hansenschoice-greenhealth These oils have helped others with autism and most likely will help you. They are powerful. They have given me back my life after a car accident.
“M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility, Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with M-M-R II. It is also not known whether M-M-R II can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity.;" Merck and Co March 2010
Who mentioned conspiracy theory? mrj. Not me. In Wakefields own words he described it not as that but ""It's a ruthless pragmatic attempt to crush any investigation into valid vaccine safety concerns," Wakefield said. Stop trying to throw terms out there that were never mentioned....
"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority who have staked their reputations on the safety of the MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves" (Dr Peter Fletcher Former Chief Scientific Officer for the Department of Health- responsible for vaccine safety)
Yeah, apparently your claim is that every reputable health organization on planet Earth, every government on Earth & every media source that doesn't agree with you are all part of the evil conspiracy. Tell me. How do the recent federal lawsuits against Tap, Allergen & Pfizer that forced these companies to pay out BILLIONS of dollars fit into your grand conspiracy theory? And for what? So the gov't can continue paying billions of dollars for medical services these families require?
@ mjr256 -the only evidence they concluded was that the MMR wasnt the reason for autism & more importantly thimerosol. That doesnt account for ALL the vaccines a baby gets from birth to 2 y/o. Since the blood brain barrier does not develope until 2-3 years old it is common sense for me to see that vaccines do play a HUGE role in autism cases and other auto-immune diseases alike. Look @ the CDC web site & then add all of the vaccines & ingredients up... it is more than the MMR & one ingredient.
Yes, this is called moving the goalpost. Whenever ideologues can't handle facts proving them wrong, they always alter their position to make it more & more unfalsifiable until it's utterly meaningless & they've created a claim so outrageous they've given no rational person a reason to believe it's true.
If no study has proven the link, then why so confident it exists at all?
And course, this still doesn't account for the fact that autism is just as common in unvaccinated populations.
And while superficially, one can say there are more vaccines now, the fact is that there are fewer antigens in those vaccines today than the generation before. So again, the vaccine hypothesis doesn't hold any water.
If all you've got is symptoms showing up around the same time kid's were vaccinated, something that can hardly even be called a coincidence given how many vaccines happen to be given within the 1st 2 years of life, same as autism symptoms appear, that's very convincing.
@VACTRUTH YEP! you are correct, you can go straight to the manufacturers web site and get the DR's (not patients- because they don't want to tell you anything) leaflet for each vaccination. Its interesting reading indeed. Hey! Try some Fetal bovine serum too! mmmm, another lovely ingredient in the MMR. Google it, and tell me you want this injected into your kids! :O
No thanks. I prefer to go to actual reputable sources than just Googling websites where anyone is free to say absolutely anything they want without having anyone fact-checking them. And as a matter of fact, no such ingredient is in the MMR. Try again.
@mjr256 I never suggested accepting everything you find on google. Lets put this into context since you like to take what I said out. I suggested googling an ingredient. One ingredient which if you google you will most likely find accurate info on. It is like somone suggesting to you to google strawberries and you saying that because it is off google that it is inacurrate info. Anyone with common sense would check their sources.
One ingredient that is in fact not in the vaccine if you go to a legitimate source for your research instead of taking random websites at their word. I presented you w/ a link to the CDC's ingredient list & your "ingredient" flat-out isn't there. Nor would it necessarily matter if it were since protein is protein & superficial feelings that some ingredient sounds gross has no baring on whether its harmful or not.
@mjr256 I got that information (on ingredients) DIRECTLY from the manufacturer. Merck and Co. MMR leaflet (for doctors) last updated March 2010..... Regarding it just 'sounding gross' it is much more serious than that. As we do not know what is in FBS we cannot tell what (in a positive or negative result) was the precise benefit of the process or the material used. Or was it due to FBS? Ethical questions have also been raised regards the blood collection process of FBS.
Ok, found the insert you're referring to, the 1 that READS: "The cells, virus pools, and fetal bovine serum are all screened for the absence of adventitious agents." & of course since you in fact have no evidence that it's harmful, you think you can just shift the burden of proof w/ an argument from ignorance, saying "we do not know what is in FBS we cannot tell what (in a positive or negative result)." In other words, your dog ate your homework & your claim is pure evidence-free speculation.
@mjr256 You are sadly mis-informed. There is definitely such an ingredient in the MMR. Certainly according to Merck and Co's list of ingredients in the doctors leaflet for MMR which was issued Issued March 2010..... You can get that from their site directly.
I guess you think that every reputable health organization on Earth is not as informed on this subject as you because they all squarely disagree w/ you and I have done nothing but defend their position w/o asserting of my own claims at all. Again, as a non-expert, I'd consider such speaking out of school as perverse & arrogant as an amateur student w/ no professional experience working in the field declaring they know better than those who have spent decades researching the matter.
@mjr256 I have done a bit of poking around and it seems to me that I am not the only one of suspecting you of being a big pharma shill. There are other internationally recognised experts that share my view. All you have to do is look, so I think your claim about "every reputable health organization on Earth" is VERY exaggerated.... If you want a debate you really should go to a forum for that and not youtube!
Of course you're not the only one suspecting me of being a big pharma shill. McCarthyism is the only tactic anti-vaxxers have & they use it EVERY SINGLE TIME any1 disagrees w/ their thoroughly debunked claims. The fact that you can find a few fringe nuts who happen to have "Dr." in front of their name that reinforce your ideology is not a valid argument. One can find "doctors" who believe the world is flat & that tobacco doesn't cause cancer. So what? Where's the evidence?
@mjr256 Go and google Russell Baylock and see that they do still put thimerosal in vaccines not only that but other contaminants not to mention that most vaccines are produced in China that cant be regulated
Yes, I'm already quite familiar w/ your cherry-picked "expert" who disagrees w/ every reputable medical organization in the world & who makes proclamations he has no evidence for. You're entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts & to your own experts.
Thimerosal hasn't been in any childhood vaccines in the U.S. in 8 years & has been removed from most vaccines in every other country as well. Which is besides the point as there's nothing harmful about it in the 1st place.
@mjr256 Hey thats ok your entitled to your own oppinions as well, you go ahead and immunise you and your family, look back in years to come I would rather not pollute my body and that of my families to find out in a few years that they had added contaminates that cause cancer and the like the experience that I have seen and witnessed is the people that immunise end up sicker than the ones that dont so go ahead and believe the drug companies its your choice x
@mjr256 Rather be safe than sorry explain that to your children when it all comes out.... these pharmacutical companies only care about Eugenics each to their own I would rather build a natural healthy ammune system in my family than risk multiple vaccinations only to have them die early and there is plenty of evidence for cancer in younger and younger people all the time soooo go knock yourself out x
That's an incomprehensible argument on many levels. You have no good reason to believe what you believe so you're just going to side w/ whoever scares you the most. And you've got it backwards. Over 200 years of evidence demonstrates both the safety & efficacy of vaccines. If you're going to go w/ a "better safe than sorry" gamble, then vaccines are your best bet. Fortunately, it's hardly a gamble at all. Vaccinating is like playing Russian roulette when the gun has no bullets.
And as for natural healthy immune system approach, that's precisely what vaccines are. They use dead or greatly weakened forms of a virus to stimulate your natural immune defenses. Medical treatments don't get more natural than that. So unless you're prepared to forsake clothing, sewage systems, computers, and all things unnatural, I'm calling BS on your faux-naturalism hippy nonsense.
@mjr256 - I used to believe the same thing until I actually did EXTENSIVE SCIENTIFIC research (not just reading the papers or believing what I am told)! Hence the reason my child is vaccinated (but wont be from now on- unless they can be proven safe and effective!). You might want to review factual evidence before you try and prove a lie....
Extensive research...do tell. What university did you get your education? What's your degree & what's it in? What is your field? How many years have you been a professional working in that field? Or is this "extensive scientific research" from Google University and involve simply parroting any garbage you happen to read from Age of Autism, Mercola, NaturalNews, whale.to, etc, etc? Cause if so, you can spend 80 years "researching" & only come out less informed than you started.
@mjr256 ok since you like to question anyone's honesty level who does not agree with you, I will answer you once; but refuse to get into a debate on youtube as this is not a forum nor the appropriate place. I am currently attenting a top university studying bio-ethics. I have also researched this issue since May 2007 and continue to do so. I assisted and researched in a high profile legal case (regarding this issue) based in the state of Fl from 2007-2010 (which was won). So how do YOU qualify?
I think you're confusing us. I have not presented my personal opinions, only the facts & consensus opinions of those most knowledgeable on the subject. I for one would consider it perverse & arrogant to simply assert my own medical opinions & insist they're correct. It seems to be YOU who questions the honesty of any1 who doesn't agree w/ your unsupported, fringe speculations. If the medical consensus discovered they were wrong tomorrow, I'd happily change my position accordingly.
@mjr256 you never answered the question. You asked how I was qualified to have such an opinion. I told you my experience. I asked you the same. You never answered. Your statement about this being the "medical consensus" is again highly exaggerated as I can name a good few EXPERTS (one in particular I worked with and has 34 yrs in the medical field- licensed to practice in 3 different states and whom travels the world, published papers as an expert on this issue) who would disagree with you.
Further, my statement that every reputable health organization on Earth supports vaccination is anything but an exaggeration. It's a fact. If you disagree, point me to a reputable health org that doesn't. & no, Generation Rescue, NaturalNews & the NVIC are not reputable health orgs.
& I did answer your question. I said that like you, I'm not a working professional in a relevant field. This is why I don't offer my own opinions & stick to that of the consensus of experts.
@mjr256 Thimerosal (or mercury) IS harmful! exposures to mercury compounds can damage the gastrointestinal tract, the nervous system, and the kidneys. and There are MANY experts who also believe in Dr Wakefields findings. His findings have been replicated in NO LESS than 5 other countries most recently Japan.
Prove it. This claim has failed in both the court of science and the court of law. And there are 2 types of mercury, ETHYLmercury & METHYLmercury. The latter is found in fish, bioaccumulates & can be dangerous in high doses. The former is in thimerosal, doesn't bioaccumulate & is perfectly safe in the dosage used in vaccines. & there's more "mercury" in a tuna sandwich than any vaccine.
Further, not every "Dr." is an expert in a relevant field. Feel free to cite current professional infectious disease doctors who support Mr. Wakefield's fraudulent research & explain why you think an argument from authority, or rather from fringe authorities is more valid than actual empirical evidence? Tell me. If you find an "expert" who says tobacco is healthy, will that change the facts that it isn't?
@mjr256 The fact that autism happens in non-vaccinated populations does not mean that it doesn't come from enviromental toxins. and it isn't "just as common" as you say it is significantly lower.
No, the fact it's in fact as frequent among the unvaccinated does. As does the fact that autism's 4 times more prevalent in boys than girls despite both getting the same vaccines on the same schedule; that if 1 identical twin has autism, the other twin has an 90% chance of also being autistic regardless of vaccination; that siblings of those w/ autism have a 50% chance of also being autistic regardless of vaccination & that NJ has 6 lowest vaccination in the U.S. but is #1 in ASD.
@mjr256 to simplify it for you-not all cases are the same . it is a very diverse group of people . we do know that there is a genetic component - Fragile-X, for example. We also know that many children have mitochondrial dysfunction. And..., many children are "immunocompromised" or "vulnerable" and, in some cases, the vaccines were the "straw that broke the camels back". So, regardless, we know that vaccines are not the only cause. We're still looking for answers . toxins come in many forms.
Medical experts HAVE investigated the possible role of vaccines in autism. The investigation's over & it's concluded that no link exists. And every reputable medical institution in the world agrees.
Autism is no more common in vaccinated populations than unvaccinated populations & Andrew Wakefield is a child abuser. So get over yourself and accept reality.
4-week-old Dana McCaffery is dead because of people like you.
@mjr256 You're painfully ignorant and only regurgitate the talking points of mainstream news and the AMA, AAP.
I hear no mention of you talking about Paul Offit's Rotavirus vaccine recently being implicate in recombining in an unvaxed sibling. Nor do we hear any answers or sound advice from medical professionals.
Tell us: If vaccines cause neurological damage, why are no tests performed before and after vaccination to ensure neurological integrity of the child?
The AMA & AAP are among the most reputable medical organizations in the world. If I shouldn't be listening to them, then who should I be listening to? Celebrities? Internet ideologues on the payroll of bogus autism supplement companies? Disgraced doctors who abuse children?
Rotavirus has undeniably saved thousands of lives. It's well tested & not linked to serious harm. Trying to poison the well by throwing any feces at vaccines you read from propaganda sites is not a valid argument.
hansenschoice-greenhealth These oils have helped others with autism and most likely will help you. They are powerful. They have given me back my life after a car accident.
jenniferbhala 1 year ago
“M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility, Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with M-M-R II. It is also not known whether M-M-R II can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity.;" Merck and Co March 2010
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
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fluffycatluv 1 year ago
Who mentioned conspiracy theory? mrj. Not me. In Wakefields own words he described it not as that but ""It's a ruthless pragmatic attempt to crush any investigation into valid vaccine safety concerns," Wakefield said. Stop trying to throw terms out there that were never mentioned....
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority who have staked their reputations on the safety of the MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves" (Dr Peter Fletcher Former Chief Scientific Officer for the Department of Health- responsible for vaccine safety)
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
Yeah, apparently your claim is that every reputable health organization on planet Earth, every government on Earth & every media source that doesn't agree with you are all part of the evil conspiracy. Tell me. How do the recent federal lawsuits against Tap, Allergen & Pfizer that forced these companies to pay out BILLIONS of dollars fit into your grand conspiracy theory? And for what? So the gov't can continue paying billions of dollars for medical services these families require?
mjr256 1 year ago
@ mjr256 -the only evidence they concluded was that the MMR wasnt the reason for autism & more importantly thimerosol. That doesnt account for ALL the vaccines a baby gets from birth to 2 y/o. Since the blood brain barrier does not develope until 2-3 years old it is common sense for me to see that vaccines do play a HUGE role in autism cases and other auto-immune diseases alike. Look @ the CDC web site & then add all of the vaccines & ingredients up... it is more than the MMR & one ingredient.
omegachiLOA 2 years ago
Yes, this is called moving the goalpost. Whenever ideologues can't handle facts proving them wrong, they always alter their position to make it more & more unfalsifiable until it's utterly meaningless & they've created a claim so outrageous they've given no rational person a reason to believe it's true.
If no study has proven the link, then why so confident it exists at all?
And course, this still doesn't account for the fact that autism is just as common in unvaccinated populations.
mjr256 2 years ago
cont'd
And while superficially, one can say there are more vaccines now, the fact is that there are fewer antigens in those vaccines today than the generation before. So again, the vaccine hypothesis doesn't hold any water.
If all you've got is symptoms showing up around the same time kid's were vaccinated, something that can hardly even be called a coincidence given how many vaccines happen to be given within the 1st 2 years of life, same as autism symptoms appear, that's very convincing.
mjr256 2 years ago
cont'd
Oh, and thimerosal isn't even in the vaccines anymore, and haven't been in the vaccines for 8-9 years.
Get over it.
mjr256 2 years ago
You're wrong. They're still in. Go read the FDA's website. And in pet vaccines it's being replaced by cadmium. Neurologically Delicious.
VACTRUTH 2 years ago
Okay then. Which childhood vaccines in the U.S. contain thimerosal?
Here's the schedule:
cdc gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2010/10_0-6yrs-schedule-pr pdf
Name 1 childhood vaccine on the schedule that contains thimerosal.
The pdf even makes it easy. You can use the FIND function on top of the page to search for the word thimerosal on the page. It doesn't appear once.
mjr256 2 years ago
@VACTRUTH YEP! you are correct, you can go straight to the manufacturers web site and get the DR's (not patients- because they don't want to tell you anything) leaflet for each vaccination. Its interesting reading indeed. Hey! Try some Fetal bovine serum too! mmmm, another lovely ingredient in the MMR. Google it, and tell me you want this injected into your kids! :O
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
No thanks. I prefer to go to actual reputable sources than just Googling websites where anyone is free to say absolutely anything they want without having anyone fact-checking them. And as a matter of fact, no such ingredient is in the MMR. Try again.
cdc
gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1
pdf
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 I never suggested accepting everything you find on google. Lets put this into context since you like to take what I said out. I suggested googling an ingredient. One ingredient which if you google you will most likely find accurate info on. It is like somone suggesting to you to google strawberries and you saying that because it is off google that it is inacurrate info. Anyone with common sense would check their sources.
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
One ingredient that is in fact not in the vaccine if you go to a legitimate source for your research instead of taking random websites at their word. I presented you w/ a link to the CDC's ingredient list & your "ingredient" flat-out isn't there. Nor would it necessarily matter if it were since protein is protein & superficial feelings that some ingredient sounds gross has no baring on whether its harmful or not.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 I got that information (on ingredients) DIRECTLY from the manufacturer. Merck and Co. MMR leaflet (for doctors) last updated March 2010..... Regarding it just 'sounding gross' it is much more serious than that. As we do not know what is in FBS we cannot tell what (in a positive or negative result) was the precise benefit of the process or the material used. Or was it due to FBS? Ethical questions have also been raised regards the blood collection process of FBS.
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
Ok, found the insert you're referring to, the 1 that READS: "The cells, virus pools, and fetal bovine serum are all screened for the absence of adventitious agents." & of course since you in fact have no evidence that it's harmful, you think you can just shift the burden of proof w/ an argument from ignorance, saying "we do not know what is in FBS we cannot tell what (in a positive or negative result)." In other words, your dog ate your homework & your claim is pure evidence-free speculation.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 You are sadly mis-informed. There is definitely such an ingredient in the MMR. Certainly according to Merck and Co's list of ingredients in the doctors leaflet for MMR which was issued Issued March 2010..... You can get that from their site directly.
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
I guess you think that every reputable health organization on Earth is not as informed on this subject as you because they all squarely disagree w/ you and I have done nothing but defend their position w/o asserting of my own claims at all. Again, as a non-expert, I'd consider such speaking out of school as perverse & arrogant as an amateur student w/ no professional experience working in the field declaring they know better than those who have spent decades researching the matter.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 I have done a bit of poking around and it seems to me that I am not the only one of suspecting you of being a big pharma shill. There are other internationally recognised experts that share my view. All you have to do is look, so I think your claim about "every reputable health organization on Earth" is VERY exaggerated.... If you want a debate you really should go to a forum for that and not youtube!
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
Of course you're not the only one suspecting me of being a big pharma shill. McCarthyism is the only tactic anti-vaxxers have & they use it EVERY SINGLE TIME any1 disagrees w/ their thoroughly debunked claims. The fact that you can find a few fringe nuts who happen to have "Dr." in front of their name that reinforce your ideology is not a valid argument. One can find "doctors" who believe the world is flat & that tobacco doesn't cause cancer. So what? Where's the evidence?
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 Go and google Russell Baylock and see that they do still put thimerosal in vaccines not only that but other contaminants not to mention that most vaccines are produced in China that cant be regulated
hopey2540 1 year ago
@hopey2540
Yes, I'm already quite familiar w/ your cherry-picked "expert" who disagrees w/ every reputable medical organization in the world & who makes proclamations he has no evidence for. You're entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts & to your own experts.
Thimerosal hasn't been in any childhood vaccines in the U.S. in 8 years & has been removed from most vaccines in every other country as well. Which is besides the point as there's nothing harmful about it in the 1st place.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 Hey thats ok your entitled to your own oppinions as well, you go ahead and immunise you and your family, look back in years to come I would rather not pollute my body and that of my families to find out in a few years that they had added contaminates that cause cancer and the like the experience that I have seen and witnessed is the people that immunise end up sicker than the ones that dont so go ahead and believe the drug companies its your choice x
hopey2540 1 year ago
@hopey2540
The rational man makes decisions based on the best available evidence. The fool makes decisions based on the promise of future evidence.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 Rather be safe than sorry explain that to your children when it all comes out.... these pharmacutical companies only care about Eugenics each to their own I would rather build a natural healthy ammune system in my family than risk multiple vaccinations only to have them die early and there is plenty of evidence for cancer in younger and younger people all the time soooo go knock yourself out x
hopey2540 1 year ago
@hopey2540
That's an incomprehensible argument on many levels. You have no good reason to believe what you believe so you're just going to side w/ whoever scares you the most. And you've got it backwards. Over 200 years of evidence demonstrates both the safety & efficacy of vaccines. If you're going to go w/ a "better safe than sorry" gamble, then vaccines are your best bet. Fortunately, it's hardly a gamble at all. Vaccinating is like playing Russian roulette when the gun has no bullets.
mjr256 1 year ago
cont'd
And as for natural healthy immune system approach, that's precisely what vaccines are. They use dead or greatly weakened forms of a virus to stimulate your natural immune defenses. Medical treatments don't get more natural than that. So unless you're prepared to forsake clothing, sewage systems, computers, and all things unnatural, I'm calling BS on your faux-naturalism hippy nonsense.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 - I used to believe the same thing until I actually did EXTENSIVE SCIENTIFIC research (not just reading the papers or believing what I am told)! Hence the reason my child is vaccinated (but wont be from now on- unless they can be proven safe and effective!). You might want to review factual evidence before you try and prove a lie....
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
Extensive research...do tell. What university did you get your education? What's your degree & what's it in? What is your field? How many years have you been a professional working in that field? Or is this "extensive scientific research" from Google University and involve simply parroting any garbage you happen to read from Age of Autism, Mercola, NaturalNews, whale.to, etc, etc? Cause if so, you can spend 80 years "researching" & only come out less informed than you started.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 ok since you like to question anyone's honesty level who does not agree with you, I will answer you once; but refuse to get into a debate on youtube as this is not a forum nor the appropriate place. I am currently attenting a top university studying bio-ethics. I have also researched this issue since May 2007 and continue to do so. I assisted and researched in a high profile legal case (regarding this issue) based in the state of Fl from 2007-2010 (which was won). So how do YOU qualify?
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
I think you're confusing us. I have not presented my personal opinions, only the facts & consensus opinions of those most knowledgeable on the subject. I for one would consider it perverse & arrogant to simply assert my own medical opinions & insist they're correct. It seems to be YOU who questions the honesty of any1 who doesn't agree w/ your unsupported, fringe speculations. If the medical consensus discovered they were wrong tomorrow, I'd happily change my position accordingly.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 you never answered the question. You asked how I was qualified to have such an opinion. I told you my experience. I asked you the same. You never answered. Your statement about this being the "medical consensus" is again highly exaggerated as I can name a good few EXPERTS (one in particular I worked with and has 34 yrs in the medical field- licensed to practice in 3 different states and whom travels the world, published papers as an expert on this issue) who would disagree with you.
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
Further, my statement that every reputable health organization on Earth supports vaccination is anything but an exaggeration. It's a fact. If you disagree, point me to a reputable health org that doesn't. & no, Generation Rescue, NaturalNews & the NVIC are not reputable health orgs.
& I did answer your question. I said that like you, I'm not a working professional in a relevant field. This is why I don't offer my own opinions & stick to that of the consensus of experts.
mjr256 1 year ago
I don't believe that you are dealing with evidence you're dealing with ideology
dubified89 1 year ago
@mjr256 Thimerosal (or mercury) IS harmful! exposures to mercury compounds can damage the gastrointestinal tract, the nervous system, and the kidneys. and There are MANY experts who also believe in Dr Wakefields findings. His findings have been replicated in NO LESS than 5 other countries most recently Japan.
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
"Thimerosal (or mercury) IS harmful!"
Prove it. This claim has failed in both the court of science and the court of law. And there are 2 types of mercury, ETHYLmercury & METHYLmercury. The latter is found in fish, bioaccumulates & can be dangerous in high doses. The former is in thimerosal, doesn't bioaccumulate & is perfectly safe in the dosage used in vaccines. & there's more "mercury" in a tuna sandwich than any vaccine.
mjr256 1 year ago
cont'd
Further, not every "Dr." is an expert in a relevant field. Feel free to cite current professional infectious disease doctors who support Mr. Wakefield's fraudulent research & explain why you think an argument from authority, or rather from fringe authorities is more valid than actual empirical evidence? Tell me. If you find an "expert" who says tobacco is healthy, will that change the facts that it isn't?
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 The fact that autism happens in non-vaccinated populations does not mean that it doesn't come from enviromental toxins. and it isn't "just as common" as you say it is significantly lower.
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
@fluffycatluv
No, the fact it's in fact as frequent among the unvaccinated does. As does the fact that autism's 4 times more prevalent in boys than girls despite both getting the same vaccines on the same schedule; that if 1 identical twin has autism, the other twin has an 90% chance of also being autistic regardless of vaccination; that siblings of those w/ autism have a 50% chance of also being autistic regardless of vaccination & that NJ has 6 lowest vaccination in the U.S. but is #1 in ASD.
mjr256 1 year ago
@mjr256 to simplify it for you-not all cases are the same . it is a very diverse group of people . we do know that there is a genetic component - Fragile-X, for example. We also know that many children have mitochondrial dysfunction. And..., many children are "immunocompromised" or "vulnerable" and, in some cases, the vaccines were the "straw that broke the camels back". So, regardless, we know that vaccines are not the only cause. We're still looking for answers . toxins come in many forms.
fluffycatluv 1 year ago
Medical experts HAVE investigated the possible role of vaccines in autism. The investigation's over & it's concluded that no link exists. And every reputable medical institution in the world agrees.
Autism is no more common in vaccinated populations than unvaccinated populations & Andrew Wakefield is a child abuser. So get over yourself and accept reality.
4-week-old Dana McCaffery is dead because of people like you.
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mjr256 2 years ago
@mjr256 You're painfully ignorant and only regurgitate the talking points of mainstream news and the AMA, AAP.
I hear no mention of you talking about Paul Offit's Rotavirus vaccine recently being implicate in recombining in an unvaxed sibling. Nor do we hear any answers or sound advice from medical professionals.
Tell us: If vaccines cause neurological damage, why are no tests performed before and after vaccination to ensure neurological integrity of the child?
Answer: You don't.
VACTRUTH 2 years ago
The AMA & AAP are among the most reputable medical organizations in the world. If I shouldn't be listening to them, then who should I be listening to? Celebrities? Internet ideologues on the payroll of bogus autism supplement companies? Disgraced doctors who abuse children?
Rotavirus has undeniably saved thousands of lives. It's well tested & not linked to serious harm. Trying to poison the well by throwing any feces at vaccines you read from propaganda sites is not a valid argument.
mjr256 2 years ago
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pinknonsense 2 years ago