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  • Webber is such a pussy, can't take a hit....after throwing an elbow. It's "tough" guys like Webber that make the NHL look like figure skaters throwing temper tantrums, not hockey players.

  • @jw12yrsctch i'd like to see the outcome of you calling him a pussy to his face, he would fuck you up. he's fucking 6-4 and one of the best defense men in the league.

  • @Wolfreys44 so he's a 6-4 pussy, that's a very large vagina, would compete with your mom even

  • Most sports commentators are biased as they are paid by the team, not the station they are broadcast on. This is rampant in sports. Basically if you are too critical, you get fired. It has happened countless times

  • ha ha Lilja go back to sweden...chicken!!

  • @Poontangist Webber threw an elbow and then jumped him for getting a normal check. Go back to Canada you walking vagina.

  • @Poontangist He still agreed to the fight.. how is he chicken for that

  • @JefferstChmilst yeah true but damn he sure didn't have any knuckle game..

  • @JefferstChmilst Yeah he wasn't much of a fighter. He was more of a hitter and a shot blocker.

  • Way to go Weber!!!

  • lmao weber litterally broke his face

  • i love weber, such a big fighter=)

  • god these fucking old ass fucks are so biased its stupid...yeah lilja handled himself alright..got his ass beat so hard he had to sit a year...fucking biased fucks..

  • Out of curiosity, where was the elbow the commentators were talking about at :53? All I saw was Lilja facewashing Weber, dragging Weber to the ice, then getting his sorry ass kicked by Weber...

  • @Nakatumi7 Watch closely, Lilja did get his ass kicked but Weber brought his elbow up as Lilja went to check him. I saw it. But you're right Lilja got his ass handed to him.

  • Mickey Redmond is the worst commentator ever...how he hasnt been fired is beyond me...and the wings are better off without that fuckin plug lilja...so shit

  • @lupo532 I agree with Lilja, but watch you're mouth about Redmond, he's a great commentator and he used to play in the NHL, he's one of the best players in NHL History.

  • lol what a homer commentator. that wasn't even an elbow.

  • Hey everyone!

    I have a question for you hockey fans and experts:

    We know that Lilja is a rapist who raped a girl in Sweden with two of his hockey friends. He made a confession and all.

    Do you as hockey fans feel weird when watching him play like nothing's ever happened while the girl's life has been destroyed after she's been inebriated and gang raped by them? Is he a role model for the kids out there?

    It'd be great to read some honest answers.

    Thanks in advance!

  • @Eightysixification

    They didnt rape her, they bought her services cus she was a well known prostitute.

    The other guys was Henrik Tallinder and Kristian Huselius.

  • shrille, I don't want to have beef with you, but you KNOW that what you've written is not true.

    Here is a paragraph from a Swedish paper:

    "Showing obvious signs of remorse, Lilja, however, admitted that the unthinkable had happened. "I'm full of regret and would like to apologise to my family, friends and the sporting community of Sweden.""

    The rape is a fact. I just want to know how you as a hockey fan feel about it.

    Like I said, I don't want trouble so I expect a civil answer.

  • Oh, I completely forgot to mention that in Sweden, it is illegal to PAY for sex, meaning the client commits a crime, not the "prostitute".

    Sweden considers prostitution a form of violence against women, so the crime consists in the customer paying for sex, not in the prostitute selling sexual services.

    So, had the girl been a "prostitute" as you claim, the three hockey players you mention would wouldn't be able to play hockey, even if the NHL has done everything to cover for them.

  • I'm so sorry, Shrille, can take from your answer that you

    a.) deny the rape ever happened,

    b.) blame the victim, and

    c.) are "proud" of them that they are getting some no matter how?

    No offense and no judgement, obviously we are anonymous people on youtube. It's just for a seminar and I've already interviewed some Red Wings fans personally who gave me very interesting answers.

  • yeah every one knows what this guy did. but a lot of people are in denial. i cant fucking believe he's playing and people are cheering for him, even women! its unreal. Ive also heard some "fans" say that "the bitch asked for it". what can you do when you hear people say shit like that? or they make up shit like the guy that posted that she was a prostitute. anyway the wings take in all sexual predators and dirty players in the nhl

    but many female fans lost respect for the wings and i get it

  • @londontower86 Where the fuck did you hear this? I haven't heard it. You don't know shit about the Wing's roster so you CANNOT talk shit about them. The Wings don't take in dirty players, just Bertuzzi and Lilja and even us Wings fans hate them.

  • i'm not talking shit about the roster. but you gotta admit that lilja is a fucking subhuman. and i heard it plenty from other red wings fans. whenever i see this fucker and go booooo other fans are like "it was a long time ago and she probably asked for it". wtf!. the only fans i know that hate him are women, all male fans are like "yeah, who cares". wtf!

  • @londontower86 Yeah, I never heard about the Lilja incident you're speaking of. I do admit that Lilja is nothing special, I don't know why the Wings have kept him for so long.

  • They were cleared by a special prosecutor who said there wasn't even enough evidence to try them. Sorry dude - try again.

  • Hey! Thanks for your reply even if the hostility is barely concealed.

    "Only 6 % of rapists will ever spend a day in jail and only 40 % of sexual assault is reported to the police"

    (source: U.S. Department of Justice and RAINN)

    I'm a pre law and we have discussed the case of the afore mentioned three hockey players in our European Law seminar.

    It was rape under all points of European Law, but let's just say that professional athletes have are more equal than everyone else under the law.

  • @Eightysixification How do you know that if it isn't reported...

  • @owenboen67

    The U.S. Department of Justice conducts studies to estimate the real extent of rape. But according to the American Medical Association (1995) sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported crime.

    Lilja admitted what he did. But someone like him can do whatever he wants and he'll never spend a day in prison.

  • But that is completely beside the point.

    I wanted to find out how hockey fans, especially Rad Wings fans, react to having a gang rapist in their midst.

    From the post made by londontower I take:

    a.) condemnation and

    b.) a sort of helplessness in the face of the "denial" and "cheering" of other fans, especially women

    From your post I take

    c.) an apologetic and protective attitude toward the rapist

    d.) unwillingness to even talk about it.

    Thanks! Maybe someone else would like to comment?

  • no apologies for rapists - but I don't find your conspiracy theory very compelling. Even in that international land of intrigue known as sweden.

  • They were publicly shamed in Sweden, banned from the Swedish national team for a year, and made a confession in one of the leading Swedish papers.

    The girl was paid gag money and revoked her charge.

    Now their case in discussed in universities as an example of how fame and money make you untouchable by the law.

    Can I write down that you

    a.) deny the rape happened and

    b.) trivialize the crime by terming it "conspiracy theory"?

    Thanks! And no offense!

  • Lilja's not a fighter -- he can play it rough, but he can't fight. He's not worth the money in his contract.

  • lilja miss like one year after this fight with some concussion

  • HAha, you would be fucked in the NHL

  • another tough guy on youtube... pathetic.

  • What the fuck 4%? Thats sick low! Go to hospital

  • whoooo! I'm scared!

  • elbow to the face?

    i really do like mickey redmond...but sometimes he really shows the bias.

  • fuckin youtube aint workin

  • sooo, thats it? thats why he has been hurt this whole time

  • @TheTigersWingsFan yeah. he is going to grand rapids in a few days for conditioning though

  • This fight really messed Lilja up bad. There have been rumors he'll be ready to play in as recently as a week, though.

  • i was at this game and the preds beat them eight to nothing! it was an amazing game.

  • PWND

  • its gunna be a year......

  • fuck the injuries, we will still make the playoffs and win the cup. but Lilja got a concussion from the punch, and then the doctors found a blood clot on his brain. it had nothing to do with getting knocked the fuck out

  • @hockeymann13 would him getting bludgened in the head not give him , or at the very least inhibit his blood clot? just wondering...

  • as a wings fan, I'd love to have Weber on our team. no question he's one of the better defensive players in the league currently. that being said, I wish he didn't sideline Lilja long-term (probably permanently).  go wings!

  • they said lilja has a possiblity of coming back, his headaches are going away. he's already been practicing with the team, he's waiting to get checked and see how he handles it lol. :D

  • @finksc lilja will be back in a week maybe they was sayin today

  • according to Ken Holland, Mickey Redmond's comments the other night had no merit. courtesy of mlive...

    "Detroit Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said Saturday night that he has no knowledge of defenseman Andreas Lilja returning next week from a concussion that has idled him since Feb. 28 of last year...Lilja has been practicing with the team for months but continues to experience headaches. He must be symptom-free for an extended period of time before being cleared to play, Holland said"

  • @finksc he went 14 days without a headache and now just gotta see the doc to be cleared and he will be ready for action

  • where are you getting this from?

  • @finksc my mom told me she was searching but i really dont know when hell be back though but all he has to do is get doctor permission and then he should play

  • @finksc lilja will be playin in grand rapids in a couple days for conditioning

  • Even when players fight they don't want to injure somebody long term :/

    In the end it is only a game.

  • shea weber just relased a comment how he is deeply saddened about the results of this fight, considering lilja hasnt played since this fight.

  • sad thing is lilja will probably never play again =(

  • well...doesnt bother me considering the bitch move he put on weber.. he deserved to be knocked the fuck out for being a pussy.

  • webers a dirty mother effer, he deserves to be kicked outta the nhl!

  • explain how hes dirty, considering youre the only person thats probably ever said that cause weber is one of the best defensemen in the league hands down. youre mad that a sex offender (lilja) got knocked out for facewashing weber for no reason..

  • since when are cross checks legal & cheap shots to the back into the boards legal?

  • you cant say shit about having cheapshot artists, detroit not only has bertuzzi, but kronwall who is an artist of charging... if you want to say weber deserves to be kicked out of the nhl due to a crosscheck, then how the fuck would there be any players left, considering a cross check is a common penalty. you need to learn more about hockey obviously.

  • i know plenty about hockey, thankyou. and lately, have you seen bertuzzi give any cheapshots? NO. kronwall..explain his cheap shots because him leaving his feet is after he delivers the check. you're just oblivious because you're obviously a damn predator fan.

  • lol pretty sure i know more about hockey...i fuckin play it. i have witnessed bertuzzi break steve moores neck and end his career, that i did see. kronwall leaves the ice during his checks, not after. hes a fucking idiot. youre mad that lilja got rocked by weber so u called weber a cheapshot artist. justify why he should be kicked out of the nhl for a crosscheck. what should bertuzzis punishment have been for the broken neck? just cause im from tennessee doesnt mean i dont know hockey..

  • more than a crosscheck, when the wings played the preds the other night..he was makin all sorts of cheap shots! kronwall hah definitely NOT a dirty player, so many people are quick to say that about him, but he leaves his skates after the check to follow through, . bertuzzi, he was, but much not anymore.

  • idk i did see 1 cross check, i was 8 rows up from the glass and did see that, but i did see draper all over him and weber punched him in the face with no call, but there were so many missed calls that game it was ridiculous. but i wouldnt say because of that that weber should be kicked out of the nhl, he was getting roughed up too

  • lol yea......

  • how about them red wings this year?

  • @Tanthockey13

    if you're trying to talk shit about the wings...KEEP IN MIND..they are out 9 players and yet still are in playoff potential. id like to see another team do that! 9 players is crucial for a hockey team, especially the wings.

  • ???? pretty sure weber was the one who got dirtied there...there was no elbow to the face like the announcer said..he just stood up for himself and laid the smack down. webers a great player...not sure why you think he should be kicked out of the nhl--ppl do a lot worse stuff than laying a body check and fighting........

  • lol it was just the heat of the moment :D

  • i love it when my hometowen player K'sO somebody weber is great... i liked watching him when he played in the KIJHL for the eagles.. good times

  • soooo awesome

  • Sadly this may have ended his career. He still han't played a game since this and he's on long term IR. He's great on the PK and we have struggled without him.  Hope he recovers though.

  • Lijla isn't much of a fighter anyway.

  • poor Lilja, he still has headaches everyday.

  • That upper cut did more than "knock him off his balance." It knocked him the f*** out. Plus there was no elbow. Lame a

  • anyone else notice the lack of contact to the face by weber's elbow as they headed into the boards?

  • career ender for lilja?

  • prolly...hes still out

  • k o on lija. never be the same after that.

  • Every comment in here (other than mine) was written in whole,or in part,by flaming drag queens,tranny's and homosexuals.

  • This is all Detroit has before the town collapses and dies. So yeah you guys are o.k. lol, go penguins!!!

  • wow, what a moron. That nashville gm must be as smart as you,otherwise he'd get good skillful players on his team like detroit has, instead of clowns like tootoo. what was nashnville doing the first week of june?? I can tell you what detroit was doing. playing in their second consecutive cup finals you jack ass. get a clue before you run your mouth

  • Tootoo is paid to be a clown dumbass.

  • exactly. smart answer:)

  • I'm a wing's fan but I'll admit there's not one guy on the roster who can really fight. Zetterberg vs. Malkin was just so fucking random it is unbelievable, lilja drops occasionally and then theres maltby and holmstrom who can drop the gloves once in a blue moon and thats pretty much it. btw anyone know what happened to mccarty this season? was he playing in the minors or injured or what? because in my opinion mccarty is 10 times better than kopecky.

  • Elbow to the face my ass, Redmond is such a douche bag. i'm from michgan and he is by far one of the worst commentators in the league.

  • i like lilja but he got destroyed

  • Weber rockzzz!!!!

  • lilja must have a skull made of glass because he hasn't played since this fight

  • Freak injury. People do get concussions when their skull is pounded into repeatedly.

  • He had a congenital blood lump in his brain that burst from one of the hits.

  • ha next your probably going to tell me stuarts a wuss too right?

  • wrong....he's going to tell you you're a wuss....lol

  • lilja didnt even get to put up a fair fight ... he gets elbowed so he drags him down ... hopefully next time we play nashville weber will come up the ice and meet kronwall or stuarts shoulder its what havlet deserved and its what weber deserves

  • cry baby twerp....lol

  • Kronwall is a wuss anyway.

  • true

  • amen bro

  • I love how the anouncer says it was an elbow that started it. I'm pretty sure it was the rare 5-0 lead over the wings. So they try to play dirty. Karmas a motherfucker.

  • thats possible career ending uppercut for Lilja...sad story

  • Jag ställer mig tvivelaktig till om Andreas Lilja sitter och läser detta.. Fast vem vet, han spelar väl iaf inte..

  • Antagligen hade hon jävligt ball, med tanke på att det var hon som tjatade om att få följa med dem och att de inte gjorde något mot hennes vilja.

  • he may not be playin but the rest of the wings are. IM sure the preds r playin to.....golf,now that their not playin hockey anymore. by the way we're up 3 games to 0 against columbus,one of the other central teams that made it. have a happy off-season :)

  • what was lilja thinking? hes still out with a concussion

  • what was he thinking?...a redwing dropping his gloves before he showers?...unheard of......lol

  • i do not comprehend

  • you don't mate either.....lol

    unless it's with your hand or your priest.....lol

  • correct

  • i think hes saying red wings are pussies who dont fight if im not mistaken

  • red wings dont have to there too busy winning cups lol

  • all you assville fans have a happy offseason. If your not doing anything(like watching your team in the playoffs) your more than welcome to watch sum wings playoff games. they start next week,probably around the time webber and tootoo have their tee times scheduled :)

  • I'm sure if Lilja wasn't still out with a concussion, he could be playing hockey but oh....wait. Guess the Wings don't have anyone to defend themselves now. It's sad when a team's toughest player is someone who rapes women.

  • Lilja didn't rape any woman, he just had some nice doubble sandwish with his teammates. No crime, just because you get your cunt, ass and mouth fucked at the same time..

  • lol to bad we kicked wings ass last 3 times we played =) kinda like tootoo anytime he fights your so called team(of pussies)

  • dude, maybe that´s right, but still there is just a little thing called Stanley Cup which is actually the scale of success

  • Sooo...you won a couple of meaningless (to the Wings) REGULAR SEASON games. See you in the playoffs. Oh, wait, no we won't, you won't be there.

  • TheCoachG: "Good on Webber to keep pounding even when Lilja was down (had to be done). "

    Moron. Lilja still has a bleeding in his brain from this fight. To keep pounding on someone who´s gone down is the act of a coward.

  • My bad, I did not understand the physical consequences, however, each player has to know that in this game, therein lies the chance of getting immensely hurt on purpose or not. Regardless, Godspeed for Lilja.

  • Of course, it´s just that in my book pounding on someone whos down isn´t something you do. Sorry I called you a moron.

  • what chapter in your book references mccarty......lol

  • The same of course.

  • zanon almost got in a fight last night and the preds won haha YES!

  • If I was the coach of the Redwings, I would send Lilja back down to the minors for that weak face pull down. Good on Webber to keep pounding even when Lilja was down (had to be done).

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  • You havn't gotten it yet? Lilja did it with no doubt because he wanted webber to throw his gloves. Just look at chara, he do those cheap shots all the time, and alot of players do to get a opponent key player sent to the sin bin.

  • The commentator mentions a deliberate elbow, did I miss something?

  • I am a WIngs fan, I bleed red, (That was a little joke.) Lilja got wrecked. The only thing that I didn't care for (other than Lilja getting wrecked) was that Weber kept punching even after Lilja was down (because he was wrecked) and the refs were breaking it up. Kinda low-brow, although he did wreck him.

  • Whatever they were on their knees nothing dirty. Too bad the kid got hurt though.

  • "They" weren't on their knees. Lilja was. Lilja didn't throw a punch after Weber landed his second. It was obvious that Lilja was hurt, not that I fault Weber for that, but he didn't have to keep swinging when Lilja was down and the refs jumped in.

  • anyone notice, in detroits lose to nashville today(4/9/2009), if anybody sought revenge on shea weber for his beatdown on lilja?....no?...nobody stepped up?....that's what i thought......lol

  • You know what else was low? Lilja grabbing Weber from behind and jerking him down to the ground by this helmet.

    I don't think Weber should have kept hitting after Lilja went down, but lets be honest, Lilja deserved it.

  • Oh please, quit making excuses. Weber acted like a douche bag. If Lilja was "jerked to the ground by the helmet", which is impossible, and Lilja responded by beating the crap out of him, even after he was down, you wouldn't that he deserved it. Don't be a homer.

  • "crease lilja with an elbow"? right. don cherry.

  • Dont give me that shit, Lilja asked for it in the ass, and got it in the ass. The Redwings have no fighters on their team, cuz they dont need them, but dont even try and say Weber was being a douche bag. He stood up for himself by beating some pussy-wing ass. Lilja got was was comin. and the funny thing is, Lilja wears ear pieces on his helmet and thats where he got punched!

  • Look, if you're trying to justify why weber isn't a douchebag, fine. You'll never convince my that Lilja had it coming, but that is only because I am not a delusional dumbass. But hey, whatever works for you, Weber stood up for himself? Please, Weber instigated it, probably because he is sick of losing ALL THE TIME.

    I disagree about what's funny. I think that its funny that Lilja is gonna get another ring without even playing a playoff game. That is funny,

  • lol we lose all the time when we beat dead wings 8-0 and 4-3 twice in motown shutup

  • Yeah, like I said before, the regular season only matters to people who don't make the playoffs. Loser.

  • :D:D

  • it is a shame that Weber has moronic fans like you. he is a class act, great player, and deserves better.

  • Yes.

    Likely won't play again this season.

  • is this why lilja is out with a concussion right now??

  • Again, what the hell are you talking about??

    Perhaps the reason the Preds ARE in such financial strife now is because in the past few years, they DID sign big name, big contract free agents (do the names Kariya and Forsberg ring any bells??)

    That, along with the fact that hillbillies don't give a damn unless it's NASCAR, doomed a Nashville hockey franchise right from the start.

    You don't know much about the NHL, do you? Perhaps you should start watching NASCAR, too.

  • Gotta love it! Someone who flames someone about something they obviously don't know anything about.

    You talk about Nashville's financial strife? Nashville is one of the most stable teams in the league with the new ownership group coming in. You're about a year and a half behind on that one bud.

  • Also at the stereotype about everyone from Nashville being a hillbilly (not to say there aren't a bunch of weird asses around) and not giving a damn about hockey. Have you ever been to a Nasvhille Predator's hockey game? Doubt it. This town deserves hockey.

    So before you try to counsel others on the current status of the NHL, get your facts straight and up to date.

  • Moron.

  • so i guess when i looked at the salary and the salary cap it didnt read they spent near the max? hmm. i guess that is just my ignorance speaking. if you say we dont know anything about hockey, that is ignorant, look at how long detroit has been in the league, original 6 team, nashville has been here 11 year. that is not even long enough to establish a generation of new hockey fans, kids that grow up watching it with their families. There is a Salary cap, but there are also markets.

  • unsuspendpac - You are one uniformed idiot.

    Ever heard of the SALARY CAP???

    That means all franchises have the same amount of dough to spend on players. NO TEAM "buys" all their players. Welcome to 2009.

    You don't have a clue.

    Marian Hossa turned down tens of millions on a multi-year contract, just to play this one season with Detroit. 

    Oh yeah - and Datsyuk?

    ANY TEAM could have had him, but he was passed over in the draft until the Wings drafted him. Your loss, our gain.

  • Markets such as detroit, where the population is about 10 times as big as Nashville, bigger market means more people watch the games on tv and more people go to the games. bigger markets generate more revenue and thus more to spend on players. Nashville is not just "Nascar" or football. you could look at any team that drafted " unknown " players that turn into something special, look at Rinne, he was a late round draft pick and is the future of the team.

  • Zetterberg, drafted r7 Datsyk, drafted r6 Lidstrom, drafted r3 Holmstrom, drafted r10 Kronwall, drafted r1 Osgood, drafted r3 Draper, purchased for one dolllar, (US dollar, I believe) Filpula, drafted r3 Hudler, drafted r2 Kopecky drafted r2 Ericsson drafted r7 Meech drafted r9 Franzen drafted r3 Helm drafted r5 The salary cap prevents the Wings from buying the Stanley Cup, wanna try a different excuse?
  • DESTROOOOYYYYYEDDD

  • if weber's phantom elbow was a penalty, the penalty boxes would be full after 1 minute of play. Lilja messed with the bull, and he got the horns. Did you even read his comments after the fight? He admitted that he got a CONCUSSION from that punch!! Lilja has no business playing for a team as skilled as the wings, get his lazy ass off the ice

  • why the judges let the guys fight without do anything ?

  • i remember when weber played WHL hockey in kelowna and that is where i live so it was pretty cool seeing him grow as a player

  • who cares lilja isnt even a fighter. the wings are more focused on scoring goals and winning cups than fighting. and its obviously worked for them.

  • they weren't too focused on scoring goals that game...did ya check out the score!

  • fuck the wings. they buy their talent just like the yankees. i hate detroit

  • Theyre nothing like the yankees. The yankees use theyre ridiculous salary to buy great players, Almost all of Detroits players were scouted and developed in their organization. examples Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Lindstrom, Franzen, and Hudler. I could go more but i think you get the point. Lol they buy their talent hockey has a salary cap, shows how much shit you know dumb fuck

  • isnt that what you have to do, as a good team? use money to buy talent? thats how all good teams are made.

  • the wings don't buy their talent they barely spend any money at all. all the good players they have other than rafalski and hossa have been their most of their careers and love it so they don't ask for a lot of money. look at hossa, he passed up tons of money to go to detroit. the yankees hand out tons of money and the wings spend just as much as any other team if not less.

  • The Wings buy their talent but so do other teams like San Jose, Pittsburgh and so on. I hate the Yankees because their owner is so rich and their city is so big that he can afford the cap fees. There are some teams those that have finacial problems like the Predators that can develop players and put good teams on the ice and put fans in the stands but can't afford superstar players like Datsuk or Hossa. They're not as bad as the Yankee's.

  • Spot on.

  • Who's the moron doing color commentary for the Wings that thought Weber threw an elbow??? I've never seen someone do a better job of keeping his elbow in and leading with the shoulder.

  • Thats Micky Redmond. Hes not a moron dude, you could see an elbow to the back of his head..kinda. Sorry dude but Mickys awesome lol.

  • You want to give a facewash, make sure you can back it up. Red Wings are skilled as shit, pretty light in the toughness dept, though. I want Zetterburg to be next, then Lidstrom.

  • Yeah if they could get some tougher guys, theyd be even more fun to watch. Thats why I like to watch the Capitols play, theyre tough and theyve got pretty damn good skills.

  • Correction: It's Holmstrom I want beaten like a lazy mule. Lidstrom is awesome and no matter how much I hate the Wings, I have a ton of respect for him.

  • Chicken Swede got what he was asking for

  • chicken swedes? get me on skate and we will see what real vikings can do!

  • Yah, Lilja can handle himself. He handled an uppercut real nice. KO!