I am for fighting immorality. I will start by fighting against close minded jerks who can't see beyond their own religious idiocy and let gays be married just like everybody else. If you want to know some of the worst immorality ever written it comes from the genocidal wicked diety that orders acts of immorality whole condoning such things as slaver in that same Leviticus you quote. You also for stoning people who work on the sabbath?
God didn't sell mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, the banks did, God didn't turn the world agains the US, the government did by spreading war, dictatorship, terror and exploitation around the world instead of setting the example our county was founded on. And we as the citizens and consumers enable this exploitation and abuse. Non of this is the result of some external divine punishment for changing sexual norms, it is all the fruit of internal socio-political corruption
Further proof God is not punishing America for its alleged Godlessness (we're still way more religious than most developed countries, despite out rampant materialism and hedonism) is that fact that less religious countries than us like with more tolerance of sex and homosexuality like Norway, Sweden etc are peaceful, prosperous nations. The world doesn't hate us because God caused them do so, they hates us because we caused them to do so, God didn't wreck our economy, we did.
As for hell awaiting homosexuals, warning non-Christians about Hell is like a Muslim warning you that Jahanam awaits you because Iblis has blinded you from seeing the glory of Allah. It only makes sense from within your box, and cannot reach someone outside of it unless they come inside, since Hell and Satan who leads people into it must be taken on faith and cannot be proven. In other words, Hell only works as a warning if you already believe in it, and if you do, your already Christian anyway
America's decline is not a punishment from God, its a case of a greedy and corrupt government and private sector planting and reaping the seeds of their own destruction, and bringing the people who rely on them down with them. If fire and brimstone rained down on us, I'd concede it was God's punishment, but I don't see how you can attribute the actions of self-destructive people to divine punishment,. America is destroying itself by its own actions, not being destroyed by some outside force.
Secular government like the US is designed to allow the coexistence of all if its participants despite their different worldviews. If a Christian morally opposes homosexuality, it let him do so in his personal life, but keeps him from forcing his views on others. Law should be solely in interest of societies participants.
Okay fair enough, Christians are not obligated to go against their personal religious convictions, but what right do they have to impose their convictions on the whole of society out of their belief God will punish it otherwise. Society's laws are for the benefit of all of its members, including secular and non-Christians ones, this is a democracy, not a theocracy.
Homosexuality is defined by sex. Heterosexuality is defined by God. Homosexuality cannot be defined by marriage, it cannot be defined by children, and it will never be defined by love. Homosexuality is defined by a perverted sexual act. May God's love and mercy shine like a rainbow on our brothers and sisters struggling with sexual addiction and perversion.
Guys have a Gspot in there asshole. That seems like it is designed to be stimulated by a penis, like a womans vagina has the same thing. Did the devil just make Gspots to decieve us?
@garyzenuf kid being sad about your broken youth, about how u were rejected by the ppl u cared about and go and find God cuz no matter what hes waiting for u, he ll change ur life
Do whatever the hell you want, truth is you cant escape Divine Punishment...who decides who's right? the majority? The President? they re just ppl and are not perfect, they make mistakes all the time....God is perfect and thats why what He says is right, is right...If you still asking for proof of God, just take a Biology class and you ll see how complex this world is and how the world "WAS" in perfect balance...pick up a history book, in there, there's proof that Jesus existed.
christofer, if god were against gays, we wouldn't exist. I dont believe your bible. Why should I live under its laws? I'm an Asatruar. I dont expect you to live as one as a Christian. You seem to forget that America is NOT a theocracy. All Americans have a right to freedom of religion.
Gays are the popular scapegoat now. People hate and fear out of ignorance. Why encourage this sort of thing?
@aubergine2c " if god were against gays, we wouldn't exist." Thats ridiculous. The world is full of things God is against. I think its kind of the problem with the world! "Why should I live under its laws? I'm an Asatruar." You got me - do whatever you want - this is my opinion - my word doesn't make it law. Have a nice day!
Chris, you shoot yourself down, as what you consider to be 'scripture' which you use to justify your stance is the twisted version that is the King James #6 Bible.
You can't believe that God created a whole universe and not be responsible for homosexuality.
The point is, that many gay people consider themselves to be Christian and trust in God to judger their sin, NOT their fellow man.
You don't have that right, hence, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone!"
@osummuso if I were to throw a stone you'd have a point - but we are accountable to each other as Christians - if they think they are ok - then its between them and God - but there's no reason myself or anyone else should be silent about what the Bible says - and the Holy Spirit says - about homosexuality... its a lie to believe we aren't to be judged by believers within the body of Christ - in fact, for Christians - its scriptural to keep each other in check...
@christoferL "if I were to throw a stone you'd have a point "
You have posted this video and thus accuse, or 'throw a stone'.
Let me explain why you should just hush and focus on your own sin though;
As you already admitted, what the Bible says, has been mistranslated.
You're in no position to judge others, so surely it would be better if you just made video's confessing your OWN sin and asking viewers of a like mind to forgive you before judging others?
@osummuso If you or anyone else feels judged by the facts - and you want me to be the scape goat for your frustrations so be it.... you act as if you know me... lol... can you get off the soap box and get real for a minute? I HAVE POSTED VIDEOS ABOUT MY SIN. This channel - the ministry - its not about 'me' - its about sharing the experience of Christ - in these vids, Islam happens to be perfectly opposed to the core beliefs of Christianity. maybe if u don't like it don't watch?
@christoferL That would be good, as frankly, there are all ready too many ignorant, Bible Bashing Americans displaying their ignorance of the rest of the world, without your feeble addition.
Chris, you shoot yourself down, as what you consider to be 'scripture' which you use to justify your stance is the twisted version that is the King James #6 Bible.
@osummuso Translations are a matter of interpretation and such... thats why I like reading multi... misleading? inaccurate? if the Holy Spirit is leading - it won't matter.
An absolutely pointless video. Arguments against homosexuality are fitted to refute any recognition of same-sex couples. The part about gay sex was stunning: where did lesbians go? Not to mention the ridiculousness of the "disobedient nation" part. 1.5 billion of Chinese must be cursed, since they don't give a damn about your god. Keep it up like that!
@550077 They aren't cursed - they are damned - and it isn't up to me - its in accordance to acceptance and belief in Christ as decreed by God... of course - if Im wrong - then what dif does it make to you - it isn't like this is a viral video changing the world... sheesh...
@christoferL This video makes people who have no arguments think they actually do. Moreover, you justify people who make everything possible to deprive others of their rights, even if they have no interest in your god. I believe the day of justice is near. Soon you will be taken away of your rights using identical logical fallacies, and you won't be able to do anything about it. Once again – your arguments are not against same-sex marriage. They are for criminalization of homosexuality.
ok... you lost any kind of creadability when you asked how long god will bless an america that is sinfull.
I see your point that you oppose gay marriage because its in the bible... but in order to validate that position you MUST first prove that the bible is acctually the perfect word of a devine creator. If you can't than those words are entirly empty!
@christoferL In regards to your clip I ask myself that same question, largely based on one Scripture reference that, I say stands out the most. Rev.3:16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth." And many people, particularly the secularists, like to say "this nation is based on separation of church and state" when in fact, it's the separation of THEIR church and state, in which their church IS the state. Secularism=lukewarm, in my view.
@christoferL Who are you to judge if he has or has not? Say your piece and leave it at that. Tell thy neighbor of his wrong doings and sins of your religion, but do not preach to them or pass judgement least you be judged for passing judgement as a sin itself in front of the holy father himself.
@ldymoonphyre yawn. I am a voter - thats who I am - and when electing a politician to represent me - my family - my community... I could careless what people do in their own lives - but changing a social foundation WILL have some serious repercussions... believe it or not.
I think that union (between two people) in the eyes of law and union in the eyes of faith should be seperated.
One way to do that would be to have law perceive all marriages as civil unions, and add the blessing of one's church seperately from that.
After all, isn't the biblical meaning of marriage mainly a union to start a family? Gay couples are not a man and a woman, and therefore they won't be needing a blessing for such a union anyway, for they cannot reproduce in the traditional sense.
you are a member of ONE of the 30,000 groups who call themselves "Christians". So where do get off posing as the spokesman for ALL "Christians"? There are MANY things condemned or praised in the bible which "people of faith" in our day do not believe. Google "WhatkindofGod" (one word) to see the terrible things that are attributed to him in "God's Word".
Clergy like myself who are "liberals like Christ", we view many such statements insulting to a loving God.
My question is really. Why do you care? It isn't your choice. If you weren't allowed equality you'd be angered about it too.
Homosexuality isn't a choice. It isn't your place to tell us what we are not allowed the same right to marriage with those we love in the same way and intensity that you as a heterosexual would love someone of the opposite sex.
Why do I care? The nations will be judged - and my silence on the issue would constitute acceptance - making me as guilty as having been a vocal supporter of it... and you say homosexuality isn't a choice - but aside from speculation I still haven't seen any research that states that homosexuality is genetic - I may be in ignorance on this however, and I remain open to seeing such research. With all this in mind - I would rather see civil unions than the defiling of the sanctity of marriage..
Be it nurture or nature I can assure you sir it was not a choice for me. I'm from a very small, very christian town. I grew up spending every Sunday going to morning&night services, and also attended a christian private school. I spent many years asking the Lord for change and even spent time at a "change" ministry.
It was a long hard road for me to be able to look in the mirror and accept the person that I am today. It was no choice for me.
That being said. I'd rather have civil unions than nothing, although history shows that in America separate but equal is far from it.
The biblical sanctity of marriage has already been breached. Nonbiblical divorces are practiced every day by Christians.
I do agree with your interpretations of scripture. Not that I believe in the bible anymore, but I can't stand to see people twist a religion into their own views.
@christoferL Didn't you say so yourself that Civil Unions are the same thing as Marriage just under a different name. That you fell under that category. So whats the difference between you falling under that category and the "defiling of the sanctity or marriage" if you believe they are both the same just so named differently?
I'm sorry to see you feel this way. My belief in the actions I should or should not take is not on what is approved by society.
You are ok with people being gay; but you feel morally compelled to try and force the governement to inflict specific moral codes on people discourages a belief in faith, and suggests that people's belief should be mandated.
Hi rchodges: here's the thing - in America - we are supposed to speak our minds - and support what we believe is right. Thats all I am trying to do. As is the case with many issues (abortion, death penalty, war, etc) - I often get 'out voted' - but thats ok - thats democracy... with homosexuality - if the nation is a good with the marriages and such - so be it - but its my duty as a fellow american to state my feelings on it - just as those who support do... no?
I totally agree that you should state your opinion. And I think YouTube is a wonderful platform for that.
My only concern here is that your opinon isn't based upon a personal belief; but rather one suggested by a religious viewpoint. If you, Chris, think that homosexuality is bad for a societal reason, then speak up!
But if your only concern with homosexuality is because of a Biblical passage, then I think it's less your feelings, and more the feelings of the author(s).
I think you might be a little more at home in Iran, dear.
The Christian Taliban is attempting to redefine civil marriage as religious marriage as part of the Dominionist agenda. Enough of this right-wing pc nonsense and the Christian culture of professional victimhood.
stay - actually - I believe its the homosexuals redefining marriage in a way that it never even considered possible - even by gays.... but as I've stated elsewhere - if gay marriage is legalized then theres not a lot we can do to fight it - such as in my home state of Massachusetts.
Your arguments are excellent reasons why christians should not be gay or engage in gay marriage. They are not, however, reasons that apply to non christians. So it seems to me that your policy should be to support gay marriage for non christians but not for christians.
So I trust that your shirt is not a blend of animal and vegetable fibers, like, say, silk/cotton or some such.
'Cause if you break one law, you break 'em all. And linsey-woolsey is RIGHT OUT man. Says so in Leviticus.
You MAY have a New Testament excuse for the shrimp ou ate (it is not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean) but ALL the other rules still apply. Oh, that peach you ate in the second year the tree bore fruit? You're going to hell for that, man.
Well, actually Civil Unions are not Marriages. Civil Unions are not religiously sanctified, and not everyone in America is a freaking Christian. Get over yourself, and send that message to all your buddies.
you sound retarded only because of your absolute opinion on your bible.instead of spending your time assuming you even have a clue,read a diferant book where a straight man is fat and picks his nose on camera. oops ! you already read that one.
Dude, you're basically the reason I live. I don't want anyone to hurt you. Without you, I have no one to feed my anger and push me to do great things in the name of religion and politics. Don't let someone call you fat. You're beautiful. :)
evangelist and preachers are all full of shit and will be beheaded by the most high for their nastiness and support of corp USA demons. You are no christian. you are full of shit. you play with lawyers and judges and have all the nasty contracts with them that guarantee you spot in hell. You are as full of shit as the rest of the social security card packing scum demon lovers upon this land. So shut the fuck up. You look gay
anyone who contracts with corp USA to get married is a dumbass. anyone who looks at any social security card packing corp USA PERSON,CITIZEN,thing ,is a dumbass. you are all fools and will be truely sorry for being such dumbasses
anyone who would sign a marriage contraact with corporation is a demon possessed dumbass. Homos all need to be beheaded along with all the homo child rapist lawyers and judges
what one man calls 'not right' another calls an 'immutable truth' - my God doesn't fail - we fail to understand - uphold - and believe (we as in u, me, and all others breathing His air)
Why not? If your source had some vlaidty I would, historically, and cotradiction wise it haas neither. It has nothing to do with the truth it has to do with validity.
For example, God is all seeing, but he had to send two (not one) angels down to Samamorah becasue he "Heard" about the evil there and needed conformation is but one of the earliest examples.
Why not? Because you don't believe in Him. What I consider validity you consider otherwise - and thats ok - I don't expect nor do I anticipate your agreement about Him. I know how you see two angels sent as a problem - but I see it as something else - something given to two angels to accomplish for His reasons - not out criticism. The way things were given to the Jews for the purpose of scripture is often scrutinized - for better or worse - but it is what it is.
You're right about not Believing "IN" him in the way you believe in his, perfect nature. Whetehr or not I accept there was thie being that said he was god is another matter altotgether, even that itself is far fetched but I wont den it's possible.
But what I do belive in and see is a very human god with human frailties and human judgements. All I see is something created byt man, to appease himself, not a higher being
AShe - lets suppose - and thisis all speculation because there is no scripture to support this - but lets suppose God was testing the two angels and their loyalty - knowing what they would do - but having to go through the exercise so the angels would see themselves for what they were...
becasue the scripture says he sent them down to check it out. Not to test their faith, not to excersise anything but to confirm the rumours. YOu can speculate all you like, all you've done is proven my point for me. Convienince is better than actual critism.
Yeah yeah I know the book was written by man, but in that you have to accept the very real likelyhood that your God was created by man.
As has been pointed out before "Religion is the perfect excuse for the inexcusable"
You see this is what I find so ironic. You have the audacity to accuse me of be so closed minded, yet you dsiplay it all so well with the same old cliche. I base my findings on the evidence not speculation and I accept the solid evidence before me and build a coherant picture. You on the other seem to create the evidence to suit your ends, and take to evidence that contradicts itself so easily and pretend it's a none issue.
I have news for you, it is an issue, and a serious one for your faith
On your prmise, Chris you would by defenition have oppose Athiest marrage as well.
As for not being homophobic to oppose Homosexuality, think on this for a while, another nation didn;t consider itself homophbic a while back, can you guess which one? By opposing such behavour you become a part of the socirty that hates it. In England, the BNP doesn't consider itself racist, they just want certain races to go back to where they came from.
Ashe - on my premise? not so - unless the atheist marriage is homosexual. My premise is basically the fact that our bodies are clearly designed for heterosexual relations. Being atheist alone doesn't violate that. If my opposition of homosexuality means I hate it - then so be it. It is against my Lord's design - so I don't mind being told I am a hater of it. I still don't hate the people involved in it... just hate the action of it.
Unfortuantly I do not accept Marrage as rlegious instition, in fact I kck God right out of it. The state is not ordaned by God to see me marrid (read Costitution). Your God has nothing to do wirth my marrage, my divorce or extrmarial relationships. It's that simple
erog Athiest marrages are wrong. As you said before, "Marrages overeen by god" in a previous video, remember that?
Marrage, period is not relgious, it is a personal matter. All regelions lay claim to it, none can back it up
Well - you certainly are welcome to your opinion. I wouldn't have it any other way. The good news for you is that the world apparently agrees with you overwhelmingly - and eventually - that is exactly how marriages will be in every nation... still - I'd be a liar if I didn't stand for what I believe in - just as you would be. I am ready for the world to go secular - and ready to stand in my faith - even if it makes others hate me... its ok. This too will pass. :)
geez, you reall have a high opinion of yoursel;ves when you feel hated. The world may agree with me, but it;s a damn shame people liek you have the power over it when you should't have (read constitution and Treaty of Tripoli)\
Your beleif is just a belief, not a fact. It is homophobia, whether you like it or not, and this is why your human god, with human all to human aspects, should be wiped out of history. having an excuse to fear is dangerous
Where did u get martyr? what ever happens happens - though I would not be surprised if I do die over my faith one day. I don't control anything in America. In a democracy - the people shape the law - thats WHY your 'side' will end up victorious. You call me homophobic and thats ok. I just don't understand your hostility... wipe God out of history? An excuse to fear? Wow - you don't think people would hate homosexuality without God? Thats blind.
We will NEVER have world peace. Religion has caused more wars and deaths than any disease or famine could ever. Keep pushing your religous bigotry on others and see where it gets you. Why is it so hard to live and let live? Not everyone shares your beliefs. The USA political and religious views are more closely aligned with countries like Iran, Iraq, and Syria...than those of our allies UK, France, Germany, or Spain. Think about that for a moment! Equal rights for EVERYONE!
neen - then if raised by accepting liberals a child should be an accepting liberal - yet I was raised by an accepting liberal - guess that theory is WRONG>
False. Civil Unions grant just over 200 rights... Marriage grants proximately 1100.
PREMISE #2
"From a Christian point of view there's no difference between the two."
False. Marriage is ordained by Yeshua himself... Civil Unions are ordained by the State. (render unto God what God and render unto Caesar what is Caesar's)
I do have reference for this. US States allow for Civil Unions, check those and compare them to a marriage contract in the same state.
Once again, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's" - otherwise I expect to see you rallying against atheist marriage while you're at it if it is strictly religious.
And last but not least, my point is that anyone who believes in a gay agenda is homophobic. We can barely organize a parade once a year. :P
#2 Thats an interesting view point - I'll have to think about that one.
#3 I don't think its homophobic to oppose homosexuality - but how one opposes it can make one homophobic. I am expressing my belief - but I am not out killing homosexuals - nor am I picketing parades, etc... all I am trying to do is uphold what God has made clear to me in so many ways.
Sorry I did not mean to sound like you were not telling the truth I was just backing what you are saying in that you are among the people telling us what we need to hear but refuse to acknowledge it
for the one who wants to know where gay can be found in the bible, the truth lies in romans 1:26-27. And the book of God the BIBLE doesn't dictate ii, it gives you the description of right and wrong and the choice on how you live your life is yours God does not follow us around with a stick saying we have to follow His word, He is a good God He gives us a choice and you have to bear the consequences of your own choices.
lucus - look - you are Orville, formerly Devil Nightmare, Preacher189, Pigpen2008 and more - You have blocked me on all your channels. You do not seek to express the truth of God - but only attack others who are trying... Why? You tell me.
You won't find gay - or even homosexual (in decent translations) what you will find is explicit definitions of homosexuality condemned. (why would I delete your question?)
I kneel before the Lord everyday - and would never 'block' Him - but that is irrelevant. You are not the Lord - nor are you even a representative of Him. You are a coward who hides behind multiple accounts - too afraid to love fellow believers - so insecure that you spend your time trying to belittle them.
As is stoning children, prosititutes, not marrying a foerigner, eating shell fish, hold pig skins, wearing two clothes of linens, bastard children not being allowed into heaven, marrying the woman you raped by buying her from her father, etc, etc, etc.. oh and al in Leviticus...
Of course it's okay to break those rules as they don't apply today
And you wonder where we see the hypocrisy? No the reality is, you hate gays, pure and simple. "God" is a mere excuse
History teaches us, all empires fall sooner or later. Nothing to do with "God's blessing". For example, the Roman Empire fell only AFTER Christianity became the state religion. I guess God didn't like that.
The Texans at the Alamo were defeated. So shall be the so called "Christians" who oppose homosexual rights. They're on the wrong side of history, and eventually their numbers will be too meager to prevail. In the future, these people will be regarded in the same way, as those who opposed civil rights for blacks in the 1950s and 60s.
Sec - according to the Bible - it is a fact, but I am pleased to see you indirectly acknowledging God is real - even if you don't believe what He told Moses.
TO ALL CHILDREN OF SAME SEX FAMILIES: Please don't listen to these people. Your Mums and Dads love you, and they are your parents no matter what the straights say about them, and no matter what their children say to you at school. Stand proud to know that you are not from a broken home, and that you have two loving parents who are no more or less normal than anyone else; and God loves them as much as he loves anyone else. WE LOVE YOU K!
nicksum29: You sent a personal message to me this morning stating that I made your teenage daughter cry, when she read my comments. Then you ended your message by; sarcastically "Thanking me alot". It is a shame before the Creator God, that you consider same sex marriage cool with God, when in fact, in the beginning, God made them male and female, and united THEM in HIS HOLY UNION. Jesus Christ clearly identifies what GOD'S HOLY UNION is. It is YOU who have taught your daughter untruthfully....
...It does not surprise me a bit, that in this post-modern age of enlightenment, that when people speak of Scripture condemning homosexuality, echoes of grief and exasperation resounds loudly, from the haters in the age that be. Haters? yes, haters of God Word. If you are not for God, then you are against Him. Can't have it both ways. I have this question, since you have indeed failed to provide for my not even ONE scripture supporting homosexuality...
This country has always been steeped in sin though. The way we treated the Indians, the way we treated the Africans, the way we treated African-Americans up until a couple of decades ago. Vietnam, The Great Depression, I mean you could just open a history book and randomly point and I doubt you would find an action of this nation that wasn't made with godly principles in mind.
Lastly, it always dangerous to mix your biblical beliefs with politics. God is neither democrat or republican; conservative or liberal - He is God. This is another great error of the evangelical church. You, or better yet - the church, have basically anointed the republican party as the party of God. It is a foolish assertion. the ideology of the republican party is no closer to God than is the ideology of the democratic party.
Furthermore, the only sin people end up in hell for is the sin of rejecting Jesus as the Christ/Messiah. John 3:17-18, states that ...he did not come to condemn the world, but to save it. he/she who doesn't believe is condemned already. So the falacy of your entire premise - through your misdirected zeal and wrongly dividing of scripture - is indicated in your failure realize that isolating a particular sin a waste of time. It is the goodness and love of God the leads men to repentance.
Dude! On the surface of the topic, I agree with the fact that God created man and woman the sole purpose of propagating his image/essence throughout the earth. Therefore, it would impossible for a homosexual to fulfill the commandment to replenish the earth. However, your logic is very skewed as it pertains to blessings and curses because you fall prey to same faulty logic that many evangelical subscribe to today. You can compare the biblical Israel to the US in any way, shape, or form.
Understand this, I don't and will not disrepect you or other christians for their heartfelt beliefs. It offends me and most if not all Gays and lesbians to be called EVIL, HELL BURNERS, etc. It's derogatory and judges me bases solely on one fact of my ongoing life. Death row inmates don't even get called that, they get last minute pardons usually from christian groups though rarely hear shouts of EVIL from the same crowd just crying sympathy.
And again if love of any shape, form etc. isn't allowed to flourish then all we really do is repeat history and become Judas like. Would you want your children to pretend to be a Doctor instead of a Lawyer because it's what you want, it's your happiness and not your children's. Similar philosophy when you think about it. BTW, loving gay couples would love to create a child out of their love yet watch as some straight couples abuse that very privledge everyday for reasons like welfare benefits.
Well we both know that would be impossible considering the generational gap. I'm not saying it doesn't exist as a symbolic book all I ponder is were "said things" added to cause such a breakdown within our society? Maybe the devil added hateful passages to defer us away from peace,love and happiness for all. If homosexuality is truly a sin then why allow our creation or continued existence? Wouldn't God's armies forbid our entry onto Earth?
But who's to say the Bible was translated correctly? We don't- God is a spiritual element existing outside our physical boundaries- Don't get me wrong I LOVE GOD! but neither one of us was their when the bible was written, or maybe we were in past lives yet don't know it. I just can't believe that with all the possibilites of creation GOD says no GAYS. God is an all loving being. At least conceptualize thoughts that the bibe may not have been written as we see it today.
I understand your point - and suggest you investigate the translation of the Bible if its something you think might be wrong. As it stands - to suggest it might be mistranslated only leaves it as a possibility. As for God saying NO GAYS - if we look at the design of the human body and remember that He wanted us to pro-create - it would seem homosexuality opposes that goal. Love is a funny thing - and we can love the wrong things - such as the example of the smoker loving the cigarette.
Also, if God is so against Gays and Lesbians yet foresakes good christians then why is that most wars within every century have occurred because of some relgious dispute? Our organized religious system bickers about the bible, about whether or not Jesus died, whether or not it was John Smith and not Jesus etc. If Jesus is in fact dead and sitting next to GOD then wouln't Buddha be on the oher side balancing the equation? Jesus with Peace, Buddha with love.
RMA - you raise a great point that few will hear - but it speaks to the hypocrisy of Christians more so then an inconsistency with God. I believe we Christians should hate war. I think its a huge mistake to fall into this patriotic trap of protecting land that belongs to God anyways. As for Jesus and Buddha, Jesus is not dead sitting to the right of the Father, but living - He rose from and defeated death. As for love - God IS love, amen.
Please explain how you don't judge gays and lesbians, Chris c'mon? You are- You repeat by saying that we will all burn in hell, I went to sunday school, i'm baptized, i know the bible just like other gay people we are aware without people like you repeating it like cigarette smokers choosing to smoke aware of the cancer risk and with a huge bold faced warning on the side, staring directly at us. God gaves us the right to choose also.
I don't judge them as people - I simply call their actions against what God has said out. I think if I am doing something against God its good to be called out too. I understand what you are saying - and I do sympathize - as a former smoker I can completely relate... just keep in mind - you said it - God gave us the right to choose - His way - or ours - thats the question.
Question: why is that when serial murderers, rapists, child abusers, etc. all beg for God's foregiveness from Christians it's immediately granted like children blowing out birthday candles, receiving their wish instanteously and it's poof- you're forgiven although Gays are going to hell no matter what. No ifs, ands or buts we already put you on the devil's V.I.P list. To thine ownself be true- in other words, never be something you're not whether internally or externally.
If murderer, rapists,etc repents they are usually forgiven because they can't commit the offense any longer - they've repented. Gays want forgiveness while continuing in their ways... thats why there is reluctance & even refusal - but - and I mean this - it is between God and u. I don't know if u are certainly going to Hell, I just know what the Bible says on it - check out 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Believe me when I say - I pray all the time that mercy prevails and u won't go to Hell.
Furthermore, civil unions is an insult like white being classified as caucasian's culture identity. White is a color just like civil unions is a business partnership not love's solidifying overall achievement of marriage. Do you realize that most gay and lesbian couples can't receive emergency medical happenings of their spouses because they aren't recognized as a spouse? Imagine if someone told you that? Imagine the love of your life dying yet you can't say goodbye? This is the issue for us.
RMA - I sympathize with you - I really do - and I don't have all the answers - but I can say this: 1) Souls last forever - marriages do not. In the next life we are not going to be married to each other according to Christ 2) If we oppose God - there are problems - such as running into roadblocks because you aren't in compliance with Him... such as the medical issue perhaps.
God is the only one who can judge us. God didn't give any special person or group special privileges to pick and choose who gets judged and who doesn't. In addition, if Christians really are faith going Christians then wouldn't they shake their heads profusely yet allow our judgemental day before we enter the pearly gates? Keep in mind, soulmates didn't and don't choose their gender whether now or when their spirits are sent back to earth. Love is Love! God knows this or we would all be Stepford
God is the only judge - and I am not judging ANYONE - what I am doing is trying to say that if WE as a PEOPLE ignore His clear directives for life - WE as a PEOPLE will suffer. If a person wants to be and is gay - I am not judging them by sharing what the Bible has to say about it. ALL people fall short of the glory of God, and we should at least warn each other of the places we see ourselves falling short, no?
Homosexuality is a choice according to you, right? Then @ 19 God came to me and asked me if I wanted to take the easy, non hated way (straight) or the hard path of hate (gay) and I actually said GAY just for fun and giggles??????? Hate, bigotry, judgement upon others is what corrupts our country. Do me a favor if you are a bigot, just say it, don't mask it with Bible phrases then have degoratory body language against our new President Obama. GOD DOESN'T ALLOW HATE!!
RMA - it is a choice as far as you have feelings you choose to embrace - yes. BTW - I've never been an Obama supporter - so if you saw derogatory body language, thats why. And do tell - do you understand what God wants enough to declare that God simply doesn't allow it? John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
So if homosexuals don't pursue their own happiness, become straight for the sake of passages in a bible that was originally written in Hebrew, later transcribed into English, (hopefully right)- or maybe it wasn't hence the diversification within religion itself i,e Jewish, mormon, even the Catholics have somewhat of a different intrepation then wouldn't we be similar to what Judas did to Jesus? Pretending to be someone he isn't? Pretending to love someone for the sake of the commonwealth.
RMA - I didn't say homosexuals should become straight - if we are born with a preference (and I do say IF because I am not convinced that homosexuals are born that way and not affected by other environmental or social issues) - and that preference opposes the things God has proclaimed - then its our duty if we claim to love Him to resist those preferences. IF I am born with a natural lust for many women, I should resist it. If I am born with a lust for violence and murder, I should resist, etc.
I think Mr. Obama being the next president will put the nail in the coffin on our blessings. Timothy is a perfect example of this. "Lovers of pleasure rather than Lovers of God" and so on an so forth.
I am for fighting immorality. I will start by fighting against close minded jerks who can't see beyond their own religious idiocy and let gays be married just like everybody else. If you want to know some of the worst immorality ever written it comes from the genocidal wicked diety that orders acts of immorality whole condoning such things as slaver in that same Leviticus you quote. You also for stoning people who work on the sabbath?
MrNicMachiavelli 1 month ago
God didn't sell mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, the banks did, God didn't turn the world agains the US, the government did by spreading war, dictatorship, terror and exploitation around the world instead of setting the example our county was founded on. And we as the citizens and consumers enable this exploitation and abuse. Non of this is the result of some external divine punishment for changing sexual norms, it is all the fruit of internal socio-political corruption
redcommander27 5 months ago
Further proof God is not punishing America for its alleged Godlessness (we're still way more religious than most developed countries, despite out rampant materialism and hedonism) is that fact that less religious countries than us like with more tolerance of sex and homosexuality like Norway, Sweden etc are peaceful, prosperous nations. The world doesn't hate us because God caused them do so, they hates us because we caused them to do so, God didn't wreck our economy, we did.
redcommander27 5 months ago
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redcommander27 5 months ago
As for hell awaiting homosexuals, warning non-Christians about Hell is like a Muslim warning you that Jahanam awaits you because Iblis has blinded you from seeing the glory of Allah. It only makes sense from within your box, and cannot reach someone outside of it unless they come inside, since Hell and Satan who leads people into it must be taken on faith and cannot be proven. In other words, Hell only works as a warning if you already believe in it, and if you do, your already Christian anyway
redcommander27 5 months ago
America's decline is not a punishment from God, its a case of a greedy and corrupt government and private sector planting and reaping the seeds of their own destruction, and bringing the people who rely on them down with them. If fire and brimstone rained down on us, I'd concede it was God's punishment, but I don't see how you can attribute the actions of self-destructive people to divine punishment,. America is destroying itself by its own actions, not being destroyed by some outside force.
redcommander27 5 months ago
Secular government like the US is designed to allow the coexistence of all if its participants despite their different worldviews. If a Christian morally opposes homosexuality, it let him do so in his personal life, but keeps him from forcing his views on others. Law should be solely in interest of societies participants.
redcommander27 5 months ago
Okay fair enough, Christians are not obligated to go against their personal religious convictions, but what right do they have to impose their convictions on the whole of society out of their belief God will punish it otherwise. Society's laws are for the benefit of all of its members, including secular and non-Christians ones, this is a democracy, not a theocracy.
redcommander27 5 months ago
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Homosexuality is defined by sex. Heterosexuality is defined by God. Homosexuality cannot be defined by marriage, it cannot be defined by children, and it will never be defined by love. Homosexuality is defined by a perverted sexual act. May God's love and mercy shine like a rainbow on our brothers and sisters struggling with sexual addiction and perversion.
jmoonsuede 8 months ago
Guys have a Gspot in there asshole. That seems like it is designed to be stimulated by a penis, like a womans vagina has the same thing. Did the devil just make Gspots to decieve us?
pathologicalglances 11 months ago
@garyzenuf woa u really feel lonely huh?
shadowromeo22 1 year ago
@garyzenuf kid being sad about your broken youth, about how u were rejected by the ppl u cared about and go and find God cuz no matter what hes waiting for u, he ll change ur life
shadowromeo22 1 year ago
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shadowromeo22 1 year ago
Do whatever the hell you want, truth is you cant escape Divine Punishment...who decides who's right? the majority? The President? they re just ppl and are not perfect, they make mistakes all the time....God is perfect and thats why what He says is right, is right...If you still asking for proof of God, just take a Biology class and you ll see how complex this world is and how the world "WAS" in perfect balance...pick up a history book, in there, there's proof that Jesus existed.
shadowromeo22 1 year ago
Just man up and say that the Bible wants you to KILL homosexuals. The bible is full of shit and is most often wrong.
TMBrd89 1 year ago
christofer, if god were against gays, we wouldn't exist. I dont believe your bible. Why should I live under its laws? I'm an Asatruar. I dont expect you to live as one as a Christian. You seem to forget that America is NOT a theocracy. All Americans have a right to freedom of religion.
Gays are the popular scapegoat now. People hate and fear out of ignorance. Why encourage this sort of thing?
aubergine2c 1 year ago
@aubergine2c " if god were against gays, we wouldn't exist." Thats ridiculous. The world is full of things God is against. I think its kind of the problem with the world! "Why should I live under its laws? I'm an Asatruar." You got me - do whatever you want - this is my opinion - my word doesn't make it law. Have a nice day!
christoferL 1 year ago
Ever heard of freedom of religion? That means freedom to believe that Christianity is bogus.
jackson23220 1 year ago
@jackson23220 That's true - did I imply anything different?
christoferL 1 year ago
Rest assured, I won't be watching any more of your hate-filled crap.
BLOCKED YOU!
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso ROFL - Thats great - I think its the first time a viewer and person posting on MY vids has blocked me...
christoferL 1 year ago
Chris, you shoot yourself down, as what you consider to be 'scripture' which you use to justify your stance is the twisted version that is the King James #6 Bible.
You can't believe that God created a whole universe and not be responsible for homosexuality.
The point is, that many gay people consider themselves to be Christian and trust in God to judger their sin, NOT their fellow man.
You don't have that right, hence, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone!"
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso if I were to throw a stone you'd have a point - but we are accountable to each other as Christians - if they think they are ok - then its between them and God - but there's no reason myself or anyone else should be silent about what the Bible says - and the Holy Spirit says - about homosexuality... its a lie to believe we aren't to be judged by believers within the body of Christ - in fact, for Christians - its scriptural to keep each other in check...
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL "if I were to throw a stone you'd have a point "
You have posted this video and thus accuse, or 'throw a stone'.
Let me explain why you should just hush and focus on your own sin though;
As you already admitted, what the Bible says, has been mistranslated.
You're in no position to judge others, so surely it would be better if you just made video's confessing your OWN sin and asking viewers of a like mind to forgive you before judging others?
Can you do that?
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso If you or anyone else feels judged by the facts - and you want me to be the scape goat for your frustrations so be it.... you act as if you know me... lol... can you get off the soap box and get real for a minute? I HAVE POSTED VIDEOS ABOUT MY SIN. This channel - the ministry - its not about 'me' - its about sharing the experience of Christ - in these vids, Islam happens to be perfectly opposed to the core beliefs of Christianity. maybe if u don't like it don't watch?
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL I didn't ask if you HAD posted videos about your sin.
I suggested you contain yourself to them.
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso ahh - thanks for the clarification and the suggestion... consider it considered...
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL That would be good, as frankly, there are all ready too many ignorant, Bible Bashing Americans displaying their ignorance of the rest of the world, without your feeble addition.
Many Thanks.
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Yeah - well - after watching a few of your vids - all I can say is your suggestions have kindly been rejected - more videos to come...
christoferL 1 year ago
Chris, you shoot yourself down, as what you consider to be 'scripture' which you use to justify your stance is the twisted version that is the King James #6 Bible.
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso I use MANY translations of the Bible - just because I used the KJV in this one don't be misled into thinking thats all I read...
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL Then you admit that the KJ6V version can be misleading, as it is innacurately translated?
That's a question requiring a Yes or No answer!
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Translations are a matter of interpretation and such... thats why I like reading multi... misleading? inaccurate? if the Holy Spirit is leading - it won't matter.
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL oh yeah - and to answer your question... yes...
christoferL 1 year ago
An absolutely pointless video. Arguments against homosexuality are fitted to refute any recognition of same-sex couples. The part about gay sex was stunning: where did lesbians go? Not to mention the ridiculousness of the "disobedient nation" part. 1.5 billion of Chinese must be cursed, since they don't give a damn about your god. Keep it up like that!
550077 1 year ago
@550077 They aren't cursed - they are damned - and it isn't up to me - its in accordance to acceptance and belief in Christ as decreed by God... of course - if Im wrong - then what dif does it make to you - it isn't like this is a viral video changing the world... sheesh...
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL This video makes people who have no arguments think they actually do. Moreover, you justify people who make everything possible to deprive others of their rights, even if they have no interest in your god. I believe the day of justice is near. Soon you will be taken away of your rights using identical logical fallacies, and you won't be able to do anything about it. Once again – your arguments are not against same-sex marriage. They are for criminalization of homosexuality.
550077 1 year ago
2014
TheMhunky 1 year ago
ok... you lost any kind of creadability when you asked how long god will bless an america that is sinfull.
I see your point that you oppose gay marriage because its in the bible... but in order to validate that position you MUST first prove that the bible is acctually the perfect word of a devine creator. If you can't than those words are entirly empty!
peace!
TheNinerion 1 year ago
@TheNinerion Thats ok - you've lost credibility too. :)
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL
I'm from Germany! so dont complain about my spelling XD
TheNinerion 1 year ago
@TheNinerion lol - I wasn't complaining about your spelling.
christoferL 1 year ago
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Tsuruta1 1 year ago
@christoferL In regards to your clip I ask myself that same question, largely based on one Scripture reference that, I say stands out the most. Rev.3:16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth." And many people, particularly the secularists, like to say "this nation is based on separation of church and state" when in fact, it's the separation of THEIR church and state, in which their church IS the state. Secularism=lukewarm, in my view.
Tsuruta1 1 year ago
@christoferL Who are you to judge if he has or has not? Say your piece and leave it at that. Tell thy neighbor of his wrong doings and sins of your religion, but do not preach to them or pass judgement least you be judged for passing judgement as a sin itself in front of the holy father himself.
ldymoonphyre 1 year ago
@ldymoonphyre yawn. I am a voter - thats who I am - and when electing a politician to represent me - my family - my community... I could careless what people do in their own lives - but changing a social foundation WILL have some serious repercussions... believe it or not.
christoferL 1 year ago
I think that union (between two people) in the eyes of law and union in the eyes of faith should be seperated.
One way to do that would be to have law perceive all marriages as civil unions, and add the blessing of one's church seperately from that.
After all, isn't the biblical meaning of marriage mainly a union to start a family? Gay couples are not a man and a woman, and therefore they won't be needing a blessing for such a union anyway, for they cannot reproduce in the traditional sense.
maitnolla 1 year ago
ChristoferL,
you are a member of ONE of the 30,000 groups who call themselves "Christians". So where do get off posing as the spokesman for ALL "Christians"? There are MANY things condemned or praised in the bible which "people of faith" in our day do not believe. Google "WhatkindofGod" (one word) to see the terrible things that are attributed to him in "God's Word".
Clergy like myself who are "liberals like Christ", we view many such statements insulting to a loving God.
Rayosun 1 year ago
My question is really. Why do you care? It isn't your choice. If you weren't allowed equality you'd be angered about it too.
Homosexuality isn't a choice. It isn't your place to tell us what we are not allowed the same right to marriage with those we love in the same way and intensity that you as a heterosexual would love someone of the opposite sex.
This isn't a theocracy, this is a free society.
nomadicsky 2 years ago
Why do I care? The nations will be judged - and my silence on the issue would constitute acceptance - making me as guilty as having been a vocal supporter of it... and you say homosexuality isn't a choice - but aside from speculation I still haven't seen any research that states that homosexuality is genetic - I may be in ignorance on this however, and I remain open to seeing such research. With all this in mind - I would rather see civil unions than the defiling of the sanctity of marriage..
christoferL 2 years ago
Genetic, psychological, some combination of both.
Be it nurture or nature I can assure you sir it was not a choice for me. I'm from a very small, very christian town. I grew up spending every Sunday going to morning&night services, and also attended a christian private school. I spent many years asking the Lord for change and even spent time at a "change" ministry.
It was a long hard road for me to be able to look in the mirror and accept the person that I am today. It was no choice for me.
nomadicsky 2 years ago
That being said. I'd rather have civil unions than nothing, although history shows that in America separate but equal is far from it.
The biblical sanctity of marriage has already been breached. Nonbiblical divorces are practiced every day by Christians.
I do agree with your interpretations of scripture. Not that I believe in the bible anymore, but I can't stand to see people twist a religion into their own views.
nomadicsky 2 years ago
@christoferL Didn't you say so yourself that Civil Unions are the same thing as Marriage just under a different name. That you fell under that category. So whats the difference between you falling under that category and the "defiling of the sanctity or marriage" if you believe they are both the same just so named differently?
ldymoonphyre 1 year ago
@ldymoonphyre what are you talking about - I meant I believe civil unions are the same as gay marriage - not that I was in a civil union.
christoferL 1 year ago
I'm sorry to see you feel this way. My belief in the actions I should or should not take is not on what is approved by society.
You are ok with people being gay; but you feel morally compelled to try and force the governement to inflict specific moral codes on people discourages a belief in faith, and suggests that people's belief should be mandated.
rchodges 2 years ago
Hi rchodges: here's the thing - in America - we are supposed to speak our minds - and support what we believe is right. Thats all I am trying to do. As is the case with many issues (abortion, death penalty, war, etc) - I often get 'out voted' - but thats ok - thats democracy... with homosexuality - if the nation is a good with the marriages and such - so be it - but its my duty as a fellow american to state my feelings on it - just as those who support do... no?
christoferL 2 years ago
I totally agree that you should state your opinion. And I think YouTube is a wonderful platform for that.
My only concern here is that your opinon isn't based upon a personal belief; but rather one suggested by a religious viewpoint. If you, Chris, think that homosexuality is bad for a societal reason, then speak up!
But if your only concern with homosexuality is because of a Biblical passage, then I think it's less your feelings, and more the feelings of the author(s).
rchodges 2 years ago
I think you might be a little more at home in Iran, dear.
The Christian Taliban is attempting to redefine civil marriage as religious marriage as part of the Dominionist agenda. Enough of this right-wing pc nonsense and the Christian culture of professional victimhood.
staytunedfor 2 years ago
stay - actually - I believe its the homosexuals redefining marriage in a way that it never even considered possible - even by gays.... but as I've stated elsewhere - if gay marriage is legalized then theres not a lot we can do to fight it - such as in my home state of Massachusetts.
christoferL 2 years ago
And the idea that god is/will punish America is absurd. One can only believe this if one has no knowledge of current or historical world affairs.
Parrotguy1999 2 years ago
Your arguments are excellent reasons why christians should not be gay or engage in gay marriage. They are not, however, reasons that apply to non christians. So it seems to me that your policy should be to support gay marriage for non christians but not for christians.
Parrotguy1999 2 years ago
So I trust that your shirt is not a blend of animal and vegetable fibers, like, say, silk/cotton or some such.
'Cause if you break one law, you break 'em all. And linsey-woolsey is RIGHT OUT man. Says so in Leviticus.
You MAY have a New Testament excuse for the shrimp ou ate (it is not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean) but ALL the other rules still apply. Oh, that peach you ate in the second year the tree bore fruit? You're going to hell for that, man.
Leviticus says.
Elelki 2 years ago
Eleki - my shirt was 100% cotton - I don't eat sea food - nor peaches... and homosexuality is something spoken of in the NT as well
christoferL 2 years ago
Also, stop quoting Leviticus, because it was wrote as a book of law for the people of that time. Not for you or anyone else.
JustJustan 3 years ago
Exactly. Let us not forget all the other things that are in Leviticus and are NEVER practiced today.
Don't just pick and choose what to believe.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
Well, actually Civil Unions are not Marriages. Civil Unions are not religiously sanctified, and not everyone in America is a freaking Christian. Get over yourself, and send that message to all your buddies.
JustJustan 3 years ago
you sound retarded only because of your absolute opinion on your bible.instead of spending your time assuming you even have a clue,read a diferant book where a straight man is fat and picks his nose on camera. oops ! you already read that one.
stevenshames 3 years ago
Thanks for that comment steve - GBU
christoferL 3 years ago
Don't act like that didn't piss you off. Defend something bigger than your convictions: yourself.
PolystereneMan 3 years ago
Poly - Why would it piss me off? I can see it for what it is - lol
christoferL 3 years ago
Dude, you're basically the reason I live. I don't want anyone to hurt you. Without you, I have no one to feed my anger and push me to do great things in the name of religion and politics. Don't let someone call you fat. You're beautiful. :)
PolystereneMan 3 years ago
evangelist and preachers are all full of shit and will be beheaded by the most high for their nastiness and support of corp USA demons. You are no christian. you are full of shit. you play with lawyers and judges and have all the nasty contracts with them that guarantee you spot in hell. You are as full of shit as the rest of the social security card packing scum demon lovers upon this land. So shut the fuck up. You look gay
lawyerjudgesdestroy 3 years ago
anyone who contracts with corp USA to get married is a dumbass. anyone who looks at any social security card packing corp USA PERSON,CITIZEN,thing ,is a dumbass. you are all fools and will be truely sorry for being such dumbasses
lawyerjudgesdestroy 3 years ago
anyone who would sign a marriage contraact with corporation is a demon possessed dumbass. Homos all need to be beheaded along with all the homo child rapist lawyers and judges
lawyerjudgesdestroy 3 years ago
"though I would not be surprised if I do die over my faith one day"
yes sure, the lions are waitng Chris, they alsways have
*sigh*
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
Ashe- if not physically, then certainly they exist mentally - spiritually -
christoferL 3 years ago
How so?
Where is you persecution coming from other than critism of your beliefs that are not.. well right becasue of the human failings of your god?
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
what one man calls 'not right' another calls an 'immutable truth' - my God doesn't fail - we fail to understand - uphold - and believe (we as in u, me, and all others breathing His air)
christoferL 3 years ago
Erm you're God doesn't fail? I beg to differ, on many bibilcal grounds, to the contarary.
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
Well - lol - of course you differ - I wouldn't expect you to agree! :)
christoferL 3 years ago
Why not? If your source had some vlaidty I would, historically, and cotradiction wise it haas neither. It has nothing to do with the truth it has to do with validity.
For example, God is all seeing, but he had to send two (not one) angels down to Samamorah becasue he "Heard" about the evil there and needed conformation is but one of the earliest examples.
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
Why not? Because you don't believe in Him. What I consider validity you consider otherwise - and thats ok - I don't expect nor do I anticipate your agreement about Him. I know how you see two angels sent as a problem - but I see it as something else - something given to two angels to accomplish for His reasons - not out criticism. The way things were given to the Jews for the purpose of scripture is often scrutinized - for better or worse - but it is what it is.
christoferL 3 years ago
You're right about not Believing "IN" him in the way you believe in his, perfect nature. Whetehr or not I accept there was thie being that said he was god is another matter altotgether, even that itself is far fetched but I wont den it's possible.
But what I do belive in and see is a very human god with human frailties and human judgements. All I see is something created byt man, to appease himself, not a higher being
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
"but I see it as something else - something given to two angels to accomplish for His reasons"
To prove something he in his infinate wisdom already knew? Makes no sense whatsoever.
And God saw good in him at that moment... he didn't before? Come on. Your reasoning is convinent, nothing more
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
AShe - lets suppose - and thisis all speculation because there is no scripture to support this - but lets suppose God was testing the two angels and their loyalty - knowing what they would do - but having to go through the exercise so the angels would see themselves for what they were...
christoferL 3 years ago
becasue the scripture says he sent them down to check it out. Not to test their faith, not to excersise anything but to confirm the rumours. YOu can speculate all you like, all you've done is proven my point for me. Convienince is better than actual critism.
Yeah yeah I know the book was written by man, but in that you have to accept the very real likelyhood that your God was created by man.
As has been pointed out before "Religion is the perfect excuse for the inexcusable"
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
You see this is what I find so ironic. You have the audacity to accuse me of be so closed minded, yet you dsiplay it all so well with the same old cliche. I base my findings on the evidence not speculation and I accept the solid evidence before me and build a coherant picture. You on the other seem to create the evidence to suit your ends, and take to evidence that contradicts itself so easily and pretend it's a none issue.
I have news for you, it is an issue, and a serious one for your faith
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
On your prmise, Chris you would by defenition have oppose Athiest marrage as well.
As for not being homophobic to oppose Homosexuality, think on this for a while, another nation didn;t consider itself homophbic a while back, can you guess which one? By opposing such behavour you become a part of the socirty that hates it. In England, the BNP doesn't consider itself racist, they just want certain races to go back to where they came from.
Also I think you shoudl read up on the Corithians
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
Ashe - on my premise? not so - unless the atheist marriage is homosexual. My premise is basically the fact that our bodies are clearly designed for heterosexual relations. Being atheist alone doesn't violate that. If my opposition of homosexuality means I hate it - then so be it. It is against my Lord's design - so I don't mind being told I am a hater of it. I still don't hate the people involved in it... just hate the action of it.
christoferL 3 years ago
Unfortuantly I do not accept Marrage as rlegious instition, in fact I kck God right out of it. The state is not ordaned by God to see me marrid (read Costitution). Your God has nothing to do wirth my marrage, my divorce or extrmarial relationships. It's that simple
erog Athiest marrages are wrong. As you said before, "Marrages overeen by god" in a previous video, remember that?
Marrage, period is not relgious, it is a personal matter. All regelions lay claim to it, none can back it up
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
Well - you certainly are welcome to your opinion. I wouldn't have it any other way. The good news for you is that the world apparently agrees with you overwhelmingly - and eventually - that is exactly how marriages will be in every nation... still - I'd be a liar if I didn't stand for what I believe in - just as you would be. I am ready for the world to go secular - and ready to stand in my faith - even if it makes others hate me... its ok. This too will pass. :)
christoferL 3 years ago
is that what this is a bout? Being a martyr?
geez, you reall have a high opinion of yoursel;ves when you feel hated. The world may agree with me, but it;s a damn shame people liek you have the power over it when you should't have (read constitution and Treaty of Tripoli)\
Your beleif is just a belief, not a fact. It is homophobia, whether you like it or not, and this is why your human god, with human all to human aspects, should be wiped out of history. having an excuse to fear is dangerous
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
Where did u get martyr? what ever happens happens - though I would not be surprised if I do die over my faith one day. I don't control anything in America. In a democracy - the people shape the law - thats WHY your 'side' will end up victorious. You call me homophobic and thats ok. I just don't understand your hostility... wipe God out of history? An excuse to fear? Wow - you don't think people would hate homosexuality without God? Thats blind.
christoferL 3 years ago
We will NEVER have world peace. Religion has caused more wars and deaths than any disease or famine could ever. Keep pushing your religous bigotry on others and see where it gets you. Why is it so hard to live and let live? Not everyone shares your beliefs. The USA political and religious views are more closely aligned with countries like Iran, Iraq, and Syria...than those of our allies UK, France, Germany, or Spain. Think about that for a moment! Equal rights for EVERYONE!
neenerpuss 3 years ago
If you feed your kids BIGOTRY...they become BIGOTS!
You have no CLUE what you are talking about!
Wake up DUMB SH*T
neenerpuss 3 years ago
neen - then if raised by accepting liberals a child should be an accepting liberal - yet I was raised by an accepting liberal - guess that theory is WRONG>
christoferL 3 years ago
Oh dear... lets go piece by piece.
PREMISE #1
"Civil Unions are Same-Sex Marriage repackaged"
False. Civil Unions grant just over 200 rights... Marriage grants proximately 1100.
PREMISE #2
"From a Christian point of view there's no difference between the two."
False. Marriage is ordained by Yeshua himself... Civil Unions are ordained by the State. (render unto God what God and render unto Caesar what is Caesar's)
PREMISE #3
"Homophobia is not main reason for opposition"
False. "gay agenda"?
williamcardno 3 years ago
Premise #1 - Do you have a reference on this? Is this US, or Canadian civil unions?
Premise #2 - The essence of the two is the same in our world today.
Premise #3 - nope.
christoferL 3 years ago
I do have reference for this. US States allow for Civil Unions, check those and compare them to a marriage contract in the same state.
Once again, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's" - otherwise I expect to see you rallying against atheist marriage while you're at it if it is strictly religious.
And last but not least, my point is that anyone who believes in a gay agenda is homophobic. We can barely organize a parade once a year. :P
williamcardno 3 years ago
#1 I'll check it out - but I am against both -
#2 Thats an interesting view point - I'll have to think about that one.
#3 I don't think its homophobic to oppose homosexuality - but how one opposes it can make one homophobic. I am expressing my belief - but I am not out killing homosexuals - nor am I picketing parades, etc... all I am trying to do is uphold what God has made clear to me in so many ways.
christoferL 3 years ago
Your mother should have had an abortion..one less delusional hateful bigot in the world.
Meli24R 3 years ago
mell24R = a faceless commenter... no guts - no glory
christoferL 3 years ago
yeh- and all the germans did was vote for adolf
remeseoane 3 years ago
Sorry I did not mean to sound like you were not telling the truth I was just backing what you are saying in that you are among the people telling us what we need to hear but refuse to acknowledge it
blutmear 3 years ago
finalcall07,albertoffrance say it best, they tell people the truth that nobody else is saying this days
blutmear 3 years ago
sorry - doing my best to tell it too :)
christoferL 3 years ago
for the one who wants to know where gay can be found in the bible, the truth lies in romans 1:26-27. And the book of God the BIBLE doesn't dictate ii, it gives you the description of right and wrong and the choice on how you live your life is yours God does not follow us around with a stick saying we have to follow His word, He is a good God He gives us a choice and you have to bear the consequences of your own choices.
blutmear 3 years ago
I just sign in to see if I had you Blocked.
guess what! your not!
TheOldTrucker1 3 years ago
I don't have you Blocked so who is the real coward?
lucusTheHound 3 years ago
lucus - look - you are Orville, formerly Devil Nightmare, Preacher189, Pigpen2008 and more - You have blocked me on all your channels. You do not seek to express the truth of God - but only attack others who are trying... Why? You tell me.
christoferL 3 years ago
you are a slanderer, a liar and a cocksucker.
OrvilleSucksCock 3 years ago
you are a heartless, thoughtless, bigot.
bobthemunk 3 years ago
that was for orville.
bobthemunk 3 years ago
Can you tell me where in your Bible,I can find the word gay?or is it your way of being friends with the world?
I bet my question gets deleted!
any takers?
lucusTheHound 3 years ago
You won't find gay - or even homosexual (in decent translations) what you will find is explicit definitions of homosexuality condemned. (why would I delete your question?)
christoferL 3 years ago
if you say you won't find gay,then why do you use it?
is it because you want to be friends with the world?
lucusTheHound 3 years ago
No - its because the world is familiar with the term. A friend of the world would be in support of gay marriage.
christoferL 3 years ago
Does that mean God is (indecent) or just his words?
or do you have the decent Bible and what Bible is it?
lucusTheHound 3 years ago
decent as in quality translation - why are you trying to twist and pervert my words Orville - do u want me to block yet another account of yours?
christoferL 3 years ago
When you stand before the Lord and he ask you
questions,do you think you will be able to block him too?
lucusTheHound 3 years ago
I kneel before the Lord everyday - and would never 'block' Him - but that is irrelevant. You are not the Lord - nor are you even a representative of Him. You are a coward who hides behind multiple accounts - too afraid to love fellow believers - so insecure that you spend your time trying to belittle them.
christoferL 3 years ago
ITS IN THE BIBLE
LEVITICUS 18:22
brodieanthony 3 years ago
your book and beliefs do not have the power to dictate how others should live their lives. period.
bobthemunk 3 years ago
As is stoning children, prosititutes, not marrying a foerigner, eating shell fish, hold pig skins, wearing two clothes of linens, bastard children not being allowed into heaven, marrying the woman you raped by buying her from her father, etc, etc, etc.. oh and al in Leviticus...
Of course it's okay to break those rules as they don't apply today
And you wonder where we see the hypocrisy? No the reality is, you hate gays, pure and simple. "God" is a mere excuse
MangaGothicTheMovie 3 years ago
History teaches us, all empires fall sooner or later. Nothing to do with "God's blessing". For example, the Roman Empire fell only AFTER Christianity became the state religion. I guess God didn't like that.
SecularNATION 3 years ago
"it's our Alamo"
The Texans at the Alamo were defeated. So shall be the so called "Christians" who oppose homosexual rights. They're on the wrong side of history, and eventually their numbers will be too meager to prevail. In the future, these people will be regarded in the same way, as those who opposed civil rights for blacks in the 1950s and 60s.
SecularNATION 3 years ago
Sec - of course - exactly as the Bible says it will happen - it is happening already. Your words are kind of like a confirmation.
christoferL 3 years ago
"the fact is, God opposes it"
Not a fact. Only a matter of belief.
SecularNATION 3 years ago
Sec - according to the Bible - it is a fact, but I am pleased to see you indirectly acknowledging God is real - even if you don't believe what He told Moses.
christoferL 3 years ago
"according to the Bible"
Yes, that's the key. The God of the Bible isn't a fact. Therefore, what he supposedly says therein isn't a fact, either.
"indirectly acknowledging God is real"
Really? How so? By reminding you that your notions of what God says are faith based and not fact based?
SecularNATION 3 years ago
TO ALL CHILDREN OF SAME SEX FAMILIES: Please don't listen to these people. Your Mums and Dads love you, and they are your parents no matter what the straights say about them, and no matter what their children say to you at school. Stand proud to know that you are not from a broken home, and that you have two loving parents who are no more or less normal than anyone else; and God loves them as much as he loves anyone else. WE LOVE YOU K!
nicksum29 3 years ago
nicksum29: You sent a personal message to me this morning stating that I made your teenage daughter cry, when she read my comments. Then you ended your message by; sarcastically "Thanking me alot". It is a shame before the Creator God, that you consider same sex marriage cool with God, when in fact, in the beginning, God made them male and female, and united THEM in HIS HOLY UNION. Jesus Christ clearly identifies what GOD'S HOLY UNION is. It is YOU who have taught your daughter untruthfully....
valambiguous 3 years ago
...It does not surprise me a bit, that in this post-modern age of enlightenment, that when people speak of Scripture condemning homosexuality, echoes of grief and exasperation resounds loudly, from the haters in the age that be. Haters? yes, haters of God Word. If you are not for God, then you are against Him. Can't have it both ways. I have this question, since you have indeed failed to provide for my not even ONE scripture supporting homosexuality...
valambiguous 3 years ago
....define for me, homosexuality or homosexual. Then I want to know what is your own personal definition of the word.
valambiguous 3 years ago
You can message me personally if you would like, however I am feeling a bit ad nauseam in discussing this topic, especially, with you. Sorry.
valambiguous 3 years ago
very good video brother God bless you keep up the good work for God's kingdom and glory keep fighting the good fight of faith
archdelux 3 years ago
Edit on my earlier remark. I meant I doubt you'll find an action this country made that was made with godly principles in mind. Just greed.
AmbulanceProductions 3 years ago
This country has always been steeped in sin though. The way we treated the Indians, the way we treated the Africans, the way we treated African-Americans up until a couple of decades ago. Vietnam, The Great Depression, I mean you could just open a history book and randomly point and I doubt you would find an action of this nation that wasn't made with godly principles in mind.
AmbulanceProductions 3 years ago
Lastly, it always dangerous to mix your biblical beliefs with politics. God is neither democrat or republican; conservative or liberal - He is God. This is another great error of the evangelical church. You, or better yet - the church, have basically anointed the republican party as the party of God. It is a foolish assertion. the ideology of the republican party is no closer to God than is the ideology of the democratic party.
ttwaha 3 years ago
Furthermore, the only sin people end up in hell for is the sin of rejecting Jesus as the Christ/Messiah. John 3:17-18, states that ...he did not come to condemn the world, but to save it. he/she who doesn't believe is condemned already. So the falacy of your entire premise - through your misdirected zeal and wrongly dividing of scripture - is indicated in your failure realize that isolating a particular sin a waste of time. It is the goodness and love of God the leads men to repentance.
ttwaha 3 years ago
Dude! On the surface of the topic, I agree with the fact that God created man and woman the sole purpose of propagating his image/essence throughout the earth. Therefore, it would impossible for a homosexual to fulfill the commandment to replenish the earth. However, your logic is very skewed as it pertains to blessings and curses because you fall prey to same faulty logic that many evangelical subscribe to today. You can compare the biblical Israel to the US in any way, shape, or form.
ttwaha 3 years ago
Understand this, I don't and will not disrepect you or other christians for their heartfelt beliefs. It offends me and most if not all Gays and lesbians to be called EVIL, HELL BURNERS, etc. It's derogatory and judges me bases solely on one fact of my ongoing life. Death row inmates don't even get called that, they get last minute pardons usually from christian groups though rarely hear shouts of EVIL from the same crowd just crying sympathy.
RMA1932 3 years ago
And again if love of any shape, form etc. isn't allowed to flourish then all we really do is repeat history and become Judas like. Would you want your children to pretend to be a Doctor instead of a Lawyer because it's what you want, it's your happiness and not your children's. Similar philosophy when you think about it. BTW, loving gay couples would love to create a child out of their love yet watch as some straight couples abuse that very privledge everyday for reasons like welfare benefits.
RMA1932 3 years ago
Well we both know that would be impossible considering the generational gap. I'm not saying it doesn't exist as a symbolic book all I ponder is were "said things" added to cause such a breakdown within our society? Maybe the devil added hateful passages to defer us away from peace,love and happiness for all. If homosexuality is truly a sin then why allow our creation or continued existence? Wouldn't God's armies forbid our entry onto Earth?
RMA1932 3 years ago
But who's to say the Bible was translated correctly? We don't- God is a spiritual element existing outside our physical boundaries- Don't get me wrong I LOVE GOD! but neither one of us was their when the bible was written, or maybe we were in past lives yet don't know it. I just can't believe that with all the possibilites of creation GOD says no GAYS. God is an all loving being. At least conceptualize thoughts that the bibe may not have been written as we see it today.
RMA1932 3 years ago
I understand your point - and suggest you investigate the translation of the Bible if its something you think might be wrong. As it stands - to suggest it might be mistranslated only leaves it as a possibility. As for God saying NO GAYS - if we look at the design of the human body and remember that He wanted us to pro-create - it would seem homosexuality opposes that goal. Love is a funny thing - and we can love the wrong things - such as the example of the smoker loving the cigarette.
christoferL 3 years ago
Also, if God is so against Gays and Lesbians yet foresakes good christians then why is that most wars within every century have occurred because of some relgious dispute? Our organized religious system bickers about the bible, about whether or not Jesus died, whether or not it was John Smith and not Jesus etc. If Jesus is in fact dead and sitting next to GOD then wouln't Buddha be on the oher side balancing the equation? Jesus with Peace, Buddha with love.
RMA1932 3 years ago
RMA - you raise a great point that few will hear - but it speaks to the hypocrisy of Christians more so then an inconsistency with God. I believe we Christians should hate war. I think its a huge mistake to fall into this patriotic trap of protecting land that belongs to God anyways. As for Jesus and Buddha, Jesus is not dead sitting to the right of the Father, but living - He rose from and defeated death. As for love - God IS love, amen.
christoferL 3 years ago
Please explain how you don't judge gays and lesbians, Chris c'mon? You are- You repeat by saying that we will all burn in hell, I went to sunday school, i'm baptized, i know the bible just like other gay people we are aware without people like you repeating it like cigarette smokers choosing to smoke aware of the cancer risk and with a huge bold faced warning on the side, staring directly at us. God gaves us the right to choose also.
RMA1932 3 years ago
I don't judge them as people - I simply call their actions against what God has said out. I think if I am doing something against God its good to be called out too. I understand what you are saying - and I do sympathize - as a former smoker I can completely relate... just keep in mind - you said it - God gave us the right to choose - His way - or ours - thats the question.
christoferL 3 years ago
Question: why is that when serial murderers, rapists, child abusers, etc. all beg for God's foregiveness from Christians it's immediately granted like children blowing out birthday candles, receiving their wish instanteously and it's poof- you're forgiven although Gays are going to hell no matter what. No ifs, ands or buts we already put you on the devil's V.I.P list. To thine ownself be true- in other words, never be something you're not whether internally or externally.
RMA1932 3 years ago
If murderer, rapists,etc repents they are usually forgiven because they can't commit the offense any longer - they've repented. Gays want forgiveness while continuing in their ways... thats why there is reluctance & even refusal - but - and I mean this - it is between God and u. I don't know if u are certainly going to Hell, I just know what the Bible says on it - check out 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Believe me when I say - I pray all the time that mercy prevails and u won't go to Hell.
christoferL 3 years ago
Furthermore, civil unions is an insult like white being classified as caucasian's culture identity. White is a color just like civil unions is a business partnership not love's solidifying overall achievement of marriage. Do you realize that most gay and lesbian couples can't receive emergency medical happenings of their spouses because they aren't recognized as a spouse? Imagine if someone told you that? Imagine the love of your life dying yet you can't say goodbye? This is the issue for us.
RMA1932 3 years ago
RMA - I sympathize with you - I really do - and I don't have all the answers - but I can say this: 1) Souls last forever - marriages do not. In the next life we are not going to be married to each other according to Christ 2) If we oppose God - there are problems - such as running into roadblocks because you aren't in compliance with Him... such as the medical issue perhaps.
christoferL 3 years ago
God is the only one who can judge us. God didn't give any special person or group special privileges to pick and choose who gets judged and who doesn't. In addition, if Christians really are faith going Christians then wouldn't they shake their heads profusely yet allow our judgemental day before we enter the pearly gates? Keep in mind, soulmates didn't and don't choose their gender whether now or when their spirits are sent back to earth. Love is Love! God knows this or we would all be Stepford
RMA1932 3 years ago
God is the only judge - and I am not judging ANYONE - what I am doing is trying to say that if WE as a PEOPLE ignore His clear directives for life - WE as a PEOPLE will suffer. If a person wants to be and is gay - I am not judging them by sharing what the Bible has to say about it. ALL people fall short of the glory of God, and we should at least warn each other of the places we see ourselves falling short, no?
christoferL 3 years ago
Homosexuality is a choice according to you, right? Then @ 19 God came to me and asked me if I wanted to take the easy, non hated way (straight) or the hard path of hate (gay) and I actually said GAY just for fun and giggles??????? Hate, bigotry, judgement upon others is what corrupts our country. Do me a favor if you are a bigot, just say it, don't mask it with Bible phrases then have degoratory body language against our new President Obama. GOD DOESN'T ALLOW HATE!!
RMA1932 3 years ago
RMA - it is a choice as far as you have feelings you choose to embrace - yes. BTW - I've never been an Obama supporter - so if you saw derogatory body language, thats why. And do tell - do you understand what God wants enough to declare that God simply doesn't allow it? John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
christoferL 3 years ago
So if homosexuals don't pursue their own happiness, become straight for the sake of passages in a bible that was originally written in Hebrew, later transcribed into English, (hopefully right)- or maybe it wasn't hence the diversification within religion itself i,e Jewish, mormon, even the Catholics have somewhat of a different intrepation then wouldn't we be similar to what Judas did to Jesus? Pretending to be someone he isn't? Pretending to love someone for the sake of the commonwealth.
RMA1932 3 years ago
RMA - I didn't say homosexuals should become straight - if we are born with a preference (and I do say IF because I am not convinced that homosexuals are born that way and not affected by other environmental or social issues) - and that preference opposes the things God has proclaimed - then its our duty if we claim to love Him to resist those preferences. IF I am born with a natural lust for many women, I should resist it. If I am born with a lust for violence and murder, I should resist, etc.
christoferL 3 years ago
I think Mr. Obama being the next president will put the nail in the coffin on our blessings. Timothy is a perfect example of this. "Lovers of pleasure rather than Lovers of God" and so on an so forth.
believerintheword 3 years ago
Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone, animals are even homosexual you know; homosexuality is also not a choice.
Homosexual animals: watch?v=7RlTAyNI8WE
The second you say "The bible told me to" is the second I stopped caring what your opinion was.
And FYI, god is NOT consistent in the bible.
JamesJimRaynor 3 years ago
Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone? Really? God, I wish Cajun would re-release the medical facts vid - maybe i can get a copy of it?
I understand your mistrust of the Bible - and BTW - God is completely consistent when you understand the circumstances.
christoferL 3 years ago
Obama wins.
JamesJimRaynor 3 years ago
of COURSE Obama wins - was there ever a doubt?
christoferL 3 years ago