Yeah here in the United States people also go to the ER because they cry poverty and use it as a free clinic. I always heard horror stories where they try to charge you thousands because it is emergency care. Canadian provinces should charge a user fee like 50 dollars if you are treated in the ER and not admitted to hospital -most health plans in the US do that and I think that keeps hypochondriacs out of emergency ward. OR hospitals should house walk-in-clinics & tell people get out of the ER.
I live in the U.S. It takes about 7 hours in the ER.
I'm planning on moving to Canada not only for better heath care, and equal rights, but it just overall seems like a better place to be.
Living with handicap people, my grandmother spent a total of 1 year in the hospital. If it wasn't for paying $500 a month for insurance she would have been faced with a $600,000 bill. We'd be living on the street.
They are privately run in that they make their own decisions much like any company would, but when they're done treating a patient, doctors send the bill to the government to pay them, rather than the patient.
When I was rushed to hospital by paramedics to Toronto Western Hospital in downtown Toronto about 2 years ago for near-amputation of 2 of my fingers in a freak accident I had to wait as well.. (for about 5 minutes). I was given morphine IV though while being transported to the hospital.
After surgery and rehab my fingers have regained about 90% of their pre-accident functions. I feel bad about the accident but I feel good for being taken care of at the hospital at the emergency dept and rehab.
Canada spends less than 2% of its entire health care spending on bureaucracy as opposed to 25-30% by the US. So tell me which system is less bureaucratic ? I'll give you a great example Massachusetts General Hospital (Boston) alone employs more people just for bill collection at its billing dept than the number of people employed by all of 106 hospitals of Province of Ontario (which serve a population of approx.14 million people).
It is pretty funny to know that someone who claims to have lived in Toronto for 4 years and had no clue that almost all clinics in Canada are privately owned and now you are teaching me the facts on Canadian health care system. It is almost like George W Bush giving lecture to university scholars.
It is mind boggling for me to hear that you lived in Toronto for 4 years and had no clue that almost all clinics here are privately owned and run by docs in their independent private practice.
I have lived in downtown for years and I have never waited for more than 15-20 minutes at any "Walk in Clinic" for unannounced visits for non-emergency care in the heart of Toronto.
BTW, If you dont have Provincial Health Card issued by the govt, the govt wont pay a single health care dime for you.
Many non-Canadians do not realize that hospital emergency room is a wrong place to go if you DO NOT have an emergency case
If you go to a hospital emergency room with non-emergency case you will be sent to a back of the queue because the care is prioritized based on severity of a case. The most severe case will be cared first at any given time regardless when a patient arrives.
For non-emergency care 'Walk in Clinic'(s) are there for unannounced visits or book in advance for announced visits.
As opposed to Britain, almost all of hospitals in Canada are owned and operated by independent non-profit boards just like independent universities in the US (as opposed to state universities) so the doc and nurser working at these hospitals are neither employees of the govt nor do they answer to govt.
Virtually almost all clinics are owned and operated privately by docs in private practice therefore we have "publicly financed insurance but services are delivered by private sector."
First of all, almost all of hospitals in Canada are NOT owned or operated by the govt same is true with clinics and second thing is doc and nurses are NOT employed by the govt.
exactly right about the crap you see in our ER's. someone gets the sniffles, off to the ER they go.
to all you silly yanks, it's this simple. we pay for healthcare via our taxes. so should we need healthcare it will be there. so it's like putting money away for a rainy day and it works great.
and if you end up not needing it then you take comfort in knowing your tax dollars helped someone who did. help each other a little and maybe y'all won't be so angry at everything all the time.
A friend of mine was vacationing in Florida, and had to go to the hospital (can't remember what for, this was years ago). They saw that he had a small scar on his torso, and asked him what it was. He told them he had had his appendix removed. They were in awe that he was able to have his appendix removed with such a small scar. I guess they were so far behind down there, that they had to make like a 10" incision to remove someone's appendix. Like walking decades into the past.
No, our hospitals R funded by the gvt, but are privately run.
I'm curious, since U "have the facts", what is the salary for Cdn doctors, and what is the salary for Cdn nurses. You never said. I know for a fact that Cdn GPs/family doctors make 2X what nurses make, and that surgeons/specialists make 4X what nurses make, but I'm interested in UR "numbers".
How long/where did U live in Cda? How often did U use system. My experience w/Amrcn HC was terrible. Overpriced, filthy facilities, etc.
Unlike you, I don't have to go by what I read in some made-up journal. I've lived in both countries, and have used both systems myself. If you haven't, than you're not qualified to comment on ours.
We don't have "stalinized medicine" in Canada, nor do they in Britain. We have Universal Health Care. That ignorant comment proves you don't know what you're talking about.
I'll go on my own experiences, as well as those of friends and family in the US. Disgusting, third-world type facilities. Long Emergency Room waits (several times longer than I ever waited in Canada), paperwork nightmares, out of pocket expenses
I'm curious though, what countries do U think have strong healthcare systems?
I'm not sure what "govt docs" you're talking about. We don't have "govt docs" in Canada. Our drs either have private practices, or work for hospitals, which R privately run. Our avg family dr/general practitioner was making $99,300 AFTER EXPENSES 10 years ago. They make roughly twice as much as nurses. I even gave my source.
If U want anyone to believe you (you didn't even supply any figures), you must give your source so we can do a search to verify. U cant just throw out facts with a source.
For pete's sakes people... This topic isn't about which is better, it was just about how happy I am that I am Canadian and received probably over a million dollars' worth of treatment from AMAZING doctors. If anyone from the US thinks it's BS, go to GF Strong in Van and you'll see the level of care people get. This has nothing to do with bashing the American health care system. I'm proud to be Canadian no matter who I talk to!
One thing that really worries me is that the Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus epidemic disproportionately affects the poor, the people who will least be able to pay for treatment of the mushrooming incidences of T2DM. Because of the terrible complications that can result from this illness, I fully expect the streets of the cities of the USA to be reminiscent of Elizabethan London with all the languishing sick and incapacitated people.
I articulated myself plenty clearly. And I actually provided my sources. Youtube won't allow links, but I gave the names of the publications so you can find them using Google yourself literally in seconds.
If you really did get your "facts" from the CMA, give me a search string so I can use Google and read them myself. You also never stated any actual figures. I gave figures from the OMA, RN Magazine, and confirmed them with an active nurse. I think she knows what they make a little more than U
That's a lie. No 1 even mentioned the Amrcn HC system until U bashed the Cdn one.
BTW, I spoke with my nurse friend (we're going out for drinks tonite). Turns out nurses in Canada make about 1/2 what family doctors/GPs make, and about 1/4 what specialists like surgeons make.
She actually laughed + asked me who this idiot was who said that nurses make as much as drs. Like me, she said she wanted a link to an online source. Of course you haven't and won't provide one, cuz it's a lie.
Canadian doctors DO make a six figure salary. After all expenses, they were averaging $99,300 TEN YEARS AGO. And that's just family doctors and general practitioners. Specialists and surgeons make over $200,000 per year.
codeegirl, please delete this idiot "coverchenko"'s comments, and ban him from commenting here further. He only came here to bash our healthcare system, and did so without provocation.
He's never lived in Canada, and never used our system. He hasn't even given an online link or source name (so we can google it) to any of his "facts". I already proved that "Canadian doctors make the same as nurses" to be lies through references to the Ontario Medical Association's own numbers.
"...yielded hundreds of false debit and credit cards in various stages of completion as well as passports, drivers' licenses, health cards and citizenship cards"
"Copies of their health cards, credit cards and bank cards sell on the black market for up to $600 each."
"Some of those false documents end up in the United States. Last year an American man using a fake health card was caught by police at a Windsor, Ontario hospital. "
I didn't say ANYTHING about your system until you started talking trash about my system. Read the thread from the beginning. That is, if you are capable. You are a product of the American educational system after all.
You started this, not me. I didn't even make my first post in this thread until AFTER you had badmouthed our system.
Now go visit my favorite American doctor of all for people like you - Dr. Kevorkian.
There are THOUSANDS of Americans that come up here for healthcare every year. I've spoken to this with friends who work at clinics personally. There have been busts of counterfeit ID rings that have been charging $600 per card. And unlike you, I'm going to provide an online source to this story, just like I did to the wages:
Google "Police break up fake ID ring in Toronto October 2005"
I've lived in both countries and have used both systems. You haven't, and are lying.
I have always received prompt care too. My doctor treats me like a patient too. I don't have millions of dollars or am connected through any political ties either. I'm an average Canadian citizen.
I didn't "talk trash" about your system you stupid brain dead, monkey-fucking idiot.
I didn't even mention UR system until U made several derogatory cmmnts about ours. Nor would I have.
We don't have "crappy death care". Cmprd to UR system, ours is superior. I know someone who had surgery for brain cancer, and is receiving chemo now. Superb service, no waits, no complaints. U have no such experience with our system, so STFU
Still waiting for those wage links. They were lies and you know it
You have to post a link to this "fact" that Drs. in Canada make the same wage as a nurse. Just because you read it somewhere doesn't make it true.
I gave numbers straight from the Ontario Medical Association and Registered Nursing Magazine: Drs. were making $99,300 (after expenses) in 1999. Nurses are making $64,000 as of 2009.
I also know several nurses personally. They DO NOT make anywhere near what doctors here make. I'm sure they wish they did, but they don't.
Americans come here to Ontario for healthcare by the thousands. Legally our system doesn't cover them, but they buy counterfeit health cards so they can use our system.
Your system has a lot of problems too - far more than ours. I've lived in both countries, I'm speaking from experience. So don't badmouth ours until you get your own house in order.
Our system doesn't concern you anyways. So I don't see why you're even posting here to begin with.
But just to see if you're telling the truth, I'm going to be seeing one of my nurse friends tonight. I'll ask her if she makes as much as the Drs. make.
As for personal experience, I've always received PROMPT, first-rate care. So have all my friends, relative, and co-workers. I know someone who recently had surgery for brain cancer. There were no delays, nor was there any "substandard death care."
If you have no experience on Canada's healthcare system, don't badmouth it. You can't just automatically believe what the American media and politicians tell you. It's mostly lies.
"It is a fact that Drs in Cda avg the same wage as a nurse."
No, that's a lie, not a fact. Cdn Drs. make FAR more than nurses. Cdn specialists routinely make over $200k/yr, as I already stated.
Give a link to these facts. I have several nurse friends, they make less than half what the Drs. in the same hospital make. I know from 1st-hand experience you are lying. Nurses make well under $100,000 per year. Doctors make well over $100,000 per year.
Specialists in Canada, like neurosurgeons and heart surgeons typically make over $200,000 per year. I don't know where your getting your "facts" (that they aren't paid well) from, but someone is lying to you.
I think all this debate about Canadian vs American health care is entertaining, as I was saying how happy I am with the care I got. Yes, if you go in for a sore foot you'll wait for five hours, but if you have a real problem, they get you in right away. I have had a LOT of experience, and I am very happy with our system. We need more doctors and nurses of course, because the ones we have are overworked, but they do a very good job for what they have to work with.
Well I am not really sure why all these Americans post on these topics, it really doesn't concern you, may instead of poking your noses into other countries affairs all the time, you might want to fix things within your own borders for a change. The vast Majority of Canadians want our system. And it is not even close to what is being proposed down there.
Because they're idiots. They want to feel better about themselves be convincing themselves that they are better than us. No one here made a single negative comment about their system until this idiot badmouthed ours.
And you're right. It doesn't concern them. They have no reason to post here whatsoever.
How about this. Fine, food and healthcare should not be a right. If that is the case neither is free speach or gun ownership as with out food or healthcare you will have no rights as you will be DEAD.
Your a fucking idiot. Do the world a favour and lube up your gun and stick it so far up your ass you can taste the barrel.
You seem to think doctors make very little money here. Fact is they all make 6 figure incomes and support staff does pretty fine too as they are unionized in Ontario. The thing you need to realize is I do believe that the government has the right to regulate and in fact control this industry. If not we would end up with crazy doctor bill for minor procedures like you people.doctors in the US should refer to their hippocratic oath. To heal people, not just the people that have money.
So you get your info from the very people who are afraid they wont be able to charge crazy prices for their servicecs? Why dont you just let a Catholic priest write a paper on evolution and take that as unbiased fact?
LOL I had circulatory issues due to varicose veins and was on the operating table in less than a month....and i was not critical. Cut off both her legs even the healthy one for fun. I dont suppose you can prove this lie can you? This is where we differ and i think you are a pig....healthcare is RIGHT and not a PRIVILAGE. It is nice to hear that you have taken the discriminatory attitude of your adopted home though. Keep telling yourself the unfortunate are all lazy, it is easy to believe a lie.
TC, coverchenko will keep telling him/herself that the unfortunate are lazy until he needs health care and cannot afford it. ignorance of facts causes hate and fear and coverchenko epitomizes those traits! it is a scandal that the U.S. does not have health care for everyone and the conservatives are threatened because they value money more than people!! great comments TC, bravo!
I just dont get it man. I mean, all people that are unemployed are not lazy. Many right now are victims of this economic crunch that is the fault of the people who wanted deregulation and private industry to run the show. All i hear are lies like this guy spews. Lottery for a doctor? Cut off somebodies health leg? This guy must think we practice Voodoo or something. I guess the thing that binds all of us Canadians together really is the right not the privalige to recieve healthcare.
Hi TorontoCanuck. I don't get it either. Many unemployed people are ill or have fallen on very difficult times but it always seems to be extremes for those who oppose health care in the states. hard worker-lazy. atheist-fundamentalist pro-con WTF?
Well, the lies are running rampant now and the propaganda shown in conservative U.S. ads are a joke. You know that idiot from T. who says she has a tumour? Not only did she NOT have cancer, she had a minor cyst and she has done this BS twice before!
investigation is NOT regulation as it is reactive rather than proactive. The Govt is investigating why people got ridiculous house loans AFTER all of this has happened. Regulation means that, like in Canada, a bank is not allowed to loan you money without at least 5% down. Not doesn't choose to but is not allowed. This has not been done to your healthcare system which is why it is fucked. Anybody can punish a criminal but it takes character to prevent the crime from happening inthe first place.
The fact is every time you people are asked to help each other you scorn the idea and use absolutely useless and unfounded reasons. Like lazy. Everybody without a job must be lazy. Just ask the autoworkers that have been laid off. They had jobs their whole lives, then the economy tanked and they are the ones responsible. Next try to convince me its the unions fault, considering they make about the same as non unionized workers in that sector. Maybe the US makes shitty cars that guzzle gas?
Reagan was great? I take it you must be white and at least middle class to say that. Now as far as you doing things well as long as companies are private....all of these companies getting bailouts were private, so was Enron and Worldcom. So that being said because of deregulation and greed they all fucked you over to increase the profit margin. Tell me your health insurance companies dont do this either.
Very balanced. Very well thought out...... nothing is perfect but when EVERYONE has healthcare in the fullest sense, it far outshines the struggles here in the US. People are funny that way ..... it's not really a problem until THEY LOSE their healthcare or are denied. Lots of opinions against universal care, but little real understanding of it. Because of course IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU! It is someone else's problem. How selfish. Hope when sickness comes for you, someone has your back.
You again! Alright heres the deal. You have videos of Reagan on your page so im gonna say this. Reagen believed in as litte government as possible. Then along came GW Bush and he expanded government more than any other president in the history of the United States. And you bitch about Obama? Also, i like your statement about the DMV. I guess that means nothing America ever does is done well. Including helping your own people. Seems like the only thing you are good at is lying and killing. ;)
Would you want to deal with being a paraplegic (sp?) under the USA's healthcare system? Healthcare here in the USA is, if you're a wage-earning person with no isurance, don't get sick or injured or else you're deeply, deeply FUCKED. But here in the USA, we hate our poor people bitterly, so nothing will ever change.
Nothing will probably change in the USA until we kick out the South. We should have let them secede when we had the chance! "Oh, I'm a blue-state Yankee, that's just what I am, and to the Southern nation, I give the back of my hand..."
Thanks sister! I wonder if they would have paid for my ileostomy bags that I needed?
After I had my Cancer removed from my colon I had an ileostomy and ran out of bags. My order wasn't at my house. So I had to poop in a sandwich baggy. But our insurance woulnd't cover 1 bag for me. So I called the hospital and they gave me 2 bags to hold me over but billed me for it on my credit...
The USgovernment should cover my my doc visits if I pay insurance!
I'm a quad and spent 8 months in the hospital. When I left I had a $200 ambulance bill (that was also covered in the end). I've used both the Canadian and US healthcare systems and I'd rather the Canadian one any day. I didn't have to worry about loosing my house and being in debt when I got out the the hospital like so many of the people I know from the US did.
Yes we might have to wait awhile for some tests etc. but if you really need them you get them without the long wait.
I've also used both systems (I lived in the US for 2 years), and would also take the Canadian one any day. I'm not just talking from my own experience though. I've had friends who have spent time living in the US (one still does - Austin, Texas), and all of them have had terrible things to say about their system.
One even moved back to Canada when he got married because he told me he would never raise a child under the American system. How's that for a ringing endorsement? LOL.
She wouldnt have paid anything if she had insurance actually. Her INSURANCE company however would be paying WAY more for the same service that was done in Canada.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective on the Canadian healthcare system :). I have been looking for people who will share their experiences with it, as I wish they would do something like this in the U.S.
FYI--we have to wait for at least two or three hours in the ER, too *LOL*
Just because you were treated right at some hospitals in your erea doesn't mean it's the same everywhere.
Cheers to your happiness
darkmagicianknightx 1 month ago
Yeah here in the United States people also go to the ER because they cry poverty and use it as a free clinic. I always heard horror stories where they try to charge you thousands because it is emergency care. Canadian provinces should charge a user fee like 50 dollars if you are treated in the ER and not admitted to hospital -most health plans in the US do that and I think that keeps hypochondriacs out of emergency ward. OR hospitals should house walk-in-clinics & tell people get out of the ER.
juxtn 3 months ago
I live in the U.S. It takes about 7 hours in the ER.
I'm planning on moving to Canada not only for better heath care, and equal rights, but it just overall seems like a better place to be.
Living with handicap people, my grandmother spent a total of 1 year in the hospital. If it wasn't for paying $500 a month for insurance she would have been faced with a $600,000 bill. We'd be living on the street.
BeachBabby233 1 year ago 2
@coverchenko Really? Some 20 year old is going to pop in, and ask for a heart transplant to replace their already healthy one? Get real.
Doctors aren't yes men to whatever whims you have. They check you, then offer options for treatment if you need it.
Reijen 1 year ago
@coverchenko
They are privately run in that they make their own decisions much like any company would, but when they're done treating a patient, doctors send the bill to the government to pay them, rather than the patient.
Reijen 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing your story! I am personally touched!
johnwest360 2 years ago
When I was rushed to hospital by paramedics to Toronto Western Hospital in downtown Toronto about 2 years ago for near-amputation of 2 of my fingers in a freak accident I had to wait as well.. (for about 5 minutes). I was given morphine IV though while being transported to the hospital.
After surgery and rehab my fingers have regained about 90% of their pre-accident functions. I feel bad about the accident but I feel good for being taken care of at the hospital at the emergency dept and rehab.
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
Canada spends less than 2% of its entire health care spending on bureaucracy as opposed to 25-30% by the US. So tell me which system is less bureaucratic ? I'll give you a great example Massachusetts General Hospital (Boston) alone employs more people just for bill collection at its billing dept than the number of people employed by all of 106 hospitals of Province of Ontario (which serve a population of approx.14 million people).
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
It is pretty dumb to walk into hospital emergency room with non-emergency case.
Why should the emergency dept go after your non-emergency case while overlooking more critical patients. Does the word "EMERGENCY" mean something ?
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
It is pretty funny to know that someone who claims to have lived in Toronto for 4 years and had no clue that almost all clinics in Canada are privately owned and now you are teaching me the facts on Canadian health care system. It is almost like George W Bush giving lecture to university scholars.
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
It is mind boggling for me to hear that you lived in Toronto for 4 years and had no clue that almost all clinics here are privately owned and run by docs in their independent private practice.
I have lived in downtown for years and I have never waited for more than 15-20 minutes at any "Walk in Clinic" for unannounced visits for non-emergency care in the heart of Toronto.
BTW, If you dont have Provincial Health Card issued by the govt, the govt wont pay a single health care dime for you.
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
Many non-Canadians do not realize that hospital emergency room is a wrong place to go if you DO NOT have an emergency case
If you go to a hospital emergency room with non-emergency case you will be sent to a back of the queue because the care is prioritized based on severity of a case. The most severe case will be cared first at any given time regardless when a patient arrives.
For non-emergency care 'Walk in Clinic'(s) are there for unannounced visits or book in advance for announced visits.
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
As opposed to Britain, almost all of hospitals in Canada are owned and operated by independent non-profit boards just like independent universities in the US (as opposed to state universities) so the doc and nurser working at these hospitals are neither employees of the govt nor do they answer to govt.
Virtually almost all clinics are owned and operated privately by docs in private practice therefore we have "publicly financed insurance but services are delivered by private sector."
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
First of all, almost all of hospitals in Canada are NOT owned or operated by the govt same is true with clinics and second thing is doc and nurses are NOT employed by the govt.
I dont know which world did you live in ?
CanadianRockies2005 2 years ago
exactly right about the crap you see in our ER's. someone gets the sniffles, off to the ER they go.
to all you silly yanks, it's this simple. we pay for healthcare via our taxes. so should we need healthcare it will be there. so it's like putting money away for a rainy day and it works great.
and if you end up not needing it then you take comfort in knowing your tax dollars helped someone who did. help each other a little and maybe y'all won't be so angry at everything all the time.
cannyx 2 years ago
@cannyx Yeah but Americans don't receive joy from helping others. It's every man woman and child for themself down here.
Plumpdumper 1 year ago
@Plumpdumper
Considering what medical professionals have to go through to be able to treat patients they definitely have to enjoy helping others...
mplyler1 1 year ago
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thechriscorr 2 years ago
I don't know. This was almost 20 years ago, and I wasn't there. I just thought his story about the doctors in Florida being amazed was funny.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
I just remember that it was an emergency...he was rushed to the hospital in pain.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Personal story:
A friend of mine was vacationing in Florida, and had to go to the hospital (can't remember what for, this was years ago). They saw that he had a small scar on his torso, and asked him what it was. He told them he had had his appendix removed. They were in awe that he was able to have his appendix removed with such a small scar. I guess they were so far behind down there, that they had to make like a 10" incision to remove someone's appendix. Like walking decades into the past.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
No, our hospitals R funded by the gvt, but are privately run.
I'm curious, since U "have the facts", what is the salary for Cdn doctors, and what is the salary for Cdn nurses. You never said. I know for a fact that Cdn GPs/family doctors make 2X what nurses make, and that surgeons/specialists make 4X what nurses make, but I'm interested in UR "numbers".
How long/where did U live in Cda? How often did U use system. My experience w/Amrcn HC was terrible. Overpriced, filthy facilities, etc.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Unlike you, I don't have to go by what I read in some made-up journal. I've lived in both countries, and have used both systems myself. If you haven't, than you're not qualified to comment on ours.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
We don't have "stalinized medicine" in Canada, nor do they in Britain. We have Universal Health Care. That ignorant comment proves you don't know what you're talking about.
I'll go on my own experiences, as well as those of friends and family in the US. Disgusting, third-world type facilities. Long Emergency Room waits (several times longer than I ever waited in Canada), paperwork nightmares, out of pocket expenses
I'm curious though, what countries do U think have strong healthcare systems?
thechriscorr 2 years ago
I'm not sure what "govt docs" you're talking about. We don't have "govt docs" in Canada. Our drs either have private practices, or work for hospitals, which R privately run. Our avg family dr/general practitioner was making $99,300 AFTER EXPENSES 10 years ago. They make roughly twice as much as nurses. I even gave my source.
If U want anyone to believe you (you didn't even supply any figures), you must give your source so we can do a search to verify. U cant just throw out facts with a source.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
For pete's sakes people... This topic isn't about which is better, it was just about how happy I am that I am Canadian and received probably over a million dollars' worth of treatment from AMAZING doctors. If anyone from the US thinks it's BS, go to GF Strong in Van and you'll see the level of care people get. This has nothing to do with bashing the American health care system. I'm proud to be Canadian no matter who I talk to!
codeegirl 2 years ago
One thing that really worries me is that the Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus epidemic disproportionately affects the poor, the people who will least be able to pay for treatment of the mushrooming incidences of T2DM. Because of the terrible complications that can result from this illness, I fully expect the streets of the cities of the USA to be reminiscent of Elizabethan London with all the languishing sick and incapacitated people.
venuspluto67 2 years ago
I articulated myself plenty clearly. And I actually provided my sources. Youtube won't allow links, but I gave the names of the publications so you can find them using Google yourself literally in seconds.
If you really did get your "facts" from the CMA, give me a search string so I can use Google and read them myself. You also never stated any actual figures. I gave figures from the OMA, RN Magazine, and confirmed them with an active nurse. I think she knows what they make a little more than U
thechriscorr 2 years ago
That's a lie. No 1 even mentioned the Amrcn HC system until U bashed the Cdn one.
BTW, I spoke with my nurse friend (we're going out for drinks tonite). Turns out nurses in Canada make about 1/2 what family doctors/GPs make, and about 1/4 what specialists like surgeons make.
She actually laughed + asked me who this idiot was who said that nurses make as much as drs. Like me, she said she wanted a link to an online source. Of course you haven't and won't provide one, cuz it's a lie.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Canadian doctors DO make a six figure salary. After all expenses, they were averaging $99,300 TEN YEARS AGO. And that's just family doctors and general practitioners. Specialists and surgeons make over $200,000 per year.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
codeegirl, please delete this idiot "coverchenko"'s comments, and ban him from commenting here further. He only came here to bash our healthcare system, and did so without provocation.
He's never lived in Canada, and never used our system. He hasn't even given an online link or source name (so we can google it) to any of his "facts". I already proved that "Canadian doctors make the same as nurses" to be lies through references to the Ontario Medical Association's own numbers.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
October 2005:
"Police break up fake ID ring in Toronto"
"...yielded hundreds of false debit and credit cards in various stages of completion as well as passports, drivers' licenses, health cards and citizenship cards"
"Copies of their health cards, credit cards and bank cards sell on the black market for up to $600 each."
"Some of those false documents end up in the United States. Last year an American man using a fake health card was caught by police at a Windsor, Ontario hospital. "
thechriscorr 2 years ago
I didn't say ANYTHING about your system until you started talking trash about my system. Read the thread from the beginning. That is, if you are capable. You are a product of the American educational system after all.
You started this, not me. I didn't even make my first post in this thread until AFTER you had badmouthed our system.
Now go visit my favorite American doctor of all for people like you - Dr. Kevorkian.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
There are THOUSANDS of Americans that come up here for healthcare every year. I've spoken to this with friends who work at clinics personally. There have been busts of counterfeit ID rings that have been charging $600 per card. And unlike you, I'm going to provide an online source to this story, just like I did to the wages:
Google "Police break up fake ID ring in Toronto October 2005"
I've lived in both countries and have used both systems. You haven't, and are lying.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
I have always received prompt care too. My doctor treats me like a patient too. I don't have millions of dollars or am connected through any political ties either. I'm an average Canadian citizen.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
I didn't "talk trash" about your system you stupid brain dead, monkey-fucking idiot.
I didn't even mention UR system until U made several derogatory cmmnts about ours. Nor would I have.
We don't have "crappy death care". Cmprd to UR system, ours is superior. I know someone who had surgery for brain cancer, and is receiving chemo now. Superb service, no waits, no complaints. U have no such experience with our system, so STFU
Still waiting for those wage links. They were lies and you know it
thechriscorr 2 years ago
You have to post a link to this "fact" that Drs. in Canada make the same wage as a nurse. Just because you read it somewhere doesn't make it true.
I gave numbers straight from the Ontario Medical Association and Registered Nursing Magazine: Drs. were making $99,300 (after expenses) in 1999. Nurses are making $64,000 as of 2009.
I also know several nurses personally. They DO NOT make anywhere near what doctors here make. I'm sure they wish they did, but they don't.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Americans come here to Ontario for healthcare by the thousands. Legally our system doesn't cover them, but they buy counterfeit health cards so they can use our system.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Your system has a lot of problems too - far more than ours. I've lived in both countries, I'm speaking from experience. So don't badmouth ours until you get your own house in order.
Our system doesn't concern you anyways. So I don't see why you're even posting here to begin with.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
From the Ottawa Citizen, Oct. 29, 2002:
"Family doctors and general practitioners in 1999-2000 ... average net earnings after expenses is $99,300, the OMA reports."
That was 10 years ago. It's probably about $120,000 per year now.
From Registered Nursing Magazine (2009 survey):
"workers (nurses) saw their annual base pay grow by 13 percent to $64,018"
Family doctors were making $100,000/year in 1999, nurses are only making $64,000/year in 2009. Whoever your source is, is lying.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
But just to see if you're telling the truth, I'm going to be seeing one of my nurse friends tonight. I'll ask her if she makes as much as the Drs. make.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
As for personal experience, I've always received PROMPT, first-rate care. So have all my friends, relative, and co-workers. I know someone who recently had surgery for brain cancer. There were no delays, nor was there any "substandard death care."
If you have no experience on Canada's healthcare system, don't badmouth it. You can't just automatically believe what the American media and politicians tell you. It's mostly lies.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
"It is a fact that Drs in Cda avg the same wage as a nurse."
No, that's a lie, not a fact. Cdn Drs. make FAR more than nurses. Cdn specialists routinely make over $200k/yr, as I already stated.
Give a link to these facts. I have several nurse friends, they make less than half what the Drs. in the same hospital make. I know from 1st-hand experience you are lying. Nurses make well under $100,000 per year. Doctors make well over $100,000 per year.
I doubt you even know any Cdn. Drs. or nurses.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Specialists in Canada, like neurosurgeons and heart surgeons typically make over $200,000 per year. I don't know where your getting your "facts" (that they aren't paid well) from, but someone is lying to you.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
I think all this debate about Canadian vs American health care is entertaining, as I was saying how happy I am with the care I got. Yes, if you go in for a sore foot you'll wait for five hours, but if you have a real problem, they get you in right away. I have had a LOT of experience, and I am very happy with our system. We need more doctors and nurses of course, because the ones we have are overworked, but they do a very good job for what they have to work with.
codeegirl 2 years ago
@codeegirl:
Been watching the debate from my side of the pond, UK.
Interesting that the American cite Canadian and British systems as inferior and that we are going to have Soviet tanks in our streets.
The part about becoming a Nazi state was funny. Euthanasia for old people and for disabled like Stephen Hawking.
We're supposed to be socialist, communist and Nazis(don't remember anyone using the word Fascist) rolled into one...sheesh.
Great Video.
Ciao,
Obi
mad8london247 2 years ago
Well I am not really sure why all these Americans post on these topics, it really doesn't concern you, may instead of poking your noses into other countries affairs all the time, you might want to fix things within your own borders for a change. The vast Majority of Canadians want our system. And it is not even close to what is being proposed down there.
steveaustin71 2 years ago
Because they're idiots. They want to feel better about themselves be convincing themselves that they are better than us. No one here made a single negative comment about their system until this idiot badmouthed ours.
And you're right. It doesn't concern them. They have no reason to post here whatsoever.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
How about this. Fine, food and healthcare should not be a right. If that is the case neither is free speach or gun ownership as with out food or healthcare you will have no rights as you will be DEAD.
Your a fucking idiot. Do the world a favour and lube up your gun and stick it so far up your ass you can taste the barrel.
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
You seem to think doctors make very little money here. Fact is they all make 6 figure incomes and support staff does pretty fine too as they are unionized in Ontario. The thing you need to realize is I do believe that the government has the right to regulate and in fact control this industry. If not we would end up with crazy doctor bill for minor procedures like you people.doctors in the US should refer to their hippocratic oath. To heal people, not just the people that have money.
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
So you get your info from the very people who are afraid they wont be able to charge crazy prices for their servicecs? Why dont you just let a Catholic priest write a paper on evolution and take that as unbiased fact?
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
LOL I had circulatory issues due to varicose veins and was on the operating table in less than a month....and i was not critical. Cut off both her legs even the healthy one for fun. I dont suppose you can prove this lie can you? This is where we differ and i think you are a pig....healthcare is RIGHT and not a PRIVILAGE. It is nice to hear that you have taken the discriminatory attitude of your adopted home though. Keep telling yourself the unfortunate are all lazy, it is easy to believe a lie.
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
TC, coverchenko will keep telling him/herself that the unfortunate are lazy until he needs health care and cannot afford it. ignorance of facts causes hate and fear and coverchenko epitomizes those traits! it is a scandal that the U.S. does not have health care for everyone and the conservatives are threatened because they value money more than people!! great comments TC, bravo!
SkyLightDancer 2 years ago
I just dont get it man. I mean, all people that are unemployed are not lazy. Many right now are victims of this economic crunch that is the fault of the people who wanted deregulation and private industry to run the show. All i hear are lies like this guy spews. Lottery for a doctor? Cut off somebodies health leg? This guy must think we practice Voodoo or something. I guess the thing that binds all of us Canadians together really is the right not the privalige to recieve healthcare.
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
Hi TorontoCanuck. I don't get it either. Many unemployed people are ill or have fallen on very difficult times but it always seems to be extremes for those who oppose health care in the states. hard worker-lazy. atheist-fundamentalist pro-con WTF?
Well, the lies are running rampant now and the propaganda shown in conservative U.S. ads are a joke. You know that idiot from T. who says she has a tumour? Not only did she NOT have cancer, she had a minor cyst and she has done this BS twice before!
SkyLightDancer 2 years ago
investigation is NOT regulation as it is reactive rather than proactive. The Govt is investigating why people got ridiculous house loans AFTER all of this has happened. Regulation means that, like in Canada, a bank is not allowed to loan you money without at least 5% down. Not doesn't choose to but is not allowed. This has not been done to your healthcare system which is why it is fucked. Anybody can punish a criminal but it takes character to prevent the crime from happening inthe first place.
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
The fact is every time you people are asked to help each other you scorn the idea and use absolutely useless and unfounded reasons. Like lazy. Everybody without a job must be lazy. Just ask the autoworkers that have been laid off. They had jobs their whole lives, then the economy tanked and they are the ones responsible. Next try to convince me its the unions fault, considering they make about the same as non unionized workers in that sector. Maybe the US makes shitty cars that guzzle gas?
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
Reagan was great? I take it you must be white and at least middle class to say that. Now as far as you doing things well as long as companies are private....all of these companies getting bailouts were private, so was Enron and Worldcom. So that being said because of deregulation and greed they all fucked you over to increase the profit margin. Tell me your health insurance companies dont do this either.
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
Very balanced. Very well thought out...... nothing is perfect but when EVERYONE has healthcare in the fullest sense, it far outshines the struggles here in the US. People are funny that way ..... it's not really a problem until THEY LOSE their healthcare or are denied. Lots of opinions against universal care, but little real understanding of it. Because of course IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU! It is someone else's problem. How selfish. Hope when sickness comes for you, someone has your back.
Trinitytoo 2 years ago
You again! Alright heres the deal. You have videos of Reagan on your page so im gonna say this. Reagen believed in as litte government as possible. Then along came GW Bush and he expanded government more than any other president in the history of the United States. And you bitch about Obama? Also, i like your statement about the DMV. I guess that means nothing America ever does is done well. Including helping your own people. Seems like the only thing you are good at is lying and killing. ;)
TorontoCanuck1978 2 years ago
Would you want to deal with being a paraplegic (sp?) under the USA's healthcare system? Healthcare here in the USA is, if you're a wage-earning person with no isurance, don't get sick or injured or else you're deeply, deeply FUCKED. But here in the USA, we hate our poor people bitterly, so nothing will ever change.
venuspluto67 2 years ago
You are right. Now you need to tell this to some of your brainwashed (or are they braindead) countrymen/women, like coverchenko.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Nothing will probably change in the USA until we kick out the South. We should have let them secede when we had the chance! "Oh, I'm a blue-state Yankee, that's just what I am, and to the Southern nation, I give the back of my hand..."
venuspluto67 2 years ago
Thanks sister! I wonder if they would have paid for my ileostomy bags that I needed?
After I had my Cancer removed from my colon I had an ileostomy and ran out of bags. My order wasn't at my house. So I had to poop in a sandwich baggy. But our insurance woulnd't cover 1 bag for me. So I called the hospital and they gave me 2 bags to hold me over but billed me for it on my credit...
The USgovernment should cover my my doc visits if I pay insurance!
NonMasonOrder 2 years ago
I'm a quad and spent 8 months in the hospital. When I left I had a $200 ambulance bill (that was also covered in the end). I've used both the Canadian and US healthcare systems and I'd rather the Canadian one any day. I didn't have to worry about loosing my house and being in debt when I got out the the hospital like so many of the people I know from the US did.
Yes we might have to wait awhile for some tests etc. but if you really need them you get them without the long wait.
WildkatPublishing 2 years ago
I've also used both systems (I lived in the US for 2 years), and would also take the Canadian one any day. I'm not just talking from my own experience though. I've had friends who have spent time living in the US (one still does - Austin, Texas), and all of them have had terrible things to say about their system.
One even moved back to Canada when he got married because he told me he would never raise a child under the American system. How's that for a ringing endorsement? LOL.
thechriscorr 2 years ago
Not true for most of America, manster645, people die in American ER's- watch the news!
zDurden21 2 years ago
If you're taken to the ER in America they'd treat you right away too. So what's her point? She wouldn't have paid anything here either.
manster645 2 years ago
She wouldnt have paid anything if she had insurance actually. Her INSURANCE company however would be paying WAY more for the same service that was done in Canada.
DJCatylist 2 years ago
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective on the Canadian healthcare system :). I have been looking for people who will share their experiences with it, as I wish they would do something like this in the U.S.
FYI--we have to wait for at least two or three hours in the ER, too *LOL*
Luv4Learning 2 years ago