I'm not a Christian, but I'll answer, no, this question is not enough to debunk Christianity. I take evolution to be true, and I consider the Adam and Eve story to be fiction, but that story may be understood as a mythical explanation for an actual condition, and it may be enough for Christians to believe that Jesus died to save us from this actual condition. To debunk Christianity, we need to address more than this one issue. Some of my videos address other aspects of Christianity.
@Dhorpatan This video makes a lot of ASSUMPTIONS and calls it SCIENCE. 1. We KNOW that the Adam and Eve account is a myth how exactly? I'd like to hear u PROVE this without requiring a personal predilection against the account already. 2. You should look into the SCIENCE of the rib account. For example, did you know that of all the 206 bones in the humann body the ribs are the only ones that can regrow if removed properly?
Evolution hasn't not been fully proven! No missing link had been found to connect man And beast. Science is actually turning to intelligent design rather then evolution. Darwin was a Christian btw. And made MICRO evolution not MACRO. Get Ur facts right before sounds like a fool.
@johnmarine44 Science DID NOT!~ It stayed with evolution while religion fanatics changed creationism to 'intelligent design' so that they could indoctrination children at poublic schools. Galileo was Christian but he went up against the church for their corruption in science, namely astronomy.
@cootabux Correction- Book of John, guess I should have asked you where I could find it. You already thought you answered questions of mine. Christians don't ask non believers questions about scripture.
@cootabuxligious" You asked me if I think the earth is only 6000 years old, according to the Bible which you claim to see right through, God's first act was creation, and in Matthew the first act of Christ was water into wine.... Old wine. To me this means God could create the earth and make it as old looking as he commanded. Oh and I'm not stating a question I want some atheist to think they have an answer for me or a page from a magazine clipping that will change my mind.
@bobcatstallstar7 hi there. I think you misunderstand the scientific term theory. In science a theory is one of the highest accolades, it explains and makes predictions. Evolution is a fact, and the theory of evolution is the explanation of the fact. Evolution has been observed directly, in the laboratory. Check out talk origins site to learn more about evolution. Take care
This guy in the video is just assuming things you can't disprove the existence of Adam and eve, and using evolution to disprove the Adam and eve is pathetic when evolution itself is only a theory.
Read up on what Theory actually means in the scientific context before you make statements like that next time. Something in science only becomes a theory once there is a veritable ass-load of evidence showing that it is far more likely than not true.
A hypothesis is a off-the-top-of-your-head idea without any evidence, and god(s) would count as such. In fact, 10000+ years of failing to offer any proof would actually make it less than that..
@SuperBspb i believe that micro evolution is proven. And if macro evolution has already been proven then i would have no problem in believing it. Don't get angry at me because you think i am a ignorant creationist by this comment. I just like to wonder and question if macro evolution is really proven or if darwin was just over his head when he created the theory.
This video does not debunk Christ in any way and in no way proves that Christ lived. Are humans any less "fallen" if Adam did not live.? 100 million people died in warfare in the last 100 years, so are we evolving to greater killers?? or does human history just show how often humans kill, main, destroy, lie in other words - sin?? So if Adam never lived, we have plenty of reason for Jesus to be the lamb of God. Humans have plenty of wrongs that need to be righted. Good question, now think!!
this video makes the assumption that Adam never lived? No one can prove or disprove that Adam lived. Who said Adam was to be literal? Was Adam just the first humanoid to understand that creation came from God.? So this video makes an assumption that Adam never lived and that is just as false and assuming that Adam lived. The whole point of the Adam story is that man/woman became and are self absorbed - selfish - and the results have caused humans great pain in recorded history.
Uh, no. Hes basically saying that if the first part isn't true then neither is the second. Evolution doesn't disprove anything. What if original humans were gorillas? The bible mentioned most other animals but them.
@verlibekt what do you mean you believe the bible? Are you gonna do everything it tells you, like stonig your unruly child, or owning slaves, or killing your wife if she doesnt believe.
I guess that just depends on your outlook of it. If you do believe in evolution, then yeah, you gotta pretty big problem there to maintain. But if you are a creationist, then there isn't a problem at all. As far as evolution being true, that's mere speculation. No one was there to video it, photograph it, or overall document it so it is nothing more than a belief system. Evolution and creationism both do nothing more than interpret the same evidence that is found of the past.
@psburningman I did go to college. Thanks for asking! :) And I also vote. Answer this: I am a Christian. You are obviously not. You basically want the Christians to mind their own business and to leave you alone. I haven't tried to convert you nor have I condemned you to hell, but yet you have basically told me that I am stupid and shouldn't be allowed to vote based on my beliefs. Aren't you doing the exact thing that you are complaining about? Hypocrisy does not create a creditable argument.
@verlibekt The difference is your beliefs are based on BS. A scam. A bunch of crowd control crap written by bronze age barbarians. Ridiculous. Absurd. Only believable by a total retard or a someone who's scared of death. The problem is that christians want to mold the world according to this ancient hate filled crap. THATS the problem. Keep that crap to yourself and there would be no pushback toward christians.
@psburningman In other words, if I would just live and think like you do, then you wouldn't have a problem. But if I don't conform to your beliefs, then my 1st amendment right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech should be infringed upon. You've said, I shouldn't vote and I suppose it would upset you to know that I have a permit to concealed carry. Probably should be revoked based on my religion too, right? Probably just best to put all Christians in camps and eventually kill us, right?
@verlibekt wrote, "...But if I don't conform to your beliefs, then my 1st amendment right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech should be infringed upon."
Typical reactionary xian. Didnt say that.
the constitution gives you freedom of religion.
it also provides freedom FROM religion. This nation was founded as SECULAR, the first in history. Separation of church state. Keep your religion to yourselves. Keep it out of our schools.
@verlibekt You get freedom of speech. So do I. And my freedom of speech says that christiantity is BAD for mankind. Its a retardant to real progress. Its a pack of lies written by men. It's divisive. Its hateful. Its bigoted.
xians want to remove rights from gays. stop stem cell research. Are obsessed with the middle east. Get manipulated by phony pious republicans.
Christianity is a cancer on humankind.
Youre allowed to have your "religion", JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELF !
@psburningman I don't hate anybody, I believe gay people are equal to me, I couldn't care less about stem cell research, I don't worry too much about the middle east, I absolutely despise politicians, and I am still a Christian. AND I still have not tried to convert you nor have I pointed my finger at you and condemned you to hell. You know, not all Christians are the same.
You want me to keep my beliefs to myself yet you have forced yours upon me. Perhaps you should follow your own advice.
@verlibekt wrote, "You want me to keep my beliefs to myself yet you have forced yours upon me."
You posted in a PUBLIC FORUM. I responded. How is that having my beliefs "forced" upon you.
You stated your beliefs. I stated mine. No secret police hassling you in the middle of the night. No inquisition.
Typical Xian. History shows that xianity DOES force their crap on everyone else. Then when they dont like a competing message they scream bloody murder.
@verlibekt wrote, "I don't hate anybody, I believe gay people are equal to me, I couldn't care less about stem cell research, I don't worry too much about the middle east, I absolutely despise politicians,"
Thats not what your religion stands for. You are a very watered down xian.
The bible says kill homosexuals. Force women to have unwanted babies. Zionism. Kill your kids for disobedience. etc...
I guess the adage is true.... Dont hate the chrstian, hate christianity.
@psburningman Different? Yes. Watered down? Not really. Does everyone forget the things that Jesus taught? What about that whole "he who is without sin, cast the first stone" thing. People do not think about it this way but looking at that biblical event, Jesus was sinless and perfect so therefore, He could have cast the first stone technically. But He didn't. He forgave that woman. And who am I to judge someone? Who am I to cast stones at people when I have just as many problems as they do?
@verlibekt Just look at history and what Xians have done when theyre in power. The catholic church for 1500 years ruled europe with an iron fist. Draconian. The inquistion. The crusades. The barbaric dark ages. Censorship. Xians have done more killing than any other religion in history.
I welcome its demise. This current young generation wants NOTHING to do w religion. Only the xian brainwashed home-schooled kids will believe. The wholesale rejection of xianity has begun ! Thank God!
@verlibekt wrote, "As far as evolution being true, that's mere speculation. No one was there to video it, photograph it, or overall document it"
BS. Evolution IS observable, documented, photographed. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence. Our entire modern bioligy system is based on evolution. Its FACT.
Creationism: Ok...who was THERE to document THAT?
Its MADE UP. Invented by men to control other men.
You bought that story hook, line, and sinker. Thats called gullibility.
@psburningman Why are you going back to that? "who was THERE to document THAT?" Well see, I believe the Bible. But, I do understand that a lot of people don't believe that just as some people don't believe in evolution. But according to the video, it is hard to have a belief in Jesus as God and not believe in Creationism and I agree. I am confused about this though. Why are you trying so hard to convince me that it's made up? Who am I to you? And why does it matter to you what I believe?
No. FAITH IS the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN!--St. Paul.......Look with your heart and NOT your mind.Open you heart........
@sweet161402 wrote, "FAITH IS the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN!--St. Paul.......Look with your heart and NOT your mind.Open you "
"Just proves that you can't believe in evolution and the resurrection together.. "
This is why Xians try so hard to disprove Evolution & Cosmology (showing the universe is over 13 billion yrs old...not 6,000). They accept the rest of science, just not Evolution & Cosmology! Ha.
We know we are simply modern primates apes, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Evolution means that Adam & Eve were not created, therefore no Orig. Sin = no need for Jesus, and no need for atonement.
So if we believe that the story of Adam an Eve is merely just a story and has no basis, what makes people think they can believe one line of scripture and deny another? The Bible is not a grocery store, you trust and take it as it is.
But it is a grocery store, as you put it. This is the problem. The OT and NT are made up of many books and many books have more than one author. It is a mass of confusion, especially for it's adherents.There are over 33K different Xian denominations worldwide, and they all are different in their beliefs. The bible books were written by men, not god(s).An caring deity would know that such a cruel and confusing book would bring about such bloodshed from it's intolerance and stop it.
@gnolmahp I accused you of naivety because of your far-fetched daydreams of a God.
Since I myself am a bit naive--but not in that zoemg-God-is-real sort of way--I will step down and try to defend atheism. What proof do you have that God does exist, besides the bible which requires faith to believe in?
@10gacituao And what proof do you have, besides the fairy tale book called the bible? Faith is a feeling of sorts, so it is not an evidence in any way. Come on, I'm waiting. Just give me proof.
@mossandthesea Yes. Since we all share the same DNA, that means Eve gave birth to daffodils, apes, dogs, lambs...and, unfortunately, trolls such as yourself.
"But we know the story of Adam and Eve to be pure fiction." Where did that come from? Evolution doesn't prove this story to be false. To presuppose this prior to asking the question is flawed. The story in Genesis, as any worthy scholar will attest to, contains the story of creation as meant to be read not entirely in a literal manner, therefore creating the first humans "from dirt" should not be used to say evolution has disproved the story of Adam and Eve.
@gnolmahp wrote, "...The story in Genesis, as any worthy scholar will attest to, contains the story of creation as meant to be read not entirely in a literal manner..."
Then you admit that jesus died for just some non-literal story. You just debunked christianity just like this video did !
@psburningman I didn't say "all" the stories in Genesis are metaphorical. The creation story is non-literal, you know, on day 1 this happened ... on day 6 this happened. The origin of human scene though, is real. You cannot deny that even modern day humans aren't perfect, so "dying for sinners" is a very possible necessity. You can debunk the crucifixion story, sure, but not when imperfection is a real thing. Only simpletons can claim to "debunk" millenniums of establishments.
@TheSesela You don't give me the possibility that I didn't go back pages to find your other posts? Among tons from others? Especially when your only comment about me accuses me of being naive? Don't you think I would especially be compelled to respond to a one-liner accusation?
Also, how can I be a troll when there are several other comments from me? I, however, will give you the benefit of the doubt that you may not have come across them.
@gnolmahp I accused you of naivety because of your far-fetched daydreams of a God.
Since I myself am a bit naive--but not in that zoemg-God-is-real sort of way--I will step down and try to defend atheism. What proof do you have that God does exist, besides the bible which requires faith to believe in?
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
Before you say anything...please prove evolution. You used it as a fact, when its not. You don't KNOW anything, people weren't there, it wasn't observed, it can't be observed now, it is not scientific fact. And any "scientist" that says it is, has left the field of science and now goes on in faith, not facts. Enjoy your "pure fiction" and God bless.
@KaustaGesu It's true. It explains clearly why we are related to dogs, cats, lizards, apes, monkeys, and even weed.
You used creation-through-God's-hands as a fact, when it's not. You don't KNOW anything, people weren't there, it wasn't observed, it can't be observed now, it is not scientific fact. And any "priests" that says it is, has left the field of logic and now goes on in irrational faith, not facts. Enjoy your "pure whimsical daydreams" and may your teacher get common sense inside you.
@KaustaGesu Give me a proof, other than the bible and what you call faith, that tells me God is real, that he can control thunderbolts, the seas, the earth, and whatnot. Don't reason, just give me--us--an empirical proof. Otherwise, just shut your tramp and die.
@TheSesela Well, I'm sorry, "But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." Matthew 12:39 God is the judge not me. I don't need to prove him, but believe in him or not, when you die, and you will, you will stand face to face with this God that you hate. I pray you accept his salvation. I however was standing in a purely Scientific point of view. Evolution is a religion. It requires faith.Not facts.
@KaustaGesu Science has nothing to do with God, because God isn't real, he's not a fact, and there's no such thing as a cruel, sadistic, megalomaniac, racist, overly-demanding, ugly, fat, bitchy deity sitting on a throne hearing every petty prayer coming his way.
If you believe in God, then you have no idea what science encompasses, and how these rules cannot be transcended by a guy who got crucified. That, for one, is an irrefutable fact.
@TheSesela Way to prove my point. I know God isn't a fact, it is a belief, I believe he is real. And no he is not even close to what you described. Also I can tell that you have no idea what Science is because you used "Irrefutable fact" If it can't be questioned and tested it is not science. Please go take a science class or something before you talk. Also please learn how to read. You add your own opinion to stuff that I never said. Thanks.
@KaustaGesu If you believe he is real, then you consider him as a fact. I have an idea what science is, idiot. If I didn't, I wouldn't be protecting it from blabbring bigots such as yourself. Not all things in science are questioned and tested, that's why we call them theories. Please go buy common sense before you talk. If you don't want to, die.
@TheSesela It is simple. However your completely wrong =/ If it can't be questioned its is NOT science. Theory or the law of gravity, doesn't matter, as long as it can be questioned, observed, tested, or measured. That's Science. Everything is to be questioned, nothing is "irrefutable" God is real. But hes not a fact...that makes no sense. I'm a person not a fact. A theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable"...questionable.
@KaustaGesu You didn't even make sense, and it is obvious that what I wrote was read by you in a biased manner. I never told you you were a fact, but rather your lame existence was a tragic fact. So science is the questioning of things, as I can see you put it, so is questioning God bad? No, because it's the nature of science.
I'm sorry if what I'll say will hurt you, but it seems you're trying to make me look stupid by choking out words. I assure you, you won't succeed. You can't pull it off.
@TheSesela Sorry If I was unclear. And no I don't want you to sound like an idiot =/ why would I want that? Sorry If I came off like that. And you said because I believe in God It makes him a fact (to me) and I said, no, God can't be a fact, just like I am not a fact, but a person. God is not a fact he is God. Now how can I claim God is real? Faith. He is like the wind, can't see it, but you can feel it. Once again sorry If I came off like a jerk, not my intent.
@TheSesela Most science doesn't argue with the existance of God: it actually helps the concept along. You know the big bang theory? How does everything come from nothing? It's impossible. Besides, scientists who believe in the BBT say it actually supports a god creating the universe.
@MalachiCo0 Who are YOU to tell me it was God who initiated the Big Bang? Were YOU there? Did YOU see it? Tell me, how did you come into such conclusion that God had something to do with the Big Bang? For all we know, it might be some rainbow unicorn and not God.
"...scientists who believe in the BBT say it actually supports a god creating the universe."
Orly? Name fifteen. Those scientists were idiots not to include other beings such as spirits, unicorns, and whatnot.
@TheSesela Science: a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws
@KaustaGesu wrote, "Before you say anything...please prove evolution. You used it as a fact, when its not. You don't KNOW anything, people weren't there, it wasn't observed, it can't be observed now, it is not scientific fact. And any "scientist" that says it is, has left the field of science and now goes on in faith, not facts. Enjoy your "pure fiction" and God bless. "
You were doing fine until you came with the evolution silliness. Modern science and our knowledge of the characteristics of DNA has proven "evolution" is impossible.
Based on logic your argument is won. Unfortunately logic is no match against faith. Faith is something that requires one to ignore logic. If one could reason with religious people than there wouldn,t be any religious people.
@skeptical1001 Not true. At least one of the versions of Judaism teaches that you must question your faith. I have been unintentionally been doing this for years, and I still find no problem with it.
A better question would be for the Christianity to present evidence for their claims. Works like a charm for every cult, but it is rarely that theists will actually aknowledge the questions and instead change the subject.
I don't think this question debunks Christianity at all. All that would be required for Jesus to die on the cross would be a sinful people. Not necessarily the sin of Adam, but people sinning in general. This would give him reason to sacrifice himself.
The sin of Adam and Eve are not a lie it is clearly stated in the Bible and Jesus died for that sin as stated from the same book. Evolution so far have only theories to the origin of man that included man originated from apes. Christians do not accept this just like atheist do not accept God created man, we believe man are a species of its own separate from apes. If man originated from apes which ape species did Dhorphatan (the author of this video) evolved from?
@TheSesela Scientist use theories that you evolved from apes which ape species? Is that also laughable? The Bible contains no pink unicorn just like science does not too. Does that makes sense or not? The fact is science have no definite answer and proof of man's evolution all they have are theories. The Bible has the modern man started about 6000 years ago, is it possible before that, man that existed are not modern man but are related to apes? Dinosaurs disappeared after Adam and Eve sinned?
@banlin1958 I used the pink unicorn as an example to how you believe in God. It's the art of sarcasm.
Just because a book stated clearly that there is a God--or, for that matter, a pink unicorn--you don't easily believe it. Read it and demand evidences.
As for the science-only-has-theory-issue, at least we have the guts to call them theories! Theo-ries! Possibly true or not! You religion does not have such things, only smug conviction that God exists without even a speck of evidence.
@TheSesela Every now and then science tend to discover something new, one day they might discover the pink unicorn you never know. What use to be science fictions are now becoming a reality. The Bible was written to explain spiritual principles the nature of mankind and nature of God, and how people can have a personal relationship with God. Through the spirit of God man have strive to seek knowledge and answers metaphysics is that branch of science that deals with the nature of man and universe
@TheSesela Just like scientist develop a personal relationship with their studies such as their faith in the black hole theory although no one has ever been or come back from a black hole. Extortion, rape and murder are committed by people, just like guns don't kill, people does. Science is slowly learning that humans are distinct species of it's own that was created to be human not evolved to be human, including the theory of 3rd dimension. "My kingdom is not of this world" John 18:36
@banlin1958 wrote, "Science is slowly learning that humans are distinct species of it's own that was created to be human not evolved to be human, including the theory of 3rd dimension."
You mean like sharing 99% of the same DNA with chimps?
@MalachiCo0 "Tell me how something in it is a lie, because there is more evidence supporting the bible than there is against it."
And what are these evidences? The only thing I can think of are artifacts. And how do these artifacts come into being? Through events. Of course, human bones or whatever cannot prove a pink unicorn's existence, much less this "God."
look you are running on the idea the adam and eve were a fairy tale not fact, although that is one of our core beliefs on how we came into existence so in all essence this question does not actually debunk Christianity.
@MysteryDrive I'm just saying, come at me with any question and I can intelligently answer it. Accually, there are a lot of scientists who believe in Bigfoot, and it was presented as a theory, not as fact. It was something for us to think about. Besides, it was on the History channel. That just double's it's think-about-it effect.
@MalachiCo0 So, please, stop slapping events at my face because they don't tell you if God existed. Give me an event, and I assure you I will say that it's possible that it isn't God who did it, but rather a pink unicorn. After all, who are you to tell me that God initiated the occurrence? You weren't there. It all leads to faith, at least it is to Christianity.
@TheSesela I never mentioned any edvents. What are you talking about me mentioning edvents? Anyways, we can't prove there is no God. It's just impossible unless you were to exit this universe, which with our technlogy is impossible.
@MalachiCo0 "It's just impossible unless you were to exit this universe, which with our technlogy is impossible."
Well, you can't prove that there is a God either. Show me any empirical evidence, other than this fairy tale book called the bible, that can satisfy my disbelief.
@MalachiCo0 wrote, "Accually, there are a lot of scientists who believe in Bigfoot, and it was presented as a theory, not as fact. Besides, it was on the History channel."
Oh...the HISTORY channel ???
Well then the bible has to be 100% true. I must go and repent immediately !
@MrMphloI Never mistake someone not understanding something for someone having a lack of intelligence. If you didn't understand something, would you call yourself stupid? Of coarse not. So what makes me any different? Just tell me what it is.
What about the dozens upon dozens of contradictions? In the Old Testimate and New Testimate? What about all the atrocities your "God" has apparently caused? Christians cherry pick the bible. Christians take the few good parts of the Bible and leave the rest of the Bible, the contradictions,atrocities and massacres in a shadow.
Genesis 1:31 and Genesis 6:5-6 are a small example of the contradictions of the Bible. The Bible debunks Christianity with it's lack of logic.
@MalachiCo0 Oh you would like more contradictions? Ok. Isaiah 7:14 & Matthew 1:23 Matthew 2:11 & Luke 2:7 1 Kings 6:2 & 1 Kings 6:38 & 1 Chronicles 22:14 Job 2:3 & Luke 1:6 Jeremiah 3:12 & Jeremiah 17:4 Mark 6:53 & John 6:24-25 1 Corinthians 10:26 & Revelation 1:5 2 Kings 8:26 & 2 Chronicles 22:2 The only thing you should be face palming about is your complete failure/excuse of literature you call a Bible and your idiotic belief of Christianity. Would you like more? Just read the Bible.
@MrMphloI I'm not catholic. I'm just tired of going out on the internet looking for proof on it that's as hard to find as a needle in a hay-stack because either people don't need evidence to convince you douches, or they don't care.
Your not catholic eh? I find that very hard to believe. It makes me believe that you have NO Bible experience and I'm confused on how much your willing to defend something that has NO proof.
@MalachiCo0 Because, quite simply, you're afraid. You've been debating with us for days and yet you refuse to show your so-called evidence? The simplest answer would be that you're frightened--terrified--that we'll ridicule it, which isn't far-fetched considering that the bible is full of lies.
Besides, stop the "I'm-not-a-Christian-but-in-my-sad-real-life-I-really-am-and-must-defend-my-religion-because-we're-so-so-awesoemzzzzz" pretense. It's disgusting.
@TheSesela No, I am just tired of looking for it. I accually have a book that has plenty of evidence in it. I don't feel like showing it right now, but I will show it if I want.
@psburningman Hahaha dude that's great XD I disagree but it was good =P and position on slavery...In the bible, a slave is a servant. They are/were not treated like the slaves that were allowed prior to 1850s. That's why in the bible it says Master be kind to you Slaves. Slaves were part of the family. Hope that cleared something up. Have a great day =)
@KaustaGesu wrote, "Slaves were part of the family." .... "They are/were not treated like the slaves that were allowed prior to 1850s."
Yeah, if you consider farm equipment family.
And only if you beat them "nice enough"
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)
@psburningman I'm sorry but until you read ALL of 21 your stance means nothing. No matter what killing some one is wrong. Its in the ten Commandments. In this case your reading the law of men for men, meaning they allow them to kill. They will be punished for their sins by God, because HIS law says not to do it. Also slavery isn't a God thing, its mans.
@KaustaGesu is killing someone in self defence wrong? is it wrong to raise your hand and shoot someone who tries to shoot you if its your only alternative?
And if slavery is not gods way then why does he order it?
@Sweddude Please show me where he orders you to have a slave, please show me Gods command of it... And I believe so, yes. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles." Matthew 5:38-41
@Sweddude And I say for me that it is wrong...and that verse is why. However It's not stated that you can't defend your family, or kill in war. This was a personal choice that I made based on what God has given me, but I don't have a family (besides the church). So I can't say if my convictions would change if I had a family, wife, and kids. I'm sorry if that wasn't helpful.
Haha, evolution proves JACK SQUAT, and never will. The "Creation Myth?" Haha, that's just too much for one day kiddo!
jondabill1 3 days ago
Umm you sgould watcg kent hovind videos my friends evolution has no evidence
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I'm not a Christian, but I'll answer, no, this question is not enough to debunk Christianity. I take evolution to be true, and I consider the Adam and Eve story to be fiction, but that story may be understood as a mythical explanation for an actual condition, and it may be enough for Christians to believe that Jesus died to save us from this actual condition. To debunk Christianity, we need to address more than this one issue. Some of my videos address other aspects of Christianity.
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fortheloveofwisdom 1 week ago
@Dhorpatan This video makes a lot of ASSUMPTIONS and calls it SCIENCE. 1. We KNOW that the Adam and Eve account is a myth how exactly? I'd like to hear u PROVE this without requiring a personal predilection against the account already. 2. You should look into the SCIENCE of the rib account. For example, did you know that of all the 206 bones in the humann body the ribs are the only ones that can regrow if removed properly?
TruthUnadulterated 2 weeks ago
Evolution hasn't not been fully proven! No missing link had been found to connect man And beast. Science is actually turning to intelligent design rather then evolution. Darwin was a Christian btw. And made MICRO evolution not MACRO. Get Ur facts right before sounds like a fool.
johnmarine44 3 weeks ago
@johnmarine44 Science DID NOT!~ It stayed with evolution while religion fanatics changed creationism to 'intelligent design' so that they could indoctrination children at poublic schools. Galileo was Christian but he went up against the church for their corruption in science, namely astronomy.
KpopManiacSFL 3 weeks ago 2
@johnmarine44 actually more missing links are showing up. maybe you should watch futurama or something equivalent for your facts.
Denchanter357 2 weeks ago
@cootabux Correction- Book of John, guess I should have asked you where I could find it. You already thought you answered questions of mine. Christians don't ask non believers questions about scripture.
RackmanAl 3 weeks ago
@cootabuxligious" You asked me if I think the earth is only 6000 years old, according to the Bible which you claim to see right through, God's first act was creation, and in Matthew the first act of Christ was water into wine.... Old wine. To me this means God could create the earth and make it as old looking as he commanded. Oh and I'm not stating a question I want some atheist to think they have an answer for me or a page from a magazine clipping that will change my mind.
RackmanAl 3 weeks ago
You actually Ning even need a question to debunk Christianity, it's debunked itself.
Mocha2007andcoco 1 month ago
@bobcatstallstar7 hi there. I think you misunderstand the scientific term theory. In science a theory is one of the highest accolades, it explains and makes predictions. Evolution is a fact, and the theory of evolution is the explanation of the fact. Evolution has been observed directly, in the laboratory. Check out talk origins site to learn more about evolution. Take care
bagospannerz 1 month ago
@bagospannerz macro evolution is a fact? interesting.
bobcatallstar7 3 weeks ago
This guy in the video is just assuming things you can't disprove the existence of Adam and eve, and using evolution to disprove the Adam and eve is pathetic when evolution itself is only a theory.
bobcatallstar7 1 month ago
@bobcatallstar7
"only a theory"
Read up on what Theory actually means in the scientific context before you make statements like that next time. Something in science only becomes a theory once there is a veritable ass-load of evidence showing that it is far more likely than not true.
A hypothesis is a off-the-top-of-your-head idea without any evidence, and god(s) would count as such. In fact, 10000+ years of failing to offer any proof would actually make it less than that..
ogith 1 month ago 2
@bobcatallstar7 Search Professor Lenski evolution results please. It's already been proven.
SuperBspb 3 weeks ago
@SuperBspb i believe that micro evolution is proven. And if macro evolution has already been proven then i would have no problem in believing it. Don't get angry at me because you think i am a ignorant creationist by this comment. I just like to wonder and question if macro evolution is really proven or if darwin was just over his head when he created the theory.
bobcatallstar7 3 weeks ago
This video does not debunk Christ in any way and in no way proves that Christ lived. Are humans any less "fallen" if Adam did not live.? 100 million people died in warfare in the last 100 years, so are we evolving to greater killers?? or does human history just show how often humans kill, main, destroy, lie in other words - sin?? So if Adam never lived, we have plenty of reason for Jesus to be the lamb of God. Humans have plenty of wrongs that need to be righted. Good question, now think!!
MRGV7373 1 month ago
this video makes the assumption that Adam never lived? No one can prove or disprove that Adam lived. Who said Adam was to be literal? Was Adam just the first humanoid to understand that creation came from God.? So this video makes an assumption that Adam never lived and that is just as false and assuming that Adam lived. The whole point of the Adam story is that man/woman became and are self absorbed - selfish - and the results have caused humans great pain in recorded history.
MRGV7373 1 month ago
Uh, no. Hes basically saying that if the first part isn't true then neither is the second. Evolution doesn't disprove anything. What if original humans were gorillas? The bible mentioned most other animals but them.
GorillaTerrorist56 1 month ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 Probably because illiterate goat-herders in the middle east during the bronze age had never even heard of gorillas.
MrBonesoe 1 month ago
@verlibekt what do you mean you believe the bible? Are you gonna do everything it tells you, like stonig your unruly child, or owning slaves, or killing your wife if she doesnt believe.
SURFNEWSTV 1 month ago
I guess that just depends on your outlook of it. If you do believe in evolution, then yeah, you gotta pretty big problem there to maintain. But if you are a creationist, then there isn't a problem at all. As far as evolution being true, that's mere speculation. No one was there to video it, photograph it, or overall document it so it is nothing more than a belief system. Evolution and creationism both do nothing more than interpret the same evidence that is found of the past.
verlibekt 1 month ago
@verlibekt You are so wrong its staggering.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman To each his own, I suppose.
verlibekt 1 month ago
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@verlibekt wrote, "To each his own, I suppose."
Ya...as long as christians can keep it to themselves.....WHICH THEY CANT.
THATs the problem. They want the rest of the world to live just like they do. Like abject slaves in a mind control system for the fearful.
Evolution has OVERWHELMING evidence. Did you go to college?
Believe what you want as long as you dont vote.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman I did go to college. Thanks for asking! :) And I also vote. Answer this: I am a Christian. You are obviously not. You basically want the Christians to mind their own business and to leave you alone. I haven't tried to convert you nor have I condemned you to hell, but yet you have basically told me that I am stupid and shouldn't be allowed to vote based on my beliefs. Aren't you doing the exact thing that you are complaining about? Hypocrisy does not create a creditable argument.
verlibekt 1 month ago
@verlibekt The difference is your beliefs are based on BS. A scam. A bunch of crowd control crap written by bronze age barbarians. Ridiculous. Absurd. Only believable by a total retard or a someone who's scared of death. The problem is that christians want to mold the world according to this ancient hate filled crap. THATS the problem. Keep that crap to yourself and there would be no pushback toward christians.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman In other words, if I would just live and think like you do, then you wouldn't have a problem. But if I don't conform to your beliefs, then my 1st amendment right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech should be infringed upon. You've said, I shouldn't vote and I suppose it would upset you to know that I have a permit to concealed carry. Probably should be revoked based on my religion too, right? Probably just best to put all Christians in camps and eventually kill us, right?
verlibekt 1 month ago
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@verlibekt wrote, "...But if I don't conform to your beliefs, then my 1st amendment right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech should be infringed upon."
Typical reactionary xian. Didnt say that.
the constitution gives you freedom of religion.
it also provides freedom FROM religion. This nation was founded as SECULAR, the first in history. Separation of church state. Keep your religion to yourselves. Keep it out of our schools.
Why cant xians do that?
psburningman 1 month ago
@verlibekt You get freedom of speech. So do I. And my freedom of speech says that christiantity is BAD for mankind. Its a retardant to real progress. Its a pack of lies written by men. It's divisive. Its hateful. Its bigoted.
xians want to remove rights from gays. stop stem cell research. Are obsessed with the middle east. Get manipulated by phony pious republicans.
Christianity is a cancer on humankind.
Youre allowed to have your "religion", JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELF !
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman I don't hate anybody, I believe gay people are equal to me, I couldn't care less about stem cell research, I don't worry too much about the middle east, I absolutely despise politicians, and I am still a Christian. AND I still have not tried to convert you nor have I pointed my finger at you and condemned you to hell. You know, not all Christians are the same.
You want me to keep my beliefs to myself yet you have forced yours upon me. Perhaps you should follow your own advice.
verlibekt 1 month ago
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@verlibekt wrote, "You want me to keep my beliefs to myself yet you have forced yours upon me."
You posted in a PUBLIC FORUM. I responded. How is that having my beliefs "forced" upon you.
You stated your beliefs. I stated mine. No secret police hassling you in the middle of the night. No inquisition.
Typical Xian. History shows that xianity DOES force their crap on everyone else. Then when they dont like a competing message they scream bloody murder.
Just who are the hypocrits?
psburningman 1 month ago
@verlibekt wrote, "I don't hate anybody, I believe gay people are equal to me, I couldn't care less about stem cell research, I don't worry too much about the middle east, I absolutely despise politicians,"
Thats not what your religion stands for. You are a very watered down xian.
The bible says kill homosexuals. Force women to have unwanted babies. Zionism. Kill your kids for disobedience. etc...
I guess the adage is true.... Dont hate the chrstian, hate christianity.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman Different? Yes. Watered down? Not really. Does everyone forget the things that Jesus taught? What about that whole "he who is without sin, cast the first stone" thing. People do not think about it this way but looking at that biblical event, Jesus was sinless and perfect so therefore, He could have cast the first stone technically. But He didn't. He forgave that woman. And who am I to judge someone? Who am I to cast stones at people when I have just as many problems as they do?
verlibekt 1 month ago
@verlibekt
Atheist to Xian, "You deserve to be free and happy."
Xian to Atheist, "You deserve to burn in hell FOREVER."
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psburningman 1 month ago
@verlibekt Just look at history and what Xians have done when theyre in power. The catholic church for 1500 years ruled europe with an iron fist. Draconian. The inquistion. The crusades. The barbaric dark ages. Censorship. Xians have done more killing than any other religion in history.
I welcome its demise. This current young generation wants NOTHING to do w religion. Only the xian brainwashed home-schooled kids will believe. The wholesale rejection of xianity has begun ! Thank God!
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman Sounds awfully familiar.
verlibekt 1 month ago
@verlibekt wrote, "As far as evolution being true, that's mere speculation. No one was there to video it, photograph it, or overall document it"
BS. Evolution IS observable, documented, photographed. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence. Our entire modern bioligy system is based on evolution. Its FACT.
Creationism: Ok...who was THERE to document THAT?
Its MADE UP. Invented by men to control other men.
You bought that story hook, line, and sinker. Thats called gullibility.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman Why are you going back to that? "who was THERE to document THAT?" Well see, I believe the Bible. But, I do understand that a lot of people don't believe that just as some people don't believe in evolution. But according to the video, it is hard to have a belief in Jesus as God and not believe in Creationism and I agree. I am confused about this though. Why are you trying so hard to convince me that it's made up? Who am I to you? And why does it matter to you what I believe?
verlibekt 1 month ago
Where do you get that the story of Adam and Eve is fiction?
2010jaxon 1 month ago
@2010jaxon The vatican said it was a story of Fiction.
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@SnappiestExpertNiko wouldn't suprise me.
2010jaxon 1 month ago
@2010jaxon How can you not tell its pure fiction?
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman How do you know 100% that it is?
2010jaxon 1 month ago
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@2010jaxon wrote, "How do you know 100% that it is?"
That adam & eve is fiction???
cmon man... we aint in kindergarten. You still believe in santa clause and the tooth fairy too?
Its an insult to even someone with average intelligence.
It would be laughable if so many creationists werent trying to get this junk inserted into our kid's schools as the truth.
1 more generation and christianity will be so marginilized and irrelevant. Cant wait !
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psburningman 1 month ago
no jesus is lord i hope you know it to 1 day their is a lot of shit out their to turn you away from the truth darwin being just 1 AMEN
godsonzarmy 1 month ago
No. FAITH IS the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN!--St. Paul.......Look with your heart and NOT your mind.Open you heart........
sweet161402 1 month ago
@sweet161402 Not a cardiologist! Even if I were, I'd trust another doctor to do that.
RadarKat73080 1 month ago
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@sweet161402 wrote, "FAITH IS the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN!--St. Paul.......Look with your heart and NOT your mind.Open you "
Faith = gullibility
psburningman 1 month ago
How can anybody know if the story of Adam and Eve is ficton? Were they alive at the time to see it happen?
epicnate98 1 month ago
nope it sure doesnt....
iKrAbWoK 1 month ago
Yes yes it does
Abbadon380 1 month ago
Just proves that you can't believe in evolution and the resurrection together..
shaggyboarder 1 month ago
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"Just proves that you can't believe in evolution and the resurrection together.. "
This is why Xians try so hard to disprove Evolution & Cosmology (showing the universe is over 13 billion yrs old...not 6,000). They accept the rest of science, just not Evolution & Cosmology! Ha.
We know we are simply modern primates apes, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Evolution means that Adam & Eve were not created, therefore no Orig. Sin = no need for Jesus, and no need for atonement.
Cootabux 1 month ago
did the imaginary freind die for adam?, if so, we have ourselves a super imaginary freind.
kram83au 1 month ago
So if we believe that the story of Adam an Eve is merely just a story and has no basis, what makes people think they can believe one line of scripture and deny another? The Bible is not a grocery store, you trust and take it as it is.
RackmanAl 1 month ago
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But it is a grocery store, as you put it. This is the problem. The OT and NT are made up of many books and many books have more than one author. It is a mass of confusion, especially for it's adherents.There are over 33K different Xian denominations worldwide, and they all are different in their beliefs. The bible books were written by men, not god(s).An caring deity would know that such a cruel and confusing book would bring about such bloodshed from it's intolerance and stop it.
Cootabux 1 month ago
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@gnolmahp I accused you of naivety because of your far-fetched daydreams of a God.
Since I myself am a bit naive--but not in that zoemg-God-is-real sort of way--I will step down and try to defend atheism. What proof do you have that God does exist, besides the bible which requires faith to believe in?
TheSesela 1 month ago
Umm.. Adam and Eve did exist. God does not lie. You cannot believe nothing exploded, turn into the world and 'nature' created everything.
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TheJohny815 1 month ago
@10gacituao And what proof do you have, besides the fairy tale book called the bible? Faith is a feeling of sorts, so it is not an evidence in any way. Come on, I'm waiting. Just give me proof.
TheSesela 1 month ago
And your question is.....???????
ZenoManue61 1 month ago
The original sin wasn't a myth. Adam and Eve were actual people and our DNA proves we all share the same mother. This is a lame video.
mossandthesea 1 month ago
@mossandthesea Christians using science again? I'll bite, how did you get a DNA match with Eve?
xwarmangle 1 month ago
@mossandthesea Yes. Since we all share the same DNA, that means Eve gave birth to daffodils, apes, dogs, lambs...and, unfortunately, trolls such as yourself.
Sarcasm, here.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela There is some truth to that. The Bible says we were formed from the dust of the earth. We essentially related to the rest of the world.
mossandthesea 1 month ago
dude man you really believe that we evloved from a species that isnt evolved yet? wow bro
TheJarhead133 1 month ago
To all Christians, Theists, Religious folk...
Is there ANY piece of evidence that would compel you to change your mind about your faith?
psburningman 1 month ago
"But we know the story of Adam and Eve to be pure fiction." Where did that come from? Evolution doesn't prove this story to be false. To presuppose this prior to asking the question is flawed. The story in Genesis, as any worthy scholar will attest to, contains the story of creation as meant to be read not entirely in a literal manner, therefore creating the first humans "from dirt" should not be used to say evolution has disproved the story of Adam and Eve.
gnolmahp 1 month ago
@gnolmahp wrote, "...The story in Genesis, as any worthy scholar will attest to, contains the story of creation as meant to be read not entirely in a literal manner..."
Then you admit that jesus died for just some non-literal story. You just debunked christianity just like this video did !
Can I get an AMEN?
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman I didn't say "all" the stories in Genesis are metaphorical. The creation story is non-literal, you know, on day 1 this happened ... on day 6 this happened. The origin of human scene though, is real. You cannot deny that even modern day humans aren't perfect, so "dying for sinners" is a very possible necessity. You can debunk the crucifixion story, sure, but not when imperfection is a real thing. Only simpletons can claim to "debunk" millenniums of establishments.
gnolmahp 1 month ago
@gnolmahp You're a very naive person, aren't you?
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela You bring no argument and you accuse me of being naive? Who's coming across as the troll here?
gnolmahp 1 month ago
@gnolmahp I had several arguments pages back, so who's the troll who comes and goes saying I never presented an argument?
You, apparently.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela You don't give me the possibility that I didn't go back pages to find your other posts? Among tons from others? Especially when your only comment about me accuses me of being naive? Don't you think I would especially be compelled to respond to a one-liner accusation?
Also, how can I be a troll when there are several other comments from me? I, however, will give you the benefit of the doubt that you may not have come across them.
gnolmahp 1 month ago
@gnolmahp I accused you of naivety because of your far-fetched daydreams of a God.
Since I myself am a bit naive--but not in that zoemg-God-is-real sort of way--I will step down and try to defend atheism. What proof do you have that God does exist, besides the bible which requires faith to believe in?
TheSesela 1 month ago
@gnolmahp wrote, " ... The creation story is non-literal...."
Then there is no original sin. Christianity is a fraud.
Thank you. You just proved this video.
Amen brotha !
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman also, my original post contained "not entirely" ... but you failed to address that clause.
gnolmahp 1 month ago
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@KaustaGesu wrote, " .... I however was standing in a purely Scientific point of view. Evolution is a religion. It requires faith.Not facts."
Purely scientific??? Right.
@psburningman ??? Ok, please before you start arguing please...please...go do some research on what "Science" is.
@KaustaGesu If you call evolution religion and the bible science, it is YOU, sir, that needs an education on what science is.
psburningman 1 month ago
That is actually a really good question, I'm upset I never thought about that.
allidock11 1 month ago
Atheism is not a religion.
It's a personal relationship with reality.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman
ftw
unholypenguin4 1 month ago
@psburningman Define religeon, a dicionary definition, not just your own definition.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0
re·li·gion
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman Based on these definitions, atheism is a religeon.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
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@MalachiCo0 wrote, "Based on these definitions, atheism is a religeon."
Based on these definitions christianity is a religion. Atheism is ANTI religion.
"A" Theism = no god.
No god = no religion
atheism is not a religion, its a personal relationship with reality.
psburningman 1 month ago
Before you say anything...please prove evolution. You used it as a fact, when its not. You don't KNOW anything, people weren't there, it wasn't observed, it can't be observed now, it is not scientific fact. And any "scientist" that says it is, has left the field of science and now goes on in faith, not facts. Enjoy your "pure fiction" and God bless.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
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@KaustaGesu It's true. It explains clearly why we are related to dogs, cats, lizards, apes, monkeys, and even weed.
You used creation-through-God's-hands as a fact, when it's not. You don't KNOW anything, people weren't there, it wasn't observed, it can't be observed now, it is not scientific fact. And any "priests" that says it is, has left the field of logic and now goes on in irrational faith, not facts. Enjoy your "pure whimsical daydreams" and may your teacher get common sense inside you.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela And, you weren't there either.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu Give me a proof, other than the bible and what you call faith, that tells me God is real, that he can control thunderbolts, the seas, the earth, and whatnot. Don't reason, just give me--us--an empirical proof. Otherwise, just shut your tramp and die.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Well, I'm sorry, "But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." Matthew 12:39 God is the judge not me. I don't need to prove him, but believe in him or not, when you die, and you will, you will stand face to face with this God that you hate. I pray you accept his salvation. I however was standing in a purely Scientific point of view. Evolution is a religion. It requires faith.Not facts.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu wrote, " .... I however was standing in a purely Scientific point of view. Evolution is a religion. It requires faith.Not facts."
Purely scientific??? Right.
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman ??? Ok, please before you start arguing please...please...go do some research on what "Science" is.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu Science has nothing to do with God, because God isn't real, he's not a fact, and there's no such thing as a cruel, sadistic, megalomaniac, racist, overly-demanding, ugly, fat, bitchy deity sitting on a throne hearing every petty prayer coming his way.
If you believe in God, then you have no idea what science encompasses, and how these rules cannot be transcended by a guy who got crucified. That, for one, is an irrefutable fact.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Way to prove my point. I know God isn't a fact, it is a belief, I believe he is real. And no he is not even close to what you described. Also I can tell that you have no idea what Science is because you used "Irrefutable fact" If it can't be questioned and tested it is not science. Please go take a science class or something before you talk. Also please learn how to read. You add your own opinion to stuff that I never said. Thanks.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu If you believe he is real, then you consider him as a fact. I have an idea what science is, idiot. If I didn't, I wouldn't be protecting it from blabbring bigots such as yourself. Not all things in science are questioned and tested, that's why we call them theories. Please go buy common sense before you talk. If you don't want to, die.
It's that simple.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela It is simple. However your completely wrong =/ If it can't be questioned its is NOT science. Theory or the law of gravity, doesn't matter, as long as it can be questioned, observed, tested, or measured. That's Science. Everything is to be questioned, nothing is "irrefutable" God is real. But hes not a fact...that makes no sense. I'm a person not a fact. A theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable"...questionable.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu You didn't even make sense, and it is obvious that what I wrote was read by you in a biased manner. I never told you you were a fact, but rather your lame existence was a tragic fact. So science is the questioning of things, as I can see you put it, so is questioning God bad? No, because it's the nature of science.
I'm sorry if what I'll say will hurt you, but it seems you're trying to make me look stupid by choking out words. I assure you, you won't succeed. You can't pull it off.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Sorry If I was unclear. And no I don't want you to sound like an idiot =/ why would I want that? Sorry If I came off like that. And you said because I believe in God It makes him a fact (to me) and I said, no, God can't be a fact, just like I am not a fact, but a person. God is not a fact he is God. Now how can I claim God is real? Faith. He is like the wind, can't see it, but you can feel it. Once again sorry If I came off like a jerk, not my intent.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu So how can you claim God is real? Don't reason, or go around, or diverting the topic, just answer. Answer, please?
TheSesela 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu What would happen if you stood up in church and "questioned" god?
you'd get thrown out.
science requires everything it postulates to be questioned.
religion requires blind acceptance. dogmatism. tunnel vision. obedience.
SLAVES !
psburningman 1 month ago
@TheSesela Most science doesn't argue with the existance of God: it actually helps the concept along. You know the big bang theory? How does everything come from nothing? It's impossible. Besides, scientists who believe in the BBT say it actually supports a god creating the universe.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0 Who are YOU to tell me it was God who initiated the Big Bang? Were YOU there? Did YOU see it? Tell me, how did you come into such conclusion that God had something to do with the Big Bang? For all we know, it might be some rainbow unicorn and not God.
"...scientists who believe in the BBT say it actually supports a god creating the universe."
Orly? Name fifteen. Those scientists were idiots not to include other beings such as spirits, unicorns, and whatnot.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0..nothing split into opposites.
empireEaZy 1 month ago
@TheSesela Science: a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
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@KaustaGesu wrote, "??? Ok, please before you start arguing please...please...go do some research on what "Science" is."
I have. Given how often you cite the bible I think you may want to consider taking a healthy dose of that advice yourself.
psburningman 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu So does your religion. At least, evolution is more scientific than Christianty.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Hm, he can't use reason? I'm sorry, was that NOT one of the parts of science, using reason?
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
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@KaustaGesu wrote, "Before you say anything...please prove evolution. You used it as a fact, when its not. You don't KNOW anything, people weren't there, it wasn't observed, it can't be observed now, it is not scientific fact. And any "scientist" that says it is, has left the field of science and now goes on in faith, not facts. Enjoy your "pure fiction" and God bless. "
WOW! Just keep telling yourself that.
psburningman 1 month ago
You were doing fine until you came with the evolution silliness. Modern science and our knowledge of the characteristics of DNA has proven "evolution" is impossible.
dmartim1 2 months ago
Based on logic your argument is won. Unfortunately logic is no match against faith. Faith is something that requires one to ignore logic. If one could reason with religious people than there wouldn,t be any religious people.
skeptical1001 2 months ago
@skeptical1001 Because logic defies faith. Likewise, faith deifes logic. But of course logic is the more logical thing to do.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@skeptical1001 Not true. At least one of the versions of Judaism teaches that you must question your faith. I have been unintentionally been doing this for years, and I still find no problem with it.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
A better question would be for the Christianity to present evidence for their claims. Works like a charm for every cult, but it is rarely that theists will actually aknowledge the questions and instead change the subject.
alo754 2 months ago
I don't think this question debunks Christianity at all. All that would be required for Jesus to die on the cross would be a sinful people. Not necessarily the sin of Adam, but people sinning in general. This would give him reason to sacrifice himself.
afluffymango 2 months ago
The sin of Adam and Eve are not a lie it is clearly stated in the Bible and Jesus died for that sin as stated from the same book. Evolution so far have only theories to the origin of man that included man originated from apes. Christians do not accept this just like atheist do not accept God created man, we believe man are a species of its own separate from apes. If man originated from apes which ape species did Dhorphatan (the author of this video) evolved from?
banlin1958 2 months ago
@banlin1958 It's not a lie because it's stated in the bible. How laughable is that?
A pink unicorn weaves dreams out of underwear threads and it's not a lie because a book clearly stated so. Does that make it any truer, though?
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Scientist use theories that you evolved from apes which ape species? Is that also laughable? The Bible contains no pink unicorn just like science does not too. Does that makes sense or not? The fact is science have no definite answer and proof of man's evolution all they have are theories. The Bible has the modern man started about 6000 years ago, is it possible before that, man that existed are not modern man but are related to apes? Dinosaurs disappeared after Adam and Eve sinned?
banlin1958 1 month ago
@banlin1958 I used the pink unicorn as an example to how you believe in God. It's the art of sarcasm.
Just because a book stated clearly that there is a God--or, for that matter, a pink unicorn--you don't easily believe it. Read it and demand evidences.
As for the science-only-has-theory-issue, at least we have the guts to call them theories! Theo-ries! Possibly true or not! You religion does not have such things, only smug conviction that God exists without even a speck of evidence.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Every now and then science tend to discover something new, one day they might discover the pink unicorn you never know. What use to be science fictions are now becoming a reality. The Bible was written to explain spiritual principles the nature of mankind and nature of God, and how people can have a personal relationship with God. Through the spirit of God man have strive to seek knowledge and answers metaphysics is that branch of science that deals with the nature of man and universe
banlin1958 1 month ago
@banlin1958 umad bro?
"...and how people can have a personal relationship with God."
A personal relationship that a third consisted of extortion, rape, massacre, and whatnot. Don't deny that.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Just like scientist develop a personal relationship with their studies such as their faith in the black hole theory although no one has ever been or come back from a black hole. Extortion, rape and murder are committed by people, just like guns don't kill, people does. Science is slowly learning that humans are distinct species of it's own that was created to be human not evolved to be human, including the theory of 3rd dimension. "My kingdom is not of this world" John 18:36
banlin1958 1 month ago
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@banlin1958 wrote, "Science is slowly learning that humans are distinct species of it's own that was created to be human not evolved to be human, including the theory of 3rd dimension."
You mean like sharing 99% of the same DNA with chimps?
psburningman 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0 "Tell me how something in it is a lie, because there is more evidence supporting the bible than there is against it."
And what are these evidences? The only thing I can think of are artifacts. And how do these artifacts come into being? Through events. Of course, human bones or whatever cannot prove a pink unicorn's existence, much less this "God."
TheSesela 2 months ago
look you are running on the idea the adam and eve were a fairy tale not fact, although that is one of our core beliefs on how we came into existence so in all essence this question does not actually debunk Christianity.
Tom.
gahoozegun 2 months ago
@MysteryDrive I'm just saying, come at me with any question and I can intelligently answer it. Accually, there are a lot of scientists who believe in Bigfoot, and it was presented as a theory, not as fact. It was something for us to think about. Besides, it was on the History channel. That just double's it's think-about-it effect.
MalachiCo0 2 months ago
@MalachiCo0 So, please, stop slapping events at my face because they don't tell you if God existed. Give me an event, and I assure you I will say that it's possible that it isn't God who did it, but rather a pink unicorn. After all, who are you to tell me that God initiated the occurrence? You weren't there. It all leads to faith, at least it is to Christianity.
In my case, all leads to sheer common sense.
TheSesela 2 months ago
@TheSesela I never mentioned any edvents. What are you talking about me mentioning edvents? Anyways, we can't prove there is no God. It's just impossible unless you were to exit this universe, which with our technlogy is impossible.
MalachiCo0 2 months ago
@MalachiCo0 "It's just impossible unless you were to exit this universe, which with our technlogy is impossible."
Well, you can't prove that there is a God either. Show me any empirical evidence, other than this fairy tale book called the bible, that can satisfy my disbelief.
TheSesela 2 months ago
@MalachiCo0 wrote, "Accually, there are a lot of scientists who believe in Bigfoot, and it was presented as a theory, not as fact. Besides, it was on the History channel."
Oh...the HISTORY channel ???
Well then the bible has to be 100% true. I must go and repent immediately !
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman *Sigh* Never mind, you guys never get anything. And you guys think I'M the idiot.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0 Would you please answer a question of mine?
Who is more gullible? The person who believes without seeing or a person who demands empirical proof?
Just answer the question, don't reason, make an excuse and whatnot. Answer, please.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela Both are equilly foolish.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0 You're playing safe. There's no such thing as equals.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@psburningman *sigh* never mind
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
Christianity debunks it'self just from the Bible alone.
MrMphloI 2 months ago
@MrMphloI How?
MalachiCo0 2 months ago
@MalachiCo0
Read the Bible.
MrMphloI 2 months ago
@MrMphloI I have. I just don't see how it debunks itself.
MalachiCo0 2 months ago
@MalachiCo0
Well then you are plain stupid.
MrMphloI 2 months ago
@MrMphloI Never mistake someone not understanding something for someone having a lack of intelligence. If you didn't understand something, would you call yourself stupid? Of coarse not. So what makes me any different? Just tell me what it is.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0
What about the dozens upon dozens of contradictions? In the Old Testimate and New Testimate? What about all the atrocities your "God" has apparently caused? Christians cherry pick the bible. Christians take the few good parts of the Bible and leave the rest of the Bible, the contradictions,atrocities and massacres in a shadow.
Genesis 1:31 and Genesis 6:5-6 are a small example of the contradictions of the Bible. The Bible debunks Christianity with it's lack of logic.
MrMphloI 1 month ago
@MrMphloI *Facepalm* Read the rest of the bible, nit-wit. The first passage happened BEFORE humans became wicked.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
MrMphloI 1 month ago
@MrMphloI
1: How was that a contridiction? That was the exact same thing!
2: The barn is part of the house. Think of it like a garage.
3: Do your reasearch, idoit. That was the same measurements.
4: What is even the connection?
5: That's called people turning to him, then turning away.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0
I'm sorry sir, you are a catholic, I ward you no points and have refused to ready any of your garbage, meaningless comments. Good day sir
MrMphloI 1 month ago
@MrMphloI I'm not catholic. I'm just tired of going out on the internet looking for proof on it that's as hard to find as a needle in a hay-stack because either people don't need evidence to convince you douches, or they don't care.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MrMphloI
6: How are those even related, except for the fact it's about Jesus?
7: Crappy arguement, just crappy.
8: Hmmm, maybe they co-ruled. This has happened in history before. But very good one.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0
Your not catholic eh? I find that very hard to believe. It makes me believe that you have NO Bible experience and I'm confused on how much your willing to defend something that has NO proof.
Good Day.
MrMphloI 1 month ago
@MrMphloI To be honest, I mostly study the Old Testiment. Plus there's plenty of proof. Like I said before, I'm not going out for evidnce this time.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
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TheSesela 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0 Because, quite simply, you're afraid. You've been debating with us for days and yet you refuse to show your so-called evidence? The simplest answer would be that you're frightened--terrified--that we'll ridicule it, which isn't far-fetched considering that the bible is full of lies.
Besides, stop the "I'm-not-a-Christian-but-in-my-sad-real-life-I-really-am-and-must-defend-my-religion-because-we're-so-so-awesoemzzzzz" pretense. It's disgusting.
TheSesela 1 month ago
@TheSesela No, I am just tired of looking for it. I accually have a book that has plenty of evidence in it. I don't feel like showing it right now, but I will show it if I want.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago
@MalachiCo0 wrote, "I mostly study the Old Testiment."
So what is your position regarding slavery?
psburningman 1 month ago
@psburningman Hahaha dude that's great XD I disagree but it was good =P and position on slavery...In the bible, a slave is a servant. They are/were not treated like the slaves that were allowed prior to 1850s. That's why in the bible it says Master be kind to you Slaves. Slaves were part of the family. Hope that cleared something up. Have a great day =)
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu wrote, "Slaves were part of the family." .... "They are/were not treated like the slaves that were allowed prior to 1850s."
Yeah, if you consider farm equipment family.
And only if you beat them "nice enough"
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)
psburningman 1 month ago
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KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@psburningman I'm sorry but until you read ALL of 21 your stance means nothing. No matter what killing some one is wrong. Its in the ten Commandments. In this case your reading the law of men for men, meaning they allow them to kill. They will be punished for their sins by God, because HIS law says not to do it. Also slavery isn't a God thing, its mans.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@KaustaGesu is killing someone in self defence wrong? is it wrong to raise your hand and shoot someone who tries to shoot you if its your only alternative?
And if slavery is not gods way then why does he order it?
Sweddude 1 month ago
@Sweddude Please show me where he orders you to have a slave, please show me Gods command of it... And I believe so, yes. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles." Matthew 5:38-41
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@Sweddude And I say for me that it is wrong...and that verse is why. However It's not stated that you can't defend your family, or kill in war. This was a personal choice that I made based on what God has given me, but I don't have a family (besides the church). So I can't say if my convictions would change if I had a family, wife, and kids. I'm sorry if that wasn't helpful.
KaustaGesu 1 month ago
@Sweddude Nothing in the bible suggests he ordered it. Just he gave regulations on it doesn't mean he ordered it.
MalachiCo0 1 month ago