Enjoyed the video, thanks! The 20B car is really impressive. Hauls ass, sounds like F1 and shoots flames to boot. I want one. And I was looking for a video of a rx7 with V8 on a road course actually.
I like Rotary engine for all life time, Because the Rotary engine have a superspeed than the V8 engine but even that the V8 Power is still better than rotary engine .. like cheetah vs Lion..!! the cheetah have superspeed but less power than the Lion have kingPower but less speed, think about that..
Sorry and i love a rotary as much as most but lets be real here folks, this is not a real comparison, Improved (extreme) Production vs TEGA spec V8SC. Even given the specs of both cars during this video shoot I question the rotary to last the 161 competitive laps required at Bathurst as mentioned by the narrator during this video. I suspect that endurance race weary rotor campaigners concede they agree conditionally...
@HeadshotSamurai yeah i got this on dvd, and showed it to my brother-in-law (who's a real bogan), and he came up with every excuse under the sun. i just laughed at him!!
Children. Drop the stupid V8 debate. Rotaries are great. My last comment was pitching Allan Moffatt's Rotary from the 80's against this little rotary. It's not about tech vs tech in that case, it's about pitching a custom racecar against a car built to conform to the rules of a touring car category. Fight that one out amongst yourselves and leave the V8 out of it.
But if you insist, you would all be pretty miffed if this little car had to go up against a current V8 F1 car ....
Lukeyson01. There may be aturbo in the RX7 but it is ONLY 70 cu in vs a V8 almost three times larger in displacement. The superiority of the rotary is already a knoun established historic fact.
if you v8 guys wanna see a fair race then watch the high octane series im not sure what one it is but theres a race between a holden commodore v8 againts a rx2 both street cars no turbos or superchagers both N/A and my golly gosh guess what wins? still the little rotary stop complaining when a rotary wins ok you cant have it all your way. in a race street or track little lightwieght nimble cars will always dominate. just like v8s will always dominate on the drag strip
Allan Moffatt used to get around in an RX7 Rotary in the 1980's. He didn't win Bathurst, but he did win the champinship in 1983. Can we put that up against this lightweight racecar and see how it goes?
What we will see? Neck and Neck racing? Or the same thing - the turbo custom racecar creaming the touring car that was built to conform to category rules? Keeping the piston vs rotary debate out of it altogether, I don't think the result will be any different.
WTAC....nuff said. Plenty of cars doing quicker times around eastern creek than the v8s on street tyres. CYBER EVOLUTION did about 3 seconds quicker than the v8 record and it did it on street legal tyres :D
Did this little rotary conform to all the same category restrictions that the V8 was built to conform to at the time? Minimum weight 1300kg, rev limit of 7000rpm, 17"rims, live axle, no forced induction, control aero, minimum wheel track/length?
Or was it a 700kg turbo charged 16000rpm full independent suspension big winged huge wheeled tiny car?
How could it lose?
Take the turbo off and bring the weight up to spec at the least.Then do it again. I dare you.
@Lukeyson01 yes the RX was boosted, but you cant forget the fact that the V8 STILL had a good power advantage.. not to mention having a naturally aspirated V8 engine the power and torque is instant when your foot hits the pedal.. the rotary has nowhere near the torque of the V8 and thats not good when you have a turbo because it takes time to spool the turbo and get full power.. both cars had their pros and cons and this race was the perfect setup to see which was the better track car..
@Lukeyson01 its funny you v8 boys are quick to say rotarys are shit but when they beat a v8 you's are even quicker to complain about it saying they arent the same class blah blah get over it its a tiny little 1200cc two rotor compared to a 5L 8 cylinder. stick to your straight line shit v8s own the strip but they aint got shit on a light nimble little rotary on the track (by the way straight line sucks shit anyway)
secondly just because your poor v8 can barely handle 7k doesn't mean the rotary should be limited to 7k. the rotary's power band stretches beyond 9k rpm. this is a rotary-specific advantage
thirdly, that car relies on a turbo and thus removing it once again proves your ignorance and stupidity
so theoretically you want to strip the rx7 of its strong points so your silly v8 can stand a chance. fanboi plx. you american son?
@Riccivlturbo I completly agree people do not under stand the power to wieght ratio on these rotory engines. Rules or no rules they had these cars built pretty eqully however i hate 12A rotors i'm a 13, 20, and 26B engine guy.
@Lukeyson01 That's a great point - well made. Just one thing - capacity. Bring the rotary up from 1.3 to what - 7.0 litres and it's going to make a hell of a lot more power than the V8 - turbo or not.
@JL3Wind I would make that just under the size of a 12-rotor. :o) Maybe a V12 rotary? Or a flat 12 (two inline 6's next to each other)? I would love to see either but I wouldn't want the fuel bills.
@davembanks Sorry mate, but the Nissan Skyline GTRs already dominated Bathurst. You pussies couldn't handle the fact that Jap cars were beating Holdens that's why you had to ban them. Wankers.
@GenAcen So what would be the fastest if v8s had bolt on horse (turbo) power like those jappas, no contest, why do you live in the past for so long, just move on pal.
the RX may have wone but the RX sounded like a Mouse but The V8 sounded like a lion!!!! Give Me a Big Tough tank V8 over a paper weight rice fryer any day!
@travjf15 What you're basically saying is that the V8 is a dog that barks but doesn't bite. Meanwhile, the 12A looks like a little puppy who doesn't make a sound but when unleashed, it'll destroy the "tough", barking V8 of yours.
@Ponkiizz Whose house would you rob? One with a yip yip ankle biter dog or a Bull Mastiff? Im not hating on either motor, I love em both. But They both have their flaws. Just sayin.
both sides have valid points really. smaller track suits mazda. mazda was down on power. v8 supercar weighs more. it has more power. id have the v8 in a heartbeat though. purely because of how it sounds.
Ok first of all a v8 supercar of this era was a proper Touring Car and whilst it was heavily modded for racing it still shared alot with the road going version, such as the floor pan, body panels, engine block, and suspension arcitecture (unlike todays V8SC).
The RX-7 shown here was purpose built from the ground up as a race car and shares bugger all with its road going cousin it has a purpose built space frame, a fiberglass body and an open wheel suspension set up.
@wakeboadingforlife i like all cars to, just a couple of corrections. v8 supercar rules specify 5 ltr displacement. also u cant compare Mazdas way of measuring the Wankle to the conventional way of measuring the displacement of a Piston engine. iv read that a 1.3 mazda equates to 2.5 ltrs corrected ( or sumthin close to that) . cheerz mate.
I love the Big Bangers from Aussy all day long. The truth is the truth though and the Super Light Weight 20B RX7 would have killed the Ford. I was involved with the Building of the First of the Ford V8 Super Cars for DJR ( Dick Johnson Racing) back in the early ninties and have been around the super light weight tube frame 747B's from Jim Downing Racing in Florida.Its a tough pill to swallow but the V8 Ford would never ever in any race on any track beat the 20B.Unless it DNF.
I love people who don't finish videos and post stupid things like its not a 12a haha. This show is way to staged, I bet they looked at the 20b lap times and it was way way to fast so they broke the other one out. Really to say something broke? Way to feed in to rotarys being unreliable bs.
@hondajap90 the one that races has a 12a man the 20b couldnt race, you can clearly hear the difference in sounds as 20bs sound much throatyer then 12as
sure the rotary won this time but to bad rotarys are ticking time bombs once they go booom then thats it see with that small block v8 he can blow that thing up and rebuild it countless times haha so the rotary may have won the battle but the v8 won the war
@74dodge92 speaking with such knowledge about how crap they are i assumed that you had owned one before. so realistically your just talking out of your ass? i was trying to be certain.actually when a V8 blows? it throws peices into the other pistons and shits the entire engine and bends it to hell, while a rotor can loose compression on a single face or an entire rotor and still drive on its own power for quite some time.and truthfully a rebuild kit only cost ? hundreds vs a couple k for a v8?
@74dodge92 see ive owned both and have rebuilt both. and ill take a rotor anyday over a piston. im not a rotard like some and hate pistons. i still use v6 to save gas to work. its what theyre good for. i just have a certain respect for there creative engineering and for the power they can make with such small engines. and till youve owned one and driven one you wont know how bad, good or fun they are? so till then. you can keep your non factual based accusations. to yourself. thanks!
@74dodge92 pfft... when a v8 blows up most time it will either throw a rod or piston and ruin the block or head ... when a rotary goes the wost that can happen is it looses compression and you have to put new seals on...
@Tj1056 hahaha thats TRUE! thats what i cant stress to v8 guys most people who go on about v8s have never owned a worked one and felt the pain as the most common problem is dew to the unbalanced nature of a v type motor the pistons and rods will usually smash through the block meaning you pretty much need a new engine, but rotarys the seals go and thats about it. part of the reason why i stick to straight type engines over v8s, naturally the rotary and inline piston engines are better balanced
@twinturboteen18 yes! v8 are very unbalanced haha... well unless you have ceramic seals or something when those go ( but shouldn't go with right tune and setup ) they can ruin the exhaust part of the turbo...
@twinturboteen18 tell that to the guys that built/designed the ls7 vette motor. and v engines have suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a horrible balance hahahahahaha why arent top fuel drag cars inline motors? even european supercars?
@Flessner71 A v motor will normally kill on a drag strip, and when comparing power it will win ass well. However the american and aussie motors are ancient (even the new ones) in design compared to things coming from the euro and japanese market. To get power they follow the simple more air, fuel and spark formula. Dont bother upgrading to newer cams that allow more revs.
@Numbersixteen16 The LS arent ancient technology and i think 7000rpm is pretty revy (ls7) when you consider it still has tons of torque down low, and it gets 25 mpg with a 7.0 liter, which is why american motors tend to be larger because people who buy these cars usually drive them alot and a high rpm power engine is no fun on the streets. and the cams in the newer v8's are far more efficient than ones from the past. just cause they dont rev to 10,000 dosent mean the cams arent good.
@carbonseals haha you make me laugh haha. what v8's are you beating 200hp fox body mustangs? little 305 camaro's? haha. rotary better than v8 lol these guys..
@Flessner71 we all know you're jealous of little rotarys! The V8 couldn't win on this glorious day nor any other day. You probably drive some gay v6 commodore, how about you line it up so I can humiliate you on the strip?
@carbonseals actually i drive a 71 nova with a $1500 budget 383, 700r4 4 speed with overdrive. making 400hp and 460ftlbs. check out my vids. I run low 12s with my junker 383 and thats with 2.73 gears. jealous of rotartys? haha what is there to be jeoulous about? lol.
Small Issue here... In 1998 it was V8 race not a mixed field. ie, The cars were tuned to race against.... OMG V8's... With a lot of safety restrictions.... So a big torque V8 supercar with fairly long gear ratios (To get the Bogans horny) Is not going to have much of a chance against a rotary using short ratio's.. Especially at wakefield... It is almost small enough to be a cart track ffs.
over the years i have noticed something, v8 people are like pc users and rotary people are like mac users. the "pc" people dont like the macs because they dont get them very well and are scared to dig into one. that said I love rotaries and will soon have a 12a miata. But I love v8's v6's inline 6's and so on. I also us macs and pc's but what i am getting at is to each his own. and the car is sick. love it. Im not hatting anyone. lol
Also the average everyday rotary is still as about as reliable as a pair of clean undies to a man whos got the squirts, they could shit themselves at any minute.
I like both rotors and v8s, but prefer v8s because of the reliability.
Anyways this shit is biased and not very good comparison.
UM did he say that the rotor was mounted deep under the dash, meaning it was less like a FR and more like a MR, this was more a comparison of handling rather than piston vs rotor.
A better comparison would have been a NA V8 in a (2dr A9x) torana VS a NA series 4 rx7 (FR not semi mid mounted), or something else similar in size and weight. With similar setups. Diff ratios etc
high octane always made staged and biased dvd's. But lets be clear here, yes the rx7 won the 2lap race around a tight circuit.But one car was obviously more suited to that track then the other.
Maybe if they raced on 2 tracks one that suited the ford and one like the track they raced on that suited the rx7.
With that being said, that ford handled like a stuck pig, or the driver was pretty average. The rx7 handled a shit load better.
To each there own, i know what i would rather have. Take the hair dryer off the the rotary and lets see whose boss... lol Both are good cars in there own right, i wouldnt knock a drive back in either.
@Church20B What im trying to say is, I believe a 4 door family car converted into a race car versus a 2 door sports car converted into a race car isnt a fair comparison.
@jayrouse1982 Hahaha Mazda had a fairly highly strung, and by that i mean over 600hp from a NATURALLY ASPIRATED 2.6litre rotary in the 787B Le Mans car that ran for TWENTY FOUR HOURS non stop and won by such a huge margain in its first outing that they subsiquently banned it the following year to give all the crappy porsches' and shit their dignity back hahaha. I guarantee you that falcon would last the first 3-4 hours and would be ready for the wrecking yard
@DarkKnightBob1o1 your bang on right there put a rotary in a slightly heavy car and you are going nowere fast. wakefield is a small tight track and last time i visited it which was a while ago im pretty sure a go kart held the quickest lap time .just proves it dont mean shit really i could probably blow that rotary off running behind a shopping trolley in a tight carpark
@rx7dren Nothing really broke on the 20b...They just thought the v8 would might have a little chance against the 12a compared to the 20b...The 20b would have double lapped :)
of course you have to compare the piece of shit rx7 with a car twice its size. throw in a real v8 race car like a corvette c5r and watch that rotary trash get ran over
V8 has 200 extra ponies yet the mazda has about 200 - 300 kilos less than the V8 to haul around, a win for the rotor crew. Looks like a blast to drive too
@RotarFlow in the 12 hour production race yes the RX-7s did win but when you look at the V8 supercars at bathurst the Rx7 has never beaten them. Though they did get pole in 1982 ( I think) but they just didnt have the power down the straights.
@RotarFlow Bathurst 12 hour races never used V8 supercars, unlike in this video. And in 1995, the event was moved to Eastern Creek, due to rising costs. get your facts right. In the bathurst 1000 however, Rx7's never won.
ya one issue!mazda might have to dev a 1 rotor engine cause so far everytime there are multiple rotor race organiser make sure rotary cant enter ,so the engine cc is the only way to calculate properly .imagine 650cc time 3 =1950 cc thats is one rotor,with 2 it means the engine is a 3900 cc thaats just 2 rotor lol.no wonder wankel can get in to other race 3900 and japan say those engine are 1.3 liter .ya right!lol
This should be a must watch video for anyone even THINKING about putting a V8 in an RX-7! Imagine the ASS whooping that boat anchor of a V8 would've gotten if it raced the 3 rotor! Remember rotary haters; rotaries are for racing, V8's are for towing to the track!!!
I can't be the only person to smell something fishy here, can I?
All the first RX-7 does is run over some curb and grass. Unless the alternator was super low, that's not going to hurt it. But provided that it did get damaged, A) alternators aren't difficult to get a hold of, and B) a car can work fine without one for limited periods, especially if it's just a couple laps around a track.
So not using the 20B car doesn't make any sense. Still, results speak for themselves.
High Octane sends me videos through 3DS and I enjoy it! :D
ilikeGorillaz1 1 day ago
Enjoyed the video, thanks! The 20B car is really impressive. Hauls ass, sounds like F1 and shoots flames to boot. I want one. And I was looking for a video of a rx7 with V8 on a road course actually.
robnuay 1 week ago
I like Rotary engine for all life time, Because the Rotary engine have a superspeed than the V8 engine but even that the V8 Power is still better than rotary engine .. like cheetah vs Lion..!! the cheetah have superspeed but less power than the Lion have kingPower but less speed, think about that..
renzogaray 1 week ago
Lets make the rotary the same weight as the v8 and see how it gets on. Yeah....exactly.
danboynz 2 weeks ago
cant find an engine that sounds better than the 20b
miamipacheco 2 weeks ago
I'll be honest though, all 3 of those cars sound friggin beautiful.
DrunkenSin 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Sorry and i love a rotary as much as most but lets be real here folks, this is not a real comparison, Improved (extreme) Production vs TEGA spec V8SC. Even given the specs of both cars during this video shoot I question the rotary to last the 161 competitive laps required at Bathurst as mentioned by the narrator during this video. I suspect that endurance race weary rotor campaigners concede they agree conditionally...
rjb5678 1 month ago
stiupit is the one who does not find excuses LOL
timoklap 1 month ago
this video is a lie.. the video Claims the car that raced the V8 was a small 12a? Nah Listen to it. that is no 12a
adam3176 1 month ago
I'm laughing at all these V8 guy's excuses. hahahahahahaha
HeadshotSamurai 1 month ago
@HeadshotSamurai yeah i got this on dvd, and showed it to my brother-in-law (who's a real bogan), and he came up with every excuse under the sun. i just laughed at him!!
xrayracer1 1 month ago
I don't understand why the rotary is Left hand drive? it's a japanese car? mind you I would have put my money on the rotary any day but still...
stuntman670 2 months ago
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gingefrombalga 2 months ago
Children. Drop the stupid V8 debate. Rotaries are great. My last comment was pitching Allan Moffatt's Rotary from the 80's against this little rotary. It's not about tech vs tech in that case, it's about pitching a custom racecar against a car built to conform to the rules of a touring car category. Fight that one out amongst yourselves and leave the V8 out of it.
But if you insist, you would all be pretty miffed if this little car had to go up against a current V8 F1 car ....
Lukeyson01 3 months ago
@Lukeyson01 Sure, a home-brew 12a vs a $4,000,000.00 Formula 1 (essentially a spec vehicle), as you insist.
No one will be "miffed". But thanks anyway dad, for your pointless comparison.
Rotard12a 2 months ago
@Rotard12a
Excuse me, by pointless I meant irrelevant.
Rotard12a 2 months ago
@Rotard12a - Pointless comparison eh? How ever did that happen? We wouldn't want to promote pointless comparisons now would we? ;-)
Lukeyson01 2 months ago
Good thing that rx7 wasn't running with its 20b or it would have destroyed that v8! 👍
11steezy 3 months ago
that rx7 was a full-blown race car...just look at the dash! O.o
speedcrazy94 3 months ago
wtf....
Mukhzin94 3 months ago
Lukeyson01. There may be aturbo in the RX7 but it is ONLY 70 cu in vs a V8 almost three times larger in displacement. The superiority of the rotary is already a knoun established historic fact.
pilkoto 3 months ago 2
Lukeyson01. There may be aturbo in the RX7 but it is ONLY 70 cu in vs a V8 almost three times larger in displacement.
pilkoto 3 months ago
if you v8 guys wanna see a fair race then watch the high octane series im not sure what one it is but theres a race between a holden commodore v8 againts a rx2 both street cars no turbos or superchagers both N/A and my golly gosh guess what wins? still the little rotary stop complaining when a rotary wins ok you cant have it all your way. in a race street or track little lightwieght nimble cars will always dominate. just like v8s will always dominate on the drag strip
driftkid549 3 months ago
even a non turbo 3rotor or a 4rotor can produce almost 400hp...
clumbzlbc 4 months ago 3
@clumbzlbc Ive got a 20b n/a 700hp....
RotaryGod07 3 months ago
Allan Moffatt used to get around in an RX7 Rotary in the 1980's. He didn't win Bathurst, but he did win the champinship in 1983. Can we put that up against this lightweight racecar and see how it goes?
What we will see? Neck and Neck racing? Or the same thing - the turbo custom racecar creaming the touring car that was built to conform to category rules? Keeping the piston vs rotary debate out of it altogether, I don't think the result will be any different.
It's still a cool video.
Lukeyson01 4 months ago
WTAC....nuff said. Plenty of cars doing quicker times around eastern creek than the v8s on street tyres. CYBER EVOLUTION did about 3 seconds quicker than the v8 record and it did it on street legal tyres :D
TraxxasKing 5 months ago
Replay button 1:50. Thank me later :)
EddyKicksAss 5 months ago
They are both awesome in their own rights :)
VanHalenLedZeppelin7 6 months ago
mazda the best !!!
ddaannyy89 6 months ago
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Ripzta13B 6 months ago
Did this little rotary conform to all the same category restrictions that the V8 was built to conform to at the time? Minimum weight 1300kg, rev limit of 7000rpm, 17"rims, live axle, no forced induction, control aero, minimum wheel track/length?
Or was it a 700kg turbo charged 16000rpm full independent suspension big winged huge wheeled tiny car?
How could it lose?
Take the turbo off and bring the weight up to spec at the least.Then do it again. I dare you.
Lukeyson
Lukeyson01 6 months ago 2
@Lukeyson01 yes the RX was boosted, but you cant forget the fact that the V8 STILL had a good power advantage.. not to mention having a naturally aspirated V8 engine the power and torque is instant when your foot hits the pedal.. the rotary has nowhere near the torque of the V8 and thats not good when you have a turbo because it takes time to spool the turbo and get full power.. both cars had their pros and cons and this race was the perfect setup to see which was the better track car..
spyderhex 6 months ago 2
@Lukeyson01 shut up fag..stop crying.
krazzyyo2 5 months ago
@Lukeyson01 sir, ur clearly mad!!! anyone else agrees???
vmaik04 4 months ago 4
@Lukeyson01 its funny you v8 boys are quick to say rotarys are shit but when they beat a v8 you's are even quicker to complain about it saying they arent the same class blah blah get over it its a tiny little 1200cc two rotor compared to a 5L 8 cylinder. stick to your straight line shit v8s own the strip but they aint got shit on a light nimble little rotary on the track (by the way straight line sucks shit anyway)
driftkid549 4 months ago 2
@driftkid549
your a idiot
rotary is unrestricted in what modded to it where supercar is restricted
RIEKSONE 3 months ago
@RIEKSONE fuck off troll you made a comment 2 months ago then came back to the video to see who else you could make a comment to get a fucking life
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ScottiesVlog 3 months ago
@Lukeyson01 first of all it doesn't go 16k rpm
secondly just because your poor v8 can barely handle 7k doesn't mean the rotary should be limited to 7k. the rotary's power band stretches beyond 9k rpm. this is a rotary-specific advantage
thirdly, that car relies on a turbo and thus removing it once again proves your ignorance and stupidity
so theoretically you want to strip the rx7 of its strong points so your silly v8 can stand a chance. fanboi plx. you american son?
xIcarus227 3 months ago
@Lukeyson01 Would that mean the rotary is allowed the same displacement? :D
theunseen1 3 months ago
@Lukeyson01 haha yeah or make the v8 turn 16000rpm...oh wait...that's an F1 engine....
Terruhcutta 2 months ago 2
@Lukeyson01 you answered your own question "that the V8 was built to conform to"
the rotary isnt a v8 the rotor has substantially less power and torque
seens pretty fair to me
take my advice and go shove your rule book up your arse :) everyone else probably agrees with me
Riccivlturbo 1 month ago 3
@Riccivlturbo I completly agree people do not under stand the power to wieght ratio on these rotory engines. Rules or no rules they had these cars built pretty eqully however i hate 12A rotors i'm a 13, 20, and 26B engine guy.
Aunubus69 2 weeks ago
@Lukeyson01 It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning.
corruptshuffler 1 month ago
@corruptshuffler i hate that quote but its true
subifudriftkings 1 month ago
@Lukeyson01
so you think it would be fair to race with 200hp vs 650hp?
sunnyjason 3 weeks ago
@Lukeyson01 That's a great point - well made. Just one thing - capacity. Bring the rotary up from 1.3 to what - 7.0 litres and it's going to make a hell of a lot more power than the V8 - turbo or not.
hunghuge12 3 weeks ago
@hunghuge12 Haha a 7 litre rotary engine would be so awesome
JL3Wind 2 weeks ago
@JL3Wind I would make that just under the size of a 12-rotor. :o) Maybe a V12 rotary? Or a flat 12 (two inline 6's next to each other)? I would love to see either but I wouldn't want the fuel bills.
hunghuge12 2 weeks ago
rotary is expensive
RIEKSONE 6 months ago
pushrod are great it just governments punish displacement
RIEKSONE 6 months ago
Class verses wankel
Small car, small track, advantage japa, try the same cars on bathurst, conrod is for horse power not pissy japas
davembanks 7 months ago
@davembanks
i do agree it was a tiny track for the v8
RIEKSONE 6 months ago
@davembanks Sorry mate, but the Nissan Skyline GTRs already dominated Bathurst. You pussies couldn't handle the fact that Jap cars were beating Holdens that's why you had to ban them. Wankers.
GenAcen 6 months ago 2
@GenAcen So what would be the fastest if v8s had bolt on horse (turbo) power like those jappas, no contest, why do you live in the past for so long, just move on pal.
davembanks 6 months ago
@GenAcen PS get your hand off your dick, and buy a real car
davembanks 6 months ago
rotarys have a slow start but i love the engines concept !! very coool
DEATH94SQUAD 7 months ago
mmhm that 20b would have dominated the v8... even probably taken it in the start also...
Tj1056 7 months ago 14
@Tj1056 R26B.
Diablothein 5 months ago
@Diablothein R26B is pushing 700hp on a gas eficient tune... 900hp+ on a power tune... and that is N/A!
Tj1056 5 months ago
Hence Sports Sedans don't run as support at Supercar events anymore. Faster lap times at a fraction of the budget...
ozhearse 7 months ago
I first met rotary engines when I saw and heard the Mazda Furai concept. Almost sounds like an F1 but with a bit more 'growl'
ptuku 8 months ago
the RX may have wone but the RX sounded like a Mouse but The V8 sounded like a lion!!!! Give Me a Big Tough tank V8 over a paper weight rice fryer any day!
travjf15 8 months ago
@travjf15 What you're basically saying is that the V8 is a dog that barks but doesn't bite. Meanwhile, the 12A looks like a little puppy who doesn't make a sound but when unleashed, it'll destroy the "tough", barking V8 of yours.
Ponkiizz 8 months ago
@Ponkiizz Whose house would you rob? One with a yip yip ankle biter dog or a Bull Mastiff? Im not hating on either motor, I love em both. But They both have their flaws. Just sayin.
TheBlackMonteCarlo 7 months ago
@travjf15 lol @ rice fryer. Havent heard that one yet.. but that falcon got a nice serving of that fried rice..
spyderhex 6 months ago
both sides have valid points really. smaller track suits mazda. mazda was down on power. v8 supercar weighs more. it has more power. id have the v8 in a heartbeat though. purely because of how it sounds.
daxter429 8 months ago
GREAT VID MATE!
RotorMedic7 8 months ago
thumbs up for because the only reason the v8 lost is it was a ford
eligh54321 8 months ago
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12guageboom 8 months ago
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12guageboom 8 months ago
@12guageboom haha faggot holden would cream out a ford
eligh54321 8 months ago
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12guageboom 8 months ago
@12guageboom fuck thata just get an vl walkinshaw
:D
eligh54321 8 months ago
Willmington is a nobody, put any sports sedan against him and they'll flog him...
jabob98 8 months ago
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sickrx7 8 months ago
Ok first of all a v8 supercar of this era was a proper Touring Car and whilst it was heavily modded for racing it still shared alot with the road going version, such as the floor pan, body panels, engine block, and suspension arcitecture (unlike todays V8SC).
The RX-7 shown here was purpose built from the ground up as a race car and shares bugger all with its road going cousin it has a purpose built space frame, a fiberglass body and an open wheel suspension set up.
Not a fair test really
mytigerilly 9 months ago 3
Everyone knows those old supercars handled like a dog on lyno. I think this race should be done again but with a 2011 model v8.
MozzarellaCheese69 9 months ago
Big Block Chevy V8 (1000+hp)= Chuck Norris
Twin-turbo Rotary finely tuned with stuff like nitrous and what not (850+hp)= Bruce Lee
Twin-turbo V12 (700+hp)= Arnold Schwezenneger
3-cylinder diesel TDi (100+hp) = Fred
Toyota Prius' hybrid engine (100+hp)= Justin Bieber
epicutubemembername 9 months ago
@epicutubemembername hahahahahaha.. very2 funny i like you comment at Justin Bieber.. hahahahaha!!
renzogaray 1 week ago
@wakeboadingforlife i like all cars to, just a couple of corrections. v8 supercar rules specify 5 ltr displacement. also u cant compare Mazdas way of measuring the Wankle to the conventional way of measuring the displacement of a Piston engine. iv read that a 1.3 mazda equates to 2.5 ltrs corrected ( or sumthin close to that) . cheerz mate.
xb250power 9 months ago
why have music
BENDOON23 9 months ago
rotary: i love that shit
piston: i love that shit less
quasiturbine: who the hell has heard of that anyways
Superchickenman159 9 months ago
V8 fan=bogan, or what?
HyperLeafBlower 10 months ago
I love the Big Bangers from Aussy all day long. The truth is the truth though and the Super Light Weight 20B RX7 would have killed the Ford. I was involved with the Building of the First of the Ford V8 Super Cars for DJR ( Dick Johnson Racing) back in the early ninties and have been around the super light weight tube frame 747B's from Jim Downing Racing in Florida.Its a tough pill to swallow but the V8 Ford would never ever in any race on any track beat the 20B.Unless it DNF.
1061967 11 months ago
Jesus is god, peace to you all
bass109 11 months ago
Scrotaries suck balls
pooninaki 11 months ago
I love people who don't finish videos and post stupid things like its not a 12a haha. This show is way to staged, I bet they looked at the 20b lap times and it was way way to fast so they broke the other one out. Really to say something broke? Way to feed in to rotarys being unreliable bs.
potzahasee01 11 months ago
The rx7 has a 20B not a 12A idiots!!!!
hondajap90 1 year ago
@hondajap90 but if you listen to the guy who talks then you would hear that the second rx-7 has a 12A engine
ghoulunaticzdylan 11 months ago
@hondajap90 the one that races has a 12a man the 20b couldnt race, you can clearly hear the difference in sounds as 20bs sound much throatyer then 12as
twinturboteen18 11 months ago
the rx7 lacks torqu but it will go fast
gta4rulesass 1 year ago
sure the rotary won this time but to bad rotarys are ticking time bombs once they go booom then thats it see with that small block v8 he can blow that thing up and rebuild it countless times haha so the rotary may have won the battle but the v8 won the war
74dodge92 1 year ago
@74dodge92 so youve owneed one before right?
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent i have not myself because i would never spend the money on one not my cup of tea but ive had friends that have
74dodge92 1 year ago
@74dodge92 speaking with such knowledge about how crap they are i assumed that you had owned one before. so realistically your just talking out of your ass? i was trying to be certain.actually when a V8 blows? it throws peices into the other pistons and shits the entire engine and bends it to hell, while a rotor can loose compression on a single face or an entire rotor and still drive on its own power for quite some time.and truthfully a rebuild kit only cost ? hundreds vs a couple k for a v8?
diverseent 1 year ago
@74dodge92 see ive owned both and have rebuilt both. and ill take a rotor anyday over a piston. im not a rotard like some and hate pistons. i still use v6 to save gas to work. its what theyre good for. i just have a certain respect for there creative engineering and for the power they can make with such small engines. and till youve owned one and driven one you wont know how bad, good or fun they are? so till then. you can keep your non factual based accusations. to yourself. thanks!
diverseent 1 year ago
@74dodge92 pfft... when a v8 blows up most time it will either throw a rod or piston and ruin the block or head ... when a rotary goes the wost that can happen is it looses compression and you have to put new seals on...
Tj1056 11 months ago
@Tj1056 hahaha thats TRUE! thats what i cant stress to v8 guys most people who go on about v8s have never owned a worked one and felt the pain as the most common problem is dew to the unbalanced nature of a v type motor the pistons and rods will usually smash through the block meaning you pretty much need a new engine, but rotarys the seals go and thats about it. part of the reason why i stick to straight type engines over v8s, naturally the rotary and inline piston engines are better balanced
twinturboteen18 11 months ago
@twinturboteen18 yes! v8 are very unbalanced haha... well unless you have ceramic seals or something when those go ( but shouldn't go with right tune and setup ) they can ruin the exhaust part of the turbo...
Tj1056 11 months ago
@twinturboteen18 tell that to the guys that built/designed the ls7 vette motor. and v engines have suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a horrible balance hahahahahaha why arent top fuel drag cars inline motors? even european supercars?
Flessner71 11 months ago
@Flessner71 A v motor will normally kill on a drag strip, and when comparing power it will win ass well. However the american and aussie motors are ancient (even the new ones) in design compared to things coming from the euro and japanese market. To get power they follow the simple more air, fuel and spark formula. Dont bother upgrading to newer cams that allow more revs.
Numbersixteen16 10 months ago
@Numbersixteen16 The LS arent ancient technology and i think 7000rpm is pretty revy (ls7) when you consider it still has tons of torque down low, and it gets 25 mpg with a 7.0 liter, which is why american motors tend to be larger because people who buy these cars usually drive them alot and a high rpm power engine is no fun on the streets. and the cams in the newer v8's are far more efficient than ones from the past. just cause they dont rev to 10,000 dosent mean the cams arent good.
Flessner71 10 months ago
hahaah what it didnt say was both went thru a whole tank of fuel to make this 6minute video! My RX8 is $40 everytime I pull it out of the driveway!!
kassenz 1 year ago
you dont own or drive one of these top fuelers moron, we drive our cars and kiss V8 boat anchors goodbye haha......haha.... haha....
carbonseals 1 year ago
@carbonseals haha you make me laugh haha. what v8's are you beating 200hp fox body mustangs? little 305 camaro's? haha. rotary better than v8 lol these guys..
Flessner71 11 months ago
@Flessner71 they think the clapped out 130 hp camaros are fast...
mageac 11 months ago
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mageac 11 months ago
@mageac haha
Flessner71 10 months ago
@Flessner71 we all know you're jealous of little rotarys! The V8 couldn't win on this glorious day nor any other day. You probably drive some gay v6 commodore, how about you line it up so I can humiliate you on the strip?
carbonseals 10 months ago
@carbonseals actually i drive a 71 nova with a $1500 budget 383, 700r4 4 speed with overdrive. making 400hp and 460ftlbs. check out my vids. I run low 12s with my junker 383 and thats with 2.73 gears. jealous of rotartys? haha what is there to be jeoulous about? lol.
Flessner71 10 months ago
You rotary fuckn wierdo's should wake up! Put it next to a Top Fuel V8, Never heard of a rotary rippin 4.5 sec passes!
427green 1 year ago
lol the v8 doesn't even make any better on the straights
Opuliskii 1 year ago
nnice sounding rx-7 but does somebody knows whats the different between the A and B of 12A and 13B ?
ghoulunaticzdylan 1 year ago
Small Issue here... In 1998 it was V8 race not a mixed field. ie, The cars were tuned to race against.... OMG V8's... With a lot of safety restrictions.... So a big torque V8 supercar with fairly long gear ratios (To get the Bogans horny) Is not going to have much of a chance against a rotary using short ratio's.. Especially at wakefield... It is almost small enough to be a cart track ffs.
Cruddy76 1 year ago
over the years i have noticed something, v8 people are like pc users and rotary people are like mac users. the "pc" people dont like the macs because they dont get them very well and are scared to dig into one. that said I love rotaries and will soon have a 12a miata. But I love v8's v6's inline 6's and so on. I also us macs and pc's but what i am getting at is to each his own. and the car is sick. love it. Im not hatting anyone. lol
lilwood87 1 year ago
people slag rotarys for reliability, make a 1.2 litre V8 that weighs that little and makes as much power and we will see how reliable that is...
jeffmetaldemonz 1 year ago
@jeffmetaldemonz
older F1 V8's were 1.5l
I think this would have been a better comparison if they had used a V8 sports sedan
Gassed250 1 year ago
V8=Slow Bogan mobile
Rotary=Tuned v8 beater
End of story.
eightsixboy1 1 year ago
i see this video n wat i see is a fat v8 trying to catch a litle 12a fast machine high reving engine
StreetBurner01 1 year ago
@daybreak1HP haha, ok :D
Maxomath 1 year ago
@daybreak1HP your an idiot listen to the video....
the first rx7 is a 20b, the alternator breaks, then they use the 12a.
wow1ur1fat 1 year ago
PP rotaries are like Pam Anderson; fast, bitchy, and expensive to maintain. They age at about the same rate.
Tiny engine? That 12A is a turbo'ed ported little bastard ready to snap the balls off that v8.
Man that triple sounds good! Pure sex!
user1qaz2wsx 1 year ago
if a v8 super car cant beat a little 12a turbo hows the peace of shit going to go against a 20B..
TheNickoman1 1 year ago
why didnt they run a more heavy duty rotary?
Savaii2k 1 year ago
Also the average everyday rotary is still as about as reliable as a pair of clean undies to a man whos got the squirts, they could shit themselves at any minute.
I like both rotors and v8s, but prefer v8s because of the reliability.
Anyways this shit is biased and not very good comparison.
k1ngzsta 1 year ago
UM did he say that the rotor was mounted deep under the dash, meaning it was less like a FR and more like a MR, this was more a comparison of handling rather than piston vs rotor.
A better comparison would have been a NA V8 in a (2dr A9x) torana VS a NA series 4 rx7 (FR not semi mid mounted), or something else similar in size and weight. With similar setups. Diff ratios etc
k1ngzsta 1 year ago
high octane always made staged and biased dvd's. But lets be clear here, yes the rx7 won the 2lap race around a tight circuit.But one car was obviously more suited to that track then the other.
Maybe if they raced on 2 tracks one that suited the ford and one like the track they raced on that suited the rx7.
With that being said, that ford handled like a stuck pig, or the driver was pretty average. The rx7 handled a shit load better.
k1ngzsta 1 year ago
So your saying a car only uses electricity when it starts.... What are spark plugs used for? Or fuel pumps or fuel injectors
yellowsushimustard 1 year ago
Dont mess with the little quarter horses .... there quick. V8s are the thoroughbreds though.... love em both
rumbltube 1 year ago
To each there own, i know what i would rather have. Take the hair dryer off the the rotary and lets see whose boss... lol Both are good cars in there own right, i wouldnt knock a drive back in either.
jrwoodsy 1 year ago
@jrwoodsy Mazda 787B over 600hp naturally aspirated, got banned from Le Mans after winning by such a huge margain first time out.
Church20B 1 year ago
I still think the wanker rotary sounds like a wind-up RC car.
moossee32 1 year ago
4 door versus a 2 door, enough said.
Fordrocks030405 1 year ago
@Fordrocks030405 Hahahahaha what a flop, yeah because the amount of doors makes all the difference lol. Wake up to yourself mate
Church20B 1 year ago
@Church20B What im trying to say is, I believe a 4 door family car converted into a race car versus a 2 door sports car converted into a race car isnt a fair comparison.
Fordrocks030405 1 year ago
sounds like a girl at 5:15
bortous 1 year ago
Well, I guess that's why Ford now owns shares in Mazda....if you can't beat 'em, own 'em.
krislyttle 1 year ago
dam that 7 is quick
1CATCHER1 1 year ago
YAY! IM THE 27000TH VIEWER!!
FdSnakeEater 1 year ago
rxbridgey i think you'll find the car racing is a 12a,so its a 2 rotor. even smaller engine.
GSRacingTurbos 1 year ago
If it was a holden in there, the rotary would've kicked its butt by an even bigger margin lmao
carbonseals 1 year ago
yeah now, get both of them to do 161 laps (or 1000km) of mount panarama and see whos still running lol
jayrouse1982 1 year ago
@jayrouse1982 Hahaha Mazda had a fairly highly strung, and by that i mean over 600hp from a NATURALLY ASPIRATED 2.6litre rotary in the 787B Le Mans car that ran for TWENTY FOUR HOURS non stop and won by such a huge margain in its first outing that they subsiquently banned it the following year to give all the crappy porsches' and shit their dignity back hahaha. I guarantee you that falcon would last the first 3-4 hours and would be ready for the wrecking yard
Church20B 1 year ago
Should have used a holden & someone who knows how to drive better, this guy thought he was in a drifting event!! LoL
chrisbiris 1 year ago
@chrisbiris Yea I know? Smoother=faster.
tranchedevie2 1 year ago
they shoulda used a monaro. fords make shit v8's
Bishn0zle 1 year ago
Just remember the torque of a rotary is pitiful.
you really need the high RPM in order to maintain the power to get what you want out of it.
I do love the wankel engine though.
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
@DarkKnightBob1o1 your bang on right there put a rotary in a slightly heavy car and you are going nowere fast. wakefield is a small tight track and last time i visited it which was a while ago im pretty sure a go kart held the quickest lap time .just proves it dont mean shit really i could probably blow that rotary off running behind a shopping trolley in a tight carpark
spannerpro 1 year ago
HAHAHA, i bet a holden V8 would have floged the shit out of that faggot-buzzbox
xFuLlYxSiKxDrIfTx 1 year ago
@xFuLlYxSiKxDrIfTx yeah i fucking rekon ay
Bishn0zle 1 year ago
if the 20B had race it would have lapped that POS V8
rx7dren 1 year ago 16
@rx7dren Nothing really broke on the 20b...They just thought the v8 would might have a little chance against the 12a compared to the 20b...The 20b would have double lapped :)
FC3SROTA 1 year ago
of course you have to compare the piece of shit rx7 with a car twice its size. throw in a real v8 race car like a corvette c5r and watch that rotary trash get ran over
balla740 1 year ago
@balla740 Stock corvette c5r? Didnt know they come 600hp stock?
FC3SROTA 1 year ago
@FC3SROTA the corvette c5r is a race car you dipshit
balla740 1 year ago
V8 has 200 extra ponies yet the mazda has about 200 - 300 kilos less than the V8 to haul around, a win for the rotor crew. Looks like a blast to drive too
I so wanna build a blown scale 20b
Twinfire 1 year ago 2
IF THIS RACE HAD OF HAPPENED AT MOUNT PANOURAMA THAT RX7 WOULD BE SWALLOWED UP DOWN CONROD AND WOULD NEVER BE SEEN
dodgeboy71 1 year ago
@dodgeboy71 ermmm they have raced on panorama, running a 13b turbo and they beat the V8s
Bathurst 12 hour -
1992 Garry Waldon, Charlie O'Brien, Mark Gibbs - Mazda RX-7
1993 Garry Waldon, Alan Jones - Mazda RX-7
1994 Gregg Hansford, Neil Crompton - Mazda RX-7
1995 Dick Johnson, John Bowe - Mazda RX-7
RotarFlow 1 year ago 17
@RotarFlow in the 12 hour production race yes the RX-7s did win but when you look at the V8 supercars at bathurst the Rx7 has never beaten them. Though they did get pole in 1982 ( I think) but they just didnt have the power down the straights.
TheGreatAussieMate 1 year ago
@RotarFlow Bathurst 12 hour races never used V8 supercars, unlike in this video. And in 1995, the event was moved to Eastern Creek, due to rising costs. get your facts right. In the bathurst 1000 however, Rx7's never won.
Bushby23 10 months ago
@RotarFlow HAHAHAHAHAH THATS AWSOME!!!!!!!!
sof1map 10 months ago
This just goes to show that, 'size really doesn't matter'.
Ckay2007 1 year ago
ya one issue!mazda might have to dev a 1 rotor engine cause so far everytime there are multiple rotor race organiser make sure rotary cant enter ,so the engine cc is the only way to calculate properly .imagine 650cc time 3 =1950 cc thats is one rotor,with 2 it means the engine is a 3900 cc thaats just 2 rotor lol.no wonder wankel can get in to other race 3900 and japan say those engine are 1.3 liter .ya right!lol
drbaltazar 1 year ago
That commentator is insufferable.
Stitch216 1 year ago
tiny cock-big motor ,huge cock-tiny motor hahaha go the rota
mrmazdarotary 1 year ago 2
Ha ha! Mazda tasmanian devil!
Skyisnotalimit 1 year ago
This should be a must watch video for anyone even THINKING about putting a V8 in an RX-7! Imagine the ASS whooping that boat anchor of a V8 would've gotten if it raced the 3 rotor! Remember rotary haters; rotaries are for racing, V8's are for towing to the track!!!
meatwad6870 1 year ago 2
V8 Supercars are crap like NASCAR. Have you ever seen a V8 supercar? They're NOT very fast, really.
420witchdoctor 1 year ago
Lemans GT1 and GT2 corvettes. Just ancient push rod V8's. Enough said.
vervi1jw 1 year ago
Piston pissed on.
Mark2790 1 year ago
Oh and u people should have found out that there are many RX7 with a V8 under the bonnet
123dodgecharger 1 year ago
I can't be the only person to smell something fishy here, can I?
All the first RX-7 does is run over some curb and grass. Unless the alternator was super low, that's not going to hurt it. But provided that it did get damaged, A) alternators aren't difficult to get a hold of, and B) a car can work fine without one for limited periods, especially if it's just a couple laps around a track.
So not using the 20B car doesn't make any sense. Still, results speak for themselves.
JesseDanielHimself 1 year ago
@JesseDanielHimself They had to give the v8 a chance somehow lmfao. The first rx7 had 2 more rotors than the one that beat the v8
darkrx777 1 year ago
@darkrx777 Actually, the 12A has two rotors, and the 20B only has three, so the 12A's only one rotor down.
But yeah, you're right, they had to give the V8 SOME chance.
JesseDanielHimself 1 year ago
@JesseDanielHimself Put that sewing machine up against a BBC, then we'll have a race.