Oiran Dochu. "Geisha" Parade. Edo Wonderland.

[Lovejoyfanatic]

OIRAN NO GEISHA STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE

[blackstarsky]

DrPleishner stop being a douche bag and get rid of the "geisha" on the title....its pissing everybody off...

[DrPleishner]

@blackstarsky Why pissing off? It's quite funny to read your entertainer-vs-prostitute discussion. Again - it's not my definition. People in Nikko called her this way. I'm selling it for what I bought. I suggest you complain to Edo Wonderland management

[eyeblazer]

@DrPleishner I thought only oiran did the parade?

[splendidwren]

I wonder if it gets annoying having to walk like that

[juice8624]

@splendidwren no she gets drunk and its easy for her

[MsKrishtina]

THAT IS NOT A GEISHA! That is a woman dressed up as an oiran, an old fashioned high class prostitute. Calling an oiran a geisha is like calling a porn star a Hollywood starlet. It's an insult.

[antiphlox]

@panda84

i ask why not?!

[Kairin777]

I really want to see this on my own

[GirlRobotK]

wow que parafernalia para una mujer de lujo , me encantan sus plataformas lol . kawaiii ;3

[cobaltwill215]

Oiran and Geisha are very different and easy to tell apart in my opinion. Geisha or (Geiko) seem to have less elaborate hairstyles and Kimono. They also tie the Obi in the back and their top Kimono is not open. Oiran have more elaborate hairstyles, the Obi is tied in the front and their top Kimono is open, the colors they both wear are different in my opinion

[DrPleishner]

Because everybody knows what geisha is and only a few people know what oiran is. It's easier for people to understand what this parade is about. I'm not sure how double quotes can make something funny.

[Yumypop]

@DrPleishner Then you should just explain the people what an Oiran is, a high class prostitute.

[DrPleishner]

I guess we got it resolved already. This is why Geisha is in quotes.

[angelparfait]

The main point of this parade really didn't come from showing off the women as wares, but because it was believed that looking upon them brought good fortune.

[PrincessAki2009]

Oiran/Tayuus are high priced Courtesan/prostitues. Geishas come from the oiran but they do more with art than Oirans do without the prostitute part.

[DrPleishner]

Reading your comment made me go to Wikipedia and check out what Oiran is. It looks like you are right. I copied this description directly from the Edo Wonderland guide.

[osbourn15]

Many people say that about that pamphlet. I wish they would put the correct information on it.

[osbourn15]

Oiran and Geisha are completely different things.

Very interesting to watch though.

[freacls]

it is Geishas and Oiran are both very pretty but Aurther Golding made out they were the same no wonders the geishas hit the roof in rage

[Discordia5]

@freacls How did Arthur Golden make geisha the same as oiran? Have you seen actual Japanese movies about geisha? "The Geisha" is a well respected film that depicts a life of sexual slavery. In Japanese society, having sex with someone for money does not automatically make one a simple prostitute. Westerners see geisha as chaste, but their lifestyle (heavy drinking, subordination to men, pressure to attract clientele) makes it hard for me to buy that. They're human.

[LittleMadPyro]

@Discordia5

What freacls meant was that Golden explicitly stated mizuage was selling a maiko's virginity for money (which is actually true).

If you actually knew anything about geisha (or oiran), you wouldn't be calling them mere sex slaves.

[Discordia5]

@LittleMadPyro If you actually bothered to read what I said, you wouldn't be saying I would call them mere sex slaves. You took my words completely out of context and I don't appreciate you implying that I'm uneducated when you can't even properly comprehend my simple paragraph.

[LittleMadPyro]

@Discordia5

I did read your comment, but perhaps I need to explain your own words to you? Or is it because your English is so bad that you are just misunderstood?

According to you, an accurate Japanese movie about geisha shows a life of sexual slavery. Obviously, you were talking about geisha here.

You also said: since in Japanese society, having sex for money does not make one a simple whore, it's okay for geisha to do it since they have to attract men anyway. 

[Discordia5]

@LittleMadPyro I was responding to the accusation that Arther Golden equated oiran with geisha when he wrote about mizuage, and I tried to imply mizuage didn't not make someone a whore. I was also referring to "The Geisha" (1983) a film that won innumerable awards in and outside of Japan. It's not exactaly a scholarly source- the point was that Golden was not distastefully sensationalizing the profession, and I highly doubt his book would have raised a single eyebrow in Japan.

[Discordia5]

@LittleMadPyro -1 "respected' lol... have you even ever seen "The Geisha"? Try reading any one of those books I cited and tell me they don't reference geisha's sex lives. I think you also might confusing western perceptions of prostitution with Japanese perceptions of prostitution. Are you aware of the vast differences?

[LittleMadPyro]

@Discordia5

Definately definitely, btw.

I'm honestly not going to read books about a topic I already know enough about, if this discussion is going down the tube because you can't argue properly. This started with you calling them sex slaves, if you remember. A geisha is not a sex slave, and she's (at least officially) not a prostitute.

Now if you don't want to make geisha look like whores, KINDLY refrain from listing reasons why they are.

[Discordia5]

@LittleMadPyro I happen to have read a halfway decent number of sources on geisha, and if you insult my English again, I'd gladly provide you with a bibliography written in, appropriately, AAA (American Anthropological Association) style.

[LittleMadPyro]

@Discordia5

"Have you seen actual Japanese movies about geisha? "The Geisha" is a well respected film that depicts a life of sexual slavery."

*sarcasm on* Yes, I happen to have noticed how educated you are on this topic. *off* Now if you want to preach something, pay a little more attention to what you're saying. Enumerating reasons why geisha are not chaste and then later saying "But I didn't call them whores" sounds a little ambivalent.

[Discordia5]

@LittleMadPyro Do you honestly believe that they NEVER have sex (aka chaste)? Try reading "Geisha" by Liza Dalby, "Autobiography of a Geisha" by Sayo Masuda, "Women of Pleasure Quarters" and "Geisha: Secret History of a Vanishing World" by Leslie Downer, "Snow Country" and "Thousand Cranes" by Yasunari Kawabata, "Rivalry" by Nagai Kafu, "The Nightless City" trans. by JE de Becker, "Yoshiwara" by Stephen Longstreet, "Butterflies of the Night" by Lisa Louis- all highly respected respected works.

[LittleMadPyro]

@Discordia5

There's definately a line between a normal sex life and prostitution. Now what are those books good for? To cover up the fact that even though you might have read them, you have no skill in arguing?

Now I'd like to get back to the actual topic. You said: ""The Geisha" is a well respected film that depicts a life of sexual slavery." To which I asked: Since when are geisha sex slaves? Kindly explain yourself, or do you need to look it up in a book?

[Discordia5]

@LittleMadPyro

a. I never once said they were sex slaves, I said the film depicted their life VIRTUALLY the same as a sex slave. This was a movie made for entertainment, not reality, the point was that the Japanese would not have been shocked by Golden when their own media already sensationalized geisha much more than he did.

b. "I'm honestly not going to read books about a topic I already know enough about" ... that is an astoundingly ignorant thing to say. How is one source superior to ten?

[Amurana]

@Discordia5 Great book list!!

[Discordia5]

@Amurana Thanks lol! I found them to be quite informative as well!

[LittleMadPyro]

@freacls

It's "Arthur Golden" - and it wasn't like he ruined the geisha name all by himself. It was the fault of the geisha girls, common prostitutes who dressed like geisha to serve American GIs during the Allied Occupation of Japan.