British English was not standardized until very recently. Among the educated classes in the early modern era spelling was not very important. If you read many early works in English in their original form the spelling of many words vary. American English is not a bastardization of British English it was just a variant that caught on in the colonies and was standardized through the last two centuries.
For a history and comparative study of American and British English, I refer you to the book THE STORIES OF ENGLISH by Dr. David Crystal, the consultant for pronunciation and language at the UK's rebuilt Globe Theatre. Dr. Crystal has found that American English retains many usages and pronunciations that UK English rejects (but that belonged to 17th-century English, the common ancestor of present-day UK and American English). So the UK,, far more than the US, has "bastardized" our langauge.
I do want to argue one point, though. I don't think the distinction between cursive and print handwriting is synonymous with the distinction between good and bad handwriting. Print that is good-looking and neatly written can in my opinion be better than a messily-written cursive. Of course, a neat cursive is better than a sloppy print, but that's exactly my point. It goes both ways.
This is an interesting debate and has been raging in Trinidad for a long time. Do we Trinidadians speak "Broken English?" I prefer to say that I speak "Proper Trinidadian English." I hate to be chastized by people (especially the older folks) for speaking in my mother tongue. I can speak and write Standard English just as well as anyone, but sometimes I prefer to say things in my vernacular- to capitulate to Standard English would be to lose coloUrfulness and meaning in many situations.
My grandfather was from Barbados(lived in Trinidad most of his life) and anytime he heard me speaking in the Trini dialect he would say, "You're going to start writing the way you speak." Although it has never happened to me, I've seen others do it.
LoL at "coloUrfulness". Americans are always correcting me when I write in Standard English.They fail to realise that they modified the language just as we did in Trinidad & Tobago.Technically, American English is also a dialect of Standard English.
As soon as I heard your voice, I was going to write "Big up to the Trini." But, I listened and I heard of your distate for slang, so instead I'll say; "Acknowledgement, support and encouragement to all of the Trinidadians residing away from home. Make us proud!"
I wouldn't say I have a distaste for slang. There's just a time and place for it, and this is what many people don't understand. I actually love slang. It's creative and a lot more personal.
I agree with you fully. People don't realise how idiotic they sound! It annoys me that they choose not to use good grammar. I, myself, am always questioning if I am using good grammar, and usually am.
I made up my own saying, I'm not sure if someone before me has come up with it, but here goes: "With good grammar, comes easy understanding"
well if i were Britain I'd probably use British English. and English doesn't make any sense anyway, its muddled with lots of other languages. and likely it's accepted because Britain attacked most of the world. dude i gotta say this will just alienate your viewers.
Ah, so your displaying our white President as someone who can't write or speak. By your own argument, that makes you a racist. What a hypocrite! Your done. It often happens that the biggest whiner is the biggest hater. That means you in case you didn't catch it the first time.
Focus! I know you're smarter than this. You cry because you think someone has taken a poke at Obama, yet you liberally make sport of Bush in the must vulgar way. It's a double standard that makes you look the fool.
I don't like arguing, but that was a bush quote, to demonstrate his idiocy. Intelligence is not defined or motivated by race, but it happens that bush was an idiot, and white, these things are unconnected.
Perhaps I'm wrong about taking it easy online. It just feels like it saves a little time and as long as the point gets across, I'm fine. I may be doing others an injustice though. But on youtube I feel no one really takes anyone seriously most of the time. I'm more interested in content myself. I know I take it easy often so I never judge those that may not actually know better. Picking at someone's improper use of a language can sometimes be a way just to elude to the meaning of the comment.
I have to agree with Dream regarding at times of importance. But I feel as long as you understand when your wrong, then it's not as big of a deal. I recognize when I'm doing wrong often. As for the the cursive writing, I have met people that told me that they only knew how to write in cursive. Oddly enough, I find it a bit hard to write in print now sometimes because I focused a lot on cursive as a child. I always end up puting loops onto certain letters when I try to write in print.
Oh man I'm terrible. I know better but for my lack of patience, I tend to use slang or due to the long videos I remove punctuation, proper grammar, etc. I have nothign against ebonics. While it may be a form of "basterdized english" It does described specifics of black culture that I can relate to growing up. Spanish, French, Italian are all vulgar latin's, which is nothing more than choped up Latin. And those are accepted.
I have to agree with you I don't think I've ever met anyone my age who can write properly and I have the habit of correcting my friends constantly. My first year in high school my English and I had a lot of problems because I was constantly spelling words the British way and she would say it wrong and I'd say it's just different not incorrect, she eventually let it go.
Thanks.This one was partly influenced by your video.I forgot to post it as a response
My grandfather used to tell us to stop speaking in Trinidadian dialect when we were younger. He always said "You'll start writing the way you speak". Although it never happened to me, I've seen it happen on many occasions to people around me.
Doctors don't form letters. It's just a series of loops. I'm amazed that pharmacists could interpret it so easily. I'm also scared they may give me the wrong drugs. LoL.
English is a bastardize Language period lol.Compared to older languages English system is backwards but, you are right we must have good penmanship and grammer,regardless of Language.
British English was not standardized until very recently. Among the educated classes in the early modern era spelling was not very important. If you read many early works in English in their original form the spelling of many words vary. American English is not a bastardization of British English it was just a variant that caught on in the colonies and was standardized through the last two centuries.
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
For a history and comparative study of American and British English, I refer you to the book THE STORIES OF ENGLISH by Dr. David Crystal, the consultant for pronunciation and language at the UK's rebuilt Globe Theatre. Dr. Crystal has found that American English retains many usages and pronunciations that UK English rejects (but that belonged to 17th-century English, the common ancestor of present-day UK and American English). So the UK,, far more than the US, has "bastardized" our langauge.
KateGladstone 2 years ago
You make a lot of good points here. Good job!
I do want to argue one point, though. I don't think the distinction between cursive and print handwriting is synonymous with the distinction between good and bad handwriting. Print that is good-looking and neatly written can in my opinion be better than a messily-written cursive. Of course, a neat cursive is better than a sloppy print, but that's exactly my point. It goes both ways.
SirVoranam 2 years ago
I have excellent speaking skills, but my penmanship is TERRIBLE. I think it's because of Dyslexia, though. Dyslexia messes your penmanship.
o_o;
Oooh, so realized is spelled with a z. Shoot, I always spelled it with and s.
AntiGraduate 2 years ago
This is an interesting debate and has been raging in Trinidad for a long time. Do we Trinidadians speak "Broken English?" I prefer to say that I speak "Proper Trinidadian English." I hate to be chastized by people (especially the older folks) for speaking in my mother tongue. I can speak and write Standard English just as well as anyone, but sometimes I prefer to say things in my vernacular- to capitulate to Standard English would be to lose coloUrfulness and meaning in many situations.
triniguy999 2 years ago
My grandfather was from Barbados(lived in Trinidad most of his life) and anytime he heard me speaking in the Trini dialect he would say, "You're going to start writing the way you speak." Although it has never happened to me, I've seen others do it.
LoL at "coloUrfulness". Americans are always correcting me when I write in Standard English.They fail to realise that they modified the language just as we did in Trinidad & Tobago.Technically, American English is also a dialect of Standard English.
TheDreamReborn 2 years ago
As soon as I heard your voice, I was going to write "Big up to the Trini." But, I listened and I heard of your distate for slang, so instead I'll say; "Acknowledgement, support and encouragement to all of the Trinidadians residing away from home. Make us proud!"
triniguy999 2 years ago
I wouldn't say I have a distaste for slang. There's just a time and place for it, and this is what many people don't understand. I actually love slang. It's creative and a lot more personal.
TheDreamReborn 2 years ago
THE DREAM REBORN:
They certainly produce a higher calibre of idiot in the West Indies.
MrsThatcher74 2 years ago
Lol, "I has a hat". Too funny.
poklar 2 years ago
I just stumbled across your videos tonight. They are interesting; but you seem to generalize & stereotype people/races/situations, etc.
Open your mind up a little bit... and be amazed. :-)
marjore 2 years ago
Oh rly!?!?!?!?!?
I rofl at your video
This is my typing and proper grammer.
spungii117 2 years ago
"... cursive is hard to write..."
Really? News to me. I hate print!
Efferts 2 years ago
I agree with you fully. People don't realise how idiotic they sound! It annoys me that they choose not to use good grammar. I, myself, am always questioning if I am using good grammar, and usually am.
I made up my own saying, I'm not sure if someone before me has come up with it, but here goes: "With good grammar, comes easy understanding"
iheartyousquids 2 years ago
well if i were Britain I'd probably use British English. and English doesn't make any sense anyway, its muddled with lots of other languages. and likely it's accepted because Britain attacked most of the world. dude i gotta say this will just alienate your viewers.
ishmiel14 2 years ago
After posting this garbage, I'm surprised you have the balls to whine about the Pelosi/chimp cartoon.
RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
Ah, so your displaying our white President as someone who can't write or speak. By your own argument, that makes you a racist. What a hypocrite! Your done. It often happens that the biggest whiner is the biggest hater. That means you in case you didn't catch it the first time.
RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
...but it's true.
TheDreamReborn 2 years ago
Focus! I know you're smarter than this. You cry because you think someone has taken a poke at Obama, yet you liberally make sport of Bush in the must vulgar way. It's a double standard that makes you look the fool.
RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
Bush is unintelligent. Case closed.
SecularEarth 2 years ago
I don't like arguing, but that was a bush quote, to demonstrate his idiocy. Intelligence is not defined or motivated by race, but it happens that bush was an idiot, and white, these things are unconnected.
Quick response though, thank you.
SecularEarth 2 years ago
Also, clearly your not much of a patriotic american, not supporting free speech n' all.
SecularEarth 2 years ago
I'll listen to your 'arguments' when you start actually debating and not just insulting.
SecularEarth 2 years ago
Be it a bastardization or a variation, if applying for a job in America, would you use "color" or "colour"?
TruthSerum101 3 years ago
Interesting. I would most likely go with color just to be safe.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
what a great topic ! ...
bebop54 3 years ago
Great video and very informative. I'm going to take alot from this video, considering I'm currently looking for a job.
Southwesttwo 3 years ago
Perhaps I'm wrong about taking it easy online. It just feels like it saves a little time and as long as the point gets across, I'm fine. I may be doing others an injustice though. But on youtube I feel no one really takes anyone seriously most of the time. I'm more interested in content myself. I know I take it easy often so I never judge those that may not actually know better. Picking at someone's improper use of a language can sometimes be a way just to elude to the meaning of the comment.
wrangler34 3 years ago
I have to agree with Dream regarding at times of importance. But I feel as long as you understand when your wrong, then it's not as big of a deal. I recognize when I'm doing wrong often. As for the the cursive writing, I have met people that told me that they only knew how to write in cursive. Oddly enough, I find it a bit hard to write in print now sometimes because I focused a lot on cursive as a child. I always end up puting loops onto certain letters when I try to write in print.
wrangler34 3 years ago
Oh man I'm terrible. I know better but for my lack of patience, I tend to use slang or due to the long videos I remove punctuation, proper grammar, etc. I have nothign against ebonics. While it may be a form of "basterdized english" It does described specifics of black culture that I can relate to growing up. Spanish, French, Italian are all vulgar latin's, which is nothing more than choped up Latin. And those are accepted.
wrangler34 3 years ago
I have to agree with you I don't think I've ever met anyone my age who can write properly and I have the habit of correcting my friends constantly. My first year in high school my English and I had a lot of problems because I was constantly spelling words the British way and she would say it wrong and I'd say it's just different not incorrect, she eventually let it go.
yans21 3 years ago
You've been coming up with great topics.!
- I have told my daughter to stop typing in cyber codes, it might show up on her job application. ( U, ur, your,you're)
Break that habit!
However,I'm very lazy when it comes to Internet chat, youtube, and then some. I will typo my heart out. ( Not on purpose) I'm just not into it.
-Penmanship....Doctors have the worse. So should we judge by " Intelligence" according to penmanship?
Sahbisun 3 years ago 2
Thanks.This one was partly influenced by your video.I forgot to post it as a response
My grandfather used to tell us to stop speaking in Trinidadian dialect when we were younger. He always said "You'll start writing the way you speak". Although it never happened to me, I've seen it happen on many occasions to people around me.
Doctors don't form letters. It's just a series of loops. I'm amazed that pharmacists could interpret it so easily. I'm also scared they may give me the wrong drugs. LoL.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
"I forgot to post it as a response"
What you forgot was end punctuation. Perhaps Bush can tutor you.
RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
English is a bastardize Language period lol.Compared to older languages English system is backwards but, you are right we must have good penmanship and grammer,regardless of Language.
philanati 3 years ago
Ok that is true but, what about applying Online.What do they look for in that?
philanati 3 years ago
I assume grammar skills.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
damn, im first.. wanted to be last.
BrandonKeatingSr 3 years ago
Wow, This uploaded faster than I though. LoL.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago