some synchronised action here.. would not call it following though, I can see a lot of physical efforts put into blocking and it is hard to say how much deflecting there is going on actually; i have only practised Taiji (yang and chen) for about ten years now but i can definitely see Ivan using a lot of physical strength and speed instead of yielding and deflecting; very different approach...
@bailattelo Actually i take it back. Its not coreographed. Rather, they have learned certain responses and they help each other to execute them cleanly.They have learned to synch. It will be worthless as soon as they meet someone that does not follow their synchronized system.
Nice drill, but it has definitely nothing to do with taijiquan. Their hips doesn't make even a tiny movement, punches are blocked with force instead of leading sideway or else, etc. I don't know what style is it, but their handwork is quite good. :)
This aint Taiji, if it is, than I studied the last 6 years for nothing. Everything is straight line, no circular water concepts of taiji seen here, this is empty energyless fighting, no gathering power, just straight pow bang pow bang crap. I dont see any master skills and no master that possesses mastery skill, I'm not trying to pop stuff but theres no master and no taiji, sorry I didn't name the video.
@abujannahrasheed Going by your words you have only studied Taijiquan for the last 6 years so you are still a beginner in Taijiquan. You are not qualified to judge wether this is Taijiquan or not because you are inexperienced. Your ego leads you to pass judgement on that about which you have limited knowledge. You are not alone. We all are guilty of the same thing. Round your edges, blunt your sharpness, seek stillness, be humble as the dust.
@jasma98 Look, I am not trying to go back and forth with people on youtube via computer messages. I have been studying chinese Gung Fu since I was a boy, If you would like to pass words of wisdom and you're a believer in those type of comments than you will believe the fact and truth that not all humans are created equal and some excel faster than others, I have seen students of 3 years surpass students of 10 years in every single aspect internal and external.
@jasma98 I don't care how cute anyone's taiji looks ascetically, if you cant display that stillness your stating that i should observe and release a volcanic eruption of energy then return to stillness, than you in fact don't understand the genuine holiness of standing still in majesty. But then again according to you I'm merely speaking out of ignorance and inexperience, so what do I know? Dust is as humble as nature orders it to be. And again, this is not taiji
@abujannahrasheed If you want to and are able to issue Chi, the emptiness and explosion, they must not be left out. Where there is conscious thought, there is no Qi!
@abujannahrasheed Thank you for the opportunity to share thoughts with you. I understand what you are saying and respect your opinion. I hope we can all learn to understand the ancient teaching passed down by the prime masters regarding ego and knowledge of the true self. All the best to you.
@abujannahrasheed The fact of the matter is that we are all created equal. If we think differently then we have an inflated sense of self importance which is linked to the ego. It is the ego which keeps us away from knowing our true self. Once we let go of the ego we become one with our true nature and feel at one with others. We no longer feel the need to criticise others or argue any points- because we are one. "when it moves it separates. In stillness it reunites".
@jasma98 I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Not all people are created equal, if people don't recognize tha, than how can they truly know their limits, abilities, strengths, and weaknesses? I myself have not been born with much aptitude towards martial arts, but since I recognize this, I can then apply the effort and self-discipline that I need to further myself, spiritually, mentally, and physically. If you truly believe everyone is created equally, then you can't recognize that.
@therealdriftcore Actually, you don't have to disagree. You have a choice & you choose to disagree, there is a difference. You can choose to believe you are great & born equal to all men or choose to believe you are born with less potential, less strength & more weakness than your fellow man. It's up to you. Whatever you believe will become your reality. We are all conditioned by our parents, schools & society to believe what you have stated. Free your mind & be great. Best wishes.
I practice bjj and train in mma but i have much respect for kung fu. Alot of people say that it doesnt work but its all about how u apply the techniques
Street fighters or boxers wouldn't have a chance against these guys... They look soft in this video because they're sparring, but in a real life situation they would be a lot more assertive and forceful and would fuck people up!!
In most styles there is so much cooperation. Ultimately this is a failing. Nobody truly knows if these historic styles are effective in all their techniques because theory and cooperation have blurred the martial aspect. It looks wonderful but can this work against all comers against any human being or are people practicing weak and unrealistic techniques. Aikido is the same. Heck even in Wing Chun practitioners are breaking their hands all the time by punching too hard with their weak knuckles
This looks like a fabulous way to learn defense! I've never seen this before. I've done shotokan and the problem with their sparring is that you can't learn defense.
The strikes happen too fast for you to do anything but hit or get hit. And combat is never sustained. Most karatekas cannot block a variety of incoming block shots while staying in contact with an opponent.
Then what have we learned about karate? That it doesn't work! (unless you're a tough bastard willing to trade shots). And this will not work either. You'd be trading a highly stylized Japanese style for a highly stylized Chinese style. And you'd still wind up getting your ass kicked in a real fight.
Not to say these guys aren't sincere and athletic and probably very authentic. It just doesn't work in the real world
I believe this method (in the video) would work extremely well for understanding how a man in front of you throws kicks and punches. Have you ever sparred? When I did, I could barely see anything. Why? Because of the risk of being hit hard. In many martial arts that's as far as combat training goes.
I talked to a boxing coach and my eyes opened. Good boxers watch and anticipate specific shots. They don't have to step back, of range to defend them. They can pivot slightly. Step left or right, block, duck and be in contact to deliver a reply shot. No way can you learn that at full speed.
HOWEVER, that's actually thinking about combat situations in slow drills, not just dancing through the moves of an ancient ritual form as these 2 might possibly be.
@1EmergingCenter All the Chinese styles I train are highly stylised and have similar drills to this one. They work very well on the street if you know how to apply them. My teacher's grandfather was a master of shaolin and an officer in the Chinese army. His group defeated the Japanese in a pivotal urban battle in 1937. He used his skills on the battle field to good effect. Passed those skills down to his grandson who passed them to me. I've used them on the streets and, trust me, they work.
@jasma98 the fact that they work means the user is well practiced! people who say these techniques dont work on the streets either dont study them at all or if they do they are not good enough at them to use them in battle!
@jasma98 Ive always done MMA, and it's all I know. I respect all martial arts, but I've always wondered how effective these types of martial arts are. Now I just stick to what armies are trained with.
@LazyBoyee65 In my opinion, if you're not a natural fighter then traditional martial arts will teach you the right way to move your body & get your mind around the idea of delivering strikes & help you understand what to do when strikes are travelling toward you. If you're a natural fighter then trad ma can restrict your natural flow in some cases. If you're an out and out beast then mma is the way forward because it takes you direct to the meat and bones of fighting. Just my opinion.
@jasma98 Yeah, I see what you mean. I mean anybody can fight anyway in any street fight. Fighting is so tangible and abstract, you can't really categorize it. But in terms of practicality, monks and people who traditionally train in kung fu should probably know some type of grappling and or ground fighting. Despite knowing a martial art, you still gotta be a complete fighter, so learning JUST muay thai and or kung fu, or judo and or wrestling isnt enough. IDK, Ill always wonder. Thanks though.
@LazyBoyee65 You're welcome. People in general seem to think that kung fu has no grappling or ground work. All good traditional chinese martial arts should contain the 4 main combat styles or techniques known as tui, da, shuai, na. If my sifu repeated these once he repeated them a thousand times. TUI fa = kick method. san DA=punches and combinations. SHUAI jiao=throws/take downs. chin NA=grappling/joint locks. It's been interesting chatting to you. All the best.
@LazyBoyee65 Armies are learning just the bare applications of traditional martial art's, but not the mechanic and energy knowledges. They take app's but apply bruit force to make them work, focusing on speed, muscle strength and traditional concept of direct damage. The concept of finishing a fight in 1-3 movements is the true "martial" ability of the "art" which really teaches you everything about a response and proper reaction to a b c and d. look into rougher japanese like judo or aikido
@abujannahrasheed Well, okay, maybe not armies, but at least the special forces of the world. I THINK they include techniques from literally every martial art out there into their hand-to-hand combat training. But yea, for basic army, they're learning pretty simple foundational stuff, now that you mention it. I will always wonder which martial arts are practical and effective, but I've decided to drop it and just stick to what I know, and what special forces know. Thanks for your insight though.
@LazyBoyee65 Sorry, think I didnt explain clear enough. The art of martial arts is 2 develop internal powers 2 B able 2 express more might than just what the muscle has to offer. Just 1 blow of the palm has about 5 different ways u can apply that blows energy, And I am not a young kid with no experience, I come from a certain life style and have trained with many enlisted men & woman to know what the reality of what I share with u, Otherwise I'd be like every other novelist idiot on youtube lol!
@LazyBoyee65 I don't expect people 2 understand what I mean in that statement cause its only a knowledge you can truly grasp if you have experienced it 1st hand & learned how 2 deliver it. It's similar to a region of the world, you cant truly grasp the culture and the nostalgic of the land from watching the discovery channel. That is just one aspect of the art part I had mentioned in difference to the millitary guy who is "just learning the application" originating from the martial art
This is not taiji, it is some sort of external kungfu. This is not sparring, it is a two man set. The Yang family certainly did teach a two man set, but this ain't it. There is free sparring in the internal arts, but I know of no one actively teaching it on earth (though there are plenty who will take your money and do some kind of taiji-karate with you!).
I don't think it is choreographed or rehearsed. You should be able to apply your art in this manner if you had really worked the hours in your practice. I am quite sure between the 2 of them they know whose better without inflicting fatal physical harm on each other.
@MrNewpants martial arts are not reheard. what they are doing is reheard. They are not sparring, sparring is just like fighting just they aren't actually trying to hurt each other. In this all their moves they have predetermined. Its like a crappy hollywood movie.
@Hitochiisai I see you don't have a lot of experience with actual martial arts, or I might have misread you due to bad spelling. anyway, I don't see any predetermined 'moves' in this video, just kata and counter. and that's sparring. they do that in boxing too mate, hook, block, straight right, dodge. repeat. if you film it, this is what happens. how can you spar any art where the purpose is not to bruise but to utterly defeat otherwise? you can't break a training partners neck, leg or arm.
@Hitochiisai I can safely say this due to my experience in muay thai, hapkido and bujinkan budo taijutsu. all valid forms of sparring but due to the 'sport' nature of muay thai compared to more traditional arts you can't do the basic boxing type training. same applies to kung fu, many katas end up with you hitting the opponents neck, how do you spar that? you don't want to kill your partner. it's still called sparring, don't let the mma generation fool you.
@MrNewpants Sorry for the bad spelling and grammar I never did have good spelling or grammar. And I do have some back ground in martial arts I have back ground in Jeet Kune Doh. This looks completely rehearsed because they aren't trying to hit each other at all. They are going very slow and it looks like they have choreographed it.
@Hitochiisai ah, I've also practiced JKD. ^^ you might be interested to know that the base of jeet kune do movement is actually in a dance called flamenco (I know it's hard to believe but such is life). you know how people practice flamenco? indeed, choreography. but yes, I do see your point here, now mine was; you have to understand that people have different meanings for the word 'sparring'.
Can all those who actually do Kung fu please like because it seems to me most of you just enjoy feeling superiors. These drills were developed hundreds of years ago to improve reflexes and reactions and you people disgrace them with your annoying and ignorant comments.
It always amazes me at how many people miss the "Art" part of Martial Arts and then spend their time leaving negative comments when they come across it.
WOW! Is it that hard to see that they are not fighting? They are training , doing a drill, working on flowing or transitioning from one technical aspect or something. Will all the people that do not train or put in any work on themselves please stop commenting.
@GhostNY100 Because it's the only video where some one looks like they know what they are doing in terms of actual fighting and all the lame-ass 'sifu's out there are getting mad jealous some one isn't doing silly slaps versus s tatues.
looks like a good workout. You should never check a kick with your hands however, as a fake will leave your head wide open. Lower kicks can mostly be checked with the shin or upper leg.
This is rehearsed probably to further embody the motions to be used. Adding power into these moves would change the dance so I imagine it is a trained series that they have practiced to spar like this. They are not trying to trick each other or hit each other. There is no follow through. The stance is Taiji but the thing about applying Tai chi to fighting is that you don't stay in the postures that the form teaches to a T. Like any form you improvise in a fight from that foundation.
@johnnyfisalive yes. if you look at the chinese yin-yang symbol, this is what represents the art of kung fu/tai chi, one side is the internal art (tai chi/pa kua) and the other side is Kung fu, this is what it means to be balanced.
Thanks for posting, but i have to be honest, this appears alot more like Shaolin 2 man form than Taijiquan. cannot see any of the taiji basic principles being applied. No disrespect intended.
1. There are two kinds of sparring in gongfu: formal and free. This is obviously formal sparring.
2. No two people's gongfu is exactly alike, not even teacher and student. This is why we have styles. This form is similar to the Yang style two-man form (known by some as large sanshou, it is not in the Yang family Taijiquan, as they don't teach a two-man form) which my lineage practices. I can see the 13 postures all over this form.
Take it or leave it. Either way, expand your minds.
@camilyon2 exactly! for once i can see someone knows some actual kung fu, not just claiming they know it because they have fast hands or something equally unimpressive. kung fu has almost become a dirty word, because too many of those who claim to be masters, dont know Tai Chi from Shaolin!
Whatever this isw, it has noting to do with any Taichi I have seen here, or in China. There is a short and long San Sau set in Yang lu chan's system, As Erle Montaigue has said repeatedly, Tai Chi NEVER backs up! And its fighting is done a very close range. Also so there are no just back and forth movements in a straight line. Tai Chi's stepping in a fight or 2 man practice is the use of angles. So, I dont't know what this is, but it is NOT Tai Chi!
@yangxiaojia1 Just got home from Tai Chi class (Chen style Laojia) -- we back up into White Crane Spreads Wings. It's hard to make sweeping generalizations about something that encompasses everything and be correct.
I like it reminds me of my old friend from china showing me moves. An punch n me saying Block I wld block one but stop he would then say again block r you get punch. I would get punched often then one day I just punched back and he blocked n punched back den kicked. I said that was nt what you said we would do he said why not. you blocked my punch best to kick now u r not rdy not block punch then kick. When I finished after a few years it looked like a dance. but wen he fhts thn dnt see it com n
@TheIGPD WTF??! Internal martial arts are all about "aliveness"! You cant get aliveness from practicing a routine like this -very significant issue in IMA circles! And of course, the title said sparring, which this aint! Misleading advertizing, which should be pointed out!
When both people practice together enough all movements become a routine. Under stress those techniques that have perfected structure will still function while movements not tested by stress will fail. I have witnessed plenty of people injuring themselves by striking me and it is usually the people proclaiming, any idiot can strike. It is usually the easiest to do thing going to fail because of belief in it not being able to fail.
This is not choreography, nor is it a dance. This is sparring in the finest traditions of gung fu, not sparring in the western sense of the word. What you see here is the quest to understand and explore a specific concept of motion. Without both parties being well versed in thier style there would be significant risk of injury, which would prove and accomplish nothing. What you are looking for is the showy display of will and dominace, which is easy and doesnt require discipline.
looks like they are preparing to be in a hong kong movie... a little choreographed, or at least robotic in their responses and lack of spontaneity. Also, pulling their kicks/punches..
@jdub7771 My thoughts as well. I really see no form of Tai Chi in this 2 man sparring set, too much spinning around, and looks very simular to Tong Bei with long fist moves. I like what they are doing, but I do feel it is mislabeled. I am no expert, but my Tai Chi sparring deals with application drills and Push Hands, of which neither are present in this vid.
If this is form or not, it fails bad anyway: 0:07 The right opponent has all his weight on his front knee, he already delivered a failed strike. Could've just pulled him from his fist and dropped him on the ground. 0:32 after the slap fight, the right opponent has his right arm up and once again all his weight on his right knee. Kick the knee, twist the upper right arm and kaboom. I'm not through the 32s and already have two massive weak points. Find your balances even in forms.
@TheGreekZombi .....the weight on the right knee is there for a reason he is not off balance and has his center breaking the knee if alot harder then you think it is ive had guys 3 times my size kick my knee in a forward stance and i only get bruises/cuts because its damn near impossible to break the knee (the body has to move first and by the time that happens the knee is out of danger)
@hellwolf882 You'd be surprised how easy the knee is smashed. My uncle who used to practise American kenpo at his younger age actually dislocated his knee, causing muscle injury, during a fun spar. He couldn't put any weight on the knee ever since.
@TheGreekZombi Lol as ive said ive had guys stomp/kick my knee guys several times my size its all about how the stance is and his stance was just fine even a round kick will only cause the leg/knee to move harmlessly
@hellwolf882 Ok, and what if I say I used a kenpo-style against a guy 3 times my size who had a great posture to and all it took was a slap in the eyes and a push with my foot to the knee to get it dislocated for him? It's actually true, though. I got into a huge mess once with a bouncer trying to get his hands on me. And, your statements still haven't proven mine wrong. By moving his knee with a round kick, you can get him on the floor. His steps were therefore, false.
@TheGreekZombi The knee is vulnerable. However there are ways to protect it. An initial rear weighted stance is better than a forward stance, for starters.. The beginner should be taught to protect this most vital joint at all times, and an asshole who deliberately or because of neglect or incompetence dislocates the knee of his partner during friendly sparring, should be locked up permanently! Period!
@piaten Sparring( which, this looks more like a form ) is supposed to teach the practisioner to keep his eyes open and protect his body as a whole. If you do stuff with the intent that your partner doesn't hit you, doesn't make you any better. Example: If I keep my legs wide open during a spar and only block everything else, I am basically taunting my opponent. My point being: He should either keep his knees more under control or this isn't a spar, it's more like taunting.
@TheGreekZombi Yeah! I'm only saying there's a difference btwn hitting your training partner, and crippling him for life! Let him see and feel you're hitting him, but save the breaking of bones for the street (only if you have to, of course)!
@piaten your opponent doesn't feel the impact of his actions/mistakes until they do him some damage. I'm saying, at a zen temple in japan, monks get slapped very hard with a stick when they make mistakes, if they manage to enter the Zazen manner faster and more sufficiently, they won't be hurt or feel the hit from the stick. This means, the student should never get too cocky.
this look choreographed.... but none the less still looks cool
asqwert2121 12 hours ago
sooo cool!!
inchhh 19 hours ago
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jasma98 22 hours ago
DULL AND BORING
mickydub3 1 day ago
有些部分 在4：12之後 是損毀的 可惜了
It's very unfortunately, the movice is bad in 4：12 poart.
thanks your shareing
kemerlin2 1 day ago
.... la mari mari mar para ver lo que se podia ver y ver y ver y lo unico que pude ver y ver... juego de manos de chicos de primaria jaja
mg22817 2 days ago
some synchronised action here.. would not call it following though, I can see a lot of physical efforts put into blocking and it is hard to say how much deflecting there is going on actually; i have only practised Taiji (yang and chen) for about ten years now but i can definitely see Ivan using a lot of physical strength and speed instead of yielding and deflecting; very different approach...
davidmarcksuk 2 days ago
Gay!
s1mQn 2 days ago
FAKE! ITs not sparring. Its choreography.
bailattelo 2 days ago
@bailattelo Actually i take it back. Its not coreographed. Rather, they have learned certain responses and they help each other to execute them cleanly.They have learned to synch. It will be worthless as soon as they meet someone that does not follow their synchronized system.
bailattelo 2 days ago
They planned it
mackdady52197 3 days ago
They doing a dance.
spareaxe 3 days ago
Nice drill, but it has definitely nothing to do with taijiquan. Their hips doesn't make even a tiny movement, punches are blocked with force instead of leading sideway or else, etc. I don't know what style is it, but their handwork is quite good. :)
kenadra13 5 days ago
This aint tai chi tai chi is about using your own force to there force
916darkprince123 6 days ago
sparring??? nice joke...
marekmaxpabianice 6 days ago
they dont have kicks???????????
paulobarriga22 6 days ago
kinda looks like xing yi
bigglue69 1 week ago
This aint Taiji, if it is, than I studied the last 6 years for nothing. Everything is straight line, no circular water concepts of taiji seen here, this is empty energyless fighting, no gathering power, just straight pow bang pow bang crap. I dont see any master skills and no master that possesses mastery skill, I'm not trying to pop stuff but theres no master and no taiji, sorry I didn't name the video.
abujannahrasheed 1 week ago
@abujannahrasheed Going by your words you have only studied Taijiquan for the last 6 years so you are still a beginner in Taijiquan. You are not qualified to judge wether this is Taijiquan or not because you are inexperienced. Your ego leads you to pass judgement on that about which you have limited knowledge. You are not alone. We all are guilty of the same thing. Round your edges, blunt your sharpness, seek stillness, be humble as the dust.
jasma98 5 days ago
@jasma98 Look, I am not trying to go back and forth with people on youtube via computer messages. I have been studying chinese Gung Fu since I was a boy, If you would like to pass words of wisdom and you're a believer in those type of comments than you will believe the fact and truth that not all humans are created equal and some excel faster than others, I have seen students of 3 years surpass students of 10 years in every single aspect internal and external.
abujannahrasheed 5 days ago
@jasma98 I don't care how cute anyone's taiji looks ascetically, if you cant display that stillness your stating that i should observe and release a volcanic eruption of energy then return to stillness, than you in fact don't understand the genuine holiness of standing still in majesty. But then again according to you I'm merely speaking out of ignorance and inexperience, so what do I know? Dust is as humble as nature orders it to be. And again, this is not taiji
abujannahrasheed 5 days ago
@abujannahrasheed If you want to and are able to issue Chi, the emptiness and explosion, they must not be left out. Where there is conscious thought, there is no Qi!
yangxiaojia1 5 days ago
@abujannahrasheed Thank you for the opportunity to share thoughts with you. I understand what you are saying and respect your opinion. I hope we can all learn to understand the ancient teaching passed down by the prime masters regarding ego and knowledge of the true self. All the best to you.
jasma98 5 days ago
@abujannahrasheed The fact of the matter is that we are all created equal. If we think differently then we have an inflated sense of self importance which is linked to the ego. It is the ego which keeps us away from knowing our true self. Once we let go of the ego we become one with our true nature and feel at one with others. We no longer feel the need to criticise others or argue any points- because we are one. "when it moves it separates. In stillness it reunites".
jasma98 5 days ago
@jasma98 I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Not all people are created equal, if people don't recognize tha, than how can they truly know their limits, abilities, strengths, and weaknesses? I myself have not been born with much aptitude towards martial arts, but since I recognize this, I can then apply the effort and self-discipline that I need to further myself, spiritually, mentally, and physically. If you truly believe everyone is created equally, then you can't recognize that.
therealdriftcore 23 hours ago
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@therealdriftcore Actually, you don't have to disagree. You have a choice & you choose to disagree, there is a difference. You can choose to believe you are great & born equal to all men or choose to believe you are born with less potential, less strength & more weakness than your fellow man. It's up to you. Whatever you believe will become your reality. We are all conditioned by our parents, schools & society to believe what you have stated. Free your mind & be great. Best wishes.
jasma98 22 hours ago
we used to play like that as kids , we did not call it sparring. In muay thai right now , we do sparring. This looks pointless for both of them
IOPzK 1 week ago
I practice bjj and train in mma but i have much respect for kung fu. Alot of people say that it doesnt work but its all about how u apply the techniques
nickdr777 1 week ago 3
Street fighters or boxers wouldn't have a chance against these guys... They look soft in this video because they're sparring, but in a real life situation they would be a lot more assertive and forceful and would fuck people up!!
klappa11 1 week ago
This isnt sparring, its dancing... 1 minute of my life i wont get back
skatking83 1 week ago
Ma quale sparring, queste sono le solite coreografie delle arti marziali
Smscorpion85 1 week ago
In most styles there is so much cooperation. Ultimately this is a failing. Nobody truly knows if these historic styles are effective in all their techniques because theory and cooperation have blurred the martial aspect. It looks wonderful but can this work against all comers against any human being or are people practicing weak and unrealistic techniques. Aikido is the same. Heck even in Wing Chun practitioners are breaking their hands all the time by punching too hard with their weak knuckles
pimpleburger 1 week ago
I have a video of Tai Chi Chuan vs Aikido,
I play it to help me go to sleep.
1mooster1 1 week ago
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MrTenten20 1 week ago
this looks weird? why are none of them actually hitting
BlindlyZack 1 week ago
This looks like a fabulous way to learn defense! I've never seen this before. I've done shotokan and the problem with their sparring is that you can't learn defense.
The strikes happen too fast for you to do anything but hit or get hit. And combat is never sustained. Most karatekas cannot block a variety of incoming block shots while staying in contact with an opponent.
superAweber 1 week ago
@superAweber
Then what have we learned about karate? That it doesn't work! (unless you're a tough bastard willing to trade shots). And this will not work either. You'd be trading a highly stylized Japanese style for a highly stylized Chinese style. And you'd still wind up getting your ass kicked in a real fight.
Not to say these guys aren't sincere and athletic and probably very authentic. It just doesn't work in the real world
1EmergingCenter 1 week ago
@1EmergingCenter
I believe this method (in the video) would work extremely well for understanding how a man in front of you throws kicks and punches. Have you ever sparred? When I did, I could barely see anything. Why? Because of the risk of being hit hard. In many martial arts that's as far as combat training goes.
superAweber 1 week ago
@1EmergingCenter
I talked to a boxing coach and my eyes opened. Good boxers watch and anticipate specific shots. They don't have to step back, of range to defend them. They can pivot slightly. Step left or right, block, duck and be in contact to deliver a reply shot. No way can you learn that at full speed.
HOWEVER, that's actually thinking about combat situations in slow drills, not just dancing through the moves of an ancient ritual form as these 2 might possibly be.
superAweber 1 week ago
@1EmergingCenter All the Chinese styles I train are highly stylised and have similar drills to this one. They work very well on the street if you know how to apply them. My teacher's grandfather was a master of shaolin and an officer in the Chinese army. His group defeated the Japanese in a pivotal urban battle in 1937. He used his skills on the battle field to good effect. Passed those skills down to his grandson who passed them to me. I've used them on the streets and, trust me, they work.
jasma98 1 week ago
@jasma98 the fact that they work means the user is well practiced! people who say these techniques dont work on the streets either dont study them at all or if they do they are not good enough at them to use them in battle!
puffpuffpass87 1 week ago
@jasma98 Ive always done MMA, and it's all I know. I respect all martial arts, but I've always wondered how effective these types of martial arts are. Now I just stick to what armies are trained with.
LazyBoyee65 1 week ago
@LazyBoyee65 In my opinion, if you're not a natural fighter then traditional martial arts will teach you the right way to move your body & get your mind around the idea of delivering strikes & help you understand what to do when strikes are travelling toward you. If you're a natural fighter then trad ma can restrict your natural flow in some cases. If you're an out and out beast then mma is the way forward because it takes you direct to the meat and bones of fighting. Just my opinion.
jasma98 1 week ago
@jasma98 Yeah, I see what you mean. I mean anybody can fight anyway in any street fight. Fighting is so tangible and abstract, you can't really categorize it. But in terms of practicality, monks and people who traditionally train in kung fu should probably know some type of grappling and or ground fighting. Despite knowing a martial art, you still gotta be a complete fighter, so learning JUST muay thai and or kung fu, or judo and or wrestling isnt enough. IDK, Ill always wonder. Thanks though.
LazyBoyee65 6 days ago
@LazyBoyee65 You're welcome. People in general seem to think that kung fu has no grappling or ground work. All good traditional chinese martial arts should contain the 4 main combat styles or techniques known as tui, da, shuai, na. If my sifu repeated these once he repeated them a thousand times. TUI fa = kick method. san DA=punches and combinations. SHUAI jiao=throws/take downs. chin NA=grappling/joint locks. It's been interesting chatting to you. All the best.
jasma98 5 days ago
@LazyBoyee65 Armies are learning just the bare applications of traditional martial art's, but not the mechanic and energy knowledges. They take app's but apply bruit force to make them work, focusing on speed, muscle strength and traditional concept of direct damage. The concept of finishing a fight in 1-3 movements is the true "martial" ability of the "art" which really teaches you everything about a response and proper reaction to a b c and d. look into rougher japanese like judo or aikido
abujannahrasheed 1 week ago
@abujannahrasheed Well, okay, maybe not armies, but at least the special forces of the world. I THINK they include techniques from literally every martial art out there into their hand-to-hand combat training. But yea, for basic army, they're learning pretty simple foundational stuff, now that you mention it. I will always wonder which martial arts are practical and effective, but I've decided to drop it and just stick to what I know, and what special forces know. Thanks for your insight though.
LazyBoyee65 6 days ago
@LazyBoyee65 Sorry, think I didnt explain clear enough. The art of martial arts is 2 develop internal powers 2 B able 2 express more might than just what the muscle has to offer. Just 1 blow of the palm has about 5 different ways u can apply that blows energy, And I am not a young kid with no experience, I come from a certain life style and have trained with many enlisted men & woman to know what the reality of what I share with u, Otherwise I'd be like every other novelist idiot on youtube lol!
abujannahrasheed 6 days ago
@LazyBoyee65 I don't expect people 2 understand what I mean in that statement cause its only a knowledge you can truly grasp if you have experienced it 1st hand & learned how 2 deliver it. It's similar to a region of the world, you cant truly grasp the culture and the nostalgic of the land from watching the discovery channel. That is just one aspect of the art part I had mentioned in difference to the millitary guy who is "just learning the application" originating from the martial art
abujannahrasheed 6 days ago
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This is not taiji, it is some sort of external kungfu. This is not sparring, it is a two man set. The Yang family certainly did teach a two man set, but this ain't it. There is free sparring in the internal arts, but I know of no one actively teaching it on earth (though there are plenty who will take your money and do some kind of taiji-karate with you!).
linyonglan 2 weeks ago
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linyonglan 2 weeks ago
This is a very useful drill. I see a lot of merit in this. It looks challenging and fun.
It works structural mechanics, conditioning, speed, control, focus, timing, sensitivity, responsiveness and technique. Thank you for sharing.
zenrisu 2 weeks ago
this is really a two-man set, not sparring.
MrHarryjhoffman 2 weeks ago
This is a sparring practice, not a death match.
I don't think it is choreographed or rehearsed. You should be able to apply your art in this manner if you had really worked the hours in your practice. I am quite sure between the 2 of them they know whose better without inflicting fatal physical harm on each other.
joshccs 2 weeks ago
This is rehearsed.
Hitochiisai 2 weeks ago
@Hitochiisai everything about martial arts is rehearsed, that's pretty much the point of kata isn't it now? they are sparring, not fighting.
MrNewpants 2 weeks ago
@MrNewpants martial arts are not reheard. what they are doing is reheard. They are not sparring, sparring is just like fighting just they aren't actually trying to hurt each other. In this all their moves they have predetermined. Its like a crappy hollywood movie.
Hitochiisai 2 weeks ago
@Hitochiisai I see you don't have a lot of experience with actual martial arts, or I might have misread you due to bad spelling. anyway, I don't see any predetermined 'moves' in this video, just kata and counter. and that's sparring. they do that in boxing too mate, hook, block, straight right, dodge. repeat. if you film it, this is what happens. how can you spar any art where the purpose is not to bruise but to utterly defeat otherwise? you can't break a training partners neck, leg or arm.
MrNewpants 2 weeks ago
@Hitochiisai I can safely say this due to my experience in muay thai, hapkido and bujinkan budo taijutsu. all valid forms of sparring but due to the 'sport' nature of muay thai compared to more traditional arts you can't do the basic boxing type training. same applies to kung fu, many katas end up with you hitting the opponents neck, how do you spar that? you don't want to kill your partner. it's still called sparring, don't let the mma generation fool you.
MrNewpants 2 weeks ago
@MrNewpants Sorry for the bad spelling and grammar I never did have good spelling or grammar. And I do have some back ground in martial arts I have back ground in Jeet Kune Doh. This looks completely rehearsed because they aren't trying to hit each other at all. They are going very slow and it looks like they have choreographed it.
Hitochiisai 2 weeks ago
@Hitochiisai ah, I've also practiced JKD. ^^ you might be interested to know that the base of jeet kune do movement is actually in a dance called flamenco (I know it's hard to believe but such is life). you know how people practice flamenco? indeed, choreography. but yes, I do see your point here, now mine was; you have to understand that people have different meanings for the word 'sparring'.
MrNewpants 1 week ago
Can all those who actually do Kung fu please like because it seems to me most of you just enjoy feeling superiors. These drills were developed hundreds of years ago to improve reflexes and reactions and you people disgrace them with your annoying and ignorant comments.
Nikolas100o10oao 2 weeks ago 2
that's no sparring, that's playing pussy cat
rayopaltaman 2 weeks ago
It always amazes me at how many people miss the "Art" part of Martial Arts and then spend their time leaving negative comments when they come across it.
ArtistRags 2 weeks ago
myeah, someone should use a dictionary and look up the meaning of sparring.
this is a drill to improve muscle memory and reflexes...sparring is light contact free fighting
TenTonTommy777 3 weeks ago
WOW! Is it that hard to see that they are not fighting? They are training , doing a drill, working on flowing or transitioning from one technical aspect or something. Will all the people that do not train or put in any work on themselves please stop commenting.
jwcarrollinmd 3 weeks ago
This would be totally useful if every fight was choreographed.
homersimps1 3 weeks ago 2
Guns more easier than this shit in fight
5Stark 3 weeks ago
@5Stark sometimes nothing easy in life is worth doing
malevolenceXXXensues 2 weeks ago
This is cool but all it takes is for a person who knows BJJ or Judo to take him down and finish him.
lvXxACHILLESxXvl 3 weeks ago
useless
andrew4429 3 weeks ago
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO, i thought they were doing a secret handshake=)
Vex7Black 3 weeks ago 36
@Vex7Black you remind me of that cat from puss in boots the animation.
very funny though
Theninja80291 3 days ago
slowly!
POSITIVEFUCKER 3 weeks ago
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paulovedyta1 3 weeks ago
Thanks great video!
Jamesuni 4 weeks ago
不是太极！好玩！
yogasamrat 4 weeks ago
不是太极！好玩！
yogasamrat 4 weeks ago
why is this video getting so many haters
GhostNY100 4 weeks ago
@GhostNY100 Because it's the only video where some one looks like they know what they are doing in terms of actual fighting and all the lame-ass 'sifu's out there are getting mad jealous some one isn't doing silly slaps versus s tatues.
TheOriginalEntz 3 weeks ago
they are opposing the force not deflecting it, it doesn't look like tai chi chuan.
marketanarchist2011 1 month ago 8
This is rehersesd form
BoarsofWar 1 month ago
looks like a good workout. You should never check a kick with your hands however, as a fake will leave your head wide open. Lower kicks can mostly be checked with the shin or upper leg.
MaLongTaiji 1 month ago
@MaLongTaiji Or as you should do...counter and hit before your opponent can.
cmdrdredd 1 month ago
Looks like a two man form. c:
TehNavySeal 1 month ago
Parece tango...
viniboeckel 1 month ago
i like this dance
PaNoWnAgE 1 month ago
wow its Bruce Lee vs Chuck Norris xD need popcorn now
PoesieWriter 1 month ago
This is rehearsed probably to further embody the motions to be used. Adding power into these moves would change the dance so I imagine it is a trained series that they have practiced to spar like this. They are not trying to trick each other or hit each other. There is no follow through. The stance is Taiji but the thing about applying Tai chi to fighting is that you don't stay in the postures that the form teaches to a T. Like any form you improvise in a fight from that foundation.
rowansart 1 month ago
These 2 stupid asses try to touch their opponent ass or something???
Really stupid action~!
Hhahahaha~!
(0_0) Hhaahah~!
alien0513 1 month ago
can someone tell me what is the point of this? is it training or are they fighting each other? looks coriographed to me
dannyrambo1 1 month ago
is tai chi like kung fu?
johnnyfisalive 1 month ago
@johnnyfisalive yes. if you look at the chinese yin-yang symbol, this is what represents the art of kung fu/tai chi, one side is the internal art (tai chi/pa kua) and the other side is Kung fu, this is what it means to be balanced.
MusicisMYlife210 1 month ago
Thanks for posting, but i have to be honest, this appears alot more like Shaolin 2 man form than Taijiquan. cannot see any of the taiji basic principles being applied. No disrespect intended.
ukguy 1 month ago
@ukguy Agreed, and there is a lot of pre-emption here too. I'd say they could benefit from slowing down.
jacksawild 1 month ago
homos
BrainOrgy 1 month ago
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BranRudy 1 month ago
jejem!"""" linda coreografia!""""" i love las artes marciales!""""
max79323 1 month ago
Did you really need that shit written across the screen for the entire clip???
corvette174 1 month ago
they probably took a shower together after this.
shubroto81 1 month ago
@shubroto81 I get a vibe you're just jealous you can't take a shower with them
BranRudy 1 month ago
Очень интересно. НО система рассчитана для поражения противника или эффектного соприкосновения с блоком противника???? О_о
GoldSphinks 1 month ago
Is this a sparring match or a fucking dance off!
Jsmash88808 1 month ago
Looks awesome!
kraks11 1 month ago
Two points:
1. There are two kinds of sparring in gongfu: formal and free. This is obviously formal sparring.
2. No two people's gongfu is exactly alike, not even teacher and student. This is why we have styles. This form is similar to the Yang style two-man form (known by some as large sanshou, it is not in the Yang family Taijiquan, as they don't teach a two-man form) which my lineage practices. I can see the 13 postures all over this form.
Take it or leave it. Either way, expand your minds.
camilyon2 1 month ago 37
@camilyon2 lmao
training is training
and
sparring is sparring
training is developing skills
sparring is expressing those skills
put it as flowery as you like kid
YoungCrs 1 month ago
ya esta que defenderas una patada con esa manito..
artes123able 1 month ago
@camilyon2 exactly! for once i can see someone knows some actual kung fu, not just claiming they know it because they have fast hands or something equally unimpressive. kung fu has almost become a dirty word, because too many of those who claim to be masters, dont know Tai Chi from Shaolin!
puffpuffpass87 1 week ago
Do that with my mate TYSON arghh
AlamBarzakh99 1 month ago
Whatever this isw, it has noting to do with any Taichi I have seen here, or in China. There is a short and long San Sau set in Yang lu chan's system, As Erle Montaigue has said repeatedly, Tai Chi NEVER backs up! And its fighting is done a very close range. Also so there are no just back and forth movements in a straight line. Tai Chi's stepping in a fight or 2 man practice is the use of angles. So, I dont't know what this is, but it is NOT Tai Chi!
yangxiaojia1 1 month ago
@yangxiaojia1 Just got home from Tai Chi class (Chen style Laojia) -- we back up into White Crane Spreads Wings. It's hard to make sweeping generalizations about something that encompasses everything and be correct.
squeeisme9268918 1 month ago
@yangxiaojia1
I'm real curious how you do Repulse Monkey without backing up.
I imagine, rather different than the ways I've seen so far.
DaoFerret 1 month ago
thats choreographed.
Very far from sparing.
gambleyourhealth 1 month ago
I like it reminds me of my old friend from china showing me moves. An punch n me saying Block I wld block one but stop he would then say again block r you get punch. I would get punched often then one day I just punched back and he blocked n punched back den kicked. I said that was nt what you said we would do he said why not. you blocked my punch best to kick now u r not rdy not block punch then kick. When I finished after a few years it looked like a dance. but wen he fhts thn dnt see it com n
tillmantkdkick 1 month ago
punch him in the face i think that works
streetdreamz210 1 month ago
Nicely done but why not more kicks?
scasey1960 1 month ago
who cares if its routine or not
TheIGPD 1 month ago
@TheIGPD WTF??! Internal martial arts are all about "aliveness"! You cant get aliveness from practicing a routine like this -very significant issue in IMA circles! And of course, the title said sparring, which this aint! Misleading advertizing, which should be pointed out!
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten aww poor baby.. why you so worked up? to each their own right
personally i still enjoyed watching the video and still learned from it despite that it was not exactly what i was expecting
TheIGPD 1 month ago
@TheIGPD So now you're down to name-calling.. That's mature.. Glad you enjoyed the vid. Now go play with someone else!
piaten 1 month ago
looks similar to an shen pao hence it is "staged" and not free
RedRafiki 1 month ago
When both people practice together enough all movements become a routine. Under stress those techniques that have perfected structure will still function while movements not tested by stress will fail. I have witnessed plenty of people injuring themselves by striking me and it is usually the people proclaiming, any idiot can strike. It is usually the easiest to do thing going to fail because of belief in it not being able to fail.
brentpieczynski 1 month ago
not sparing for a winner but sparring for form practice, i am a student... could not do these perfect forms so quick XD
momonekufox 1 month ago
This is not choreography, nor is it a dance. This is sparring in the finest traditions of gung fu, not sparring in the western sense of the word. What you see here is the quest to understand and explore a specific concept of motion. Without both parties being well versed in thier style there would be significant risk of injury, which would prove and accomplish nothing. What you are looking for is the showy display of will and dominace, which is easy and doesnt require discipline.
Jam23ification 1 month ago
this is some acient choreography or some wired dance i guess
knrkln 1 month ago
How many ffp is this?
1kevin09 1 month ago
lol
chrisgrinhard 1 month ago
r u kidding me
guardali1 1 month ago
Every one comenting on what they see wrong is gay... Enough with ur what ifs and you could do this and that.. Shut the hell up and watch the vid
angelloakira 1 month ago
@angelloakira I agree, so "SHUT THE HELL UP AND WATCH THE VID"!!!
jdub7771 1 month ago
I avidly practice tai chi and none of this looks like a tai chi form or anything else from tai chi, except for the cresent kicks
couldronofcats 1 month ago
looks like they are preparing to be in a hong kong movie... a little choreographed, or at least robotic in their responses and lack of spontaneity. Also, pulling their kicks/punches..
zogacara 1 month ago
nice form, similar to something my school is doing
danijels89 1 month ago
why do they even block? not even one punch would hit
TheSUBGAMER 1 month ago
Ok what Taiji style is this two man set from? I don't know about Taiji, but it sure looks like Tong Bei, or some sort of Long Fist set.
jdub7771 1 month ago
@jdub7771 My thoughts as well. I really see no form of Tai Chi in this 2 man sparring set, too much spinning around, and looks very simular to Tong Bei with long fist moves. I like what they are doing, but I do feel it is mislabeled. I am no expert, but my Tai Chi sparring deals with application drills and Push Hands, of which neither are present in this vid.
SijoJay 1 month ago 4
@SijoJay Look like Yin Yi Quan, see this
chairuou 1 month ago
sorry, but i can't see any master here :)))
razvanp911 1 month ago
If this is form or not, it fails bad anyway: 0:07 The right opponent has all his weight on his front knee, he already delivered a failed strike. Could've just pulled him from his fist and dropped him on the ground. 0:32 after the slap fight, the right opponent has his right arm up and once again all his weight on his right knee. Kick the knee, twist the upper right arm and kaboom. I'm not through the 32s and already have two massive weak points. Find your balances even in forms.
TheGreekZombi 1 month ago
@TheGreekZombi .....the weight on the right knee is there for a reason he is not off balance and has his center breaking the knee if alot harder then you think it is ive had guys 3 times my size kick my knee in a forward stance and i only get bruises/cuts because its damn near impossible to break the knee (the body has to move first and by the time that happens the knee is out of danger)
hellwolf882 1 month ago
@hellwolf882 You'd be surprised how easy the knee is smashed. My uncle who used to practise American kenpo at his younger age actually dislocated his knee, causing muscle injury, during a fun spar. He couldn't put any weight on the knee ever since.
TheGreekZombi 1 month ago
@TheGreekZombi Lol as ive said ive had guys stomp/kick my knee guys several times my size its all about how the stance is and his stance was just fine even a round kick will only cause the leg/knee to move harmlessly
hellwolf882 1 month ago
@hellwolf882 Ok, and what if I say I used a kenpo-style against a guy 3 times my size who had a great posture to and all it took was a slap in the eyes and a push with my foot to the knee to get it dislocated for him? It's actually true, though. I got into a huge mess once with a bouncer trying to get his hands on me. And, your statements still haven't proven mine wrong. By moving his knee with a round kick, you can get him on the floor. His steps were therefore, false.
TheGreekZombi 1 month ago
@TheGreekZombi The knee is vulnerable. However there are ways to protect it. An initial rear weighted stance is better than a forward stance, for starters.. The beginner should be taught to protect this most vital joint at all times, and an asshole who deliberately or because of neglect or incompetence dislocates the knee of his partner during friendly sparring, should be locked up permanently! Period!
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten Sparring( which, this looks more like a form ) is supposed to teach the practisioner to keep his eyes open and protect his body as a whole. If you do stuff with the intent that your partner doesn't hit you, doesn't make you any better. Example: If I keep my legs wide open during a spar and only block everything else, I am basically taunting my opponent. My point being: He should either keep his knees more under control or this isn't a spar, it's more like taunting.
TheGreekZombi 1 month ago
@TheGreekZombi Yeah! I'm only saying there's a difference btwn hitting your training partner, and crippling him for life! Let him see and feel you're hitting him, but save the breaking of bones for the street (only if you have to, of course)!
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten your opponent doesn't feel the impact of his actions/mistakes until they do him some damage. I'm saying, at a zen temple in japan, monks get slapped very hard with a stick when they make mistakes, if they manage to enter the Zazen manner faster and more sufficiently, they won't be hurt or feel the hit from the stick. This means, the student should never get too cocky.
TheGreekZombi 1 month ago
Finish him!!!
tlapower 1 month ago
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lamtaichi 1 month ago
I remember when I learned my first partner set.
123UncleRuckus 2 months ago
This is not sparring
WildRonin 2 months ago
*sees no intention behind hits* "Guys, I don't think this is spa--" *sees same repetition of a single line of movement* "Oh, nope."
improv113 2 months ago
not sparring.
Donkyfishy 2 months ago
Its really nice and they do have skills... but they don't make it look any more internal then boxing :s
dafuki 2 months ago
This is really good!!! Even it's clear it's not real fighting but a two person training form, skills are clearly demonstrated. Well done.
senbee01 2 months ago
Where's the circles? Where's the Dantien? Where's when one part moves all parts move?
Where's Yin and Yang? Soft and hard. Slow and fast. Taiji is derived from yin/yang principle.
Please title your vid appropriately!
dellarias001 2 months ago
@dellarias001
Tai chi chuan is just a training method to develop the boxing. this is another method.
sheanaynay8 1 month ago
This is excellent but compare with free-form flow at attackproofDOTcom
mattkovsky 2 months ago
Please change the name of video...This is a kata/form not sparring...
giominosse 2 months ago
this is just a quick practice of form/style/routine.
joylaval 2 months ago
long fist
wenwu 2 months ago
westerners are so slow .......
fringedlunatic613 2 months ago
rehearsed
hatingtherich 2 months ago
Not Taiji, not sparring, why name the videoa this way ?
Bamgraphiste 2 months ago
they are sparring if thy get hit thy can damage there orgons because tai chi
acizo1000 2 months ago
@acizo1000 can you speak proper english ? Noone understands you man...
Bamgraphiste 2 months ago
@Bamgraphiste sorry i didnt feel like writing
acizo1000 2 months ago
Wow, such harmony!
HeavensNight4492 2 months ago
It looks very cool, nicely done.
Moodo1 2 months ago
Very impressive choreography but nothing like taijiquan. What ever, it's cool to watch.
spacoverman 2 months ago