WHAAAAT?!?!?!?! fucking americans....and their fucking english...."ATC bad english is the cause of the accident because it confused the pilots" fuck off
Loads of commments on this documentary and the documentary itself are making the KLM pilot seem like the dutch equivalent of hitler or something, cut him some slack, i'm sure if he had any idea something like this was going to happen he would have acted differently. I appreciate that a lot of people died and he has to partially accept some blame but it really was just a series of unfortunate events that nobody intended to end like this. RIP to all who lost their lives...
Ja ik weet niet veel over het "air traffic" Maar het is hier heel duidelijk dat het "star pilot" van KLM heeft jet grootste fout gemaakt om niet te wachten op Oke van de control toren.Jammer Jammer erg Jammer hoe 583 personen zijn overlijden door iemands onverantwoordelijkheid!! Beter laat dan nooit!
Language barriers, Pam Am possibly mistaking C4 to be the third exit............whatever the reason, the fact remains, KLM's pilot did not have ATC clearance to move his plane, he only had clearance on the path he would be taking after take off...........moving his plane is a separate command which he did not wait for. Fuck the dutch on this one.
the dutch pilot whas quitly nothing to say about that, he whas impatient and he wanted to take of because of rules. but i say one thing that dossent mean that dutch ppl are stupid that pilot made a very big mistake of beying impatient.
with my work i drive a lot of pilots and a lot of klm to and they still regrat wath he did and now when the captain ore the rest of the crew dont hear it correctly they ask till they all hear it iff they are clear to take off so there no more mistakes
My God, this acting is tottaly disrespectful... Captain Van Zanten is not portrayed anywhere as an arrogant asshole who would behave in such a manner. He was described as of having a friendly character but an introspective mood, and he was also an admirer of the United States.
It was undoubtably his fault, a moment of irresponsible behaviour, but it seems it was more the result of an unfortunate series of misunderstandings, and not him acting on a whim like this shows.
Thank you Spain for saying what we were all think if this guy is the big cheese why was he so scared to wait if i was him i would have waited and not been an asshole and when i got back put klm in their place for such stupid rules and being the big cheese they would have probably listened this guy was a fucking coward to be scared of his company when hes the fucking poster boy
the fault may lay completely on the durch KLM pilot, but if you would face him after this disaster. Would you really tell him he is responsible for the death of 538 people!!!
Everyone can do such fault!
But surely it was never his intention. So, no matter what the circumstance. Don't blame him or his character. But yes, he is an asshole ;)
95% of the blame lies with van zanten. That said with the fog being as bad as it was the tower should never had sent the pan am 747 onto the runway til the klm had taken off.
Well, the actors representing the Dutch pilots use a bit of dramatic license (facial expressions), but the transcript is undeniable. The KLM pilot made the mistake. It is disturbing that the Dutch authorities tried to blame the Spanish ATC and the Pan Am crew when their own crew was so obviously at fault. It is like pulling the trigger and then blaming the victim for not getting out of the way of the bullet.
@harkovadm many Dutch people are arrogant, they seem themselves as superior and more clever, so it's convenient to blame other 'inferior' race people, next they will tell you that it was the other pilots' astrology circumstances that caused the accident, Dutch don't make human mistakes, they even have remote viewing skills and can see through fog, or so they think when they are high on beer or marihuana..
@VERGIS92 It is not about the nations... seriously? you honestly believe that since the pilot was dutch the colision happened? You are wether a nationalist or an idiot, although those two are not far from each other. It is basic human factors in this accident. The KLM Captain was over confident in his actions since he was the "star" and experienced pilot in KLM, also he was not just blinded by the experience, but also by the hasle he created to get back home on time. Tha'ts only for pilots...
@89sagit also they posted their own report since no airliner wants to be blamed for something undefinate. Since that blame would just critically effect their income. And airlines are not only about safety, but about money, since safer they are more income they get(basics).
sensless debate you do someone here ...it s part of the history now ...it s called human erorr...
Gioagla 1 week ago
Arrogant European fuckhead, what a shame because of his ignorance...
orangefanization 1 month ago
WHAAAAT?!?!?!?! fucking americans....and their fucking english...."ATC bad english is the cause of the accident because it confused the pilots" fuck off
olibaumgarten 1 month ago
@olibaumgarten mate! come down! Americans didn't say such a thing! the stupid Dutch report said such a nonsense statement! Cheers,
arashkanani 1 month ago
Loads of commments on this documentary and the documentary itself are making the KLM pilot seem like the dutch equivalent of hitler or something, cut him some slack, i'm sure if he had any idea something like this was going to happen he would have acted differently. I appreciate that a lot of people died and he has to partially accept some blame but it really was just a series of unfortunate events that nobody intended to end like this. RIP to all who lost their lives...
RawrRawrDebz 2 months ago
Ja ik weet niet veel over het "air traffic" Maar het is hier heel duidelijk dat het "star pilot" van KLM heeft jet grootste fout gemaakt om niet te wachten op Oke van de control toren.Jammer Jammer erg Jammer hoe 583 personen zijn overlijden door iemands onverantwoordelijkheid!! Beter laat dan nooit!
claritzalopez 2 months ago
Language barriers, Pam Am possibly mistaking C4 to be the third exit............whatever the reason, the fact remains, KLM's pilot did not have ATC clearance to move his plane, he only had clearance on the path he would be taking after take off...........moving his plane is a separate command which he did not wait for. Fuck the dutch on this one.
P90X490104 2 months ago
the dutch pilot whas quitly nothing to say about that, he whas impatient and he wanted to take of because of rules. but i say one thing that dossent mean that dutch ppl are stupid that pilot made a very big mistake of beying impatient.
with my work i drive a lot of pilots and a lot of klm to and they still regrat wath he did and now when the captain ore the rest of the crew dont hear it correctly they ask till they all hear it iff they are clear to take off so there no more mistakes
brandweer741 3 months ago
what has happend with the pilot and crew members of the klm 747?
limagabriel68 4 months ago
My God, this acting is tottaly disrespectful... Captain Van Zanten is not portrayed anywhere as an arrogant asshole who would behave in such a manner. He was described as of having a friendly character but an introspective mood, and he was also an admirer of the United States.
It was undoubtably his fault, a moment of irresponsible behaviour, but it seems it was more the result of an unfortunate series of misunderstandings, and not him acting on a whim like this shows.
Really, really sad.
aNaFi85 4 months ago
Stupid dutch, you guys here that, yes, stupid dutch. Clearly pilots fault.
nils4545 5 months ago
@nils4545 Dutch people are not stupid, just our pilots and the KLM. finally, the KLM pilot also the Dutch passengers killed. ( Idiot....)
GDIllustraties 5 months ago
Thank you Spain for saying what we were all think if this guy is the big cheese why was he so scared to wait if i was him i would have waited and not been an asshole and when i got back put klm in their place for such stupid rules and being the big cheese they would have probably listened this guy was a fucking coward to be scared of his company when hes the fucking poster boy
Chrisindapurplehouse 6 months ago
Oh fuck off you Dutch bastards trying to pin this on the Spanish when you know you are guilty as sin
Chrisindapurplehouse 6 months ago
In 2001-2011 this would be declared an act of terrorism.
Because no human being can grasp the misfortune of such event without blaming someone.
BuddhaMaster84 9 months ago 10
the fault may lay completely on the durch KLM pilot, but if you would face him after this disaster. Would you really tell him he is responsible for the death of 538 people!!!
Everyone can do such fault!
But surely it was never his intention. So, no matter what the circumstance. Don't blame him or his character. But yes, he is an asshole ;)
BuddhaMaster84 9 months ago
95% of the blame lies with van zanten. That said with the fog being as bad as it was the tower should never had sent the pan am 747 onto the runway til the klm had taken off.
veolia215 1 year ago
typical fucking dutch.
anddyx 1 year ago
Comment removed
erroVreef 3 months ago
@erroVreef still typical dutch. But I'm The Hague now, getting your money, which is my money as well.
anddyx 3 months ago 2
Comment removed
erroVreef 3 months ago
@erroVreef Nee, ik wil niet dat je te ontmoeten. Ik heb je gezegd dat je bent te lelijk voor mij.
anddyx 3 months ago
@erroVreef Stop met me vervelend.
anddyx 3 months ago
Well, the actors representing the Dutch pilots use a bit of dramatic license (facial expressions), but the transcript is undeniable. The KLM pilot made the mistake. It is disturbing that the Dutch authorities tried to blame the Spanish ATC and the Pan Am crew when their own crew was so obviously at fault. It is like pulling the trigger and then blaming the victim for not getting out of the way of the bullet.
harkovadm 1 year ago 35
@harkovadm many Dutch people are arrogant, they seem themselves as superior and more clever, so it's convenient to blame other 'inferior' race people, next they will tell you that it was the other pilots' astrology circumstances that caused the accident, Dutch don't make human mistakes, they even have remote viewing skills and can see through fog, or so they think when they are high on beer or marihuana..
VERGIS92 2 months ago
@VERGIS92 It is not about the nations... seriously? you honestly believe that since the pilot was dutch the colision happened? You are wether a nationalist or an idiot, although those two are not far from each other. It is basic human factors in this accident. The KLM Captain was over confident in his actions since he was the "star" and experienced pilot in KLM, also he was not just blinded by the experience, but also by the hasle he created to get back home on time. Tha'ts only for pilots...
89sagit 1 month ago
@89sagit also they posted their own report since no airliner wants to be blamed for something undefinate. Since that blame would just critically effect their income. And airlines are not only about safety, but about money, since safer they are more income they get(basics).
89sagit 1 month ago
Van Zanten says: "I know that"... And in spite of all he start to take off. MURDERER.
raulox71 1 year ago
why is first thougt of me,is that how boring it is too fly, uf',ah
maidmoira 1 year ago