@CoronaJoe Tyson couldve been better though had Cus Dmato not passed away and had he had had better people in his corner. Cus Dmato was a father figure and being mixed up with Robin Givens didnt help matters. I think Mike pre 1992 couldve beaten any heavyweight all time. He had a superb punchers chance. The head movement was better, the power, the killer instinct, was all there. In 1995 when he came back he wasnt the same no more.
@CoronaJoe I agree you on this to a degree i mean the 70s was probably the most competitive decade for a champion. I wonder how Marciano wouldve done against the likes of Frazier, Foreman,Norton, Shavers, Holmes, Quarry, Bonavena, Patterson. It was a dominant decade. Ali said he believed Marciano was better than Frazier because when they fought the computer match in 69 they were just sparring and Marciano was hurting Alis arms with punches.
Did Tyson ever beat anyone who wasn't already beaten before stepping in the ring with him? If Tyson couldn't intimidate his opponent, he was at a severe disadvantage. Now put him up against the best HW's of all time. None of them will scare and so Tyson will have to win on guts and boxing talent. Let's just say those aren't his strong suits.
I say top ten should be #1. Muhammad Ali three time champ, the greatest #2. Joe Louis heavyweight of two decades. #3. Jack Johnson fighter of a decade, first black heavyweight all time. Set and example and the bar for blacks to follow like Ali. #4. Jack Dempsey fighter of the 20s, historic long count fight with Gene Tunney #5. Rocky Marciano #6. Larry Holmes 48-0 before he lost. #7. George Foreman #8. Joe Frazier #9. Lennox Lewis #10. Evander Holyfield
See, this is why I use the term ignorant when I talk to Tyson groupies..Let me set you straight kid.
Holyfield was calling for a Tyson fight for a couple of years before he went to jail, in every interview he had..once Holyfield had KO'ed a couple of guys that Tyson couldn't (Tillis and Douglas), there was huge public interest. They announced a fight, even held a press conference etc. Mike pulled out, BECAUSE he was sent to jail, hardly Evander's fault.
As for Lewis....at the time Mike went to jail, Lennox hadn't even fought in the States, and had only had 14 fights!! How was a guy who wasn't even on the radar yet "not wanting anything to do with" Mike Tyson??
By the time he destroyed Rudduck (you recall Rudduck right? Went 19 rounds with Mike) for the title, Mike was already long in jail.
You groupies need to get your facts straight....must suck to have to make constant excuses for your hero!
Good list, I would say its very accurate. Ali was truly great and its scary that we didnt even see him in his real prime. The perfect fantasy bout.. Muhammad Ali vs Joe Louis!
dempsey is tough and hard-hitting..no question about it. but i see him as the least skilled in the top heavyweights..plus he had weaker oppositions..he barely fights with blacks anyway..please forgive me..
I think the least important things when compiling an all-time list are sort of naked-eye observations. Or fantasy matchup predictions. Did Tyson strike me as the most brutal heavyweight force I've ever seen? Sure. Would he have beaten Marciano. Yeah, probably. But it's unfair to judge different eras, especially in this weight class where the heavyweight has totally changed. Sonny Liston was considered a monster at 210 pounds.
My top ten doesnt have Liston or Tyson, I went with Frazier and Dempsey where you left them out. Frazier maybe, but Dempsey? There's gotta be a spot in the top 10 for the guy who invented a lot of the qualities we still look for in heavywts.
I think Marciano is underrated. Cleaned out the division really. His era was no weaker than Louis or Holmes.
I think Lennox is 2 punches out of the top 3. But 5 is a mighty ambitious placement.
Rocky's era was no weaker, but he also didn't make 20 and 25 title defenses....and careers aside, do you think he would have beaten Louis (one that wasn't almost 40) or Holmes? I certainly don't....
@CoronaJoe Joe Louis said that he never could've whipped Rocky at any time in his career! Holmes struggled against Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton, Mike Weaver, Tim Witherspoon, and Lost to Spinks twice and beat and over the hill washed up Ali. Holmes was good practicaly great. Itd be a great fight between him and Rocky!
I don't put much weight into what fighters say, lots of them say things like that..could give many examples from the likes of Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield..even Ali. Only fighters with huge egos (Lewis, Jones, Mayweather..lol) refrain from saying "so and so would have kicked my butt".
In my (the one I value most) opinion, Rocky would have been in trouble vs a prime Louis. Holmes would have dominated him and stopped him late too...Rocky would be swinging those little arms at air all night.
@CoronaJoe The way Rocky dominated though. I look at the way he crushed Walcott in the first fight with bone jarring cross in the 13th round that took the life out of Walcott looked like the punch was inhuman. In the rematch Rocky dominated even more knocking him out in the 1st round. Same with Charles he struggled the first bout but in the 2nd wickedly koed him in the 8th. Against Moore chopped him down good in the 9th. Against Louis dominated him like no other fighter did.
I think Dempsey was better than Liston. He was Heavyweight of the 1920's and got sort of robbed against Tunney in the 2nd fight. He practically won all his fights and was a more devastating puncher than Liston. Theres an old Ring magazine with various boxing experts that evenly pick who would of won out of Dempsey and Louis so Its like a coin toss. Dempsey should be in everybodys top ten!
I don't base my opinion on what others think....Dempsey wouldn't have had a chance against Louis, in MY opinion.
Dempsey did great things for the sport, but I think his career was perfectly timed...had he come around any later, he wouldn't have been champion...too crude and limited for my top 10, somewhere 13-15 for me...
@CoronaJoe Remember though Dempsey was the Heavyweight of the 1920s'. Liston got knockedout by Leotis Martin. I just cant place Liston over Dempsey. Dempsey had a better career, was champ longer, was a fighter of a decade, and was just as powerful as Liston. I agree Liston should be ranked at least as high as 11 or 12 though.
Based on career alone, one could definitely argue Dempsey over Liston....but I don't have any doubt who'd win if they could have met in the ring. I think Liston would have beaten Dempsey, but it would have been a great fight....Liston was a more complete fighter, not so wild and raw....his jab would have given Jack fits.
I really think Jack (like Tyson and Marciano) benefitted hugely from timing...they came along at the right time to dominate...
@CoronaJoe Ok that might be true. Liston had a remarkable jab and super dominant lead left, and had a good career but if youre making a top ten list going by careers then Dempsey should be in the top ten no doubt. Who wouldve won had they had met in the ring? Thats a tough question!
I tried to combine BOTH criteria when I made this list.
I don't think it's fair to rank only on career when fighter A had no competition and fighter B did. For instance 0 losses for Rocky doesn't impress me as much as a guy like Ali who had a few losses, but against much better competition etc..It also wouldn't be fair to simply look at who would beat whom...so, consider both...and considering both, I just don't think Jack matches up with the rest of my top 10. All just opnions of course.
@CoronaJoe Oh i see but just Ali like said in 1988 during the great documentry Chapions are forever he said he was the best in his own time. Just like Jack Johnson was the best in his time, Marciano was the best in his time, Dempsey was the best in his time, Ali was the best in his time. So when i made my list i considered who had the better careers and who were the best or among the best in their time and in history.
In the UK somewhere, getting fatter and less relevant by the day.
This is a top 10 HEAVYWEIGHT list, Naseem was not a HEAVYWEIGHT. For the record though, he wouldn't be on my pound for pound list either. The only list he'd make it on to would be "top 10 goofiest", or "top 10 most over-rated in history".
@CoronaJoe ow oke oke i didn't pay attention to HEAVYWEIGHT although it's on Caps Lock, but anyways i didn't ask were he is at the moment.
i would bet 1000 dollars for the prince of 10 years ago, IF (not possible of course) he matches one of your top 10 heavyweight boxers, he would knock them all down except tyson and ali .
He couldn't hurt Barrera, but he could knock down Liston, Foreman, Holyfield etc.? Please tell my you're joking? Hell, even the equally useless Haye would stop Hamed with the first right he throws, and would laugh at Hamed's "power".
Hamed hit hard, for a 126 pounder, but his opposition was terrible, old men and nobodies, barely one opponent with a KO ratio above 60%, who was under 35...lol. I rarely bet on boxing, but I made tons on Barrera that night, was never more sure of an outcome.
@akosihelbert i got owned by your fat mother with hairy tits motherfucker!! it was just a mistake, because i was a little bit drunk so get the fuck out of my sight fucking gay!
hamed will knock you're ass down even he's fat, every boxer will become fat if he stops boxing fucking cow.. you don't know any thing of boxing fucking hindoe hhahaha go search for religion to believe in fucking whore, and don't talk about muslims because we muslims gotta take over till the day of orders fucking cunt who don't have life, go look for some live first and then for dick.
By the way, Mike got beat up by Buster Douglas while in his "prime". You Mike fans with your "in his prime" arguments, cracks me up. You can't redefine the word prime to suit your argument, either a fighter was great or he wasn't. Ali for example, beat Foreman, Frazier, Norton etc while in his 30's, well out of his prime.
Go listen to Tupac while beating off to Mike highlights kid! LOL
Anyone who ranks Mike top 3 is just purely ignorant of the sports history. Call him your fav heavyweight all you like, but to call him better is just an insult to his co-greats. He'd be the first to tell you that he doesn't deserve to be rated higher than these men.
One makes 6 defenses, and loses by KO to Buster Douglas..also loses to every great opponent he met. His fans do nothing but makes excuses for him.
Others make 20 and 25 defenses...beat hall of famers...no excuses required.
Tyson has no business on any Top 10 list. Any one who resorts to biting when the going gets tough in the ring, can't stand alongside the great fighters of all-time. If Tyson couldn't intimidate you, he couldn't beat you. No mental toughness at all. Period. And in the end, he beat a bunch of nobodies and an old Larry Holmes. That is not the record of a Top 10 fighter.
Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson Joe Frazier Joe Louis George Foreman Rocky Marciano Evander Holyfield Lennox Lewis Jack Johnson Vitali Klitschko Thats my top ten.
Whether it's based on accomplishments (20 title defenses for example) or skill (best jab the division has ever seen, under rated overall skills), you rarely see a top 10 list without Larry Holmes on it.
Only the purely ignorant would rank Mike any higher than 8th., and he has that spot on potential only...if one were to rank SOLELY on accomplishments, he'd be lucky to crack the top 10 at all.
Learn about the fighters I have ranked ahead of him, and you will agree...
@CoronaJoe u dont know what ur talking about tyson would rip anybody apart on this list. if it was for the heavyweight championship, that same tyson that killed berbick would rip every boxers asshole apart on this list. age 20-26 TYSON NUMBER 1
Tyson couldn't "rip apart" Douglas, Tillis, Tucker, Green, Smith, McBride, Williams etc....and we all know what happened against Lewis and Holyfield....yet he could "rip apart" Ali, Louis, Foreman, Holmes (one that isn't almost 40) etc???
You're just ignorant....I bet you only know Tyson from his youtube highlights, probably never even saw him fight. Educate yourself..
Nah, nobody believes you!....you haven't seen all his fights....you couldn't pick James Tillis and Mitch Green out of a lineup that included PeeWee Herman.
You're a typical Tyson groupie, you base your opinions of him SOLELY on his well edited youtube highlight clips. You have no idea who Joe Louis or Sonny Liston even were.
Tyson groupies remind me of the current "Pac is the best ever" fans....you rank him #1 when you have ZERO idea who you're ranking him above.
@CoronaJoe about the pac you have a really good point, people dont realise theres so many boxers that could beat pac already and better ones in other weight classes, floyd mayweather is equal to him in my opinion mmaybe a little bitter, khan is a little behind him and all that
I like Pac a lot, but he's NOWHERE near being the #1 all time as some go on about....he's not even #1 right now in my books. Love him or hate him, I think Floyd is head and shoulders better, and people will be shocked at how easily he beats Pac. All we'll hear afterwards are excuse after excuse for Pac.
As for Khan, he's way behind both of them....always has been and always will be.
Jim Lampley is right, all the great Heavyweight boxers are playing linebacker in the NFL and power forward in the NBA...I could really see Ray Lewis as a great Heavyweight boxer..
I debated anywhere from 8th to 12th.....you're right though, considering he never once beat a great prime opponent, never avenged a loss, never got up or came from behind to win, built his reputation beating tomato cans with records like 12-19 etc etc...8th may be too high. I put him there based mostly on the fact that I think he would have defeated the other fighters I have in the 8-12 rankings....Marciano, Liston, Frazier etc.
He'd be difficult for anyone, but best of all times? Put down the bong.
A fat old semi retired Lewis beat him, busted him up....a younger, prepared Lewis would have stopped him. Ali, Holmes, and Foreman would have defeated him too. I'd have a tough time picking a winner vs a young Holyfield or Louis too (based on his size alone...)
In my opinion size does matter and many of the older boxers would not be able to surive the super heavies rather than ranked them pound for pound and to judge them at their best performances and in top condition 10) Sonny Liston 9) Evander Holyfield 8) Riddick Bowe 7)Lennox Lewis 6) George Foreman 5) Joe Louis 4) Mike Tyson 3)Wladmir Klichco 2) Larry Holmes 1) Mohamid Ali Honable mentions Joe Frazier Vittal Klichco and Tony Tucker
@EpicDiscoverer, Tyson is perhaps (I'll stress the word perhaps) low end of a top 10 - and again I'll stress, low end. Has no business being as high as 3. And Roy Jones Jr? Put down whatever it is you're drinking / smoking. The man had ONE fight at Heavyweight in which he beat a profoundly average belt holder in Ruiz, the same Ruiz who has constantly lost to the best Heavyweights he's faced. And you're telling me that makes him a top 5 Heavyweight? Christ Almighty...
@EpicDiscoverer lol Are you out of your mind?! Roy jones only had like 1 fight in the heavyweight division against an average HW. No fucking way that he should even be on a heavyweight list,let alone in top 5 heavyweights of all time.
1. Archie Moore 2. Sugar Ray Robinson 3. Rocky Marciano 4. Muhammad Ali 5. Willy Pep 6. Julio Cesar Chavez 7. Joe Louis 8. Roberto Duran 9. Roy Jones Jr 10. Carlos Monzon 11. Jose Napoles 12. Marvin Hagler 13. Gene Tunney 14. Lennox Lewis 15. Harry Greb 16. Henry Armstrong 17. Benny Leonard 18. Mike Tyson 19. Sam Langford 20. Sandy Saddler
this is the the top 10 p4p list 1.Sugar Ray Robinson 2.Muhammad Ali 3.Willie Pep 4.Joe Louis 5.Jack Johnson 6.Roberto Duran 7.Henry Armstrong 8.Ezzard Charles 9.Archie Moore 10.Jack Dempsey
personally, I can't really understand how people can say the likes of Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey Its hard to judge because of the film footage you see of them. Its grainy and slightly behind in sequence. unless you seen them fight ringside and are as old as Crown jewels then I can't really see how you can say the likes of Jack Johnson. Ali. Foreman, Frazier,Holmes,Holyfield,Lewis,TysonI can see. Marciano footage aint bad Joe Lousi footage is so so. From what I can see. Ali is the Greatest ever
Since we last talked, Joe, I've made a top 50 p4p fighters list and a list of all the best Universal, Undisputed and Lineal Heavyweights. I seriously disagree with your list now. Top ten heavyweights in my opinion: 1. Joe Louis 2. Jack Dempsey 3. Muhammad Ali 4. Rocky Marciano 5. Jim J. Jeffries 6. Jack Johnson 7. George Foreman 8. Gene Tunney 9. Joe Frazier 10. Bob Fitzsimmons
You can seriously disagree with my list all you like, but not even Stevie Wonder would rank Dempsey above Ali. I see you're trying your hardest to include as many white dudes as you can, but my list is based on skill and accomplishments over skin tone.
I can honestly say yours is the first top 10 list I've ever seen without Larry Holmes on it. No Lennox either? I "seriously disagree"....lmao...
@CoronaJoe So now you're pulling the race card? Tisk tisk. I knew you were black, only black guys dismiss Dempsey. So, I'd say skintone is a factor in your list. My list changed a little: 1 louis 2 dempsey 3 ali 4 marciano 5 jeffries 6 johnson 7 liston 8 tunney 9 holyfield 10 fitzsimmons. My list takes into consideration media approval, skill, accomplishments and pop culture. I want to give a honorable mention to Archie Moore. Not winning the world title takes points off sadly.
@CoronaJoe Now, since you critized my placing of white fighters: Dempsey was an all around great. He knocked out plenty of world class fighters out early, usually in the first round. He has more 1st round knockouts than anyone. Marciano was never the betting favorite. Yet he won every fight. His power is unmatched, he knock opponents into the audience more often than on the floor. Many champions and historians considered Jeffries the greatest. He beat the best in the world, most more than once.
@crowley0312, calling Fitzsimmons a 'dominating champion' is pushing things to ridiculous extremes. Lost the title in his first defence, failed to regain it, and was outboxed for most of the 14 rounds before he stopped Corbett to win it in the first place. Dempsey above Ali? Come off it. Great fighter, but his best wins were usually against Light-Heavyweights, and Light-Heavyweights who the Middleweight Greb had usually beaten, too.
@CoronaJoe (continued) His only loss was when he came out of retirement, well past his prime. Tunney is often forgotten, but he was one of the best techinicians of all time. He never met a fighter who he couldn't figure out. Fitzsimmons, like Holyfield, never outweighed his opponents. In fact, he's the lightest HW champion of all time. But he was still a very dominating champion.
You've never seen a list without Holmes? That explains why your list sucks. Lennox would have lost to Tyson, Bowe,
@CoronaJoe (continued) and Holyfield had he fought them sooner. His style allowed him to fight on long past their primes. One must consider how bad he was before then.
I think Ali was overhyped by media. He was good, but his competition was all sluggers, something his style worked well with. Never fought a feinter. He was also always open for a left hook after a jab. Dempsey would capitalize on that. Hell, I bet you're one of those idiots who ranks Ali as the best because he said he was LOL.
@crowley0312 I did not "play the race card", I simply pointed out that you rate a lot of white fighters ahead of better fighters, obviously based on their skin tone.
Lewis was boring at times, but he would have picked his teeth with Dempsey.
For the record, not that it matters, but I'm a white guy....I rate my fighters based on who was better, and who acccomplished more, I don't let things like media approval and pop culture cloud my judgement, or skin tone as you obviously do.
Tyson didn't earn a spot in any Top 10 list. Just who did he beat? Marvin Frazier? An old Larry Holmes? And uh ... bunch 'a nobodies. In fact, when he did face decent fighters in the prime (Holyfield, Lewis), he lost and lost big time. Tyson had immense physical gifts, but he was a poor ring general and, quite frankly, he lacked ring courage. If you couldn't intimidate you before the fight, he wasn't going to win. He never came off the canvas or came back from a tough round. Not once.
@PackerBronco my only quarrel with what you say is that Tyson lost to Holyfield and Lewis in his prime. He was past his prime and had already spent time in jail and 4 years off.
@PackerBronco That's because he was too bust knocking people to their arse . Get real . Youngest heavy weight ever. Cleared the heavy-weight division at that time and how !!-with predominantly first round knock-outs . Skillful, powerful,accurate. You Tyson haters use the same mantras, weak opposition blah,blah . The truth is whilst admittedly short-lived top of his game he would have beaten anyone .
@waindesign, he fought in such a different era, though. As a bare-knuckler, under the London Prize Ring rules, he was very possibly THE greatest of them all. However (aplogies if I'm wrong), I believe that Joe's list is centred around modern boxing so to speak; the gloved era, Marquees of Queensberry rules. Given that Sullivan had one title fight under these conditions - and lost - it would be strange to have him in the list.
The 1990s was one of the best decades of heavyweight boxing, which also means that the competition among fighters was one of the toughest ever. You had legends such as Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, and even Bowe, proving their worth. You also had world-class fighters in Oliver McCall, Michael Moorer, and Razor Ruddock. And of course, how could you forget the rising young powers, such as Ike Ibeabuchi, Michael Grant, David Tua, Andew Golota, and Chris Byrd? That was an awesome decade!
Historically, the heavyweight division has always been the toughest and the best division of pro boxing. Nowadays, the same cannot be said because the Klitschkos have no serious competitors.
@jdoro63, you're joking with that first point, surely? If anything, Heavyweight has been one of the poorest in terms of talent depth, outstanding champions produced and all-round ability of the men fighting in it. Light-Heavyweight (Charles, Moore, Tunney, Spinks, Foster), Middleweight (Greb, Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins, Ketchel), Welterweight (Robinson, Armstrong, R. Leonard, Gavilan, Napoles) and Lightweight (Duran, B.Leonard, Whitaker, Gans, Williams) are all far superior. Richest, but not best.
@RihannasBikeSeat I think you misunderstood what I said. My first point is that the 1990s was one of the best decades of HEAVYWEIGHT boxing, NOT boxing OVERALL. Guys like Monzon, Ketchel, Napoles, Gavilan, Gans can't even stand next to legends such as Ali, Frazier, Marciano, Joe Louis, Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson. These are Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers, some of the best fighters in history.
@jdoro63, Monzon, Gavilan, Napoles, Ketchel etc are all in the Hall of Fame too, you know. Seriously, look at the skill set of Foreman, or who he actually beat in his career, compared to someone like Monzon or Gavilan. Foreman comes a very poor second!
It's always been the most popular division, but definitely not the toughest etc. I'll be making a top 10 pound for pound video soon, and only one heavyweight makes the list ;)
@94boxen, what makes you say that? Presumably because he beat Ali once and pushed him close two other times? Well, so did Norton. In fact, Norton probably gave Ali more problems than Frazier did across their 3 fights. So should we have Norton as a top 10 Heavyweight automatically as well? Personally, I'd have Frazier sneaking in to my top 10 in that final spot, but having him miss out by a spot or so isn't really that far-fetched.
@jdoro63 its cuz the klitchkos don't display the same emotion that the people say when ali, tyson,frazier were around...its more mechanical....people know its a fight..but they dont see the boxers behave as if its a fight...its like they are going easy...thats why manny is hyped so much...cause he is a fighter...not because of his tecjnique whatsoever....thats why flyod is not given so much credit by peopel cuz he is technically superior, but people care more about the spirit....
I think Larry Holmes' jab was overrall better than Ali's, but the way Ali used his jab combined with his unorthodox outside style i think makes his the best jab. When you added a jab to Ali's style, it was the perfect combination.
It's a shame. Look at todays boxing. Their are so many different classes it's sick. Heavyweight was for the exceptionally strong and the damn well quick. Boxers came up with any number of barrages, moves, whatever they could to beat the other guy. Dempsy was smaller, scrawnier, and damn if he didn't figure out how to use sheer momentum to turn his fists into a ko.
Now look at it, heavyweight is made up of people that hold half the match and would prolly die if a real heavy weight hooked em.
@CoronaJoe he's overrated by everyone because he was the first black champion he held the tittle for 7 years but so did john l sullivan jack dempsey and wladamir klitschko his record isen't that good marciano and dempsey are alot better than he was
Dempsey was a bar room brawler compared to Jack Johnson. You obviously have skin color issues you need to deal with before you even attempt to rate all time fighters.
@CoronaJoe rocky mariciano beat jersey joe ezzard charles archie moore and joe louis.....and if u discredit the louis fight because he was past prime same goes to tysons best defense against holmes tyson never beat anyone
I put Rocky's win over Louis about right on par with Tyson's win over Holmes, credibility wise. They both beat former all-time great fighters, but versions that were almost 40 years of age and LONG past their primes. The results of both fights would be reversed if the opponents were in their 20's, rather than their late 30's. Hell, let's turn it around all together and pit Louis and Holmes in their 20's vs. late 30's Rocky and Mike...how do you think would have gone?
@CoronaJoe i think holmes would of ko mike if he was in his 30's im not sure with the louis marciano fight tho but i would have to give it to louis by UD i think marciano's big looping right hand shots would be picked off over n over idk if joe would let rocky do his inside work....that saying i wish boxers would save their money our great boxers are mostly broke i hate how the IRS went after joe louis the way they did....and how larry holmes fought butterbean..tyson getting ko'ed by bums
Muhammad Ali said himself that he could have danced around the ring past Tyson but if Tyson hit him once he would be Down and out.. he said that Tyson would have beat him.. enough said lol
If I had a dollar for every time a Tyson groupie misquoted Ali...lmao...Ali said "IF he caught me, but I was pretty quick", that's hardly admitting defeat. IF Mike caught anyone, he "could" have beaten them, but in my opinion, there are a lot of champions on my list that he would NOT have caught.
If you're so much into quoting fighters, what about Tyson saying the results would have been opposite had he met a prime Holmes...or the fact that he said he could NEVER have beaten Lewis?
@CoronaJoe this was about Ali and Tyson not anyone else so i dont understand why u even brought other people into it.. and its not like Ali wouldnt have been caught by Tyson in the ring at any point during every round.. also dont understand why your so aggressive about a statement, its my opinion and it Ali might have been quick but he wouldnt have dodged all of Tysons punches.
I brought others into it because you said a claim by Ali meant Tyson would have beaten him. I was honestly curious how you felt about the other two quotes.
Sure, Ali probably would have been caught eventually, but just as he was against guys like Foreman, Liston, Frazier and Shavers, he would have been fine. The bigger question for me would be whether Mike could stand up to Ali's movement etc....I think he'd get frustrated EARLY, and would all go down hill from there.
@ThatPhunnyStuff if you payed ANY attention to that video where Ali said that, you could easily have telled he was joking. Also, after Ali joked about that, Tyson's words were, "Look, I know I'm great, but every head must bow and every tongue must profess, Ali is the greatest of all time." then later said he dosen't think he could beat Ali. Either way, Tyson does not compare to Ali... "enough said lol"
@CoronaJoe either way, it dosen't matter what they said, Tyson seriously is not on Ali's level. Anyone who thinks Tyson would beat Ali is 9 times outta 10 being a Tyson fanboy...
@CoronaJoe yeah and it's dumb that people use that as an excuse that Tyson would knock Ali out with one punch. When he faced fighters that hit even harder than Tyson like Earnie Shavers (who was the hardest hiter of all time), George Foreman, Sonny Liston hit just as hard, and if not harder. Frazier might not of hit quite as hard as Tyson did but had bombs too. I think Ali would win by UD, and wouldn't try to go for the KO, but i wouldn't be suprised if Ali did knock Tyson out...
Dempsey and Marciano fought taller opponents all the time. Lewis isn't different. Don't let different era's fool you, Prime Dempsey would destroy guys like Holmes, Frazier, and kill guys like Lewis and Tyson. He'd also have a 50-50 chance against Ali and Louis. Lets not forget The Super Fight, where Marciano won a tournament of past HW champs and Ali. Theres a reason they always make top 10 HWs. Don't say I'm not worth debating with, the fact you dont have Langford here shows your no Fleischer.
Other than Willard, who was more McBride than Lewis, who did either of them fight that was ANYWHERE near being as big as Lewis? Lewis used his size very well too, would lean on these guys, hold them, easily toss them around the ring.
He may have been boring, but he had the tools to make these two look pretty limited, and the size to make them look like middleweights.
Yes, thinking Dempsey would kill these guys, plus quoting a computer simulated contest makes you not worth debating with.
@CoronaJoe Marciano was very short. He probably fought someone on an even height advantage. Dempsey beat the shit out of adults when he was a teenager. How am I supposed to know how tall all his opponents were? He fought almost a hundred years ago. He fought very often; it's likely he had tall fighters.
All Lewis had were his height and long arms. There is to much muscle pumping now; Jack and Rocky had good weight for their time.
Computer simuations are more accurate than anyone's guess. Rocky's talent was clearly above his era; he can't help when he's born. Ali expressed doubt he could knock him out and said he was probably better than Frazier; Ali is well known for his analitical skills.
@CoronaJoe I just found another tall opponent for Dempsey: Fred Fulton. He was a top fighter at the time and was over a foot taller than Dempsey. Dempsey knocked him out.
Fulton was 6'6"....you don't really think that's a foot taller than Dempsey do you??
Haye beat Valuev, do you think he would have beaten Lewis?? It's one thing to be a big robotic chinny guy with slow hands and feet, it's another to be a guy of Lewis' size who can move and box very well. When I said Lewis would could beat them on size alone, I meant he would USE his size well....I wasn't throwing a blanket statement out there that 6'5" guys automatically beat 6'1" guys....
@CoronaJoe I meant to say an inch taller than Lewis... My bad. By the way, Haye and Valuev both suck. Anyways, you said, "who did either of them fight that was ANYWHERE near being as big as Lewis?" I was simply pointing out he fought someone taller. As for big, people didn't muscle pump back then. In the same era, Dempsey would have more/Lewis would have less weight.
It's rare that a boxer gets more credit or even as much credit as they deserve, but Lewis is beyond overrated. Good record but no tough opponents, only good ones were old.
I think he's right where he belongs, especially if you consider the "who would beat who" criteria only. His competition was on par or better than almost any heavyweight champion in history. He defeated (eventually) every opponent he ever had.
Calling his opponents old is a discredit to these fighters.
@CoronaJoe Well, f you want to consider "who would be who," then prime Tyson, prime Holyfield, Marciano, Frazier, Dempsey and maybe Liston would beat Lewis. By the way, can you edit my comments? I think I wrote more than that. As for his competetion, well, McCall and Hasim wern't that good and Lewis didn't exactly beat McCall, the guy threw the fight for some reason. And do you really consider Morrison, Mercer, Tua, Golota, and elderly Holyfield and Tyson the best competetion in history?
The only people who seem to dislike Lewis are the bitter Tyson groupies, and I'm guessing since you referred to Tyson as "elderly" when he is indeed younger than Lewis, that you are in that group who have a hate on for Lewis simply because of the manner in which he beat Tyson?? Just a hunch....
I didn't say his comp was the "best ever"; I said it was on par with (meaning equal to) OR better than ALMOST any other champion. His comp. was very solid.
@CoronaJoe Oh, and I almost forgot. Rahman knocked out Lewis with one punch, pretty weak jaw. And Vitali deserved a rematch. Lewis won fairly, but come on if Vitali didn't quit he would have lost his eye and had to retire. It's a champ's cycle of life to lose and retire. Dosen't hurt their legacies nearly as much as ducking a fight would. Also, every legend must take all challenges; Lewis dodged Ruiz. Anyways, I wanted to say even though I don't agree with one person, this is a very good list.
You can pick anyone's record apart, if it suits your argument.
The fact that you say he dodged Ruiz, and that that Dempsey and Marciano would have beaten him prime vs. prime makes me think this isn't really worth debating with you. :)
Thank you for the compliments though....out of curiosity, where do you rank Lewis and Tyson all time?
@CoronaJoe I'm not picking anyone's record apart, I saw Lewis' fights against Holyfield, Tyson, Golota and Klitschko when they happend. Ruiz isn't a great fighter, but what do you call refusing to fight the #1 contender? Anyways... On a list of the best boxers of all time, I'd probably rank Tyson #10 and Lewis #12 or 13.
Now, out of curiosity, how would Lewis best Marciano and Dempsey?
Well, I'm of the opinion that he's a more complete fighter than either of them, and could outbox them fairly easily....but even if you disagree with that....he'd beat them with sheer size and power. I'm sure you realize the size differences, no? I know that size isn't the only determining factor in a fight, but in these cases, it would play a HUGE part.
I'm ok with people rating them higher based on career, but considering actually matching them up, I don't think it would even be close.
So, if Don King suddenly figured a way for Jesus Chavez to be the #1 contender for Pac's title....and Pac laughed it off, choosing to instead fight more legit competition, including fighters who were amongst the men who already KO'ed Chavez.....would you accuse Pac of "dodging" Chavez too???
Come on now, to even bring up Ruiz shows you just don't "like" Lewis on a personal level of some sort.
@CoronaJoe Lewis was born in a lucky year. Good contenders but no one dangerous unless you count a worn out Tyson and Holyfield. I know Lewis was less than a year older, but fighters that rely on power, like Mike, wear out faster. Did you know Lennox could have fought Tyson earlier but declined? I don't not like Lewis, but he gets more credit than he deserves.
Yes, Lennox could have fought Tyson earlier....but Mike declined, chose instead to pay Lewis a $4mill step-aside fee so he could fight Seldon instead.
Lewis fought plenty of dangerous opponents. Like I said, on par or better than most. Besides Ali, name a top 10 all time heavyweight who fought a better list of opponents. I can only think of a couple......and they're debatable.
Compared to most top ten lists I've seen, this one is pretty good. Here's my list. 10. Wladimir Klitschko 9. Mike Tyson 8. Joe Frazier 7. Evander Holyfield 6. George Foreman 5. Vitali Klitschko 4. Joe Louis 3. Larry Holmes 2. Muhammad Ali 1. Lennox Lewis
If anyone out there has any contact with a dude (I think it's a dude, not totally sure to be honest) called HOBITSHOUSE. Don't bother trying to debate boxing with him, nicely or otherwise. He will give an opinion, and then when you question him on it, he freaks out, spends WEEKS following you around, insulting and whining, making mostly homosexual references (we all know what it means when guys do that...lol).
He knows nothing about boxing, only comments on the videos to fight.
He's one of those Tyson groupies....you know the type. I'm not talking about, or dissing, Mike's REAL fans, I'm talking about the ones who call him the best ever, but have no knowledge of the history of the sport. This guy even said to me when he first came in here that "Mike is the best, I haven't even heard of some of the fighters on your list!", or something along those lines.
Then, like the other groupies, he has a FIT when someone disagrees.....anyway, just a friendly warning.
Did you actually see their fights, or are you just going on Youtube highlights?
Evander's head gets in the way in a lot of his fights yes, and I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him. In my opinion though, it's more his style of fighting than it is an attempt to injure his opponent. I can only recall one time in both fights where it was borderline on purpose.
Anyway, if you feel that Holyfield beat down Tyson, stopping him late, with headbuts alone...well, then you go with it.
@CoronaJoe Tyson couldve been better though had Cus Dmato not passed away and had he had had better people in his corner. Cus Dmato was a father figure and being mixed up with Robin Givens didnt help matters. I think Mike pre 1992 couldve beaten any heavyweight all time. He had a superb punchers chance. The head movement was better, the power, the killer instinct, was all there. In 1995 when he came back he wasnt the same no more.
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T7J7A7 3 days ago
@CoronaJoe I agree you on this to a degree i mean the 70s was probably the most competitive decade for a champion. I wonder how Marciano wouldve done against the likes of Frazier, Foreman,Norton, Shavers, Holmes, Quarry, Bonavena, Patterson. It was a dominant decade. Ali said he believed Marciano was better than Frazier because when they fought the computer match in 69 they were just sparring and Marciano was hurting Alis arms with punches.
T7J7A7 3 days ago
Did Tyson ever beat anyone who wasn't already beaten before stepping in the ring with him? If Tyson couldn't intimidate his opponent, he was at a severe disadvantage. Now put him up against the best HW's of all time. None of them will scare and so Tyson will have to win on guts and boxing talent. Let's just say those aren't his strong suits.
PackerBronco 3 days ago
@PackerBronco Thats actually really wrong, he did have guts and he did have boxing talent. Not all of his opponents were afraid of him.
SaskueSucks 1 day ago
almost right i would take away holmes and add frazier
tnpnpnb 6 days ago
T7J7A7 1 week ago
WHY DOES EVERYBODY SAY TYSON ONLY FOUGHT BUMS. LENNOX LEWIS AND HOLLYFIELD NEVER WANTED ANYTHING TO DO WITH TYSON UNTIL AFTER HE WENT TO JAIL
ranjot2010 1 week ago
See, this is why I use the term ignorant when I talk to Tyson groupies..Let me set you straight kid.
Holyfield was calling for a Tyson fight for a couple of years before he went to jail, in every interview he had..once Holyfield had KO'ed a couple of guys that Tyson couldn't (Tillis and Douglas), there was huge public interest. They announced a fight, even held a press conference etc. Mike pulled out, BECAUSE he was sent to jail, hardly Evander's fault.
Evander has NEVER avoided Mike...
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
As for Lewis....at the time Mike went to jail, Lennox hadn't even fought in the States, and had only had 14 fights!! How was a guy who wasn't even on the radar yet "not wanting anything to do with" Mike Tyson??
By the time he destroyed Rudduck (you recall Rudduck right? Went 19 rounds with Mike) for the title, Mike was already long in jail.
You groupies need to get your facts straight....must suck to have to make constant excuses for your hero!
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
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ranjot2010 1 week ago
Good list, I would say its very accurate. Ali was truly great and its scary that we didnt even see him in his real prime. The perfect fantasy bout.. Muhammad Ali vs Joe Louis!
KokapeliTMG 1 week ago
if you like this check out my ufc top 10!
SuperYankeefan21 2 weeks ago
Mikey T everytime .
thehitchrules 2 weeks ago
dempsey is tough and hard-hitting..no question about it. but i see him as the least skilled in the top heavyweights..plus he had weaker oppositions..he barely fights with blacks anyway..please forgive me..
akosihelbert 2 weeks ago
....agreed.
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
nice list
alitreazure 2 weeks ago
Again, it's a good list.
I think the least important things when compiling an all-time list are sort of naked-eye observations. Or fantasy matchup predictions. Did Tyson strike me as the most brutal heavyweight force I've ever seen? Sure. Would he have beaten Marciano. Yeah, probably. But it's unfair to judge different eras, especially in this weight class where the heavyweight has totally changed. Sonny Liston was considered a monster at 210 pounds.
Anyway, nice job.
JohnLoCicero 3 weeks ago
It's not a bad list. In fact, it's quite good.
My top ten doesnt have Liston or Tyson, I went with Frazier and Dempsey where you left them out. Frazier maybe, but Dempsey? There's gotta be a spot in the top 10 for the guy who invented a lot of the qualities we still look for in heavywts.
I think Marciano is underrated. Cleaned out the division really. His era was no weaker than Louis or Holmes.
I think Lennox is 2 punches out of the top 3. But 5 is a mighty ambitious placement.
JohnLoCicero 3 weeks ago
Rocky's era was no weaker, but he also didn't make 20 and 25 title defenses....and careers aside, do you think he would have beaten Louis (one that wasn't almost 40) or Holmes? I certainly don't....
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
@CoronaJoe Joe Louis said that he never could've whipped Rocky at any time in his career! Holmes struggled against Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton, Mike Weaver, Tim Witherspoon, and Lost to Spinks twice and beat and over the hill washed up Ali. Holmes was good practicaly great. Itd be a great fight between him and Rocky!
T7J7A7 1 week ago
I don't put much weight into what fighters say, lots of them say things like that..could give many examples from the likes of Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield..even Ali. Only fighters with huge egos (Lewis, Jones, Mayweather..lol) refrain from saying "so and so would have kicked my butt".
In my (the one I value most) opinion, Rocky would have been in trouble vs a prime Louis. Holmes would have dominated him and stopped him late too...Rocky would be swinging those little arms at air all night.
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@CoronaJoe The way Rocky dominated though. I look at the way he crushed Walcott in the first fight with bone jarring cross in the 13th round that took the life out of Walcott looked like the punch was inhuman. In the rematch Rocky dominated even more knocking him out in the 1st round. Same with Charles he struggled the first bout but in the 2nd wickedly koed him in the 8th. Against Moore chopped him down good in the 9th. Against Louis dominated him like no other fighter did.
T7J7A7 3 days ago
I think Dempsey was better than Liston. He was Heavyweight of the 1920's and got sort of robbed against Tunney in the 2nd fight. He practically won all his fights and was a more devastating puncher than Liston. Theres an old Ring magazine with various boxing experts that evenly pick who would of won out of Dempsey and Louis so Its like a coin toss. Dempsey should be in everybodys top ten!
T7J7A7 3 weeks ago
I don't base my opinion on what others think....Dempsey wouldn't have had a chance against Louis, in MY opinion.
Dempsey did great things for the sport, but I think his career was perfectly timed...had he come around any later, he wouldn't have been champion...too crude and limited for my top 10, somewhere 13-15 for me...
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
@CoronaJoe Remember though Dempsey was the Heavyweight of the 1920s'. Liston got knockedout by Leotis Martin. I just cant place Liston over Dempsey. Dempsey had a better career, was champ longer, was a fighter of a decade, and was just as powerful as Liston. I agree Liston should be ranked at least as high as 11 or 12 though.
T7J7A7 1 week ago
Based on career alone, one could definitely argue Dempsey over Liston....but I don't have any doubt who'd win if they could have met in the ring. I think Liston would have beaten Dempsey, but it would have been a great fight....Liston was a more complete fighter, not so wild and raw....his jab would have given Jack fits.
I really think Jack (like Tyson and Marciano) benefitted hugely from timing...they came along at the right time to dominate...
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
@CoronaJoe Ok that might be true. Liston had a remarkable jab and super dominant lead left, and had a good career but if youre making a top ten list going by careers then Dempsey should be in the top ten no doubt. Who wouldve won had they had met in the ring? Thats a tough question!
T7J7A7 1 week ago
I tried to combine BOTH criteria when I made this list.
I don't think it's fair to rank only on career when fighter A had no competition and fighter B did. For instance 0 losses for Rocky doesn't impress me as much as a guy like Ali who had a few losses, but against much better competition etc..It also wouldn't be fair to simply look at who would beat whom...so, consider both...and considering both, I just don't think Jack matches up with the rest of my top 10. All just opnions of course.
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
@CoronaJoe Oh i see but just Ali like said in 1988 during the great documentry Chapions are forever he said he was the best in his own time. Just like Jack Johnson was the best in his time, Marciano was the best in his time, Dempsey was the best in his time, Ali was the best in his time. So when i made my list i considered who had the better careers and who were the best or among the best in their time and in history.
T7J7A7 3 days ago
where is prince naseem hamed???
riffi15 3 weeks ago
In the UK somewhere, getting fatter and less relevant by the day.
This is a top 10 HEAVYWEIGHT list, Naseem was not a HEAVYWEIGHT. For the record though, he wouldn't be on my pound for pound list either. The only list he'd make it on to would be "top 10 goofiest", or "top 10 most over-rated in history".
CoronaJoe 3 weeks ago
@CoronaJoe ow oke oke i didn't pay attention to HEAVYWEIGHT although it's on Caps Lock, but anyways i didn't ask were he is at the moment.
i would bet 1000 dollars for the prince of 10 years ago, IF (not possible of course) he matches one of your top 10 heavyweight boxers, he would knock them all down except tyson and ali .
riffi15 3 weeks ago
He couldn't hurt Barrera, but he could knock down Liston, Foreman, Holyfield etc.? Please tell my you're joking? Hell, even the equally useless Haye would stop Hamed with the first right he throws, and would laugh at Hamed's "power".
Hamed hit hard, for a 126 pounder, but his opposition was terrible, old men and nobodies, barely one opponent with a KO ratio above 60%, who was under 35...lol. I rarely bet on boxing, but I made tons on Barrera that night, was never more sure of an outcome.
CoronaJoe 3 weeks ago
@riffi15 you got owned by coronajoe
akosihelbert 2 weeks ago
@akosihelbert i got owned by your fat mother with hairy tits motherfucker!! it was just a mistake, because i was a little bit drunk so get the fuck out of my sight fucking gay!
riffi15 2 weeks ago
@riffi15 why are you mad girl? im just saying you got owned..and it's true.
dont try to type when you're tipsy next time..and stop eating pork
akosihelbert 2 weeks ago
@akosihelbert hahaha who's the mad girl? the one who want to suck coronajoe's dick or the one who was drunk???fucking cunt
riffi15 2 weeks ago
@riffi15 pork-eating muslim just like the clown hamed.
akosihelbert 1 week ago
@akosihelbert hahahaha you're very funny...
hamed will knock you're ass down even he's fat, every boxer will become fat if he stops boxing fucking cow.. you don't know any thing of boxing fucking hindoe hhahaha go search for religion to believe in fucking whore, and don't talk about muslims because we muslims gotta take over till the day of orders fucking cunt who don't have life, go look for some live first and then for dick.
riffi15 1 week ago
By the way, Mike got beat up by Buster Douglas while in his "prime". You Mike fans with your "in his prime" arguments, cracks me up. You can't redefine the word prime to suit your argument, either a fighter was great or he wasn't. Ali for example, beat Foreman, Frazier, Norton etc while in his 30's, well out of his prime.
Go listen to Tupac while beating off to Mike highlights kid! LOL
CoronaJoe 3 weeks ago
Mike Tyson was better than all of them in his time but its just my opinion thumbs up if you think he should be in the top 3
DeluxeeFX 3 weeks ago
Anyone who ranks Mike top 3 is just purely ignorant of the sports history. Call him your fav heavyweight all you like, but to call him better is just an insult to his co-greats. He'd be the first to tell you that he doesn't deserve to be rated higher than these men.
One makes 6 defenses, and loses by KO to Buster Douglas..also loses to every great opponent he met. His fans do nothing but makes excuses for him.
Others make 20 and 25 defenses...beat hall of famers...no excuses required.
CoronaJoe 3 weeks ago
@DeluxeeFX i agree tyson in his prime could destroy anybody INCLUDING ALI
ranjot2010 2 weeks ago
@ranjot2010 dude tell me u kidding me
alitreazure 2 weeks ago
@alitreazure im not
ranjot2010 1 week ago
You really need to educate yourself on a subject before you comment.
CoronaJoe 2 weeks ago
@ranjot2010 i no
DeluxeeFX 1 week ago
Tyson shouldn't even be in the list !!!
zh1992 1 month ago
Tyson has no business on any Top 10 list. Any one who resorts to biting when the going gets tough in the ring, can't stand alongside the great fighters of all-time. If Tyson couldn't intimidate you, he couldn't beat you. No mental toughness at all. Period. And in the end, he beat a bunch of nobodies and an old Larry Holmes. That is not the record of a Top 10 fighter.
PackerBronco 1 month ago
CenationTroop 1 month ago
Whether it's based on accomplishments (20 title defenses for example) or skill (best jab the division has ever seen, under rated overall skills), you rarely see a top 10 list without Larry Holmes on it.
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
Tyson should be higher in the list
CenationTroop 1 month ago
No he shouldn't.
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
@CoronaJoe Yes he fucking should
gunitstrange 3 weeks ago
Only the purely ignorant would rank Mike any higher than 8th., and he has that spot on potential only...if one were to rank SOLELY on accomplishments, he'd be lucky to crack the top 10 at all.
Learn about the fighters I have ranked ahead of him, and you will agree...
CoronaJoe 3 weeks ago
@CoronaJoe u dont know what ur talking about tyson would rip anybody apart on this list. if it was for the heavyweight championship, that same tyson that killed berbick would rip every boxers asshole apart on this list. age 20-26 TYSON NUMBER 1
ranjot2010 1 week ago
Tyson couldn't "rip apart" Douglas, Tillis, Tucker, Green, Smith, McBride, Williams etc....and we all know what happened against Lewis and Holyfield....yet he could "rip apart" Ali, Louis, Foreman, Holmes (one that isn't almost 40) etc???
You're just ignorant....I bet you only know Tyson from his youtube highlights, probably never even saw him fight. Educate yourself..
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
@CoronaJoe ive seen all his scraps so dont say bold statements. if he got his hands on them they would see the ceiling
ranjot2010 1 week ago
Nah, nobody believes you!....you haven't seen all his fights....you couldn't pick James Tillis and Mitch Green out of a lineup that included PeeWee Herman.
You're a typical Tyson groupie, you base your opinions of him SOLELY on his well edited youtube highlight clips. You have no idea who Joe Louis or Sonny Liston even were.
Tyson groupies remind me of the current "Pac is the best ever" fans....you rank him #1 when you have ZERO idea who you're ranking him above.
CoronaJoe 1 week ago
@CoronaJoe about the pac you have a really good point, people dont realise theres so many boxers that could beat pac already and better ones in other weight classes, floyd mayweather is equal to him in my opinion mmaybe a little bitter, khan is a little behind him and all that
IrishWeeLad 6 days ago
I like Pac a lot, but he's NOWHERE near being the #1 all time as some go on about....he's not even #1 right now in my books. Love him or hate him, I think Floyd is head and shoulders better, and people will be shocked at how easily he beats Pac. All we'll hear afterwards are excuse after excuse for Pac.
As for Khan, he's way behind both of them....always has been and always will be.
CoronaJoe 3 days ago
@CoronaJoe Floyd is a master of the art all right, pacquiao could hurt him but not knock him out not even close, in my book it goes like this
1.Floyd mayweather
2.Sergio martinez
3.Victor ortiz
4.manny pacquiao
5.Lamont peterson
6.Kell Brook
7.Amir Khan
IrishWeeLad 3 days ago
Jim Lampley is right, all the great Heavyweight boxers are playing linebacker in the NFL and power forward in the NBA...I could really see Ray Lewis as a great Heavyweight boxer..
apollo792 1 month ago
come on tyson 8.Are you kidding me?
skullrogue 1 month ago
I debated anywhere from 8th to 12th.....you're right though, considering he never once beat a great prime opponent, never avenged a loss, never got up or came from behind to win, built his reputation beating tomato cans with records like 12-19 etc etc...8th may be too high. I put him there based mostly on the fact that I think he would have defeated the other fighters I have in the 8-12 rankings....Marciano, Liston, Frazier etc.
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
Vitali klitschko is the best of all times and the most difficult boxer to be beaten of all times
zulfiqarhoti 1 month ago
He'd be difficult for anyone, but best of all times? Put down the bong.
A fat old semi retired Lewis beat him, busted him up....a younger, prepared Lewis would have stopped him. Ali, Holmes, and Foreman would have defeated him too. I'd have a tough time picking a winner vs a young Holyfield or Louis too (based on his size alone...)
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
In my opinion size does matter and many of the older boxers would not be able to surive the super heavies rather than ranked them pound for pound and to judge them at their best performances and in top condition 10) Sonny Liston 9) Evander Holyfield 8) Riddick Bowe 7)Lennox Lewis 6) George Foreman 5) Joe Louis 4) Mike Tyson 3)Wladmir Klichco 2) Larry Holmes 1) Mohamid Ali Honable mentions Joe Frazier Vittal Klichco and Tony Tucker
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94boxen 2 months ago
good vid but mine would be
5=Roy Jones Jr
4=Joe Louis
3=Mike Tyson
2=George Foreman
1=Muhammad Ali
EpicDiscoverer 2 months ago
@EpicDiscoverer, Tyson is perhaps (I'll stress the word perhaps) low end of a top 10 - and again I'll stress, low end. Has no business being as high as 3. And Roy Jones Jr? Put down whatever it is you're drinking / smoking. The man had ONE fight at Heavyweight in which he beat a profoundly average belt holder in Ruiz, the same Ruiz who has constantly lost to the best Heavyweights he's faced. And you're telling me that makes him a top 5 Heavyweight? Christ Almighty...
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
Having Roy Jones in a top 10 list at heavyweight is as ridiculous as having Mike in a top 3...LMAO...
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
@EpicDiscoverer lol Are you out of your mind?! Roy jones only had like 1 fight in the heavyweight division against an average HW. No fucking way that he should even be on a heavyweight list,let alone in top 5 heavyweights of all time.
breakdancerQ 1 month ago
1- Ali-if you don't know why well...
2-Holmes-tough, skilled,stamina ,to intelligent for "tough" guys
3- Liston- old timers know why he is here, joe louis was great but would not survive modern boxers, hands low etc
4- Lennox- big, powerful SMART, swarmers coud not get close at his best.
5-foreman- all small guys would lose to him like Frazier marciano/tyson including
6-tyson-ultimate brawler-only when holyfield and buster lean and stay away did he lose if had to fight him without leaning KO'ED
B04Jordan 2 months ago
Evander Holyfield is my favorite I would put him at #1
BrandonHAZER 2 months ago
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This is my TOP 20 all time pound 4 pound
1. Archie Moore 2. Sugar Ray Robinson 3. Rocky Marciano 4. Muhammad Ali 5. Willy Pep 6. Julio Cesar Chavez 7. Joe Louis 8. Roberto Duran 9. Roy Jones Jr 10. Carlos Monzon 11. Jose Napoles 12. Marvin Hagler 13. Gene Tunney 14. Lennox Lewis 15. Harry Greb 16. Henry Armstrong 17. Benny Leonard 18. Mike Tyson 19. Sam Langford 20. Sandy Saddler
unfeldetonymontana 2 months ago
Where's Smokin' Joe?:O
charliethechap1 2 months ago
Boxing videos must be orginal sound :S
MrGreenDayy 2 months ago
SuperLazyshikamaru 2 months ago
@SuperLazyshikamaru Leonard and Ali before Robinson, maybe others tbh.
xxxJasonVoorheesxxx 2 months ago
@xxxJasonVoorheesxxx leonard cant be robinson im sorry and as much as i love ali he even said it, ''Ray was the true greatest!''
SuperLazyshikamaru 1 month ago
personally, I can't really understand how people can say the likes of Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey Its hard to judge because of the film footage you see of them. Its grainy and slightly behind in sequence. unless you seen them fight ringside and are as old as Crown jewels then I can't really see how you can say the likes of Jack Johnson. Ali. Foreman, Frazier,Holmes,Holyfield,Lewis,TysonI can see. Marciano footage aint bad Joe Lousi footage is so so. From what I can see. Ali is the Greatest ever
boscoesarmy 2 months ago
crowley0312 2 months ago
You can seriously disagree with my list all you like, but not even Stevie Wonder would rank Dempsey above Ali. I see you're trying your hardest to include as many white dudes as you can, but my list is based on skill and accomplishments over skin tone.
I can honestly say yours is the first top 10 list I've ever seen without Larry Holmes on it. No Lennox either? I "seriously disagree"....lmao...
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
@CoronaJoe So now you're pulling the race card? Tisk tisk. I knew you were black, only black guys dismiss Dempsey. So, I'd say skintone is a factor in your list. My list changed a little: 1 louis 2 dempsey 3 ali 4 marciano 5 jeffries 6 johnson 7 liston 8 tunney 9 holyfield 10 fitzsimmons. My list takes into consideration media approval, skill, accomplishments and pop culture. I want to give a honorable mention to Archie Moore. Not winning the world title takes points off sadly.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@CoronaJoe Now, since you critized my placing of white fighters: Dempsey was an all around great. He knocked out plenty of world class fighters out early, usually in the first round. He has more 1st round knockouts than anyone. Marciano was never the betting favorite. Yet he won every fight. His power is unmatched, he knock opponents into the audience more often than on the floor. Many champions and historians considered Jeffries the greatest. He beat the best in the world, most more than once.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312, calling Fitzsimmons a 'dominating champion' is pushing things to ridiculous extremes. Lost the title in his first defence, failed to regain it, and was outboxed for most of the 14 rounds before he stopped Corbett to win it in the first place. Dempsey above Ali? Come off it. Great fighter, but his best wins were usually against Light-Heavyweights, and Light-Heavyweights who the Middleweight Greb had usually beaten, too.
RihannasBikeSeat 1 month ago
@CoronaJoe (continued) His only loss was when he came out of retirement, well past his prime. Tunney is often forgotten, but he was one of the best techinicians of all time. He never met a fighter who he couldn't figure out. Fitzsimmons, like Holyfield, never outweighed his opponents. In fact, he's the lightest HW champion of all time. But he was still a very dominating champion.
You've never seen a list without Holmes? That explains why your list sucks. Lennox would have lost to Tyson, Bowe,
crowley0312 1 month ago
@CoronaJoe (continued) and Holyfield had he fought them sooner. His style allowed him to fight on long past their primes. One must consider how bad he was before then.
I think Ali was overhyped by media. He was good, but his competition was all sluggers, something his style worked well with. Never fought a feinter. He was also always open for a left hook after a jab. Dempsey would capitalize on that. Hell, I bet you're one of those idiots who ranks Ali as the best because he said he was LOL.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 I did not "play the race card", I simply pointed out that you rate a lot of white fighters ahead of better fighters, obviously based on their skin tone.
Lewis was boring at times, but he would have picked his teeth with Dempsey.
For the record, not that it matters, but I'm a white guy....I rate my fighters based on who was better, and who acccomplished more, I don't let things like media approval and pop culture cloud my judgement, or skin tone as you obviously do.
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
The music sucked. A whinnin "crybaby" like holmes # 3? LOL...thats a joke right?
TheG55coffia 2 months ago
Crybaby or not, he deserves the ranking.
Would you rather Miley Cyrus?
CoronaJoe 1 month ago
Why no Joe Frazier? for real, even 2 weeks ago he should be in this list. Don't you think?
dtothez187 2 months ago
Tyson didn't earn a spot in any Top 10 list. Just who did he beat? Marvin Frazier? An old Larry Holmes? And uh ... bunch 'a nobodies. In fact, when he did face decent fighters in the prime (Holyfield, Lewis), he lost and lost big time. Tyson had immense physical gifts, but he was a poor ring general and, quite frankly, he lacked ring courage. If you couldn't intimidate you before the fight, he wasn't going to win. He never came off the canvas or came back from a tough round. Not once.
PackerBronco 2 months ago
@PackerBronco my only quarrel with what you say is that Tyson lost to Holyfield and Lewis in his prime. He was past his prime and had already spent time in jail and 4 years off.
IRAMITLA 2 months ago
@PackerBronco That's because he was too bust knocking people to their arse . Get real . Youngest heavy weight ever. Cleared the heavy-weight division at that time and how !!-with predominantly first round knock-outs . Skillful, powerful,accurate. You Tyson haters use the same mantras, weak opposition blah,blah . The truth is whilst admittedly short-lived top of his game he would have beaten anyone .
thehitchrules 2 weeks ago
Lennox Lewis was awesome
taypax 2 months ago
John L. Sullivan definitely deserves a place in the top heavyweights of all time
waindesign 2 months ago
@waindesign, he fought in such a different era, though. As a bare-knuckler, under the London Prize Ring rules, he was very possibly THE greatest of them all. However (aplogies if I'm wrong), I believe that Joe's list is centred around modern boxing so to speak; the gloved era, Marquees of Queensberry rules. Given that Sullivan had one title fight under these conditions - and lost - it would be strange to have him in the list.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
Who are some of the best prizefighters in recent years?
jdoro63 2 months ago
The 1990s was one of the best decades of heavyweight boxing, which also means that the competition among fighters was one of the toughest ever. You had legends such as Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, and even Bowe, proving their worth. You also had world-class fighters in Oliver McCall, Michael Moorer, and Razor Ruddock. And of course, how could you forget the rising young powers, such as Ike Ibeabuchi, Michael Grant, David Tua, Andew Golota, and Chris Byrd? That was an awesome decade!
jdoro63 3 months ago
Historically, the heavyweight division has always been the toughest and the best division of pro boxing. Nowadays, the same cannot be said because the Klitschkos have no serious competitors.
jdoro63 3 months ago
@jdoro63, you're joking with that first point, surely? If anything, Heavyweight has been one of the poorest in terms of talent depth, outstanding champions produced and all-round ability of the men fighting in it. Light-Heavyweight (Charles, Moore, Tunney, Spinks, Foster), Middleweight (Greb, Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins, Ketchel), Welterweight (Robinson, Armstrong, R. Leonard, Gavilan, Napoles) and Lightweight (Duran, B.Leonard, Whitaker, Gans, Williams) are all far superior. Richest, but not best.
RihannasBikeSeat 3 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat I think you misunderstood what I said. My first point is that the 1990s was one of the best decades of HEAVYWEIGHT boxing, NOT boxing OVERALL. Guys like Monzon, Ketchel, Napoles, Gavilan, Gans can't even stand next to legends such as Ali, Frazier, Marciano, Joe Louis, Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson. These are Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers, some of the best fighters in history.
jdoro63 2 months ago
@jdoro63, Monzon, Gavilan, Napoles, Ketchel etc are all in the Hall of Fame too, you know. Seriously, look at the skill set of Foreman, or who he actually beat in his career, compared to someone like Monzon or Gavilan. Foreman comes a very poor second!
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
It's always been the most popular division, but definitely not the toughest etc. I'll be making a top 10 pound for pound video soon, and only one heavyweight makes the list ;)
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe What are you basing your top 10 P4P rankings on? Which division do you think has been the toughest?
jdoro63 2 months ago
@CoronaJoe it isent the most popular division anymore :)?
RWJROCKS1 2 months ago
@CoronaJoe i see the experts put frazier in the top 10 like i did. tit
1meekerz 2 months ago
@CoronaJoe if you have ali at #1, then Frazer has to be in the top 10, or higher.
94boxen 2 months ago
@94boxen, what makes you say that? Presumably because he beat Ali once and pushed him close two other times? Well, so did Norton. In fact, Norton probably gave Ali more problems than Frazier did across their 3 fights. So should we have Norton as a top 10 Heavyweight automatically as well? Personally, I'd have Frazier sneaking in to my top 10 in that final spot, but having him miss out by a spot or so isn't really that far-fetched.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@jdoro63 its cuz the klitchkos don't display the same emotion that the people say when ali, tyson,frazier were around...its more mechanical....people know its a fight..but they dont see the boxers behave as if its a fight...its like they are going easy...thats why manny is hyped so much...cause he is a fighter...not because of his tecjnique whatsoever....thats why flyod is not given so much credit by peopel cuz he is technically superior, but people care more about the spirit....
mumbaiindianspollock 2 months ago
I think Larry Holmes' jab was overrall better than Ali's, but the way Ali used his jab combined with his unorthodox outside style i think makes his the best jab. When you added a jab to Ali's style, it was the perfect combination.
bigD2387 3 months ago
It's a shame. Look at todays boxing. Their are so many different classes it's sick. Heavyweight was for the exceptionally strong and the damn well quick. Boxers came up with any number of barrages, moves, whatever they could to beat the other guy. Dempsy was smaller, scrawnier, and damn if he didn't figure out how to use sheer momentum to turn his fists into a ko.
Now look at it, heavyweight is made up of people that hold half the match and would prolly die if a real heavy weight hooked em.
shade231 3 months ago
Will smith saying ''The champ is here''
mrTovmac 3 months ago
jack johnson sucks
malcolmscotty1 3 months ago
I disagree....what are you basing this on?
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe he's overrated by everyone because he was the first black champion he held the tittle for 7 years but so did john l sullivan jack dempsey and wladamir klitschko his record isen't that good marciano and dempsey are alot better than he was
malcolmscotty1 3 months ago
His record is not the greatest, but from what I've seen and read of him, he was more skilled than either of them.
The world would be boring if we all agreed on everything.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@malcolmscotty1 Are you retarded he was the first fighter to bring science to the ring and laid the foundations for the sport we see today
if there was no jack johnson there would of been no joe louis or ali
l8velle 3 months ago
@l8velle lol so if jack johnson dident decide to box....joe louis wouldent want to? did joe tell you this
malcolmscotty1 3 months ago
I'm pretty sure he was referring to Jack's style of boxing, it influenced a lot of future fighters.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
dempsey was alot better than jack johnson buddy
malcolmscotty1 3 months ago
Dempsey was a bar room brawler compared to Jack Johnson. You obviously have skin color issues you need to deal with before you even attempt to rate all time fighters.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
Good list. Every fighter here is certainly top 10 quality. but I would have pushed Marciano higher up the list.
shotta0121 3 months ago
I couldn't put him above fighters who would have beaten him, and/or accomplished so much more.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe rocky mariciano beat jersey joe ezzard charles archie moore and joe louis.....and if u discredit the louis fight because he was past prime same goes to tysons best defense against holmes tyson never beat anyone
malcolmscotty1 3 months ago
I put Rocky's win over Louis about right on par with Tyson's win over Holmes, credibility wise. They both beat former all-time great fighters, but versions that were almost 40 years of age and LONG past their primes. The results of both fights would be reversed if the opponents were in their 20's, rather than their late 30's. Hell, let's turn it around all together and pit Louis and Holmes in their 20's vs. late 30's Rocky and Mike...how do you think would have gone?
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe i think holmes would of ko mike if he was in his 30's im not sure with the louis marciano fight tho but i would have to give it to louis by UD i think marciano's big looping right hand shots would be picked off over n over idk if joe would let rocky do his inside work....that saying i wish boxers would save their money our great boxers are mostly broke i hate how the IRS went after joe louis the way they did....and how larry holmes fought butterbean..tyson getting ko'ed by bums
malcolmscotty1 3 months ago
Muhammad Ali said himself that he could have danced around the ring past Tyson but if Tyson hit him once he would be Down and out.. he said that Tyson would have beat him.. enough said lol
ThatPhunnyStuff 3 months ago
If I had a dollar for every time a Tyson groupie misquoted Ali...lmao...Ali said "IF he caught me, but I was pretty quick", that's hardly admitting defeat. IF Mike caught anyone, he "could" have beaten them, but in my opinion, there are a lot of champions on my list that he would NOT have caught.
If you're so much into quoting fighters, what about Tyson saying the results would have been opposite had he met a prime Holmes...or the fact that he said he could NEVER have beaten Lewis?
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe this was about Ali and Tyson not anyone else so i dont understand why u even brought other people into it.. and its not like Ali wouldnt have been caught by Tyson in the ring at any point during every round.. also dont understand why your so aggressive about a statement, its my opinion and it Ali might have been quick but he wouldnt have dodged all of Tysons punches.
ThatPhunnyStuff 3 months ago
I brought others into it because you said a claim by Ali meant Tyson would have beaten him. I was honestly curious how you felt about the other two quotes.
Sure, Ali probably would have been caught eventually, but just as he was against guys like Foreman, Liston, Frazier and Shavers, he would have been fine. The bigger question for me would be whether Mike could stand up to Ali's movement etc....I think he'd get frustrated EARLY, and would all go down hill from there.
Aggressive?? Where?
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@ThatPhunnyStuff if you payed ANY attention to that video where Ali said that, you could easily have telled he was joking. Also, after Ali joked about that, Tyson's words were, "Look, I know I'm great, but every head must bow and every tongue must profess, Ali is the greatest of all time." then later said he dosen't think he could beat Ali. Either way, Tyson does not compare to Ali... "enough said lol"
bigD2387 3 months ago
Amen!
People who repeat quotes about Mike being better or winning don't want to read quotes that suggest otherwise, even when they're from Mike himself.
They totally ignore those quotes, as ThatPhunnyStuff did.....
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe either way, it dosen't matter what they said, Tyson seriously is not on Ali's level. Anyone who thinks Tyson would beat Ali is 9 times outta 10 being a Tyson fanboy...
bigD2387 3 months ago
I agree on both points.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe yeah and it's dumb that people use that as an excuse that Tyson would knock Ali out with one punch. When he faced fighters that hit even harder than Tyson like Earnie Shavers (who was the hardest hiter of all time), George Foreman, Sonny Liston hit just as hard, and if not harder. Frazier might not of hit quite as hard as Tyson did but had bombs too. I think Ali would win by UD, and wouldn't try to go for the KO, but i wouldn't be suprised if Ali did knock Tyson out...
bigD2387 3 months ago
where is roy jones jr???
robzzzzzzzzzzzzzA 3 months ago
This is a heavyweight list, not pound for pound (not that he'd make my top 10 P4P either).
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
where is Smokin Joe Frazier? And why is Ali infront of Louis? If there was no joe louis there would be no sugar ray robinson and no ali!
ayresy89 3 months ago
Ali was better in my opinion, and beat better competition.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
Dempsey and Marciano fought taller opponents all the time. Lewis isn't different. Don't let different era's fool you, Prime Dempsey would destroy guys like Holmes, Frazier, and kill guys like Lewis and Tyson. He'd also have a 50-50 chance against Ali and Louis. Lets not forget The Super Fight, where Marciano won a tournament of past HW champs and Ali. Theres a reason they always make top 10 HWs. Don't say I'm not worth debating with, the fact you dont have Langford here shows your no Fleischer.
crowley0312 3 months ago
Other than Willard, who was more McBride than Lewis, who did either of them fight that was ANYWHERE near being as big as Lewis? Lewis used his size very well too, would lean on these guys, hold them, easily toss them around the ring.
He may have been boring, but he had the tools to make these two look pretty limited, and the size to make them look like middleweights.
Yes, thinking Dempsey would kill these guys, plus quoting a computer simulated contest makes you not worth debating with.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe Marciano was very short. He probably fought someone on an even height advantage. Dempsey beat the shit out of adults when he was a teenager. How am I supposed to know how tall all his opponents were? He fought almost a hundred years ago. He fought very often; it's likely he had tall fighters.
All Lewis had were his height and long arms. There is to much muscle pumping now; Jack and Rocky had good weight for their time.
crowley0312 3 months ago
Computer simuations are more accurate than anyone's guess. Rocky's talent was clearly above his era; he can't help when he's born. Ali expressed doubt he could knock him out and said he was probably better than Frazier; Ali is well known for his analitical skills.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe I just found another tall opponent for Dempsey: Fred Fulton. He was a top fighter at the time and was over a foot taller than Dempsey. Dempsey knocked him out.
crowley0312 3 months ago
Fulton was 6'6"....you don't really think that's a foot taller than Dempsey do you??
Haye beat Valuev, do you think he would have beaten Lewis?? It's one thing to be a big robotic chinny guy with slow hands and feet, it's another to be a guy of Lewis' size who can move and box very well. When I said Lewis would could beat them on size alone, I meant he would USE his size well....I wasn't throwing a blanket statement out there that 6'5" guys automatically beat 6'1" guys....
Anyway......
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe I meant to say a foot taller than Lewis.
crowley0312 3 months ago
That makes even less sense...
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe I meant to say an inch taller than Lewis... My bad. By the way, Haye and Valuev both suck. Anyways, you said, "who did either of them fight that was ANYWHERE near being as big as Lewis?" I was simply pointing out he fought someone taller. As for big, people didn't muscle pump back then. In the same era, Dempsey would have more/Lewis would have less weight.
crowley0312 3 months ago
good list CoronaJ.
DeadEyeRabbit 3 months ago
Thank you :)
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
It's rare that a boxer gets more credit or even as much credit as they deserve, but Lewis is beyond overrated. Good record but no tough opponents, only good ones were old.
crowley0312 3 months ago
I think he's right where he belongs, especially if you consider the "who would beat who" criteria only. His competition was on par or better than almost any heavyweight champion in history. He defeated (eventually) every opponent he ever had.
Calling his opponents old is a discredit to these fighters.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe Well, f you want to consider "who would be who," then prime Tyson, prime Holyfield, Marciano, Frazier, Dempsey and maybe Liston would beat Lewis. By the way, can you edit my comments? I think I wrote more than that. As for his competetion, well, McCall and Hasim wern't that good and Lewis didn't exactly beat McCall, the guy threw the fight for some reason. And do you really consider Morrison, Mercer, Tua, Golota, and elderly Holyfield and Tyson the best competetion in history?
crowley0312 3 months ago
The only people who seem to dislike Lewis are the bitter Tyson groupies, and I'm guessing since you referred to Tyson as "elderly" when he is indeed younger than Lewis, that you are in that group who have a hate on for Lewis simply because of the manner in which he beat Tyson?? Just a hunch....
I didn't say his comp was the "best ever"; I said it was on par with (meaning equal to) OR better than ALMOST any other champion. His comp. was very solid.
...and no, I can't edit your comments.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe Oh, and I almost forgot. Rahman knocked out Lewis with one punch, pretty weak jaw. And Vitali deserved a rematch. Lewis won fairly, but come on if Vitali didn't quit he would have lost his eye and had to retire. It's a champ's cycle of life to lose and retire. Dosen't hurt their legacies nearly as much as ducking a fight would. Also, every legend must take all challenges; Lewis dodged Ruiz. Anyways, I wanted to say even though I don't agree with one person, this is a very good list.
crowley0312 3 months ago
You can pick anyone's record apart, if it suits your argument.
The fact that you say he dodged Ruiz, and that that Dempsey and Marciano would have beaten him prime vs. prime makes me think this isn't really worth debating with you. :)
Thank you for the compliments though....out of curiosity, where do you rank Lewis and Tyson all time?
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe I'm not picking anyone's record apart, I saw Lewis' fights against Holyfield, Tyson, Golota and Klitschko when they happend. Ruiz isn't a great fighter, but what do you call refusing to fight the #1 contender? Anyways... On a list of the best boxers of all time, I'd probably rank Tyson #10 and Lewis #12 or 13.
Now, out of curiosity, how would Lewis best Marciano and Dempsey?
crowley0312 3 months ago
Well, I'm of the opinion that he's a more complete fighter than either of them, and could outbox them fairly easily....but even if you disagree with that....he'd beat them with sheer size and power. I'm sure you realize the size differences, no? I know that size isn't the only determining factor in a fight, but in these cases, it would play a HUGE part.
I'm ok with people rating them higher based on career, but considering actually matching them up, I don't think it would even be close.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
So, if Don King suddenly figured a way for Jesus Chavez to be the #1 contender for Pac's title....and Pac laughed it off, choosing to instead fight more legit competition, including fighters who were amongst the men who already KO'ed Chavez.....would you accuse Pac of "dodging" Chavez too???
Come on now, to even bring up Ruiz shows you just don't "like" Lewis on a personal level of some sort.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe Lewis was born in a lucky year. Good contenders but no one dangerous unless you count a worn out Tyson and Holyfield. I know Lewis was less than a year older, but fighters that rely on power, like Mike, wear out faster. Did you know Lennox could have fought Tyson earlier but declined? I don't not like Lewis, but he gets more credit than he deserves.
crowley0312 3 months ago
Yes, Lennox could have fought Tyson earlier....but Mike declined, chose instead to pay Lewis a $4mill step-aside fee so he could fight Seldon instead.
Lewis fought plenty of dangerous opponents. Like I said, on par or better than most. Besides Ali, name a top 10 all time heavyweight who fought a better list of opponents. I can only think of a couple......and they're debatable.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@CoronaJoe Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Frazier, Foreman, Ellis, Norton and almost every old-era fighter had harder opponents.
crowley0312 3 months ago
bigmoney749 3 months ago
If anyone out there has any contact with a dude (I think it's a dude, not totally sure to be honest) called HOBITSHOUSE. Don't bother trying to debate boxing with him, nicely or otherwise. He will give an opinion, and then when you question him on it, he freaks out, spends WEEKS following you around, insulting and whining, making mostly homosexual references (we all know what it means when guys do that...lol).
He knows nothing about boxing, only comments on the videos to fight.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
He's one of those Tyson groupies....you know the type. I'm not talking about, or dissing, Mike's REAL fans, I'm talking about the ones who call him the best ever, but have no knowledge of the history of the sport. This guy even said to me when he first came in here that "Mike is the best, I haven't even heard of some of the fighters on your list!", or something along those lines.
Then, like the other groupies, he has a FIT when someone disagrees.....anyway, just a friendly warning.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago
@coronajoe holyfield butted his way to victory against tyson
brianbrooks84 3 months ago
Did you actually see their fights, or are you just going on Youtube highlights?
Evander's head gets in the way in a lot of his fights yes, and I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him. In my opinion though, it's more his style of fighting than it is an attempt to injure his opponent. I can only recall one time in both fights where it was borderline on purpose.
Anyway, if you feel that Holyfield beat down Tyson, stopping him late, with headbuts alone...well, then you go with it.
CoronaJoe 3 months ago