I think people may be missing the point here. It is important that our gift to the church is not the only way that we give. We shouldn't think that having given 'at the office' we are all done. Good point. But we should give to the church. For those who say that tithing is a 6th Centurty invention of the church then how do you explain the early church and Acts 4 & 5?
"The earth is the LORD's and everything in it, the world and all who live in it."
God already owns everything, whether we admit it or not.
Psalm 50:9-12
"I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know every bird in the mountains, and the creatures of the field are mine. If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it."
All I can say is (EVERYBODY) pray about it. God has blessed me so greatly since I tuned my finances over to Him :) A tithe is just a good place to start.
Oly - I don't disagree with a voluntary tithe - something offered with a cheerful heart - willingly - amen! What I disagree with is the twisting of scriptures to demand a tithe when a mandatory tithe was never the intent of the New Covenant - it was never part of the Church until the 6th century AD...
So tithing doesn't necessarily mean giving to the church?
I've wondered about that, because I want my money to go to people in need, but when I give to the church, I don't know where that money's going. I've never looked into it.
Tithing is not supposed to be in our religion - it was brought into the Christian faith in the 6th century AD - some 550 years after Christ ascended to heaven. Pastors will fight this truth tooth and nail - but its the truth -
forest - thats how the preachers will present it - but the fact is that Christians did not tithe until the 6th century AD. We gave to all in need - and supported those who preached - but was supposed to be the best 10% of the harvest - aka - food... grain, etc... look into it and you might be amazed at how this fact is ignored. Tithing was brought into Christianity by the Catholic Church's need for a steady flow of income - not because of the Jewish religion.
I just thought of this- remember when Jesus saw the widow giving her last two coins to the synagogue? (Luke 21:2) This suggests that it was common for people to give money to the church.
You're right, we don't have to tithe. But we should tithe wherever there is a need. I heard a statistic that says 5% of Christians tithe. Missionary funds are going down, and missionaries are being pulled off the fields for lack of funds.
I'm not saying give to the church. I'm saying we should give to the ones who need it (Acts 2:45)
I'm not saying give 10%. I'm saying we should be willing to give it all (Mat 19:21)(Luke 14:33) and give any amount to satisfy the needs of the church body.
@forest51690 Actually - they were giving to the priesthood... which is important to remember when speaking on tithes... they went / should go to Levitical Priests. Jesus is NOT a Levitical Priest - but in the order of Melchizedek. I feel bad about those missionaries. Maybe if churches weren't funding multi-million dollar concert halls (sanctuaries) housed in multi-media superplexes (churches) the missionaries would be provided for ?
@christoferL I know right? My friend told me that a single stage light can cost 25K. We were walking past a truck belonging to my school's campus church, and my friend says, "that truck holds a quarter of a million dollars worth of stage equipment."
Good video and good comments also! I believe we are to look around us and see if we have people in need like family and friends and co-workers and help them with our tithe! If everyone did that then we would all be better off! And you could see the money making a different in peoples lives not just watching it go into some plate and see the Pastor and his wife and many times their kids drawing a salary from it! Sorry I don't even see one single scripture that tells us we have to go to a Church?
First thing, giving to the church should be done with a joyful heart, so if they are "guilting" you and it isn't freely giving, then it's not really how God wants to receive it.
Next, we are called to bless the poor in our lives and not let the left hand know what the right is doing. So what we do we need to do in secret.
I recently changed churches because they pushed giving too much. They told me that if I didn't give I was robbing God. I just can't see how they can do God's will in other areas when they are using fear and guilt to manipulate people for money and power.
Wayno - as sad as it is - that push for money from the pulpit sort of tells me they aren't trusting God - instead they are trusting the "almighty buck"...
It's funny how pastors will say all that "Old Testament stuff" has passed away, and "we are in the New Testament covenant now".....but oh they will digg into Malachi for that tithing principle :-P
Support your local congregation if you believe the money is receiving good stewardship, but I think you are right Christofer, giving to your church is not necessarily synonymous with giving to G-d. Plus, there are some "ministries" that couldn't explain the Gospel if it landed on their head & danced
I agree YiE, I think GOD is one day going to sit them down and read all of Malachi to them and say, ok come and receive your dung pie in the face for causing my people to stumble over my LAW!
I think we should give financially, but the money should go to the poor, the widows and the fatherless who need it. The gov. has stepped in to fulfull the role as the one who takes care of the less fortunate such as the disabled and elderly. Originally it was the tithes and offerings that took care of these folks. I heard that if the churches would distribute the moneies raken up every sunday, that there wouldn't be any poor in the world and there would be far less men wanting to become preacher
I think people may be missing the point here. It is important that our gift to the church is not the only way that we give. We shouldn't think that having given 'at the office' we are all done. Good point. But we should give to the church. For those who say that tithing is a 6th Centurty invention of the church then how do you explain the early church and Acts 4 & 5?
merton132 1 year ago
your so uniformed
chado1558 2 years ago
God has no need for money. You should refrain from cussing on my comments if you want to be taken seriously. Thanks.
christoferL 2 years ago
@christoferL
I agree.
Psalm 24:1
"The earth is the LORD's and everything in it, the world and all who live in it."
God already owns everything, whether we admit it or not.
Psalm 50:9-12
"I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know every bird in the mountains, and the creatures of the field are mine. If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it."
blueskunk12 1 year ago
All I can say is (EVERYBODY) pray about it. God has blessed me so greatly since I tuned my finances over to Him :) A tithe is just a good place to start.
OlySezHey 2 years ago
Oly - I don't disagree with a voluntary tithe - something offered with a cheerful heart - willingly - amen! What I disagree with is the twisting of scriptures to demand a tithe when a mandatory tithe was never the intent of the New Covenant - it was never part of the Church until the 6th century AD...
christoferL 2 years ago
wow brother... short and sweet and to the point... that speaks loudly God bless you
Romanian97 2 years ago
So tithing doesn't necessarily mean giving to the church?
I've wondered about that, because I want my money to go to people in need, but when I give to the church, I don't know where that money's going. I've never looked into it.
forest51690 2 years ago
Tithing is not supposed to be in our religion - it was brought into the Christian faith in the 6th century AD - some 550 years after Christ ascended to heaven. Pastors will fight this truth tooth and nail - but its the truth -
christoferL 2 years ago
But shouldn't we "Give to God what is God's?" In Malachi 3 God says:
Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.
forest51690 2 years ago
forest - thats how the preachers will present it - but the fact is that Christians did not tithe until the 6th century AD. We gave to all in need - and supported those who preached - but was supposed to be the best 10% of the harvest - aka - food... grain, etc... look into it and you might be amazed at how this fact is ignored. Tithing was brought into Christianity by the Catholic Church's need for a steady flow of income - not because of the Jewish religion.
christoferL 2 years ago
@christoferL
I just thought of this- remember when Jesus saw the widow giving her last two coins to the synagogue? (Luke 21:2) This suggests that it was common for people to give money to the church.
@blueskunk12
You're right, we don't have to tithe. But we should tithe wherever there is a need. I heard a statistic that says 5% of Christians tithe. Missionary funds are going down, and missionaries are being pulled off the fields for lack of funds.
forest51690 1 year ago
@forest51690 continued
I'm not saying give to the church. I'm saying we should give to the ones who need it (Acts 2:45)
I'm not saying give 10%. I'm saying we should be willing to give it all (Mat 19:21)(Luke 14:33) and give any amount to satisfy the needs of the church body.
forest51690 1 year ago
@forest51690 Actually - they were giving to the priesthood... which is important to remember when speaking on tithes... they went / should go to Levitical Priests. Jesus is NOT a Levitical Priest - but in the order of Melchizedek. I feel bad about those missionaries. Maybe if churches weren't funding multi-million dollar concert halls (sanctuaries) housed in multi-media superplexes (churches) the missionaries would be provided for ?
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL I know right? My friend told me that a single stage light can cost 25K. We were walking past a truck belonging to my school's campus church, and my friend says, "that truck holds a quarter of a million dollars worth of stage equipment."
forest51690 1 year ago
@forest51690
When you (and the Church) use Malachi 3, you try to chain Christians to the OLD Covenant. Paul teaches against this.
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been severed from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Saying that we MUST Tithe to be blessed contradicts what Jesus Himself said.
Matthew 5:45
"He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
We have a NEW Covenant with God.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
P.S. I like the new look!
gittarfin 2 years ago
Good video and good comments also! I believe we are to look around us and see if we have people in need like family and friends and co-workers and help them with our tithe! If everyone did that then we would all be better off! And you could see the money making a different in peoples lives not just watching it go into some plate and see the Pastor and his wife and many times their kids drawing a salary from it! Sorry I don't even see one single scripture that tells us we have to go to a Church?
gittarfin 2 years ago
First thing, giving to the church should be done with a joyful heart, so if they are "guilting" you and it isn't freely giving, then it's not really how God wants to receive it.
Next, we are called to bless the poor in our lives and not let the left hand know what the right is doing. So what we do we need to do in secret.
Great video and nice shave ;-)
VioletKitty411 2 years ago
Great point VK!
christoferL 2 years ago
Yeah man, thats very true. You give to a cause or person, group etc That is lacking or in need. Good message brother and very true!
rlyymtf 2 years ago
When you give to the poor, you are lending to the LORD.
PR 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
JeromeStein4U 2 years ago
Great verse Jerome!
christoferL 2 years ago
I recently changed churches because they pushed giving too much. They told me that if I didn't give I was robbing God. I just can't see how they can do God's will in other areas when they are using fear and guilt to manipulate people for money and power.
Wayno2010 2 years ago
Wayno - as sad as it is - that push for money from the pulpit sort of tells me they aren't trusting God - instead they are trusting the "almighty buck"...
christoferL 2 years ago
Awesome Word Brother.
Tali
Nephtali1981 2 years ago
It's funny how pastors will say all that "Old Testament stuff" has passed away, and "we are in the New Testament covenant now".....but oh they will digg into Malachi for that tithing principle :-P
Support your local congregation if you believe the money is receiving good stewardship, but I think you are right Christofer, giving to your church is not necessarily synonymous with giving to G-d. Plus, there are some "ministries" that couldn't explain the Gospel if it landed on their head & danced
YHWHisElohim 2 years ago
"Plus, there are some "ministries" that couldn't explain the Gospel if it landed on their head & danced"
Oh, wow! Lol!
theheat151 2 years ago
LOL - I am afraid you're right YHWHisElohim
christoferL 2 years ago
I agree YiE, I think GOD is one day going to sit them down and read all of Malachi to them and say, ok come and receive your dung pie in the face for causing my people to stumble over my LAW!
gittarfin 2 years ago
Something is different about you...hmmm?
Shalom
theheat151 2 years ago
heat - u noticed? LOL
christoferL 2 years ago
Yea, I noticed. It's a clean look.
So, how was the Easter service?
theheat151 2 years ago
Well - it was horrible. They called it resurrection day but the bunny and candy were far from ignored - and the call for cash was disgusting.
christoferL 2 years ago
Amen Eyes - our Father doesn't give as this world gives - nor does He receive as this world receives...
christoferL 2 years ago
well said
EyeGates 2 years ago
You cant give financially to the one who owns all things... period.
EyeGates 2 years ago
I think we should give financially, but the money should go to the poor, the widows and the fatherless who need it. The gov. has stepped in to fulfull the role as the one who takes care of the less fortunate such as the disabled and elderly. Originally it was the tithes and offerings that took care of these folks. I heard that if the churches would distribute the moneies raken up every sunday, that there wouldn't be any poor in the world and there would be far less men wanting to become preacher
huckster271 2 years ago
huck - Amen...
christoferL 2 years ago
Yeah - I don't want people to misunderstand me - we should support our churches - but giving to God is something far more personal and important...
christoferL 2 years ago