Bach Passacaglia in C minor BWV 582 on a Carillon (bell) 1/2

[monoamiga]

WWWWOOWWWW is it really possible!?!? I was totally impressed particularly by those ornaments!!!

[MassimoBacilieri]

Woah! W*O*N*D*E*R*F*U*L!!!

That's incredible.

[rauschquint]

The part starting at 5:40 is just amazing!

[OrganPianoMusic]

I first thought that this piece is played on an organ but the moment I saw the full title i was etremely impressed! I never thought that this is possible!!!!! Thats amazing!! Great performance!

[PiotrPawlak84]

Absolutely fabulous. Avesome and Amaizing and briliant :) Greetings from Warsaw :)

[virginiaorganbuilder]

Stunning! I would never have imagined such a transcription was possible, let alone in such a successful manner. I wish Bach could have heard it!

[piroprio]

simply astonishing!

GREAT!

[thejugglenaut91]

those people in the back are enduring the most brutal mind fuck of their lives...

[hindsight1820]

Wish I could be there in person. I too was moved to tears.

[vohu57]

Whaaouuuuu !!!!

[fordtruxdad]

I'm sitting here weeping at the beauty and absolute mastery of this. Abolutely astounding. Thanks for posting.

[BenjaminNicholaus]

That would sound so awesome on Halloween!!

[PariahOlympics]

the bells give it an echo-y haunted feel......glorious.

[POrotterdam]

Beautiful! Thank you for posting!

[jimbobboyorganist]

Nice arrangement...impressive and unbelieveably beautiful technique! Deserves to be posted--Thank you

[ARoyalLyon]

Wow, this instrument looks hard to play, yet he does the trills and grace notes with ease. Excellent performance!

Is this at the Oudekerk? I stayed near there in 1995 and listened to the carillon play the whole time. It was beautiful, even from blocks away.

[sailingforde04]

Inventive .... but I prefer the organ !

[foreverAbby]

My aunt plays this

very impressive

[pipeorganloverNJP]

I'd probably lose more weight than I have if I were to move like that. Whew. That guy has some talent. And I thought playing the organ was hard enough. Anyway, this was a lot better than I had anticipated.

[1401JSC]

Very impressive!

Went to his web site.

He has a Transportable Carilion of 2800 kilos!

[kknots]

I didn't even know hat instrument ever existed.

[advisorC101]

Its still the most delicious work of Bach to me. Wonderful.

[schneckenturm]

I have no problem with the instrument. The performance is wonderful. But what I really miss is the last C major chord -what a pity! It is cut off without any sensitivity

greetings from Germany

Uli M.

[sigurjonv02]

This piece was written for organ and clearly not for bells. As it goes, this man is very good at his bellspiel, but essentially the piece is for organ and does not enjoy it's potential, simply because the bellspiel does not introduce the broad variety of the pipeorgan.

Not to be negative towards this performance (and it is played as well as possible on such an instrument), but the organ version is clearly better.

[m173627]

dude calm down. yes, everyone knows its written for organ, but this is different. you can have millions of people play it on organ, but it will NEVER sound like this.

[sigurjonv02]

Well, I wasn't really angry, just pointing out that even though this guy is clearly good, the piece isn't right for this type of instrument. I would be really interested to hear some compositions that were made for Carillon.

[m173627]

well, there's plenty on youtube

have fun!

[1401JSC]

By the same arguments, you shouldn't play Bach organ pieces on modern organs as the sounds are not as they were in Baroque times.

Or indeed, no piano students should play his 48 preludes and fugues, because they were written for a harpsichord (mostly).

[sigurjonv02]

I don't see how that is comparable. The Carillon is a totally different instrument from the organ, despite all arguments that today's organs sound differently. Also, I am not sure that organs in baroque times sounded that differently from those today, mostly because most church organs today are quite old and even from that time with the only modification that an electric motor blows the pipes.

[sigurjonv02]

Also, the harpsichord is the predecessor of pianos and Bach could simply not have written pieces for piano, because the piano wasn't invented until after his death. It is true that the harpsichord is different from a piano, but the piano is a more complex instrument and can actually cover pieces written for harpsichord, whereas the carillon is a very simple instrument and unable to cover organ pieces as well as the piano covers harpsichord pieces...

[PimpinBassie2]

Wrong. Bach's Musical Offering contain pieces written for piano. Search for Ricercar a 3.

[sigurjonv02]

I admit that I was misinformed about the piano being invented before Bachs death. Indeed the piano had existed for 50 years before his death.

Nevertheless, the argument stands that it is quite possible to play harpsichord pieces on the piano, but much harder to do vice versa.

Thank you for correcting me Pimpin...

[Heinemannorgel]

Ein Meister seiner Kunst

Hervorragend, würde das gern mal an Ort und Stelle hören !

[IrmaZwart1]

This is really awesome:P

[eethove]

Amazing!

[SieglindeMoos]

this is cool, but it hurts my ears.

[TheEmpireBuilder]

This is so awsome. I'm entranced by it. It's almost like this was written for the carillon instead of pipe organ. The bass line lends itself well for this. An excellent piece that I keep coming back to.

[lestreian]

amazing!! beautiful sound..

[OpenCadence78]

Incredible!

This recording has a sort of momentum that I really haven't heard in any other recordings of this piece. Is that because of the player's style, or use of the bells?

Absolutely fabulous. Thanks to whomever posted this.

[wormization]

You are welcome. I personally believe that it's both.

You should check out the same player (Boudewijn Zwart) playing chaconne I posted just a month ago and decide whether you like it as well

[Dirkovic80]

@OpenCadence78

i think the reason why u think u never heard it this way is cause the carillon uses bells that get "beaten" so u got more the effect of a staccato sound (which sounds more clearly + u can play piano and forte . i think on the organ u cant do that, except by changing the reg.), in the passacaglia it sounds nice i have 2 admit , but the end of the fugue sounds way better on the organ for example

the negative thing on bells is that u cant hold a tone as u can do on the organ

[Dirkovic80]

@OpenCadence78

i dont want to degrade the player, i think this interpretation is very nice , and he must be skillfull that obvious

but i dont think that he is a better bach interpreter than karl richter was

you can find several uploads of richters interpretations of that piece on the organ

here one of my favourite:

/watch?v=E6VgpvJKuWM&nofeather­=True

(its only the fugue part , cause i cant watch the passacalia-upload in my country ...)

[ttwiligh7]

@Dirkovic80 I have never liked Richter version, for I think he sacrificed the structure, the most important part of the piece for his dramatic expression. To me this is better because every bell has the same tone. Many organist destroy its true beauty by unthoughtful resistrations. There are many disadvantages in the carillon of course, yet I fully appreciate the attempt. By the way, I like Walcha best for the organ version.

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

hi

first of all i have to say that i also like this on carillon very much

but especially the passacaglia is full of notes which you have to hold very long ,you cant do so on the carillon (its allways like on a piano...)

to the organists

i know walchas intepretation, but i think for example no1 play the fugues finale as godlike as richter did

the passacalia is a matter of taste

i like stammes performance of the passacalia most

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

/watch?v=gWakfufLMbQ (passcalia by stamm)

/watch?v=E6VgpvJKuWM (fugue by richter)

he creates such a huge tension by the way he plays the final waves (sounds like god blows with a trombone directly in your face ... make you feel the whole world is shaking)

for example when stamm plays the fugues finale it sound a bit hasty (takes out the drive)

walcha matches it better than stamm but not as godlike as richter did

this is my opinion

[ttwiligh7]

@Dirkovic80 The structure of this masterpiece is deeper than Richter's understandings, or at least his expressions. That's how I honestly feel. He is good at some moments, but not at the whole thing where Walcha made the whole sense to me.

Well, everybody has a hero, and in my case, Walcha is the best.

Anyway, I enjoy this very much. There is a certain atomsphere only those bells could create and that is the most important part.

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

no you just seem to like what mozart used to call a "pure mechanicus" ...

go look what i answer to your asian friend on the walcha video , i gues youre with him , cause you sound exactly like him

kindof funny when asians or amerikans try to judge about german music style

and i say once more, no organist is a hero to me but he got me respect and especially richter

the hero is bach who created it

i dont glorify glenn gould and co.

[ttwiligh7]

@Dirkovic80 You are rude. I just shared my opinion. That's all.

And why should I care how you answered to a different person? I'll never say something like that to you.

Bringing up nationalities, grouping people, and saying Americans and Asians judging German music are funny, you sounds quite discriminative.

I like German, but have no trust on such a statement.

If you talk logically, I will listen.

This isn't even an argument.

And who mentioned Glenn Gould here?

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

well you are messed up ignorant and respectless

when you say

"The structure of this masterpiece is deeper than Richter's understandings "

this no opinion this is the sentence of a messed up smart ass

who are you to judge if richter understood bach or not ?

you said exactly the same likeyour friend , and you did read our conversation 1000 bucks on it

if you dont get how messed up and respectless you rlly are ^

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

i am not discriminative, but i think its kinof funny when non germans try to judge abbout our culture etc

what you implete (as you friend ) in your sentence is , that you think youre smarter (and somehow better) than richter

the one beeing discriminative is just you

i dont know by whom your possed that you think you can judge musicans from beyond , as if you were something better

its one thing to say "i dont like richter" but "richter doesnt get bach intellect" is messed up

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

well richter was something like gelnn gould for the organ (but he was even better than gould )

richter played bachs greatness and respect

gould or koopman ? they play for one man shows

and when gould got celebrated by the tonedeaf americans (who love 1 man shows and not deep music )

he stated even messed up comments like

"MOZART DIED TOO LATE"

is messed up words that what comes out of a good musician ?

i dont think so and i never like gould

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

im really no here to "insult any" but if you insult richter i have to tell you that its messed up

people who didnt achieve anything close to what richter did shouldnt judge about his "Intellect"

because: who are those people to judge so ?

(i would also never judge about other people, because my opinion is not supposed to be the truth)

i say for example koopman does way too many flourishes (showing tonedeaf people he is master)

gould moved and sang like it were his compositions

[Dirkovic80]

Auf dieses Video antworten... 

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

i hope you understand what i want to say (its hard for me to argue in eng.)

there are too many people of today which think they get , or they have to make other people think they are getting bachs intellect

but isnt it the reason why their music is so divine ? because we dont understand how humans could do this

if we have so many smartasses around here why is there no1 who can compose pieces who come even close to bch or mozart ?

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

and btw if you want the source for mozart talking about "mechanicus"

look up mozart letters about the competition with clementi

clementi didnt want to play for greater audiences any more after he heared about that

and he tried to play less mechanic (means, he accepted mozarts opinion as true; clementi even told one of his pupils that he played very "mechanic" before the competition with mozart)

[ttwiligh7]

@Dirkovic80 I still think Walcha had deeper understanding of the piece. I have a right to prefer one player to the other by such a reasoning.

However, I might have said too far. My apologies.

I have a couple of requests, now.

1 Don't bring up "friend" again whoever you mean, please.

2 Try to make a room for others. This is basically a page for poeple who love to listen to this. I'm trying to make each replies as simple as possibe for that reason.

Now, let's have a break.

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7 deeper understanding yeah whatever you think hehe i dont think youre really in position to jude about who is "understanding this piece or not" -messed up^ let me answer: 1. "we can still be friends" was a paraphrase for what i wrote before ^ 2. you asked for an explanation, i need more space for explaining accurately than you need for your defarming of richter ^ i could also make it easy for me and write walcha was a mechanicus compared to richter still, good day my friend xD

[ttwiligh7]

@Dirkovic80 Oh, I'm terribly sorry, for "friend" , I mean, you mentioned about other person, didn't you? I mean that person you are reffering to. I don't mean to be mean to you at all. And i'm willing to take your critic.. Maybe you are right about judging the depth of understandings.

But I still like Walcha much better. I have to be honest as a music lover. Hope you feel alright about me.

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

i never said all have to like richters interpretation most

i said myself personally i like stamms passcalia most

but richters fugue

it was only the way you said it

you have to have a good taste if you like the passaclia that much

thats what i know

but we modern people are way too fast if it comes to judge the past

its like poem analysis, somehow you can interpret everything you want into anything

the question is was it really the artists intention, or do we only think to know

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwili

btw. that other person was insulting richter (on the walcha video) , you didnt say it that sharp as he did

messed up sound like an insult , but every1 is sometimes messed up in his believes

its human

its the question if you think your the allknowing (as this guy was) or if you accept others criticism if its correct (as you)

thats why i excused my self for my (a bit) harsh first answer

-smart people dont need to pretend or implete to be smart-

ok i will listen to walch. pass. now^

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

im playing this piece for my self on the organ atm (when i did my last comment i didnt start play organ yet)

and when i played it i never got the same dramatic sense then richter hits but the last month i realized that its slight rhythmic changes to the "ordinary" as you vary the pace on the harpischord to make it more intense .

hard to explain it on english ^

just listen closely to it mb you will have the same opinion after

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

the goal of composers was to imitate voices (choirs) on the piano/organ/cembalo as cantabile forms

not to play like a mechanic roboter

(if you like this , then computers would be the best organists .. but computers are always worser then humans because they can give spirit into it )

richter expresses every voice so beautifull, it really sounds like a big choir

and btw you have to be aware that richters audios are very old and richter played not as muchpleno as many others

[Dirkovic80]

@ttwiligh7

this is why many people dont like richters passcalia , because he doesnt play it in pleno

but this is again a matter of taste

richter wanted to make this piece " a (bible) little story "

here listen to this for example and watch some of the comments mb

/watch?v=STij8KmsgcI&feature=c­hannel_video_title

this organist plays in richters style (its better audio quality)

ok once again , my intention is rlly not insulting but i had to defend richter on this one

we can still be friends^

[igh85]

divine

[maidestone]

Fabulous, fabulous transcription and performance that capture the very spirit of this masterpiece. Thanks a million for the posting.

[bastiorgel]

in wich church is this?

[gideonbodden]

Holland, Amsterdam, Westertoren (tower of the West Church)

[DonCarillone]

Respect voor de Meester!

[tyuru2]

wow i didnt know that church bells work like that

[1BODGER95]

not all do. this is just a prime example of european bells. this is called a carillon.

in England we ring our bells by hanging them on wheels and swinging them with ropes from rooms below. all around the world bells are rung differently.

[misha1479]

wonderful. LOVED it. i have been collecting transcriptions of the passacaglia... anyone know of any other interesting ones ? please let me know...

[kelsiejackson]

This is absolutely INCREDIBLE. What a magnificent idea, and a monumental piece for it.

[Orgelix]

Wow! Great! The Passacaglia is one of my JSB's favourite music pieces!

[tiarca]

est ce que c'est daniel ROTH qui joue

l'organiste de St Sulpice

[JRMeijin]

brilliant

[donnadw]

Wow. Amazing and beautiful and sublime- thanks for posting.

[juliengracq31]

Je ne savais pas que Daniel Cohn-Bendit était sonneur de carillon ^^

[tyuru2]

nan des ka?

[george473a]

brilliant performance

one of my favourite ever pieces

i've performed this as part of a wind band, with a special arrangement done for us last year, which we then played in the thomaskirche in leipzig over bach's grave... amazing experience

[PrinceIpal8]

Stunning!

[ludwig123456789]

Wow--- what a superb performance!!!!!!! Just wish the sound engineering was somewhat better but bells are difficult to record.

What size is the bourdon on this instrument? I have played this on a 61 Bell instrument with a ten ton boudon and know how difficult this is even without attempting it on the Carillon.  You must have been exhausted by the time you finished.

Bill, Composer, Carillonneur and conductor.

[alra1975]

L'intonazione naturale conferisce un'aura sublime, ultraterrena... Meraviglioso.

[Quicksilver0147]

wow what instrument is?

[tockoriusoschael]

¡Lástima que falta la parte final!

Maravilloso. Uno siempre espera más cuando está bien tocado, por supuesto. Ojalá puedan publicar la versión completa.

Thank you, very much!

[motor2joe]

Truely awesome performance AND artistically MUSICAL; it's not just notes, yet it's a very difficult feat! THANKS very much for sharing this beauty and talent!

[DaddyBear1955]

Bravo!!!

[paranormaalutrecht]

very beautiful! :)

[nejatarn]

I've been looking all over YouTube for the Passacaglia as played on ORGAN, and of course, after many fruitless searches, I am treated to something EVEN BETTER!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!!!!!! Now, where is the ENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!

[octave4]

Awxond section is here - the fugue. Just below in the playlist.

[poppyline]

Ma cos'è sta stronzata?

[1singlet]

That is really good!

[purp1ehaze]

Very very cool. Sounds better on the pedal harpsichord though :)

[ilshatt]

Where can i get de Harpsichord recording of this Passacaglia and Fugue?

thank you

[snakeinthegrass20]

pedal harpsichord ??? you mean an organ LOL!!!!

[silenceofthenite]

not necessarilly, jackass

[octave4]

You can get your point across without the language. Regardless of what you know and how you feel about other comments we can always be proper in behavior.

[Handel3]

I yes I have a pedal harpsichord and a piano with a special pedal keyboard made in italy

[microdori]

Maybe a doppio-Borgato from Lonigo (Vicenza)?

[Ciloster82]

Bravo!

[gladisknightszz]

that guy looks like Anthony Newman (but is a much better player as far as I know)

[qudolph]

sweeeet.

[ivantheczar]

cool~

where is part 2??