Sorry, I know it's none of my bussiness and I'll leave you, but it's exactly this sort of pointless bullshitting and namedropping ("I trained with Higionna", "I shook hands Sensei Myazato") that really gets to me. My experience is that the more talk, the less the karate. Now, please continue.
yah, I get kinda annoyed with that also, but I don't really think either of us were doing it as a qualification sort of way, or I'm better then you because I trained with whomever, etc. And again, this is just a debate, and I don't think its just pointless bullshitting, its an interesting arguement to me.
one thing I just realized now though is that svaran and I should be doing this over private messaging instead of the comments section here...lol, sorry people.
Dude, I was one of a group of a 100 that he held the gashku with it all kyu grades were included. I didn't mean for you to construe that it was a one on one session. And with all due respect this doesn't really concern you.
again, fucking love seeing this video...Ryouki Abe almost makes me wanna cry when I see him perform, he's so focus, relaxed, and his mind is so clear and zen like...beautiful. Anyone know where to find more of his vids, message me please. So far I believe I only have vids of him performing this, seisan, seipai, and saifa...
are you going to post the seipai and saifa kata's as I've a student thats doing those kata's and Suparinpei and Seisan for the oceania champs. I've been using them as a demo of the level she has to strive for.
just google for Ryouki Abe and you'll find the vids...and what? You still don't consider Goju Ryu a somewhat soft style even though it's called Go "JU"?
No I don't I've trained Kyokoshinkai and with shotokhan exponents before I started goju, I find goju kata's powerful and fluid, with alot of emphasis on internal strength as well as external more so than the japanese styles. Some of the lines as in in toru guchi blocks are circular and maybe seen as soft but thats about it.
I'm still having trouble understanding your problem with with Goju being considered a somewhat soft style, because "The system is based on a concept that hard and stiff is not good, however all soft and gentle can be equally harmful. The two should complement each other." - from GojuRyu.net
and if you see only the "Go" aspects and not the "Ju" of Goju Ryu, then you are only seeing half of the whole art. Again, I don't understand how you cannot see the basic meaning and concept of the art of Goju, especially if you are a teacher of it.
I understand what goju means, as for your inability to understand my perception of goju not being a soft style. Thats got more to do with you than me. I've done seessions with Higioanna sensei and nothing he does is soft. Some of its is very fluid and fast and slow as in circular and less linear. I consider shotokhan a soft style despite it's snappy techniques and kyokoshinkai a less technical style though a very good fighting style.
"Some of its is very fluid and fast and slow as in circular and less linear" and those are considered soft or "Ju" techniques. Goju is not just a soft style...its hard and soft, its in the name. But can be considered a softer style when comparing to Shotokan because their style is almost purely hard, with manly linear and external techniques...that's basically what I'm getting at.
and if you asked Mario Higaonna Sensei if he considered Goju a somewhat soft style, then I'd think he'd agree with me, considering it's called Goju Ryu. I've also met and trained with Meitatsu Yagi Sensei, and he's a "hard" and strong guy, but if doing a kata like Seienchin or Tensho, he'll be "soft" and relaxed, using less external strenght and more internal.
"using less external strenght and more internal." Which is why I don't consider Goju despite its hard soft name a soft style. Aside from Tensho kata that is.
goju is more oriented towards self-defence and personal development.
Also, It is called hard-soft-style because there should always be a smooth and fluent defense to a powerful attack. And vice versa, an attack should always be strong and effective in result, but fluent in execution.
finally found the full video of this...another Ryouki Abe video for my collection, hehe...his technique is basically flawless. Best tournament performer I've ever seen.
Same, I believe mental attitude and effort should be what makes a better kata, not the abilty to perfom flashier moves. This guy shoulda come 1st because of that.
Shotokan katas always have the advantage for tournaments, I got beaten a lot by them when I used to compete...that's why I think kata competitions are basically pointless, especially when you compare different katas, it's hard to say what's better then what. Though I learned Unsu and Bassai Dai, and they are fun katas to perform though...they're more of a crowd pleaser then the softer Goju katas.
how so? considering how Goju means "hard soft"...majority of the katas are somewhat soft, especially compared to other styles of karate like Shotokan. And if you compare this kata performance to the Shotokan performance it lost to, Unsu. You'll see that almost 80% of the techniques done in this kata are considered "soft" techniques, like the mawashi uke, kake uke, etc.
Every techniques used in Suparinpei, is supposed to demonstrate core strength as well as correct corrallating breathing techniques and very high level of basic skills. You saw a soft kata I saw an excellent powerful demonstration of kata, excellent alignment of shoulders, hands moving in tandem with body and feet giving full power in all his techniques. The techniques can appear soft but Suparinpei certainly can't be called soft if done properly.
Chill dude. Openminded just meant that goju kata's (and most shurite katas) are more fluent and have also a lot more slow, "torqued" moves as opposed to the shotokan hard, quick and linear katas (the shurite katas). He wasn't criticising the goju katas. "Soft", by the way, is not a bad description, since goju means hard-soft.
exactly, and when we say soft, it doesn't mean weak...but the word "ju" translate to soft, gentle, or fluid. Which can mean using more internal energy rather than physical strength or using our opponents energy against themselves rather than forcing or powering over them. I'm a Goju stylist, so don't be offended or anything when I say our style is considered softer then the harder styles of karate like Shotokan, cause it is, that doesn't mean it's weaker though.
yah, I saw the same thing, but again, the majority of techniques in Suparinpei are considered soft. Most open hand and circular movements are considered soft techniques, compared to hard closed fisted linear techniques. Soft or Ju doesn't mean weak, though people with a western thought process may think that.
Were all taught to do things differently by our teachers so any comments I make on form will be invalid, but besides that...
That was a fucking exellent Suparinpei! not too much tension like I was taught but still very fluid, good speed and I could also tell that he was pleased with his performance at the end. Just exellent. 5 stars.
Incredible snap! Some of the best I've seen.
edge3220 9 months ago
I love Suparinpei! Suparinpei is one of the best kata ever. And this guy know how to do it! He´s amazing!!!
Lolitta351 1 year ago
THIS GUY IS AMAZING!!!!
DAMN!!
Mocktezuma111 2 years ago
Excellent
detvanbateria 3 years ago 3
The first three moves in the original are slow but strong. Other than that, beautifully done.
InfernoX880 3 years ago
That was amazing. I've never seen this done in real life but watching this video I can tell why its the most advanced Goju Ryu Kata.
crane2022 4 years ago
watching this kata demonstrated bought very happy tears to my eyes. lovely kata - strong performance.
it has been nearly 20 years since my last kata.
a12449404 4 years ago
Very talented. He know what he is doing. Very strong and quik punches. Nice...
Schwibbmaster 4 years ago
I don`t know Goju, but this kata looked great.
Derukugi2 5 years ago
Super Supar. What ryu? Many thanks.
mambonumber9 5 years ago
What in God's name are you arguing about? Vocabulary? Get a life.
houtmeyers 5 years ago
sorry, we're just having a little debate here, nothing wrong with that really...so please, try not to be rude
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
Sorry, I know it's none of my bussiness and I'll leave you, but it's exactly this sort of pointless bullshitting and namedropping ("I trained with Higionna", "I shook hands Sensei Myazato") that really gets to me. My experience is that the more talk, the less the karate. Now, please continue.
houtmeyers 5 years ago
yah, I get kinda annoyed with that also, but I don't really think either of us were doing it as a qualification sort of way, or I'm better then you because I trained with whomever, etc. And again, this is just a debate, and I don't think its just pointless bullshitting, its an interesting arguement to me.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
one thing I just realized now though is that svaran and I should be doing this over private messaging instead of the comments section here...lol, sorry people.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
Dude, I was one of a group of a 100 that he held the gashku with it all kyu grades were included. I didn't mean for you to construe that it was a one on one session. And with all due respect this doesn't really concern you.
svaran 5 years ago
again, fucking love seeing this video...Ryouki Abe almost makes me wanna cry when I see him perform, he's so focus, relaxed, and his mind is so clear and zen like...beautiful. Anyone know where to find more of his vids, message me please. So far I believe I only have vids of him performing this, seisan, seipai, and saifa...
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
are you going to post the seipai and saifa kata's as I've a student thats doing those kata's and Suparinpei and Seisan for the oceania champs. I've been using them as a demo of the level she has to strive for.
svaran 5 years ago
just google for Ryouki Abe and you'll find the vids...and what? You still don't consider Goju Ryu a somewhat soft style even though it's called Go "JU"?
mmablog 5 years ago
No I don't I've trained Kyokoshinkai and with shotokhan exponents before I started goju, I find goju kata's powerful and fluid, with alot of emphasis on internal strength as well as external more so than the japanese styles. Some of the lines as in in toru guchi blocks are circular and maybe seen as soft but thats about it.
svaran 5 years ago
I'm still having trouble understanding your problem with with Goju being considered a somewhat soft style, because "The system is based on a concept that hard and stiff is not good, however all soft and gentle can be equally harmful. The two should complement each other." - from GojuRyu.net
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
and if you see only the "Go" aspects and not the "Ju" of Goju Ryu, then you are only seeing half of the whole art. Again, I don't understand how you cannot see the basic meaning and concept of the art of Goju, especially if you are a teacher of it.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
I understand what goju means, as for your inability to understand my perception of goju not being a soft style. Thats got more to do with you than me. I've done seessions with Higioanna sensei and nothing he does is soft. Some of its is very fluid and fast and slow as in circular and less linear. I consider shotokhan a soft style despite it's snappy techniques and kyokoshinkai a less technical style though a very good fighting style.
svaran 5 years ago
"Some of its is very fluid and fast and slow as in circular and less linear" and those are considered soft or "Ju" techniques. Goju is not just a soft style...its hard and soft, its in the name. But can be considered a softer style when comparing to Shotokan because their style is almost purely hard, with manly linear and external techniques...that's basically what I'm getting at.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
and if you asked Mario Higaonna Sensei if he considered Goju a somewhat soft style, then I'd think he'd agree with me, considering it's called Goju Ryu. I've also met and trained with Meitatsu Yagi Sensei, and he's a "hard" and strong guy, but if doing a kata like Seienchin or Tensho, he'll be "soft" and relaxed, using less external strenght and more internal.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
"using less external strenght and more internal." Which is why I don't consider Goju despite its hard soft name a soft style. Aside from Tensho kata that is.
svaran 5 years ago
goju is more oriented towards self-defence and personal development.
Also, It is called hard-soft-style because there should always be a smooth and fluent defense to a powerful attack. And vice versa, an attack should always be strong and effective in result, but fluent in execution.
ursacheundwirkung 4 years ago
finally found the full video of this...another Ryouki Abe video for my collection, hehe...his technique is basically flawless. Best tournament performer I've ever seen.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
Wow that is AWSOME....
ronryu 5 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgGZXwlE0Ck <- this is the 1st place...
but i prefer the suparinpei
Tobby22 5 years ago
I do too.
houtmeyers 5 years ago
Same, I believe mental attitude and effort should be what makes a better kata, not the abilty to perfom flashier moves. This guy shoulda come 1st because of that.
Ansatsuken 5 years ago
Shotokan katas always have the advantage for tournaments, I got beaten a lot by them when I used to compete...that's why I think kata competitions are basically pointless, especially when you compare different katas, it's hard to say what's better then what. Though I learned Unsu and Bassai Dai, and they are fun katas to perform though...they're more of a crowd pleaser then the softer Goju katas.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
Goju Kata's aren't soft.
svaran 5 years ago
how so? considering how Goju means "hard soft"...majority of the katas are somewhat soft, especially compared to other styles of karate like Shotokan. And if you compare this kata performance to the Shotokan performance it lost to, Unsu. You'll see that almost 80% of the techniques done in this kata are considered "soft" techniques, like the mawashi uke, kake uke, etc.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
Every techniques used in Suparinpei, is supposed to demonstrate core strength as well as correct corrallating breathing techniques and very high level of basic skills. You saw a soft kata I saw an excellent powerful demonstration of kata, excellent alignment of shoulders, hands moving in tandem with body and feet giving full power in all his techniques. The techniques can appear soft but Suparinpei certainly can't be called soft if done properly.
svaran 5 years ago
Chill dude. Openminded just meant that goju kata's (and most shurite katas) are more fluent and have also a lot more slow, "torqued" moves as opposed to the shotokan hard, quick and linear katas (the shurite katas). He wasn't criticising the goju katas. "Soft", by the way, is not a bad description, since goju means hard-soft.
houtmeyers 5 years ago
exactly, and when we say soft, it doesn't mean weak...but the word "ju" translate to soft, gentle, or fluid. Which can mean using more internal energy rather than physical strength or using our opponents energy against themselves rather than forcing or powering over them. I'm a Goju stylist, so don't be offended or anything when I say our style is considered softer then the harder styles of karate like Shotokan, cause it is, that doesn't mean it's weaker though.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
yah, I saw the same thing, but again, the majority of techniques in Suparinpei are considered soft. Most open hand and circular movements are considered soft techniques, compared to hard closed fisted linear techniques. Soft or Ju doesn't mean weak, though people with a western thought process may think that.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
2nd place? who the hell could do better than that?
Do you have that vid? If so please post it.
Just want to say how amazing this guy is again.
Ansatsuken 5 years ago
Excellent kata performance, precise and powerful. Is that Sakimoto? Excuse the spelling if its incorrect.
svaran 5 years ago
no it's not mine, it's a video from 1996 world championship. He gots 2nd place with this suparinpei..
Tobby22 5 years ago
Ryouke Abe
malasangre 5 years ago
After watching the video again I feel I must congradulate you again, This is truly inspiring.
Is this your kata Tobby22? If so your fucking amazing.
I'm favouriting this by the way. Its just so...WOW!
Ansatsuken 5 years ago
Were all taught to do things differently by our teachers so any comments I make on form will be invalid, but besides that...
That was a fucking exellent Suparinpei! not too much tension like I was taught but still very fluid, good speed and I could also tell that he was pleased with his performance at the end. Just exellent. 5 stars.
Ansatsuken 5 years ago