Sami Zaatari VS Keith Thompson Debate: Is Christianity a religion of peace? 5/7

[MrKillacrash]

sami keeps saying that keith is being insulting is he hearing himself cause i can count on 1 hand your keiths insults however samis insults i cant count with a abacus... kinda funny to me how he keeps going back to the romans however the romans are the people who killed christ so how does that factor in???what sami is doing is trying to say that 1 bad christian = all of us are bad and thats simply not true.. sami i want to debate you and you can have all the lame debate officers u want....

[n5roor]

Hello, I am a Muslim, and I agree that both Islam and Christianity are religions of peace. (:

[Shadowlooker12]

Anything he does or his people under him defines Christianity? that's illogical because Constantine did not create Christianity he only converted to it for whatever reasons. By that logic Sami has,if you and your friends make a group to proclaim peace and non violence and then years later someone joins this group and kills someone, your groups origin is not of peace, again, not logical. By the time Constantine converted to Christianity, direct followers of Jesus were already deceased.

[Shadowlooker12]

Also Constantine ruled 25 July 306 AD – 29 October 312 AD and so on, for 30 years and 301 days, Jesus died 30–36 AD/CE so somewhere around that time Sami is claiming they preached peace because of Christianities small number and non-power. Constantine converted to Christianity and issued the Edict of Milan in 313, which proclaimed religious tolerance of all religions throughout the empire, ALL religion tolerance. Is Sami proclaiming that since Constantine converted to Christianity that>>>

[Shadowlooker12]

To validate his claim anyway.He acts as if Christianity went off and on in the world of power and every time they were "rising" they preached peace and when in power they started killing.He needs to make another point already,and I feel he failed a bit,he could have tried another approach but I guess he's bent on this "pace to murder" aspect in conjunction with the power of WHOMEVER claims to be Christian and kills.I would like to hear them debate Islam, Keith seems to have done his Homework.

[Shadowlooker12]

Sami even says "when your in power the killing stars, when your not PEACE PEACE" Well, I'm still interested in who he is referring to, if the followers of Jesus did not take over the church and start killing people, those actions are irrelevant, many religions have been used or adopted by kingdoms or rulers to benefit their rule, NOT for it's biblical properties again, that is a fact, and also Christianity did not come into power majorly often enough to prove that it go's from Peace to killing>>

[Shadowlooker12]

hand, and use actual hysterical siting and references to explain his format of debating. You can't just say Jesus preached peace because he had a low number of Christians, that' with him, with no historical or biblical referring not how you debate or even speak on a topic. It's like saying "This COULD have been the reason, and I'm guessing at it" not proving the possibility of it. It's like reporting hearsay or speculation on the news, you just don't do that if your an honest man. Facts only.

[Shadowlooker12]

I also find it funny that, Christianity although spread around the world, has no big institutions, all the big institutions are not regular Christianity that follow the Bible down to the tee that Jesus spoke of, it's always Roman Catholic(Vatican) Jehovah witness, Mormon, Evangelist, Baptist, or Gnostic etc, and variation of what people call true Christianity with other depictions of someone else own inserted material. Sami's claims are kinda off, he needs to see who was in the church before>>

[Shadowlooker12]

And also, when Jesus had been Crucified, we have documented evidence and accounts of people who disagreed with who he was and his divinity as well as try to dismiss the possibility of what he stood for and ridicule his followers. During this that time people were still being persecuted and rejected who followed him. Is Sami making the claim that the Church (BEFORE ADOPTING CHRISTIANITY) were Christians and killed "heretics" which were also other Christians? That's not logical.

[Shadowlooker12]

Jesus died, and then his followers went about and got into power and killed people and that IF they did it was relative to the year, as if it was a quick process. When the Church gained power, they were not only using Christianity, even Roman Catholics have used war, killing etc to control sway decision and gain a following, what is he saying here? Jesus's apostles did not go and take over the Church, rise to power and start killing, so it is an irrelevant point. He's linking others to them.

[Shadowlooker12]

"During the lifetime of Jesus and the apostles they were not in power so they taught peace" There is no fact of this again, they taught peace during the time because they did, there's no evidence they taught just because they were no in power or "small in number" that is just his own claim "But when the church came in power they started killing everyone" Why is he making it sound like these are the same individuals, the church adopting Christianity took a long time, he makes it sound as if>>

[Shadowlooker12]

And Sami is lying about the Armageddon scenario, because the bible does mention when the end times arrive, after rapture there will be people and leadership that rises up against God and builds an army against him, it does not say to go around slaying people who disagree with God, it mentions the individuals who rise up against God, you can go read the bible and see for yourself. No where does it say to kill regular people in disagreement with God that I've seen or heard there.

[Shadowlooker12]

Depicted in the bible as a Hero or anything for doing what he did, so what is the point of bringing that up. The religion is founded on the building blocks of it's Creator/leader/prophet those who are claimed to be chosen men of it, and if the actions are already refuted, why bring it up, NOT the actions of anyone claiming to be it and murders. Example, the man that was stabbed that Jesus healed, he could have NOT healed him, and allowed his disciple to kill the man, but did not.He says don't.

[Shadowlooker12]

That doesn't mean he is Christian, he had his own views before hand, and also, if anyone can just claim a religion and use it, that means all religions are not peaceful, because someone from somewhere in every religion has USED it for whatever means, and you can say Muslim is not peaceful as well, you must apply the same logic to all things. Just as a man saying he;s Muslim and bombs a hospital what does that mean? Constantine was not a saint nor did everyone agree with his actions, NOR

[Shadowlooker12]

Constantine wen "Becoming Christian" had to satisfy his rule because he had both Christian and Pegan religions under his rule, he deliberately mixed paganism with Christianity to satisfy his Pegan individuals, THIS is a historical fact and scholars mention this. He's using assertion and speculation to try to prove his point,those who agree with him do you people not understand what he's stating here? Just because Constantine claimed Christianity and then killed people means what?

[Shadowlooker12]

but Sami is not using facts not historical points here, he's using speculation, you can speculate this is why Jesus tells his followers to be peaceful, but it's not factual, you must use historical reference or bible reference to why Jesus told them to be peaceful or why when Christianity was "in power" they killed people. And then his points on Constantine makes no sense as well, Constantine was not always Christian and had his own views before hand of Christianity.

[axe414]

Wow i don'T think Sami is a muslim because The Quran speaks of Jesus as a prophet. Look all what he is saying about Jesus now! loll Its crazy!

[prince4king7]

Stupid sami skipped the question again in this part and was unable to answer, the reason being, he cannot answer it!

[prince4king7]

the reason sami zatri presents the case of Christians not being in power and staying peaceful and kill all when they have power is cuz this is wot exactly muhammed did!

and again! sami calls Br. Keith disrespectful, but call him a small devil!!!!! do u call this respect sami!!!! shame on u!

[prince4king7]

sami zatri, show me where is it stated explicitly in the New Testament ," TILL YOU DON'T HAVE POWER, STAY PEACEFUL, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE POWER, KILL ALL OTHERS".

if you cannot show me this, then keep ur mouth shut and keep ur so-called theories to urself!

[prince4king7]

Sami's case is based on assertions, assertions and suppositions. nothing to back him out!

[GSADVANCETV]

For the record, Muhammad killed a whole bunch of people to spread his false demonic doctrine, he took a bunch of slaves, and he lusted after pre-teen girls. When really examined, Muhammad knew very little of tanach or b'rit Chadashah. The irony is, his theology was more in response to the catholic church. It really is too bad he couldnt read. lol.

[outbackcafe]

What a arrogant prick! this muslim retrard is!! by his stupid logic about how "chrisstians are peacefull only because "they dont have the numbers" well America, Britain, Australia , New Zealand, Canada etc could very easilly wipe out this filthy evil islamic religion! So his BS numbers reasononing is typical muslim babble

[saqib9876]

@outbackcafe

yes dats y america hv to make lies about nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

we are still waiting for dese weapons?

btw if u luk at d news dey stil dnt hv control over iraq? dese filthy islamic religion arent so easy to wipe out.learn b4 u speak

[exposemyfoes]

@outbackcafe america cant even win in afghanistan and iraq so the only thing u can wipe out is your ass

[darkodamir]

Sami is really uneducated!

[johnpolanco18]

wow!! Sami is so bad at debating.. Keith Thompson needs more experience but hes doing great against Sami.. I tought Sami did very good against James White, but on this debate he is so so so bad and keeps repeating something Keith already refuted!!?!?!?!?! Good Job Keith..

[prince4king7]

@johnpolanco18 he did the same thing in a debate with Dr. Nabil Qureshi and clearly shows himself to b ignorant and stupid! and the main reason he did this cuz he has got no other way to SAVE himself!

[MaMiKiKeYu]

sami is totally lost in this debate adn made a lot of non-sense..-_-" seriously, he doesn't need to do this..

[IslamAyaat]

@MaMiKiKeYu atleast he stayed on topic.

[ThingsThatVexMe]

This Osama "Eddy Monster" guy has no points. He gets off his thoughts because he knows Keith is right. Christianity was founded on peace. People later distorted Jesus's teaching and did commit atrocities. But that is not the teachings of the Christ. Eddy Monster is not a good debater. You can tell it in his voice, but the Muslim moderators were completely on his side. The arrogance of these guys is so funny, but Keith just spoke clearly and accurately. This demonstrates how different Muslims R.

[enmity666]

what does it mean when they get dotted?

[goodmaxgood]

@enmity666 its on program called paltalk and when you red doted it means the admin or the moderator of the chat room stops you from using the mic and mute you until he or she undotted.

[havock89]

The christians were in power during the high middle ages, they did not go on a rampage. If they did and subjigated all peoples under christianity as, for example, the muslims did in the first age of muslim power, we would not have had the difficult job in the middle east now. Oviously they did not attack wantonly as sami discribes, and we see what religions behave like when they do ... we have islam as the bad example that he portrays about christianity.

What a sham.

[AIG4ever]

what about the crusades and conquering america slaveing the afrcains.

[havock89]

The crusades were a war of defence against islamic conquest.

The 1st Crusade was launched in 1096. Prior to that, Muslims conquered Syria 635, Palestine 638, Persia? 642, Eqypt 642, North Africa 642-698, Kabul 711, the Indus region/Samarkand/Spain 712, Toulouse 721, Kyrgyzstan 751, Armenia 1071. Muslim expansion into Europe was only stopped at Tours in 732 and the gates of Vienna 1683

Saying the crusades were wrong is like saying fighting the nazis was wrong in WWII.

[AIG4ever]

so you are saying the crisades are good?

Do you k now how many inocent people died?!

And what about conquerinh the americas was that self defense

And you are the first christain to say crusades was self defense

[havock89]

The total amount of deaths from 5 crusades over 150 years was 2 million.

Many christians are bombarded with accusations they are not geared up to respnd to, I have studied this period of history. Alexis I begged Pope Urban II for aid as the Sejuk Turks beseiged his city. To say that Urban was wrong to attack the muslim hordes is like saying the allied forces were wrong to attack Hilters Axis in WWII.

WWII Holocaust 6 million

WWII total deathtole 20 million.

No comparison.

[AIG4ever]

and another thing when i watch videos about the crusades it says yall invaded because you wanted jersulam  back

[havock89]

Yes Jerusalem had been conquered by islamic forces some time before. They had completely destroyed all military forces in syria and had captured and subjigated Syria entirily. The siege of Jerusalem lasted four months after which the city agreed to surrender on April 647AD. Starvation is a worse death than one by the sword. As a goal of the crusades they wanted to liberate small city states leading to Jerusalem, but this was not the primary goal, and was hardly unprovoked.

[ThingsThatVexMe]

@ havock89: I loved how you put AIG4ever down with facts. You are right. Many Christians do not know many of the facts. They need to learn the History.

[havock89]

Thankyou. Most muslim apologists rely on our welcoming nature, and hit out with undeserved spite and half-truths. All christians can no longer afford soft virtues of kindness and gentleness at the expense of Prudence and Justice. There is a right response to islamic apologists, we need to educate ourselves and fight back or they will have a clean run at cultural insurrection and ultiamte conquest.

Look at lebannon & algeria. See what is happening in denmark & france!

[KentucKorean]

wow whatever happened to "no personal remarks" and Sami is saying Keith is like a little "devil" whispering in his ear.

[havock89]

Yes double standards again from the muslim apologists.

[skateriand2]

This debate is dumb..it's two guys arguing about the same statements for 2 hours..

[cyberphant0m]

Also, as to the intent of writing the scriptures. It is OBVIOUS that the intent was to disseminate to the entire world, as Keith previously stated.

[cyberphant0m]

"I'd be ashamed if this was my representative"

Praise God that we have people as well versed in The Holy Bible as Keith is, to expose the lies.

I think everyone could see how this debate would go from the very first video in the series. The moderator is CLEARLY taking Sami's side, liberally dotting Keith...

[TotalWarJunkie]

The next thing Sami should debate is what he bases his central point upon. That once Christians "got into power" they went back to killing. The issue then is WHEN was the catholic church infiltrated. Because when you peel that back you find that the violence came from Lucifer, just as it always has. But Sami just glosses over HUGE issues, and says Christians "get into power". It works only if you equate Christians to Lucifer.

[insanezenmistress]

just a thought but in the times of the Judges god kept liberateing his people useing small numbers, even one or two. But i have a gut feeling ( no research yet) but it seems that god has told the Jews in theOt form time to time, to bide their time paitiently untill their numbers grew because god did have the promise to abraham to uphold.

but i admit i am flying off the cuff here and reliying on someone versed in the torah (read: a jew) to confirm or deny my interpretation.

[Ramohog]

God is love and a righteous judge of evil. When the Hebrew people went into Canaan they had to kill the people, because the society was so corrupted, with idolatry, temple prostitution, child sacrifices, and very bad hygene.

Resulting the average age of the Canaanites to be 32. God had to interfere to stop this downfall of society, as He will do again at the end of this age.

To question God's righteous judgement and His Word, will brings you under the same condemnation.

[Trevor1654]

you are right, but did hear the theories that the canaanties where an evil race of gaints, sounds foolish but, they are facts that support these theories

[Ramohog]

Does not sound foolish at all, because it is biblical. They were not all giants, but their influence was very strong on the rest of the population. Like the corporate giants nowadays. They need to be kicked out as well.

[JP12akacoil]

Constantine was not a Christian!! He was Demonic Pagan Roman who created a=the false religion called "Roman Catholicism" which was used for only political means and to kill true Christians and Jews. Sami has put his foot in his mouth for the whole entire debate. He is a historical and biblical illiterate fool.

[havock89]

Thats rubbish about Constantine.

[JP12akacoil]

How is it rubbish?

[havock89]

Oh man, where do I even start! You are warped beyond description. Go read Eusebius: History of the Early Church. Dont base your knowledge of the faith on pseudo-history of chinese whispers of hateful polemics.

[JP12akacoil]

What? Make a counter argument instead, because your insults aren't arguing anything.

[havock89]

Dude, if I am right your knowledge of history IS warped, and IS a pseudo-history of hateful polemics.

Read the damn book like I have and find out the real history of the early church.

Thankyou.

[JP12akacoil]

First and foremost I'm taking a college course on early christian history and the Medieval period. Why don't you Read G.E.M. de Ste. Croix, Why Were the Early Christian Persecuted? Read Foxe's Book of Martyrs, Read William (Billy) Parker's "THE BLOODY TRAIL OF ROMANISM," Jack Chicks "Smoke Screens," "The Godfather," and "The Prophet." Read Tacitus, Josephus, and Suetonius, Lucian, other ancient historians that give a true account of early Christianity. Sounds like your mad because Sami lost.

[havock89]

No, why would you say I am sad because the mulsim guy lost?

I have read most of these people, and more. Your claim that Constantine created Roman Catholicism is a Polemic lie used to prop up reformation theology. Do you know how many protestants are learning the truth and are coming back to the universal communion of the church? Huge numbers.

I always want christians to give a good account of themselves for our Lord Jesus Christ, I dont know where you got that insane idea from!

lol.

[Rob187ok]

Ha,,what foolishness,,,The "Roman Church" killed the true Christians who wouldn't go along with the corrupt Roman form of (so called) Christianity.. The Roman church actually killed millions of Christians. So,,,the violent Christians that sami talks about were Antichristians. Revalations shows up the paganised Church for the Whore it is.

[GompCelticPL]

Keith do yourself a favour and don't whisper next time you meet this man xP

[advil0069]

lol

[CreationistsWON]

Extra seconds, HAhahhaHAHh, didn't do any good with it !! HAhahAA !!!!!!!!!! Keith, don't smoke him that hard, i'm feeling sorry for him LOL

[mark727111]

he called my friend a loser???? who cares win the debate and act like an adult! sami wants to cry and make you look stupid so just stay on topic and win no matter how he wants to debate you should be able to win! so agree to his rules and beat him anyway!

[amanda366]

What about when Jesus had 5000 men (thats not includeing the women and children) or over, follow him so earnestly they didnt eat, for so long Jesus worryed that if they left without eating they would faint! Surely 5000 is a decent army?

Jesus had many people follow him at certain points. And Jesus told non of them to fight, what on earth is he talking about.

[ThunderHenshin32]

@ 5:21, i realized sami, was trying to say that our Lord Jesus Christ chose peace because Christianity doesn't have a huge number of followers during that time.. this is weird, our Savior Jesus Christ came to this earth to fulfill the redemption and salvation of the world from evil. As a result, he acknowledged peace to the early disciples since to show repentance and good heart. Because no one would enter God's kingdom unless he/ she was born again.

[eccoodamo]

Sami, I just want to say you have no idea what your talking about. When I hear your debate, you sound very childish. If you are suppose to be representive for the muslims, I feel sorry for them.

Keith, you rocked. In the end, Sami will stand in front of Christ and tremble and realize that he was wrong.

[EGITAYE]

Funny how Sami doesn't even deny Jesus is from the Bible.

He knows Jesus is the Lord

Keith: +10 points

[KevZen2000]

Sami Zaatari needs to stop using Skepic Bible Website to learn the bible.

[KungFatty]

sami lost his chain lol

[prince4king7]

@someguy6481 bu they will ignore all that!

[Randomicity912]

You should have pointed out how the people killed by the Israelites were really evil and comitted horrendous acts such as child-sacrifice. Tekton has some good material on this.

[jesusrules2012]

Sami is making assumptions about the NT and not fact!

[spicenut]

Sami calls Keith a little devil and is crying about manners ? Hello Kettle, meet Mr. Pot.

[Decenium]

@spicenut

Rules are rules mister, he has every right to point it out when the other guy is not abiding to the rules.

I know for a fact that if Sami was not abiding to the rules you would comment like mad about that.

[xchampx]

6:06 Wow this guy is stupid. He claims that the same apostles were around constantine. hahhaha

[xchampx]

4:16 He says hes gotten better. Well, the night before last he tells me:

Muslim-Responses: ur A LOSER!

Muslim-Responses: Loser"

When I refuted him and exposed Islam.

[pillgrimz]

and how did you expose Islam?

[CBALLEN]

Constantine, as well as other false Christians, acted just like Muslims,they spread their false religion by the sword.Jesus Christ never said anything about killing pagans if they did not covert or killing people who left the faith.when anything like this ever happened it was because of MAN's will not God's.ALLAH, on the other hand instructed HIS FOLLOWERS,to spread Islam by the sword,see the difference?The only time CHRISTIANS will fight,will be at the Battle of ARMAGEDDON.