtube this device really works mounts under carb or throttle body units to mix fuel air mixture. No hydrogen or anything elsa I wish Adam and Jamie would try this one out Thanks
RLBJR666 1 month ago
why dont we build small wind and solar units on our own property and use the current to make hydrogen, then you compress the hydrogen and can use it whenever. I'm not sure if compressing it would take too much energy but its the only way I know that will work. The water HHO I don't know about, I'd like to try it
MrROTD 1 month ago
@MrROTD Mauricelao dot weebly dot com. Check out my project, no dangerous electrolyzer, just pure water
BOREDANDWELLBORED 1 month ago
GET WITH THE FUCKING PICTURE!!!!
ismokewead420 1 month ago
LIGHT!!!wind, waves, lightning, HYDRO!!! these are the abundant sources of energy that everyone is ignoring! if the same amount of effort put into building and designing cars , was put into these 5 energies instead,we would already be on our way past fossil fuels and internal combustion! but no, burning fuel is easier, and we know how to do it already... people need to realize that there is no easy way, but they have been proven effective, and nobody gives a fuck because its the hard way!
ismokewead420 1 month ago
A fuel cell is an electrochemical reactor, using hydrogen and oxygen to produce water and electricity. It´s the opposite of an electrolyzer, which was shown here.
You can produce hydrogen with an electrolyzer and electric energy.
You can produce electricity with a fuel cell and hydrogen.
You can drive an internal combustion engine with hydrogen.
You can drive an electric car with electricity from a fuel cell.
But: You need energy to produce hydrogen. More than you get back from it.
701983 1 month ago
@701983 yes, thats my point. But ... make electricity is cheaper than buy gas. So, if you can recharge the batteries for cheap, it will make your car money saver.
vrso2 1 month ago
@vrso2 But why hydrogen? If you have power in the battery, use it in an electric motor! If you first use the battery power to produce hydrogen, then feed an ICE with the hydrogen, you lose about 80 or 90 percent of the energy. You would need a battery of 200 lbs just for 6 or 7 miles. You would combine the disadvantages of electric (range) and hydrogen cars (inefficiency) without any necessity.
701983 1 month ago
@701983 You are thinking too far outside the box. The increased oxygen allows for the gasoline to burn more efficiently. It's like how turbo chargers and super chargers work. Both require a certain amount of outside energy to pump more O2 into an ICE. Hydrogen combustion is likely a small part of the combustion reaction itself.
Ziji1 1 month ago
@Ziji1 Electrolysis of water gives you 2 parts of hydrogen and 1 part of oxygen. There is no surplus for a more efficient combustion of gasoline. I even doubt, whether it would make a difference.
And you underestimate the needed amount of electric energy and the battery weight.
And still: If you have a big battery, why not use it directly for an electric motor? Why this complicated, energy-wasting detour with hydrogen?
701983 1 month ago
@701983 Oxygen makes up 21% of the earths atmosphere. Oxygen then makes up 33% of a water molecule. See where the simple math is misleading you? By volume, there is far more oxygen in a liter of water compared to a liter of breathable air. Even a fraction of splitting water molecules results in a higher O2 content compared to 1 liter of breathable air, especially at higher altitudes. Splitting water supplements standard breathing air with greater amounts of O2 leading to better gas mileage,
Ziji1 1 month ago
@Ziji1 No misleading. You seem to think, you would just need 1 gallon of oxygen for 1 gallon of gasoline. But it´s about 1200 gallons of oxygen for 1 gallon of gasoline. Okay, my example was for a 100-percent-supplement of oxygen. How much would you supplement? And how much higher could the efficiency of the ICE be?
From 20 percent average efficiency to 25 percent?
How much more efficiency would you need to compensate the higher power demand for heavy additional equipment?
701983 1 month ago
@701983 To reply to your battery question think of this: Even the most technologically advanced battery has poor efficiency. All batteries suffer internal and external energy loss. Don't believe me? Don't start your car for a month and tell me if it starts. Now H2 is very efficient at holding it's energy. It takes a H2 delta O2 reactions to make it release said energy. Hydrogen can be thought of as the ultimate battery.
Ziji1 1 month ago
@Ziji1 You don´t get the point: Even if batteries would really be so inefficient (not true), why using them to produce hydrogen and oxygen? You could take both gases with you in high pressure tanks. These tanks would weigh much less than the battery you would need for electrolysis.
Hydrogen as the ultimate battery: Yes and no. Advantage: You can store more energy with a certain weight. Disadvantage: Very high energy losses in electrolysis and fuel cell. Much more than with even old batteries.
701983 1 month ago
@701983 #1 The ALTERNATOR is used to split the water NOT the battery. Batteries are horribly inefficient. The gasoline is feeding itself more oxygen in essence. As for your above comment..an intake pumps AIR not pure O2. After heat expansion the engine will see a very small amount of true O2 compared to outside AIR. Plug a pure O2 canister into your intake and tell me what happens. There is an article on Howstuffworks. Go read it for crying out loud.
Ziji1 1 month ago
@Ziji1 Okay, using onboard generated electricity is less stupid, but still stupid.
A calculation again:
An ICE generates about 8 kWh mechanical power from 1 gallon of gasoline.
If you use 10 percent of this power to produce hydrogen and oxygen, you get about 50 gallons of hydrogen and 25 gallons of oxygen.
For 1 gallon of gasoline, you need about 6000 gallons of air. The air would have 21,4 percent of oxygen instead of 21,0 percent. 10 percent from the power for 0,4 percent more oxygen?
701983 1 month ago
@ 7010983 Actually I think it's closer to 1,700, not 1.260 gallons of O2 at 1 atmosphere to burn a gallon of gas. If a system could actually pump that much air to the engine I would laugh at this device along with you. There are problems like 160 C "Under Hood" temperatures that prevent this. Atmospheric pressure at 160 C is significantly less than at 20 C. You would make lots of money designing an engine that does what you claim.
Ziji1 1 month ago
@Ziji1 I can´t stand it, I have to answer:
I was not accurate, I just counted back from the produced CO2, ignoring the H2O in the exhaust. 1700 ist correct, but not 1,700.
It´s simple chemistry.
Another approach: What is the cylinder capacity of an engine? How many cycles do the cylinders to combust 1 gallon of gasoline?
If you don´t believe me, take a look for "Air-fuel-ratio".
You need 14,7 lbs of air to combust 1 lb of gasoline.
That´s 8500 gallons of air for 1 gallon of gasoline.
701983 1 month ago
@Ziji1 There seem to be different views about how producing and using hydrogen and oxygen. A last time, my main point: You can use hydrogen as a fuel and you can use oxygen for higher efficient combustion. But generating these gases onboard makes no sense, you always need more energy for it than you get back.
You could produce this gases at home and take them with you in pressure tanks.
I think, I did enough educational work for a while.
Bye!
701983 1 month ago
@Ziji1 I did the calculation: You would need about 35 kWh electric energy to produce enough oxygen for the combustion of 1 gallon of gasoline. 35 kWh means a battery of 700 lbs. Additional, you would need almost 2 gallons of water as a source of oxygen.
Believe me: A turbo charger is the better way!
701983 1 month ago
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@Ziji1 Mauricelao dot weebly dot com. Check out my HHO project, no dangerous electrolyzer, just pure water
BOREDANDWELLBORED 1 month ago
@701983 The plus side is this: science! Cobalt Oxide nanocrystals combined with a photosensitizer can use sunlight to split water molecules. Turnover frequency is about 1,140 oxygen molecules per second per cluster, which is commensurate with solar flux at ground level. Much more efficient than a standard solar panel.
Ziji1 1 month ago
@Ziji1 There are some experimental methods of more efficient hydrogen production, right. But again, you underestimate the needed amount of energy. Maybe, some day, we have hydrogen-producing panels on the roof or our house. But we will NEVER produce hydrogen on board of a car to drive an internal combustion engine with it.
701983 1 month ago
So how do you power the electrodes?
SudoJudo1 1 month ago
When will you prove that you can run a car entirely off an HHO cell? Seems that is the point you were trying to get across, but failed to show us.
TickyTack23 1 month ago
They were not trying to test this "myth" you could tell from the beginning they were told to disprove it.
MyNameIsAwes0me 1 month ago
High voltage/low amperage will break apart water molecules without killing the battery... You may have to strengthen the cylinder walls in the motor and modify the injectors/carburetor keep it from blowing up (hydrogen burns much hotter than gasoline), but you can modify a gas motor to run on propane or methane, so I don't think it's out of the question... I hate paying almost $4.00/gallon for gas... I think I'm going to try it... If my car blows up I can always take the bus...
12201185234 2 months ago
@12201185234 Well.,there is cars running on LPG (propane) all around the world. My brother have chevy suburban, 2009 running on propane with no problem.
But question is, how much is cost you gallon of gas a n gallon of propane (LPG) in US ? And more important, whose gonna fill your LPG tank ?
vrso2 1 month ago
Mythbusters FUCK YOUUUU!!
syphonfilterarg 2 months ago
not a great idea to have a license plate in your shot
brightshadow6 2 months ago
I can blow more methane out my ass in in a day then that fake ass mythbuster HHO cell deliver HHO in a week. Watching these clowns just lowers my IQ.
mwcdx 2 months ago
Man, that is so janky, they need to make an engine like I produced a video for. Weather or not it requires conservation of energy, I really agree that you can't add hho to motor oil, or petrolium, that is a wrong idea, it needs a nuclear capable background. The HHO should ignite and stall the engine out point blank.
ftlqed 2 months ago
these guys need to "up" their meds a bit !!
blumaxx1 2 months ago
those guys are pretty much dumbasses. I watched one of their shows for 20 minutes and it was clear to me that they lack common sense and maybe are slightly retarded. But they have their own show so they must have connections or rich family or some shit like that.
provc 2 months ago
those two guys are CIA PLANTS
SadlyWatches 2 months ago
@SadlyWatches You are an idiot.
MrAwsome514 2 months ago
i got an idea from this. if you make a hydrogen fuel cell and connect it to a generator that powers the battery wouldn't it be an eternal electricity source? im no physicist but wouldn't it work?
Erobazai 2 months ago
@Erobazai Only if the electrolysis process was over 100% effecient... which it is not.
MrAwsome514 2 months ago
one thing that always bothered me about this technology. will it be economically feasible to make hydrogen in large quantities?
TheZachary86 2 months ago
Drill here and drill now. Let's get our own oil and turn Saudi Arabia back into camel herders. God Bless America.
texaskidzuk 2 months ago
@texaskidzuk
Maybe "drill baby drill" would work if you get rid of all the unions and the fair labor laws in the US. Otherwise, relying exclusively on our own oil will be even more expensive than dealing with OPEC.
logik316 2 months ago
2:42 Yea... That was pure hydrogen. Not HHO. So no it does not prove shit really.
MrAwsome514 2 months ago
Respectfully...you are mistaken. Over unity is a simple matter of engineering the geometry of the matter/energy phenomenon. All collapsing EM fields produce a current SPIKE. Where do you think that spike is coming from. When "state change" occurs, additional energy is produced. Just as water forced into cavitation produces excess energy in the form of heat. The universe is expanding and ACCELERATING away from its center. Acceleration of matter INCREASES its mass and kinetic energy.
Lliafaill 2 months ago
@Lliafaill With very little respect, you are the one who is mistaken. In all the pseudo - science babble you are trying to argue that there is energy coming from nowhere in a state change which is untrue - its all accounted for in the equations. Water forced into cavitation generates heat but again, the energy is put into the water (usually in soun waves) its efficient but thats all. The latter stuff about Dark matter is just silly red herrings. You argie for breaking Conservation Of Energy.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@Lliafaill Yeah but this is beyond your basic 19th century Boyles law and Newtonian stuff that are the unbreakable laws of physics. You are getting into the Einstein and Quantum type of weirdness. Ie these people are flat Earth people and you are saying the Earth is a sphere.
RavenPrecept 2 months ago
I found a BBC video in the same vein as the myth busters. They obviously had a clear message to send out to us all and put us off the trail. Both videos seem to say that we we want to run our cars just on water. This can be done but that's a whole other story! The H H O on demand Hydrogen is just a supplement. Also in both videos no mention of electrolyte!! This makes the H H O Gas! That over sized unit that wont even fit under the bonnet is a joke also! Don't give up, just do ur homework 1st!
RockMeAquaponics 2 months ago
@RockMeAquaponics No- DO give up and stop wasting your life. Doing your homework starts with going to the library or School and doing physics and Chemistry courses, not hopefully watching YouTube videos. That teaches you that the amount of energy going into releasing the Hydrogen and Oxygen can not be greater than the amount of energy recombining it in combustion. IF you don't understand this statement, give up on this and go back to school until you do understand it. Then you see why it failed
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@NoFaithNoPain You are assuming that is true.
RavenPrecept 2 months ago
I do not know much about this at all, but converting H2O into H2+O2 while using NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate/baking soda) as an electrode. Plain water into 2 atoms of oxygen and hydrogen each while one molecule of water contains one oxygen and two hydrogen; this isn't adding up well, you'd be making twice the oxygen than the initial reactant, or does it get an oxygen atom from the sodium bicarbonate? That being said, does the sodium bicarbonate convert itself to sodium formate (NaHCO2) during it?
pyroboy1 2 months ago
The problem with these guys is that they never asked the right people to teach them how to make things right in their test. They keep on skipping a lot of things. Like their Bamboo Cannon. They used dried bamboo. Anyone who makes them during the holliday season knows that dried bamboo is not a good idea and will breakdown easily. We use newly cut green bamboo. Second, they should pick the right kind of bamboo not just an ordinary bamboo. Different bamboo breed means different wall thickness...
ezramark 2 months ago
I'm done.. This is getting nowhere.
Just a bunch of trolls!
DarthCrumbie 2 months ago
@DarthCrumbie Look I am sorry that you believe a horribly ineffecient toy that has been used to scam people for years is the next big thing... But seriously think about it. Everyone knows that every time energy is converted from one form to another some of it is lost. It is called diminishing returns. Logically it is far more effecient to just use the electricity that would have been used in the electrolysis process to run an electric motor. Safer too. Imagine a crash involving hydrogen tanks...
MrAwsome514 2 months ago
@MrAwsome514 I am yet to prove if its a good thing or not but there are plenty of people who have got this working for them on cars trucks and motorbikes. All I am here to say is that the Myth Busters did do it wrong, I love the over sized electrolysis unit that doesn't fit under the car even! They didn't mention or use any electrolyte in their water, not gonna get any big gas output without it.
RockMeAquaponics 2 months ago
@RockMeAquaponics Not true. Everyone who has ever had an electolysis unit installed into their car has claimed that it did not improve their mileage at all. If you look into it the only people who have ever claimed otherwise are also the same people who try to sell the units. The guys on myth bustera may not have had an electrolyte in their set up but if you look at the unit you can see that they have let hydrogen build up in it for a while prior to the test.
MrAwsome514 2 months ago
@kovacs88 yet Nasa makes enough hydrogen to use in a spacecraft, yet, you think you cannt just BOTTLE the stuff?
Anyway, 240 watts to split a gallon of hydrogen from water... 6000 watts to refine 1 gallon of gasoline from crude oil....
you were saying? oh right BMW Hydrogen 7 has a fuel tank that stores hydrogen as a liquid. So yes, its very possible WE can make our own fuel and run it in our cars, no Its not likely entirely on "hho" YET
Me102288 2 months ago
@kovacs88 I did but I am no Wizard, I am a Christian.
amos033 2 months ago
These guy's are corprate monkeys ! I stopped watching or believing them after the Archomedes Death ray episode. They said there was no way to adjust the mirrors properly with known materials of the times forgetting about leather of course.
Steacy783 2 months ago
@kovacs88 critical error... the volume for gasoline is aprox 3x more then you need for the same results running HHO, effeciency is based by fuel in Internal combustion engines. The weight of HHO is uh negative pounds... since air is zero weight and hydrogen is lighter then air. Funny as hell watching drag racers pumping up there tires with helium to lighten the car a fraction of a gram.. lol hey Its all horsepower to weight ratio :-)
use to run Nitrous, but Hydrogen is better, burns colder
Me102288 2 months ago
@Me102288 lol true, I had no idea till I got into basic electronics that you actually could mak resisters out of bubbles of water.
Still cant believe they skipped the electrolyte. lol
Me102288 2 months ago
@taztaz79 you're an idiot. You completely missed my point.
I never said the alternator produced free energy. I said it's "already" producing energy. So it's not costing anything "extra" to separate the hydrogen and oxygen!
There are certain constants in this equation that can't be changed. I just figured most here were smart enough to realize what those were. But I guess you're not one of them.
Constant 1. You're gonna use gasoline to run an engine.
Constant 2. As long as that engine is t
DarthCrumbie 2 months ago
@DarthCrumbie Except there is no spare energy in the alternator. The car's system puts a certain load on the alternator it requries, no more, no less. If you put extra load on it, that takes extra Horse Power.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@NoFaithNoPain so yourt saying you cant upgrade to a permanent magnet alternater that puts out at least 3x the power of any standard ELECTROMAGNET alternator... wonmder where your power is going??
Electromagnet is using close to 30% of the power the alt generates in the first place :-\
I just switched my trucks 40 amp one for a pma 120 amp. I gained a couple horsepower too.. apparently its easier to turn too :-)
Me102288 2 months ago
@Me102288 I am not saying anything, except you talk pseudo-engineering babble and miss the point. So you put a more efficient alternator on you car? IF true, HHO on demand generators still don't work, you just got a more efficient alternator.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@NoFaithNoPain so you've never heard of pma's.. no prob, I'll explain, astandard alternator generats power by first charging an electromagnet (which takes power, constant.. power)
A Permanent magnet alternator use's permanent magnets, thus NOT taking any power to produce power..
understand? its simply better technology. thats all.
If you understand, you would wastse that power on electric moter and never get it back, my way is completely regenerating as long as the engine is running
Me102288 2 months ago
@Me102288 Oh you stupid stupid man. You are missing the point, totally. It does not matter if you use the most efficient alternator designed by God himself that runs at a full 100%. H H O still wont work. You are trying to put me down by assuming I don't know anything whilst showing yourself up with everything you write because you do not understand you are violating conservation of Energy. Yes, I know you understand COE but no, you don't see why you are violating it. Staggering.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@NoFaithNoPain Two points. First HHO may make standard fuel run and engine with better efficiency since it's not at 100%. Second obviously you cant run a car on it's own HHO generator UNLESS you break conservation of energy law. Maybe that law can be broken.
RavenPrecept 2 months ago