They'll like us when we win

[GodofReapers]

Freedom and democracy have come to a theatre near them.

[SinuousStudios]

@GodofReapers Yes, but are they dressed?

[spiderbob]

3:15 on is great. I love the part about the madrases.

[PhilHaqeeqa]

"look at a globe, be exposed to social science and *some* literature" he sould be talking about the US kids!

[hanscombe72]

I am trying to find the conversation when Toby is talking to the president. He talks about Bartlett's two sides. The professor with the "Aw, Dad" sense of humour. And the son looking for the approval of his father, angry, lonely and lethal. I thought this was a great way to describe Bartlett. He was a badass. He ordered the death of the Qumari Foreign Minister and slapped Ritchie in the debate:- "Unfunded mandate is two words not one big word." Would love to see what he would do to the banks!

[ERYTHROGRAPHOS]

If u look at it today, after the Arab revolution of these past months..damn, it's like a prophecy..

[Jimanjee21]

@ERYTHROGRAPHOS Dude, re-watch the series. The whole damn thing is a prophecy.

[vincentstuntdbl23]

Best. Show. Ever.

[drbayoms]

@movieking88

Please shut the fuck up. Support what America is ONLY when it is something to be proud of. Don't blindly support it because "ma & pa taught the youngins" that blind support toward an ideology is better than questioning that ideology for the betterment of all. Blindly supporting an ideology (American or Islamic) is dangerous. And btw, why in the hell does everyone have to walk on egg shells for America? It cuts both ways. Fight all tyranny, whether in the Middle East or the West

[anwharri]

"I don't remember having to explain to Italians that our problem wasn't with them, but with Mussolini! Why does the US have to take every Arab country out for an ice cream cone? They'll like us when we win!" Best line in this video!

[PoliticCynic]

Toby Ziegler will own your ass.

[JimmyXXL]

@movieking88

You serious? sho nuff said fo realz dawg? You brainwashed by an excerpt from a fucking TV show? Can tell you with 99% certainty, if you want to know the definition of a "sheeple", look in a mirror. You'll find one really fast.

[ImperatorDominus]

You know, he's right.... and in a way so is she.

[trulysarcastic]

"we pushed Israel to give up land for peace" As usual Israel said we will do as we want , and we meekly walk away and say okay

[FUwogs]

fuck islamb. drop the bomb!

[jokr8790]

I disagree with a lot of what Toby is saying here. But there is one thing I think this show did. It raised the level of political debate and discourse in this country. Clearly far more intelligently than with how politics is discussed today. The teabaggers and their financial backers have brought political thought to the lowest possible common denominator.

[44warjunkie]

As cliché as it seems they do hate us because of our freedoms. They can’t stand the fact that our culture distracts their youth from their Islamic faith and teachings. Their ultimate goal is to restore the caliphate purged from Western pop culture which they find decadent and immoral. The lists of grievances in the Muslim world are endless, replenishing, and date back many centuries ago. It's silly and futile to say they hate us for our policies. Do research research people!!!!

[Sonnabend00]

"The crushing yoke of Islamic fanaticism" - exactly. "We have a great deal to learn..."..BWAHAHA.

"Be nice to the Arab world"..um..no.

[PaperbackWizard]

A remarkably prescient rant from a time when even liberals had enough clarity to see the "truth" of the whole conflict.

There was another clip between the two of them in this episode where Andy says you can't reduce all of Islam to fanaticism, and Toby says that's not what the speech does. "It calls fanaticism fanaticism. It's fanaticism whether we call it that or not, so we're going to call it that ... Grotesque oppression isn't okay just because it's been institutionalized."

[bingosocks]

@PaperbackWizard The irony is that it is the US which is fanatical as summed up by Toby's comments. Most American's are ignorant of their history or current foreign policy, which if employed by any other nation would be labelled as radical, dangerous etc.

[bingosocks]

@PaperbackWizard The irony is that it is the US which is fanatical as summed up by Toby's comments. Most American's are ignorant of their history or current foreign policy, which if employed by any other nation would be labelled as radical, dangerous etc. They have their version of the truth, but it bares little resemblance to reality.

[PaperbackWizard]

@bingosocks The point is, we're free to learn our own history, as well as the history of the world. We're a free society, while (most of) Islam isn't. Also, we don't terrorize other nations and peoples for being different. We're not fanatics; we just happen to have some fanatics. There's a difference.

[bingosocks]

@PaperbackWizard You are free to invade, bomb, occupy and pillage, to create coups against democracies using terrorists and then prop up the dictators you put in their place. But please don't tell me US foreign policy is about spreading freedom or democracy. You are free to learn your history that's true, a freedom I so any Americans are reluctant to use. The reason Bartlett is such a popular figure of fiction as he reinforces the myths of USA president, in stark contrast to reality,

[bishope08]

@PaperbackWizard : Good sir (or madame), i think you have a short memory when you say "we dont terrorize other nations and peoples for being different." Any honest American will know and recognize that the very history and foundation of this nation was constructed on the terrorizing of the original native americans of this land and Africans...plain n simple...Now sure, we as a nation have strived throughout the years to right these wrongs, but lets not

[bmillsistheman]

toby's finest moment!

[tuanomsoc]

TZ: this is a presidential address, andie. not a camel

AW: a What

TZ: a camel! a horse built by...committee

[grumpytosnowwhite]

There are no words for me to describe how much I love Toby.

[nudist1033]

Hey all, I'm also "nudist0885". (one of my 3 handles in youtube)

I just noticed that at the moment I have the 2 highest rated comments for this video clip.

Pretty sweet. (8^)

[WOI999]

"we pushed Israel to give up land for peace"

-WTF! Precisely what land did Israel "give up"? The land of the exiled Palestinians, on which new Jewish settlements are still being built, in direct violation to international law, to this very day? With the tacit approval and direct financing of the United States government?

I never thought the authors of THIS show would go this low! So sad!

[Anonie324]

@WOI999 Consider when this show was made, I believe Sharon was still president at the time of this episode, and he TRIED to get Israel out of Gaza, which the hawks, now in power under Netanyahu, deeply opposed. This show is relevant, but not constantly up to date...

[Ares99999]

@WOI999 Dear me, this part of the show wasn't made in 2010, don't talk about 2010 issues!

[WOI999]

@Ares99999 What "2010 issues" am I "talking" about, little pumpkin? Most of the native Palestinian population has been exiled for over half a century now!

[Ares99999]

@WOI999 Yeah, sure, whatver you say.

[nejnyy]

@WOI999 On the show there was a summit at Camp David where they pushed Israel to give up land for peace. In their universe, that actually happened. In ours, it didn't. The writers weren't going low, and I think you're misunderstanding the concept of fiction.

[WOI999]

"blowing Iraq back to the 7th century for harboring terrorists and trying to develop nuclear weapons"

-Ahem, Iraq NEVER did EITHER of these things prior to being attacked. Why would TWW (of all shows!) be repeating the deranged lies of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld?

[Anonie324]

@WOI999 Uh, he's referring to the time when Iraq was ACTUALLY trying to develop nukes in the late eighties and early nineties. During the time BEFORE 9/11, Iraq was a place for Islamic extremists to hide out, even if Saddam and Osama hated each other...

[Ares99999]

@WOI999 Because it did harbor terrorists and it did try to develop nuclear weapons. I see you're blindly going to stand on one side of the argument no matter what anyone says, so I'll leave it at that. And if you start ranting against me, my only answer is given right here: you're pathetic, drop it.

[WOI999]

@Ares99999 Oh sweetie, are you hearing voices in your head? Perhaps in your own private universe you get to invent both all the historical facts and the arguments of your opponents? In the reality right here and now it doesn't quite work this way though! FYI, Iraq never harbored terrorists, nor did it have weapons of mass destruction of any kind leading up to the war. Remember?

[Ares99999]

@WOI999 Yeah, sure, whatever you say.

[SonOfGod3000]

@WOI999 wtf ????????? This wasn't made in reference to the 2nd iraq war but the 1st...do some home-work before bashing a great show... you can sit back in your stinky chair and feel stupid now...

[WOI999]

@SonOfGod3000 Sweetheart, the first Iraq war (aka the Persian Gulf War) took place because Iraq invaded Kuwait (with the tacit approval of the U.S. ambassador to Baghdad at the time, April Glaspie). Only a hypocrite or a moron will fail to see through the hollow extolling of democratic values and spot the rabid jingoistic racism and cultural imperialism that has nothing to do with true liberal philosophy or ethics. A cheap and underhanded shot at the ratings, that's all there is to it. So sad.

[lostinthought179]

@WOI999 I'd argue that it is a true liberal philosophy, just a liberal interventionist one.

[wingtakanawa]

Oh yeah, they LOVE us when we win. This kind of cathartic "F 'em" may make us feel good, make us think we're being tough-minded, but blithe ignorance doesn't actually work well on the ground. It's not about Islam being "tolerant"-- it's about it being fractured. Read David Kilcullen's "The Accidental Guerilla"-- you can't go around tossing out "Islamic fanaticism" without realizing how the wedge politics work, how people who could have been on your side won't be.

[Ares99999]

@wingtakanawa Yeah, right.

[deBebbler]

This bit, along with Leo's line "maybe we can teach them" responding to a Saudi saying their women cannot drive cars, are the (only) two bits of foreign policy philosophy that The West Wing actually got right.

Fun show to watch, and Toby was the absolute best character. Always a volcano trying not to erupt.

[Darusdei]

freedom and democracy? hahaha...

naah, more like a HUGE bill from china, europe and japan for the wars which will be paid by you, your kids and your grandkids... good luck :D

[ameroux]

There's an old joke that says when a committee sets out to make a horse, they wind up with a camel. I can't remember exactly how it goes.

[joemalatas]

When a horse is built by committee, the result is a camel because of all the compromises and differing opinions about what a horse is.

When a bill is built by committee you end up with a compromised bill plus pork/earmarks.

[nudist0885]

Where a 1st person asks a 2nd person a question and the 2nd person answers with the truth.

And then before the situation has had time to change the 1st person asks the question again.

[nudist0885]

I like the part that starts at 0:22

AW: Where is he?

SS: I don't know!

AW: You said that already.

SS: But you asked me again and I still didn't know.

Reminds me of "THE ANSWER" to the New England Dairy Farmers when ?Steve? asks Toby if he told the president to piss off the dairy farmers and Toby says with a slight giggle in his response "I have no new information since the last time you asked me that question". I love this kind of thing.

[jampt1989]

"I don't remember having to explain to Italians that our problem wasn't with them but with Mussolini. Why does the US have to take every Arab country out for an ice cream cone?" Amazing

[nudist0885]

Sometimes I didn't even understand some of the speech that was going on in this show, or the intention that those thoughts conveyed, but even I can see where the statment just before this one is going.

Freedom and democracy are coming soon to a theatre near them?

And what is the name of this freedom that will be playing on movie theaters all over the Islamic World.

THE WEST KNOWS BEST-Part1

[Derayne33]

"...that freedom and democracy are coming to a theater near them, so get dressed."

[crazedmongoose2003]

Toby is a more forceful personality but neither of them are completely right in this matter, (just because there isn't a right answer for this problem yet) and even Toby can see that.

"I'm going to take a look at the softer language"

[mlc2005]

One of the all time greatest characters in television history... I LOVED HIM!

[t1984t]

toby 2012

[hd1440cu]

They will like us when we win!

Please O Please let that misguided fool now in office understand the simple wisdom of this statement.

THEY WILL LIKE US WHEN WE WIN

[ZeppelinSanitarium]

International diplomacy is waaaay more complicated than "they'll like us when we win." When do we "win" anyways? We're already more powerful, do you suggest we invade every Arab state until we've formed a new American sphere of influence and thousands of our children are being killed by suicide bombers. We're smarter than they are, let's act like it. This isn't the day of Mussolini like Toby said.

[ttdugger]

Altough International Politics is not without complication. It is often used as an excuse to meaningful change.

[th3gr8juan]

Preach on brother.

[th3gr8juan]

His ex-wife, mother of his twins and woman he is still in love with

[zetasan]

Nancy Pelosi

[zekest]

you are a bunch of losers

[t1984t]

toby is a god

[arnout23]

Go Toby, you rock

[frizzychic5]

I love him. (: