Guess what. The FLDS support child brides, arranged marriages, blood atonement and what they call "bleeding the beast." All those lovely wives and children that you allege these "husbands" are supporting? They are all on welfare and food stamps. And that welfare money? Goes directly to the church. Get your facts straight.
What about all those young women forced to marry older men ? I am not a Mormon but I'm related to some and they have told me things about some of these groups that makes my skin crawl.
There are conditions that don't involve what Anotheronem describes in his or her very last comment. To some men poly would be about sex but thank God women in America have equal rights so even if the man wants poly, they wouldn't get it unless the women also wants that. But, poly can also be practiced out of loving more than one person, and to where even the woman wants it. I've already explained to Anotheronem that this ADULT CONSENSUAL poly, is a combination of social and romantic intimacy.
science is subjective in some realms and does follow much common sense. However, no where did I make a statement that says all science or all morals are common sense.
Further, science is ONLY considered proven science when it has PROVEN logical methodology and results. It does NOT become a scientific FACT until many experiements and cross examinations of evidences occur. So to say science does not equal common sense does NOT make any sense.
You mention that you have given me several well though out reasons. On some points yes, and I've refuted them w/ well thought out reasons. Furthermore, you've given me no evidence or objective studies done on the type of polygamy that I'm advocating. I'm not talking about FORCED or underage polygamy, I'm talking about adult consensual poly. Keep in mind, alhtough I would not want multiple husbands poly but I'm not against the right for other men (gay men included) to want that for themselves
You mention normal healthy functioning women don't entertain sharing their man. I wonder what authority do you have to speak for all consenting women and men. POLY is suppressed and keep in mind it was 1st illegal in 1800s for NONE of the reasons you mentioned and w/ no studies. I'm sure some bisexual women who are born that way wouldn't mind sharing their man if they want both sexes sexually and romantically. Are they wrong for acting on their nature?
I've never been in a poly family nor have I ever lived it so I'm not sure how could I be brainwashed. I came to this decision on my own after finding that there are good ways to practice and IMPROVE polygamy. You were born and raised in monogamy, never lived poly, and in a society where polygamy is SUPRRESSED, so you tell me who is brainwashed or has a cultural bias. I at least thinking beyond current culture and religious (many Christians are anti poly) norms.
Why should I let my wife have multiple husbands when that is NOT my cup of tea? Is it impossible for me and my wife to want and do different things just as long as we all agree? How is it unfair to OUR DECISIONS, that we BOTH want multiple wives and not multiple husbands?
You basically mention that a majority of women manage just fine to find love with family members and friends without having to share their husband. I agree with you here but your comment still doesn't show that polygamy is wrong. This would only mean that the miniority of women would want the extra companionship in the areas that the majority of women not would want it. I'm referring to those women who want polygamy because they want more than just a husband iN their marriage
I gave several well thought out and proven reasons WHY polygamy is harmful for women and children.
You sloughed them off as nothing due to your greed to have SEX and a harem all to yourself, for pride and gluttony without considering the ramifications to others or your soul even.
Whether YOU agree with me or not is not the point. MAJORITY of people naturally WILL NOT and DO not entertain or particpate in polygamous relationships.
You challenge me to let my girl take 5 other husbands and for me to live like that for some time. I don't do experimental relationships but instead I marry someone out of love for the most part. What point are you trying to make here with your challenge? What if my girl doesn't want 5 husbands but instead wants me to take one of her best friends as another wife? There's NO double standard in polygamy IF the type of poly practiced is what ALL adults wanted. Please remember that.
In one comment you group polygamy in with underage sex and sexual deviances. Polygamy has been practiced in many cultures, including by the ancient Jews in the bible and yet there weren't any sexual practices caused by polygamy that were any different than what we have now. In a sense, we already approve of non-monogamous sex since many men and women are having sex with many partners, 3somes, cheating, swinging. Polygamy is about MARRIAGE - can be between consenting ADULTS.
Ancient JEWS gave women NO option other than to marry old men or men they did NOT like. What are you even going on about discussing history of womens oppression and being forced into marriages with older men against their will and other women or girls being forced into harems.
My point in bringing up the ancient Jews and polygamy is that it's proof positive that polygamy does not necessarily bring on all types of sexual deviances like sleeping w/ animals, sleeping w/ kids, swinging, 3somes, adulteries, cheating, etc. Notice that we have that going on now in the US, w/ the exception of sleeping w/ kids, and only monogamy is legal. Did monogamy cause all of these things?
@anotheronem - do you have any historical documentation to prove that ancient Jews gave no such freedom to women? I have never come across any before but will gladly review any if you can prove your viewpoint.
This can be used as a theoretical reference to show that jealousy can be adapted to not be triggered as much in multiple partner relationships. If polygamy weren't illegal, more psychologists would be willing to help poly couples achieve this.
You also mention that most of mankind is monogamous. Hmm? With all the cheating I see going on and even non-monogamous behavior in the animal world, I'd say it's the contrary. HONEST non-monogamy can be practiced as poly.
You mentioned that swingers are not relevant to our discussion. They are if you want to look at how jealousy varies in human behavior/relationships and across cultures. You bring up problems of jealousy between the wives in polygamy and I pointed you to how swingers experience little to no jealousy and at times even ENJOY watching another person screw their wife or husband.
For your point on spousal love and the women in polygamy not being married to each other. You're assuming that marriage has to involve sex when that's not a requirement -not even legally. You're also assuming a heterosexual polygamy and leaving out bisexual or just girl-girl sex. While in BIBLICAL polygamy the wives aren't married to each other, but the relationship could still have the feel of being one big marriage. The women still can contact w/ each other and can have companionship
Some swinger couples experience little to no jealousy and some even enjoy watching their partner having sex with others. So this human behavior shows that jealousy can be conditioned to where a person can experience little to no jealousy even in a multiple partner setting. I'm not saying for poly wives to do that or get help from a psychologist to condition their jealousy to where they'd be okay with swinging, but they can do it to at least work good in a poly marriage..
PORNOGRAPHY - SWINGERS_ are NOT remotely relevant to THIS discussion. Those are warped sexual dealings from people who have LOTS of issues, including morality, and the concept of HONOURING their bodies minds and spirits.
They are OUT Of bounds with their innate beings.
Majority of HUMANITY believes and LIVES in monogamy for solid reasons.
Those who MAKE excuses to step outside those bounds have MAJOR issues. NO excuses or explanations other than selfish lusts or perversions.
Go pick out another wife? with the husband? You are brainwashed into this lifestyle as acceptable. But in short years, that lifestyle is RIFE with major issues. As in cults who promote polygamy. And isolated polygamists are NOT insulated from the very damaging consequences of polygamy or promoting it.
When it comes to jealousy, you should factor in that jealousy varies from person to person. What may make one person jealous may not make another person jealous in teh same situation. Also studying jealousy from a cross cultural and different types of relationship perspective (other than just MONOGAMY or Western Culture), you'll find that people at times experience jealousy differently. Take swingers, for instance. cont'd
You bring up jealousy and competition between the wives. To help reduce these issues the man should also have his 1st wife help in picking another wife that BOTH can work and live good with. That's oftentimes not done because some husbands go off getting another woman who's not compatible with their other wife, and sometimes get a much younger wife. Of course, that most times would lead to competition and rivalry.
As you mentioned intimacy is not about sex, but I'd say it can be but should not be limited to it. Besides that, intimacy can also involve the feeling of being in a close personal association and belonging together. Why is that impossible or harmful between 3 people where they decide to share a marriage and love among all 3, one is more of a social love among the wives (SOCIAL INTIMACY ?)and the other a romantic love with the man.
They want more than just a husband. Some poly women want another compatible wife (ideally a best friend(s)), to share and help raise kids with, to build and support a marriage with, etc. You don't let just any person that close in your life. To bring in another women that close, the other woman would have to become another spouse, in effect. So these women also believe that it's possible to love more than one person and that there's nothin immoral about it.
Again the INSULT. MAJORITY by a large margin of women manage JUST fine to carry infinite love for others WITHOUT LIVING with other women or sharing a MAN. Her family, sisters, children and friends, women love immeasurably most times. Walls of a building or sharing semen are NOT prerequisites to have a strong LOVE for others for Gods sake.
The other women become ANOTHER SPOUSE? Wow, who are you kidding? Another SPOUSE? A woman is NOT a man, ergo she cannot become ANOTHER SPOUSE. They are having orgies or lesbians if so. SISTERLY LOVE does NOT Preclude sharing a mans semen. Spousal LOVE is an EQUAL relationship. Spousal LOVE cannot coexist with 5 women and ONE man. That is an impossible EQUATION. 5 + 1 does NOT equal a UNIT of a couple for intimate and sexual LOVE.
This is not an insult to women and poly wives aren't acting on behalf of all women. They have their relationship preferences and others have theirs. Woman don't have to think and feel the same way on everything. You mention the women don't need a man between them to carry out the social bonds I bring up in my last comment. It's not so much about the man but rather where these women want to have other companionship. Let me elaborate or reiterate again..cont
This could bring help/support emotionally and physically when raising kids together, building and strengthening a marriage together, dealing with the husband together, etc. Not to mention this can free up the time for wives to go to school to advance their education and careers since they have extra help in the relationship. These are all social reasons.
You said the reasons i mentioned for women wanting polygamy is an insult to all women. It's not what I propose it's what I got from documentaries like Sister Wives. Example, the 3rd wife Christine on Sister Wives show mentioned that she did not want marriage just for the man - she wanted to have other types of companionship from the other wives, as well.
So the wives develop a social bond with each other and in the process they get the extra companionship. To some, a 3 person marriage may be more fun and fulfilling than a 2 person marriage. The husband is of course getting a love bond with his wives. You mention the husband not being able to meet his wives needs but you fail to factor in that the wives aren't just looking for attention from the man, they also want companionship from the other wives, as well.
WOW?! Women develop long lasting great social and bonded connections with a great variety of women throughout their lives.
They do NOT need to LIVE with those women or SHARE a mans semen to do so. That is what is warped about sister wives.
Women, including me - have long lasting and great loving friendships with women from all walks. My mother and grandma and Aunts are a distinct bond. With close women friends, we share - sometimes everything with those we implicitly trust.
What you propose as to HOW women think or the excuse for sister wives - is a huge insult to the many women who WOMEN love, confer, share and cry and laugh with the important other "women" in their lives.
WE do NOT NEED a man to carry out those bonds or to find jealousies in those relationships. We share about our sex lives or not, or our loves or our children or worries just fine WITHOUT male intervention. That is just another MALE ego talking.
Women share special bonds with a large or small variety of women in their circles and lives.
For Stronger when we do NOT SHARE jealousies or VY for affection from ONE man. Where did I focus on JUST SEX. Intimacy is NOT SEX!
It is a special time consuming effort to cultivate, develop and SUSTAIN a lasting bond.
If a very RARE or FEW women will choose polygamy - my claim is that they are either brainwashed or lacking in self esteem to sustain a relationship on their own.
Marrying young girls before they KNOW BETTER happens when these sexual deviancies are seen as "normal" which they are NOT.
I challenge YOU to Go LIVE with a WOMAN who has 5 husbands and come back and POST about that experience. Make sure you are indoctrinating the little boys to be househusbands or sex slaves to ONE woman. That is a great future to look forward to, eh!?
Do NOT espouse what YOU could NOT live in the opposite situation!
So if these women want their marriage to be about a social thing just as much as a love thing, then they’d be open to including other women friends (ideally a best friend) in their marriage to get that extra companionship. A scenario can be that a wife may have a best friend where both of them are so close with each other that they’d actually want to share a marriage together. That may be too social for some but nothing wrong with having different standards just as long as there’s no harm.
You seem too focused on sex which is why you probably can't think of alternative reasons for polygamy. Polygamy is not simply a commune but a marriage where love is involved. Based on some documentaries about polygamy, some women mentioned that they want their marriage to be more than just about a man but they also want to include other women for extra companionship. Women who feel this way are usually very social in that they enjoy and want lots of companionship. cont'd
Why is polygamy illegal, Bob? Warren Jeffs is the perfect example of why polygamy is illegal! He was found guilty on charges of polygamy and child rape the other day, and I think at bare minimum, he should have his balls chopped off with a butcher knife, and if he dies from excessive bleeding, then so be it!
That's why no man or woman should be taking more spouses than they can handle physically or emotionally. That's where having 2 wives/husbands can be different than having 8 wives/husbands. And for those who don't think that poly would be satisfying to them then STAY OUT of polygamy, I'm not saying you have to be in it. For those who want poly because they find satisfaction and are flexible on sex time, then these should have at least the OPTION of choosing poly.
@PolyPride3 - you said" I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding physiology, emotional, and intellectual, etc." That is because you don't see women as real humans.
The rest of your stuff is totally pro perverted sex notions that do NOT remotely incorporate the very senses and now scientifically proven bonding of one man and woman when a sexual intimacy occurs.
If you don't get that statement, then you don't get the nature of women. Then you don't deserve more than one woman.
Hmm I don't see women as real humans while I'm also for letting women having multiple husbands if polygamy were allowed? Could it be that what you mentioned about physiology, intellectual, etc, etc is BS? Does your study cover gays and has it even looked at those in poly relationships or is this just YOUR biased interpretation. Is it wrong to want different types of bonds other than that found in monogamy? You don't think SOME poly women enjoy social bonds with other wives?
1. Where is your exhaustive research on physiology, psychology, intellectual and emotional or sociological and spiritual growth or formation of women?
2. Reading more than a few books about women's bodies, minds and souls might help you.
3. Dr. Louann Brizendine. The Female Brain is a start. While it might not encapsulate all women, it has some basics of how womens brains work, which affects their behavior and mode of lives.
NOT MANY men CAN meet the needs of ONE woman, let alone many. They need to be LOVED DURING Women NEED . Lots of hugs, kisses, attention to HER alone for variety of concerns during the day. Not to be GRABBED at night for a quickie because HE thinks a 60 sec foreplay and orgasm for HIM is sufficient. . Sufficient Men are selfish and greedy with their 60 second sex crap. And for SURE she is NOT going to feel AMOROUS if he was paying attention to another wife that day or night.
Why don't you read the dearth of literature on WHY people divorce or sex problems in the bedroom.
Because SEX for women is a holistic experience, which starts the moment they get up. HOW a husband is treating her DURING the day is a recipe for either pleasure or disaster in bed.
Women need lots of emotional, intellectual and physical forms of attention during the day or with their partner to be INITMATE with them.
60 sec sex sessions is degrading and insulting to a woman.
What kind of BOND develops between people in a COMMUNE? of ONE Man as ring leader with a sex harem or servants at his beck and call?
It is ONLY ALL ABOUT male ego and pride that brings him to the lowly level of destroying other peoples lives for his ego and I and majority of others say it is a perversion.
He CANNOT meet the needs of those women in full. Simpish women who have low self esteem or are brainwashed would do it, but NOT rational thinking woman would SHARE a husband.
You mention the wife with high libido going unpleased? Well since you want to give me hypotheticals, what if another wife has low libido? Then he should share his intimacy time according to each wife needs, the one who wants more sex gets that and the one who wants less gets that. There's also the potential for 3 somes or even girl girl sex which you haven't considered. cont'd..
You mentioned ego trip on the guy? That's not necessary for polygamy if all the wives have a say in the relationship, including to enter and leave the relationship, especially as to how the relationship will or can work out. That's synonymous to monogamous marriages where all have a say except in poly there's more adults involved. So with this point here and my other posts, poly does not have to be about the man only, since some women also want other wives, as well.
You mention that selfishness overrides true love in polygamy. Sure there are many examples of that, but I'm referring to adult CONSENSUAL polygamy. You're arguing from CULT and MAN 'dictated' compound isolated marriages, like SOME of the FLDS. In adult consensual polygamy, Mormon or otherwise, ALL of the adults would be involved in 'choosing' polygamy. So it's not just a matter of what the man wants but also the wife.
Polygamy was made illegal in the US during the 1800s. You mention to not punish single mothers but you want them to foot the bill, and I'd also say I'd want polygamists to foot the bill, as well. And polygamists having more kids than they can handle (although having lots of kids is NOT a requirement for polygamy) is just as bad as women having kids with a guy who just runs around to different women. Both leave society with kids that will likely LACK financial and emotional support.
It's also a double standard when we allow UNMARRIED women to have kids w/ men who run off and do the same crap to the next women, and yet we want to punish those who have kids where the MAN actually STAYS around to support his marriages and kids.
Polygamy is not inherently dysfunctional or abusive to women. Those 2 issues comes in depending on who and how polygamy is practiced and that is not how all are living polygamy. Your assumption that we will end up paying more for these families when it comes to child support assumes that every polygamists will have lots of kids, when that's not the case. Some couples may only want 2 or 3 wives the most. Some poly families may only have 1 or 2 babies for each wife.
Physiology, emotional, intellectual, social and spiritual development aligns the human ideally - ONE man and one woman.
That is NOT a "perspective". That is based on both science and morals and ethics. Sex binds people unlike anything else. Intefering with another whole human in that bond BREAKS that intimate oneness for the couple.
Find me all the polygamous families who stick to one child or two. Very few according to stats on polygamy in Utah.
I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding physiology, emotional, and intellectual, etc. Polygamy is not allowed because it is SUPPRESSED by the US government, it's not because of scholarly study. Polygamy was made illegal during an era of rampant prejudice and irrationalism where even interracial couples could not marry, let alone gays in same-sex marriage. While you're telling me it's not perspective, I'd disagree, what you're giving me is cultural bias so far.
Selfishness seems to override rationality or true love in polygamy lifestyles. I would hazard a guess majority of them CAN"T meet the needs of their wives and family properly. Very watered down attention or needs met.
Is that an EGO trip for those guys? What if the wife has a high libido and wants sex every night? Sorry, but HER needs are NOT going to be met. What if they have a child with disability?
etc.etc.
Men are in another land when they think they can have more than one wife.
@anotheronem Ohhhhhh I see so its men's decision to have more than one wife ? Oh okay so then its never the woman's decision ? U ever think that maybe some woman are okay with the idea of sharing a man ? That they're believers in those kind of ideas ? Personally I see nothing wrong with it . If its between consenting adults who love each other and who are dedicated to having that sorta family then I say why not ? And money isnt always the issue because it seems to me like some ppl have the
Go live with a woman who has 2 or more husbands and come back and make informed and intelligent comments.
My comments are not biblical or god or moral driven.
They are COMMON sense and HUMAN driven. To let you and other men remotely thinking that polygamy is a good thing for women or men - it is SELFISH and EGO or SEX PERVERTED driven only. No more and no less.
Problem is that is does HARM people, especially children innocently involved.
@anotheronem capability of looking after more than one wife. And the ideas of morality and ethics are already out the window to a species who's hypocritical of its own society . We illegalize prostitution yet porn is legal, we illegalize polygamy yet its okay to sleep around with other women, we say murder is wrong yet war exists and is also justifiable by the very ppl who preach that its wrong which is also murder, we claim to be an enlightened ppl yet anyone is capable of doing terrible things
@ryanscottweise Pornography hurts men, women and children. If you think not, look at the child pornography sex rings and the men who will espouse sex with children, without batting an eye.
Yes, women can be bad too. Wonder where boys and girls learn such perversions?
@anotheronem The list goes on . I dont think a species who's so hypocritical about its own ideas of living should have the right to judge others externally in any way shape or fashion. So no women can fuck any guy they want yet its okay but men cant. Just like in countries where homosexuality is illegal. Its illegal for men but for women its okay . That's another thing.
@anotheronem Ohhh and I almost forgot another one incest is illegal but porn about twin sisters making out is okay right ? So whats the point to all this ? Society, both men and women, are hypocrites and this idea of polygamy being wrong is just another bs law that nooone cares about and society thinks they can control by all their so-called
I Abhor pornography vehemently as I know millions of other people do. Just because many are uneducated about the ills of pornography does not make it that all agree.
I write politicians and make sure I vote accordingly on those issues.
You know NOTHING of most people to remotely presume they think or believe in little square boxes. Pro or con - black - white thinking normally does not exist in any one human.
Porn about twin sisters? or acts against children? Women or men in disgusting displays and animalistic low life behaviour denigrating each other is light years fromm the beauty of the act of sex between two who should be devoted to one another.
The problem with a portion of society is brainwashed feeding that it is o.k. to return to animalistic primal and uncivilized behaviours.
People quickly call others prudes - god nuts etc, to make a point for their lusts and sexual perversions.
Many people in SOCIETY do NOT agree with sexual permissiveness, nor do they condone men or women hopping from one bed to another bed.
They are probably in the majority, but those who advocate anything goes drown out those voices calling them down or prudes or too Christian or Holier than thou.
The notion that our sex saturated society has nothing to do with major influence on children is also an ignorance on part of many.
I am an educated person and a person willing to learn, grown and NOT JUDGE others individual lives. I am not perfect, but always willing to do better.
However, one can judge BEHAVIOURS and ACTS that are NOT inherant in a person, but a learned behaviour of society.
Sex orgies, perversions, promiscuity, porn, prostitution all harm society. But they harm individuals the most, which in turn harm others and society, perpetuating things for generations.
@anotheronem talk about moralty and God when in actual fact 1) there is no God and 2) the very same ppl who preach morality are the same ones who embezzle millions of dollars away from honest hard-working people and these people are ? Our politcians . So dont say taht something Polygamy is all about men or a man-centered world because the truth is women can do it just as much . So your whole idea of women being asexual beings is not only stereotypical but insulting .
1. Where have I pounded out God on these comments?
2. MORALITY - is NOT subjective in this case. It is a real visible harm. That people who are living in a sex saturated world don't read the important journals on brain activity and human connections with each others is evident.
3. Again? where am I god preaching? or advocating organized religion?
When the defense of the anti-polyamy laws is consistently accentuating the unadvised actions of the variables, it cannot stand a direct offense based upon the societal practicality of the constant. Focusing on the constant & it's capabilities may reveal what the U.S is trying to prevent. Wealthy, practical LARGE families who are the majority who disagree with govt hinderances could cause a power struggle between the government & it's people
wealthy polygynist & their descendants would soon become the populational majority. Voting may represent mainly the polygynist views. Didnt God say to multiply? See how righteousness is practical, even in a democracy if your family is close & agreeing? Government has plenty of reasons to FEAAAARRRR polygynists as they would soon have the most say & the people against them would procreate less, so lesser & lesser opposition.
to me, large strong families strenghten a nation, but weaken govt interference as more people are like-minded with a shared fortune to campaign & make their voice heard. Millionaires may sweep the nation for young beautiful fertile wives, & men in competition may self-improve. impractical men die without children for lack of women interested in the less fortunate & unambitious. reducing poverty & increasing a wealthy population consisting of strong family ties in LARGE numbers....
look at it from a power hungry politicians point of view. Wealthy men would take many wives & have many children. Women & children living in luxury & being gratified means strong ties & obedience to ideas of one man, & then his kids multiply. Strong families with their numbers, powers, & wealth united in blood could easily sway the govt into removing more govt interference like marijuana. gay marriage is legal, & they cant multiply, so hardly a threat to govt control.
I don't condone extra marital sexual relations. Some experiement, but that should end by age 20 and even at that - it should ideally NOT be advocated.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for any man to give proper attention to all those women and his children and keep commitments.
Children? not just getting teased. The notion of dad sleeping with many women under same roof, blended family to the nth degree. TEASING is NOT the only worry for those children.
I wouldn't say the man is giving half of himself to two women, but at least when it comes to one-on-one INTIMACY he has to do that, and not overall. You mention sleeping with more than one person as being 'ickiness'. How many virgins do you know in the US or haven't lots slept with more than one person before they got married? If the guy sleeps with one wife, I'm sure he can wash off and move to the next if that's what your 'ickiness' was about. cont
however, the over regulating of this issue has created a clandestine culture that has lent itself to harboring these nutcases. Get out of the marriage regulatory business and let people that are legally of age do what they want. Watch out for the kids in these homes for signs of sexual abuse but please watch out for signs in monogamous homes also because it is a huge problem nation wide now in non polygamous families. Ask Oprah
I am still waiting on someone to explain to me how in the name of heaven removing the right to vote from women and destroying their families and putting their husbands in jail was in their best interests. To this day those laws are still on the books while the Supreme court has refused to uphold a huge number of adultery laws. I am talking about consenting adults. Of course if kids are being treated improperly we should prosecute that.
In the process of Utah becoming a state the very women that this law was alleged to protect lost suffrage. Women in Utah were given the vote within the territory by Brigham Young and lost it to obtain statehood, had their men prosecuted, driven from their homes, and separated from their children because of their plural marriages. This was Washington's way of "looking out for the best interests" of the women and children as the drove out those last to bastions of barbarity, slavery and polygamy.
The US Congress felt the need to address the practice of Polygamy nation-wide but not the practice of adultery. Does anyone else besides me see a problem with this? they also made the outlawing of the polygamy a requirement for Utah statehood to include cohabitation laws so that men could not cohabit with women that they were not "legally married to but religiously married to" while legally married to a different woman. However, a man could divorce the women and sleep with them and that was ok.
In the U.S. Military, adultery is a potential court-martial offense.[15] The enforceability of adultery laws in the United States is unclear following Supreme Court decisions since 1965 relating to privacy and sexual intimacy of consenting adults.[54] However, occasional prosecutions do occur.[55]
In the United States, laws vary from state to state. In those states where adultery is still on the statute book (although rarely prosecuted), penalties vary from life sentence (Michigan),[52] to a fine of $10 (Maryland), to a Class I felony (Wisconsin).[53]
According to Joel Feinberg in Moral Limits of the Criminal Law: "Righteously, flaunting one's illicit relationships, according to the Code, is apparently a morally aggravating circumstance, more punishable than its clandestine and deceptive counterpart."
In the United States, the Model Penal Code (section 230.1) defines bigamy as a misdemeanor and polygamy as a felony. Having more than one spouse at the same time gets classified as polygamy, and bumped to a felony, if it is done "in purported exercise of a plural marriage..."
Because of discrimination against Mormons in the 1860s when the first anti bigamy act was passed in Congress and all anti Polygamy/Bigamy acts that followed directly targeted Mormons with the intent to destroy their large families and block voting. Read up on the following: Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act and the Edmunds-Tucker Act
Lmao Nob you are the man lol You gotta be freakin kidding me! The laws need to be changed for all states to respect polygamy no matter your faith tradition.
No the LAWS should not be changed or else YOU will be paying even more for "child support" for these "families". They apply for welfare and child bonuses as well, but they also stress into a whole other dsyfunctional family dynamics.
Why support dysfunction AND situations RIPE for abuse of women and children.
Would you want to SHARE 10 men with your wife?
Hey, why not have 10 wives plus 10 husbands - 100 kids. WOW< lets legalize and make it all acceptable!??!
@anotheronem you clearly need don't get logic 101.
yes if a man wants to share his wife with other men (actually there are many who do, they are called cuckolds) he is allowed to, personally i find it sick but i have no right to stop him if its consensual.
same thing here, if all the people involved are adults who consented to the arrangement u need to stay the fuck out of their business and mind your own you stupid cunt.
@anotheronem so none of the non polygamous families are on welfare you dumb cunt?
i support dismantling all welfare unlike hypocritical libtards like u.
what u personally find "sick" is not how society is supposed to run, a muslim nutcase thinks a woman not covered up is sick, you think we should bow to his whims?
i repeat as long as consenting adults r involved its none of ur fucking business, now go play with ur cats u no good illogical cunt.
2. Polygamy does not have to involve old men with young girls. It's possible for adults of similar ages to practice polygamy.
3. SOME polygamists abuse the welfare system but not ALL. Lets not paint all polygamists with teh same brush unless you're willing to say that just because some wives in monogamy are beaten by their husbands, that means all women in monogamy are beaten.
4. Polygamy does not have to involve teen girls. That's a matter of how its practiced.
7. What do you go by to tell if someone is brainwashed? I do believe SOME polygamists are brainwashed when it involves religious MANDATED polygamy. Take the poly couple on the show Sister Wives. 3 of the 4 wives have already tasted monogamy, 2 of them have had failed monogamous marriages so they do have the informed decision and experience of both sides. That's not to say that just because someone wants polygamy that that automatically makes them brainwashed.
1. At least you are respectful in discourse. Thank you.
2. ALL people who "believe" they can create a cozy life in polygamous groups are "brainwashed" in some way or form. I used that term - instead of the more verbose explanation - in that they are heavily "influenced" by OTHERS agenda, rather than look at the moral, legal or ethical or conflicting and inharmonious affects of polygamy.
3. Most failed marriages - repeat their "failure" in the second marriage by majority. That is normally because they do NOT get help as to why the first marriage failed. Lookiing at self is the major factor. Getting into relationships believing we can change others is the other factor. Many people blame others, than look at their own part or non part. (as in putting up with abuse etc).
4. Polygamy causes enormous reprecussions for children, women and society.
3. You're equating polygamy to failure. On the show Sister Wives, 2 of the wives ended monogamous marriages in divorce and later started polygamy AND they are STILL in that polygamous marriage 18 plus years strong so how can that be a failure? I can see if the poly marriage got broken up as well, but 18 plus years of marriage w/ no divorce? Not a failed marriage at that point.
4. The only reprucussions I'm aware of is being picked on by others.
They are not 'legally' married but are married through their own customs. They live as married couples with the state of UTah knowing about their polygamy. I still don't see what neglect you're referring to as the kids are being taken care of by FOUR adults and not just the dad. So it's not up just to the dad as you seem to be saying. Also, if you watched the show, the wives don't view marriage as being about attention from the man, they also want attention from the other wives.
The STATE of UTAH still says that this is illegal. The TV show is NOT like REAL life.
These women have their OWN children in that fray and their child will come FIRST. The jealousies will be evident.
And the list goes on. It is an ABNORMAL life. Not to mention polygamous communities have higher number of birth abnormalities. Because INTERMARRIAGE causes this. When lines get blurred with "genes" that becomes another HUGE issue that cannot be ignored.
The men? well they are not wise to take on more than ONE WIFE - A WHOLE LIFE to nurture, support, love, cherish, and SPEND their life with.
Marrying TWO women means the MAN is giving HALF of self. So who does that work? Not to mention the ickyness of sleeping with one and jumping to another and the condoning of this to children involved. It is a harem or an orgy, but mostly for the MAN.
NO man can give sufficient to one wife let alone two and MORE - this is unrealistic and wrong.
My term "brainwashed" means they no longer think for "themselves".
If PEOPLE think for themselves and understand the sacred and beautiful combining of two lives and that SEXUAL union meshes two people - unlike any other relationship and they then take that relationship seriously and to the levels that have potential, there would NEVER be a doubt as to one woman with one man.
Adding Another woman_ is recipe for disaster for their lives and souls.
Its different if your going around sleeping with a bunch of people and not committed. Its much better than messing with the other persons feelings. If you just want sex go ahead have it with many people, get disease, and be broken and lonely. Just dont cheat! Alot of people especially me want to find our soulmate and get married and live a happy life. Being in love and faithful is what I want most. I pride myself on never having cheated in a relationship and never will especially in a marriage.
Denigrating your wife is UNCOOL! Whether a joke or not, it needed a rebuttal. And from your angry outburst you may have to be cautious or she will be out the door one day. I made a very quiet observation. I seem to have "hit" a huge nerve. Don't be screaming at me or her. Be a good husband and person - take responsiblity for your part in things. Husbands should not be writing garbagey comment about the woman who stands by his side supporting in myriad of ways.
i really don't see what's so wrong with polygamy , i would love to be married to 3 or 4 women and they could all have jobs and support me! oh yeah a dream come true.
I totally agree with you, Bob! I'm not for polygamy myself, but I would much rather see that than those idiots who try to nail everyone in sight and doesn't support the children that may come about. To me, those are among the real freaks of society.
Okay...so I totally agree with what you're saying and I admire that you're willing to speak about it, but, as a friend, I have to say, I think that you need to be on ridalin or something...
Those who want polygamy fear true intimacy? Does it have to ALWAYS be fear or can it also be that some people don't want their relationship to be intimacy between 2 people but also intimacy between 3 people? Sure, there won't be as much romantic intimacy as in monogamy unless everyone is having 3somes but the EXTRA companionship, help, and support in various aspects that you get in the marriage from having an extra person in the marriage can make up for that.
Polygamy by definition does not involve sexism, sexism is a product of how someone practices polygamy. For example, when you have wives who actually want their husband to bring another woman into the relationship, how is that sexist when the woman is getting what she wants? Or how are 3 guys marrying each other open the door to sexism? Men and women in monogamy can also be sexist when they think of the other gender as being unreasonably inferior and unequal.
No, the qu'ran prohibits polygamy. It allows polygyny, but strongly advices against it. Polygyny is sexist and disgusting, how can you say polyGAMY is?
@tubeviewerX20 7.8 million female more than male in U.S., 4.9 in Russia, 5.6 in U.K, ... If one marry one what the rest do? being public property or marry animals like Holland?
I would gladly forego marriage if I thought I'd have to share my husband. There may be a small percentage of women who would adhere to this lifestyle. There are a small percentage of suckers who would go along with all kinds of B.S. Let me assure you however this is most women's worst nightmare and truth be told I don't think a lot of men in our society would prefer another wife either.
I don't understand how monogamous people can call it love, if they wouldn't be with their loved one if it were to have other loves. Most women aren't ready for sharing their spouse, and forcing them to makes it worse. Same thing goes for men, but some people have no problem with this. I want to have many girlfriends, and I think it is awesome if they get to have other boyfriends (or girlfriends *giggles*).
Gender neutral polygamy? Yes, I think it will appeal to all sentient, more or less rational beings. Of course, most of us has learned, in our society, bad habits that will prevent us from this. I believe those who are afraid of intimacy would rather go for monogamy, where there is only intimacy with one person at a time, or remain single (perhaps screwing around without romantic love). Monogamy is built for, and encourages, drama. It might be good in polygamy, or -gyny, too, of course
Probably... if they misunderstood it, and thought it was about having relationships where they didn't need to be that involved. But then they are more like single monogamists sleeping around than polygamists/polyamorists.
@Petfal You're totally correct, I used to feel so against polygamy, until I realized that society is so filthy with fathers who slink around with women, never marrying any of them, and never supporting their children.
I don't know, do you think society is filthy? I like it, for the most part. Do you think polygamy would have solved this? Do you think polygyny would have solved it? :D Why were you so against polygamy?
@1raneeka but in U.S only 7.8 million female more than male, europe also same condition. If one man marries one what the rest can do? "To be a public property / or marry animals like Holland people?" pls give me a brief answer.
Lesbianism! :D And I've heard that a bigger percentage of men are homophile anyway.
But there is often mostly the same amount of men and women, don't let the statistics fool you, since it doesn't take the age into account, women live longer, so of course there might seem more of them in total, but at a given age level, it is more equal. More importantly, your precious polygyny works only when females are in majority, but polygamy works all the time, no matter the gender ratio.
@1raneeka but in U.S only 7.8 million female more than male, europe also same condition. If one man marries one what the rest can do? "To be a public property?"
I think marriage should be for those who want to be married to each other, be they any number of human beings, and any combination of genders therein.
I love it!!! This guy is 100% right!!! I can't even BELIEVE that anyone who appreciates freedom would tolerate for ONE SECOND that the government has a right to tell consenting adults what they can and can't do in their OWN BEDROOMS!!!!
Why is polygamy illegal?
It's simple. Polygamy is illegal because of bigotry and intolerance
Polygamy is illegal because it is practised mainly by WHITE people. Our masters dont want more white children. In fact they are actively working to breed out the white race.
This man's point is valid. However, his method of delivery leaves a lot to be desired. Polygamy should be legal. Who cares as long as adults are the involved. The Government should stay the hell out of bedrooms PERIOD. Morality should not be legislated. If something does not effect you then why should it be deemed illegal? This do and I do or your wrong crap has gone on long enough. If I wanted to marry more than one woman and the women are in agreement who gives a flying crap. Get a life all!
Honestly, as long as polygamy is available equally to men AND women I don't care what you do. Me, I'm married to one guy and don't know if I could love someone else that much but if he's ok with it and I'm ok with it I guess we could add someone to the mix…. but that probably won't happen… especially since it's illegal
@lovleelaura88 If a woman could marry multiple husbands, there would be no way of knowing who the dad of the children was. This is confusion. With a husband marrying multiple wives, the child knows who the dad is, and knows who the mother is. No confusion.
@waffleone3 I really don't get the problem... Wouldn't you rather have 3 dad's who love you. Who cares who "biologically" made you as long as you have people who care for you. Like in Mama Mia. =P
@freakylocz14 no. thats not being a hypocrite. gay marriage is ok because every one in the marriage is treated equally. but in polygamy the wives have no say and are treated unfairly.
sham wow guy on speed
riley8377 1 month ago
Guess what. The FLDS support child brides, arranged marriages, blood atonement and what they call "bleeding the beast." All those lovely wives and children that you allege these "husbands" are supporting? They are all on welfare and food stamps. And that welfare money? Goes directly to the church. Get your facts straight.
jlhanks81 2 months ago
What about all those young women forced to marry older men ? I am not a Mormon but I'm related to some and they have told me things about some of these groups that makes my skin crawl.
patteel 2 months ago
There are conditions that don't involve what Anotheronem describes in his or her very last comment. To some men poly would be about sex but thank God women in America have equal rights so even if the man wants poly, they wouldn't get it unless the women also wants that. But, poly can also be practiced out of loving more than one person, and to where even the woman wants it. I've already explained to Anotheronem that this ADULT CONSENSUAL poly, is a combination of social and romantic intimacy.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@piskapiskapiska
science is subjective in some realms and does follow much common sense. However, no where did I make a statement that says all science or all morals are common sense.
Further, science is ONLY considered proven science when it has PROVEN logical methodology and results. It does NOT become a scientific FACT until many experiements and cross examinations of evidences occur. So to say science does not equal common sense does NOT make any sense.
Morals are SUBJECTIVE.
anotheronem 4 months ago
I am discussing POLYGAMY, not all the universal truths of morals and science. This is NOT a geological, historical, religious, or scholarly debate.
We are discussing MEN believing they can HAVE harems of sexual servants at their beck and call.
It is ergo common sense to SAY that MAJORITY of women WILL NOT agree to that ignorance and degradation of women.
That SOME women get caught in that horrible nightmare is sad.
It is bottom line some greedy man wanting MORE than HIS share.
anotheronem 4 months ago
You mention that you have given me several well though out reasons. On some points yes, and I've refuted them w/ well thought out reasons. Furthermore, you've given me no evidence or objective studies done on the type of polygamy that I'm advocating. I'm not talking about FORCED or underage polygamy, I'm talking about adult consensual poly. Keep in mind, alhtough I would not want multiple husbands poly but I'm not against the right for other men (gay men included) to want that for themselves
PolyPride3 4 months ago
Anotherem,
You mention normal healthy functioning women don't entertain sharing their man. I wonder what authority do you have to speak for all consenting women and men. POLY is suppressed and keep in mind it was 1st illegal in 1800s for NONE of the reasons you mentioned and w/ no studies. I'm sure some bisexual women who are born that way wouldn't mind sharing their man if they want both sexes sexually and romantically. Are they wrong for acting on their nature?
PolyPride3 4 months ago
cont'd from last comment..
I've never been in a poly family nor have I ever lived it so I'm not sure how could I be brainwashed. I came to this decision on my own after finding that there are good ways to practice and IMPROVE polygamy. You were born and raised in monogamy, never lived poly, and in a society where polygamy is SUPRRESSED, so you tell me who is brainwashed or has a cultural bias. I at least thinking beyond current culture and religious (many Christians are anti poly) norms.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
Anotherem,
Why should I let my wife have multiple husbands when that is NOT my cup of tea? Is it impossible for me and my wife to want and do different things just as long as we all agree? How is it unfair to OUR DECISIONS, that we BOTH want multiple wives and not multiple husbands?
PolyPride3 4 months ago
Anotherem,
You basically mention that a majority of women manage just fine to find love with family members and friends without having to share their husband. I agree with you here but your comment still doesn't show that polygamy is wrong. This would only mean that the miniority of women would want the extra companionship in the areas that the majority of women not would want it. I'm referring to those women who want polygamy because they want more than just a husband iN their marriage
PolyPride3 5 months ago
@PolyPride3
I gave several well thought out and proven reasons WHY polygamy is harmful for women and children.
You sloughed them off as nothing due to your greed to have SEX and a harem all to yourself, for pride and gluttony without considering the ramifications to others or your soul even.
Whether YOU agree with me or not is not the point. MAJORITY of people naturally WILL NOT and DO not entertain or particpate in polygamous relationships.
anotheronem 4 months ago
Anotherem,
You challenge me to let my girl take 5 other husbands and for me to live like that for some time. I don't do experimental relationships but instead I marry someone out of love for the most part. What point are you trying to make here with your challenge? What if my girl doesn't want 5 husbands but instead wants me to take one of her best friends as another wife? There's NO double standard in polygamy IF the type of poly practiced is what ALL adults wanted. Please remember that.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
@PolyPride3
You show your true colours now. YOU would NOT want your woman to have more than one husband. So why should WOMEN in general be accepting of polygamy?
It is NOT a normal relationship at all. Those who will entertain or consider it have been warped, brainwashed or from polygamous or abusive families.
Normal, healthy functioning women - body, mind, soul, emotions, do NOT entertain SHARING their man.
It is only in YOUR mind and view. Those who do it - are NOT normal.
anotheronem 4 months ago
Anotherem,
In one comment you group polygamy in with underage sex and sexual deviances. Polygamy has been practiced in many cultures, including by the ancient Jews in the bible and yet there weren't any sexual practices caused by polygamy that were any different than what we have now. In a sense, we already approve of non-monogamous sex since many men and women are having sex with many partners, 3somes, cheating, swinging. Polygamy is about MARRIAGE - can be between consenting ADULTS.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
@PolyPride3
Ancient JEWS gave women NO option other than to marry old men or men they did NOT like. What are you even going on about discussing history of womens oppression and being forced into marriages with older men against their will and other women or girls being forced into harems.
anotheronem 4 months ago
@anotheronem
My point in bringing up the ancient Jews and polygamy is that it's proof positive that polygamy does not necessarily bring on all types of sexual deviances like sleeping w/ animals, sleeping w/ kids, swinging, 3somes, adulteries, cheating, etc. Notice that we have that going on now in the US, w/ the exception of sleeping w/ kids, and only monogamy is legal. Did monogamy cause all of these things?
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@anotheronem - do you have any historical documentation to prove that ancient Jews gave no such freedom to women? I have never come across any before but will gladly review any if you can prove your viewpoint.
1400deadwood 4 months ago
cont'd from my last comment.
This can be used as a theoretical reference to show that jealousy can be adapted to not be triggered as much in multiple partner relationships. If polygamy weren't illegal, more psychologists would be willing to help poly couples achieve this.
You also mention that most of mankind is monogamous. Hmm? With all the cheating I see going on and even non-monogamous behavior in the animal world, I'd say it's the contrary. HONEST non-monogamy can be practiced as poly.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
Anotherem,
You mentioned that swingers are not relevant to our discussion. They are if you want to look at how jealousy varies in human behavior/relationships and across cultures. You bring up problems of jealousy between the wives in polygamy and I pointed you to how swingers experience little to no jealousy and at times even ENJOY watching another person screw their wife or husband.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
Another,
For your point on spousal love and the women in polygamy not being married to each other. You're assuming that marriage has to involve sex when that's not a requirement -not even legally. You're also assuming a heterosexual polygamy and leaving out bisexual or just girl-girl sex. While in BIBLICAL polygamy the wives aren't married to each other, but the relationship could still have the feel of being one big marriage. The women still can contact w/ each other and can have companionship
PolyPride3 5 months ago
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PolyPride3 5 months ago
Some swinger couples experience little to no jealousy and some even enjoy watching their partner having sex with others. So this human behavior shows that jealousy can be conditioned to where a person can experience little to no jealousy even in a multiple partner setting. I'm not saying for poly wives to do that or get help from a psychologist to condition their jealousy to where they'd be okay with swinging, but they can do it to at least work good in a poly marriage..
PolyPride3 5 months ago
PORNOGRAPHY - SWINGERS_ are NOT remotely relevant to THIS discussion. Those are warped sexual dealings from people who have LOTS of issues, including morality, and the concept of HONOURING their bodies minds and spirits.
They are OUT Of bounds with their innate beings.
Majority of HUMANITY believes and LIVES in monogamy for solid reasons.
Those who MAKE excuses to step outside those bounds have MAJOR issues. NO excuses or explanations other than selfish lusts or perversions.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@PolyPride3
Go pick out another wife? with the husband? You are brainwashed into this lifestyle as acceptable. But in short years, that lifestyle is RIFE with major issues. As in cults who promote polygamy. And isolated polygamists are NOT insulated from the very damaging consequences of polygamy or promoting it.
anotheronem 5 months ago
cont'd from last comment..
When it comes to jealousy, you should factor in that jealousy varies from person to person. What may make one person jealous may not make another person jealous in teh same situation. Also studying jealousy from a cross cultural and different types of relationship perspective (other than just MONOGAMY or Western Culture), you'll find that people at times experience jealousy differently. Take swingers, for instance. cont'd
PolyPride3 5 months ago
Anotherem,
You bring up jealousy and competition between the wives. To help reduce these issues the man should also have his 1st wife help in picking another wife that BOTH can work and live good with. That's oftentimes not done because some husbands go off getting another woman who's not compatible with their other wife, and sometimes get a much younger wife. Of course, that most times would lead to competition and rivalry.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
Anotherem,
As you mentioned intimacy is not about sex, but I'd say it can be but should not be limited to it. Besides that, intimacy can also involve the feeling of being in a close personal association and belonging together. Why is that impossible or harmful between 3 people where they decide to share a marriage and love among all 3, one is more of a social love among the wives (SOCIAL INTIMACY ?)and the other a romantic love with the man.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
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PolyPride3 5 months ago
I will get to your points regarding jealousy and other issues later on.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
cont'd from my last comment.
They want more than just a husband. Some poly women want another compatible wife (ideally a best friend(s)), to share and help raise kids with, to build and support a marriage with, etc. You don't let just any person that close in your life. To bring in another women that close, the other woman would have to become another spouse, in effect. So these women also believe that it's possible to love more than one person and that there's nothin immoral about it.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
@PolyPride3
Again the INSULT. MAJORITY by a large margin of women manage JUST fine to carry infinite love for others WITHOUT LIVING with other women or sharing a MAN. Her family, sisters, children and friends, women love immeasurably most times. Walls of a building or sharing semen are NOT prerequisites to have a strong LOVE for others for Gods sake.
anotheronem 5 months ago
The other women become ANOTHER SPOUSE? Wow, who are you kidding? Another SPOUSE? A woman is NOT a man, ergo she cannot become ANOTHER SPOUSE. They are having orgies or lesbians if so. SISTERLY LOVE does NOT Preclude sharing a mans semen. Spousal LOVE is an EQUAL relationship. Spousal LOVE cannot coexist with 5 women and ONE man. That is an impossible EQUATION. 5 + 1 does NOT equal a UNIT of a couple for intimate and sexual LOVE.
That is the description of an ORGY.
anotheronem 5 months ago
cont'd from my last comment.
This is not an insult to women and poly wives aren't acting on behalf of all women. They have their relationship preferences and others have theirs. Woman don't have to think and feel the same way on everything. You mention the women don't need a man between them to carry out the social bonds I bring up in my last comment. It's not so much about the man but rather where these women want to have other companionship. Let me elaborate or reiterate again..cont
PolyPride3 5 months ago
cont'd from my last comment
This could bring help/support emotionally and physically when raising kids together, building and strengthening a marriage together, dealing with the husband together, etc. Not to mention this can free up the time for wives to go to school to advance their education and careers since they have extra help in the relationship. These are all social reasons.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
You said the reasons i mentioned for women wanting polygamy is an insult to all women. It's not what I propose it's what I got from documentaries like Sister Wives. Example, the 3rd wife Christine on Sister Wives show mentioned that she did not want marriage just for the man - she wanted to have other types of companionship from the other wives, as well.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
cont'd from last comment..
So the wives develop a social bond with each other and in the process they get the extra companionship. To some, a 3 person marriage may be more fun and fulfilling than a 2 person marriage. The husband is of course getting a love bond with his wives. You mention the husband not being able to meet his wives needs but you fail to factor in that the wives aren't just looking for attention from the man, they also want companionship from the other wives, as well.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
WOW?! Women develop long lasting great social and bonded connections with a great variety of women throughout their lives.
They do NOT need to LIVE with those women or SHARE a mans semen to do so. That is what is warped about sister wives.
Women, including me - have long lasting and great loving friendships with women from all walks. My mother and grandma and Aunts are a distinct bond. With close women friends, we share - sometimes everything with those we implicitly trust.
anotheronem 5 months ago
What you propose as to HOW women think or the excuse for sister wives - is a huge insult to the many women who WOMEN love, confer, share and cry and laugh with the important other "women" in their lives.
WE do NOT NEED a man to carry out those bonds or to find jealousies in those relationships. We share about our sex lives or not, or our loves or our children or worries just fine WITHOUT male intervention. That is just another MALE ego talking.
anotheronem 5 months ago
Women share special bonds with a large or small variety of women in their circles and lives.
For Stronger when we do NOT SHARE jealousies or VY for affection from ONE man. Where did I focus on JUST SEX. Intimacy is NOT SEX!
It is a special time consuming effort to cultivate, develop and SUSTAIN a lasting bond.
If a very RARE or FEW women will choose polygamy - my claim is that they are either brainwashed or lacking in self esteem to sustain a relationship on their own.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@anotheronem
responded to your comments
PolyPride3 5 months ago
Marrying young girls before they KNOW BETTER happens when these sexual deviancies are seen as "normal" which they are NOT.
I challenge YOU to Go LIVE with a WOMAN who has 5 husbands and come back and POST about that experience. Make sure you are indoctrinating the little boys to be househusbands or sex slaves to ONE woman. That is a great future to look forward to, eh!?
Do NOT espouse what YOU could NOT live in the opposite situation!
anotheronem 5 months ago
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PolyPride3 5 months ago
So if these women want their marriage to be about a social thing just as much as a love thing, then they’d be open to including other women friends (ideally a best friend) in their marriage to get that extra companionship. A scenario can be that a wife may have a best friend where both of them are so close with each other that they’d actually want to share a marriage together. That may be too social for some but nothing wrong with having different standards just as long as there’s no harm.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
You seem too focused on sex which is why you probably can't think of alternative reasons for polygamy. Polygamy is not simply a commune but a marriage where love is involved. Based on some documentaries about polygamy, some women mentioned that they want their marriage to be more than just about a man but they also want to include other women for extra companionship. Women who feel this way are usually very social in that they enjoy and want lots of companionship. cont'd
PolyPride3 5 months ago
Jeff Warrens just got life for raping a bunch of kids. No crime there, right?
jaymorpheus11 5 months ago in playlist POLYGAMY
Why is polygamy illegal, Bob? Warren Jeffs is the perfect example of why polygamy is illegal! He was found guilty on charges of polygamy and child rape the other day, and I think at bare minimum, he should have his balls chopped off with a butcher knife, and if he dies from excessive bleeding, then so be it!
Juzlahindahaus 5 months ago 2
Sheesh I'd hate to be your neighbour Bob, I work nights.
VeronicasMidget 6 months ago
cont from last comment
That's why no man or woman should be taking more spouses than they can handle physically or emotionally. That's where having 2 wives/husbands can be different than having 8 wives/husbands. And for those who don't think that poly would be satisfying to them then STAY OUT of polygamy, I'm not saying you have to be in it. For those who want poly because they find satisfaction and are flexible on sex time, then these should have at least the OPTION of choosing poly.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
@PolyPride3 - you said" I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding physiology, emotional, and intellectual, etc." That is because you don't see women as real humans.
The rest of your stuff is totally pro perverted sex notions that do NOT remotely incorporate the very senses and now scientifically proven bonding of one man and woman when a sexual intimacy occurs.
If you don't get that statement, then you don't get the nature of women. Then you don't deserve more than one woman.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@anotheronem
Hmm I don't see women as real humans while I'm also for letting women having multiple husbands if polygamy were allowed? Could it be that what you mentioned about physiology, intellectual, etc, etc is BS? Does your study cover gays and has it even looked at those in poly relationships or is this just YOUR biased interpretation. Is it wrong to want different types of bonds other than that found in monogamy? You don't think SOME poly women enjoy social bonds with other wives?
PolyPride3 5 months ago
1. Where is your exhaustive research on physiology, psychology, intellectual and emotional or sociological and spiritual growth or formation of women?
2. Reading more than a few books about women's bodies, minds and souls might help you.
3. Dr. Louann Brizendine. The Female Brain is a start. While it might not encapsulate all women, it has some basics of how womens brains work, which affects their behavior and mode of lives.
anotheronem 5 months ago
NOT MANY men CAN meet the needs of ONE woman, let alone many. They need to be LOVED DURING Women NEED . Lots of hugs, kisses, attention to HER alone for variety of concerns during the day. Not to be GRABBED at night for a quickie because HE thinks a 60 sec foreplay and orgasm for HIM is sufficient. . Sufficient Men are selfish and greedy with their 60 second sex crap. And for SURE she is NOT going to feel AMOROUS if he was paying attention to another wife that day or night.
anotheronem 5 months ago
Why don't you read the dearth of literature on WHY people divorce or sex problems in the bedroom.
Because SEX for women is a holistic experience, which starts the moment they get up. HOW a husband is treating her DURING the day is a recipe for either pleasure or disaster in bed.
Women need lots of emotional, intellectual and physical forms of attention during the day or with their partner to be INITMATE with them.
60 sec sex sessions is degrading and insulting to a woman.
anotheronem 5 months ago
What kind of BOND develops between people in a COMMUNE? of ONE Man as ring leader with a sex harem or servants at his beck and call?
It is ONLY ALL ABOUT male ego and pride that brings him to the lowly level of destroying other peoples lives for his ego and I and majority of others say it is a perversion.
He CANNOT meet the needs of those women in full. Simpish women who have low self esteem or are brainwashed would do it, but NOT rational thinking woman would SHARE a husband.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@anotheronem
I responded to you.
PolyPride3 5 months ago
cont'd from last comment.
You mention the wife with high libido going unpleased? Well since you want to give me hypotheticals, what if another wife has low libido? Then he should share his intimacy time according to each wife needs, the one who wants more sex gets that and the one who wants less gets that. There's also the potential for 3 somes or even girl girl sex which you haven't considered. cont'd..
PolyPride3 6 months ago
cont'd from last comment.
You mentioned ego trip on the guy? That's not necessary for polygamy if all the wives have a say in the relationship, including to enter and leave the relationship, especially as to how the relationship will or can work out. That's synonymous to monogamous marriages where all have a say except in poly there's more adults involved. So with this point here and my other posts, poly does not have to be about the man only, since some women also want other wives, as well.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
Anotherem,
You mention that selfishness overrides true love in polygamy. Sure there are many examples of that, but I'm referring to adult CONSENSUAL polygamy. You're arguing from CULT and MAN 'dictated' compound isolated marriages, like SOME of the FLDS. In adult consensual polygamy, Mormon or otherwise, ALL of the adults would be involved in 'choosing' polygamy. So it's not just a matter of what the man wants but also the wife.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
Polygamy was made illegal in the US during the 1800s. You mention to not punish single mothers but you want them to foot the bill, and I'd also say I'd want polygamists to foot the bill, as well. And polygamists having more kids than they can handle (although having lots of kids is NOT a requirement for polygamy) is just as bad as women having kids with a guy who just runs around to different women. Both leave society with kids that will likely LACK financial and emotional support.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
cont'd from last comment..
It's also a double standard when we allow UNMARRIED women to have kids w/ men who run off and do the same crap to the next women, and yet we want to punish those who have kids where the MAN actually STAYS around to support his marriages and kids.
PolyPride3 6 months ago 2
@PolyPride3
While I don't want single mothers punished - I do want single mothers or fathers to foot the bill for their own children.
Welfare is the problem.
Then many men walk away from their resonsibility if they have not married the mother of their child.
However, comparing people who have sex outside marriage is not the same.
Although secular society SEEMS to condone this, one will discover majority of people do NOT condone sex outside commite relationships.
anotheronem 6 months ago
@PolyPride3
I don't ALLOW unmarried people who bear children to get off the hook. Sorry, they are culpable too.
anotheronem 6 months ago
anotheronem,
Polygamy is not inherently dysfunctional or abusive to women. Those 2 issues comes in depending on who and how polygamy is practiced and that is not how all are living polygamy. Your assumption that we will end up paying more for these families when it comes to child support assumes that every polygamists will have lots of kids, when that's not the case. Some couples may only want 2 or 3 wives the most. Some poly families may only have 1 or 2 babies for each wife.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
Physiology, emotional, intellectual, social and spiritual development aligns the human ideally - ONE man and one woman.
That is NOT a "perspective". That is based on both science and morals and ethics. Sex binds people unlike anything else. Intefering with another whole human in that bond BREAKS that intimate oneness for the couple.
Find me all the polygamous families who stick to one child or two. Very few according to stats on polygamy in Utah.
anotheronem 6 months ago
@anotheronem
I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding physiology, emotional, and intellectual, etc. Polygamy is not allowed because it is SUPPRESSED by the US government, it's not because of scholarly study. Polygamy was made illegal during an era of rampant prejudice and irrationalism where even interracial couples could not marry, let alone gays in same-sex marriage. While you're telling me it's not perspective, I'd disagree, what you're giving me is cultural bias so far.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
Selfishness seems to override rationality or true love in polygamy lifestyles. I would hazard a guess majority of them CAN"T meet the needs of their wives and family properly. Very watered down attention or needs met.
Is that an EGO trip for those guys? What if the wife has a high libido and wants sex every night? Sorry, but HER needs are NOT going to be met. What if they have a child with disability?
etc.etc.
Men are in another land when they think they can have more than one wife.
anotheronem 6 months ago
@anotheronem Ohhhhhh I see so its men's decision to have more than one wife ? Oh okay so then its never the woman's decision ? U ever think that maybe some woman are okay with the idea of sharing a man ? That they're believers in those kind of ideas ? Personally I see nothing wrong with it . If its between consenting adults who love each other and who are dedicated to having that sorta family then I say why not ? And money isnt always the issue because it seems to me like some ppl have the
ryanscottweise 5 months ago
@ryanscottweise
Go live with a woman who has 2 or more husbands and come back and make informed and intelligent comments.
My comments are not biblical or god or moral driven.
They are COMMON sense and HUMAN driven. To let you and other men remotely thinking that polygamy is a good thing for women or men - it is SELFISH and EGO or SEX PERVERTED driven only. No more and no less.
Problem is that is does HARM people, especially children innocently involved.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@anotheronem capability of looking after more than one wife. And the ideas of morality and ethics are already out the window to a species who's hypocritical of its own society . We illegalize prostitution yet porn is legal, we illegalize polygamy yet its okay to sleep around with other women, we say murder is wrong yet war exists and is also justifiable by the very ppl who preach that its wrong which is also murder, we claim to be an enlightened ppl yet anyone is capable of doing terrible things
ryanscottweise 5 months ago
@ryanscottweise
PORNOGRPHY is a form of sexual perversion and prostitution of ones soul.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@ryanscottweise Pornography hurts men, women and children. If you think not, look at the child pornography sex rings and the men who will espouse sex with children, without batting an eye.
Yes, women can be bad too. Wonder where boys and girls learn such perversions?
anotheronem 5 months ago
@anotheronem The list goes on . I dont think a species who's so hypocritical about its own ideas of living should have the right to judge others externally in any way shape or fashion. So no women can fuck any guy they want yet its okay but men cant. Just like in countries where homosexuality is illegal. Its illegal for men but for women its okay . That's another thing.
ryanscottweise 5 months ago
@anotheronem Ohhh and I almost forgot another one incest is illegal but porn about twin sisters making out is okay right ? So whats the point to all this ? Society, both men and women, are hypocrites and this idea of polygamy being wrong is just another bs law that nooone cares about and society thinks they can control by all their so-called
ryanscottweise 5 months ago
@ryanscottweise
I Abhor pornography vehemently as I know millions of other people do. Just because many are uneducated about the ills of pornography does not make it that all agree.
I write politicians and make sure I vote accordingly on those issues.
You know NOTHING of most people to remotely presume they think or believe in little square boxes. Pro or con - black - white thinking normally does not exist in any one human.
anotheronem 5 months ago
Porn about twin sisters? or acts against children? Women or men in disgusting displays and animalistic low life behaviour denigrating each other is light years fromm the beauty of the act of sex between two who should be devoted to one another.
The problem with a portion of society is brainwashed feeding that it is o.k. to return to animalistic primal and uncivilized behaviours.
People quickly call others prudes - god nuts etc, to make a point for their lusts and sexual perversions.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@ryanscottweise
Many people in SOCIETY do NOT agree with sexual permissiveness, nor do they condone men or women hopping from one bed to another bed.
They are probably in the majority, but those who advocate anything goes drown out those voices calling them down or prudes or too Christian or Holier than thou.
The notion that our sex saturated society has nothing to do with major influence on children is also an ignorance on part of many.
anotheronem 5 months ago
Who are you calling a hypocrit?.
I am an educated person and a person willing to learn, grown and NOT JUDGE others individual lives. I am not perfect, but always willing to do better.
However, one can judge BEHAVIOURS and ACTS that are NOT inherant in a person, but a learned behaviour of society.
Sex orgies, perversions, promiscuity, porn, prostitution all harm society. But they harm individuals the most, which in turn harm others and society, perpetuating things for generations.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@anotheronem talk about moralty and God when in actual fact 1) there is no God and 2) the very same ppl who preach morality are the same ones who embezzle millions of dollars away from honest hard-working people and these people are ? Our politcians . So dont say taht something Polygamy is all about men or a man-centered world because the truth is women can do it just as much . So your whole idea of women being asexual beings is not only stereotypical but insulting .
ryanscottweise 5 months ago
1. Where have I pounded out God on these comments?
2. MORALITY - is NOT subjective in this case. It is a real visible harm. That people who are living in a sex saturated world don't read the important journals on brain activity and human connections with each others is evident.
3. Again? where am I god preaching? or advocating organized religion?
4. Politicians? is not the topic.
5. POLYGAMY is a MAN centred world.
6. Just as POLYANDRY is a woman centred world.
anotheronem 5 months ago
@ryanscottweise
If women were on these forums or yt or commentaries advocating polyandry, I would have the same remarks.
I advocate for a healthy body, mind and soul for both men and women, but MOST importantly for CHILDREN.
When men and women are peverted or neglectful or abusive or warped, then where does that leave the children?
Not just talking about polygamy here. Parents allowing children to watch sex saturated shows or play sex exploitive games etc are just as culpable.
anotheronem 5 months ago
but, uh @ drinkingwithbob, did that answer your question as to why is polygamy illegal?
intruthwithlove777 6 months ago
When the defense of the anti-polyamy laws is consistently accentuating the unadvised actions of the variables, it cannot stand a direct offense based upon the societal practicality of the constant. Focusing on the constant & it's capabilities may reveal what the U.S is trying to prevent. Wealthy, practical LARGE families who are the majority who disagree with govt hinderances could cause a power struggle between the government & it's people
intruthwithlove777 6 months ago
wealthy polygynist & their descendants would soon become the populational majority. Voting may represent mainly the polygynist views. Didnt God say to multiply? See how righteousness is practical, even in a democracy if your family is close & agreeing? Government has plenty of reasons to FEAAAARRRR polygynists as they would soon have the most say & the people against them would procreate less, so lesser & lesser opposition.
intruthwithlove777 6 months ago
to me, large strong families strenghten a nation, but weaken govt interference as more people are like-minded with a shared fortune to campaign & make their voice heard. Millionaires may sweep the nation for young beautiful fertile wives, & men in competition may self-improve. impractical men die without children for lack of women interested in the less fortunate & unambitious. reducing poverty & increasing a wealthy population consisting of strong family ties in LARGE numbers....
intruthwithlove777 6 months ago
look at it from a power hungry politicians point of view. Wealthy men would take many wives & have many children. Women & children living in luxury & being gratified means strong ties & obedience to ideas of one man, & then his kids multiply. Strong families with their numbers, powers, & wealth united in blood could easily sway the govt into removing more govt interference like marijuana. gay marriage is legal, & they cant multiply, so hardly a threat to govt control.
intruthwithlove777 6 months ago
cont'd from my last comment.
It's all done within a loving/committed relationship rather than sleeping around with people you don't know or care about.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
@PolyPride3
I don't condone extra marital sexual relations. Some experiement, but that should end by age 20 and even at that - it should ideally NOT be advocated.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for any man to give proper attention to all those women and his children and keep commitments.
Children? not just getting teased. The notion of dad sleeping with many women under same roof, blended family to the nth degree. TEASING is NOT the only worry for those children.
anotheronem 6 months ago
cont'd from my last comment..
I wouldn't say the man is giving half of himself to two women, but at least when it comes to one-on-one INTIMACY he has to do that, and not overall. You mention sleeping with more than one person as being 'ickiness'. How many virgins do you know in the US or haven't lots slept with more than one person before they got married? If the guy sleeps with one wife, I'm sure he can wash off and move to the next if that's what your 'ickiness' was about. cont
PolyPride3 6 months ago
however, the over regulating of this issue has created a clandestine culture that has lent itself to harboring these nutcases. Get out of the marriage regulatory business and let people that are legally of age do what they want. Watch out for the kids in these homes for signs of sexual abuse but please watch out for signs in monogamous homes also because it is a huge problem nation wide now in non polygamous families. Ask Oprah
Spydyee2 6 months ago
I am still waiting on someone to explain to me how in the name of heaven removing the right to vote from women and destroying their families and putting their husbands in jail was in their best interests. To this day those laws are still on the books while the Supreme court has refused to uphold a huge number of adultery laws. I am talking about consenting adults. Of course if kids are being treated improperly we should prosecute that.
Spydyee2 6 months ago
In the process of Utah becoming a state the very women that this law was alleged to protect lost suffrage. Women in Utah were given the vote within the territory by Brigham Young and lost it to obtain statehood, had their men prosecuted, driven from their homes, and separated from their children because of their plural marriages. This was Washington's way of "looking out for the best interests" of the women and children as the drove out those last to bastions of barbarity, slavery and polygamy.
Spydyee2 6 months ago
The US Congress felt the need to address the practice of Polygamy nation-wide but not the practice of adultery. Does anyone else besides me see a problem with this? they also made the outlawing of the polygamy a requirement for Utah statehood to include cohabitation laws so that men could not cohabit with women that they were not "legally married to but religiously married to" while legally married to a different woman. However, a man could divorce the women and sleep with them and that was ok.
Spydyee2 6 months ago
In the U.S. Military, adultery is a potential court-martial offense.[15] The enforceability of adultery laws in the United States is unclear following Supreme Court decisions since 1965 relating to privacy and sexual intimacy of consenting adults.[54] However, occasional prosecutions do occur.[55]
Spydyee2 6 months ago
From Wikipedia:
In the United States, laws vary from state to state. In those states where adultery is still on the statute book (although rarely prosecuted), penalties vary from life sentence (Michigan),[52] to a fine of $10 (Maryland), to a Class I felony (Wisconsin).[53]
Spydyee2 6 months ago
and this:
According to Joel Feinberg in Moral Limits of the Criminal Law: "Righteously, flaunting one's illicit relationships, according to the Code, is apparently a morally aggravating circumstance, more punishable than its clandestine and deceptive counterpart."
Spydyee2 6 months ago
Also Consider this:
In the United States, the Model Penal Code (section 230.1) defines bigamy as a misdemeanor and polygamy as a felony. Having more than one spouse at the same time gets classified as polygamy, and bumped to a felony, if it is done "in purported exercise of a plural marriage..."
Spydyee2 6 months ago
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Spydyee2 6 months ago
Because of discrimination against Mormons in the 1860s when the first anti bigamy act was passed in Congress and all anti Polygamy/Bigamy acts that followed directly targeted Mormons with the intent to destroy their large families and block voting. Read up on the following: Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act and the Edmunds-Tucker Act
Spydyee2 6 months ago
u mad bro?
Tarbtano 6 months ago
Lmao Nob you are the man lol You gotta be freakin kidding me! The laws need to be changed for all states to respect polygamy no matter your faith tradition.
SaltyFisherman 7 months ago 2
@SaltyFisherman
No the LAWS should not be changed or else YOU will be paying even more for "child support" for these "families". They apply for welfare and child bonuses as well, but they also stress into a whole other dsyfunctional family dynamics.
Why support dysfunction AND situations RIPE for abuse of women and children.
Would you want to SHARE 10 men with your wife?
Hey, why not have 10 wives plus 10 husbands - 100 kids. WOW< lets legalize and make it all acceptable!??!
anotheronem 7 months ago
@anotheronem you clearly need don't get logic 101.
yes if a man wants to share his wife with other men (actually there are many who do, they are called cuckolds) he is allowed to, personally i find it sick but i have no right to stop him if its consensual.
same thing here, if all the people involved are adults who consented to the arrangement u need to stay the fuck out of their business and mind your own you stupid cunt.
pspawnslayer 7 months ago
@pspawnslayer
1. LOGIC - paying social welfare (tax dollars) happens with these families.
2. Blackmore, Warren Jeffs etc. traffic young girls for their "harems" - then marry them off to old men or take the best ones for themselves.
3. Obviously you have no daughters. These men are SICK, so and we stick up for the girls/ women who are brainwashed.
The rest of your ignorance - do NOT talk to me again with that filth mouth. Totally uncalled for in this exchange.
anotheronem 7 months ago
@anotheronem so none of the non polygamous families are on welfare you dumb cunt?
i support dismantling all welfare unlike hypocritical libtards like u.
what u personally find "sick" is not how society is supposed to run, a muslim nutcase thinks a woman not covered up is sick, you think we should bow to his whims?
i repeat as long as consenting adults r involved its none of ur fucking business, now go play with ur cats u no good illogical cunt.
pspawnslayer 6 months ago
@pspawnslayer
1. Your filth mouth and personal attackes are uncalled for. Stick to the TOPIC!
2. OLD MEN do NOT deserve young women to bed. So not sure why YOU stand up for old sex perverted men.
3. I want welfare dismantled, but polygamists abuse the system worse.
4. "consenting adults"? how about teen girls being misled to cross borders to become part of a sick harem.
7. Brainwashed adults is not the same as "consenting".
Now go away and wash you mouth with soap. Good bye!!!!
anotheronem 6 months ago
@anotheronem
2. Polygamy does not have to involve old men with young girls. It's possible for adults of similar ages to practice polygamy.
3. SOME polygamists abuse the welfare system but not ALL. Lets not paint all polygamists with teh same brush unless you're willing to say that just because some wives in monogamy are beaten by their husbands, that means all women in monogamy are beaten.
4. Polygamy does not have to involve teen girls. That's a matter of how its practiced.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
@anotheronem
7. What do you go by to tell if someone is brainwashed? I do believe SOME polygamists are brainwashed when it involves religious MANDATED polygamy. Take the poly couple on the show Sister Wives. 3 of the 4 wives have already tasted monogamy, 2 of them have had failed monogamous marriages so they do have the informed decision and experience of both sides. That's not to say that just because someone wants polygamy that that automatically makes them brainwashed.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
@PolyPride3
1. At least you are respectful in discourse. Thank you.
2. ALL people who "believe" they can create a cozy life in polygamous groups are "brainwashed" in some way or form. I used that term - instead of the more verbose explanation - in that they are heavily "influenced" by OTHERS agenda, rather than look at the moral, legal or ethical or conflicting and inharmonious affects of polygamy.
anotheronem 6 months ago
3. Most failed marriages - repeat their "failure" in the second marriage by majority. That is normally because they do NOT get help as to why the first marriage failed. Lookiing at self is the major factor. Getting into relationships believing we can change others is the other factor. Many people blame others, than look at their own part or non part. (as in putting up with abuse etc).
4. Polygamy causes enormous reprecussions for children, women and society.
anotheronem 6 months ago
@anotheronem
3. You're equating polygamy to failure. On the show Sister Wives, 2 of the wives ended monogamous marriages in divorce and later started polygamy AND they are STILL in that polygamous marriage 18 plus years strong so how can that be a failure? I can see if the poly marriage got broken up as well, but 18 plus years of marriage w/ no divorce? Not a failed marriage at that point.
4. The only reprucussions I'm aware of is being picked on by others.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
@PolyPride3
That is what you and those in polygamous relationships - do not see. They are NOT married.
How can you possibly think that only intimacy is the issue of neglect?
One man, wages, income, time, maintenance of a home - care of children and ATTENTION to HIS wife and children.
Hiding your heads in the sand over this one.
When a woman has a child with a man, of course she is going to stay.
Seems like sister wives - are more like sister servants on the show.
anotheronem 6 months ago
@anotheronem
They are not 'legally' married but are married through their own customs. They live as married couples with the state of UTah knowing about their polygamy. I still don't see what neglect you're referring to as the kids are being taken care of by FOUR adults and not just the dad. So it's not up just to the dad as you seem to be saying. Also, if you watched the show, the wives don't view marriage as being about attention from the man, they also want attention from the other wives.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
The STATE of UTAH still says that this is illegal. The TV show is NOT like REAL life.
These women have their OWN children in that fray and their child will come FIRST. The jealousies will be evident.
And the list goes on. It is an ABNORMAL life. Not to mention polygamous communities have higher number of birth abnormalities. Because INTERMARRIAGE causes this. When lines get blurred with "genes" that becomes another HUGE issue that cannot be ignored.
anotheronem 6 months ago
The men? well they are not wise to take on more than ONE WIFE - A WHOLE LIFE to nurture, support, love, cherish, and SPEND their life with.
Marrying TWO women means the MAN is giving HALF of self. So who does that work? Not to mention the ickyness of sleeping with one and jumping to another and the condoning of this to children involved. It is a harem or an orgy, but mostly for the MAN.
NO man can give sufficient to one wife let alone two and MORE - this is unrealistic and wrong.
anotheronem 6 months ago
My term "brainwashed" means they no longer think for "themselves".
If PEOPLE think for themselves and understand the sacred and beautiful combining of two lives and that SEXUAL union meshes two people - unlike any other relationship and they then take that relationship seriously and to the levels that have potential, there would NEVER be a doubt as to one woman with one man.
Adding Another woman_ is recipe for disaster for their lives and souls.
anotheronem 6 months ago
@anotheronem
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PolyPride3 6 months ago
Its different if your going around sleeping with a bunch of people and not committed. Its much better than messing with the other persons feelings. If you just want sex go ahead have it with many people, get disease, and be broken and lonely. Just dont cheat! Alot of people especially me want to find our soulmate and get married and live a happy life. Being in love and faithful is what I want most. I pride myself on never having cheated in a relationship and never will especially in a marriage.
ChrisMarquetteslover 7 months ago
I am married to one women and that's hard as hell on my mental and physical well being!No way i could handle my wife times 3.....
hughesfan100 7 months ago
@hughesfan100
Perhaps your wife feels the same?
anotheronem 7 months ago
@anotheronem Perhaps,,,but she knows where the door is at!!!!!What the fuk,,,did you think i would not respond to your dumb ass?
hughesfan100 7 months ago
@hughesfan100
Denigrating your wife is UNCOOL! Whether a joke or not, it needed a rebuttal. And from your angry outburst you may have to be cautious or she will be out the door one day. I made a very quiet observation. I seem to have "hit" a huge nerve. Don't be screaming at me or her. Be a good husband and person - take responsiblity for your part in things. Husbands should not be writing garbagey comment about the woman who stands by his side supporting in myriad of ways.
anotheronem 7 months ago
i hope this guy has a brain aneurysm
sagensourman 8 months ago
i really don't see what's so wrong with polygamy , i would love to be married to 3 or 4 women and they could all have jobs and support me! oh yeah a dream come true.
remotehog1 8 months ago 3
i wonder what his stance on gay marraige is lol
migbee 10 months ago
I totally agree with you, Bob! I'm not for polygamy myself, but I would much rather see that than those idiots who try to nail everyone in sight and doesn't support the children that may come about. To me, those are among the real freaks of society.
DJCandyManMike 10 months ago 4
Okay...so I totally agree with what you're saying and I admire that you're willing to speak about it, but, as a friend, I have to say, I think that you need to be on ridalin or something...
l9i7y5r 10 months ago
@l9i7y5r
You haven't watched many of Bob's videos, have you? It's his trademark to scream like that.
DJCandyManMike 10 months ago
@DJCandyManMike I don't think I want to see his other videos then lol
l9i7y5r 10 months ago
@l9i7y5r
It's your loss, as Bob is very intelligent, but it's your choice.
DJCandyManMike 10 months ago
is this Person furious or a comedian... ?
CTR831 10 months ago
1raneeka,
Those who want polygamy fear true intimacy? Does it have to ALWAYS be fear or can it also be that some people don't want their relationship to be intimacy between 2 people but also intimacy between 3 people? Sure, there won't be as much romantic intimacy as in monogamy unless everyone is having 3somes but the EXTRA companionship, help, and support in various aspects that you get in the marriage from having an extra person in the marriage can make up for that.
PolyPride3 11 months ago
tubeviewerX20,
Polygamy by definition does not involve sexism, sexism is a product of how someone practices polygamy. For example, when you have wives who actually want their husband to bring another woman into the relationship, how is that sexist when the woman is getting what she wants? Or how are 3 guys marrying each other open the door to sexism? Men and women in monogamy can also be sexist when they think of the other gender as being unreasonably inferior and unequal.
PolyPride3 11 months ago
I love how the camera shakes when bob starts screaming at the screen.
slackeriii 11 months ago
angry much?
runway34r 11 months ago 2
Polygamy is still EXTREMELY sexist and disgusting. The Muslims practice polygamy, by the way.
tubeviewerX20 11 months ago
@tubeviewerX20
No, the qu'ran prohibits polygamy. It allows polygyny, but strongly advices against it. Polygyny is sexist and disgusting, how can you say polyGAMY is?
Petfal 11 months ago
@tubeviewerX20 7.8 million female more than male in U.S., 4.9 in Russia, 5.6 in U.K, ... If one marry one what the rest do? being public property or marry animals like Holland?
aadammahdi 2 months ago
I would gladly forego marriage if I thought I'd have to share my husband. There may be a small percentage of women who would adhere to this lifestyle. There are a small percentage of suckers who would go along with all kinds of B.S. Let me assure you however this is most women's worst nightmare and truth be told I don't think a lot of men in our society would prefer another wife either.
1raneeka 11 months ago
@1raneeka
I don't understand how monogamous people can call it love, if they wouldn't be with their loved one if it were to have other loves. Most women aren't ready for sharing their spouse, and forcing them to makes it worse. Same thing goes for men, but some people have no problem with this. I want to have many girlfriends, and I think it is awesome if they get to have other boyfriends (or girlfriends *giggles*).
Petfal 11 months ago
@Petfal I think that kind of lifestyle would appeal to someone who is afraid of true intimacy. Probably has a taste for drama too.
1raneeka 11 months ago
@1raneeka
Gender neutral polygamy? Yes, I think it will appeal to all sentient, more or less rational beings. Of course, most of us has learned, in our society, bad habits that will prevent us from this. I believe those who are afraid of intimacy would rather go for monogamy, where there is only intimacy with one person at a time, or remain single (perhaps screwing around without romantic love). Monogamy is built for, and encourages, drama. It might be good in polygamy, or -gyny, too, of course
Petfal 11 months ago
@1raneeka
Probably... if they misunderstood it, and thought it was about having relationships where they didn't need to be that involved. But then they are more like single monogamists sleeping around than polygamists/polyamorists.
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal You're totally correct, I used to feel so against polygamy, until I realized that society is so filthy with fathers who slink around with women, never marrying any of them, and never supporting their children.
suemorphplus2009 3 months ago
@suemorphplus2009
I don't know, do you think society is filthy? I like it, for the most part. Do you think polygamy would have solved this? Do you think polygyny would have solved it? :D Why were you so against polygamy?
Petfal 3 months ago
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@1raneeka but in U.S only 7.8 million female more than male, europe also same condition. If one man marries one what the rest can do? "To be a public property / or marry animals like Holland people?" pls give me a brief answer.
aadammahdi 11 months ago
@aadammahdi
Lesbianism! :D And I've heard that a bigger percentage of men are homophile anyway.
But there is often mostly the same amount of men and women, don't let the statistics fool you, since it doesn't take the age into account, women live longer, so of course there might seem more of them in total, but at a given age level, it is more equal. More importantly, your precious polygyny works only when females are in majority, but polygamy works all the time, no matter the gender ratio.
Petfal 3 months ago
holy shit. for once I agree with a drinkingwithbob video.
ChristianTheeAtheist 11 months ago
go to the middle east if you want it to be legal.
ImperialArmour 11 months ago
I'm not for men having children with multiple women. I am also not for polygamy. I believe marriage should be between one man and one woman.
1raneeka 1 year ago
@1raneeka but in U.S only 7.8 million female more than male, europe also same condition. If one man marries one what the rest can do? "To be a public property?"
aadammahdi 11 months ago
@aadammahdi
Monogamy only works if the ratio is 1:1, polygyny if F>M, polyandry if F<M, but polyGAMY works perfectly, no matter what the ratio is...
Petfal 11 months ago
@1raneeka
I think marriage should be for those who want to be married to each other, be they any number of human beings, and any combination of genders therein.
Petfal 11 months ago
I love it!!! This guy is 100% right!!! I can't even BELIEVE that anyone who appreciates freedom would tolerate for ONE SECOND that the government has a right to tell consenting adults what they can and can't do in their OWN BEDROOMS!!!!
Why is polygamy illegal?
It's simple. Polygamy is illegal because of bigotry and intolerance
prom6767 1 year ago
excellent video.
Polygamy is illegal because it is practised mainly by WHITE people. Our masters dont want more white children. In fact they are actively working to breed out the white race.
Stovokor41 1 year ago
i didn´t understand anything .......
oyamarovic 1 year ago
If you're going to legalise polygamy, why not legalise harems too - it's just one step up.
lovekat62 1 year ago
This man's point is valid. However, his method of delivery leaves a lot to be desired. Polygamy should be legal. Who cares as long as adults are the involved. The Government should stay the hell out of bedrooms PERIOD. Morality should not be legislated. If something does not effect you then why should it be deemed illegal? This do and I do or your wrong crap has gone on long enough. If I wanted to marry more than one woman and the women are in agreement who gives a flying crap. Get a life all!
B123F456H789 1 year ago
Wow! Have you thought making commercials for used cars? It's like listening to Billy Mays ODing on 5-hour energy drinks.
txvoltaire 1 year ago
pariently Polygamy has been happening in Australlia
sideslide23 1 year ago
Polygamy is illegal so we dont have people like you complaining all the time about schools being filled, resources being reduced, and over crowding.
TheCaliCapitalist 1 year ago
Honestly, as long as polygamy is available equally to men AND women I don't care what you do. Me, I'm married to one guy and don't know if I could love someone else that much but if he's ok with it and I'm ok with it I guess we could add someone to the mix…. but that probably won't happen… especially since it's illegal
lovleelaura88 1 year ago
@lovleelaura88 If a woman could marry multiple husbands, there would be no way of knowing who the dad of the children was. This is confusion. With a husband marrying multiple wives, the child knows who the dad is, and knows who the mother is. No confusion.
waffleone3 1 year ago
@waffleone3 I really don't get the problem... Wouldn't you rather have 3 dad's who love you. Who cares who "biologically" made you as long as you have people who care for you. Like in Mama Mia. =P
lovleelaura88 1 year ago
The FLDS temple looks like a small castle.
Angie2343 1 year ago
What a BOZO you are dude! BTW whats next? The FLDS are going to prison.
Watch and learn, then flip out some more! BTW lay off the crack!
BootsEditor 1 year ago
So gays deserve marriage equality, but not polygamists? Hypocrite, much?
freakylocz14 1 year ago
@freakylocz14 no. thats not being a hypocrite. gay marriage is ok because every one in the marriage is treated equally. but in polygamy the wives have no say and are treated unfairly.
muffinman127 1 year ago