Little help, Please? Anybody ever run into serious Jaw/ear pain after long practice with a tenor? I've been back to pretty serious with my sax after a long layoff, and sounding good. But I never know when I'm going to have this pretty serious pain on the right side where upper jaw sort of connects with ear. It's gone by the next day, but feels pretty serious when it happens and stays for hours. It's taking the fun out of nice long, otherwise-productive playing sessions. Thoughts? Thanks!
@daraze99 Funny thing: It hasn't happened since I posted the question. At the time, it felt pretty serious and happened a couple of times, but luckily it seems to be staying away.
@pyannaguy usually it happens when beginners play with big cheeks instead of a correct embouchure. im thinking ur not a beginner so it might be that your jaws were already in bad shape and playing sax made it worse? if u have a teacher, i would ask him/her. otherwise go to the doc to check everything out. just to be sure. playing sax is all about having fun, thats the main thing. when u cant do that and have to think about different things, it takes the vibe away. good luck!
@grandtheftjay1 Thanks, Jay. I'm glad to say that it hasn't recurred for quite awhile, now. I think it's partially an awareness issue; I have a bit of a teeth-grinding issue and wear a little plastic gadget from the dentist, so I had some vulnerability, there. I just watch for any discomfort while practicing and make a subtle adjustment or two when it rarely creeps in ...and I've been fine for weeks and weeks, now. Thanks, again!
@grandtheftjay1 follow up to my last : The open lip advantages are power impact,(Works for out and Coltraine style) but of course there are pay offs. The loose omb moving bottom jaw approach has one great advantage on the breath accents playing at speed.Hey depends what your into right.Come down a touch on the reed for a short while may help. If your on wide lays then you do need to keep up on it.Done it my self shown up at gig driven hard without pre workout only to suffer
@pyannaguy :yeah man I can help you out on that one.The pain your talking about connect jaw to ear,very common particularly if not blowing regularly.It usually manifests itself with blowers that play loose ombouc in otherwords bottom lip otver teeth and move bottom jaw for dynamicas adjustments etc.The other way to blow is mainly off one dynamic power with bottom lip open relying on cycle movement etc for dynamical impact.
@sopwithcamels266 Thanks! I've had better luck with it all, although as luck would have it, I have to skip a couple of days of practice because I didn't want to fly my horn and had to travel. But, you're right - it was about weakness, generally. I worked my way through it, though - Thanks, again!
I am taking lessons from Tracy Knoop who took lessons from Bergonzi. And I am learning so much. I have been playing for 3 years, but now I have to retrain my embouchure.
I think I'm in love with You Tube for giving me a gift of a teacher like this in the comfort of my own home! I feel so lucky and privileged. Thank you Jerry Bergonzi, I am only a beginner (at the age of 51), but I feel so inspired, and I am learning so much.
I wish there was a tv series about learning to play a musical instrument. Jerry would be the mc. Remember Leonard Bernstein's shows about classical music.
it really bothers me that he puffs his cheeks. it just looks weird but whatever
magicmaninaction 10 months ago
@magicmaninaction Why don't you tell him...?
boxing1000 8 months ago
@magicmaninaction Yeah, he's probably just not very good. I think he would be interested to get a lesson from you.
Bebopopotamus 4 months ago
@magicmaninaction
Stan Getz puffed his cheeks out as well. Just personal playing style.
JazzOnTheMoon 3 months ago
Little help, Please? Anybody ever run into serious Jaw/ear pain after long practice with a tenor? I've been back to pretty serious with my sax after a long layoff, and sounding good. But I never know when I'm going to have this pretty serious pain on the right side where upper jaw sort of connects with ear. It's gone by the next day, but feels pretty serious when it happens and stays for hours. It's taking the fun out of nice long, otherwise-productive playing sessions. Thoughts? Thanks!
pyannaguy 1 year ago
@pyannaguy Uhm, i thats normal at all, i've never had that and nobody i know ever had that...Maybe embouchure problem?
daraze99 1 year ago
@daraze99 Funny thing: It hasn't happened since I posted the question. At the time, it felt pretty serious and happened a couple of times, but luckily it seems to be staying away.
Thanks for getting back to me, though.
pyannaguy 1 year ago
@pyannaguy usually it happens when beginners play with big cheeks instead of a correct embouchure. im thinking ur not a beginner so it might be that your jaws were already in bad shape and playing sax made it worse? if u have a teacher, i would ask him/her. otherwise go to the doc to check everything out. just to be sure. playing sax is all about having fun, thats the main thing. when u cant do that and have to think about different things, it takes the vibe away. good luck!
grandtheftjay1 1 year ago
@grandtheftjay1 Thanks, Jay. I'm glad to say that it hasn't recurred for quite awhile, now. I think it's partially an awareness issue; I have a bit of a teeth-grinding issue and wear a little plastic gadget from the dentist, so I had some vulnerability, there. I just watch for any discomfort while practicing and make a subtle adjustment or two when it rarely creeps in ...and I've been fine for weeks and weeks, now. Thanks, again!
pyannaguy 1 year ago
@grandtheftjay1 follow up to my last : The open lip advantages are power impact,(Works for out and Coltraine style) but of course there are pay offs. The loose omb moving bottom jaw approach has one great advantage on the breath accents playing at speed.Hey depends what your into right.Come down a touch on the reed for a short while may help. If your on wide lays then you do need to keep up on it.Done it my self shown up at gig driven hard without pre workout only to suffer
sopwithcamels266 1 year ago
@pyannaguy :yeah man I can help you out on that one.The pain your talking about connect jaw to ear,very common particularly if not blowing regularly.It usually manifests itself with blowers that play loose ombouc in otherwords bottom lip otver teeth and move bottom jaw for dynamicas adjustments etc.The other way to blow is mainly off one dynamic power with bottom lip open relying on cycle movement etc for dynamical impact.
sopwithcamels266 1 year ago
@sopwithcamels266 Thanks! I've had better luck with it all, although as luck would have it, I have to skip a couple of days of practice because I didn't want to fly my horn and had to travel. But, you're right - it was about weakness, generally. I worked my way through it, though - Thanks, again!
pyannaguy 1 year ago
jerry rocks
mitjazz 1 year ago
god dammit missread the title
Wolverine51324 1 year ago
I am taking lessons from Tracy Knoop who took lessons from Bergonzi. And I am learning so much. I have been playing for 3 years, but now I have to retrain my embouchure.
cameron935 1 year ago
I think I'm in love with You Tube for giving me a gift of a teacher like this in the comfort of my own home! I feel so lucky and privileged. Thank you Jerry Bergonzi, I am only a beginner (at the age of 51), but I feel so inspired, and I am learning so much.
Kazberhaf 1 year ago
It's "Jerry's World"... We all just live in it.
ffgiantsteps 2 years ago
I wish there was a tv series about learning to play a musical instrument. Jerry would be the mc. Remember Leonard Bernstein's shows about classical music.
missionimprovisation 2 years ago
@missionimprovisation the omnibus? yeah there should be one for jazz too
DBJawsh 1 year ago
the best!!!!!!!!!!!
MarcosPessoa 2 years ago
i meant to say i play on a seris 3 and it looked like 1
saxman8666 2 years ago
series III's dont hav a pearl front f
CTravaglini 2 years ago
he is playing on a selmer seris 2 or 3
saxman8666 2 years ago
Reference 36.
Saxyman14 2 years ago
i got a seris 3
saxman8666 2 years ago
Ok, but we aren't talking about you. We're talking about Jerry, who plays a Reference 36.
Saxyman14 2 years ago