Speechless...Silencing the Christians - Part 7 of 7

[edgwaterprog]

What a lame bunch of crap. It is amazing how many people out there believe that they have the right to force their religious beliefs on others then claim that they are the ones being mistreated. The cognative dissonance is deafning.

[giramino]

@edgwaterprog Well for instance if you are a parent who wants their children protected from this type of activity or if you are opposed to nudity protests in the street for instance, and yet you are made to simply accept things you are opposed to, then your rights have been violated. No one is making it necessarily a crime to be homosexual, but just don’t expect or insist on others, especially Christians to support or accept your sinful lifestyle or behavior. That's all they're saying.

[edgwaterprog]

@giramino Case in point... tell your kids to turn their heads if you do not want them to look at a naked person or a gay couple holding hands. Or do you not have any control over your children and you want the state to act as giant nanny for you?

[giramino]

@edgwaterprog Our children should not be exposed to naked protests in public places, the acceptance of homosexual behavior, pornography, drug dealers, child molesters or any other harmful elements or persons. There are laws against harmful elements, people and behavior as there definitely should be for our children's protection.

[CurtisRowell]

@edgwaterprog Not one Christian, if they are truly a Christian, will force their beliefs upon you - nor is there anything of this nature in any of these videos.

I, as a Christian, can show compassion for another human being but that does not mean that I must agree with his or her chosen lifestyle. Those who 'bash' gays in the name of Christendom are no better than the Catholics during the inquisition or even those who participated in the several Crusades - ALL of those motivations were wrong.

[safensound2011]

Gay people and activists aren't so much anti family, anti marriage, or anti Christian, as anti the damaging prejudice derived from selective literalism and also direct misinterpretation of scripture.

[gypsydancer64]

You have problems with defending humans rights. They are humans and they deserve to work and be protected just like every other AMERICAN! For you to have problem with them being protected against hate crimes, or gaining employment like other Americans, means you are not humble. You, with your chest puffed with pride. I would never sit in the same pew with you. America is the land of free. If you don't like it LEAVE.

[giramino]

@gypsydancer64 What about the free speech of Christians and others groups that believe God Who said many times in the Bible that homosexuality is sinful, an abomination, abnormal and disgusting? Why are they being forced to accept something they know is wrong as being OK? That would be taking 'human rights' from millions of people who have the human right to refuse to accept something that is wrong.

[gypsydancer64]

@giramino that is your belief. You have that right. And they have their rights too. But for you to not want another human to be protected against bashings and for you to not want another person to make a living so they can eat and afford a place to sleep is not humble. Love thy neighbor. Don't you believe in Jesus? Did you read the sermon on the mountain?

[giramino]

@gypsydancer64 I wonder why you have assumed that I don't want people protected from 'bashing' and that I would not want 'another person to not make a living'. I'm really not sure or whether you may be referring to someone else you've commented on recently. I can't think of anything further from the truth that your unfounded claims.

[gypsydancer64]

@giramino I am talking about you having a problem with when you refer to the "expanding hate crimes legislation, and the passing the employment non descrimintaion act" You want freedom of speech and religion, but this country doesn't consist of just you.

[giramino]

@gypsydancer64 Employment opportunities should be based on choices made by an employer or business owner based on qualifications including education, training, appearance, referral from previous employer, dress code, physical qualifications for lifting for instance, etc. and not whether someone is a sinner, has sex with someone of the same sex, is unfaithful and commits adultery or is a liar. Sin is sin to God. A ‘white lie’ is still a lie to God. Adultery is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin.

[gypsydancer64]

@giramino everyone should have freedom of speech, you like you and every one else in this country included.

[laysea65]

God bless you Giramino for posting this can you tell me where parts 1 through 3 are? cant find them ty

[giramino]

@laysea65 Thank you for your kind comments. Here is the playlist with all videos in order. May God continue to bless you!

/playlist?list=PL5C8EB7642A491­E18 (copy and paste after youtube .com)

[gilliamjf]

She's the meanest thing alive.

[cachemachine]

@jerrydoubleu So I'm stupid by not being afraid of you? What can you do to me? Kill me..you'll go to jail! Publicly ridicule me...I like to see you in the south. Or have me arrested for praying? I'm so sacred. :( Better yet take away my freedom of speech..too late the liberals in office are working on it.

Christianity isn't religion! It's about a relationship with someone who loved us enough to give up their life so our sin are forgiven.

Now is the time you start calling me bad names!

[cachemachine]

@jerrydoubleu On behalf of 100% of all Christians in this world. We care. The Bible has been around longer than man can recall. It contains answers to all life's questions and problems.

Also on behalf of all Christians we are no longer afraid of the anti-Christian movement and we ready to take you guys to mats!!! Like Satan in the book of Revelations you are defeated!!!!! PRAISE GOD ALMIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!

[GAYPRIDE1985]

Same sex marriage IS EQUAL to heterosexual marriage. It Should be legal! No one will make any church hire someone who is gay, just like they wouldnt make you hire a black man. But if you do hire a black man, you CANNOT discriminate. And that is how it is for gay people. This hateful ignorant movie meant to mislead will not help. We will get ALL of our equal (not special because you have them). ENDA is law, DADT is gone. WE WILL have marriage soon! GET OVER IT!!!!!

[giramino]

Same sex marriage ‘equal’? 87% of the voters of California, 79% of Florida voters and similar figures in other states seem to disagree with your claim and personal option. In addition, God never intended for two males or two females to blaspheme the sanctity and reverence of marriage between a man and a woman.

[GAYPRIDE1985]

@giramino your numbers are way off.....it was NOT 87% of California. It was only 52%. It won by a small margin, AND it was overturned in court as civil rights is something that people should NOT be allowed to vote on. The civil rights act in the 60's wasnt put to a vote on the ballot, if it did it would have lost. It is equal, it is exists in 5 other states and many other countries without problems. Stop spewing your ignorance and lies. And PS. People cannot "come out of homosexuality" ask a Dr

[jerrydoubleu]

@giramino --gay marriage is equal

[giramino]

@jerrydoubleu Really? Are you sure?  Where do you get the information for your claim? Should I believe you or God's Word?

[cachemachine]

@jerrydoubleu Please show me in the bible where it says it's ok.

[giramino]

@GAYPRIDE1985 God does not change and so then you should ‘get over it’ since Christians follow the Word of God and His Word says homosexuality is ‘unnatural’ and ‘an abomination’. And even if a person is not a Christian, they should not be forced by law to accept something that is obnoxious and disgusting to them. Homosexuals are delivered daily by the precious blood of Jesus in cities worldwide. Don't believe the lie that God would demand something of you that you couldn't do anything about.

[cachemachine]

@GAYPRIDE1985 Please show me in the bible where it says it ok for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman. Please show me in the bible where God intended marriage to be between a man and another man or 2 women.

I have read the bible through, still can't find it.

[GAYPRIDE1985]

@cachemachine Your Bible doesnt even say that its NOT ok for a man to lay with a man. The Bible has been translated from Hebrew and greek and those verses you hold so dear and use against my community have been mis interpreted. That is not what those verses are trying to say but the person who translated them had a bias. And even if it did, why should what YOU believe in the Bible affect MY LIFE and MY choices. If you feel gay marriage is wrong then don't have one, but in America I can choose

[j4270108]

@GAYPRIDE1985 You are right that you can choose. YOu have the right to sin. We all have been given the right to choose to strive to be like Christ, or choose our sins above Him. The Bible does indeed practicing homosexuality in the orginal hebrew and greek. There are people trying to be ravenous wolves in the pulpit to lead the flock to accept sin in the church by saying what you just said. God won't put up with sin. But these wolves are trying to change God's Word into saying it's ok. It's not.

[j4270108]

I made a typo on my previous posting where I said----

"The Bible does indeed practicing homosexuality in the orginal hebrew and greek."

I meant to say----

The Bible does indeed condemn practicing homosexuality in the orginal hebrew and greek. The bible says it's wrong in hebrew, greek, and in the translated to english versions. But there will always be people trying to world down His message.

[giramino]

@PhilosoFighter2012 Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. They are given over to their passions. That means that their spirits are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18). As a result, they fail to sense the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.

[PhilosoFighter2012]

@giramino This is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how much you quote from the Bible and try to justify hating and discriminating against homosexuals because the bible is not a reliable resource for any information. It is fiction. And outside of this fiction fantasy novel there is no reason, evidence or logical points that indicate that homosexuality is a condemnable act.

[giramino]

@PhilosoFighter2012 There’s no hate whatsoever in the video content or from any Christian, at least that I know. You seem to be confusing correction and the difference between good and evil and what you evidently perceive to be ‘hate’. And even if you would foolishly disregard the Bible declaration that homosexuality is ‘abnormal behavior’ would you not have to agree that you being a male and aroused by another male or female aroused by another female to be what is actually ‘ridiculous’?

[PhilosoFighter2012]

@giramino Yes homosexuality is abnormal. It is not the same as everyone. Getting a tattoo is abnormal to me, but I am not going to discriminate against people who have them. But is it hurting anyone? No. If you do believe in heaven, does someone else's homosexuality lessen your chances of getting there? No. Actually gay adoption is helping kids find a loving home. And don't come out and say kids need a mom and dad because there are an endless amount of ways a person can define a family.

[NicholasPOGM]

Why can't Christians simply sue the schools and homosexual entities because it's offensive? Do not the homosexuals do that against us and God's Word? Since it's on the books, why not use their success to be successful? Can we not use their recorded court cases to argue the same rights are applicable to us as well?

[Scanini]

Everything she said at the start i was like whats wrong with that?

This woman is a horrible hateful person, being gay is not a crime and a part of humanity, there are gay animals so its just nature.

People like this need locking up, they are an anchor to a modern society.

Stoning adulterers next!

[gilliamjf]

All this lesbian and gay baiting certainly makes the American Family Assn look irrational.

[ToxicOdiousOne]

A non hostile work environment for queers? Queers are not reasonable. Queers will request unreasonable burdensome requests that place an undue hardship on the employer. Queer lawywers will destroy businesses and cater to pedophiles.

[PRIDE365]

@ToxicOdiousOne Are you kidding me? Really gay and lesbian people are all pedophiles? You know that most people convicted of sex crimes aganst children are stright white males right? 

[CHRISTSmusiciansSEA]

NONE of your 10 million ancestors,

or anyone's 10 million ancestors,

ever made 1 baby, by homosexall

relations, or via the backside, "O".

Common sense. A "Homosex" Gene would DIE OUT. GONE "O"

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[georgezimmer]

this is the only infomercial i've ever watched to the end

[megansmoviereviews]

Christians aren't opposed to homosexuality because the Bible condemns it, but because they're sickened by the notion that THEY PERSONALLY would ever engage in a homosexual act, because they've been indoctrinated by family or members of their community to believe that there's something exceedingly wrong with it. The Bible says loads of things that are inapplicable to today's society. And the ex-gay movement is sick, encouraging perfectly normal people to endure decades of denial and humiliation.

[giramino]

The fact is, Christians are opposed to the sin of homosexuality because it is an 'abomination' to our Lord. Christians are sensitive to the desires of God. Our desire is to please Him and not 'necessarily' man, especially if a persons behavior is contrary to the written Word of God. Im sure that most Christians could not possibly care any less what a person does in the privacy of their home, unless he or she exploits their sin among our children or insult God, Whom we as Christians worship.

[ah93704]

@megansmoviereviews how would you know why Christians are opposed to homosexuality? You sound like a typical liberal pinhead. Why dont you go to a gay rights parade with the rest of the degenerates?

[rainbowx]

This is not Christian at all! Or at least as Christina as KKK is!

[giramino]

It's Christian in that the Bible teaches us that homosexuality is a sin. It's not KKK in that homosexuality does not have anything to do with a person's race. There are those in any number of races who commit this type of sin daily. It has to do with 'sin', not race or gender, and what God has declared unnatural and an abomination.

[Shubael1809]

@giramino There is a verse in Leviticus which call eating shellfish "an abomination". The Bible many times over condones and gives direction on how to treat one's slaves. Interesting you only focus on the homosexual references (few that there are). Christ himself never speaks of it once. I hope to Christ you've never eaten at The Red Lobster giramino .. if you have you be goin' south when you buy the farm! This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

[giramino]

@Shubael1809 Your point you’re attempting to make is very old and used many times by athiets, and especially homosexuals to attempt to justify their sins. Homosexuality was also mentioned several times in the New Testament. Briefly (please read a previous comment with full explanation) Jesus answered Paul concerning what to eat and declared ‘everything kosher’. Not a lot of space here but Old Testament references made due to the people of that time.

[giramino]

@Shubael1809 If you read and study the entire New Testament teachings on (eating, clothing, homosexuality, etc.) your questions will make a lot more sense to you. This is a limited space and to fully explain your question is like placing a gallon of water into a teaspoon in these small comment boxes. I hope this helps however. Main thing, read and study your entire New Testament.

[rmaynard626]

@Shubael1809 What does the old testament dietary law that were for the Jews applicable to this conversation???? When you take the Word of God out of context, you create a level of confusion to those who do not study the Bible. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Mekelsior]

evaku: the Christian faith seem illogial only to those that do not want to study it or look in to it. As it is with all cults and sects, as it is in Islam, they do not have permission to even study Christianity, so they in most cases argue out of ignorance. As do most atheists. Then we can ask the question wich relgion makes the most sense, atleast Christianity does not claim that we came from nothing because of nothing and have no purpose.

Jesus is winning alot of souls in muslim countries.

[Mekelsior]

evaku: as I have said, religion is a big problem, it is the opium of the masses. Religion does not save anyone, but Christianity is not about how religious you are, it is about your relation with God. Majority of those that claim to be christian are worshipping the religion and not God.

[Mekelsior]

evaku: Mankind has proven that we cannot and do not learn from our mistakes. How many wars have we had in this world? How many murders, how many thefts, how many abuses of women and children? We do not learn, that is the fact that we must accept. Jesus have offered us the only way out of our misery and that is to Accept Him as Lord and Saviour. Now the choise have been presented, it is either Life with Jesus or eternal death. God wants you to live not to die but He cannot and will not force you.

[TheOaksdonsad]

@Mekelsior interesting, god is supposed to be the omnipotent creator of the universe, but he CANNOT force one single insignificant (no offense) person to do something.

I wonder... Is Your God good and omnipotent?

[Mekelsior]

@TheOaksdonsad It is human nature to think that power is the ability to force another being to do something against their will. Truth is power is the ability to change someone gradually from doing evil to doing good, just as God is doing and has been doing for the past 6000 years. Why is there evil in the world? Because of individuals that refuse to listen to reason and do good, they are allowed to do evil so the world can see the consequences of our decisions. Cause and Effect.

[Mekelsior]

evaku: In the end, there will not be a single person alive in this earth that have not heard of Jesus Christ. So those that do not accept Jesus turns down life and embrace death, it is their choise and God have to respect their choise. If God says there is only one way, then there is only one way. If the BIble is correct then there is only Jesus. To argue against it is not logical.

[SaintJohn86]

Great video, this have motivated to do something, and I know Jesus is coming soon because Obama just signed a bill that makes June Gays, lesbians and transgenders month of celebration for them.

Keep up the good work,

GOD Bless.

[aeroldoth]

"I know Jesus is coming soon"

Of course. Just like the hundreds of generations before you. And just like them? You'll be wrong.

Free yourself of your mental delusions. Learn about the world around you and try to learn to love other people. A good person has no room in his heart for hate.

[SaintJohn86]

What is a good person? People always say be free but is not being able to chose what you want to believe; freedom. I choose to believe in Jesus and you may not that is your choice. The whole thing about America is that we are free to believe and stand up for what we believe in, right? It is funny, when a group of people believe in Jesus they are criminals but if the believe in anything else it is ok.

Also, just because Jesus has not come yet does not mean he is not coming.

[JoeyBoya]

HUH??? LOL hmm SaintJohn how old are you? Im betting 13? Well im in Naples FL and i have free plane tickets though North West Airlines let me know when you can do coffee and chat would love to talk to you in person!

[aeroldoth]

Indeed, I DO choose not to believe in Jesus. Why then are xians trying to pass laws as if I did? Why are xians trying to turn the US into a theocracy? Where is the respect for freedom there?

How can you complain of merely being called a criminal, when xians want to make gays criminals in truth?

As for Jesus returning "someday", learn from the Aztecs and Quetzalcoatl and Cortes. Or for a simpler example, Star Trek's "Devil's Due".

[JoeyBoya]

Great great video right? I bet this video has motivated you to do something like attacking gay people? Maybe condemn them? Hate them? Judge them? Force your lifestyle off on them? Beath them up? WOW none of that sounds christian at all!! Spread love not this crap

[SaintJohn86]

What are you taking about, I don't go around beating up gays or lesbians, and there are not that many cases of that happening first of all. Another thing is I do know there are many cases of blacks getting beat up though.

Also, Christians have been persecuted more than gays have can ever imagine, look that up instead of trying to falsely accuse someone learn your history and look at the people that are really persecuted for you say that you have suffered something.

[aeroldoth]

2007 FBI hate crime stats:

anti-black = 3500

anti-gay = 1500

anti-xian = 135

1) You are aware gays have been around a LOT longer than xians?

2) You are aware gays exist in every culture and xians do not?

3) You are aware that some countries carry the death penalty for being gay? I don't know of any for xianity.

In any case, global atrocities against gays and xians doesn't justify atrocities in the US.

You say you love freedom. Then let gays love our freedom too. Live and let live.

[giramino]

You have absolutely no choices or freedom to sin even if you wanted to in your little box he forced you to live your life in. There are no temptations from others because youre in this little box all by yourself. You would never have a choice to sin and therefore be assured of Heaven. Now let me ask you, is this really the kind of no choice existence you would approve of?

[giramino]

Since youre trapped inside this little box you cant steal from anyone and since youre alone all the time theres nobody you can tell a lie to. Hell feed you once a day that which he chooses to feed you. You have no choices of what to wear, what to eat, to sin or not sin, to love or not love. And lets say He had never required a blood sacrifice for sin in the Old Testament or New Testament and did not require the Blood of Jesus for the atonement of your sins. How could you sin anyway?

[giramino]

Let me attempt a different approach. I hope this will cause the 'light bulb' to come on for you: Lets say God makes a decision that as soon as you are born, He places you inside a little box. You will never have contact with friends or even family members who may influence you to sin. You can read nothing except for His Word, The Bible. There will be no television, movies, concerts or anything that would influence you to sin. You cant marry and therefore you will never commit adultery.

[giramino]

God has never and will never "send" anyone to hell. They go there by their own free will choice. He sent His Son Jesus so that they would avoid hell, but He won't make you accept His Salvation from hell if you choose not to accept it. Simply make the choice to accept His Gift of Salvation. It this really that difficult for you to understand?

[giramino]

But the fact is, you are not God.

[giramino]

God is indeed all powerful and He has sent His only begotten Son to be a sacrifice for the sins of all. That's not enough?

[giramino]

Hell was intended for satan, the devil and his followers, not anyone else! And He did stop people from ending up there by sending Jesus to take their place. I don't know why you can't seem to understand this.

[giramino]

The only other alternative is hell. Not by His choice, but the choice of person entering hell. God does not 'send' anyone to hell. They go there because there is sin in their lives and they dont have salvation though Jesus, Gods only begotten Son. He sent His Son to be the sacrifice and to bear the sins of all of us so that we would never have to be in hell. Is that any more clear?

[giramino]

He has already promised a place that is completely sin free. So if He allowed sin in, it would be unfair to those He promised by His own Word that they would be in paradise free from the influence of sin, sickness, hate, adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, etc. God would never under any circumstances break His promises to us. So by His own admission He cannot allow someone with sin to enter Heaven.

[giramino]

He will not force you to love Him and if you choose to be separated from Him in hell, He will be sad, but theres nothing He will do other than what Hes already done and that is, He sent His Son, Jesus to save us from hell. You simply accept the gift of salvation and you will not be in hell but forgiven of your sins and able to enter Heaven. Sin must be forgiven and cannot in fairness enter into Heaven which is perfect.

[giramino]

What I think you do not understand is the fact that God gave us all a free will to choose right from wrong. He teaches us through His Word what is right and what is wrong. If we choose wrong, then thats our choice, not His. And what kind of relationship with His creation would there be if He forced you to love Him. Thats why he gave man a free will and the ability to make his own choices. Of course He wants you to love Him because He loves you so very much.

[giramino]

Are you asking why God did not 'do more' than send His only begotten Son as a Sacrifice for the sins of the entire world and everyone in it? It is up to us and our children to accept His salvation. God has never, and will never 'send' anyone to hell. People make free will choices and end up there by their own choices.

[giramino]

God never intended for anyone to ever be in hell. It was created by Him for a final place to separate satan (lucifer, the devil) and his followers who were also thrown from Heaven from us. As it turns out, there are those who choose to follow the devil instead of God and they therefore end of with him instead of God. God has done everything He will ever do to keep us from hell by sending His only begotten Son, Jesus to save us from that place.

[giramino]

evaku2: Again, your personal inbox contains a large amount of information that should address your questions. Women were told not to speak out since they were interuping meetings. Also the chatter among women during meetings has nothing to do with women becoming ministers and teachers.

[giramino]

evaku2: You're asking for a gallon of water to be placed in a dinner spoon here in this message box so I sent you a detailed message in your personal inbox that should be clear I hope.

[zekester2]

Forgive Them Lord They No Not What They Speak. We know our Lord, God loves all his children equally, we worship and love him too. Please stop your, deceit, lies and misinfomation. I will pray for you, may God will forgive your fthis.

[adonai7651]

Dude... Chill out. Where is the HATE in anything I said??? That's like the Mantra So many people use against anything christian. "hate, hate, hate". Honestly bro i wish all the best for you i just wanted to give my opinion on the things you were saying. I enjoy free speech and so do you. Some people should just stop trying to take it away from others.

[adonai7651]

wow.. you're 42 year old.. i would think in 42 years you could come up with a better life philosophy than "When I do good, I feel good, when I do bad, I feel bad". and also Christianity isn't hurting anyone. Gays have all the rights of straights in california.. But for some reason they want to have the title of "marriage" also. The problem with it is if they get The title it will lead to discrimination on countless others.

[coolthomas2011]

How so? What discrimination will be impressed upon these "countless others"?

[JohnnyBB82]

How is that? In what way will gay marriage have any impact on straight people?

[adonai7651]

"When I do good, I feel good, when I do bad, I feel bad...........works for me :-)"... unfortunately it doesnt work like that, what happens with a Serial Killer...when he does bad he feels really, really good. Or on a less dramatic level a regular Joe Who likes to Drink a little too much... it feels good but it could kill him or even others. "There is no value in learning about hurting other people.".. we dont teach hurt, we teach love.

[giramino]

evaku2, God has never and will never 'send' anyone to hell. People end up there as a result of their own free will by choices they make. God has in fact done everything He will ever do to keep us from hell, but we must receive and accept His Gift of Salvation through His Son, Jesus.

[SawaneeKimbirli]

finally...someone who sees. I'm so glad you posted these videos. I pray God will grant you courage to stand up for your beliefs. Society is becoming very weak. Morality is too hard...so people give in and sin. I hate watching our country become Rome.

[The0Messenger]

Someone who actually loves Jesus back doesn't have to worry about it.

[giramino]

As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.

[giramino]

Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18).

[giramino]

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22. It is easy to understand why God would be so insulted with the blasphemy of something so important and sacred to Him. As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 20:13 also describes homosexuality as "an abomination".

[giramino]

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

[giramino]

One should never apologize to anyone for telling them the truth. I do however regret that the truth my offend someone. That unfortunately is sometimes unavoidable. Romans 1:26-27 is very specific, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections, for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

[The0Messenger]

They hate themselves because they know it is wrong. They should have quit trying. There ARE EX-gays. It like like quitting meth, just keep trying.

[The0Messenger]

God sent enough people to the lost. If they still choose to follow the ways of satan, they will go to hell. It really isn't that hard to understand.

[The0Messenger]

It is shameful that you can't bury your nose in the Bible and actually folllow it. Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them. Ephesians 5:11. Homosexuals are criminalizing christianity, and it is going to hit you in the face one day.

[Itchhhh]

These are TRULY the end days. These are the days where we get to chose what side of the ledger we want to fall on. We either chose to believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible or we chose not too. Either way, it's our choice to make and we get to reap the results.

Remember that at the end of the day their is good and their is evil. We get that same choice that Aam and Eve had too!

Good luck with your choice.

[fedupwiththeleft]

Is it just me or are radical homosexuals who refuse to believe in any way, shape, fashion, or form that their lifestyle could be wrong. They not only refuse to see that it is possible, but they are so trapped by the lies they have been fed, that they have even gone as far as to say the Bible supports their lifestyle. Probably the most amazing thing is they preach the most about tolerance & yet they are the most hateful of all.

[orlas121]

I prefer to leave the Judgement part up to God... though I am in support of freedom of speech....People should not be criminally prosecuted for saying their piece..do u have Judicial Review over there?... can you not challenge the legislation in the Supreme Court?

[knate08]

Oh my gosh, so Obama is going to try to make gay people *equal* to *us*? That's almost as bad as making black people equal to us!

/sarcasm

[tgoerie]

Sounds to me, like she is suffering from a severe pshychological disorder.

She could benefit from some diversity training.

[topbon2ndvalve]

I'm a Psychotherapist and can assure you that she does not have any observable aberration. Diversity awareness is a good thing, unless it's used to indoctrinate.

[nwaikikai]

"As a man thinks in his heart, so is he." Companies spend billions of dollars a year in advertising counting on the truth of this statement. There is profound truth in this thought-action connection also for the homosexual. Fundamentally, homosexuality is merely the product of a certain kind of thinking reinforced by the erroneous belief that there is no possible way to change it. If you believe you cannot change, you most certainly never will.

[RoseEEOE]

"believe you cannot change, you most certainly never will."

Your argument completely ignores the shocking regularity of homosexual instance across cultures, even those that often kill people suggested to be gay on the spot (even by their own parents). Not to mention the quite universal experience of homosexuals here in America. To even suggest that most of them hadn't spent years trying to change and hide those feelings is absurd.

You may not like the truth, but that doesn't change a thing.

[specifyparameters]

Well now, this program HAS motivated me!! But I'm a "homosexual activist".

[nwaikikai]

As I said, love isn't really the issue. Sexual practice is. Your confusion is in making your love for a woman a sexual thing. I don't doubt that your love for your friend is strong and committed. I don't object to that in the least. What I do object to is your expression of that love in a sexual way toward her. Doing so plainly goes against nature - whatever studies of animals you use to justify it.

[nwaikikai]

Now you're contradicting yourself. First you imply that homosexuality is unchangeable and then you say it is "fluid." Well, which is it?

The fact is, thought patterns can be changed relatively easily. I believe homosexuality is largely the consequence of a certain kind of thinking - thinking which, as many reformed homosexual's illustrate, can be altered.

[RoseEEOE]

"as many reformed homosexual's illustrate"

Its questionable if they have ever found even one exclusive homosexual that has changed their orientation even close to completely. You can kill off feelings for, and create aversions to, different groups/things, but developing the other attraction seems nearly impossible (more bisexual people have something to perhaps work with however).

[nwaikikai]

This statement merely illustrates how vital in your thinking it is that you believe you are powerless to be anything other than homosexual. If you aren't truly powerless to change, as a growing number of reformed homosexuals indicate, then the whole justification for homosexual behaviour crumbles.

[RoseEEOE]

You can't change many things, and for the very few that can make any real change, I would rather have the other millions not destroy their lives and the lives of those they were forced%

[RoseEEOE]

"as a growing number of reformed homosexuals indicate"

The only real number that is growing is the number of people that at some point say they are a "reformed homosexual." The number of ex-ex-gays (especially men) all but cancels this out though. If you consider Ex-gay ministries to be a success, then I can't imagine what you consider a failure.

BTW: I can probably find you many times more people that claim they are living gods for example (and, similarly, because of religious reasons).

[RoseEEOE]

Actually, I think it must be beamed directly to the brain (or perhaps even attached to a gay gene!). Even some gays in illiterate, fair secluded non-English cultures are to be said to be following "After the Ball" to a key.

[nwaikikai]

It couldn't possibly be attached to a "gay gene" since there is no such thing.

Actually, I think TV goes a long way toward inculcating the homosexual agenda into North American culture. I guess, in a way, this is a sort of "beaming into the brain directly," isn't it?

[RoseEEOE]

"It couldn't possibly be attached to a "gay gene" since there is no such thing"

Genes appear to play a quite significant role in the development of it, though not the only role.

"I guess, in a way, this is a sort of "beaming into the brain directly," isn't it?"

"TV goes a long way toward inculcating the homosexual agenda into North American culture"

Many things you claim to be a "gay agenda" exist everywhere, and for hundreds of years. Again, there is not some wierd consiracy.

[nwaikikai]

As you explain here, coming to love someone is a process. You choose whom you get to know. You choose to investigate a person's character and grow intimate with them. You choose to spend time and effort doing so. Eventually, these choices may lead you to love that person. If and when that love finally blossoms, however, it does so as a result of choices you make to allow it to do so.

[nwaikikai]

Deeply loving someone of the same sex isn't the problem. Having sex with that person is. I think nature itself tells you that your sexual interest in someone of the same sex is "confused." Simply by virtue of how you've been made, it is obvious that you were designed for heterosexual sex.

Your close-minded characterization of me cuts both ways. You have closed your mind to my perspective on sexuality just as I have to yours.

[RoseEEOE]

"Simply by virtue of how you've been made, it is obvious that you were designed for heterosexual sex."

Perhaps in physical body ... but you could make the same argument that it is obvious (looking at the brain, and not the body) that you are designed for homosexual relationships.

[nwaikikai]

I don't think so. Those studies which suggest that homosexuality is caused by brain chemistry and neural configuration put the cart before the horse. As far as I'm aware, these studies looked at people who were already homosexually-oriented. It is as (or perhaps more) likely that homosexual thinking produced the chemistry and neural shape of the homosexual's brain than that this chemistry and shape were pre-existing and caused homosexual thoughts.

[RoseEEOE]

"I don't think so. Those studies which suggest that homosexuality is caused by brain chemistry and neural configuration put the cart before the horse."

The brain differentiation come FAR before puberty (or even birth) in animals, and looks that way in humans as well. If you want to make this claim for homosexuals, you have to claim that all sexuality (perhaps even the drive itself) is absolutely nothing but a social construct (in humans, and probably even simple animals).

[nwaikikai]

How can one look for a "homosexual brain" configuration in someone who exhibits no homosexual tendencies? One can look into a homosexual's brain function only after they have begun to exhibit homosexual interest. Consequently, it is not possible merely by looking at the brain to determine if homosexuality is prompted by brain chemistry and neural configuration or vice versa.

[RoseEEOE]

Ever heard of MRI? There are plenty of non-invasive ways to look at the brain.

"possible merely by looking at the brain to determine if homosexuality is prompted by brain chemistry and neural configuration or vice versa"

Of course there is.

[nwaikikai]

My comments about the nature of love were in response to your remark about "falling in love" and that one does not choose with whom one "falls in love." I'm glad to know you understand that love endures even when feelings do not support it. Now if only you could clear up your confusion about expressing such love in a homosexual way...

Obviously, a homosexual marriage is fundamentally different from a heterosexual one. The ramifications of the difference to a society are significant.

[nwaikikai]

In the matter of marriage homosexuals seem to want to focus on their similarity to heterosexuals in what they feel for one another romantically. They seem to think that this similarity justifies the right to be married. The term "marriage," however, has never traditionally applied to homosexual unions. Marriage has always referred to the union of a man and a woman. Why should this change? Why is it necessary to alter the definition of marriage to accommodate homosexual unions?

[nwaikikai]

Preserving the traditional definition of marriage does not prevent from being in long-term monogamous relationships. Homosexuals can enter into legally-binding unions that confer certain rights and privileges similar to those of a heterosexual marriage upon those in the union. Why then do homosexuals persist in attempting to alter the traditional definition of marriage? The traditional importance of the term to heterosexuals is obvious but it is not for homosexuals.

[nwaikikai]

It seems that the primary reason homosexuals have been going after the marriage issue is because being included in the definition of marriage would greatly help to legitimize and normalize their sexuality in the culture. Removing as many distinctions as possible between heterosexual relationships and homosexual ones is important in getting the culture to accept homosexuality.

[RoseEEOE]

"Homosexuals can enter into legally-binding unions that confer certain rights and privileges similar to those of a heterosexual marriage upon those in the union."

Most of them can't, and even those that can have no federal rights and fewer state rights.

"Why then do homosexuals persist in attempting to alter the traditional definition of marriage?"

Allowing yet another group of couples does not "alter the tradition definition" of marriage. Hasn't in the past, won't now.

[nwaikikai]

Personally, I don't think homosexual marriage should ever be allowed. That homosexuals do not find the heterosexual majority eager to embrace their unnatural unions is not something I deplore.

Yes, homosexual "marriages" would alter the traditional understanding of what marriage is. It has always been that a man and woman marry. Same-sex relationships don't qualify under this circumstance any more than a man wanting to marry his horse or cat.

[RoseEEOE]

If you want to reduce human relationships to "relationships" with house pets (especially because of your personal discrepancy on the state of one of their (legal) physical state), then I think you have gone a bit off the deep end in your attempts to degrade these people. You are looking desperate.

[RoseEEOE]

"The traditional importance of the term to heterosexuals is obvious but it is not for homosexuals."

Most of them that want to get married are doing it FOR the sake of tradition (grew up wanting it, wanting that declaration of commitment) ... you are blowing out of proportion greatly one's (legal) gender.

[nwaikikai]

No, they are doing it mainly in an attempt to normalize their perversion in the culture. If all that a homosexual couple wants is "that declaration of commitment," it doesn't require being recognized as married to obtain it.

[RoseEEOE]

"No, they are doing it mainly in an attempt to normalize their perversion in the culture."

Perhaps a few, but most. Nope. I guarantee you that most of them just want to get married, for the same reasons anyone else wants to get married (and if you can't understand that, I don't even know why you care about this issue).

[nwaikikai]

I care about this issue because deforming the meaning of marriage to include homosexuality will ultimately destroy the culture.

[RoseEEOE]

"deforming the meaning of marriage to include homosexuality will ultimately destroy the culture."

Sensationalist fearmongering at best.

[nwaikikai]

Actually, history shows repeatedly that in cultures where homosexuality was normalized and became prevalent, the decline of that culture followed. This isn't to say that homosexuality alone caused the decline of these cultures, but that its prevalence in a culture typically heralded the eventual collapse of that culture. Rome is a relatively recent example.

[RoseEEOE]

Rome is really the only example they attempt to cite, but you can blame Christianity for the fall of that much more than homosexuality (though neither are the real cause). All the others I have seen seem so incredibly disjoint that you might as well blame any other random thing that may or may have not existed in that culture. This of course doesn't include the plenty of cultures that have "normalized" forms of homosexuality and still exist fine today.

It seems like a complete BS argument.

[nwaikikai]

Perhaps if you knew history better, you'd not make completely erroneous remarks about Christianity causing Rome's decline. It's so patently false that it almost makes me laugh to hear you make the suggestion.

Understand that I didn't blame the fall of Rome entirely on homosexuality. Homosexuality was more a symptom of decline than anything else. It did contribute to the collapse of the Roman culture, but it didn't, by itself cause it.

[RoseEEOE]

"It's so patently false that it almost makes me laugh to hear you make the suggestion."

Christianity easily cited as one of the possible main contributors to the fall of Rome (laugh as you like). Yes, general decadence is thought to have played a role as well, but to put homosexuality as at top factor in even that one category is misleading. If we were talking about the modern homosexual couple (and not just mindless orgies), its completely removed from the equation.

[RoseEEOE]

"in an attempt to normalize their perversion in the culture."

Let me ask you this then. Why does ANYONE get married? I am sure you can find plenty of homosexuals that want it for the same reason as a couple with an outward physical state you prefer. Again, you are putting broad stereotypes and weird paranoid theories upon probably the most disjoint and diverse minorities out there.

BTW: There is not some weird gay conspiracy out there they ALL just know about since childhood ...

[nwaikikai]

I agree with you that "bashing" others is wrong (or at least "stupid", as you put it). Disagreeing and doing so strongly, however, is often morally necessary. I hope you aren't confusing the two things; bashing and disagreeing aren't necessarily the same thing.

You're quite right that when free speech is removed from one group it is only a matter of time before it is removed from others. This is the great danger in attempting to mute anyone.

[nwaikikai]

Homosexuals are approaching muting Christians in an incremental fashion. But this is as slippery a slope as you will ever find. How much of free speech can be removed before it is too much? I say any restriction on free speech is too much. A fellow once said, "I may hate with all my heart the things you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say them." I agree with this fully. In a truly free society one must be at liberty to disagree with and, wrong as it is, even bash others.

[nwaikikai]

Do I still have freedom of speech? Only until the homosexual agenda succeeds in removing it from me! They have already made significant progress toward that end.

I don't hear people bashing gays all the time. In fact, for the most part, the subject of homosexuality doesn't enter into heterosexual conversation. Why should it?

I see and hear homosexuals bashing Christians and straight folk generally quite a lot. They are as much "heterophobic" as they claim we are "homophobic."

[nwaikikai]

Real love is more than just a strong feeling. Real love endures. It is a choice to remain loyal and committed even when one doesn't feel like doing so. If one "falls into" love, it is likely one day one will "fall out of" love, too.

Its a ridiculous thing to suggest that I or any other Christian "gets a kick" out of denying others sexual satisfaction. The issue isn't about "kicks" but about right and wrong, about preserving freedom of speech and the traditional definition of marriage.

[nwaikikai]

Homosexuals at present enjoy all the freedoms and rights that any heterosexual does. Rights isn't really the issue. Homosexuals want special protection and public approbation. However, rather than allowing the process of free speech and public debate to secure this for them (or not), they have resorted to intimidation and manipulation to gain their ends.

Christians do not ask for additional special rights. They ask only for the upholding of rights that are already theirs.

[RoseEEOE]

"Christians do not ask for additional special rights. They ask only for the upholding of rights that are already theirs."

The actually already have all of the "special" rights you don't want gay people and their families to share.

[nwaikikai]

Inasmuch as I was talking about preserving the Christian's freedom to speak against homosexuality, your remark is rather off point. Homosexual's want Christians muted while they mount vicious verbal attacks against Christians constantly. If homosexuals achieve legal protection for this double standard, the culture will have stepped completely onto a very slippery slope.

[RoseEEOE]

"Homosexual's want Christians muted while they mount vicious verbal attacks against Christians constantly."

Umm ... I have rarely ever heard "verbal attacks" from them that are not in response from attacks started by others. People are allowed to defend themselves in America.

[nwaikikai]

Yes, including Christians.

[nwaikikai]

While there may be environmental factors and forces of temperament that may help to predispose a person to homosexuality, engaging in same-sex acts is most certainly and fundamentally a choice!

Also, the homosexual community is pressing for profound infringement of the Christian's right to freedom of speech and to believe as they wish. Rather than allowing free debate about homosexuality, homosexuals are trying at every turn to mute those who would criticize them.

[ViciousAnimus]

Homosexuality is as much as a choice as choosing a religion. There is no proof of a homosexual gene and in all honesty, as I predicted, that excuse of genetics as hurt homosexuals more than given them greater tolerance. The problem here is homosexuals--with an agenda and like radical feminist--want special rights to force people to approve of them no matter what anyone else believes. This is unconstitutional and above all, hypocritical. You don't gain respect by spitting on peoples' rights.

[RoseEEOE]

"There is no proof of a homosexual gene"

Its actually more genetic than height ... and it has been shown pre-natal hormone levels to be FAR more influential on developing the homosexual brain than genetics. Even if it is not inborn, that hardly suggests possibility of any real change (there brains are about as physically different to their straight counterparts as yours is to opposite sex heterosexuals).