@Aznswordsman007 Nixon sold them out thinking he out play Mao and got outplayed. Carter screwed them ROC and cut our relationship and troops there as Nixon basically did. Damn Nixon/Kissinger and Carter. Plus the chickens who wont tell China no and the only non democratic country not in the UN yes we will provide you real defensive arms.
The point of the ROCAF is not to defeat the PLAAF, but rather to A. act as a deterrence for attack from the PRC and/or B. To buy time for USN and Allied forces to counter-attack. It is unlikely they could win alone, as they are outnumbered and out-modeled by newer fighters j-10, j-11 and most of the Taiwan Straits are under the shadow of the S-300PMU-1s.
and when sir, would u be done with taiwan? it's been 60 years.. let's say china do invade taiwan next week, is it going to be another 60 years to prepare for japan? u chinese definately take ur sweet time
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Fuck you, Commie ! If you use a translator I'll put this simply,
Chairman Mao super fucking bad,
What has communism gotten you guys, Bad human rights,corruption,unreliable government. Hell... the US just puts a happy face on for you guys, I and we support Taiwan.
There is no guarantee that the US will sell planes to Taiwan; this is not because of the US needing PRC help in certain geopolitical issues but because the US leaders have business interests related to PRC. Therefore,Taiwan has to start development of fighters, Aegis ships and subs and nuclear weapons even if the defense expenditure has to be increasd to 20-25% of GDP.
Taiwan should start rebuilding F100 type engines. Lifetime will be shorter than US engines but engines can be replaced. Taiwanese companies are very strong at embedded computers therefore development of related electronics systems will be facilitated. Since Taiwan has basic shipbuilding capabilities, productions of Aegis(8-12) and older generation subs(at least fine dozen) should also be started.
agree with your idea about the engine. But for ships, there is no need.......it's toooo close, any ship except A-carrier is nothing in front of jets, taiwan is too close to mainland.
Small hints: destroyer like KDX3 even US Arleigh Burke, can only detect jets for 40km if they fly 50 meters.
The ships are not only needed to protect Taiwan from China but also to protect Taiwanese and other trade ships from pirates etc. Taiwan has to rely 100% on sea lanes for its export/import and the pirates are getting more and more sophisticated weapons. 4 small carriers,8-9 Aegis ships,60+ conventional subs and 2-4 nuclear subs will do.
BTW, I have check the infor from KANWA, I'm wrong about the number, there are nearly 300 J11/Su27/Su30, not more than.
and I do not want to compare the two sides, I prefer peace, I just believe ROCAF can be better, but the leadership made a mistake. look at what Taiwan engineers have done in S.Korea, they are very good.
and J11B has been tested and taken into small scale service in PLA. J11BS is on phototype testing stage. They both use PLA' own engine, and avionics. That's why I feel pity, because I believe Taiwan can design their own engnie for IDF, ROCAF start design new generation jet much earlier than PLAAF.
actually, the radar of Chinese version Su27 is a peace of shit, that's why PLA terminated the contract with russian(only assembling half volume of Su27).
BTW, J11BS is the Chinese version Su30MKK2. by "Chinese version", I mean the Avionics and other important components are designed by China, PLA only used the russian as platform.
Taiwan has the computer technology required for advanced jet fighters, some missile technology and built a jet fighter in the past(and recently an improved prototype). There may be still a few J79s around from the F104s; the J79 and also the F100 can form a basis for reverse engineering, even if the resulting engines last only for 300 flight hours(slightly less than 2 flight years of an ROCAF pilot)
yeah, that proved my idea---->it's really good for taiwan to improve IDF and develop new jets, because taiwan has the ability. But, more money were put on the f-16s and M2Ks, lot's of technicians left HanXiang......if taiwan support it's own jet plan with no doubt in the past 10 years, I believe taiwan will be much better than at least S.Korea, so it's a pity........
according to Kanwa and Janes, PLAAF has more than 300 J11(Su27), about 80 J10, and PLA's own designed "E2C" and "E3", with AESE on KJ2000(you can consider it as E3, better radar but poor information processing ability)
J-11B? Is thyis a new PLAAF designation for the Su-30MKK's? The actual J-11/Su-27's were built from Russian supplied kits complete w/engines and Bar's radar complete from the origional manufacturer. The Su-30's are totaly Russian built.
No, J11B is designed for air combat, we can consider it as a new jet, because it has PLA's own avonics, weapon systems, radar. 601 institution even changed the body frame to make it lighter.
and please, I would like to talk to you after learning nowaday's situation of ROCAF, but I found lot's of people here still evaluation PLA according to the weapons and people 20 years ago. I have no comments on your something like F-5 , and focus on your F16 IDF M2000, but what you mention of PLA is only J6 J7 J8, even the Korea War. it's quite a different way of thinking.
For the 4th generation fighter, I have to say sorry, I think it's toooo late, lot's of Taiwan technicians went to S.Korea, and the forever engine problem, no one will offer taiwan an even military used engine. US even say no to the F16CD contract just these days...that's why I feel pity about taiwan's delayed IDF developing plan.
I had heard the F-16C/D had been approved. These are slated to replace the surviving F-5E's. And let's not forget the long standing problems China has had w/its own engines in the J-6, Q-5, J-7 and J-8 which still equip the bulk of Chinese fighter units. Questions about Chinese training and tactics could also be in question.
Remember that in the Korean War F-86's and MiG-15's were arguably equal in overall capabilities. It was the experience and training of US/UN pilots that aloud for such lopsided kill ratios while the most succesful communist pilots were Russian vets.
ROCAF has trained in proven Western style tactics for decades while PRC relegated the airforce to an army support role which was treated like a pahriah institution since the cultural revolution. This has only changed in the past 15 yrs.
How well the PLAAF and PLNAF have evolved to meet their new Su-27/J-11 and Su-30MKK/2 fighters has yet to be seen. It's also worth noting the PLAAF's difficulties with its aging, hodge-pog fleet of trainers and somwhat jumbled pilot progression through them.
Yeah, but those ROCAF F-16A/B's are Block 20's. In other words; A/B airframe, C/D avionics. The 20's were developed when the PRC protested the sale of Block 30/40 C's, so the block 20's were developed.
Yes, because F16AB are first designed as an air combat plane, that means the body frame are much more lighter because they do not need to carry the heavy bomb, which makes AB has better maneuverability with old engine. But your F16AB had been improved to have some ground attack ability, that means your body frame is more heavy, but still with old engine
:)that because F16 AB has lighter frame, but ROCAF's F16 AB had been improved to have some ground attack ability which means the body frame are much more heavier to carry bomb.
But I think you should develop your own IDF, to find a better engine, the advantage is you have your own avionics, and your own weapon system, to get grid of the weapon limitation.
Taiwan is in the process of upgrading the Chung-Ko and does use indigenous wepons. It's primarily economics that limits Taiwan from more fully developing a 4th-gen fighter. Don't underestimate the 2000-5/MICA combo either. (and by the way, I'm American)
Taiwan need better plane to defend the island, I don't understand why American wouldn't sell better aircraft to them
Aznswordsman007 3 months ago
@Aznswordsman007 Nixon sold them out thinking he out play Mao and got outplayed. Carter screwed them ROC and cut our relationship and troops there as Nixon basically did. Damn Nixon/Kissinger and Carter. Plus the chickens who wont tell China no and the only non democratic country not in the UN yes we will provide you real defensive arms.
Jbroks86 1 month ago
mirage 2000
lolocasa70 3 months ago
fuck china! go taiwan.
rahj8786 10 months ago 2
The point of the ROCAF is not to defeat the PLAAF, but rather to A. act as a deterrence for attack from the PRC and/or B. To buy time for USN and Allied forces to counter-attack. It is unlikely they could win alone, as they are outnumbered and out-modeled by newer fighters j-10, j-11 and most of the Taiwan Straits are under the shadow of the S-300PMU-1s.
in4ser 1 year ago
Taiwan air force is buying the stealth F15 silent eagle.
skydreamerXIII 2 years ago
@skydreamerXIII The USA won't agree to sell us F15...
Sanaluvern 1 year ago
and when sir, would u be done with taiwan? it's been 60 years.. let's say china do invade taiwan next week, is it going to be another 60 years to prepare for japan? u chinese definately take ur sweet time
sluttynuts 3 years ago 3
@sluttynuts its taiwans 100th bday this yr so make it 100 haha
baskgod 1 year ago
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Bill3Nos 3 years ago
just so so, no high G move
mgcn360 3 years ago
もうひとつ、matthewmanhorn様へ一言いいか？
あなた方の様な正義ぶってる米国人は「最低」です。力あるからって調子乗ってんじゃねぇよ単細胞バカ野朗がよ（笑）。
日本人や東洋人の根性ナメんなよ。OK?
HiROMu8934 3 years ago
DEAR matthewmanhorn様、日本人ナメんな!!!!!!!!!
FUCK'IN USA！！！！！！！！！！
HiROMu8934 3 years ago
argument makes no resolve,just watch it,be good
ifang10 3 years ago
argument makes no resolve,just watch it,be good
ifang10 3 years ago
台湾空軍良いです！！極東アジア平和の為、航空自衛隊と共同訓練行って欲しいものです。
HiROMu8934 4 years ago 7
Nice airplanes.
segregator236 4 years ago
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avht1013 ,放你妈屁，不知道就别瞎说，我没人权就不会在这里骂你们这些畜生了．没自由，我也不知道你从哪个畜生嘴里听到的，脑子有问题．说到丧家犬就更可笑了，明明自己是人家来对付中国的看门狗，整天就以为有美国人撑腰，连你们狗屁岛防部长脑子里就晓得求救美国，还好意思说的出来，不关怎么样，我们中国不必象你们看人家脸色行事．垃圾，看你们还能乱吠几天．
还指望联合国真能承认台湾国，真他妈做梦想屁吃
camusjoy 4 years ago
原來你所謂的人權就是在這裡罵人 哈哈 笑死人了
大陸憤青的水準就這麼一般
avht1013 3 years ago 7
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gto1159.我是CHINA，你是什么东西，你什么都不是，你顶多就人家老美和小日本养的狗，一颗棋子。
camusjoy 4 years ago
你只是沒人權 沒民主 沒自由的 可憐喪家犬
avht1013 4 years ago 4
中華人民共和國是主權獨立的國家
不屬於台灣統治
台灣是主權獨立的國家
不屬於中華人民共和國統治
gto1159 4 years ago 4
支那思想教育下的豬
gto1159 4 years ago
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你们自己的国防，哈哈，连主权都没的地方，何来国家，更不用谈国防了，可笑！你们的叫＂岛防＂．你们这一辈子都别想有自己的国防 了，解放军打的是台湾省，那里不知道被哪个国籍的畜生占领着，要不是看在有中国人留在那里，早就打回来了．
那些畜生听着，你们可以不做中国人，但你们脚下的大地由不得你们做主．
说句老实话，你们与其花钱搞＂岛防＂，还不如好好孝敬你们的主人，到时候老美和小日本说不定还能替你们求求情．
畜生，放着人不当，非要当人家的狗，呸，竟然还学人说中国话，写汉字，垃圾，你们有什么是自己的，哦对了，你们有Ｆ４麻，哈哈
整天嘴里叼着＂民主，人权＂，放你妈的狗屁，你连人都不是，还人权，出去说＂Ｉ ＡＭ ＴＡＩＷＡＮＥＳＥ＂放屁，从古到今就没听说有这个国家．还整天想入联，还ＵＮ ＦＯＲ ＴＡＩＷＡＮ，做梦吧畜生．
camusjoy 4 years ago
@camusjoy
How's this for a reply?
你他妈的，共匪和阿共仔！如果您使用的是翻译我把这个简单地说，
毛主席超级他妈的坏，
你们得到了什么共产主义，不良人权，腐败，不可靠的政府。地狱...美国刚刚提出对你们一个快乐的脸，我和我们支持台湾。
闭嘴，回到你的房间洗脑。
Fuck you, Commie ! If you use a translator I'll put this simply,
Chairman Mao super fucking bad,
What has communism gotten you guys, Bad human rights,corruption,unreliable government. Hell... the US just puts a happy face on for you guys, I and we support Taiwan.
Shut up and go back to your brain washing room.
Bingbling16 1 year ago 2
@Bingbling16 wow not bad for google translation haha, totally agree with what you said
baskgod 1 year ago
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@Bingbling16 wow not bad for google translation haha. Totally agreed with what you said
baskgod 1 year ago
i served in the ROC airforce in Taiwan. its a mandate
maverickvf142 4 years ago
There is no guarantee that the US will sell planes to Taiwan; this is not because of the US needing PRC help in certain geopolitical issues but because the US leaders have business interests related to PRC. Therefore,Taiwan has to start development of fighters, Aegis ships and subs and nuclear weapons even if the defense expenditure has to be increasd to 20-25% of GDP.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
sad when the US is in an economic alliance with China, while a military alliance with Taiwan. Tough decision!
beliserius 4 years ago
smartest thing you saided here yet proud of you. US has it's own little war to fight. the
G W O T
chinosensacion 4 years ago
Taiwan should start rebuilding F100 type engines. Lifetime will be shorter than US engines but engines can be replaced. Taiwanese companies are very strong at embedded computers therefore development of related electronics systems will be facilitated. Since Taiwan has basic shipbuilding capabilities, productions of Aegis(8-12) and older generation subs(at least fine dozen) should also be started.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
agree with your idea about the engine. But for ships, there is no need.......it's toooo close, any ship except A-carrier is nothing in front of jets, taiwan is too close to mainland.
Small hints: destroyer like KDX3 even US Arleigh Burke, can only detect jets for 40km if they fly 50 meters.
alex0422 4 years ago
The ships are not only needed to protect Taiwan from China but also to protect Taiwanese and other trade ships from pirates etc. Taiwan has to rely 100% on sea lanes for its export/import and the pirates are getting more and more sophisticated weapons. 4 small carriers,8-9 Aegis ships,60+ conventional subs and 2-4 nuclear subs will do.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
What Taiwan needs is SAM stations to shoot down incoming missles and jets.
Taiwan also needs a very large air base to mow down incoming ships.
beliserius 4 years ago
BTW, I have check the infor from KANWA, I'm wrong about the number, there are nearly 300 J11/Su27/Su30, not more than.
and I do not want to compare the two sides, I prefer peace, I just believe ROCAF can be better, but the leadership made a mistake. look at what Taiwan engineers have done in S.Korea, they are very good.
alex0422 4 years ago
and J11B has been tested and taken into small scale service in PLA. J11BS is on phototype testing stage. They both use PLA' own engine, and avionics. That's why I feel pity, because I believe Taiwan can design their own engnie for IDF, ROCAF start design new generation jet much earlier than PLAAF.
alex0422 4 years ago
actually, the radar of Chinese version Su27 is a peace of shit, that's why PLA terminated the contract with russian(only assembling half volume of Su27).
BTW, J11BS is the Chinese version Su30MKK2. by "Chinese version", I mean the Avionics and other important components are designed by China, PLA only used the russian as platform.
alex0422 4 years ago
Taiwan has the computer technology required for advanced jet fighters, some missile technology and built a jet fighter in the past(and recently an improved prototype). There may be still a few J79s around from the F104s; the J79 and also the F100 can form a basis for reverse engineering, even if the resulting engines last only for 300 flight hours(slightly less than 2 flight years of an ROCAF pilot)
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
yeah, that proved my idea---->it's really good for taiwan to improve IDF and develop new jets, because taiwan has the ability. But, more money were put on the f-16s and M2Ks, lot's of technicians left HanXiang......if taiwan support it's own jet plan with no doubt in the past 10 years, I believe taiwan will be much better than at least S.Korea, so it's a pity........
alex0422 4 years ago
according to Kanwa and Janes, PLAAF has more than 300 J11(Su27), about 80 J10, and PLA's own designed "E2C" and "E3", with AESE on KJ2000(you can consider it as E3, better radar but poor information processing ability)
alex0422 4 years ago
J-11B? Is thyis a new PLAAF designation for the Su-30MKK's? The actual J-11/Su-27's were built from Russian supplied kits complete w/engines and Bar's radar complete from the origional manufacturer. The Su-30's are totaly Russian built.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
No, J11B is designed for air combat, we can consider it as a new jet, because it has PLA's own avonics, weapon systems, radar. 601 institution even changed the body frame to make it lighter.
alex0422 4 years ago
and please, I would like to talk to you after learning nowaday's situation of ROCAF, but I found lot's of people here still evaluation PLA according to the weapons and people 20 years ago. I have no comments on your something like F-5 , and focus on your F16 IDF M2000, but what you mention of PLA is only J6 J7 J8, even the Korea War. it's quite a different way of thinking.
alex0422 4 years ago
And, I'm Chinese, northeast mainland guy.
alex0422 4 years ago
For the 4th generation fighter, I have to say sorry, I think it's toooo late, lot's of Taiwan technicians went to S.Korea, and the forever engine problem, no one will offer taiwan an even military used engine. US even say no to the F16CD contract just these days...that's why I feel pity about taiwan's delayed IDF developing plan.
alex0422 4 years ago
I had heard the F-16C/D had been approved. These are slated to replace the surviving F-5E's. And let's not forget the long standing problems China has had w/its own engines in the J-6, Q-5, J-7 and J-8 which still equip the bulk of Chinese fighter units. Questions about Chinese training and tactics could also be in question.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
Remember that in the Korean War F-86's and MiG-15's were arguably equal in overall capabilities. It was the experience and training of US/UN pilots that aloud for such lopsided kill ratios while the most succesful communist pilots were Russian vets.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
ROCAF has trained in proven Western style tactics for decades while PRC relegated the airforce to an army support role which was treated like a pahriah institution since the cultural revolution. This has only changed in the past 15 yrs.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
How well the PLAAF and PLNAF have evolved to meet their new Su-27/J-11 and Su-30MKK/2 fighters has yet to be seen. It's also worth noting the PLAAF's difficulties with its aging, hodge-pog fleet of trainers and somwhat jumbled pilot progression through them.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
please, check the news from Kanwa or Janes...
J11? even J11B's pics are everywhere now.....which contains PLA's own avonics, weapons, radars and the most important one---> engines!
and yes, the F16CD bill will go on:) I heard of that 10 mins before
alex0422 4 years ago
yes, the main problem is training, PLAAF have lot's of new staff after the J6 Q5, but we have not make them as a system yet.
but, J6 already expired, only remote ones left. PLAAF completely stopped manufactory J7 and J8 just recently.
alex0422 4 years ago
Actually, Danmark AF has the same situation with ROCAF, they also upgrade their F16AB, but they changed a better engine together.
alex0422 4 years ago
J10 will out perform this thing.
hungt 4 years ago
does the j10 use unleaded paint?? there's a recall going on.
joeyflanker388 4 years ago
LOL!
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
What is the background music? It sounded like generic Japanese RPG game.
Peichen01 4 years ago
Mirage and F-16 is not out of date yet
tomhlee88 4 years ago
it depends, F16AB has been in service for nearly 20 years.......old enough......
you should develop your own IDF.
alex0422 4 years ago
Yeah, but those ROCAF F-16A/B's are Block 20's. In other words; A/B airframe, C/D avionics. The 20's were developed when the PRC protested the sale of Block 30/40 C's, so the block 20's were developed.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
not exaclty, ROCAF F-16A/B are upgraded to MLU standard, some of the component are Block52, some of them are less than CD.....
but the engine are old, and missile are old(120C)
alex0422 4 years ago
But the F-16A/B is also more manuverable than C/D.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
Yes, because F16AB are first designed as an air combat plane, that means the body frame are much more lighter because they do not need to carry the heavy bomb, which makes AB has better maneuverability with old engine. But your F16AB had been improved to have some ground attack ability, that means your body frame is more heavy, but still with old engine
alex0422 4 years ago
:)that because F16 AB has lighter frame, but ROCAF's F16 AB had been improved to have some ground attack ability which means the body frame are much more heavier to carry bomb.
alex0422 4 years ago
laf, the air show above the clouds...old fasioned jet, and half of them can not fly.......
alex0422 4 years ago
stupid ass...
nowosun 4 years ago
out of date air plane.....
houston34 4 years ago
Sorry but that's a Mirage 2000-5. Third gen outside, 4th gen inside.
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
M2000-5 is good, your best plane.
But I think you should develop your own IDF, to find a better engine, the advantage is you have your own avionics, and your own weapon system, to get grid of the weapon limitation.
alex0422 4 years ago
Taiwan is in the process of upgrading the Chung-Ko and does use indigenous wepons. It's primarily economics that limits Taiwan from more fully developing a 4th-gen fighter. Don't underestimate the 2000-5/MICA combo either. (and by the way, I'm American)
Ahrimancp 4 years ago
Excellent, superb manouvering, but awfully cheesy music.
tindione 4 years ago
Nice...go taiwan go
binchow 4 years ago
Yeah! Taiwan Topguns go go go!!!
TaiwaneseAmerican 4 years ago