Fencing фехтование, escrime, fechten Video Sieniawski & Sons

[Dtrollmancan]

so grate thanks for this

[Murmillo1]

Sure Olympic Fencing is not like real fencing. The weapons are very light because the fighters don't have heavy armor.

But we still use sport weapons for our Historic Fencing because you can have a free fight without injuries (look at our channel).

[HipposHateWater]

@Murmillo1

No, armor has nothing to do with it.

The"weapons"are designed to flex far more (for safety's sake) than one would want in either a real thrusting OR cutting weapon. Since they aren't designed to actually thrust or cut through bone and flesh alike, there's no real need to maintain an optimal blade geometry designed for killing. The result is a much thinner and lighter profile.

[KTemplar9]

Better than others but still a lot of parry-riposte and blade hitting (instead of hitting the adversary)

[kaindrg]

@KTemplar9 it might just be for show. but i remeber fencing manuals of different cultures and styles tended to state ur goal of any initial attack is to strike the body or head the problme was that ur oppnets weapon is an obstruction that keeps u for getting to the goal his very attack is anobstruction parry continue on to the attack.

[KTemplar9]

@kaindrg

yep but still you can make an attack and in the same time have you opponent's weapon out of line

[kaindrg]

@KTemplar9 i just realized that to. Were u refering to the rapier specificly ?

[KTemplar9]

@kaindrg

Rapier, cut &thrust and even with the longsword

[DMEII]

I have never heard of anyone practicing or sparring without head/face/eye protection.

[RelativelyBest]

@DMEII They say John Tenniel, the original illustrator of Lewis Carrol's Alice in Wonderland, used to practice fencing with his father without wearing a fencing mask. One day the protective cap on his father's foil fell off and the tip slashed Tenniel's right eye so badly it permanently blinded him. However, he pretended the injury was minor and his father never found out about it.

Hardcore dude.

[sharpfang]

@sebastikantus: Nie tyle honorowe, co hańbiące dla przeciwnika, który dał sobie to zrobić.

[Entheobotany]

This is a great example of sport fencing.

[TheKNH86]

@Entheobotany Only if "sport fencing" allows grappling and for the fencers to strike with anything other than just the blade of the weapon, such as pommel strikes and even kicking. I actually would like to see "sport fencing" return to its roots as a geniune martial art.

[Entheobotany]

@TheKNH86 I'm not entirely sure if you are agreeing with my comment or not based on the actions presented by this video. This is nothing but choreographed, compliant fencing meant for movies and things of that nature. The edge-bashing, lack of violent intent, minimal grappling and open hand striking, dui tempo, etc., lead me to file this under "sport" or "theater" fencing rather than anything grounded in the martial tradition. But then again I'm sure this isn't a video of martial display anyway

[TheKNH86]

@Entheobotany I'm not argeeing with your comment. Sport fencing does not ever allow fighters to grapple. I stress: not ever! And open hand strikes are effective, else the militaries of the world would never teach soldiers to strike that way. Choreographed, maybe. But theatrical swordplay is closer to the historical art than sport swordplay.

[Entheobotany]

@TheKNH86 I'm familiar with what sport fencing allows and how the historical art of combat is similar to the modern combat systems employed by the military, and I'm not disagreeing with you in that regard. What I'm disagreeing with you about is whether or not this is closer to a martial display or a sport display, and due to the lack of serious martial content (see past comment for example) I'm putting this closer to sport than martial. This isn't sparring or any actual fighting; it is display.

[sebastikantus]

Czy takie uderzenia pięścią czy łokciem były uznawane za honorowe???

Najlepszy moment to 00:48, to jakiś chwyt judo??? :)

[averit]

Ciekaw jestem gdzie obecnie w naszym skundlonym kraju można się uczyć sztuki walki szablą polską.

[eddiedaskull]

holy shit.I am in awe! amazing

[ciotkapela]

Bravo panowie tak dalej!!!!!!!

[Patriusprimus]

Chyle glowe dla Misztrza szabli!!!

Chwala Wam!!!

[VegaEtereo]

Excellent video! *****!

[sihingalkan]

super:)

[wojsport]

z Warszawy jak sądze, dobry film

[Mishenev]

Super! Thank you!

[partyzant158]

Niezła technika,ale skąd ci goście w ogóle są?

[kit40]

Fantastic sabre fencing! It's a different weapon when it actually weighs something, lol.

[cplmontana1]

Just like it says in the beginning, this is movie stuff. It's not real fencing by any stretch.

See "Olympic Fencing" for the good stuff.

[halfassedfart]

Olympic fencing isn'y anything like real fencing either.

[KnightoftheSky]

@halfassedfart This is fundamentally true, I must agree. However, in my opinion one of the primary merits of Olympic fencing over stage fencing is efficiency. Stage fencing has a tendency to be emphasise flashy manoevres, whereas sport fencing is entirely focused on the most efficient path to landing a hit. Since becoming a sabreur, I struggle to watch swordfights in films nowadays, because while they're twirling their swords about their heads, I'm thinking "He's wide open! HIT HIM, YOU FOOL!"

[DMEII]

@KnightoftheSky I too watch fights and pick them apart, watching all that twirling and spinning around exponsing their backs and think the same thing; he's wide open, stick his arse!!!

[ChishioAme]

@KnightoftheSky Except that same efficiency in Olympic fencing would get you killed against a historical, or even stage, fencer. Sport fencing is linear with very limited attacks, more so since your goal is just to score a touch against your opponent; this is a little less true in sabre since you can use the edge, but the point remains. Besides, even if someone is twirling their sword above their head, they are by no means wide open. Look up the zwerchhau. That said, studying German longsword...

[ChishioAme]

@KnightoftheSky Means I tend to pick apart movie fights, as well, so in that regard, I know exactly what you mean, though in my case, it's more the acrobatic stuff they get up to rather than things like spins, since there are historical fencing styles that teach spins.

[KnightoftheSky]

@ChishioAme I understand your point, and indeed, I can't really comment on styles like longsword or claymore - I'm not versed in them in any way. I mean mainly fencing styles, like cutlass or rapier - think the Zorro or PotC movies, although the latter is usually quite good when it isn't being deliberately ridiculous. Compare with the epee duel in Die Another Day, where in a modern fencing bout, the GRABBED one another, which is incredibly illegal

[KnightoftheSky]

@ChishioAme or the Chatty Duel from the Princess Bride where they do some ludicrous stunts, not the least of which being when one of them throws his sword in the air from behind his back, dive rolls on the ground and catches it as he gets up. Both fighters give plenty of sizeable windows to get themselves impaled.

[ChishioAme]

@KnightoftheSky Very true. However, the duel in Princess Bride was, excluding its more ludicrous stunts, I believe completely based upon historical fencing; the Spanish tradition, I believe, as the Italian tradition is extremely thrust oriented. But, I'm not a rapier fencer, my experience being in German longsword and informal kenjutsu, so it's mostly speculation.

[jediknight2694]

Awesome stuff would like to see more especially the longsword

[44moss]

Jestem pod ogromnym wrażeniem... Macie świetną technikę.