Even though he was innocent of killing Londo's girl, he still had a vast amount of blood on his hands and he made that god-wannabe nut leader of the Centauri. He got what was coming.
This has always been one of my favorite scenes; the juxtaposition of celebration and threat, rejoicing and death hit hard, and really make your spine crawl. It's a very powerful clip from the series, which has always been fantastic.
I was impressed with the chorograph of this scene. Especially when Refa flinches when Londo's holographic hand passes through him. Creepy, yes, but a good amount of justice all things being equal.
Just noticed Refa was holding a gun when he stopped G"Kar... None of the Guards relieved him of his weapon... neither did the Narns.... Jerk should have gone down shooting...
cpufightclub, I want to congratulate you on the bravado and relevance of your comment. Do you truly wish for a former president of the United States to be beaten to death? I may not like the current president very much, but those are differences of politics and now raw unyielding hatred. I wouldn't wish harm to him or any other politician. I am also glad that you have the endurance to continue to hate someone who has been out of office for 3 years and has since become a private, albeit very pr
Quick addition to my post, I like how Refa bolted like a scared rabbit after G'kar said "The rest is yours...." and how as the Narns closed in on him how he looked like he was crying out "Mommy!" and soiled himself! It just goes to show how pissing off a Narn is a bad idea and pissing off ALL of them is madness! LOL
But I'm referring to the dissonance between sound and image, here--which is the well from which this scene draws its strength and poignancy. A joyous song, yes...but it's still about the "chosen of God" looking on sadistically as all those bad people boil and sear in Hellfire. Sadistically being the key word.
You find a lot of "sadistic" speeches like this in the New Testament. For Refa, it is deserved, by you're still watching a man being beaten to death by a mob.
@Eldeecue I just want to comment on something you seemed to pick up on here, though I don't know you meant to...are you comparing G'Kar to Paul at the stoning of Stephen? If so, its a pretty accurate comparison, especially considering his later revelation and change of character.
@roninalchemist G'kar;s revealation and change of heart, though, comes before Refa's death, not after, as it did with Paul. See "Dust to Dust" from earlier in season 3.
Sorry for spammy double response..but anyway: Babylon 5 wisely doesn't let you forget the brutality of what you're witnessing; You hate Refa, take a sick joy in watching him being bludgeoned to a pulp, and the show points out to you how its stimulating pleasure centers in your brain that you'd rather not acknowledge the existence of.
It's using a religious song to point out the fact we're all descended from apes, and very much still _are_ apes. : ) And that's awesome, I think.
@Eldeecue Well given all the horrible things that Lord Refa did not just to the Narns but how his lust for power nearly destroyed his own people and made them hated by everyone and made Londo hated by just about everyone else on Babylon 5, it's hard NOT to take pleasure in seeing Refa get brutally killed by an angry mob of his victims. It doesn't make us evil, it makes us human as we want to see those he victimized receive justice as we believe the innocent shouldn't be made to suffer.
Am I the only one who has a bit of a problem with a song about the coming judgement, and condemnation, of BILLIONS of people....being to such a happy tune??
@JesusFreakDK Considering that is how the song is sung in Church's, then your argument has no weight. The song fits PERFECTLY for the fate of Refa, and considering they are underground, on Narn, then their is no hiding place for Refa "a sinner".
Also,there is no proof of a God or Judgement Day, so it really doesnt mater anyways. :)
@bluntman1138 "Also,there is no proof of a God or Judgement Day, so it really doesnt mater anyways. :)" There is no proof that you exist, so your comment doesn't really matter :)
@Fbueller129 I was Pentecostal for a long time after I came to faith. And if you want to start throwing mud at other churches, that's fine. I can play that game too. Do you want to go there?
THere's a little thing called "respect" which it seems you have a lot to learn about. Both regarding God, and your fellow man.
One of the Best Moments from a great series. A mass-murdering tyrant, a sadist, and an enemy of God is undone, while Gospel plays in the background. Brilliant!
@Jings0b Well, after everything he's been through, especially his bad trip earlier in "Dust To Dust," seeing a Centauri get beat down just doesn't give him pleasure anymore. He's moved beyond that, and he's doubtlessly wondering if his people are capable of anything more vengance and hate, if Kosh/G'quan was right when he said "...death is all we know, and death is all that we deserve."
@Coelacanth1938 Agreed. It would have been interesting to see how long he'd last before he was caught and beaten to death by a mob of angry New Yorkers......
londos rise to power came simply from ppl mocking him , his possition as ambasodor to b5 was cause no one else wanted it and everyone thought he was a joke.
@ilikesmayonaise I wouldn't even say he was a "bad guy" in the classical sense. He did the things he did with good intentions for his own people without really realizing what the final cost for everyone else was going to be. There was no real malevolent thought behind his actions. I don't think it was until he saw the asteroid bombardment of the Narn homeworld that he realized that his good intentions had taken him and his people to a very dark place.
@Fbueller129 k good or bad just dont fuck with him, and in this scene, and 'into the fire' those actions were definiatly thought out and executed with the calm collectedness of a mind that isn't broken but is actually sprained. I think the bitter corruption of his ppl (The constant feuds and the fact his posting to B5 is a joke) combined with the narn war, the threat of the shadows, the death of his lover prior to these events make him do things that are shockin, and change his morality.
@ilikesmayonaise i'm not convinced remember Morden says 'Your crazy' n molari replies 'on any other day you would be quite wrong, but today is a very different day'. I got the sense that was his stick, he is brutally efficient and cunning in matters like this but all his intruige leaves him morally bankrupt. In the ones where molari in the future appears as emperor, I think you can see what the actions of his life have done to him no matter what motivated his actions
@ilikesmayonaise Agreed, but I would say he does it with the certain knowledge that he's damned no matter what, but he has to do what he has to do for his people.
So,with acceptance of his own fate, and the knowledge that his people will come out of the mess he's gotten them into, even if it means his own damnantion,
@amarieoflothlorien A single human when angry can do some nasty things to flesh and bone with bare hands, and there where at least a dozen Narn all of whom are several times stronger than us ... the blooded data crystal in the next scene really doesnt do justice to the damage they must have done to Refa's body
This is one of the greatest scenes of the entire Babylon 5 series. This episode is special to me because I first saw it in college during my obsession with Star Trek. It was with this episode, and this scene specifically, that I finally realized that Babylon 5 was better than Star Trek (not that I don't still love DS9 and have fond memories of TNG). I think this episode also matured my taste in science fiction in general.
@waverly24 The ships could have been more imaginative?! Did you ever see one of the Shadow ships?!
Besides that I loved the Earthship designs. They are still some of my favourite starships...ever. From the Starfury, up to the Omega Destroyers, it was one of the first shows that felt like the ships were designed by earth, and not by some 60s hippie comity. Thanks to the CGI the B5 battles were unlike anything seen on the small screen in sci-fi, and I think still stand the test of time.
@ScreamingTc : You said it. I still remember when the Omega destroyer came in to rescue Sheridan from the Streib and getting this sense of pride that I never felt with any other show's Earthship designs.
I don't think he's proud, but satisfied is a good word. When you are confronted with a malignant tumor it must be excised. Rifa got exactly what he deserved, and Londo telling him it would destroy his clan's political power was probably a bigger blow to him than death. Delicious! If only Londo would have turned from the darkness himself. There were several chances when he had the choice but failed. What great characters, what a magnificent show. Only TV show I ever bought on DvD.
@plaetoe, “If only Londo would have turned from the darkness himself. There were several chances when he had the choice but failed.”
Have you read the Centauri Prime Trilogy of novels by Peter David? It’s one of three post-B5 trilogies, all of which have been declared Official Canon by JMS himself.
Other official B5 canon print stories include the DC comics (at least the first arc with Sinclair and the later one with Sinclair first meeting Garibaldi), and the 7th and 9th novels.
I know G'kar had his spiritual and personal rebirth but its still good to see he can look on with almost a proud and satisfied look ion his face as a true monster is beaten to death in front of him
The words spoken between 0:47 and 1:30 should be heard by ALL.
Those with a faith, those without, those who do evil in the name of a religious belief or any reason should heed these words. "You must hate that which is different, because; in the end That hate will turn on you, that hate will destroy you."
i love the very small nuances of babylon 5 that make the show sooo cool. like g'kar shivering as holo-Mollari passed "through" him. sooo funny. and soooo coool!!!!!
@silaku I would be willing to bet that Mollari walked that path deliberately while recording the message, knowing that G'Kar would be holding the player. >:D
The song itself is definately creepy with its emphasis on Hellfire and Brimstone. I think it was brilliant for Bill Mumy and Mira Furlan to have Lennier and Delenn be faintly appalled and just going along with it although thoroughly puzzled by turns. That being said, the tenor of the song certainly dovetails nicely with Refa's scenes.
@DragonLady392 Not just that, but it points out that Refa, and later, Londo, are not able to hide from everything they've done, and, ultimately, must pay for their sins, Refa, by being destroyed in a manner similar to his destruction of Jaddo in "Knives," and Londo by sacrificing himself to the Drakh to save his people.
@Ltdeacon I'm sure it's built into the uniforms. Centauri came from conflict(they were at war with another sentient race on Centauri Prime early in their history), and it only stands to reason they figured out the basics of body armor by "now."
Sides, it was changes in the Royal Court itself(brought on by the Narn question), rather than any lack of gear, which caused the Centauri to retreat from power. As Londo ultimately finds out, imperialism is a losing game in the end.
For B5, when it is good, it was very very good, but when it is bad it is horrid. In contrast, the ST franchise seems to move along at an even keel - nothing great, nothing too appalling. I would note that the ST franchise has been with us since the 1960s, and had become iconic to American culture. In contrast, B% is almost as if it never were. It is the very originality and uniqueness of the BS% universe that I think has counted against it in the long run.
i for one don't think that this isn't a creepy ending for this episode it was a great ending ( you want creepy imagine Run Joey Run as the song) this song and scene just shows you do wrong anywhere it all comes back tenfold
P.S
I have always liked this show due to the fact that it is a more realistic take on the possible future, in the sense that the universe is not so Star Trek perfect (apology to Trekkers) and even in the future we will have to constantly have the need to grow.
B5 & Ronald D Moore's re - imagined BSG are both FANTASTIC science fiction. Battlestar borrowed some ideas about space flight using Newtonian physics from B5. He also used story arcs rather than summing up a story in 40 minutes like Star Trek & others did. B5 started that, pretty much.
@knoxvilleguy2 Actually, Hill Street Blues began arc stories way back in the 1980's.B5 was great but it did not originate everything like JMS seems to claim
I know the point of the scene was there parrellel between Reffa's commupance and the hymn but I always thought it looked slightly odd the Minbari and the Rabbi joining in with this hymn. The message "they forgot about Jesus.." seems to be the old "if you're not a Christian you go to hell" concept.
@gottenx25 You're right, the gun Refa was carrying just mysteriously disappeared. Not that it really mattered, Refa's a blue-blooded burocrat, without a dozen armed soldiers at his back a gun in his hand is about as useful as a feather duster.
@FerretJohn Considering that they're an alien species, I don't know why their flashlights would need to look familiar to us. Either way, this wasn't a personal opinion, JMS himself wrote "Refa had a flashlight, not a gun." You can find this quote from him on the Lurker's Guide under the segment "JMS speaks" for this episode.
@FerretJohn I agree. I would have fired until my gun ran out of ammo. Lightly armed. I am on a planet were the entire population would kill me on GP. That combined w/ ppl at home wanting my head on a plate. Come this guy was a fucking idiot! He deserved to die before he got down there.
@unytcommsys Refa had the emperor's ear, given that he'd helped put Cartagia in power in the first place, so he thought he was safe from those on Centauri Prime.
As for Narn, all true, but Refa ran with a platoon of guards whenever he traveled outside on the planet, and he trusted them to do all his killing for him.
@FerretJohn Holfti is correct. JMS himself stated refa was holding a flashlight. Look at 0:19 , yes it looks like a gun, but if it has all light in it and JMS himself says its a flashlight...
Lord Refa got what he deserves after causing a lot Narn deaths. Londo also has Refa killed cause Londa thinks Refa killed Adira Tyree, but is was Morden who was repsonsible.
Love this scene with the pastor's service, awesome song "No Hiding Place".
worse you say?...hmmmm lets see how about this....have him hung by hooks by his ankles and he will be beaten with cudgels afterwords he will be slowly flayed alive thin slices first all the while rock salt is being poured into his open wounds...his mouth sewn shut with bullet ants....and his eyes put out.... and then after all of this is when we will get really nasty....
@LordAzanko no.. no... thats overkill. YEAh he deserves to die and those who he hurt deservedjustice, but it turns my stomach to the idea of otherwisenormal people allowed to be savage.
Karma is a merciless b***h, & Lord Refa had acquired a TON of Bad Karma. Of course, so had Londo.
B5 was 1 of the best science fiction / adventure dramas ever ! The re - imagined BSG borrowed some ideas from it, as far as plot development & story arcs.
i agree about karma....but the one thing that different between londo and refa is at least londo no matter how misguided it may have been he did what he did for centauri prime while refa was a cold merciless bastard that got what was coming to him...its funny you should mention BSG would you believe i have not once seen it?....i have to check it out....
Yeah, there is that. Londo's actions were guided by a sincere desire to bring back the old days when Centauri Prime was at the heart of a glorious empire, but his ambitions & desire went into OVERDRIVE after he made the deal with Morden. Refa could as easily have been approached, but Londo was in a better position to use certain resources.
Oh, BSG was also a big thrill ride, even though some people didn't like the finale, there are similarities between Roslin / Adama & Sheridan.
man im so glad londo killed morden...i hated that guy since the first time i saw him....good thing vir got his wish....i would have never had expected that much lol ..i heard they are making a prequel show to BSG...this time its 70 years in the past...
Morden DOES look somewhat better with his head separated from his shoulders.... !! The actor that played Morden was actually a technician in the B5 pilot, a guy called Guerra.
As to the prequel to BSG, it's called Caprica, & one of the subjects it touches on was the development of the Cylons 58 years pre - BSG.
I wish they would make a series like " The Babylon Project: Crusade " TNT killed " Crusade ".
the whats messed up about crusade is since they killed it so early its hard to know the order of the episodes...hey did you see the lost tales?....for some reason i heard alot of folks hated that...all i know is about some guy named dius vintauri and that he was going to destroy the earth when he became centauri emperor...
Crusade had less than 13 eps. if I remember correctly. TNT wanted to have it sexed up, like ST: VOY. JM Straczynski wouldn't cooperate, & he lost his backing.
Weren't the Lost Tales webisodes ?
Oh, yeah, I mentioned Caprica, too. It doesn't have the same action level as BSG, but it gives the background of the Colonies, & how the Cylons originated. It's pretty good !
@knoxvilleguy2, actually, I heard from JMS himself (on the late, lamented SFRT [Science Fiction and Fantasy RoundTable] on the equally late, lamented GEnie® online service [predating the popularity of the Web]) that TNT wanted to turn "Crusade" into, and I quote: "WWF in space" (back when the WWE was the WWF — they had to change it because of the World Wildlife Federation).
Rather than do that, JMS himself pulled the plug on "Crusade."
Ah..... Didn't know THAT. I always thought that TNT wanted to sex " Crusade " up, just like good ol' Voyager & Jeri Ryan & her gravity - defying mammaries.
Thank God JMS has principles & won't sell out for bucks or ratings.
@knoxvilleguy2, oh, sexing it up was part of what the TNT suits of the time meant by "WWF in space." WWF isn't just wrestling. There's the women wearing skimpy outfits.
JMS wasn't afraid of sex, of course, if there was meaning to it (think for instance the various envelope-pushing bedroom scenes), nor violence for that matter. But he was against doing either gratuitously, if there was no legitimate story reason.
And though he himself was and is atheist, he treated religion with respect.
A bit of trivia -- in the movie Ghost, this song is playing in the background when Patrick Swayze comes across Whoopi Goldberg's scam medium operation
I knew a fat Indian girl who was also personally responsible for the death of five or six million naans.
w4rfr05t 6 days ago
Revenge done right.
OminousLatinUsername 6 days ago
this is nearly as hilarious as the hokey pokey or i hate when you do that
WeAreGRID 1 week ago
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ToBiOh2 3 weeks ago
Just one of many perfect awesome moments that made BB5 perhaps the greatest sci-fi series in the world ^-^
Takisan111 4 weeks ago
@Takisan111 Even when Londo is doing something objectively good, he's still a very dark soul.
proadmin1 3 weeks ago
Just wickedly awesome. One of my favorite moments (of many) from B5's five-year run.
PackerBronco 1 month ago
You can hear this song in Ghost -- it's playing in the background when Patrick Swayze finds Whoopi's fortune teller shop
fhr331 1 month ago
thank you so much for puting this up now i love this episode their 1st acctual kiss hurray :)
westlifegsr 1 month ago
Even though he was innocent of killing Londo's girl, he still had a vast amount of blood on his hands and he made that god-wannabe nut leader of the Centauri. He got what was coming.
TheSecondEvolution 2 months ago
=))very funny was the last part!this show is brilliant!
MultiMamele 2 months ago
Reminds me something from Libya.
ZoidbergCZ 2 months ago 3
@ZoidbergCZ Yeah - JMS does tend to end up being relevant at some pretty dark times.
proadmin1 2 months ago
One of my favorite scenes of all time. This is what happens when something is well written. Bravo JMS
mstephens44 3 months ago
Refa = Wall Street sinners
TechnoMageB5 3 months ago
This has always been one of my favorite scenes; the juxtaposition of celebration and threat, rejoicing and death hit hard, and really make your spine crawl. It's a very powerful clip from the series, which has always been fantastic.
CajunGhostGirl 3 months ago 3
@5:43. Holy crap! Is that Jake Sisko in the front row?!
williamskidfears 3 months ago
One of the best episodes of B5!
Hiwatcher1 4 months ago
I was impressed with the chorograph of this scene. Especially when Refa flinches when Londo's holographic hand passes through him. Creepy, yes, but a good amount of justice all things being equal.
Spritespitfire 4 months ago in playlist Best of Babylon 5
RIP Andreas Katsulas. He was so brilliant as G'Kar. His speech when he was removed as ambassador when the Centauri took Narn... brilliant.
Edohiguma 4 months ago 3
Just noticed Refa was holding a gun when he stopped G"Kar... None of the Guards relieved him of his weapon... neither did the Narns.... Jerk should have gone down shooting...
seeker6789 4 months ago
@seeker6789 I somehow doubt that would've stopped the Narn from beating his ass to death. :D
williamskidfears 3 months ago
@williamskidfears OH so true Ive just got used to spotting continuity errors... Flim making fun..... : D
seeker6789 3 months ago
People, please refrain from hate speech and politicking in general, or I'll have to disable comments for this video.
blotosmetek 5 months ago 15
I meant to say NOT raw unyielding hatred. Auto correct at it's finest.
freeman8608 5 months ago
cpufightclub, I want to congratulate you on the bravado and relevance of your comment. Do you truly wish for a former president of the United States to be beaten to death? I may not like the current president very much, but those are differences of politics and now raw unyielding hatred. I wouldn't wish harm to him or any other politician. I am also glad that you have the endurance to continue to hate someone who has been out of office for 3 years and has since become a private, albeit very pr
freeman8608 5 months ago
This should have been George Bush
cpufightclub 5 months ago
@cpufightclub Hmmm ... should drop a note to the Secret Service. Threatening 2 former presidents is a pretty serious crime.
joemjackson 4 months ago
@cpufightclub
Bush Derangement Syndrome lives?
Hiwatcher1 4 months ago
5 people go to hide their face when it comes their time to die
291 people cry out no hiding place
thetick531 5 months ago
6:06 is so cute.
Watch Sheridan and Delenn
Kunama1000 6 months ago
@Kunama1000 Congratulation! One of the darkest moments in this series - and you find the small bright spot - Kudos.
proadmin1 6 months ago
Farewell Lord Refa, you shall be missed.
......Wait! Sorry, I was reading from the wrong notes.
Ah! Here we are!
Farewell Lord Refa, you were a slimy, unlikeable ass and if the crows eat what's left of your flesh it'll be too good for you.
There. Sounds much better.
TheJboy88 6 months ago 10
@TheJboy88 And, if the crows don't eat what's left, we'll understand....
williamskidfears 5 months ago
@TheJboy88 Youre too merciful.
greatunknowableevil 5 months ago
All please rise...
hamsteronspeed01 6 months ago
This clip and this episode is one of the many reasons that Babylon 5 is simply the greatest science fiction series in the history of television.
PackerBronco 6 months ago
Quick addition to my post, I like how Refa bolted like a scared rabbit after G'kar said "The rest is yours...." and how as the Narns closed in on him how he looked like he was crying out "Mommy!" and soiled himself! It just goes to show how pissing off a Narn is a bad idea and pissing off ALL of them is madness! LOL
girlgarde 7 months ago
@girlgarde Hey, like the soon to be Regent said to Vir: "What's worse than a room full of angry Narns? One angry Narn with the key!"
williamskidfears 5 months ago
@Eldeecue
What is, kid? :)
JesusFreakDK 7 months ago
@JesusFreakDK
But I'm referring to the dissonance between sound and image, here--which is the well from which this scene draws its strength and poignancy. A joyous song, yes...but it's still about the "chosen of God" looking on sadistically as all those bad people boil and sear in Hellfire. Sadistically being the key word.
You find a lot of "sadistic" speeches like this in the New Testament. For Refa, it is deserved, by you're still watching a man being beaten to death by a mob.
Eldeecue 7 months ago 2
@Eldeecue I just want to comment on something you seemed to pick up on here, though I don't know you meant to...are you comparing G'Kar to Paul at the stoning of Stephen? If so, its a pretty accurate comparison, especially considering his later revelation and change of character.
roninalchemist 5 months ago
@roninalchemist G'kar;s revealation and change of heart, though, comes before Refa's death, not after, as it did with Paul. See "Dust to Dust" from earlier in season 3.
williamskidfears 3 months ago
@JesusFreakDK
Sorry for spammy double response..but anyway: Babylon 5 wisely doesn't let you forget the brutality of what you're witnessing; You hate Refa, take a sick joy in watching him being bludgeoned to a pulp, and the show points out to you how its stimulating pleasure centers in your brain that you'd rather not acknowledge the existence of.
It's using a religious song to point out the fact we're all descended from apes, and very much still _are_ apes. : ) And that's awesome, I think.
Eldeecue 7 months ago
@Eldeecue Well given all the horrible things that Lord Refa did not just to the Narns but how his lust for power nearly destroyed his own people and made them hated by everyone and made Londo hated by just about everyone else on Babylon 5, it's hard NOT to take pleasure in seeing Refa get brutally killed by an angry mob of his victims. It doesn't make us evil, it makes us human as we want to see those he victimized receive justice as we believe the innocent shouldn't be made to suffer.
girlgarde 7 months ago
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JesusFreakDK 7 months ago
Be sure that your sin will find you out.
LordGodsServant 7 months ago
Beautiful! Thank you for capturing this for us all!
MasterPCTech 8 months ago
Am I the only one who has a bit of a problem with a song about the coming judgement, and condemnation, of BILLIONS of people....being to such a happy tune??
JesusFreakDK 8 months ago
@JesusFreakDK Um... yes... Also, did you even pay attention to what was going on or did you just listen to the music?
Aendiine 8 months ago
@Aendiine Answering "yes" to my question is....kinda disturbing. Also: Yes to your first question, no to the second.
JesusFreakDK 8 months ago in playlist Other
@JesusFreakDK Considering that is how the song is sung in Church's, then your argument has no weight. The song fits PERFECTLY for the fate of Refa, and considering they are underground, on Narn, then their is no hiding place for Refa "a sinner".
Also,there is no proof of a God or Judgement Day, so it really doesnt mater anyways. :)
bluntman1138 8 months ago
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@bluntman1138 "Also,there is no proof of a God or Judgement Day, so it really doesnt mater anyways. :)" There is no proof that you exist, so your comment doesn't really matter :)
JesusFreakDK 7 months ago
@JesusFreakDK Have you ever seen a Baptist service before? It isn't all dour and Debbie Downer like Catholic or Protestant services.
Fbueller129 8 months ago
@Fbueller129 I was Pentecostal for a long time after I came to faith. And if you want to start throwing mud at other churches, that's fine. I can play that game too. Do you want to go there?
THere's a little thing called "respect" which it seems you have a lot to learn about. Both regarding God, and your fellow man.
JesusFreakDK 7 months ago
@Fbueller129
I like Atheist services better, personally.
We do occasionally have, you know. The UnBaptism ceremony is quite amusing, the attending vicarpastorshaman waves the Holy Blow-dryer over our heads.
It cured an adorable eight year old girl of blindness a few years ago. The video of it is up on youtube, too. : )
Eldeecue 7 months ago
@JesusFreakDK
That's the idea, kid. : )
Eldeecue 7 months ago
@JesusFreakDK Yes.
williamskidfears 5 months ago
One of the Best Moments from a great series. A mass-murdering tyrant, a sadist, and an enemy of God is undone, while Gospel plays in the background. Brilliant!
CARDUELIS999 8 months ago
I like how G'kar just sigh and walk away at the end. He even looks a bit reluctant, even after everything Refa did to his people.
The old G'kar would never go without chewing on a finger or two.
Jings0b 8 months ago 29
@Jings0b Just to show how far G'kar's come in the short time since Kosh and he had their little talk in "Dust To Dust."
And, of course, how far he still has to go.
williamskidfears 8 months ago
@Jings0b Well, after everything he's been through, especially his bad trip earlier in "Dust To Dust," seeing a Centauri get beat down just doesn't give him pleasure anymore. He's moved beyond that, and he's doubtlessly wondering if his people are capable of anything more vengance and hate, if Kosh/G'quan was right when he said "...death is all we know, and death is all that we deserve."
williamskidfears 3 months ago
I'd pay to see that. :)
TheWarbirdPhoenix 8 months ago
Ironically Osama Bin Laden getting caught makes me think of this.
DEP717 9 months ago 3
@DEP717 I wish they had caught Bin Laden and then turned him loose in Times Square with as ten minute head start.
Coelacanth1938 8 months ago
@Coelacanth1938 Agreed. It would have been interesting to see how long he'd last before he was caught and beaten to death by a mob of angry New Yorkers......
girlgarde 7 months ago
@girlgarde 1½ seconds. Two, if they stop to have pizza first.
williamskidfears 5 months ago
@williamskidfears They would have the pizza AFTER they kill Osama Bin Laden to celebrate how they obtained justice at long last.
girlgarde 5 months ago
@girlgarde I figured the pizza would come in somewhere. Or pastrami. This IS New York, after all. :)
williamskidfears 5 months ago
thanks for posting. Indeed one of the strongest Babylon 5 scenes!
GerardDeDuivel 9 months ago
How could anyone think this is not an amazing piece of film?
AubinMagnus 9 months ago
Treachery will get you n the end
TheBadPupp 9 months ago
on of the best tv-shows i have ever seen! reminds me of my youth, along with twin peaks and picket fences. :D
Kormo83 9 months ago
Echos today are quite deafening.
PaulCastle001 10 months ago
Three people can't find a hiding place.
1977Arrakis 10 months ago 5
Libya.
TRW235 10 months ago
Youtube's an idiot. they have a dislike button here! And three ppl dislike it! No freeking way can anyone have that little of a soul. Really!
Soc245 10 months ago
@Soc245
Must be Refa's family.
YelDohan 10 months ago 2
@Soc245 Refa could, 'though I doubt he's currently capable of so simple an action as tapping a mouse key.
IamMeHere2See 9 months ago
rifa had it coming.
Soc245 10 months ago
It gives it so much more of a badass feel that Mollari wasn't even there.
supernuke 10 months ago
londos rise to power came simply from ppl mocking him , his possition as ambasodor to b5 was cause no one else wanted it and everyone thought he was a joke.
kaosruin 11 months ago
this is why molari is one of my top 3 bad guys of all time u c that one where he blew up the shadows on that island? Don't fuck with molari
ilikesmayonaise 11 months ago 2
@ilikesmayonaise I wouldn't even say he was a "bad guy" in the classical sense. He did the things he did with good intentions for his own people without really realizing what the final cost for everyone else was going to be. There was no real malevolent thought behind his actions. I don't think it was until he saw the asteroid bombardment of the Narn homeworld that he realized that his good intentions had taken him and his people to a very dark place.
Fbueller129 9 months ago
@Fbueller129 k good or bad just dont fuck with him, and in this scene, and 'into the fire' those actions were definiatly thought out and executed with the calm collectedness of a mind that isn't broken but is actually sprained. I think the bitter corruption of his ppl (The constant feuds and the fact his posting to B5 is a joke) combined with the narn war, the threat of the shadows, the death of his lover prior to these events make him do things that are shockin, and change his morality.
ilikesmayonaise 9 months ago
@ilikesmayonaise i'm not convinced remember Morden says 'Your crazy' n molari replies 'on any other day you would be quite wrong, but today is a very different day'. I got the sense that was his stick, he is brutally efficient and cunning in matters like this but all his intruige leaves him morally bankrupt. In the ones where molari in the future appears as emperor, I think you can see what the actions of his life have done to him no matter what motivated his actions
ilikesmayonaise 9 months ago
@ilikesmayonaise Agreed, but I would say he does it with the certain knowledge that he's damned no matter what, but he has to do what he has to do for his people.
So,with acceptance of his own fate, and the knowledge that his people will come out of the mess he's gotten them into, even if it means his own damnantion,
williamskidfears 8 months ago
This is why I'm terrified of aliens... and christians.
brokenseeker 11 months ago 3
Creepy? Its EPIC!
JDarach 11 months ago
fucked up way to die, kicked to death, but he had it coming!!!
amarieoflothlorien 11 months ago
@amarieoflothlorien A single human when angry can do some nasty things to flesh and bone with bare hands, and there where at least a dozen Narn all of whom are several times stronger than us ... the blooded data crystal in the next scene really doesnt do justice to the damage they must have done to Refa's body
Valen123456 10 months ago
I like that the black revival preacher survived into a post solar society.
rjbonacolta 1 year ago
wow I didn't realize lond was so brilliant! No wonder he becomes the emperor!
EasternMerchant 1 year ago
@EasternMerchant Yes he is. And, he made sure refa suffered the same fate as jaddo in "Knives" at refa's hands.
Except, there will be no honor duel to save the members of refa's house.
williamskidfears 11 months ago
Payback's a bitch.
alcockell 1 year ago 33
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BloodySmiley 1 year ago
A partir de 4:45 es la mejor parte
BloodySmiley 1 year ago
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BloodySmiley 1 year ago
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@MARCtrl "you never see that much drama on star trek"
BS...i guess you never watched "in the pale moonlight" or "the siege of ar-558"
just to name a couple...
B5 is a great show...but so is Trek.
gomemphistigers1 1 year ago
wow....lol....just wow
ImThePutz 1 year ago
This is one of the greatest scenes of the entire Babylon 5 series. This episode is special to me because I first saw it in college during my obsession with Star Trek. It was with this episode, and this scene specifically, that I finally realized that Babylon 5 was better than Star Trek (not that I don't still love DS9 and have fond memories of TNG). I think this episode also matured my taste in science fiction in general.
umberhaven 1 year ago
@umberhaven
Did you see Battlestar Galactica ? Its one of my favorite Sci fi series right after bab5
niefali 1 year ago
There's no hiding place for Lord Reefa
kaleigh12344 1 year ago
What do you mean MAY contain spoilers???
PaperSpock 1 year ago
This is just such a crazy scene. JMS is truly a master.
websnarf 1 year ago 2
best death scene ever in the history of movies or tv :P
kaosruin 1 year ago
Let's get Lord Reffa killed while playing Unfitting Music. :D That fucker deserved it.
AlucardHellsingZAFT 1 year ago
@AlucardHellsingZAFT What would've fit? "God's Gonna Cut You Down?"
williamskidfears 11 months ago
this scene is truly one of the most superior sequences on B5...
right after the severed dreams battle... ;)
i love how all things turn ^^
JheakrynaKyAlur 1 year ago
G'Kar is my hero
soobwhale 1 year ago
Never got into Babylon 5 because the characters and ships could have been more imaginative, but this was a good scene.
waverly24 1 year ago
@waverly24 If you started with season 1, I'll tell you that the characters do become more well rounded.
PaperSpock 1 year ago
@waverly24 The ships could have been more imaginative?! Did you ever see one of the Shadow ships?!
Besides that I loved the Earthship designs. They are still some of my favourite starships...ever. From the Starfury, up to the Omega Destroyers, it was one of the first shows that felt like the ships were designed by earth, and not by some 60s hippie comity. Thanks to the CGI the B5 battles were unlike anything seen on the small screen in sci-fi, and I think still stand the test of time.
ScreamingTc 1 year ago 3
@ScreamingTc : You said it. I still remember when the Omega destroyer came in to rescue Sheridan from the Streib and getting this sense of pride that I never felt with any other show's Earthship designs.
Vistico93 2 months ago
The end of this scene is proof (if there ever needed to be any) that JMS has a sense of humour.
zionravescene 1 year ago
Thank you. I have been looking for this scene for years.
wohenqiguai 1 year ago
I don't think he's proud, but satisfied is a good word. When you are confronted with a malignant tumor it must be excised. Rifa got exactly what he deserved, and Londo telling him it would destroy his clan's political power was probably a bigger blow to him than death. Delicious! If only Londo would have turned from the darkness himself. There were several chances when he had the choice but failed. What great characters, what a magnificent show. Only TV show I ever bought on DvD.
plaetoe 1 year ago
@plaetoe He tried. When he realized what he had become he did try!
unytcommsys 1 year ago
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@plaetoe, “If only Londo would have turned from the darkness himself. There were several chances when he had the choice but failed.”
Have you read the Centauri Prime Trilogy of novels by Peter David? It’s one of three post-B5 trilogies, all of which have been declared Official Canon by JMS himself.
Other official B5 canon print stories include the DC comics (at least the first arc with Sinclair and the later one with Sinclair first meeting Garibaldi), and the 7th and 9th novels.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
I know G'kar had his spiritual and personal rebirth but its still good to see he can look on with almost a proud and satisfied look ion his face as a true monster is beaten to death in front of him
Vonzula86 1 year ago
The words spoken between 0:47 and 1:30 should be heard by ALL.
Those with a faith, those without, those who do evil in the name of a religious belief or any reason should heed these words. "You must hate that which is different, because; in the end That hate will turn on you, that hate will destroy you."
Can there be truth beyond these words?
shredjoe1 1 year ago
i love the very small nuances of babylon 5 that make the show sooo cool. like g'kar shivering as holo-Mollari passed "through" him. sooo funny. and soooo coool!!!!!
silaku 1 year ago 24
@silaku I would be willing to bet that Mollari walked that path deliberately while recording the message, knowing that G'Kar would be holding the player. >:D
MultiSteveB 8 months ago
There's no hiding place down here!
HAHAHAHAH
He got what he deserved.
dkerris 1 year ago
The song itself is definately creepy with its emphasis on Hellfire and Brimstone. I think it was brilliant for Bill Mumy and Mira Furlan to have Lennier and Delenn be faintly appalled and just going along with it although thoroughly puzzled by turns. That being said, the tenor of the song certainly dovetails nicely with Refa's scenes.
DragonLady392 1 year ago
@DragonLady392 Not just that, but it points out that Refa, and later, Londo, are not able to hide from everything they've done, and, ultimately, must pay for their sins, Refa, by being destroyed in a manner similar to his destruction of Jaddo in "Knives," and Londo by sacrificing himself to the Drakh to save his people.
williamskidfears 1 year ago
The Narns in this scene need clubs instead of just their bare hands, for fanservice purposes.
WHAMWHAMWHAMWHAMWHAM!
Zak3056 1 year ago
this the reason the Earth Alliance will be the most powerful, we do the simple like body armor, where is that on theses Centuari guards?
Ltdeacon 1 year ago
@Ltdeacon I'm sure it's built into the uniforms. Centauri came from conflict(they were at war with another sentient race on Centauri Prime early in their history), and it only stands to reason they figured out the basics of body armor by "now."
Sides, it was changes in the Royal Court itself(brought on by the Narn question), rather than any lack of gear, which caused the Centauri to retreat from power. As Londo ultimately finds out, imperialism is a losing game in the end.
williamskidfears 1 year ago
For B5, when it is good, it was very very good, but when it is bad it is horrid. In contrast, the ST franchise seems to move along at an even keel - nothing great, nothing too appalling. I would note that the ST franchise has been with us since the 1960s, and had become iconic to American culture. In contrast, B% is almost as if it never were. It is the very originality and uniqueness of the BS% universe that I think has counted against it in the long run.
sukneh 1 year ago
@sukneh So, because Star Trek was bland, thin gruel to B5's steak dinner, ST will endure in the long run.
Sad.
williamskidfears 1 year ago 3
One of the best episodes. The phrase " It sucks to be you" applies here.
satanicmechanic86 1 year ago
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wickhamsgal 1 year ago
i for one don't think that this isn't a creepy ending for this episode it was a great ending ( you want creepy imagine Run Joey Run as the song) this song and scene just shows you do wrong anywhere it all comes back tenfold
P.S
I have always liked this show due to the fact that it is a more realistic take on the possible future, in the sense that the universe is not so Star Trek perfect (apology to Trekkers) and even in the future we will have to constantly have the need to grow.
wickhamsgal 1 year ago
@wickhamsgal
B5 & Ronald D Moore's re - imagined BSG are both FANTASTIC science fiction. Battlestar borrowed some ideas about space flight using Newtonian physics from B5. He also used story arcs rather than summing up a story in 40 minutes like Star Trek & others did. B5 started that, pretty much.
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
@knoxvilleguy2 Actually, Hill Street Blues began arc stories way back in the 1980's.B5 was great but it did not originate everything like JMS seems to claim
MrEagleflying 1 year ago
@MrEagleflying - I almost forgot about HSB & Bochco's best creation. I didn't know they originated the story arc concept.
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
It wasn't a creepy scene. It's actually quite beautiful and true in sense of the human condition.
gribae 1 year ago
It wasn't a creepy scene. It's actually quite beautiful and true in sense of the human condition.
gribae 1 year ago
I know the point of the scene was there parrellel between Reffa's commupance and the hymn but I always thought it looked slightly odd the Minbari and the Rabbi joining in with this hymn. The message "they forgot about Jesus.." seems to be the old "if you're not a Christian you go to hell" concept.
Hecatean 1 year ago
You know whats funny? He actually has a gun in his hand and it doesn't look like Londos guards took it, he didn't even bother to use it.
...But i'm glad he didn't because this scene is great. :)
gottenx25 1 year ago
@gottenx25 You're right, the gun Refa was carrying just mysteriously disappeared. Not that it really mattered, Refa's a blue-blooded burocrat, without a dozen armed soldiers at his back a gun in his hand is about as useful as a feather duster.
FerretJohn 1 year ago
@FerretJohn Refa was holding a flashlight. Check out the Lurker's Guide.
Holfti 1 year ago
@Holfti Nope, that's a gun. Look at the video, unless Centauri flashlights have verticle grips very small bulbs that's a gun.
FerretJohn 1 year ago
@FerretJohn Considering that they're an alien species, I don't know why their flashlights would need to look familiar to us. Either way, this wasn't a personal opinion, JMS himself wrote "Refa had a flashlight, not a gun." You can find this quote from him on the Lurker's Guide under the segment "JMS speaks" for this episode.
Holfti 1 year ago
@FerretJohn I agree. I would have fired until my gun ran out of ammo. Lightly armed. I am on a planet were the entire population would kill me on GP. That combined w/ ppl at home wanting my head on a plate. Come this guy was a fucking idiot! He deserved to die before he got down there.
unytcommsys 1 year ago
@unytcommsys Refa had the emperor's ear, given that he'd helped put Cartagia in power in the first place, so he thought he was safe from those on Centauri Prime.
As for Narn, all true, but Refa ran with a platoon of guards whenever he traveled outside on the planet, and he trusted them to do all his killing for him.
Silly Refa. Londo hired your guards....
williamskidfears 11 months ago
@FerretJohn Holfti is correct. JMS himself stated refa was holding a flashlight. Look at 0:19 , yes it looks like a gun, but if it has all light in it and JMS himself says its a flashlight...
sparrowlt 1 year ago
It's so much harder then Star Trek, and because of that, so much more real. Greatest show ever created that's fo sure.
Soldierlozer 1 year ago 2
Lord Refa got what he deserves after causing a lot Narn deaths. Londo also has Refa killed cause Londa thinks Refa killed Adira Tyree, but is was Morden who was repsonsible.
Love this scene with the pastor's service, awesome song "No Hiding Place".
jeffman52001 1 year ago
This whole episode was just perfect.
msanniemc 1 year ago
I just love that smile when she sings '...when it comes their time to die!', lol
darknessesbane 1 year ago 2
lmao...im sorry but this is priceless geting murdered to gospel music...oh man does that sucks to be him.....
LordAzanko 1 year ago 2
Refa deserved worse.
realcoldacid 1 year ago 2
worse you say?...hmmmm lets see how about this....have him hung by hooks by his ankles and he will be beaten with cudgels afterwords he will be slowly flayed alive thin slices first all the while rock salt is being poured into his open wounds...his mouth sewn shut with bullet ants....and his eyes put out.... and then after all of this is when we will get really nasty....
LordAzanko 1 year ago
@LordAzanko no.. no... thats overkill. YEAh he deserves to die and those who he hurt deservedjustice, but it turns my stomach to the idea of otherwisenormal people allowed to be savage.
elgostine 1 year ago
@realcoldacid See the movie "The Last King of Scotland." What Amin does to the doctor towards the end should satisfy anyone's definition of worse.
williamskidfears 1 year ago
@LordAzanko
Karma is a merciless b***h, & Lord Refa had acquired a TON of Bad Karma. Of course, so had Londo.
B5 was 1 of the best science fiction / adventure dramas ever ! The re - imagined BSG borrowed some ideas from it, as far as plot development & story arcs.
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
i agree about karma....but the one thing that different between londo and refa is at least londo no matter how misguided it may have been he did what he did for centauri prime while refa was a cold merciless bastard that got what was coming to him...its funny you should mention BSG would you believe i have not once seen it?....i have to check it out....
LordAzanko 1 year ago
@LordAzanko
Yeah, there is that. Londo's actions were guided by a sincere desire to bring back the old days when Centauri Prime was at the heart of a glorious empire, but his ambitions & desire went into OVERDRIVE after he made the deal with Morden. Refa could as easily have been approached, but Londo was in a better position to use certain resources.
Oh, BSG was also a big thrill ride, even though some people didn't like the finale, there are similarities between Roslin / Adama & Sheridan.
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
man im so glad londo killed morden...i hated that guy since the first time i saw him....good thing vir got his wish....i would have never had expected that much lol ..i heard they are making a prequel show to BSG...this time its 70 years in the past...
LordAzanko 1 year ago
@LordAzanko
Morden DOES look somewhat better with his head separated from his shoulders.... !! The actor that played Morden was actually a technician in the B5 pilot, a guy called Guerra.
As to the prequel to BSG, it's called Caprica, & one of the subjects it touches on was the development of the Cylons 58 years pre - BSG.
I wish they would make a series like " The Babylon Project: Crusade " TNT killed " Crusade ".
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
the whats messed up about crusade is since they killed it so early its hard to know the order of the episodes...hey did you see the lost tales?....for some reason i heard alot of folks hated that...all i know is about some guy named dius vintauri and that he was going to destroy the earth when he became centauri emperor...
LordAzanko 1 year ago
Crusade had less than 13 eps. if I remember correctly. TNT wanted to have it sexed up, like ST: VOY. JM Straczynski wouldn't cooperate, & he lost his backing.
Weren't the Lost Tales webisodes ?
Oh, yeah, I mentioned Caprica, too. It doesn't have the same action level as BSG, but it gives the background of the Colonies, & how the Cylons originated. It's pretty good !
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
@knoxvilleguy2, actually, I heard from JMS himself (on the late, lamented SFRT [Science Fiction and Fantasy RoundTable] on the equally late, lamented GEnie® online service [predating the popularity of the Web]) that TNT wanted to turn "Crusade" into, and I quote: "WWF in space" (back when the WWE was the WWF — they had to change it because of the World Wildlife Federation).
Rather than do that, JMS himself pulled the plug on "Crusade."
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ
Ah..... Didn't know THAT. I always thought that TNT wanted to sex " Crusade " up, just like good ol' Voyager & Jeri Ryan & her gravity - defying mammaries.
Thank God JMS has principles & won't sell out for bucks or ratings.
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
@knoxvilleguy2, oh, sexing it up was part of what the TNT suits of the time meant by "WWF in space." WWF isn't just wrestling. There's the women wearing skimpy outfits.
JMS wasn't afraid of sex, of course, if there was meaning to it (think for instance the various envelope-pushing bedroom scenes), nor violence for that matter. But he was against doing either gratuitously, if there was no legitimate story reason.
And though he himself was and is atheist, he treated religion with respect.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ
Right.
Ronald Moore used a bunch of his ideas in the BSG re - imagining as well.
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ As was demonstrated in "Parliament of Dreams."
williamskidfears 1 year ago
Ah Lord Refa... He had to go you know! And of course in the old days of the Republic.... Laugh out loud... Good Bye Refa.
garreijye 2 years ago 2
The enemy is the one who tells you you must hate that which is different
msanniemc 2 years ago 15
why doesn't anyone besides earth alliance wear body armor?, i mean whats the point of good small arms without body armor? any thoughts anyone?
Ltdeacon 2 years ago
A bit of trivia -- in the movie Ghost, this song is playing in the background when Patrick Swayze comes across Whoopi Goldberg's scam medium operation
fhr331 2 years ago 2
I have the box sets of every single episode, the Tv movies and so on. I still find myself watching clips on youtube.
This scene is why this is one of the best scifis ever made.
bytesabre 2 years ago 3
There are distinct similarities between the Centauri and Imperial Rome on Earth!
peskylisa 2 years ago