I think this song is so beautiful and heartbreaking, but I'm sorry; I can't stand the last verse with the Stephen Hawking bit. It confuses and creeps me out.
J.K Rowling announced a while back that if Snape hadn't been interested in the Dark arts then she would have loved him romantically and married him but she didn't feel he was safe to raise a family with and didn't want to risk that. :( Poor Snape <3 R.I.P forever..I still feel empty from your loss :(
I just discovered WRock and it's awesome! Only Oliver Boyd and The Remembralls, Let's Lumos! and The Weasel King gave me eargasms. They have this stylish, heart-felt sound and lyrics that sets them apart from other pop and generic sounding WRock bands; their music definitely casts a charm.
I LOVE what it's saying and all but the computerized voice just doesn't sound right, they should have done what they did in "The Last Call" when he was talking, cus that would have sounded really awesome :) Anyways I love this song HEAPSS!!! :D <33
This song is perfect and from the wrotes to the music. The chilling element really expresses the tone of Deathly Hallows to me. Everyone in the book had to rely on someone to be their strong crutch to get them through Voldie's dark reign. This song expresses this so well its hauntingly beautiful and simple. Perfection is the only word I can think of. I hope one day J.K. and some of the cast will hear this song. I have a feeling they would be moved.
This is the first wrock song my boyfriend ever liked and it got him into the wrock fandom. He still doesn't like all of the music but he really enjoys Oliver Boyd and he thinks he's really talented. Personally I love this song. I must have played it on my playlist over 500 times lol and I've only gotta into wrock in 2010.
I love all the wrock artist but Oliver Boyd's music honestly could have been put in to the movie soundtrack. His understanding of character emotions is unmatched.
Such an amazing song. It truly brings some light into the dark character of Snape. Despite the bitterness I feel towards him, I also feel very sorry for him. Listening to this song makes me tear up knowing how much Snape loved and cared for Lilly. He is one character who truly deserved a second chance but unfortunately could not get one.
people, stop arguing over snape and james.. sure snape liked Lily and so did james, but Lily chose James for some reason, so James must be good at some point? so he bullied snape, he was just jealous of what snape had with lily.. i'm not saying that james wasn't stupid, he was.. and Snape did a lot of crap but in the end he was a good guy right? i don't know if i made sense but just stop arguing over their Love triangle thingy ... just listen to the damn song!
@MysteriousMomo I agree. My best friend and I had to make an agreement not to talk about it because we have opposite opinions and always get into an argument.
@xxSnapexLoverxx exactly, there will always be one who have another opinion than your self, and you got to live with it, or else you will always get into a argument.
Snape was a qualified wizard when he joined Voldy. I'm arguing only that James and Lily were meant to be.xD
I don't dislike Snape, I just think that its silly that every love song about Snape and Lily makes every one hate James. Thats all, I mean obviously Lily fell for James for a reason.
Snape the teacher gets some slack from me because he never wanted to b a teacher in the first place. He was there on voldy's orders to spy on albus. Then there is the fact that he was a spy, and he couldn't have draco run home to tell daddy that snape liked harry. Now, I do not think that is the only reason Snape was cruel, to harry at least. Obviously snape disliked harry because of his appearance and his assumptions about him, but i think being a spy had a little bit to do with his cruelty
@espo221b When are you going to hold Snape responsible for any thing he's done? James insulted Snape. SNAPE BLOODY KILLED PEOPLE. Yes he was sorry but his mistakes where still much worse then James. Snape didn't want to be a teacher, but he chose to do so by obeying orders. He might have hated it but it /was/ his job. Snape was much meaner to Harry then he ought to have ever been. On the first day of school he picked on 11-12 year olds. At least James picked on someone his own size. ^.^
Filling in the blanks can be tough, but I always assumed James bullied Snape because he was friends with Lily, and James was jealous. After Snape and Lily had their falling out, James might have backed off Snape and maybe that's what everyone saw as his big "change" because wat else really could have changed about him? It is a sketchy area because we have so little information about James, and I could be completely wrong, but all we have are our judgments, even if they are a little harsh ;)
@espo221b Your giving James no credit for any thing he's done and thats not fair. Perhaps James finally realized how much a prat he had been, perhaps he really was sorry. 'What else could have really changed about him' Gosh, Snape can go from bad to good with no contradiction from you but James who was 15 when he made his mistakes has to have other motives but to get Lily? I don't believe James ever realized he had enough power to hurt any one. Or at least not really.
@SiriusSurvives I know the mistakes snape made were worse etc, I'm arguing that James isn't as 'good' as everyone thinks he was. I'm not ignoring Snape's faults, he has plenty of them, I'm just backing up my argument. Plus James never fought Snape unless he had Sirius backing him up, so I don't think you can say he picked on someone his own size. And u say James was only 15 when he made his mistakes, but Snape was that age or younger when the deatheaters began recruiting him.
You can understand that Snape was hurt as a kid, so can I. A lot of people are hurt as kids and some go bad. Others are perfectly fine, it depends on how strong the person is. In the end Snape chose good. James was never half as bad. And like I said I don't hate Snape but Lily fell in love with James.
And matters of the heart don't follow logic or sympathy.
I dunno if James changed just for Lily though, I think that James grew out of his bullying attitude. James was a kid when he made his mistakes Snape and adult. Big differences their.
Now I love Snape I never meant to be anti-Snape. My only beef with him was he never forgave, not Sirius not himself. I mean..? ANd Lily and James were meant to be- Snape and Lily were never meant to be anything more then friends.
He had good in him. Other people argue differently, but I think he was very unselfish. He did not expect any reward for his actions. He did not expect Lily to suddenly run to him after he changed sides. His actions put himself in great danger for no reason other then to allow the woman he loved to live a life without him. Plus the fact that he was able to completely devote himself to the good side makes me believe he never had a strong connection to the dark side in the first place.
@espo221b Again I never said he hadn't good in him. I only argue that James wasn't half as bad; Its like stealing a car and taking a piece of candy. Both crimes, but much different meanings. Snape did act unselfishly and he did change, but when Lily knew him he was a jerk. Their is no denying it, Lily was already married by the time Snape straightened up. You seem to forget, killing a person is killing a person if you mean it or not. You could argue that for any death eater not exclusivly snape!
@SiriusSurvives I can't really blame Snape for not forgiving Sirius because like I said before; He tried to kill him! I don't think I would ever forgive someone for trying to kill me. Would you? How Sirius wasn't expelled from Hogwarts for that stunt still confuses me. I mean come on, if any student in any school pulled a prank that could have resulted in the death of another student they would be expelled.
But even if you did disregard the Lupin prank, Sirius never apologized to Snape either.
@espo221b Your making in sound as if Snape had been totally innocent their. Snape chose to get out of bed past hours and follow Sirius' instructions. If you had a worst enemy would you be so keen to follow what they say? When i said Snape never forgave Sirius I don't mean regarding the Lupin Prank or even their childhood grudge, I mean that Snape thought Sirius betrayed James and Lily even though he knew it wasn't true I think he still let him self believe it was.
@SiriusSurvives Maybe I'm just biased against bullies, being bullied myself. Someone who would embarrass a person so badly as to expose their underwear to the entire school would never be seen as a good person by the one being bullied. Maybe it was easy for James to forget and move on, but it would have been much more difficult for Severus. The apology would have had to come from James or Sirius first.
@espo221b We know so little about James. I don't think its fair for harsh judgements to be made about him. We also know everything about James from Snape's side; How fair is that? You can be as biased as you want about James but James never went around killing those he didn't like. He dealt with his anger, he grew up. Every one has been bullied, but normally the bully isn't an awful person just someone whose irritated and taking anger out on someone else. Snape as much of a bully as well.
@espo221b Snape's only difference was, is that he was a teacher. Oh yes maybe he was doing it because he was traumatized as a child, that sure doesn't make him innocent. Opinions make the book, you can't argue Harry Potter on only facts because we have to guess on the characters thoughts and feelings. No one ever explained James to us only Snape. I don't mean Snape saying sorry. I mean Snape trying his best to get Sirius killed without knowing his full story.
I don't see why Severus should have apologized to Sirius at all, unless it was for his part in James' death.(which Sirius didn't know about) Everyone believed Sirius to be a murderer. That wasn't only Snape's assumption.
I think you are playing the 'what if' game now. "What if Lily was never threatened?" I don't know what would have happened. It is only my guess that Snape would have changed eventually, just like it is only your guess that James didn't change only for Lily. Its all our opinions.
I like Snape better because I understand him.I don't understand James.Snape was hurt by people his entire young life, so he lashed out. I get that. I can forgive that because I know how much he paid for his mistakes. He sacrificed his entire life to make up for his mistakes. With James you have a rich, spoiled kid who saw something he wanted in Lily that he couldn't have, so he lashed out at Snape.You say he changed, but I think if he really did changed that much, he would've apologized to Snape
And this is where the random stranger interjects into the random argument that everyone can bicker as much as they want but I am crying. Like, *buckets or bawls* cuz this is heartbreaking.
But eventually Snape DID know better.You make it sound like he never came to the good side.Like James changed for Lily, so did Snape, the difference was their timing.Snape always had terrible timing.(And of course the magnitude of their mistakes was different) I think what I like most about Snape is that he never forgave himself, or felt he could make amends for his part in Lily's death. He never made excuses either. He truly regretted what he had been. I think thats why the pain never went away
You can say he should get over it, but he was only 15 when Lily broke it off with him and 17 when he became a death eater.He wasn't wise enough, or strong enough to overcome his life obstacles then.
But, in a way he did “moved on” from Lily eventually. When Albus tells him Harry must die in order to kill Voldy, he had to do something that would NOT be for Lily’s sake, but for the world's sake. His mission was always to protect Harry, but he knew Harry dieing had to be done for good to prevail.
@espo221b 2 years. A relationship that was never? Safe to say Snape joined the Dark Lord under other intentions.
"After all this time?"
"Always"
Snape knew that Harry had to die. But he was still offended by it remember? Snape also knew that Harry (Like his dad) would have it no other way. Moving on would require Snape to love someone new. Not allow him to let Lily's son sacrifice himself a sacrifice that Lily and James would approve of. And most certainly do themselves.
@SiriusSurvives I know it wasn't just Lily's 'breakup' that made him join the dark lord. Their breakup probably wasn't even a reason he joined, but I think he could have turned good sooner if she would have stuck it out with him. I guess more then proving he "moved on" from Lily, Snape allowing Harry to die is more proof to me that he would've eventually seen the light without Lily's threat. Protecting Harry for years just to learn he had to die anyway could've been a reason to become a DE again
I think James would have thought of himself better than more than just Snape before he changed. I don't see any evidence that says otherwise. He was probably friends with Pettigrew in the first place because he knew Pettigrew would hero worship him to death. From what we saw in Snape's memories, he definitely didn't befriend Pettigrew for his sharp wit and great talents. I think he would have thought himself better then Pettigrew. (He would be right of course, but that's not the point :))
At the point in Snape's life when he told Lily being a mudblood doesn't make any difference, I think he meant what he said. Obviously his view of the world changed in Hogwarts (Other people's influence) and he changed for the worse. He never called another person a mudblood after he called Lily one, and I think its because he knew it was wrong. He never hated her, and I don't think he ever meant to say it to her, he was in the heat of the moment and it slipped. I really think she over-reacted.
@espo221b Mudblood was a term for Death Eaters to use, it basically meant at that time that whoever said it was going to work with Voldy. Mudblood was a very offensive word more so then modern swear words. Calling Lily that tipped a scale that had been almost tipped for a long time. Unfair- no evidence to support that. Plus when did you have to have a motive to have a friend? James just proves he was a bit confused on Slytherins but their is only one Slytherin that hated their guts.
@SiriusSurvives I feel that when tempers flair and you lash out at someone you do not say what is really on your mind, instead you say what you know would be most hurtful. The expression; 'never attack in anger' perfectly sums up that you are not thinking rationally when you are angry. Snape calling Lily a mudblood was a mistake. But, using that word doesn't mean you are going to work with voldy. If I use a racial slur that doesn't mean I'm going to join the KKK does it?
@espo221b But that doesn't mean you weren't thinking it. When you yell at someone you tend to say what your thinking at the time- perhaps you never thought it would hurt them in the way it did perhaps not. Snape was angry and frustrated but he had no reason to attack Lily. Sure he was under pressure but thats a bad excuse. Now a days no it doesn't but their was a time when using a racial slur said you were against them and supported the KKK. Times change of course and meanings of words change.
@SiriusSurvives Lily's anger was understandable, but to give up on Snape that quickly doesn't seem right to me. Yes, she saw that he was heading toward becoming a deatheater, but look what happened, Snape eventually does change! I think she gave up too soon on him. With James there is no proof that only one Slytherin hated him either. We don't know much about James, but I can see James enjoying the attention Peter gave him. We choose our friends. James chose Peter for a reason, don't you think?
@espo221b Lily and Snape were childhood friends, they had very little in common and they really had no reason to stay friends. Lily saw Snape becoming some one awful and she said 'You know what, no.' Snape had made his choices and Lily learned to accept that. How much harder would the whole thing have been if Snape and Lily had been friends when Snape joined voldy? And you know he would have, it took Lily's death to make Snape see how evil the man he worked for was. Peter. Was a bad choice.
@SiriusSurvives Snape was 17 when he joined voldy, and 20 when he changed sides. He was hardly an adult. It didn't take Lily's death for Snape to turn sides, it was after she was threatened. Now we get to the million dollar question: Would Snape have changed sides if Lily wasn't threatened? It is difficult to say because it is unlikely that the war would have ended without her being threatened, so he would eventually have changed. I would like to believe he would have changed either way.
@espo221b Legally he was an adult, and supposed to be able to make decisions. You can argue all you want about that but Snape was an adult thats a fact. Your right it was after Lily was threatened, I'm sorry. However I'm confused why would the war not ending make Snape go to the good side? If lets say Lily was never threatened, I think Snape would have been with the Dark Lord much longer. Maybe not forever but he still would have probably been much older.
@espo221b Why does James have to have a motive to befriend Peter? I mean honestly, it doesn't make any sense. Do you have a well thought out reason for each of your friends? I disagree, again it took Voldy threatening Lily for him to turn good, do you think he would have noticed as quickly if Lily had never been threatened? Snape allowed Harry die because he had too! He knew thats what Lily and James would want their son to do and he knew Harry would want the same.
You join the Dark Lord to be a part of something powerful and elite, that's true. But isn't it possible Snape would want to be part of something like that because he had always been the loser all his life? Maybe he just got tired of losing all the time? Maybe he got tired of never being good enough for anyone? Taking over the world must have sounded like a great idea because he hated the way the world was in the first place. All of his anger stems from somewhere.
Trying to switch James and Snape's situation is stupid, I'll give you that, but what I'm getting at is Snape always seemed to get the short end of the stick. I'm trying to find what Snape's motives could have been for his actions, not looking for excuses. He was a young man making decisions he wasn't equip to handle. Yes Harry turned out alright, but I think its safe to say he was an anomaly. How many people do you think would turn out just fine after living in a cupboard for 11 years? ;)
@espo221b Harry? I think its safe to say thats proof he had personality, and a strong head. Firstly not fair, I don't know any one else who lived under a cupboard for 10 years. xD I'm still going to play the, 'But Snape knew better' card. Every ones anger stems from some were. Snape probably should be introduced to Mr.Rogers and learn how to deal with anger. Hit a pillow don't join the Dark Lord! Lily's point was that for it to 'Slip out' he had to be thinking it and thats almost as bad.
@SiriusSurvives I don't COMPLETELY blame anyone for Snape's poor decisions. I know it is his own choice, but I don't think you can say that there was NO outside influence that factored into his decision. The fact that he can be influenced so greatly by other people shows he was weak. I'm not arguing that he wasn't weak, but what made him weak? Lack of good parenting? Lack of love shown to him? Some people are more to blame then others obviously, and none more then Snape, but others are to blame.
@espo221b No your right Snape did have it pretty rotten, I'm not denying that. Just as you said, he is to blame for his choices. Influence only gets you so far, then you act on it and thats were things get ugly.Snape wasn't forced to do what he did, he did it out of his own free will. Well thank you. ^.^ Yes Snape did get the short end of the stick, but I mean look around. Thats just a little bit of a head start, a long stick won't get any one anywhere its the motive to run and work.
like looks and money then he could have been great, Snape was smart and creative. Instead he chose all the wrong friends (Who are more to blame then Lily or James) and he made all the wrong choices, until he made one right to protect Lily and her son.One choice doesn't erase a lifetime of bad ones. Snape was good but not always. James got better quicker, and James won Lily's heart. Lily who never loved Snape that way any way- Lily and James loved each other. With Snape the feeling was one way.
He never believed it though. Never. Here you are blaming every one but Snape for his choices, you eve heard off free will? Its like saying, "Oh yeah I did rob a bank but see- I don't have any money and my parents don't love me and I was told to. Really I'm good though. But yeah I did know that it was a bad thing to do do." You still robbed the bank. Your still worse then the jerk who wasn't nice to you in school. All the things you say are true. But if you can rise above petty things
What I am trying, and probably failing, to say is it is hard for me to blame only Snape for the mistakes he made when his life was SO sad. Snape had a hard life. Terrible childhood, dirt poor, ugly, bullied etc. James on the other hand had the exact opposite life. Spoiled, rich, good looking, and arrogant. There was nothing complicated about James' life. For Snape there were plenty of reasons to turn bad, and I give him all the credit in the world for deciding to turn good in the end.
We are all influenced by other people.Even James grew up worshiping Gryfindor because his family was all in that house.That's what makes Snape's life so tragic for me. He knew what the right thing was (He told Lily it didn't make any difference being muggle born) But he allowed peer pressure to get to him. He didn't follow what he knew was right, instead followed what those closest to him (other slytherins) wanted. He made a lot of mistakes, and spent his entire life trying to right those wrongs
@espo221b We are, but people over come things all the time. Some don't yes but having ideal living situations doesn't make you. What makes you is how you respond to such a situation. Harry responded with love, Snape and Tom with have. Putting James in Snapes situation is pointless. We don't know how James would react then, but we do know James never thought himself better then any one. Any one but Snape. And isn't their an exception to every rule? He did tell Lily it no no difference true.
You can say Snape should get over it, but it's easier said then done. Snape loved Lily from the moment he saw her until the day he died. He never told her, which is his own fault, but what does that say about Lily who never realized his love for her? It couldn't have been easy for a Slytherin to be best friends with a Gryfindor, but Snape never wanted to end their friendship. It was Lily who gave up on him. It wasn't only Snape's own actions that made him a deatheater. No one was innocent.
@espo221b Snape never wanted to hurt Lily when he called her a mudblood thats true but I think Lily knew he meant it. After watching him call her friends mudbloods and always defending him, she felt betrayed. The friendship had already been rocky as Lily knew that Snape was going to be a Death Eater and she knew she couldn't stop him. (She couldn't you know that, if your suggesting that he could have them you missed that she had been trying-always) Snape was brave- yes but not always.
@espo221b Yes, your right easier said then done. But holding on so long to something that wasn't ever killed Snape inside. You know as well as I do that doing such a thing can destroy a person. It destroyed and saved him, he should have been able to get over her you don't hold on that long! Hah, your blaming Lily? He's old best friend? You've never had a friend your no longer friends with due to the choices that they made? Never...? Lily couldn't have stopped Snape, it would never have happened.
After all Severus was willing to watch Remus and Sirius die. Severus did have a heart and the end he did chose what was right, but I do think he was worse then James.
but he didn't, partly I think because he could never forgive himself for being part of Lily's death and partly because he didn't /want/ to move on. Fair, Snape did go good before You-Know-Who's downfall. This means he was in league with Regulus their, he found out good and evil and acted on what his heart told him to do. Something I think he had been hesitant on ever since Lily and him stopped being friends. Snape never did say he'd watch James die I assumed. (Unfairly?)
Malfoy I don't think ever /really/ would have been a Death Eater if him mum hadn't been threatened. Snape joined completely with free will, Now maybe he did want out as soon as he got in but he didn't. He wasn't even really as brave as Regulus up until Lily was threatened. I am in no way saying Snape is evil, but he was hardly as great as some people make him out to be. Snape was good, but hardly. Snape is weak their. He should have been able to get over Lily who never loved him that way anyway.
@SiriusSurvives when i said snape's situation was like malfoy's, I meant in the way that they both got into something they thought was one thing, and turned out to be another. If you asked Draco if he wanted to be a deatheater in books 1-4 I think he would have said yes. He looked up to his father, and was proud to be a Malfoy until he got to see firsthand the kind of things being a deatheater meant.
@espo221b Perhaps, but I think that even if the two had similar stories that their was still a pretty large difference for the two. Snape became a pretty trusted Death Eater and Draco was just a toy. Snape never said he regretted going to the Dark Lord (again) until Lily was threatened that makes me believe that Snape would still be a Death Eater if not for Lily, perhaps I'm wrong and good did conquer in the end but how good was he? I mean really, their is a pretty fine line between good and bad
I think it's important to remember that Snape turned to the good side before Lily's death. Her being threatened was the jolt he needed, but he turned spy long before she died. I really believe her death was not the only thing he regretted in his life. I think he had enough good in him to feel remorse. But of course, it is all only my opinion on things. I can't back any of those claims up with proof. (I want that prequel) BTW They really need to allow more then 500 characters on each post =)
No matter which side would have won, Snape would have been just as lonely and just as miserable, so he decided it was easier for himself to stick it out with the winning side, not caring how evil it was. Lily was the person who made him care. Being the only person he ever loved, (And maybe the only person who ever loved him) she gave him a reason to do the right thing. It was Voldemort's threat on her who made him brave and decide he didn't want to be a deatheater.
So I guess I agree with you when you say Snape is evil because he knows what he is doing is wrong, but does it anyway. He put his own life ahead of the muggles and wizards that were being killed by Voldy and the deatheaters. Snape was never the nicest guy in the world, and there is enough bad in him that he would decide to stay on the winning side as long as it meant he himself would live. At that point in his life, I don't think it even mattered to him which side he was on.
in what he did. If Snape ever regretted anything it was that he was partly to blame for Lily's death, not that he never allowed himself to forgive and forget.
@SiriusSurvives I don't think as many people would have followed Voldy (Example:RAB,Lucious,&Snape)if he would have advertised the life of a death eater as one that would involve torture, and/or death to themselves and their families if they failed the tasks given to them. The life of a deatheater wasn't as glorious as advertised. I think Snape's feelings could've been similar to Draco's in that being a DE didn't turn out to be all of what he thought it would be, but it was too late to get out
@espo221b No-- I don't believe so, but sort of though I think they still would have. They believed that once they took over the world things would get better they would be 'rewarded' for their efforts, the only thing that lost Voldy any supporters on was the fact that he had no compassion at all. So when confronted with 'Please, spare her-- Let me find him!' he merely laughed. Voldy believed himself invincible that was his downfall. Snape was not forced to join the Dark Lord Malfoy was.
You have to know that out of /all/ the 'good' out their he only hated 4. Out of all the muggles out their he only hated two. If he had allowed himself he would have noticed that people were dying, and all for a petty reason, (His bloods not as good as mine) Perhaps Snape never believed in the cause but rather reveled in the attention, but that makes him no less evil then those that believed that their blood was best. Snape set himself apart, when Lily was threatened not because he saw the errors
Gosh I hate Peter. *Shudders* Who I can find nothing decent about no matter how I try. Even their James was just totally ignorant to the fact that one of his buddies was betraying him, when it was suggested he just wouldn't here of it. Snape knew what was right deep down always I believe, so I can't believe he was making stupid mistakes because he knew no better. What you said is fair but not reasonable, Snape may have let himself believe what you said his dad was bad and the marauders were bad.
I suppose, but for some reason I don't really think Sirius understood his actions. He had been with Remus many a night when he was a werewolf and had cheated death tons of times in his head it was all for laughs. Where I am almost positive Snape understood that death was permanent and the dementors kiss was the worst way to go. Again fair, Snape did believe that but so did everyone, Snape merely didn't want to know the truth he wanted Sirius to die and he didn't want to admit he could be wrong.
I'm afraid I forgot the real reason I was here in the first place while debating back and forth. Oliver Boyd and the Remembralls are right up there with Ministry of Magic as my favorite Wizard Rock band.
On the flip-side,the "bad side" was made up of people from his own house who didn't ridicule him or despise him because of "the fact he exists".It couldn't have been easy for Snape to see the mistakes he was making, especially after Lily cut all ties with him. After that there was no one there to stop him from falling right into Voldemort's lap.Snape must have been the perfect target for Voldy. He was someone who craved power and respect but never had it & someone with no one who cared about him
He was also willing to ruin Remus' career just because over 10 years ago they were enemies. I mean really?? Both went through a spell were they were bad (Though different sorts of bad) Both got better. Only difference, James never killed Snape, or any one who wasn't threatening his life, Snape killed who ever got in the Dark Lords way and for 3(?) years he didn't regret a thing, not until Lily was threatened. Sorry I repeated myself a tad. ^.^
@SiriusSurvives And you are right. Obviously Snape made all the wrong choices in his life, and James made all of the right (except for trusting Pettigrew) But it is the reasons for their choices that I find interesting.I don't think Snape made the wrong choices because he was evil. I think it was because he was misguided and didn't get to see the "good side" as we see it. In Snape's world the good side was the Marauders and the muggles (his father) and there was nothing good about either of them
James we know very little about, you know he got considerably nicer his 6th year and dated Lily the 7th. Lily who was very good at reading personalities, (Knew their was no stopping Snape and that Avery was bad news) fell in love with the previous bully she hated. James went through a major personality change for Lily, Snape didn't know how wrong he was until Lily's life was threatened. Snape we know more about, first he was willing to let Sirius die with out knowing the full story.
@SiriusSurvives Good points but I still have more for you ;)
I let Snape slide with the whole 'kill Sirius' thing because Sirius tried to kill him first. From Snape's point of view Sirius was always a killer, and not one to be trusted. Not to mention Snape believed Sirius was the one who betrayed Lily to Voldemort so Sirius was lucky Snape didn't just kill him on the spot. And you can't discount the fact that Snape made Lupin's potion for him every full moon and didn't poison it once :)
Or you can say 'Snape never allowed himself to pick a side.' James saved Snape because it was the right thing to do. Its like a Draco and Harry relationship. Draco never really wanted Harry to die did he? And Harry never wanted Draco to die, sure they'll never like each other but they both let it go. Snape however; admitted he would gladly watch James his wife and his kid die, so long as the wife wasn't Lily. Even then he didn't understand why Lily didn't 'step aside. James gave his life.
@SiriusSurvives Going back to an earlier comment you made; i don't think Snape ever actually said he would gladly watch James and his family die if Lily wasn't his wife. Snape asked Dumbledore to protect Lily and Dumbledore got angry, saying Snape didn't care about her family. But it was all Dumbledore's assumption. Snape quickly agreed that Dumbledore should hide her whole family from Voldemort. So yes, he only cared for Lily, but he didn't say he wanted James dead, at least i don't think so...
@espo221b I hope you dont mean he was all evil, I mean he was a complex character, he made a huge mistake. He went over to the "winning" side. But He couldnt be truly evil if he was capable of atleast some remorse, some love. The fact that HE took part in killing Lilly destroyed him. Although he says its fine to kill the rest of her family, again we see the true spark of bad. But we know he doesnt care. After that night I honestly think he had changed, even if he was miserable the..
@kelseyhm They meant evil in the retrospect that he knowingly joined the dark Lord aware of what that meant. It was in response to something I said. ^.^
@SiriusSurvives ah ok..I didnt read that part of the comments :L , I read yours.
You mean he was worse then James according to choices he made right? The people he chose, his type of evil was worse than just picking on someone although I always felt bad for him. :D
@SiriusSurvives If James had been less of a prat to Snape at school, maybe he would have had less of a reason to turn to the dark side.If it was so obvious to everyone that Snape and most of the Slytherins were going to follow Voldemort, why didn't anyone try to intervene and help the students see the mistakes they were making? Lily chose James after she broke all ties with her "best friend" but what kind of "best friend" abandons their friend to the life of a death eater just because of a word?
@espo221b No, you don't join the Dark Lord because some one was mean to you in school. You join the Dark Lord to be part of something powerful and elite. Some thing they thought would win, and take over the world and it nearly did. You don't typically have best friends for life, and thats a fact. Lily didn't think that Snape really loved her, Lily was feeling used and bitter. What sort of best friends talks trash about all Muggleborn wizards (When your one!)
Yes, ultimately it was Snape's choice to turn deatheater, but look at Voldemort's life. How different would Tom Riddle's life had been if he was shown love as a child and not abandoned by his father and brought up in an orphanage? I don't think you give enough credit to the effect that other people have on our lives. Look at Harry for instance. If Ron hadn't told him Slytherin was full of evil gits and the hat wanted to put him into Slytherin, we might have a very different story on our hands.
@espo221b Playing the what if game is a scary game to play, you can blame their life situations but then I get to say look at Harry. He had a very similar life to the both of them. No one cared for him from ages 1-11 but he only found himself at Hogwarts. He was a true Gryffindor (He pulled the sword from the hat didn't he?) Snape had a mum and a best friend and still he went dark. Tom's mom made awful choices but blaming her is hardly fair and every one knew the father never cared.
@espo221b rest of his life. But I dont think even I could be nice to harry if I was infact snape, The one person I loved was killed by my doing, and the fact that Lilly chose James over him staring him in the face through Harry everyday of his life. The reminder that he lost, that Snape wasnt good enough, and never would be, for Lilly. :( But Im quite glad he had to live with it the rest of his life, it was his choice, and maybe he could at last see the error of his ways.
Hmm, fair. Big difference here though, Snape /killed/ muggleborns and muggles. James was a prat to Snape, and perhaps all Slytherins but I'm leaning towards more against Snape. Jk Rowling has already said a bit of the reason James hated Snape so was that he saw Snape with Lily and he was jealous. You can say he was 'Good' in the end, but when Lily said basically, 'Are you aiming to be a Death Eater' Snape as good as said 'Yah'. You can say 'Snape had it so bad, no one loved him Blah blah blah'
I always go back to the moment when Lily asked Snape if it made a difference being muggle-born, and he answered her "no". I think that reveals the most about the real Snape that we never really got to see because of all of his quadruple agent stuff. I think he was a good guy, deep down, and a hero because ultimately he sacrifices his life for Lily's son.
so he decided to help him out. Never once did James dream he was better then Remus or anything to that effect. About the same time Snape threw himself into the dark arts. James learned his best friend had set up Snape to go see a werewolf James put his own neck out on the line to save him. You never see a decent side of Snape until the very end, James is good (a bit of a bully but good) all through out the books.
Funny I didn't actually ever count Slughorn..xD But I suppose he is.
@SiriusSurvives You can defend James by saying he was only a jerk to the Slytherins, but is that really so different then Snape being a jerk only to muggles? Prejudice is prejudice no matter who it is against. James did save Snape's life, but was it so Snape wouldn't die, or so Sirius wouldn't be a murderer? From the way they seemed to despise each other, I would have to lean toward the latter.
Plus Snape never rose above his bitter-ness. He never said, "You know that was what 15 years ago. Maybe I should forgive Harry for having a father I hate and a mother I love." or "Maybe James really is sorry, maybe so is Sirius. Maybe I should double think taking his life out of revenge" It was Snape to never forgive and yet always beg for forgiveness. Now I love Snape even if he was a git, but I won't say he wasn't a jerk, much worse then James.
@SiriusSurvives Snape is definitely a jerk, but it's hard for me to like James at all when all we saw him do in the books was act like a jerk and bully Snape. Did James ever tell Snape he was sorry for all the horrible things he did to him?Did Sirius ever say he was sorry for trying to kill him?Harry is a better person then Snape but I'm not convinced James was. Maybe Rowling will write a prequel one day about The Marauder Era so she can reveal more about those characters we know so little about
@espo221b Obviously Lily thought so. James was totally loyal to Dumbledore and so was Sirius, we'll never know exactly what went down then, but James was a jerk, a prat. Snape was a Death Eater. James got better, and I'm guessing he was only a jerk to the Slytherins. Time and time again though you see proof of James' loyalty to friends and complete trust, where Snape I don't think ever trusted nor did he have any friends. He wasn't even loyal to Lily really. James found his friend was a werewolf
the computer voice kind of creeps me out too but i think it makes the song sound really good. It totally fits perfectly into the end of the song and the lyrics are just spectacular... definitely one of my favorite OBaTR songs :)
I'm crying.. This song is seriously sad, Snape is pretty good at messing everything up and fixing it when its way to late isn't he?
I mean after Lily is married he repents being a Death Eater and at great risk to his own life helps the Order. Poor chap! Because Lily will always be James' and I think he knows that.. 0.o
I feel sorry for Snape and all, but I like James better. Sure he was an ass when he was 15, but obviously he changes, becomes a better person. That's why Lily ends up with him, he matured. And he seems like he was a good father and really loved Lily and Harry.
Sure Snape loved Lily but he was as much of a jerk as James ever was.
@pyrokittyb When Snape made one mistake to Lily, he remorsed and felt horrible, right away. James made plenty of mistakes, and it obviously took him a lot longer to come clean & apologize. Snape was not as much of a jerk as James was.
Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but theorizing/debating Harry Potter is my favorite thing in the worlddd.
I can understand where you're coming from, but that's definitely not the only mistake he made. He became a death eater for one. He also basically states that if it weren't for Lily he'd be happy to let James and Harry die. James never wanted to kill anybody, he just teased one kid. He also grows out of it, where Snape remains bitter and picks on Harry (for no good reason) throughout his entire time at Hogwarts.
It's ok, I totally understand. I like debating HP too!
@pyrokittybSnape made plenty of mistakes, but his whole situation in life didn't help either. Just look at the life he had...who wouldn't be bitter? If James was abused by his dad, got sorted into Slytherin who, at the time, were all being recruited by Voldy, AND had to watch Lily fall in love with Snape, who he hated, I think he would be a little bitter too. Snape is unable to "grow out of it" because he ends up with nothing in the end. If anyone had a reason to join the dark side, it was Snape
I have to disagree. Snape chose to be in Slytherin, he chose to be a Death Eater . He also chose to be interested in the Dark Arts. /If/ James had been in Slytherin and joined the Dark Lord he wouldn't be James would he? Your forgetting James and Lily were asked to join Lord V 3 times. And all three they declined. Snape was bitter from the start, James (Although a jerk) was obviously more likable.
@SiriusSurvives But Snape wasn't bitter when he was a boy,life made him bitter. His mom was in Slytherin so he wanted to be there too. Not all Slytherins are evil, it was just unfortunate timing. He was living with future deatheaters for 7 years. It IS your own choice to decide what house you are put into, but like Dumbledore said: They sort too soon. They are children when sorted and I don't think its fair that your house can determine the outcome of the rest of your life like it did for Snape
@espo221b He sort of was actually, if you recall he wasn't actually very nice to any one /but/ Lily. (A jerk to muggles and not very considerate of Lily's family) The assumption that all Slytherins are bad is a stereotype but its a fair one at that. Name to me one Slytherin that was good the /whole/ way through. In my short knowledge of Slytherin knowledge I can't name one.Plus, in contradiction, Harry had it just as bad as Snape actually but proved time and time again to be better then Snape.
Of course the computerized voice is creepy. That's the point. Snape was considered a "creep". But the lyrics are SO good in that part, that the "creepy" factor doesn't matter so much anymore. It's so sweet, so heartfelt, so precious. <3
Which leads me to 'It wasn't meant to be'... I too wouldn't mind Severus/Lily, but if he hadn't 'messed it all up' as you say, we wouldn't have had the tale of Harry Potter to begin with. It wasn't meant to be, in a grander point of view. :P
I wish I had tabs for this.
casserrol 1 month ago
awww... this is so sad. T^T
abbienarutogirl 1 month ago
I love the computerised voice. It's very cool.
edgeygavin 4 months ago
That creepy "I can change for you, Lily, I will" bit creeped me so much! And P.S. why is everyone saying James and Snape? Not James and Severus?!
547victoria 5 months ago 11
i love this song , if i changed the gender references then it would say how i feel for a guy in my year without me having too ...
ilovedraco1 6 months ago
xDD Snape disliked. BAD SNAPE! xD
7HogwartsGirls 6 months ago
this makes me want to give severus a big fat hug and let him sob.
Kayceeeeeeeee 6 months ago in playlist Kayceeeeeeeee's Favourited Videos
Beautiful song
ImagelessGrace 6 months ago
James Potter disliked this, didn't he...
windog91589 6 months ago 2
I think this song is so beautiful and heartbreaking, but I'm sorry; I can't stand the last verse with the Stephen Hawking bit. It confuses and creeps me out.
chocoboblack1226 6 months ago 9
J.K Rowling announced a while back that if Snape hadn't been interested in the Dark arts then she would have loved him romantically and married him but she didn't feel he was safe to raise a family with and didn't want to risk that. :( Poor Snape <3 R.I.P forever..I still feel empty from your loss :(
aragneer 7 months ago 15
team snape since book one n.n
chuckybelialmen 7 months ago 5
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I just discovered WRock and it's awesome! Only Oliver Boyd and The Remembralls, Let's Lumos! and The Weasel King gave me eargasms. They have this stylish, heart-felt sound and lyrics that sets them apart from other pop and generic sounding WRock bands; their music definitely casts a charm.
ghostunit02 7 months ago
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ghostunit02 7 months ago
I LOVE what it's saying and all but the computerized voice just doesn't sound right, they should have done what they did in "The Last Call" when he was talking, cus that would have sounded really awesome :) Anyways I love this song HEAPSS!!! :D <33
steffiburnsvideo 7 months ago 3
OMG, this song...T_T
district12luvspeeta 7 months ago 2
"Always." <3
KallioppexX 7 months ago 14
This song is perfect and from the wrotes to the music. The chilling element really expresses the tone of Deathly Hallows to me. Everyone in the book had to rely on someone to be their strong crutch to get them through Voldie's dark reign. This song expresses this so well its hauntingly beautiful and simple. Perfection is the only word I can think of. I hope one day J.K. and some of the cast will hear this song. I have a feeling they would be moved.
kalipassion04 8 months ago 10
This is the first wrock song my boyfriend ever liked and it got him into the wrock fandom. He still doesn't like all of the music but he really enjoys Oliver Boyd and he thinks he's really talented. Personally I love this song. I must have played it on my playlist over 500 times lol and I've only gotta into wrock in 2010.
I love all the wrock artist but Oliver Boyd's music honestly could have been put in to the movie soundtrack. His understanding of character emotions is unmatched.
kalipassion04 8 months ago 11
Such an amazing song. It truly brings some light into the dark character of Snape. Despite the bitterness I feel towards him, I also feel very sorry for him. Listening to this song makes me tear up knowing how much Snape loved and cared for Lilly. He is one character who truly deserved a second chance but unfortunately could not get one.
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HarryPotterTrio91 8 months ago 4
I can just imaging Snape singing this to Lilly :"> Oh... those last few lines.... :|
This is better than Grenade by Bruno Mars btw :D
Anilynikoleta43 10 months ago 10
stephen hawking solo!
22lovehearts 10 months ago 12
I love the song, but I hate the scratchy burgundy at the beginning (guitar).
katnissblue99 11 months ago
"Please give me a chance to prove to you I can change...I know I can. Only for you, I will..." <////3
kuzuhidanlover 11 months ago 7
I'm obssessed with this song!! The lyrics are beautiful.
HermioneJeanGranger9 1 year ago
I agree with MysteriousMomo, because I don't care who was the worst person, THIS SONG STILL MAKES ME CRY!!!
KitCatch22 1 year ago 107
people, stop arguing over snape and james.. sure snape liked Lily and so did james, but Lily chose James for some reason, so James must be good at some point? so he bullied snape, he was just jealous of what snape had with lily.. i'm not saying that james wasn't stupid, he was.. and Snape did a lot of crap but in the end he was a good guy right? i don't know if i made sense but just stop arguing over their Love triangle thingy ... just listen to the damn song!
MysteriousMomo 1 year ago 181
@MysteriousMomo I agree. My best friend and I had to make an agreement not to talk about it because we have opposite opinions and always get into an argument.
xxSnapexLoverxx 1 year ago
@xxSnapexLoverxx exactly, there will always be one who have another opinion than your self, and you got to live with it, or else you will always get into a argument.
MysteriousMomo 1 year ago
@MysteriousMomo
Eurgh. This whole thing gets so annoying...
-coughSomeoneElseWasBetterForHerAnywaycough-
eldariontelcontar87 2 months ago
@MysteriousMomo I approve of your username! lol, but it is really awesome!
WateverWatever04 1 month ago in playlist Wrock
Snape was a qualified wizard when he joined Voldy. I'm arguing only that James and Lily were meant to be.xD
I don't dislike Snape, I just think that its silly that every love song about Snape and Lily makes every one hate James. Thats all, I mean obviously Lily fell for James for a reason.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago 7
Snape the teacher gets some slack from me because he never wanted to b a teacher in the first place. He was there on voldy's orders to spy on albus. Then there is the fact that he was a spy, and he couldn't have draco run home to tell daddy that snape liked harry. Now, I do not think that is the only reason Snape was cruel, to harry at least. Obviously snape disliked harry because of his appearance and his assumptions about him, but i think being a spy had a little bit to do with his cruelty
espo221b 1 year ago 4
@espo221b When are you going to hold Snape responsible for any thing he's done? James insulted Snape. SNAPE BLOODY KILLED PEOPLE. Yes he was sorry but his mistakes where still much worse then James. Snape didn't want to be a teacher, but he chose to do so by obeying orders. He might have hated it but it /was/ his job. Snape was much meaner to Harry then he ought to have ever been. On the first day of school he picked on 11-12 year olds. At least James picked on someone his own size. ^.^
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago 3
Filling in the blanks can be tough, but I always assumed James bullied Snape because he was friends with Lily, and James was jealous. After Snape and Lily had their falling out, James might have backed off Snape and maybe that's what everyone saw as his big "change" because wat else really could have changed about him? It is a sketchy area because we have so little information about James, and I could be completely wrong, but all we have are our judgments, even if they are a little harsh ;)
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Your giving James no credit for any thing he's done and thats not fair. Perhaps James finally realized how much a prat he had been, perhaps he really was sorry. 'What else could have really changed about him' Gosh, Snape can go from bad to good with no contradiction from you but James who was 15 when he made his mistakes has to have other motives but to get Lily? I don't believe James ever realized he had enough power to hurt any one. Or at least not really.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives I know the mistakes snape made were worse etc, I'm arguing that James isn't as 'good' as everyone thinks he was. I'm not ignoring Snape's faults, he has plenty of them, I'm just backing up my argument. Plus James never fought Snape unless he had Sirius backing him up, so I don't think you can say he picked on someone his own size. And u say James was only 15 when he made his mistakes, but Snape was that age or younger when the deatheaters began recruiting him.
espo221b 1 year ago
You can understand that Snape was hurt as a kid, so can I. A lot of people are hurt as kids and some go bad. Others are perfectly fine, it depends on how strong the person is. In the end Snape chose good. James was never half as bad. And like I said I don't hate Snape but Lily fell in love with James.
And matters of the heart don't follow logic or sympathy.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
I dunno if James changed just for Lily though, I think that James grew out of his bullying attitude. James was a kid when he made his mistakes Snape and adult. Big differences their.
Now I love Snape I never meant to be anti-Snape. My only beef with him was he never forgave, not Sirius not himself. I mean..? ANd Lily and James were meant to be- Snape and Lily were never meant to be anything more then friends.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
He had good in him. Other people argue differently, but I think he was very unselfish. He did not expect any reward for his actions. He did not expect Lily to suddenly run to him after he changed sides. His actions put himself in great danger for no reason other then to allow the woman he loved to live a life without him. Plus the fact that he was able to completely devote himself to the good side makes me believe he never had a strong connection to the dark side in the first place.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Again I never said he hadn't good in him. I only argue that James wasn't half as bad; Its like stealing a car and taking a piece of candy. Both crimes, but much different meanings. Snape did act unselfishly and he did change, but when Lily knew him he was a jerk. Their is no denying it, Lily was already married by the time Snape straightened up. You seem to forget, killing a person is killing a person if you mean it or not. You could argue that for any death eater not exclusivly snape!
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives I can't really blame Snape for not forgiving Sirius because like I said before; He tried to kill him! I don't think I would ever forgive someone for trying to kill me. Would you? How Sirius wasn't expelled from Hogwarts for that stunt still confuses me. I mean come on, if any student in any school pulled a prank that could have resulted in the death of another student they would be expelled.
But even if you did disregard the Lupin prank, Sirius never apologized to Snape either.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Your making in sound as if Snape had been totally innocent their. Snape chose to get out of bed past hours and follow Sirius' instructions. If you had a worst enemy would you be so keen to follow what they say? When i said Snape never forgave Sirius I don't mean regarding the Lupin Prank or even their childhood grudge, I mean that Snape thought Sirius betrayed James and Lily even though he knew it wasn't true I think he still let him self believe it was.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives Maybe I'm just biased against bullies, being bullied myself. Someone who would embarrass a person so badly as to expose their underwear to the entire school would never be seen as a good person by the one being bullied. Maybe it was easy for James to forget and move on, but it would have been much more difficult for Severus. The apology would have had to come from James or Sirius first.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b We know so little about James. I don't think its fair for harsh judgements to be made about him. We also know everything about James from Snape's side; How fair is that? You can be as biased as you want about James but James never went around killing those he didn't like. He dealt with his anger, he grew up. Every one has been bullied, but normally the bully isn't an awful person just someone whose irritated and taking anger out on someone else. Snape as much of a bully as well.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@espo221b Snape's only difference was, is that he was a teacher. Oh yes maybe he was doing it because he was traumatized as a child, that sure doesn't make him innocent. Opinions make the book, you can't argue Harry Potter on only facts because we have to guess on the characters thoughts and feelings. No one ever explained James to us only Snape. I don't mean Snape saying sorry. I mean Snape trying his best to get Sirius killed without knowing his full story.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
I don't see why Severus should have apologized to Sirius at all, unless it was for his part in James' death.(which Sirius didn't know about) Everyone believed Sirius to be a murderer. That wasn't only Snape's assumption.
I think you are playing the 'what if' game now. "What if Lily was never threatened?" I don't know what would have happened. It is only my guess that Snape would have changed eventually, just like it is only your guess that James didn't change only for Lily. Its all our opinions.
espo221b 1 year ago
I like Snape better because I understand him.I don't understand James.Snape was hurt by people his entire young life, so he lashed out. I get that. I can forgive that because I know how much he paid for his mistakes. He sacrificed his entire life to make up for his mistakes. With James you have a rich, spoiled kid who saw something he wanted in Lily that he couldn't have, so he lashed out at Snape.You say he changed, but I think if he really did changed that much, he would've apologized to Snape
espo221b 1 year ago
And this is where the random stranger interjects into the random argument that everyone can bicker as much as they want but I am crying. Like, *buckets or bawls* cuz this is heartbreaking.
KitCatch22 1 year ago
But eventually Snape DID know better.You make it sound like he never came to the good side.Like James changed for Lily, so did Snape, the difference was their timing.Snape always had terrible timing.(And of course the magnitude of their mistakes was different) I think what I like most about Snape is that he never forgave himself, or felt he could make amends for his part in Lily's death. He never made excuses either. He truly regretted what he had been. I think thats why the pain never went away
espo221b 1 year ago
You can say he should get over it, but he was only 15 when Lily broke it off with him and 17 when he became a death eater.He wasn't wise enough, or strong enough to overcome his life obstacles then.
But, in a way he did “moved on” from Lily eventually. When Albus tells him Harry must die in order to kill Voldy, he had to do something that would NOT be for Lily’s sake, but for the world's sake. His mission was always to protect Harry, but he knew Harry dieing had to be done for good to prevail.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b 2 years. A relationship that was never? Safe to say Snape joined the Dark Lord under other intentions.
"After all this time?"
"Always"
Snape knew that Harry had to die. But he was still offended by it remember? Snape also knew that Harry (Like his dad) would have it no other way. Moving on would require Snape to love someone new. Not allow him to let Lily's son sacrifice himself a sacrifice that Lily and James would approve of. And most certainly do themselves.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives I know it wasn't just Lily's 'breakup' that made him join the dark lord. Their breakup probably wasn't even a reason he joined, but I think he could have turned good sooner if she would have stuck it out with him. I guess more then proving he "moved on" from Lily, Snape allowing Harry to die is more proof to me that he would've eventually seen the light without Lily's threat. Protecting Harry for years just to learn he had to die anyway could've been a reason to become a DE again
espo221b 1 year ago
I think James would have thought of himself better than more than just Snape before he changed. I don't see any evidence that says otherwise. He was probably friends with Pettigrew in the first place because he knew Pettigrew would hero worship him to death. From what we saw in Snape's memories, he definitely didn't befriend Pettigrew for his sharp wit and great talents. I think he would have thought himself better then Pettigrew. (He would be right of course, but that's not the point :))
espo221b 1 year ago
At the point in Snape's life when he told Lily being a mudblood doesn't make any difference, I think he meant what he said. Obviously his view of the world changed in Hogwarts (Other people's influence) and he changed for the worse. He never called another person a mudblood after he called Lily one, and I think its because he knew it was wrong. He never hated her, and I don't think he ever meant to say it to her, he was in the heat of the moment and it slipped. I really think she over-reacted.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Mudblood was a term for Death Eaters to use, it basically meant at that time that whoever said it was going to work with Voldy. Mudblood was a very offensive word more so then modern swear words. Calling Lily that tipped a scale that had been almost tipped for a long time. Unfair- no evidence to support that. Plus when did you have to have a motive to have a friend? James just proves he was a bit confused on Slytherins but their is only one Slytherin that hated their guts.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives I feel that when tempers flair and you lash out at someone you do not say what is really on your mind, instead you say what you know would be most hurtful. The expression; 'never attack in anger' perfectly sums up that you are not thinking rationally when you are angry. Snape calling Lily a mudblood was a mistake. But, using that word doesn't mean you are going to work with voldy. If I use a racial slur that doesn't mean I'm going to join the KKK does it?
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b But that doesn't mean you weren't thinking it. When you yell at someone you tend to say what your thinking at the time- perhaps you never thought it would hurt them in the way it did perhaps not. Snape was angry and frustrated but he had no reason to attack Lily. Sure he was under pressure but thats a bad excuse. Now a days no it doesn't but their was a time when using a racial slur said you were against them and supported the KKK. Times change of course and meanings of words change.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives Lily's anger was understandable, but to give up on Snape that quickly doesn't seem right to me. Yes, she saw that he was heading toward becoming a deatheater, but look what happened, Snape eventually does change! I think she gave up too soon on him. With James there is no proof that only one Slytherin hated him either. We don't know much about James, but I can see James enjoying the attention Peter gave him. We choose our friends. James chose Peter for a reason, don't you think?
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Lily and Snape were childhood friends, they had very little in common and they really had no reason to stay friends. Lily saw Snape becoming some one awful and she said 'You know what, no.' Snape had made his choices and Lily learned to accept that. How much harder would the whole thing have been if Snape and Lily had been friends when Snape joined voldy? And you know he would have, it took Lily's death to make Snape see how evil the man he worked for was. Peter. Was a bad choice.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives Snape was 17 when he joined voldy, and 20 when he changed sides. He was hardly an adult. It didn't take Lily's death for Snape to turn sides, it was after she was threatened. Now we get to the million dollar question: Would Snape have changed sides if Lily wasn't threatened? It is difficult to say because it is unlikely that the war would have ended without her being threatened, so he would eventually have changed. I would like to believe he would have changed either way.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Legally he was an adult, and supposed to be able to make decisions. You can argue all you want about that but Snape was an adult thats a fact. Your right it was after Lily was threatened, I'm sorry. However I'm confused why would the war not ending make Snape go to the good side? If lets say Lily was never threatened, I think Snape would have been with the Dark Lord much longer. Maybe not forever but he still would have probably been much older.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@espo221b Why does James have to have a motive to befriend Peter? I mean honestly, it doesn't make any sense. Do you have a well thought out reason for each of your friends? I disagree, again it took Voldy threatening Lily for him to turn good, do you think he would have noticed as quickly if Lily had never been threatened? Snape allowed Harry die because he had too! He knew thats what Lily and James would want their son to do and he knew Harry would want the same.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
You join the Dark Lord to be a part of something powerful and elite, that's true. But isn't it possible Snape would want to be part of something like that because he had always been the loser all his life? Maybe he just got tired of losing all the time? Maybe he got tired of never being good enough for anyone? Taking over the world must have sounded like a great idea because he hated the way the world was in the first place. All of his anger stems from somewhere.
espo221b 1 year ago
Trying to switch James and Snape's situation is stupid, I'll give you that, but what I'm getting at is Snape always seemed to get the short end of the stick. I'm trying to find what Snape's motives could have been for his actions, not looking for excuses. He was a young man making decisions he wasn't equip to handle. Yes Harry turned out alright, but I think its safe to say he was an anomaly. How many people do you think would turn out just fine after living in a cupboard for 11 years? ;)
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Harry? I think its safe to say thats proof he had personality, and a strong head. Firstly not fair, I don't know any one else who lived under a cupboard for 10 years. xD I'm still going to play the, 'But Snape knew better' card. Every ones anger stems from some were. Snape probably should be introduced to Mr.Rogers and learn how to deal with anger. Hit a pillow don't join the Dark Lord! Lily's point was that for it to 'Slip out' he had to be thinking it and thats almost as bad.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives I don't COMPLETELY blame anyone for Snape's poor decisions. I know it is his own choice, but I don't think you can say that there was NO outside influence that factored into his decision. The fact that he can be influenced so greatly by other people shows he was weak. I'm not arguing that he wasn't weak, but what made him weak? Lack of good parenting? Lack of love shown to him? Some people are more to blame then others obviously, and none more then Snape, but others are to blame.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b No your right Snape did have it pretty rotten, I'm not denying that. Just as you said, he is to blame for his choices. Influence only gets you so far, then you act on it and thats were things get ugly.Snape wasn't forced to do what he did, he did it out of his own free will. Well thank you. ^.^ Yes Snape did get the short end of the stick, but I mean look around. Thats just a little bit of a head start, a long stick won't get any one anywhere its the motive to run and work.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
I feel sad for Snape. He's the slytherin who died as a gryffindor.
hillaryissoawesome 1 year ago 2
Ever heard of 'If you love some one let them go?' Snape needed to let go. (I hate this 500character rule. Makes everything so choppy!)
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
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espo221b 1 year ago
like looks and money then he could have been great, Snape was smart and creative. Instead he chose all the wrong friends (Who are more to blame then Lily or James) and he made all the wrong choices, until he made one right to protect Lily and her son.One choice doesn't erase a lifetime of bad ones. Snape was good but not always. James got better quicker, and James won Lily's heart. Lily who never loved Snape that way any way- Lily and James loved each other. With Snape the feeling was one way.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
He never believed it though. Never. Here you are blaming every one but Snape for his choices, you eve heard off free will? Its like saying, "Oh yeah I did rob a bank but see- I don't have any money and my parents don't love me and I was told to. Really I'm good though. But yeah I did know that it was a bad thing to do do." You still robbed the bank. Your still worse then the jerk who wasn't nice to you in school. All the things you say are true. But if you can rise above petty things
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
What I am trying, and probably failing, to say is it is hard for me to blame only Snape for the mistakes he made when his life was SO sad. Snape had a hard life. Terrible childhood, dirt poor, ugly, bullied etc. James on the other hand had the exact opposite life. Spoiled, rich, good looking, and arrogant. There was nothing complicated about James' life. For Snape there were plenty of reasons to turn bad, and I give him all the credit in the world for deciding to turn good in the end.
espo221b 1 year ago
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espo221b 1 year ago
We are all influenced by other people.Even James grew up worshiping Gryfindor because his family was all in that house.That's what makes Snape's life so tragic for me. He knew what the right thing was (He told Lily it didn't make any difference being muggle born) But he allowed peer pressure to get to him. He didn't follow what he knew was right, instead followed what those closest to him (other slytherins) wanted. He made a lot of mistakes, and spent his entire life trying to right those wrongs
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b We are, but people over come things all the time. Some don't yes but having ideal living situations doesn't make you. What makes you is how you respond to such a situation. Harry responded with love, Snape and Tom with have. Putting James in Snapes situation is pointless. We don't know how James would react then, but we do know James never thought himself better then any one. Any one but Snape. And isn't their an exception to every rule? He did tell Lily it no no difference true.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
You can say Snape should get over it, but it's easier said then done. Snape loved Lily from the moment he saw her until the day he died. He never told her, which is his own fault, but what does that say about Lily who never realized his love for her? It couldn't have been easy for a Slytherin to be best friends with a Gryfindor, but Snape never wanted to end their friendship. It was Lily who gave up on him. It wasn't only Snape's own actions that made him a deatheater. No one was innocent.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Snape never wanted to hurt Lily when he called her a mudblood thats true but I think Lily knew he meant it. After watching him call her friends mudbloods and always defending him, she felt betrayed. The friendship had already been rocky as Lily knew that Snape was going to be a Death Eater and she knew she couldn't stop him. (She couldn't you know that, if your suggesting that he could have them you missed that she had been trying-always) Snape was brave- yes but not always.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@espo221b Yes, your right easier said then done. But holding on so long to something that wasn't ever killed Snape inside. You know as well as I do that doing such a thing can destroy a person. It destroyed and saved him, he should have been able to get over her you don't hold on that long! Hah, your blaming Lily? He's old best friend? You've never had a friend your no longer friends with due to the choices that they made? Never...? Lily couldn't have stopped Snape, it would never have happened.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
After all Severus was willing to watch Remus and Sirius die. Severus did have a heart and the end he did chose what was right, but I do think he was worse then James.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
but he didn't, partly I think because he could never forgive himself for being part of Lily's death and partly because he didn't /want/ to move on. Fair, Snape did go good before You-Know-Who's downfall. This means he was in league with Regulus their, he found out good and evil and acted on what his heart told him to do. Something I think he had been hesitant on ever since Lily and him stopped being friends. Snape never did say he'd watch James die I assumed. (Unfairly?)
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
Malfoy I don't think ever /really/ would have been a Death Eater if him mum hadn't been threatened. Snape joined completely with free will, Now maybe he did want out as soon as he got in but he didn't. He wasn't even really as brave as Regulus up until Lily was threatened. I am in no way saying Snape is evil, but he was hardly as great as some people make him out to be. Snape was good, but hardly. Snape is weak their. He should have been able to get over Lily who never loved him that way anyway.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives when i said snape's situation was like malfoy's, I meant in the way that they both got into something they thought was one thing, and turned out to be another. If you asked Draco if he wanted to be a deatheater in books 1-4 I think he would have said yes. He looked up to his father, and was proud to be a Malfoy until he got to see firsthand the kind of things being a deatheater meant.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Perhaps, but I think that even if the two had similar stories that their was still a pretty large difference for the two. Snape became a pretty trusted Death Eater and Draco was just a toy. Snape never said he regretted going to the Dark Lord (again) until Lily was threatened that makes me believe that Snape would still be a Death Eater if not for Lily, perhaps I'm wrong and good did conquer in the end but how good was he? I mean really, their is a pretty fine line between good and bad
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
I think it's important to remember that Snape turned to the good side before Lily's death. Her being threatened was the jolt he needed, but he turned spy long before she died. I really believe her death was not the only thing he regretted in his life. I think he had enough good in him to feel remorse. But of course, it is all only my opinion on things. I can't back any of those claims up with proof. (I want that prequel) BTW They really need to allow more then 500 characters on each post =)
espo221b 1 year ago
No matter which side would have won, Snape would have been just as lonely and just as miserable, so he decided it was easier for himself to stick it out with the winning side, not caring how evil it was. Lily was the person who made him care. Being the only person he ever loved, (And maybe the only person who ever loved him) she gave him a reason to do the right thing. It was Voldemort's threat on her who made him brave and decide he didn't want to be a deatheater.
espo221b 1 year ago
So I guess I agree with you when you say Snape is evil because he knows what he is doing is wrong, but does it anyway. He put his own life ahead of the muggles and wizards that were being killed by Voldy and the deatheaters. Snape was never the nicest guy in the world, and there is enough bad in him that he would decide to stay on the winning side as long as it meant he himself would live. At that point in his life, I don't think it even mattered to him which side he was on.
espo221b 1 year ago
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espo221b 1 year ago
in what he did. If Snape ever regretted anything it was that he was partly to blame for Lily's death, not that he never allowed himself to forgive and forget.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives I don't think as many people would have followed Voldy (Example:RAB,Lucious,&Snape)if he would have advertised the life of a death eater as one that would involve torture, and/or death to themselves and their families if they failed the tasks given to them. The life of a deatheater wasn't as glorious as advertised. I think Snape's feelings could've been similar to Draco's in that being a DE didn't turn out to be all of what he thought it would be, but it was too late to get out
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b No-- I don't believe so, but sort of though I think they still would have. They believed that once they took over the world things would get better they would be 'rewarded' for their efforts, the only thing that lost Voldy any supporters on was the fact that he had no compassion at all. So when confronted with 'Please, spare her-- Let me find him!' he merely laughed. Voldy believed himself invincible that was his downfall. Snape was not forced to join the Dark Lord Malfoy was.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
You have to know that out of /all/ the 'good' out their he only hated 4. Out of all the muggles out their he only hated two. If he had allowed himself he would have noticed that people were dying, and all for a petty reason, (His bloods not as good as mine) Perhaps Snape never believed in the cause but rather reveled in the attention, but that makes him no less evil then those that believed that their blood was best. Snape set himself apart, when Lily was threatened not because he saw the errors
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
Gosh I hate Peter. *Shudders* Who I can find nothing decent about no matter how I try. Even their James was just totally ignorant to the fact that one of his buddies was betraying him, when it was suggested he just wouldn't here of it. Snape knew what was right deep down always I believe, so I can't believe he was making stupid mistakes because he knew no better. What you said is fair but not reasonable, Snape may have let himself believe what you said his dad was bad and the marauders were bad.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
I suppose, but for some reason I don't really think Sirius understood his actions. He had been with Remus many a night when he was a werewolf and had cheated death tons of times in his head it was all for laughs. Where I am almost positive Snape understood that death was permanent and the dementors kiss was the worst way to go. Again fair, Snape did believe that but so did everyone, Snape merely didn't want to know the truth he wanted Sirius to die and he didn't want to admit he could be wrong.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
This song is great by the way!!!
I'm afraid I forgot the real reason I was here in the first place while debating back and forth. Oliver Boyd and the Remembralls are right up there with Ministry of Magic as my favorite Wizard Rock band.
espo221b 1 year ago
On the flip-side,the "bad side" was made up of people from his own house who didn't ridicule him or despise him because of "the fact he exists".It couldn't have been easy for Snape to see the mistakes he was making, especially after Lily cut all ties with him. After that there was no one there to stop him from falling right into Voldemort's lap.Snape must have been the perfect target for Voldy. He was someone who craved power and respect but never had it & someone with no one who cared about him
espo221b 1 year ago
He was also willing to ruin Remus' career just because over 10 years ago they were enemies. I mean really?? Both went through a spell were they were bad (Though different sorts of bad) Both got better. Only difference, James never killed Snape, or any one who wasn't threatening his life, Snape killed who ever got in the Dark Lords way and for 3(?) years he didn't regret a thing, not until Lily was threatened. Sorry I repeated myself a tad. ^.^
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives And you are right. Obviously Snape made all the wrong choices in his life, and James made all of the right (except for trusting Pettigrew) But it is the reasons for their choices that I find interesting.I don't think Snape made the wrong choices because he was evil. I think it was because he was misguided and didn't get to see the "good side" as we see it. In Snape's world the good side was the Marauders and the muggles (his father) and there was nothing good about either of them
espo221b 1 year ago
James we know very little about, you know he got considerably nicer his 6th year and dated Lily the 7th. Lily who was very good at reading personalities, (Knew their was no stopping Snape and that Avery was bad news) fell in love with the previous bully she hated. James went through a major personality change for Lily, Snape didn't know how wrong he was until Lily's life was threatened. Snape we know more about, first he was willing to let Sirius die with out knowing the full story.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives Good points but I still have more for you ;)
I let Snape slide with the whole 'kill Sirius' thing because Sirius tried to kill him first. From Snape's point of view Sirius was always a killer, and not one to be trusted. Not to mention Snape believed Sirius was the one who betrayed Lily to Voldemort so Sirius was lucky Snape didn't just kill him on the spot. And you can't discount the fact that Snape made Lupin's potion for him every full moon and didn't poison it once :)
espo221b 1 year ago
Or you can say 'Snape never allowed himself to pick a side.' James saved Snape because it was the right thing to do. Its like a Draco and Harry relationship. Draco never really wanted Harry to die did he? And Harry never wanted Draco to die, sure they'll never like each other but they both let it go. Snape however; admitted he would gladly watch James his wife and his kid die, so long as the wife wasn't Lily. Even then he didn't understand why Lily didn't 'step aside. James gave his life.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives Going back to an earlier comment you made; i don't think Snape ever actually said he would gladly watch James and his family die if Lily wasn't his wife. Snape asked Dumbledore to protect Lily and Dumbledore got angry, saying Snape didn't care about her family. But it was all Dumbledore's assumption. Snape quickly agreed that Dumbledore should hide her whole family from Voldemort. So yes, he only cared for Lily, but he didn't say he wanted James dead, at least i don't think so...
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b I hope you dont mean he was all evil, I mean he was a complex character, he made a huge mistake. He went over to the "winning" side. But He couldnt be truly evil if he was capable of atleast some remorse, some love. The fact that HE took part in killing Lilly destroyed him. Although he says its fine to kill the rest of her family, again we see the true spark of bad. But we know he doesnt care. After that night I honestly think he had changed, even if he was miserable the..
kelseyhm 1 year ago
@kelseyhm They meant evil in the retrospect that he knowingly joined the dark Lord aware of what that meant. It was in response to something I said. ^.^
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives ah ok..I didnt read that part of the comments :L , I read yours.
You mean he was worse then James according to choices he made right? The people he chose, his type of evil was worse than just picking on someone although I always felt bad for him. :D
kelseyhm 1 year ago
@kelseyhm
I believe I was talking about that James and Lily were best for each other- Snape was a death eater James just a bully. Now its mostly for fun. ^.^
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives ok :) makes sense. they were..i guess
kelseyhm 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives If James had been less of a prat to Snape at school, maybe he would have had less of a reason to turn to the dark side.If it was so obvious to everyone that Snape and most of the Slytherins were going to follow Voldemort, why didn't anyone try to intervene and help the students see the mistakes they were making? Lily chose James after she broke all ties with her "best friend" but what kind of "best friend" abandons their friend to the life of a death eater just because of a word?
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b No, you don't join the Dark Lord because some one was mean to you in school. You join the Dark Lord to be part of something powerful and elite. Some thing they thought would win, and take over the world and it nearly did. You don't typically have best friends for life, and thats a fact. Lily didn't think that Snape really loved her, Lily was feeling used and bitter. What sort of best friends talks trash about all Muggleborn wizards (When your one!)
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
Yes, ultimately it was Snape's choice to turn deatheater, but look at Voldemort's life. How different would Tom Riddle's life had been if he was shown love as a child and not abandoned by his father and brought up in an orphanage? I don't think you give enough credit to the effect that other people have on our lives. Look at Harry for instance. If Ron hadn't told him Slytherin was full of evil gits and the hat wanted to put him into Slytherin, we might have a very different story on our hands.
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Playing the what if game is a scary game to play, you can blame their life situations but then I get to say look at Harry. He had a very similar life to the both of them. No one cared for him from ages 1-11 but he only found himself at Hogwarts. He was a true Gryffindor (He pulled the sword from the hat didn't he?) Snape had a mum and a best friend and still he went dark. Tom's mom made awful choices but blaming her is hardly fair and every one knew the father never cared.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@espo221b rest of his life. But I dont think even I could be nice to harry if I was infact snape, The one person I loved was killed by my doing, and the fact that Lilly chose James over him staring him in the face through Harry everyday of his life. The reminder that he lost, that Snape wasnt good enough, and never would be, for Lilly. :( But Im quite glad he had to live with it the rest of his life, it was his choice, and maybe he could at last see the error of his ways.
kelseyhm 1 year ago
Hmm, fair. Big difference here though, Snape /killed/ muggleborns and muggles. James was a prat to Snape, and perhaps all Slytherins but I'm leaning towards more against Snape. Jk Rowling has already said a bit of the reason James hated Snape so was that he saw Snape with Lily and he was jealous. You can say he was 'Good' in the end, but when Lily said basically, 'Are you aiming to be a Death Eater' Snape as good as said 'Yah'. You can say 'Snape had it so bad, no one loved him Blah blah blah'
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
I always go back to the moment when Lily asked Snape if it made a difference being muggle-born, and he answered her "no". I think that reveals the most about the real Snape that we never really got to see because of all of his quadruple agent stuff. I think he was a good guy, deep down, and a hero because ultimately he sacrifices his life for Lily's son.
espo221b 1 year ago
so he decided to help him out. Never once did James dream he was better then Remus or anything to that effect. About the same time Snape threw himself into the dark arts. James learned his best friend had set up Snape to go see a werewolf James put his own neck out on the line to save him. You never see a decent side of Snape until the very end, James is good (a bit of a bully but good) all through out the books.
Funny I didn't actually ever count Slughorn..xD But I suppose he is.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives You can defend James by saying he was only a jerk to the Slytherins, but is that really so different then Snape being a jerk only to muggles? Prejudice is prejudice no matter who it is against. James did save Snape's life, but was it so Snape wouldn't die, or so Sirius wouldn't be a murderer? From the way they seemed to despise each other, I would have to lean toward the latter.
espo221b 1 year ago
Plus Snape never rose above his bitter-ness. He never said, "You know that was what 15 years ago. Maybe I should forgive Harry for having a father I hate and a mother I love." or "Maybe James really is sorry, maybe so is Sirius. Maybe I should double think taking his life out of revenge" It was Snape to never forgive and yet always beg for forgiveness. Now I love Snape even if he was a git, but I won't say he wasn't a jerk, much worse then James.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives Snape is definitely a jerk, but it's hard for me to like James at all when all we saw him do in the books was act like a jerk and bully Snape. Did James ever tell Snape he was sorry for all the horrible things he did to him?Did Sirius ever say he was sorry for trying to kill him?Harry is a better person then Snape but I'm not convinced James was. Maybe Rowling will write a prequel one day about The Marauder Era so she can reveal more about those characters we know so little about
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b Obviously Lily thought so. James was totally loyal to Dumbledore and so was Sirius, we'll never know exactly what went down then, but James was a jerk, a prat. Snape was a Death Eater. James got better, and I'm guessing he was only a jerk to the Slytherins. Time and time again though you see proof of James' loyalty to friends and complete trust, where Snape I don't think ever trusted nor did he have any friends. He wasn't even loyal to Lily really. James found his friend was a werewolf
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives And Slughorn is a good Slytherin...off the top of my head, that's all I got =)
espo221b 1 year ago
hey someone have the lyrics of this song?.. I can't find it :/
thankss :D
nanzO9 1 year ago
the computer voice kind of creeps me out too but i think it makes the song sound really good. It totally fits perfectly into the end of the song and the lyrics are just spectacular... definitely one of my favorite OBaTR songs :)
klvz24 1 year ago
I'm crying.. This song is seriously sad, Snape is pretty good at messing everything up and fixing it when its way to late isn't he?
I mean after Lily is married he repents being a Death Eater and at great risk to his own life helps the Order. Poor chap! Because Lily will always be James' and I think he knows that.. 0.o
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago 6
I like the song...except for the bridge, oh my God. It's both lulzy and terrifying.
CaptainJackForever 1 year ago 2
the only band that can make me cry... i love this!
Princess0Starfire 1 year ago
I feel sorry for Snape and all, but I like James better. Sure he was an ass when he was 15, but obviously he changes, becomes a better person. That's why Lily ends up with him, he matured. And he seems like he was a good father and really loved Lily and Harry.
Sure Snape loved Lily but he was as much of a jerk as James ever was.
pyrokittyb 1 year ago 14
@pyrokittyb When Snape made one mistake to Lily, he remorsed and felt horrible, right away. James made plenty of mistakes, and it obviously took him a lot longer to come clean & apologize. Snape was not as much of a jerk as James was.
Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but theorizing/debating Harry Potter is my favorite thing in the worlddd.
swimmersgirl 1 year ago
@swimmersgirl
I can understand where you're coming from, but that's definitely not the only mistake he made. He became a death eater for one. He also basically states that if it weren't for Lily he'd be happy to let James and Harry die. James never wanted to kill anybody, he just teased one kid. He also grows out of it, where Snape remains bitter and picks on Harry (for no good reason) throughout his entire time at Hogwarts.
It's ok, I totally understand. I like debating HP too!
pyrokittyb 1 year ago 7
@pyrokittybSnape made plenty of mistakes, but his whole situation in life didn't help either. Just look at the life he had...who wouldn't be bitter? If James was abused by his dad, got sorted into Slytherin who, at the time, were all being recruited by Voldy, AND had to watch Lily fall in love with Snape, who he hated, I think he would be a little bitter too. Snape is unable to "grow out of it" because he ends up with nothing in the end. If anyone had a reason to join the dark side, it was Snape
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b
I have to disagree. Snape chose to be in Slytherin, he chose to be a Death Eater . He also chose to be interested in the Dark Arts. /If/ James had been in Slytherin and joined the Dark Lord he wouldn't be James would he? Your forgetting James and Lily were asked to join Lord V 3 times. And all three they declined. Snape was bitter from the start, James (Although a jerk) was obviously more likable.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
@SiriusSurvives But Snape wasn't bitter when he was a boy,life made him bitter. His mom was in Slytherin so he wanted to be there too. Not all Slytherins are evil, it was just unfortunate timing. He was living with future deatheaters for 7 years. It IS your own choice to decide what house you are put into, but like Dumbledore said: They sort too soon. They are children when sorted and I don't think its fair that your house can determine the outcome of the rest of your life like it did for Snape
espo221b 1 year ago
@espo221b He sort of was actually, if you recall he wasn't actually very nice to any one /but/ Lily. (A jerk to muggles and not very considerate of Lily's family) The assumption that all Slytherins are bad is a stereotype but its a fair one at that. Name to me one Slytherin that was good the /whole/ way through. In my short knowledge of Slytherin knowledge I can't name one.Plus, in contradiction, Harry had it just as bad as Snape actually but proved time and time again to be better then Snape.
SiriusSurvives 1 year ago
Of course the computerized voice is creepy. That's the point. Snape was considered a "creep". But the lyrics are SO good in that part, that the "creepy" factor doesn't matter so much anymore. It's so sweet, so heartfelt, so precious. <3
brookiethebandgeek 1 year ago 3
The lyrics are heartbreaking, I love them! But the bridge is awful... I don't enjoy technovoices very much..
rosann93 1 year ago
I am terribly sorry, but the computerized voice terrifies me. I can't listen to it anymore, though the song itself is amazing.
kuchikigirl09 1 year ago
@rosaliewhitlock:
Which leads me to 'It wasn't meant to be'... I too wouldn't mind Severus/Lily, but if he hadn't 'messed it all up' as you say, we wouldn't have had the tale of Harry Potter to begin with. It wasn't meant to be, in a grander point of view. :P
JadensGirl22 1 year ago
omg this is so perfect
JaneWatGrint 1 year ago
I feel sorry for Snape... he truly loved Lily, but it wasn't meant to be. ._.
JadensGirl22 1 year ago
I would love this song except for the weird comp voice bits. It totally ruins it for me.
jeanicejo 1 year ago
The computer voice is really, really creepy for some reason. This is a great song, though. <3
Ayume116 1 year ago 5
So this is about Snape and Lily?
kateclaudia 1 year ago
@kateclaudia Yep :) and it's so well done... also at the end he says Lily :D
wiccan2509 1 year ago
Why did he delete his account on youtube?
DarkerthanDarkxX 2 years ago
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Who's Oliver Boyd? I've never heard of him...
AryaHazard 2 years ago
His real name is Christian.
RandomDogProductions 2 years ago
i love this song...it's my third favourite Wrok song behind Spells and Scars, and Flight of the Prince
TheSerpentTeacher 2 years ago 5
the computer voice brought the lulz to an otherwise good song
mohhkneekuhh 2 years ago 20
@mohhkneekuhh I actually thought it had a rather chilling effect.
JWolps 2 years ago 6
Amazing. <3
Angiex3icetea 2 years ago 6
omg this song is so beautiful
itsatwinthing4 2 years ago 23