I am Greek, I am appalled at th way two Eastern Orthodox peoples treat each other, that is why the miserable Turks were able to keep hold on all of us. I have been all through Macedonija. I accept the Macedonian people as brothers are Slavs, they should be treated with dignity by all their neighbours. Stop the hate, there is no room for this in Todays Europe. The towns are Macedonijian and not Greek, some are mixed. Let us all get this together and live in peace.
Stop lying. No Greek would call FYROM "Macedonians" (other than a tiny minority of leftists - of the sort of "comrades" betrayed their homeland for Tito during Greece's communist civil war). Ancient Macedonians were self-identifying Greeks. If you don't yourself as related to ancient Macedonians that's perfectly fine. Stop calling yourself Greek. Be proud of your Romanian heritage.
When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy.
may be you are one of they.
Aga Memnon is pure white Macedonian.
In ILLiad Homer write BHRATR MKD BRAT, Ilirian Bra.
@4NIM4L666 fake Slavs? thous are real Slavs idiot if they where fake Slavs then they have all the rights on Macedonia but they Bulgarian with Serbian culture
and BTW i am from kastoria and the reason that we called it kastoria since byzantine times were the beavers of the lake that are called kastores in greek.you translated it to "kostur" in 6th name.
if you can not understand the difference between change and adopt its your problem not our.those were the name that you used to call those towns and their modern names are the names that we used.since we liberated macedonia and were majority we desided to call them with our names like you call monastiri bitola.moreover you came in macedonia we were indigenous.we dicided and this will never change.
Was it not Britain and France, among the five great nations, that created the Carnegie Commission which exposed a plethora of Greek atrocities committed against the MacedonianS?
What is truly regrettable in all this is the behaviour of the European Union (EU). The EU has looked the other way, all the while Greece carried on with its charade. Surely Britain and France are well aware of the Macedonian situation. Was it not Britain and France that created Greece and supported it over the years? Was it not Britain and France that witnessed the signing of the Bucharest Treaty in 1913 and sanctioned Macedonias permanent partition in 1919?
By what right then can modern Greece, which has held Macedonian territory illegally for only 93 years, claim that Macedonia is Greek? Why is it that Macedonians who lived in Macedonia for at least 10,000 years have no right to call themselves Macedonian? Yet the settlers from Asia Minor, Albania, Epirus, Thessaly, Russia, Georgia and other places, whom Greece brought to Macedonia after 1912 and gave them Macedonian lands, HAVE the right to call themselves Macedonian.
It is a well known fact, recognized by the entire world, including Greece, that todays Macedonians have lived in Macedonia for at least 10.000 years. It is also a well known fact that Macedonia NEVER belonged to Greece, not during ancient times, not during the middle ages and certainly not during the Ottoman occupation. The only time part of Macedonia became Greek, is when Greece forcefully and illegally occupied it in 1912.
The only reason why modern Greece is laying claims to ancient Macedonia is to justify its 1912 illegal occupation of Macedonian lands and to justify the atrocities it committed against the Macedonian people!
The only reason why modern Greece is laying claims to ancient Macedonia is to justify its 1912 illegal occupation of Macedonian lands and to justify the atrocities it committed against the Macedonian people!
There are a multitude of indirect and secondary considerations to be taken into account in order to gain a clear understanding of the period of late Ottoman rule and the environment under which rival forces engaged one another aiming for the adherence of the Macedonian Christian population.
As detailed in previous chapters, Bitola was far more ethnically and religiously mixed in comparison to the rural villages, and was the seat of both the Exarchate and Patriarchate church and educational organisations, as well as nine foreign consulates, including the Greek, Bulgarian and Serb consulates. Importantly, it was one of the most contested regions in Macedonia during the late nineteenth century.
The successful expansion of the Exarchate from 1870 to 1912, following over one hundred years of unhindered Patriarchate domination, was testament to the non-Greek character of Macedonians and their determined opposition to and rejection of hellenisation.
Exarchate cannot simply be viewed as embracing Bulgarianisation, but rather, as one interviewee pointed out, there was a natural attraction to the Exarchate due to similarity of language.
The expansion of Exarchate in Northern part of Macedonia in late 19 th century is an evidence of the dominant Bulgarian national movement at those areas.
On the contrary in Southern Macedonia the situation was totally different.
Soory to say poor excuses.
Exarchate meant Bulgarian language at school,Bulgarian priests and teachers and finally Bulgarian national consciousness at that time.
What happened after 1913 in Vardar Macedonia is another story
On the other hand if one counted villages according to actual orientation a differing outcome would come as no surprise. Bitola was situated approximately 120 kilometres from the Greek border, 200 kilometres to the Bulgarian border and 170 kilometres to the Serbian border; yet was one of the most heavily contested regions and towns in Macedonia. Freedom to choose village religious jurisdiction in the Bitola region was clearly restricted
In the Bitola region, as in Macedonia generally, educational rivalry was principally between Greek Patriarchate and Bulgarian Exarchate schools (and, on a smaller scale, between Greek Patriarchate and Vlah-Romanian schools).
Evidence obtained indicates that Macedonian Christians were viewed as the same people, but of a different religion, and not as "Bulgarians" , "Greeks or "Serbs"
Claims, counter claims, ethnographic maps, statistical surveys and academic commentators from Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria engaged in a purely political rather than scientific discussion.
It is evident from archival documents and oral histories that schoolteachers in the Bitola region villages were typically local Macedonians
That's why Chakalarov and his band of VMROvci were terrorizing their co-villagers for they had not declared themselves Bulgarians.
You are not kidding anyone but yourself.There was a deep national division inside Slavic speaking Macedonians cause some of them were pro-VMRO and wanted annexation of Macedonia to Bulgaria.
Our forefathers had been considering themselves Romii Macedonians.Gradually the term Romii for the vast majority of us became Greek.
Total Population of Ottoman State,1893-Province of Monastir(Bitola) Greeks;227.766 Muslims:225.525 Bulgarians:205.892 Jews:5.072 Foreign citizens:67 Protestants:38 Armenians:29 Catholics:1. Greeks were existed in Macedonia before 1913 or 1923.Where are this separate macedonian nation?You say nothing!!!!
When the Socialist Republic of "Macedonia" was founded in 1945 , the leader named Kolishev changed his name into KolishevSKI and KIRIL Gligorov became KIRO Gligorov.
Should we mention THEODORAKI PROIA the grandfather who became overnight TODOR PROESKI?
Many inhabited places in Imathia Prefecture of Greece have both Slavic and Greek forms. Some of the forms are identifiably of Greek origin, others of Slavic, yet others of Turkish or more obscure origins. Following the First World War and the Graeco-Turkish War which followed, the Greek government undertook a renaming program to place Greek names first on places with Turkophonic, and later on those with Slavophonic names.
03.06.09 About 20 activists of Greek fascist organization "Chrysi Avyi" (Golden Dawn) interrupted late Tuesday the promotion of Greek-Macedonian dictionary in Athens, organized by party of Macedonia
The ominous prophecy of Harilaos Trikoupis, Greek Prime Minister from 1882 to 1895, foretold what the neighboring Greek state had in mind for Macedonia and its people:
When the Great War comes, Macedonia will become Greek or Bulgarian, according to who wins. If it is taken by the Bulgarians, they will make the population Slavs. If we take it, we will make all of them Greeks.
By the way your video is wrong you have the wrong Greek name for Zhelevo.....its Andartiko....that is where I am from....Long Live Aegean Macedonia!! Thank God we are not part of Vardar trash
How did genocide happen if my family and I still speak Macedonian? We are from Greece and love Greece but are Macedonians! Stop the lies...Macedonians are slavic and Greek
ασε ρε μαλακιες
Geogtkom 7 months ago
I am Greek, I am appalled at th way two Eastern Orthodox peoples treat each other, that is why the miserable Turks were able to keep hold on all of us. I have been all through Macedonija. I accept the Macedonian people as brothers are Slavs, they should be treated with dignity by all their neighbours. Stop the hate, there is no room for this in Todays Europe. The towns are Macedonijian and not Greek, some are mixed. Let us all get this together and live in peace.
felistigris4 11 months ago 3
@felistigris4
Stop lying. No Greek would call FYROM "Macedonians" (other than a tiny minority of leftists - of the sort of "comrades" betrayed their homeland for Tito during Greece's communist civil war). Ancient Macedonians were self-identifying Greeks. If you don't yourself as related to ancient Macedonians that's perfectly fine. Stop calling yourself Greek. Be proud of your Romanian heritage.
GemistusPletho 3 months ago
God bless Republic of Macedonia!
paulevans1973 1 year ago
МАКЕДОНИЈА ВЕЧНО ЌЕ Е ЖИВА!!
MakedonecMacedonian 1 year ago
Bulgaria is calling you back to join the motherland. Don't leave her waiting.
shockolanu 1 year ago
macedonian = bulgarian names :)
Sixb0nes1 1 year ago
As an American, I am contractually obligated to chuckle a bit at how much you Europeans split hairs over cultural differences.
Eduplicate 1 year ago
FYROM is Albanian territory.
4NIM4L666 1 year ago
@4NIM4L666
Get lost fucking albanians, you dont belong in our country.
slovenskimakedonac 10 months ago
When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy.
may be you are one of they.
Aga Memnon is pure white Macedonian.
In ILLiad Homer write BHRATR MKD BRAT, Ilirian Bra.
Are you BRAT or Adelfos.
sunfromGovrlevo 1 year ago 2
@sunfromGovrlevo
Krste Misirkov
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
"Macedonians means only Macedonian Bulgarians"
"“We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian."
“The only Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.”
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
THIS VIDEO IS TRASH !!
It is completely inaccurate from a historical point of view and clearly comes in a form of propaganda
qwertdfsf7 1 year ago
THIS VIDEO IS TRASH !!
Not only it is completely inaccurate from a historical point view it also comes in a form of propaganda !!
REAL MAKEDONIANS ARE GREEKS JUST LIKE ATHENIANS AND SPARTANS !!
The idiots of skopje have more commons with Bulgarians and Slavs than the real Makedonians
qwertdfsf7 1 year ago
Do you Europeans actually want these fake Slavs in your union? God dam, we'd never have them in America!
4NIM4L666 1 year ago
@4NIM4L666 fake Slavs? thous are real Slavs idiot if they where fake Slavs then they have all the rights on Macedonia but they Bulgarian with Serbian culture
DjLMFAO 1 year ago
and BTW i am from kastoria and the reason that we called it kastoria since byzantine times were the beavers of the lake that are called kastores in greek.you translated it to "kostur" in 6th name.
makaphilip 1 year ago
if you can not understand the difference between change and adopt its your problem not our.those were the name that you used to call those towns and their modern names are the names that we used.since we liberated macedonia and were majority we desided to call them with our names like you call monastiri bitola.moreover you came in macedonia we were indigenous.we dicided and this will never change.
makaphilip 1 year ago
the truth must be told, Greece must apologise to the Macedonians and compensate them for their loss. This is the real issue, IT IS NOT THE NAME.
A NAME IS A NAME
TheMakGreat 1 year ago
This is not a propaganda in contrary it is the TRUTH and THE FACTS
TheMakGreat 1 year ago
monkeydonians thieves greek history land and culture!!!!!u.s.a dollars slaves!!!!!monkey!!!donians!!!!
myking73 2 years ago
МАКЕДОНИЈА НА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ!!!!!!!!
vevcanec16 2 years ago
you motherfuckers consider your selfs macedonians you are just bastards who think they can change the history
marisoulas 2 years ago
i am borring to read sow much
papikianD 2 years ago
Was it not Britain and France, among the five great nations, that created the Carnegie Commission which exposed a plethora of Greek atrocities committed against the MacedonianS?
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago 4
What is truly regrettable in all this is the behaviour of the European Union (EU). The EU has looked the other way, all the while Greece carried on with its charade. Surely Britain and France are well aware of the Macedonian situation. Was it not Britain and France that created Greece and supported it over the years? Was it not Britain and France that witnessed the signing of the Bucharest Treaty in 1913 and sanctioned Macedonias permanent partition in 1919?
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago 2
@sunfromGovrlevo
Dont expect decency and honour from the French and English.
tracer1024 1 year ago
By what right then can modern Greece, which has held Macedonian territory illegally for only 93 years, claim that Macedonia is Greek? Why is it that Macedonians who lived in Macedonia for at least 10,000 years have no right to call themselves Macedonian? Yet the settlers from Asia Minor, Albania, Epirus, Thessaly, Russia, Georgia and other places, whom Greece brought to Macedonia after 1912 and gave them Macedonian lands, HAVE the right to call themselves Macedonian.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
It is a well known fact, recognized by the entire world, including Greece, that todays Macedonians have lived in Macedonia for at least 10.000 years. It is also a well known fact that Macedonia NEVER belonged to Greece, not during ancient times, not during the middle ages and certainly not during the Ottoman occupation. The only time part of Macedonia became Greek, is when Greece forcefully and illegally occupied it in 1912.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
The only reason why modern Greece is laying claims to ancient Macedonia is to justify its 1912 illegal occupation of Macedonian lands and to justify the atrocities it committed against the Macedonian people!
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago 2
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@sunfromGovrlevo
Qouting for truth.
The only reason why modern Greece is laying claims to ancient Macedonia is to justify its 1912 illegal occupation of Macedonian lands and to justify the atrocities it committed against the Macedonian people!
slovenskimakedonac 10 months ago
There are a multitude of indirect and secondary considerations to be taken into account in order to gain a clear understanding of the period of late Ottoman rule and the environment under which rival forces engaged one another aiming for the adherence of the Macedonian Christian population.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
I disagree with you but I like your style in writing.
finally an educated rival.good for you
redgreek2811 2 years ago
As detailed in previous chapters, Bitola was far more ethnically and religiously mixed in comparison to the rural villages, and was the seat of both the Exarchate and Patriarchate church and educational organisations, as well as nine foreign consulates, including the Greek, Bulgarian and Serb consulates. Importantly, it was one of the most contested regions in Macedonia during the late nineteenth century.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
So where did the Greek community of Bitola go after 1913?
This community including slavic and vlach speaking Greeks had a prevailing economic position in pre1913 Bitola?
Where did they go?to Greece?disappeared?were killed what?
redgreek2811 2 years ago
The successful expansion of the Exarchate from 1870 to 1912, following over one hundred years of unhindered Patriarchate domination, was testament to the non-Greek character of Macedonians and their determined opposition to and rejection of hellenisation.
Exarchate cannot simply be viewed as embracing Bulgarianisation, but rather, as one interviewee pointed out, there was a natural attraction to the Exarchate due to similarity of language.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
The expansion of Exarchate in Northern part of Macedonia in late 19 th century is an evidence of the dominant Bulgarian national movement at those areas.
On the contrary in Southern Macedonia the situation was totally different.
Soory to say poor excuses.
Exarchate meant Bulgarian language at school,Bulgarian priests and teachers and finally Bulgarian national consciousness at that time.
What happened after 1913 in Vardar Macedonia is another story
redgreek2811 2 years ago
On the other hand if one counted villages according to actual orientation a differing outcome would come as no surprise. Bitola was situated approximately 120 kilometres from the Greek border, 200 kilometres to the Bulgarian border and 170 kilometres to the Serbian border; yet was one of the most heavily contested regions and towns in Macedonia. Freedom to choose village religious jurisdiction in the Bitola region was clearly restricted
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
In the Bitola region, as in Macedonia generally, educational rivalry was principally between Greek Patriarchate and Bulgarian Exarchate schools (and, on a smaller scale, between Greek Patriarchate and Vlah-Romanian schools).
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
Evidence obtained indicates that Macedonian Christians were viewed as the same people, but of a different religion, and not as "Bulgarians" , "Greeks or "Serbs"
Claims, counter claims, ethnographic maps, statistical surveys and academic commentators from Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria engaged in a purely political rather than scientific discussion.
It is evident from archival documents and oral histories that schoolteachers in the Bitola region villages were typically local Macedonians
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
That's why Chakalarov and his band of VMROvci were terrorizing their co-villagers for they had not declared themselves Bulgarians.
You are not kidding anyone but yourself.There was a deep national division inside Slavic speaking Macedonians cause some of them were pro-VMRO and wanted annexation of Macedonia to Bulgaria.
Our forefathers had been considering themselves Romii Macedonians.Gradually the term Romii for the vast majority of us became Greek.
redgreek2811 2 years ago
Total Population of Ottoman State,1893-Province of Monastir(Bitola) Greeks;227.766 Muslims:225.525 Bulgarians:205.892 Jews:5.072 Foreign citizens:67 Protestants:38 Armenians:29 Catholics:1. Greeks were existed in Macedonia before 1913 or 1923.Where are this separate macedonian nation?You say nothing!!!!
alevas29 2 years ago
KARAMAN+LIS = BLACK MAN
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
BUT WHAT MEANS KARAMAN TYRKISH WORD LOOK
1.black
2.dark
3.ivory-black
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
When the Socialist Republic of "Macedonia" was founded in 1945 , the leader named Kolishev changed his name into KolishevSKI and KIRIL Gligorov became KIRO Gligorov.
Should we mention THEODORAKI PROIA the grandfather who became overnight TODOR PROESKI?
This joke has lasted long but now it is over
redgreek2811 2 years ago
Are you telling us that Solun is older than Thessaloniki or not?
redgreek2811 2 years ago
Name of Alexander the Greats step sister and of the city of Thessaloniki which was named after her in 315
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
Many inhabited places in Imathia Prefecture of Greece have both Slavic and Greek forms. Some of the forms are identifiably of Greek origin, others of Slavic, yet others of Turkish or more obscure origins. Following the First World War and the Graeco-Turkish War which followed, the Greek government undertook a renaming program to place Greek names first on places with Turkophonic, and later on those with Slavophonic names.
IT IS WRITTEN ON WIKIPEDIA
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
03.06.09 About 20 activists of Greek fascist organization "Chrysi Avyi" (Golden Dawn) interrupted late Tuesday the promotion of Greek-Macedonian dictionary in Athens, organized by party of Macedonia
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
There is no Greek-macedonian dictionary but in your fake world.
The abuse by Chrysi Avyi is unacceptable.
However Vinozito got only 0.09% in recent Greek elections and specifically below 4% in Florina area.
This ship has long sailed
redgreek2811 2 years ago
1994
Extremists of Australias Greek Community burn two Macedonian churches, after Australian recognition of Macedonia.
Greece continues to deny the existence of Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
Fake Propaganda #5
a8emitos 2 years ago 4
1929
Greek Government enacts law where any demands for national rights for Macedonians are regarded as high treason.
LAW 4096 directive on renaming Macedonian place names.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
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Fake Propaganda #1
a8emitos 2 years ago
1926
Legislative Orders in Government Gazette #331 orders Macedonian names of towns, villages, mountains changed to Greek names.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
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Fake Propaganda #3
a8emitos 2 years ago
1925
76 names of Macedonian villages and towns in Aegean Macedonia Greekized since 1918 by Greek authorities.
League of Nations pressures on Greece to extend rights to Macedonian minority.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
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Fake Propaganda #2
a8emitos 2 years ago
The ominous prophecy of Harilaos Trikoupis, Greek Prime Minister from 1882 to 1895, foretold what the neighboring Greek state had in mind for Macedonia and its people:
When the Great War comes, Macedonia will become Greek or Bulgarian, according to who wins. If it is taken by the Bulgarians, they will make the population Slavs. If we take it, we will make all of them Greeks.
sunfromGovrlevo 2 years ago
Fake Propaganda #1
a8emitos 2 years ago
This is propably another Fake Propaganda video.
I know Greek people that live in Macedonia at the towns that have the ancient Macedonian names,
(from ancient Greece) having a great quality of life.
Macedonia is Greek land and Greeks are very respective to history of ancient Macedonia and Greece.
DemiraLonjkil 2 years ago 7
By the way your video is wrong you have the wrong Greek name for Zhelevo.....its Andartiko....that is where I am from....Long Live Aegean Macedonia!! Thank God we are not part of Vardar trash
fsam78 2 years ago 3
How did genocide happen if my family and I still speak Macedonian? We are from Greece and love Greece but are Macedonians! Stop the lies...Macedonians are slavic and Greek
fsam78 2 years ago 4